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BNP Leader Invited to MSU by 'Conservative' Students

Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 4:15:20 pm PDT

In the boneheaded move of the year, conservative student group Young Americans for Freedom invited British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin, a flat-out racist and Holocaust denier, to speak about the dangers of Islam at Michigan State University: Protesters shout down anti-Islam speaker at MSU.

It’s not clear from the article whether this was part of Islamofascism Awareness Week or not, but if it was, the Young Americans for Freedom have just handed the enemy a huge gift on a platter, tied up with a lovely white supremacist bow.

EAST LANSING - When British Nationalist Nick Griffin took the podium at a Friday night Michigan State University event, he tried to explain how Islam is a threat to Western civilization.

Protesters wouldn’t have it.

Hurling obscenities and using chants to interrupt his address, rambunctious student organizations forced Griffin to abandon his speech and allow an informal question and answer session.

What followed was an unstructured banter between the speaker and a crowd of roughly 75 protesters. While many attempted to ask Griffin legitimate questions, others shouted obscenities.

“We have all come from different backgrounds,” said Authra Khreis, 17, a pre-med student and a protester. “We should accept one another. I don’t think he should be allowed to speak. You can use free speech until you hurt another person.”

Griffin was invited to campus by a conservative student organization called Young Americans for Freedom, or YAF.

Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate. Bristow said he doesn’t believe in many of the ideas Griffin has preached, particularly his alleged denial of the Holocaust, but does agree that the Islamic faith is a threat to America.

If this was another case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” it couldn’t possibly be more misguided. From the statement by Kyle Bristow, it’s clear that the YAF (not related to Jason Mattera’s group, the Young America’s Foundation) knew exactly who Griffin was when they invited him.

The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 5:47:36 pm:

LGF readers have been digging, and so have I, and I was being naive in thinking the YAF at Michigan State would renounce Nick Griffin and the BNP. They know exactly what he believes, and what the BNP stands for, and invited him for that reason.

And surprise! They’re also big supporters of the only man who can save America, Ron Paul.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 6:20:32 pm:

Kyle Bristow.com.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 7:56:18 pm:

Did you know that LGF is a “pro-Muslim, left-wing blog?”

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1 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:17:02pm

Completely agree.

You don't have to become evil to defeat evil, no matter what Hollywood's take on that is.

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:17:33pm

If I want to align myself with racists and anti-Semites, I may as well submit.

3 Dublin(CA)Dude  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:18:05pm

As a college member of YAF many years ago, I couldn't agree more. Thank you Charles for exposing this cancer to sunlight.

4 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:18:22pm
Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

You should listen to him, Kyle.

5 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:18:46pm

Talk about a self inflicted wound...

6 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:19:20pm

Never Submit...never give in to racist either.

7 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:20:30pm
The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

What you said.

8 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:20:51pm

website

[Link: www.kylebristow.com...]

9 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:21:51pm

Gosh

he looks just like Little Winger

10 Dead Sea Squirrel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:22:37pm

What shall it profit a man, if he should gain the whole world, but lose his own soul?

I believe a Jew said that.

11 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:23:12pm

re: #8 mama winger

website

[Link: www.kylebristow.com...]

I wonder if it's suffering an avalanche. I can't get it to load.

12 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:24:11pm

If a man gives up everything he believes in just to survive...what good is life?....Our troops are fighting for us...because they understand that.

13 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:24:16pm

re: #11 MandyManners

yah - maybe so

14 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:25:38pm

re: #11 MandyManners

It shows him with Newt Gingrich, Tom Tancredo, and some other apparently well-known conservatives.

He looks very young.

15 Dead Sea Squirrel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:26:18pm

re: #14 mama winger

mama, what was the word with your friend's seven-year-old?

16 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:26:59pm

Gah, the YAF leader has a picture with that pugnacious bastard Nick Griffin! And he doesn't have a contact form.

17 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:27:21pm

re: #15 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #14 mama winger

mama, what was the word with your friend's seven-year-old?

Oh - GOOD NEWS!

No cancer - just an inflammation of the lymph glands!

Thanks for all your prayers and good thoughts guys! JP is doing well!

:)

18 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:28:15pm

re: #13 mama winger

I finally got through.

19 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:28:15pm

Kyle looks like one of the good guys, is he just being naive, or does he know about the connection?

20 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:28:46pm

re: #16 marwan's daughter

Gah, the YAF leader has a picture with that pugnacious bastard Nick Griffin! And he doesn't have a contact form.

Yes, he does. You must click on his Resume button.

21 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:28:58pm

re: #19 Thanos

He knew.

22 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:29:35pm

re: #19 Thanos

Kyle looks like one of the good guys, is he just being naive, or does he know about the connection?

Nevermind:

Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate. Bristow said he doesn’t believe in many of the ideas Griffin has preached, particularly his alleged denial of the Holocaust, but does agree that the Islamic faith is a threat to America.

Sounds just like the bs that Columbia said about inviting Achmadinejad.

23 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:30:16pm

re: #19 Thanos

Kyle looks like one of the good guys, is he just being naive, or does he know about the connection?

If he didn't, he needs a good butt-chewing for not researching Griffin. If he did, he needs to be taken out to the woodshed for a lesson.

24 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:30:21pm

Also pictured with him David Horowitz

lots of big names if you scroll down

also looks like Michigan state officials

This kid gets around

25 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:30:57pm

re: #23 MandyManners

Send him over to my house - I'll thrash him good, then beat him in a game of Trivial Pursuit.

26 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:31:29pm

re: #24 mama winger

Also pictured with him David Horowitz

lots of big names if you scroll down

also looks like Michigan state officials

This kid gets around

That sucks...oh man.

27 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:31:41pm

I can't get over how much he looks like my kid. Amazing.

28 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:33:07pm

re: #26 storagemanager

Ever make any bad decisions when you were 21, storage?

29 ted  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:33:21pm

"Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate."

Yea right...Wasn't that the same reason used by Columbia to invite another racist, anti-semite holocaust denier?

30 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:33:41pm

The Twilight Zone...nothing is what it seems.....so...the Logic is....join a hater...to stop a hater......no thanks.

31 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:34:09pm

re: #24 mama winger

Also pictured with him David Horowitz

lots of big names if you scroll down

also looks like Michigan state officials

This kid gets around

I'm about to call him a pompous prick.

32 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:34:09pm

Kyle Bristow chairman of the YAF,

You are flat nuts. Nuts. I hope anyone associated with you lets you know this is NOT ok.

33 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:35:09pm

re: #32 Highrise

Click on his resume if you want to send him an e-mail. I'm debating whether to send one.

34 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:35:15pm

re: #12 storagemanager

If a man gives up everything he believes in just to survive...what good is life?

In a public relations battle imperative to the existence of Western Civilization- what good is it to align with those on the moral low ground? And how can we expect our enemies to not point it out?

35 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:35:18pm

re: #28 mama winger

re: #26 storagemanager

Ever make any bad decisions when you were 21, storage?

his alleged denial of the Holocaust

Not like that one.

36 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:35:34pm

Charles,

I completely agree with you. I warned about Nick Griffin a few times this week (1, 2, 3, 4).

Although I do think it is important to note that the protesters (many leftists, and Islamists) acted terribly themselves. (1, 2). Besides disrupting, and threatening, a bunch of them chased a few student YAF members after the presentation, trying to beat them up.

Nobody came out looking good here.

I should also note that the MSU student Republicans had distanced themselves from YAF a while ago.

37 psaturn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:35:40pm

I agree Charles!

Disavow any racists or anti semites otherwise your movement will suffer guilt by association...it is just inevitable...

38 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:35:43pm

re: #22 Thanos


Sounds just like the bs that Columbia said about inviting Achmadinejad.


EXACTLY! Same BS.

39 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:36:26pm

re: #35 storagemanager

Bristow denied the Holocaust?

I didn't see that.

40 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:36:44pm

re: #33 MandyManners


That thought crossed my mind. I just may tonight. And I want to point him specifically to a few threads here to enlighten him on what his associations can do to his cause.

41 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:38:09pm

The MSU YAF website links to the Spartan Spectator, their weblog. You can get an idea of their brand of conservatism by reading who they link to. Lots of Pat Buchanan in the recommended reading list. Oh and a link to the Ron Paul for President website.

42 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:38:43pm

re: #39 mama winger

re: #35 storagemanager

Bristow denied the Holocaust?

I didn't see that.

Charles has a post about it in the previous thread.

43 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:38:52pm

re: #28 mama winger
A hero in my house....

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Simon Wiesenthal, the Holocaust survivor who helped track down Nazi war criminals following World War II and spent the later decades of his life fighting anti-Semitism and prejudice, died Tuesday. He was 96
44 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:38:59pm

re: #41 Mich-again

The MSU YAF website links to the Spartan Spectator, their weblog. You can get an idea of their brand of conservatism by reading who they link to. Lots of Pat Buchanan in the recommended reading list. Oh and a link to the Ron Paul for President website.

On second thought Mandy, I think my email to them would fall on deaf ears.

Nuts.

45 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:39:05pm

Some of the protesters at this event included the nasty anti-America/anti-Israel group Anti-Racist Action. Here is their article threatening the speaker even before the event took place.

46 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:40:08pm

re: #42 MandyManners

I thought the post was about Nick Griffin.

47 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:40:37pm

re: #41 Mich-again

The MSU YAF website links to the Spartan Spectator, their weblog. You can get an idea of their brand of conservatism by reading who they link to. Lots of Pat Buchanan in the recommended reading list. Oh and a link to the Ron Paul for President website.

Oh, for fuck's sake. No wonder the school's GOP branch has distanced itself from YAF, as noted by insanity police in No. 36.

48 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:41:09pm

re: #46 storagemanager

re: #42 MandyManners

I thought the post was about Nick Griffin.

It was about this topic.

49 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:41:14pm

Note to YAF:

There are plenty of people without baggage who will tell you that islamism is a threat.

Charles Johnson for example.

50 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:41:22pm

re: #42 MandyManners

re: #39 mama winger

re: #35 storagemanager

Bristow denied the Holocaust?

I didn't see that.

Charles has a post about it in the previous thread.

I knew that the speaker Nick Griffin had denied the Holocaust. I didn't see that the YAF guy Bristow had.

On a previous thread ? I'll go look .......

51 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:41:51pm

Muslim sympathizers shouting down a holocaust denier at a US campus.

The world has gone Topsy Turvy

52 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:41:56pm

re: #41 Mich-again

The MSU YAF website links to the Spartan Spectator, their weblog. You can get an idea of their brand of conservatism by reading who they link to. Lots of Pat Buchanan in the recommended reading list. Oh and a link to the Ron Paul for President website.

I wonder how many Paulians they have.

53 storagemanager  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:42:12pm

I need dinner..good night folks....stay safe.

54 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:42:21pm

re: #43 storagemanager

His reward from the Creator will be great.

55 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:42:57pm

re: #50 mama winger

OH NONONONONO! BRISTOW DIDN'T. I'M SORRY. I SCREWED UP. MY APOLOGIES.

56 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:43:10pm

Anti-Racist Blog actually quoted Charles in relation to the Nick Griffin/YAF controversy during the past week:

Mr. Griffin may oppose Islamic extremism, which fuels a great deal of Jew hatred around the world, but Anti-Racist Blog will not lower its moral standards by supporting him, or YAF in this instance. A wise blogger once said, "...I do not accept that we’ve reached the point where we should embrace these kinds of people as allies, simply because they’re hitching a ride on the bandwagon and saying the right things when the spotlight is on them."

57 hayseed  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:43:29pm

this is England...a movie trailer. It really says a lot

WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE

58 RobCon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:43:41pm

What the hell was YAF thinking for Christsake!

59 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:43:47pm

It is most unfortunate that our young people do not trust their capability to defeat totalitarianism.

We should remind them that if we become like those who seek to destroy us then we weaken ourselves.

God bless you Charles for pointing out the errors that these youngsters are making. I believe that we must take them under our wings and teach them about the real nature of our struggle is to maintain a society that is tolerant of dissenting ideas. We should also let them know that the preservation of individual freedom and liberty is the central idea in the American experiment that involved rule by the consent of the governed.

I hope that they will not be attracted to the idea of expedient allies who will destroy all we believe in the pursuit of a victory over other intolerants who advocate murder, racism and the denial of basic rights to a whole group of people as a means of achieving power.

60 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:43:49pm

re: #46 storagemanager

re: #42 MandyManners

I thought the post was about Nick Griffin.

It was about YAF and Griffin, same as this thread.

61 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:44:23pm

Man, I feel like a total jerk.

62 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:45:11pm

re: #51 Mich-again

Muslim sympathizers shouting down a holocaust denier at a US campus.

The world has gone Topsy Turvy

It was because Nick Griffin openly condemns Islam and Islamic extremism that many Muslims attended. Most cared little about his anti-semitism. However, the fact that Griffin is an anti-semite provided cover for at least some protesters (like Anti-Racist Action) to say: look we fight anti-semities, so it's ok that we condemn zionism.

63 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:45:45pm

re: #61 MandyManners

LOL!


No problem!

(wondered why I couldn't find it )

:)

64 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:46:03pm

The YAF have handed ammo to their left wing and Islamist enemies.

65 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:46:25pm

Giving legitimacy to a Holocaust denier by offering them a platform is never a good idea. What a great gift to your enemies.

66 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:46:51pm

Is there a national org / headquarters? Someone needs to yank this chapters charter.

67 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:47:03pm

re: #59 shanec99

I believe that we must take them under our wings and teach them

Absolutely. Absolutely true.

Anybody here wanna make a beer run over to Michigan with the clue-bat?

68 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:47:03pm

re: #63 mama winger

I'll be kicking my butt tonight for a while.

Gotta' go do the dishes. (I can't wait until The Kid does them. He already sets the table and helps me clear it.) Later!

69 infidel Alan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:47:29pm

The YAF has done good work over the years speaking out against the fascists of the left. Someone in YAF didn't do his homework and now the whole organization gets a black eye. They should apologize immediately. I notice that the protesters don't believe in free speech.

70 stevieray  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:47:48pm

Okay... this is getting confusing. Now there are two YAF's?

Is Young America's Foundation the one that invited Robert Spencer to speak in DC a few months ago... the one who is regularly featured on C-SPAN?

Who is this other YAF? Is it a legitimate organization, or some fly-by-night political hanger-on?

71 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:47:53pm

re: #66 Thanos

Is there a national org / headquarters? Someone needs to yank this chapters charter.

Ditto.

Later.

72 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:48:06pm

Nick Griffin Post-Event Press Release From YAF
For Immediate Release:
October 27, 2007

For More Information:
Kyle Bristow
Chairman,
MSU Young Americans for Freedom

Conservatives Assaulted After Speaker Shouted Down
Conservatives Chased by Violent Protesters with Baseball Bats

East Lansing, Mich. – Nick Griffin, the chairman of the British National Party, did not receive a pleasant welcome during his visit to Michigan State University on Friday. Countered by a mob of extremists, Griffin continually faced loud remarks and booing during his two-hour speech at the university.

After protesters disrupted America’s pledge of allegiance, Griffin constantly dealt with loud accusations of racism, baby killing and hatred. Throughout the event, Griffin was ignored and all questions relating to mass immigration were immediately shouted down and screamed upon. YAF chairman Kyle Bristow stated that he “was amazed at the level of savagery that occurred at a so-called institution of higher learning.” Video footage of the event is available upon request.

Upon exiting the building, YAF members were chased by a mob of extremists carrying baseball bats, canes and sticks. The mob shouted “let’s get them” as the YAF members ran towards safety.

Police reports have been filed and YAF is working with authorities; although the police have been little help in the past; Bristow hopes that Michigan State will stand up for free speech and civility on its campus. “Michigan State needs to defend free speech instead of promoting the hatred and intolerance of the Left. Griffin’s opposition claims to oppose fascism yet it seems that the fascists come from groups such as MEChA, La Raza, LGBT, and Students for Economic Justice. These organizations hate diversity, hate intellectual debate and do not tolerate anyone that does not think like them. YAF will not be intimidated and will continue to oppose left-wing fascism.”

The Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) is a conservative, non-partisan political organization that was founded on September 11, 1960. Former members of YAF include President Ronald Reagan, author Pat Buchanan, Congressmen Tom Tancredo and Dana Rohrabacher, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Dan Quayle, and actor John Wayne.

This is not the first time an event hosted by conservatives was disrupted at MSU. Last year, protesters disrupted a speech by Congressman Tom Tancredo and Minuteman Chris Simcox. Both of these events made national news.

73 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:48:38pm

re: #67 mama winger

What is a clue bat?

74 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:48:45pm

re: #70 stevieray

Who is this other YAF? Is it a legitimate organization, or some fly-by-night political hanger-on?

It's legit. Been around forever. There is a national organization with various state and local chapters I believe.

75 psaturn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:49:01pm

re: #57 hayseed

This is a pretty disturbing trailer...and I watched it without sound....

76 USBeast  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:49:39pm

#61 MandyManners

Man, I feel like a total jerk.

You're lucky, Mandy. There's usually one around.

Me, I feel like another beer.

77 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:50:26pm

re: #73 shanec99

re: #67 mama winger

What is a clue bat?

[Link: www.thebackrow.net...]

:)

78 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:53:40pm

I don't think the YAF has a National Chapter. Their home page hasn't been updated since the death of President Ronald Reagan. Looks like Kyle Bristow is flying solo.

79 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:54:03pm

Checking out to surf the paki papers:

BB's visiting her ancestral home, more beheadings in Swat, New army leader says he will wipe out extremism, earthquake kills one in Gilgit...

80 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:54:17pm

re: #14 mama winger

re: #11 MandyManners

It shows him with Newt Gingrich, Tom Tancredo, and some other apparently well-known conservatives.

He looks very young.

A public figure may get placed in situations where he is grouped with people whose ideology he detests. It is hard to "upset the applecart" and refuse to participate or distance oneself from the other. Sometimes he may not know the person's ideology until later. Most likely the public figure just hopes it will pass without being noticed.

As for the YAF knowingly hosting Nick Griffin, given his reputation, this only gives ammunition to the jihadis and terrorists.

81 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:55:10pm

re: #78 Mich-again

I don't think the YAF has a National Chapter. Their home page hasn't been updated since the death of President Ronald Reagan. Looks like Kyle Bristow is flying solo.

In more ways than one.

Have a good night everyone.

82 mama winger  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:55:12pm

re: #78 Mich-again

I don't think the YAF has a National Chapter. Their home page hasn't been updated since the death of President Ronald Reagan. Looks like Kyle Bristow is flying solo.

That could be a big part of the problem right there - no accountability, no guidance.

83 flawed_skull  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:58:52pm

What a sad week. Another splinter in the Counterjihad alliance. What madness has befallen our comrades to tar themselves and the whole movement with the white supremacist label

84 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:59:15pm

re: #77 mama winger
How do you use it?

85 Dianna  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 4:59:46pm
The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

That pretty much covers it.

86 skippyMoment  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:00:38pm

In the 50's, and even earlier, many good people here aligned themselves with the KKK because they promoted the ideals our nation was founded on, God, family values, and service to country. Hidden behind their rhetoric was the insidious racism against anyone that was not white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.

Many people were lulled into believing they were doing the right thing, until they learned the hard way what they had aligned themselves with. Getting out of the Klan, or speaking against the Klan resulted in crosses burned on lawns, houses fire-bombed, and people lynched or killed by other methods.

We CANNOT allow ourselves to walk down the same path with the new faces of racism no matter what beliefs they may share in common. We become tainted by the association and in this day and age, that only corrupts the vital message.

87 EC Marm  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:02:18pm

Penn State (main campus) had Rick Santorum speak this week for IFAW. This is the first letter to the school newspaper that I've seen:

Many Muslims seemed to favor radical Islam
Before this week, I felt convinced that all Muslims don't sympathize with terrorism. I figured that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, very few actually sympathize and support radical Islam.

Things changed a bit after former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's speech on Tuesday.

Santorum made a point of identifying that within Islam, there is the ideology of Islamo-Facism.


link
/future lizard!

88 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:03:17pm

re: #86 skippyMoment

You got it right bro.

We should never tolerate murderers as allies in a fight against other murderers.

I would stand alone in my fight against 100 murderers, rather than have a murderer watching my back.

89 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:03:45pm

re: #52 MandyManners

re: #41 Mich-again


The MSU YAF website links to the Spartan Spectator, their weblog. You can get an idea of their brand of conservatism by reading who they link to. Lots of Pat Buchanan in the recommended reading list. Oh and a link to the Ron Paul for President website.

I wonder how many Paulians they have.

This YAF group sounds like paleoconservatives - like Pat Buchanan. I don't trust paleos any further than I can throw them. They will get in bed with anyone, far left or kooky neo-Nazis.

90 RobCon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:04:19pm

You can bet that the turds at the BBC will be all over this in Britian and the World Service.

91 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:06:02pm

re: #90 RobCon

But they will never quote our expressions here at LGF that we are opposed to what they did by aligning themselves with that fool.

92 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:08:20pm

One of the important messages to come out of all this is that if we open our ranks to neo-Nazists, racists, and white supremacists the problem is not only that it's evil, but we will lose as a result. The small number of right wing extremists who may be very loud against Islam and really ready to belt out the visceral hatred against Muslims is not worth it. The movement will lose legitimacy in the eyes of great numbers of people whose concern is also decency in this war and chosing reliable, wise allies. As I've said, it's one thing to ally with Stalin while actually fighting world war, and quite another to found a movement to save the culture with him, which brings his ideology and (lack of) morality into the mix.

On another point, we can explain factually how it happens that so many in Europe would might normally be moderates have come to defend white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers in the following way. The looming presence of Islamism and totally insane leftist PC structure in Europe leads a lot of people to seek out new political ways to save their culture, which is thoroughly dominate by leftism, state-run socialist media, leftist newspapers, leftist university programs about how opposing open immigration is 'racism', etc. Now, the far right has hated non-whites and especially Muslims for a very long time. So that puts them in an extraordinary position to say, "You see, we aren't racist at all -- we thing just like you -- and to co-opt a lot of these newcomers into agreeing with their white nationalist views. Hence, this is the effect of the terrible compromise: people finding themselves defending diabolical positions (e.g. 'a pure white ideology is not so bad') not because that is the core of their values, teaching, and life's thought, but because of the allegiance they have struck with a party they believe is their only hope for survival. I hope we all take a minute to reflect on the desperation contained in the decision to join the white nationalist party -- and to also reflect on the darkly ironic tragedy that it's not going to work because a movement that so lacks decency and righteousness will fail to gain support of the center of the nation.

93 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:08:57pm

OT:

ISLAMABAD: Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto says she will never surrender to militants.

“What I really need to ask myself is: do I give up, do I let the militants determine the agenda?” the Pakistan People’s Party chairwoman said in an interview with a foreign radio station.

“I’ve been having a party meeting and, believe me, the spirit amongst the party is one that I’m so proud of because they say we can’t let the militants dictate to us what’s going to happen, and that we have to try and save Pakistan by saving democracy. So my supporters are ready.”

She said there could be more attacks to come, but she and her party were determined to contest parliamentary elections in January. She said she had been warned that she would be targeted by four militant groups before returning to Pakistan after eight years in self-imposed exile.

Benazir said she was lucky to be alive following the two attacks on her homecoming rally on October 18 in Karachi. She said armed militants had targeted her and that she was saved by the bravery of her bodyguards.

The PPP chairwoman said she was at constant risk of another attack in the future, particularly during the election campaign.She said President Pervez Musharraf, had phoned her shortly after the October 18 attack and that she was not blaming the government for what had happened.

Karachi blasts: “I don’t believe the state or the government was involved in the attack on me,” she said.“But I do believe that sympathisers of militants had managed to infiltrate some of our agencies and some of our administrative apparatus in a new guise and that they abused their positions to give covert support to the militants, which is why controlling militancy has really not succeeded within the country.”

94 MattMacD  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:09:23pm

re: #87 EC Marm

Penn State (main campus) had Rick Santorum speak this week for IFAW. This is the first letter to the school newspaper that I've seen:


Many Muslims seemed to favor radical Islam
Before this week, I felt convinced that all Muslims don't sympathize with terrorism. I figured that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, very few actually sympathize and support radical Islam. Things changed a bit after former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's speech on Tuesday.

Santorum made a point of identifying that within Islam, there is the ideology of Islamo-Facism.


link
/future lizard!

Good letter.
Muslims who "fight islamophobia" instead of acknowledging the radical side of islam and standing against, blaming the media for reporting the news about what muslims in the world are doing (and most of it, by far, goes unreported anyway)... they are terrorist supporter.
Moderate muslims are like the "Muslims Against Sharia" group. Muslims who ally with far-left communist organisations to protest islamofacism awareness, are not moderate muslims.
(I guess if I really wanted to be strict with my definition of "moderate" muslim, it would be, the muslims who saw the violence in the quran and left islam :p)

95 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:10:39pm

Damn: would = who

96 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:12:03pm

re: #87 EC Marm

Penn State (main campus) had Rick Santorum speak this week for IFAW. This is the first letter to the school newspaper that I've seen:


Many Muslims seemed to favor radical Islam
Before this week, I felt convinced that all Muslims don't sympathize with terrorism. I figured that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, very few actually sympathize and support radical Islam.
Things changed a bit after former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's speech on Tuesday.

Santorum made a point of identifying that within Islam, there is the ideology of Islamo-Facism.


link
/future lizard!

Hopefully, Santorum's background check will come out okay.

97 profitsbeard  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:15:29pm

If you need allies this bad, why bother?

Tha Anti-Jihad cause should attract the best, not the bottomfeeders.

We're trying to preserve Civilization, not promote throwbacks.

Since Islam, itself, is Throwback Central, already.

Neo-nazis and fascist wannabes should join the Jihad and be honest about their true sympathies.

98 skippyMoment  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:15:43pm

88 shanec99

Thanks for the not, but it's sis, not bro. ;-)

I often muse, what would I do if a cross was burning on my lawn, or if someone had a sword to my throat.

I truly believe what the bible says, that he who would seek to save his life will lose it, and he who loses his life (for HIS sake) will gain it.

Of course, until the time of testing, I won't really know. I'll fight to the best of my ability and defend my beliefs against evil of all kinds, but I really won't know until I'm tested. I hope I pass the test.

99 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:16:53pm

Had to repost my comment with corrections:

One of the important messages to come out of all this is that if we open our ranks to neo-Nazists, racists, and white supremacists the problem is not only that it's evil, but we will lose as a result. The small number of right wing extremists who may be loud against Islam and ready to belt out visceral hatred against Muslims is not worth it. The movement will lose legitimacy in the eyes of great numbers of people whose concern is also decency in this war and chosing reliable, wise allies. As I've said, it's one thing to ally with Stalin while actually fighting a world war, and quite another to found a movement to save the culture with him, which brings his ideology and (lack of) morality into the mix.

On another point, we might explain how it happens that so many in Europe who might normally be moderates have come to defend white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers in the following way. The looming presence of Islamism and totally insane leftist PC structure in Europe leads a lot of people to seek out new political ways to save their culture, which is thoroughly dominated by leftism, state-run socialist media, leftist newspapers, leftist university programs about how opposing open immigration is 'racism', etc. Now, the far right has hated non-whites and especially Muslims for a very long time. So that puts them in an extraordinary position to say, "You see, we aren't racist at all -- we thin just like you!" -- and to co-opt a lot of these newcomers into agreeing with their white nationalist views. Hence, this is the effect of the terrible compromise and the dominance of socialism: people find themselves defending diabolical positions (e.g. 'a pure white ideology is not so bad'), not because that is the core of their values, teaching, and life's thought, but because of the allegiance they have struck with a party they believe is their only hope for survival. I hope we all take a minute to reflect on the desperation contained in the decision to join the white nationalist party -- and to also reflect on the darkly ironic tragedy that it's not going to work because a movement that so lacks decency and righteousness will fail to gain support of the center of the nation.

100 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:17:49pm

LiveBlog: Nick Griffin speech at MSU Friday night


...

After a march across campus, about 60 students opposed to Nick Griffin have entered the speaking location at the MSU Vet Med Clinic.

In attendance with Griffin who has just begun speaking is flanked by white supremacist Preston Wiginton.

Protesters are disrupting the speech from Griffin. Protesters are demanding to know about Griffin's "terrorist activities."
Nick Griffin just told protesters that he would "shove homosexuals back in the closet and kill them."

"If we had American or Britain threatened by radical Christians I would speak against that too. There is not a clear and present danger," Griffin said.

Nick accused protesters of being "bused in from Detroit."

"I want to explain why people like you see me as a racist pig."

His explanation,"We don't believe we are better."

"We don't believe in integration. Integration is extermination."

"I have in the past said very rude things about the holocaust," Griffin said. "I have never denied it, and I do not doubt so many Jews were killed by the Nazis and the Allies."

"My credentials are I have a degree in history and law. I am significantly older than most of you are here, and I have spoken with many many Muslims," Griffin told the crowd to explain why he was qualified to talk about Muslims.

"Muslims gang rape women in Norway and other cultures. Only Muslims do this," Griffin said.

"I am not a Nazi," said Preston Wiginton when asked who he was. "I am just a person who loves my people. You are the ones being the fascists!"

"There's too much propaganda going on here, we need to end this," growled one protester.

"You seek to deny the white people of the world the right to collect in their own community and self determinations; then you are a racist," Griffin said.

"I have not been to Stormfront in a year," said Preston Wiginton to questions about his ties to the white supremacy website.

"People are genetically programmed to fight people who do not look like them," Griffin said.

The fire alarm has gone off; the university is not evacuating the building, nor have fire department personnel arrived on site. The speech continues over the sound of the fire alarm.

As Griffin finished speaking the fire alarm stopped. There was an orderly exit from the building; however, when four YAF members attempted to go to their car, they were chased by protesters who screamed, "Go get them!"

MSU police are searching the campus for these alleged assailants who were seen chasing YAF members into a parking ramp. Among the YAF members was Tyler Whitney, former chair of YAF's Western Michigan University chapter. No injuries are reported at this time. MSU police are escorting YAF members off campus.

101 gop_patriot  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:17:50pm

re: #17 mama winger

Oh - GOOD NEWS!

No cancer - just an inflammation of the lymph glands!

Thanks for all your prayers and good thoughts guys! JP is doing well!

That's fantastic! WOO HOO! Praises going up! :)

102 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:18:05pm

re: #92 Yank in the EU

The movement will lose legitimacy in the eyes of great numbers of people whose concern is also decency in this war and chosing reliable, wise allies.

Exactly. Do we stand for what is Right, or don't we?

103 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:19:59pm

Mr. Bristow's web site does not reflect well upon him. He comes across as something of a self-promoting Gumby. I suspect he's not going to distance himself from Griffen.

104 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:21:12pm

The other thing I'd say is that we are winning over time through persistence - our ranks our growing while CAIR's membership is shriveling.

We don't need to be desperate for allies.

105 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:21:33pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

re: #92 Yank in the EU


The movement will lose legitimacy in the eyes of great numbers of people whose concern is also decency in this war and chosing reliable, wise allies.

Exactly. Do we stand for what is Right, or don't we?

Most do, I believe. But even if we twisted ourselves into thinking we have to bite the bullet and sell our souls to defeat the Islamists, we would be dead wrong. That movement is doomed because the opponents can rationally and correctly rip it to shreds and make the people look like monsters.

106 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:23:50pm
107 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:25:31pm

Row over suicide bomber TV drama

A POLITICAL row is threatening to break out over a Channel 4 drama depicting a young Muslim driven to become Britain’s first female suicide bomber, writes David Cracknell.

The two-part film, Britz, to be shown on Wednesday and Thursday, tries to explain what could lead a second-generation Muslim to turn against the country of her birth.

Britz has been made by Peter Kosminsky, the director of the 2002 political drama The Project. It suggests that Britain’s foreign policy and draconian antiterror laws, particularly control orders which keep some suspects in effect under house arrest, have alienated Muslims.

The film has already irritated some ministers and moderate Muslims. Khurshid Ahmed, chairman of the British Muslim Forum, said: “A film which attempts to glamorise or rationalise the actions of suicide bombers has no place on our screens. Channel 4 should be working with us to defeat terrorism and extremism, not sowing hate and division in our communities and reinforcing negative stereotypes.

A government source said: “Having seen extracts from the film and heard Mr Kosminsky’s comments, we can understand the British Muslim Forum’s concerns. Given Channel 4’s remit as a public service broadcaster, they should listen to the views of moderate Muslims who reject violence and extremism, and they should air those views alongside this film.” Channel 4 described Britz “balanced” and “sensitive”.

108 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:25:59pm

re: #98 skippyMoment


Sister, I am proud that you are a lizard.

I would hope that under stress I continue to hold close to the ideals that I advocate now that I am comfortable and not in danger.

If I am brdened, let me be strong.
If the race becomes too long and the pace too fast for my legs, let me never grow weary.
If I am tempted, let me be resolute.
If I should be offered the easy way out, God guide my footsteps and take me along the paths less traveled.

Let the Bible be our guide.

I can do all things though God who strengthens me.

109 gman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:26:50pm

No doubt this will be used as a tool against the counter- jihad movement. You better believe the government- supported media organizations in Europe will get a lot of mileage from this incident. If governments in Europe can label the counter- jihad, conservatives, and extreme right wingers as having shared goals and ideologies, they can promote more of their appeasement agenda and get away with it.

110 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:27:01pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

LiveBlog: Nick Griffin speech at MSU Friday night



...After a march across campus, about 60 students opposed to Nick Griffin have entered the speaking location at the MSU Vet Med Clinic.

In attendance with Griffin who has just begun speaking is flanked by white supremacist Preston Wiginton.

Protesters are disrupting the speech from Griffin. Protesters are demanding to know about Griffin's "terrorist activities."
Nick Griffin just told protesters that he would "shove homosexuals back in the closet and kill them."

"If we had American or Britain threatened by radical Christians I would speak against that too. There is not a clear and present danger," Griffin said.

Nick accused protesters of being "bused in from Detroit."

"I want to explain why people like you see me as a racist pig."

His explanation,"We don't believe we are better."

"We don't believe in integration. Integration is extermination."

"I have in the past said very rude things about the holocaust," Griffin said. "I have never denied it, and I do not doubt so many Jews were killed by the Nazis and the Allies."

"My credentials are I have a degree in history and law. I am significantly older than most of you are here, and I have spoken with many many Muslims," Griffin told the crowd to explain why he was qualified to talk about Muslims.

"Muslims gang rape women in Norway and other cultures. Only Muslims do this," Griffin said.

"I am not a Nazi," said Preston Wiginton when asked who he was. "I am just a person who loves my people. You are the ones being the fascists!"

"There's too much propaganda going on here, we need to end this," growled one protester.

"You seek to deny the white people of the world the right to collect in their own community and self determinations; then you are a racist," Griffin said.

"I have not been to Stormfront in a year," said Preston Wiginton to questions about his ties to the white supremacy website.

"People are genetically programmed to fight people who do not look like them," Griffin said.

The fire alarm has gone off; the university is not evacuating the building, nor have fire department personnel arrived on site. The speech continues over the sound of the fire alarm.

As Griffin finished speaking the fire alarm stopped. There was an orderly exit from the building; however, when four YAF members attempted to go to their car, they were chased by protesters who screamed, "Go get them!"

MSU police are searching the campus for these alleged assailants who were seen chasing YAF members into a parking ramp. Among the YAF members was Tyler Whitney, former chair of YAF's Western Michigan University chapter. No injuries are reported at this time. MSU police are escorting YAF members off campus.

The victim claim would have been more legit if someone like Nonie Darwish was invited instead of this little s***. I bet if Kyle Bristow didn't have the Islamofascists as a target, he would have the Zionists (code word Joooooo) to hate.

111 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:27:37pm

OT

THE Foreign Office has cleared dozens of Iranians to enter British universities to study advanced nuclear physics and other subjects with the potential to be applied to weapons of mass destruction.

The Whole Story....

112 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:27:51pm

re: #101 gop_patriot

Thank God... inflamed lymph nodes scare me... among the causes:
Infection (viral or bacterial)
AIDS
Cancer
and sometimes no explanation.

But they scare me.

113 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:29:12pm

It gets worse.

This is a leftist group dedicated to "watching" the YAF at Michigan State. Normally I wouldn't pay attention to these kinds of groups.

But in this one case, there does seem to be something that needs watching:

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

114 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:30:02pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

Nick accused protesters of being "bused in from Detroit."

Ugh.

115 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:30:25pm

Interesting:

The NWFP government, after consultation with the Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority (ERRA), blacklisted 20 non-government organisations (NGOs) operating in earthquake-hit areas on Saturday for allegedly embezzling funds. The former provincial government, after receiving complaints, had ordered probes against ghost NGOs, which revealed that the 20 NGOs were not functional and only existed to fool foreign donors into parting with their money. The investigation report revealed that these NGOs had received millions of dollars from foreign donors. The report asked the federal government to freeze the bank accounts of these so-called organisations, while the provincial government shut down their offices and cut short their activities.
116 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:31:06pm
"I have not been to Stormfront in a year," said Preston Wiginton to questions about his ties to the white supremacy website.

!

117 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:31:07pm

Yes, what better way to "prove" that the anti-Islamization movement is racist, as the left claims, than to point to concrete evidence of that in cases of certain individuals and groups. That's why we have to be cautious.

118 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:31:39pm
It’s not clear from the article whether this was part of Islamofascism Awareness Week or not, but if it was, the Young Americans for Freedom have just handed the enemy a huge gift on a platter, tied up with a lovely white supremacist bow.

Yes, they have.

Lovely...

119 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:32:35pm

What could the YAF possible be thinking? Dont conservatives have enough problems with college speaking engagement without bringing in people who are well known racists?

120 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:35:34pm

I ran across an "article" last night about David Horowitz's appearance at a uni this week and how he was "obviously insane."

I need to go back and find it. Damn...

121 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:36:33pm

This is Bristow's reply to my e-mail to him, which is below.

Dear Leftist Freak,

I am thrilled that we had Nick Griffin speak at Michigan State University.

In Freedom,

Kyle Bristow


-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

Please, renounce your decision to host this anti-Semitic man at M.S.U..

Sincerely,

Concerned Lizard from LGF

122 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:36:39pm
123 Cali White Bear  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:38:30pm

Where I come from the YAFers are mostly under-25 middle class kids who are way too conservative for their years. I have met many many dozens of them in the course of campaigning in California: blue blazers, red ties, white shirts, bad haircuts 24/7/365/ One of their big heros out here is soon-to-be-Dinosaur Congressman John Doolittle.

These kids will smile to your face and stab you in the back because you are judged to be insufficiently conservative. CA State Senator Tom McClintock, though not himself a complete whackjob, is another hero of the YAFers. And in most cases these kids are virulently anti Israel. It really is creepy how they will stand their talking to you with a smile and use the most virulent hateful language about any Non-YAF'r.

Right wing Kos-acks is what most of them are, and in fact several of the ones i spoke to at a recent party convention told me they were supporting you-know-who, the only man who can save America for President. Many of them dont believe the "official" 9/11 story either.

theyre not really dangerous, but they are quite annoying, judgemental, and no fun to be around for any reason. To them, Reagan was too liberal.

124 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:38:35pm

re: #122 song_and_dance_man

"People are genetically programmed to fight people who do not look like them," Griffin said.
That is absurd.

Not just absurd. Evil.

125 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:39:36pm

re: #xxx ornery elephant

:) "Being at peace with all men, as far as is possible....." :)

126 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:40:09pm

re: #121 MandyManners

This is Bristow's reply to my e-mail to him, which is below.

Dear Leftist Freak,

I am thrilled that we had Nick Griffin speak at Michigan State University.

In Freedom,
Kyle Bristow


--------------------------------------
Please, renounce your decision to host this anti-Semitic man at M.S.U..

Sincerely,
Concerned Lizard from LGF

Well, that settles the issue of whether they were unaware of Griffin's views.

127 SkippyMoment  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:40:16pm

#108

Amen brother!

Sorry for the slow response, but LGF has been locking up on me for the past two nights when I try to make a post. It then takes about 5-10 minutes before I can get LGF to load again.

Carry on the good fight.
Signing out for the evening to tend to "life."

128 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:40:39pm

re: #124 Charles

I don't need to know anything else about the man. That one line is enough.

129 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:41:10pm

re: #116 Charles

Stormfront is coming up a lot these days.

130 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:42:22pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

How 'dirty' is this site? I would like to know before I visit.

131 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:42:27pm

re: #126 Charles

re: #121 MandyManners


This is Bristow's reply to my e-mail to him, which is below.

Dear Leftist Freak,

I am thrilled that we had Nick Griffin speak at Michigan State University.

In Freedom,
Kyle Bristow


--------------------------------------
Please, renounce your decision to host this anti-Semitic man at M.S.U..

Sincerely,
Concerned Lizard from LGF


Well, that settles the issue of whether they were unaware of Griffin's views.

/would make a good update if Mandy doesn't mind...

132 Kenneth  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:42:28pm

Charles,

Over the past few days you have posted several extremely important items about the encroachment of white racist organizations into the the political debate on anti-islamofascism in Western society. Your presentation of these news items has been fair and balance, but at the same time you have sounded the alarm. There can be no accommodation of neo-Nazis and their ilk into what must be a mainstream movement to defend Western civilization.

The worst thing that has happened in the Western response to jihad post 9-11 has been the co-opting of the liberal democratic parties by radical leftists, in the guise of "pacifist" movements. The only thing that can be worse than that is for the conservative polity to be infected by this racist element.

Please continue to post on this theme. Light is the best disinfectant. We cannot survive and win the great struggle of our time if we succumb to this insidious racist influence.

133 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:42:39pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

If I want to align myself with racists and anti-Semites, I may as well submit.

q4t

134 ec marm  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:43:09pm

re: #111 ornery elephant

The flow of Iranian scientists to Britain for training has caused alarm as the nuclear standoff between Iran and the West becomes increasingly tense. When confronted with the figures this weekend, the Foreign Office admitted that it was reviewing the vetting for sensitive areas of study and planned to announce an overhaul within the next few weeks to make procedures more rigorous.


They hope that by feeding the alligator it will eat them last?
That was a famous American that made that statement, right?

135 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:43:11pm

Get a load of this:

A Yellow Elephant's War Against The Jews

Kyle Bristow
Chairman
MSU Young Americans for Freedom

Dear Chairman Bristow,

I have a lot of respect for Young Americans for Freedom. YAF never backs down from controversy. Whether it's whites only scholarships, defending Coca-Cola from communism, holding "Support the Troops rallies" here so you don't have to fight with them over there, or funding Ann Coulter through speaking engagements so she can continue battling liberals, brown people, and Jews, YAF has always been there, standing up for white Christian conservative principles.

I salute you for continuing this YAF tradition by inviting Nick Griffin to speak. Your bound to get a lot of criticism for it. The politically correct will no doubt rail against Griffin for referring to the Holocaust as the "Holohoax." And there will be others who will condemn him for writing The Mindbenders, his seminal work on Jewish control of the British media.

You know it's going to happen. I think you should prepare for it by attacking them first. Call an emergency meeting of your YAF chapter and put your members to work identifying the Jews at MSU and in the local media. Then you can put out an East Lansing edition of The Mindbenders, so everyone knows who to persecute. It'll be worth the investment, especially as we approach the War on Christmas season.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

136 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:43:54pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Sadly this war with radical Islam is making a lot of people who were not racists before give serious consideration to the vile hatred of groups like Stormfront.

137 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:44:01pm

It's becoming clear to me that I was being naive in thinking the YAF at Michigan State would renounce Griffin. They knew exactly what he believes, and invited him for that reason.

And surprise -- they're also Ron Paul supporters.

138 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:44:39pm

re: #130 Cap'n DOC

Ron Paul, Nazis and White Power It doesn't get much dirtier than that.
They also have a whole section on "Christian Identity" that I haven't explored yet.

139 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:45:10pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Oh man...

140 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:45:17pm

re: #121 MandyManners

Holy cr*p!

141 Kenneth  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:45:26pm

re: #134 ec marm

Well, he had an American mother. It was Sir Winston Churchill who said that.

Dear G-d, we need another Churchill now!

142 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:46:09pm

re: #133 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Huh?

143 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:46:10pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I'll put on the Hazmat. Thanks.

144 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:46:49pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

wow.. what a crazy fn site... look what I found on it..

BTW.. "General JC Christian" = Jesus Christ Christian?

Crucifix Mints In Bible Stash Box

145 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:47:03pm

re: #121 MandyManners

This is Bristow's reply to my e-mail to him, which is below.

Dear Leftist Freak,

I am thrilled that we had Nick Griffin speak at Michigan State University.

In Freedom,

Kyle Bristow


---------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------

Please, renounce your decision to host this anti-Semitic man at M.S.U..

Sincerely,

Concerned Lizard from LGF

I was right. If he didn't have the Islamofascists to hate, he would have the neocons/Zionists to hate.

146 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:47:16pm

The following is a Resource Link on the website of YAFWatch:

Immigrant Solidarity Network


According to their newsletter, the current strategy includes:

In addition, we also need to support the immigrant-run anti-war effort to end the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, and counter -recruitment campaign and the African-American run civil rights movement, such as Jena 6 campaign.

It continues with various points:

1. Pressure Political Candidates at 2008 Election

2. Campaign Against Raids, Detention and Deportation and Support National Sanctuary Movement

3. No to the Border Fence and Militarization of the Border.

147 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:47:42pm

re: #137 Charles

I'm really starting to notice the trend here. These extremist groups and speakers aren't invited to these events out of naivety, I'm really starting to suspect an agenda on both sides of The Pond.

148 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:48:02pm
149 dmandman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:48:04pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot


Wot a crok.....anyone who defines his or herself as a "patriot" is a fraud. That's like the old Lucy line from Peanuts about how she was perfect although she thought she had made an error once but later found she was mistaken so it didn't count.

150 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:48:50pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Things are looking to get real ugly. On one side we have the Ron Paulbots, Nazis and White Power on the other we have the dKos DU liberal appeasers.

151 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:49:01pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Get a load of this:

A Yellow Elephant's War Against The Jews

Kyle Bristow
Chairman
MSU Young Americans for Freedom

Dear Chairman Bristow,

I have a lot of respect for Young Americans for Freedom. YAF never backs down from controversy. Whether it's whites only scholarships, defending Coca-Cola from communism, holding "Support the Troops rallies" here so you don't have to fight with them over there, or funding Ann Coulter through speaking engagements so she can continue battling liberals, brown people, and Jews, YAF has always been there, standing up for white Christian conservative principles.

I salute you for continuing this YAF tradition by inviting Nick Griffin to speak. Your bound to get a lot of criticism for it. The politically correct will no doubt rail against Griffin for referring to the Holocaust as the "Holohoax." And there will be others who will condemn him for writing The Mindbenders, his seminal work on Jewish control of the British media.

You know it's going to happen. I think you should prepare for it by attacking them first. Call an emergency meeting of your YAF chapter and put your members to work identifying the Jews at MSU and in the local media. Then you can put out an East Lansing edition of The Mindbenders, so everyone knows who to persecute. It'll be worth the investment, especially as we approach the War on Christmas season.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

This is nowhere near a "Christian or Conservative" blog. This blog... and I hate to use this word... but it seems to fit... is evil.

152 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:49:25pm

re: #137 Charles

It's becoming clear to me that I was being naive in thinking the YAF at Michigan State would renounce Griffin. They knew exactly what he believes, and invited him for that reason.

And surprise -- they're also Ron Paul supporters.

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan

153 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:49:47pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

q4t = quoted for truth, meaning you nailed it & I couldn't have said it better.

154 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:50:57pm

The patriotboy blog is one of the very worst leftist blogs.

I hate to admit that creature was right in this case, but he was.

155 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:51:02pm

re: #151 Ginn

Yes, he does parodies and satire, the unfortunate part about this is that he's close to truth. Which is sick.

156 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:51:03pm

re: #149 dmandman

Wot a crok.....anyone who defines his or herself as a "patriot" is a fraud. That's like the old Lucy line from Peanuts about how she was perfect although she thought she had made an error once but later found she was mistaken so it didn't count.

And they will pull the football away every time.

157 theheat  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:51:36pm

The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend, it's often just another equally disgusting piece of shit trying to grow a fan base. Fatah, BNP, Vlaams Blok - these are not our friends. In fact, they aren't anybody's friends.

Columbia obviously isn't the only learning institution with assholes on the guest list.

158 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:51:43pm

re: #121 MandyManners

This is Bristow's reply to my e-mail to him, which is below.

Dear Leftist Freak,

I am thrilled that we had Nick Griffin speak at Michigan State University.

In Freedom,

Kyle Bristow


---------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------

Please, renounce your decision to host this anti-Semitic man at M.S.U..

Sincerely,

Concerned Lizard from LGF


Thanks for sharing....


And

Holy

Crap!

I do believe we have an infestation.

159 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:51:46pm

re: #155 Thanos

re: #151 Ginn

Yes, he does parodies and satire, the unfortunate part about this is that he's close to truth. Which is sick.

What "truth" is that, Thanos?

160 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:51:49pm

re: #153 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Oh! Thanks. That was just me from the heart.

161 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:53:00pm

re: #151 Ginn

This is nowhere near a "Christian or Conservative" blog. This blog... and I hate to use this word... but it seems to fit... is evil.

It was very creepy the moment I found the website. It reminds me of the Fred Phelps folks.

162 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:53:11pm
163 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:53:37pm

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

re: #151 Ginn

This is nowhere near a "Christian or Conservative" blog. This blog... and I hate to use this word... but it seems to fit... is evil.
It was very creepy the moment I found the website. It reminds me of the Fred Phelps folks.

Yeah... my Creep-O-Meter spiked... need to clean my cache.

164 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:53:45pm

re: #150 doriangrey

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Things are looking to get real ugly. On one side we have the Ron Paulbots, Nazis and White Power on the other we have the dKos DU liberal appeasers.

Yes, this is rot from the inside, I can't help but wonder how many "conservatives with rabid extreme BDS" fall into this category.

165 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:53:57pm

On the bright side, experiencing something like this contains the possibility of leading some of us to a crystalline insight on the importance of value systems in politics, the dangers of leftist totalitarianism, and the need to stand up to the jihadists in the right way without having people go off to bizarre, hateful ideologies. It can help us to see with perfect mental clarity that we must actively work to build good movements, political organizations, and to deal with issues openly and rationally; we cannot let happen what we are seeing in European countries.

166 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:55:16pm

Remember the hymn.. Shall We Gather At The River?

Evidently some leeches (YAF) showed up too.

167 profitsbeard  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:55:29pm

Limiting the gene pool ends up in a cul de sac of congenital deformities and worse.

This credo of "racial purity" is its own inevitable doom.

Hare-lipped, microencephalic, but still able to draw a swastika.

I prefer talented and tolerant people of all types and find that the unity of deceny means more than any simplistic "goals".

How you get "the trains to run on time" means more than merely getting them to run on time.

The humane path is the only one worth following.

Fascists all suck.

168 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:55:40pm

re: #165 Yank in the EU

I think it's been highly enlightening.

169 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:55:52pm

My reply to Bristow:

I'm not a "Leftist Freak." I'm a Republican and a Christian who is deeply concerned that a Conservative group in America has chosen to take sides with an anti-Semitic jackass.

You might want to check out Little Green Footballs. There's a thread about this topic.

Also, you might want to research The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, his connections to Hitler, and his role in recruiting Nazi forces in the Balkans.

170 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:56:15pm

re: #159 Ginn

re: #155 Thanos


re: #151 Ginn

Yes, he does parodies and satire, the unfortunate part about this is that he's close to truth. Which is sick.


What "truth" is that, Thanos?


The subject of Charles' post -- Jesus' General has done these parodies for years, they are always sad attempts to hit a mark .. but in this case Kyle Bristow provided him with a phat target.

171 Ginn  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:57:02pm

re: #170 Thanos

re: #159 Ginn

re: #155 Thanos

re: #151 GinnYes, he does parodies and satire, the unfortunate part about this is that he's close to truth. Which is sick.

What "truth" is that, Thanos?

The subject of Charles' post -- Jesus' General has done these parodies for years, they are always sad attempts to hit a mark .. but in this case Kyle Bristow provided him with a phat target.

Ahhhh... thanks Thanos!

172 Truumax  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:57:17pm

re: #164 Thanos

I said it in an earlier thread, but maybe in the end it's a good thing this happened. Obviously, this isn't the isolated incident that we first thought it was.

It's like with cancer: The sooner you find out about it, the better your chances of rooting it out.

173 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:57:30pm

re: #169 MandyManners

Mandy- you rock.

174 Truumax  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:57:56pm

re: #165 Yank in the EU

ding for you!

175 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:58:11pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Does 10 minutes count? You can tell a lot from what they chose for 'symbols' - and lettering. I knew very little about Mr. Fromm. I know a great deal now.

I'm going to have supper, say our evening prayers and try to forget where I've been.

176 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:58:40pm

I've now put quotes around the word 'conservative' in the title of this post, because these people aren't conservatives.

They're insane.

177 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 5:59:33pm

re: #134 ec marm

They hope that by feeding the alligator it will eat them last?
That was a famous American that made that statement, right?

It was Winston Churchill who said (and I may not be quoting this exactly) "An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile in the vain hope that it will eat him last."

178 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:00:00pm

re: #176 Charles

Far Out.

179 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:00:01pm

re: #176 Charles

I've now put quotes around the word 'conservative' in the title of this post, because these people aren't conservatives.

They're insane.

insane people embrace any mask they think will work.

180 Kevin SHook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:01:02pm

re: #165 Yank in the EU

I agree with you. Although this is a terrible development, it does give us an opportunity speak clearly about what we believe and what we are against. Regardless of whether it comes from the Islamofascists or the Racists, we have to make it clear that we are guided by the principals laid out by the Founding Fathers.

181 The Shadow Do  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:01:08pm

Charles, thank you for bringing this ugly business to the fore. As usual, you are the 21st century DEW Line defense against Idiotarianism. This past week or so of posts regarding these individuals and organizations have served warning, I think, to all American lizards and perhaps some folks outside of this blog.

*flicks tongue about sensing the air*

182 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:01:32pm
183 Yank in the EU  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:02:01pm

re: #174 Truumax

Cheers ;)

[Tips Stella Artois]

184 David Simon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:03:04pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Get a load of this:


A Yellow Elephant's War Against The Jews

Kyle Bristow
Chairman
MSU Young Americans for Freedom

Dear Chairman Bristow,

I have a lot of respect for Young Americans for Freedom. YAF never backs down from controversy. Whether it's whites only scholarships, defending Coca-Cola from communism, holding "Support the Troops rallies" here so you don't have to fight with them over there, or funding Ann Coulter through speaking engagements so she can continue battling liberals, brown people, and Jews, YAF has always been there, standing up for white Christian conservative principles.

I salute you for continuing this YAF tradition by inviting Nick Griffin to speak. Your bound to get a lot of criticism for it. The politically correct will no doubt rail against Griffin for referring to the Holocaust as the "Holohoax." And there will be others who will condemn him for writing The Mindbenders, his seminal work on Jewish control of the British media.

You know it's going to happen. I think you should prepare for it by attacking them first. Call an emergency meeting of your YAF chapter and put your members to work identifying the Jews at MSU and in the local media. Then you can put out an East Lansing edition of The Mindbenders, so everyone knows who to persecute. It'll be worth the investment, especially as we approach the War on Christmas season.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

It's a political satire website. NJD.

185 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:03:24pm

re: #176 Charles

The question should not be whether they are insane or not, but how did they get that way. why is it that some many of this great republics youths who attend our incredible university system are coming out of it such bark at the moon raving lunatics?

186 hazzyday  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:03:37pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

That guy is a hard left commentator with a penchant for gay slurs against young white republican males. It says a lot about who he is.

187 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:03:38pm

Good news, maybe, for Lake Okechobee and the Seminole nation that depends on the Everglades and the lake for food and water!


Tropical Disturbance #90L will be upgraded to Tropical Depression #16L in 2 hours!


Don't get too excited, the majority of the models keep the future Hurricane Noel East of Florida.

188 gman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:03:52pm

We need to have a list of wacko groups that are screwing up the counter- jihad message.

Put the Yaffer's at the top of the list.

189 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:04:48pm

re: #164 Thanos

I think there are more than a few.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:05:33pm
MSU YAF was listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center in April. Its chairman, Kyle Bristow, has been tied to the white supremacy movement and its legal advisor Jason VanDyke has been tied to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a racist outgrowth of the former White Citizens Councils.

source

192 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:06:09pm

re: #126 Charles

I did some nutty stuff when I was a college student. Heck, I was a member of the Communist Party. However, I grew out of it once I studied and learned about it. That took a lot of reading and quite some time.

YAF has the information about Griffin and Ron Paul at their fingertips yet, they continue to support them. I'm thinking that this goes beyond youthful experimentation.

193 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:06:11pm

OT

3 Palestinians (2 young girls) Killed in Gaza Explosion

Three Palestinians were killed in southern Gaza after an unexplained explosion ripped through their home on Saturday afternoon. Initial evidence indicates that the explosion was likely caused by unexploded ordnance from a rocket that had been kept in the house.

194 Luigi  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:06:48pm

It's a shame to have this distraction. I hope it passes as soon as possible. The genesis of the current controversy is the uneven awakening of Europe to the crisis in their midst. Europe is groping for solutions and sounding their historical paths looking for a way forward.

Related to this is that one of the problems in the West is the inability of our leader to articulate, and to go before the press frequently. This causes great fuzziness around the edges of political thought. Its like the country is on autopilot. Believe me, the longer I live under Bush the more I like him. In fact, it occurs to me we would have won the Vietnam War if he were president then. Its just that his great flaw in articulation leaves us all to find our own way.

195 MJ  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:07:20pm

Charles,
This is a time warp...this group represents what used to be called,
"the old Christan Right". Gerald L.K. Smith would be right at home with these lunatics.

196 yochanan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:07:21pm

re: #43 storagemanager

BARUCH DAYAN HA-EMES.

198 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:09:15pm

One thing that's very noteworthy: The supremacist groups and Paulists are being very sly -- they are using an advertising/marketing concept called "brand dilution".

A while back I posted a story about how this was done with Freedom's Watch here. ( The Youtube hatesite has since been taken down thanks to the efforts of Lizards.)

199 hazzyday  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:09:56pm

Ron Paul has a lot of explaining to do.

200 Kevin SHook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:11:32pm

re: #185 doriangrey


In my opinion it is because today's educational system completely ignores the classics. There is nearly over 3000 years of philosophy and political thought the has been shunned by our education system over the past 50+ years as being Eurocentric or another example of white men imposing their authority over everyone else.

I remember seeing the movie 300 and some of the comments I heard from younger audience members was "I like the movie except where the Spartans sounded like George Bush." Talk about uneducated. They didn't know that it was George Bush who was invoking the Greeks, not the other way around.

201 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:12:07pm

re: #199 hazzyday

Ron Paul has a lot of explaining to do.

Ron Paul was a speaker at the Arab American Institute Event this weekend in Michigan. Other speakers are Howard Dean and Dennis Kookcinich. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards are speaking to the attendees over the phone.

202 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:12:15pm

re: #199 hazzyday

Huh? How do you get a raving lunatic to explain anything in a meaningful fashion?

203 yochanan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:12:23pm

re: #123 Cali White Bear

frankly RON PAUL should be kicked out of the GOP

204 khamr  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:12:41pm

You're all getting caught up about race, just like the fucking left.

Why is it wrong to say that white people invented liberal democracy, it is a fact you know.

Maybe extremism should be fought with extremism, especially in this day of moral relativism. And if you're of the annointed minority groups and can't see that you're being played than so be it. The left are the real supremecists, and we all know it.

Why cower to their calls of racism?

205 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:13:13pm

Sharmuta, marwan's daughter, Highrise and anyone else who replied to me: I'm up to my ass in alligators at the moment so I apologize for not responding to each of you indivdually.

bbl

206 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:13:13pm

re: #193 ornery elephant

OT

3 Palestinians (2 young girls) Killed in Gaza Explosion


Three Palestinians were killed in southern Gaza after an unexplained explosion ripped through their home on Saturday afternoon. Initial evidence indicates that the explosion was likely caused by unexploded ordnance from a rocket that had been kept in the house.


Work accident?

207 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:13:33pm

OT

Kidnapped BBC Reporter Tells Tale of Kidnap

At one point, a guard told Johnston his captors were deciding whether to kill him. He asked how it would be done.

"The Zarqawi way," the guard answered, referring to the late al-Qaida in Iraq leader, whose group was responsible for the beheading of several foreign hostages.

"If that was to be the last image my family and the world was to have of me if at all possible I did not want it to be one of a weeping, pleading, broken man," Johnston wrote on the BBC Web site.

208 So?  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:13:39pm
209 ointmentfly  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:14:02pm

The looney left in the US and the socialist left in Europe need to own up to their responsibility in allowing unchecked Islamist creep and the predictable gemination of reactionary racist groups.

210 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:14:16pm

re: #204 khamr

You're all getting caught up about race, just like the fucking left.

Why is it wrong to say that white people invented liberal democracy, it is a fact you know.

Maybe extremism should be fought with extremism, especially in this day of moral relativism. And if you're of the annointed minority groups and can't see that you're being played than so be it. The left are the real supremecists, and we all know it.

Why cower to their calls of racism?

BECAUSE THEY ARE RACISTS, YOU FUCKING SIMPLETON.

211 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:15:10pm

I got a toilet to scrub. Later.

212 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:15:28pm

Putting on my Air America tin-foil hat for a moment, could leftists themselves be instigating this?

We know they have back-channel contacts with racist groups and other nominally rightwing fringe elements through their common hatred of Jews and their opposition to the war. Hell, with the rise of Ron Paulism, it is not even back-channel anymore.
We also know that they have some really talented propaganda people (megabuck professionals in fact) and a huge war-chest, thanks to Soros and other corporate sponsors.
It would not be very expensive in relative terms to get these Yaffer punks on board just by slipping a coins to them, and the propaganda pay-off is enormous. This episode is a sensation in the left's powerful campus propaganda machine. It will be thrown in the face of every conservative activist from now on.

213 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:15:55pm

That post by "khamr" will remain there, like a big stinking turd, turning slowly white with age, to demonstrate why he/she/it was banned.

214 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:16:00pm
215 MJ  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:16:24pm

re: #204 khamr

"Why is it wrong to say that white people invented liberal democracy, it is a fact you know."

What is a fact is that you're a moron.

216 Kevin SHook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:16:30pm

re: #213 Charles

Thank you Charles.

217 jeppo[deleted]  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:17:45pm
218 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:18:48pm

re: #213 Charles

Just like Mandy- You ROCK!

219 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:18:49pm

re: #204 khamr


Post searching for dings, please hit it.

220 insanity police  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:18:55pm

re: #214 insanity police

KYLE BRISTOW'S WEB PAGE

Lots of pictures of him with Michigan politicians on his website. Pics of him with David Horowitz as well as "George Washington" there too.

But why does he have a picture with pan-Islamist and Thompson campaign advisor Spencer Abraham? Must not hate Islamists too much.

221 TalkinKamel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:19:18pm

#204 khamr

Before WWII, Nazism was sold to Americans as the antidote for Communism.

After WWII, Communism was presented as the antithesis, and solution, for Facism. Both propositions were BS.

Americans must resist extremism of any sort. You can't fight one extreme with another. Looked at close up, they really are a lot alike.

222 albusteve  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:19:27pm

re: #208 So?

[Link: youtube.com...]

well that was pretty awful

223 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:21:02pm

re: #211 MandyManners

I got a toilet to scrub. Later.

haha....

You rule!

224 TalkinKamel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:21:13pm

Charles, I always had a great deal of respect for you----but I find I've found even more, with your coverage of this. For far too many bloggers, it would have been "Well, we'll ally with anybody, if they're against Islamofacism!"

I salute you, with all four Kamel hooves!

225 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:21:13pm

re: #200 Kevin SHook

Yea, that and the fact that so many professors now are either closet communists or outright socialists. I think as the indoctrinate u points out there is very definitely something fishy going on on American university campuses.

226 yochanan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:21:27pm
227 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:22:43pm

re: #214 insanity police

KYLE BRISTOW'S WEB PAGE

He has the same damn smile in every pic. It's my guess, but I smell an opportunist, and not really in it with his heart.

228 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:22:54pm

Exsqueeze me, but does YAF even exist? I just clicked on [Link: www.yaf.com,...] and it's mourning the recent passing of Ronald Reagan. Is there another site?

229 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:23:29pm

re: #213 Charles

That post by "khamr" will remain there, like a big stinking turd, turning slowly white with age, to demonstrate why he/she/it was banned.


And his start date should show us that these types can lay in and wait...it isn't just new people.

khamr
This user is blocked.


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Registered lizardoid since: Aug 18, 2004 at 5:35 pm

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 222

230 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:24:57pm

re: #227 Noam Sayin'

re: #214 insanity police


KYLE BRISTOW'S WEB PAGE

He has the same damn smile in every pic. It's my guess, but I smell an opportunist, and not really in it with his heart.


And OHHH what a black heart he has.

231 zmdavid  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:25:08pm

re: #221 TalkinKamel
Extreme and moderate are fuzzy concepts. What about right and wrong?

232 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:25:20pm

re: #227 Noam Sayin'

I smell the stench of political opportunism myself.

/It's a Hater's weapon of choice

233 Thanos  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:26:36pm

That's kind of funny actually... Khamr is banned.

Khamr is "intoxicant or alcohol" in the Quran, it's haram, or banned.

234 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:27:06pm

re: #233 Thanos

How apropos.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:27:42pm

Friend of Tyler Whitney: Gays are “poor creatures [doing] Satan’s work”

I have it from a good source that “Saint Joe McCarthy” on the Michigan State University’s Young Americans for Freedom’s Spartan Spectator is actually Kyle Bristow, a good friend of Tyler Whitney.

Whitney, 18 years old, started coming out a few months ago and a report of his coming out process made it into the LGBT media and eventually into the progressive LGBT blogosphere (where he was quickly eaten alive).

A few days ago, I spoke out against the cruel, vile comments being thrown toward Whitney.

“Saint Joe McCarthy” a.k.a. Kyle Bristow, had to have known one of his best friends was gay when he wrote the following on June 11, 2007:

At MSU, the homosexual agenda is readily evident. Posters advocating for sexual deviancy are strewn about MSU, deviants hold meetings at nearly every (if not all) residence halls on campus, and the deviants even get their own room to advocate their “cause” at the Student Services Building. Moral people view the homosexual activist as a poor creature that has crawled out of the pit of hell to do Satan’s work, but at MSU, these deviants are welcome — if not encouraged — to promote their sick beliefs. They claim that their lifestyle is “natural”, but they fail to explain why their fathers, their grandfathers, their great-grandfathers, and generations upon generations of their ancestors were heterosexual. Instead of believing the truth about homosexuality — that it is brought about by conditioning rather than nature — they believe that they are born with homosexual genes. Their lies are propagated along with their diseases. Being a sexual deviant is an abomination, an abnormality, and an oddity, and the truth of the matter is reticent at MSU.

In time, our society will once again appreciate morals and truth, or it will fall like Sodom and Gomorrah.

One has to wonder... Does Kyle believe his best friend Tyler Whitney to be a “sexual deviant” who is a “poor creature [doing] Satan’s work,” who is sick, diseased and an abomination?

Has he told his friend Tyler this? If not, why? If Tyler, as a gay man, does not fit this description, then why do I or any other gay person?

heh.

236 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:30:03pm
And surprise! They’re also big supporters of the only man who can save America, Ron Paul.

What a bunch of fuzzy-minded loons! They think the situation is so desperate they bring a fascist dog to warn about Islamism, but they support the man who would withdraw our troops from the real fight in a Dunkirk style debacle.
The left obviously does not have a monopoly on cognitive dissonance.

I agree that they are opportunists, grabbing and squeezing every meme that seems likely to yield some kind of profit.

237 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:30:06pm

re: #220 insanity police


But why does he have a picture with pan-Islamist and Thompson campaign advisor Spencer Abraham? Must not hate Islamists too much.

Good question.

238 Harry Bergeron  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:30:36pm

Score one for the bad guys....

239 Clairevoyant1  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:31:05pm

TOT, but I just had an argument with my best (moonbat) friend of 30 years over the BBC, NPR, (her favorite news sources) FOX News, and Islam. She insisted that I was completely wrong about what Muslims believe and when I asked her if she'd ever read the Koran, she asked if I'd ever read the Bible and proceeded to compare the two. The evening ended with her declaring she couldn't stay where people believed as I believed, grabbing her wrap, rushing out the door, and leaving her embarrassed husband here with us to make a lame apology.

I'm devastated. We've had discussions before, about politics and beliefs, but we've never had such a blow-up. I just don't understand how anyone can be so blind. She's always been a moonbat, but I thought she had some sense. Guess I was wrong.

Every time we've had a disagreement, I've been the one to call and make apologies. Not this time. There's too much distance between us now and I don't need an appeaser as a friend.

Am I so wrong? Crying now.

240 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:31:32pm

re: #223 Highrise

re: #211 MandyManners


I got a toilet to scrub. Later.

haha....

You rule!

Took my frustration out on the toilet. It's so clean that I could serve punch in it.

241 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:31:43pm

AllahPundit has some nice things to say about LGF.....

Conservative student group invites racist Holocaust denier to speak on Islam

Do savor the irony, though, that it’s LGF — the blog to which they so often maliciously attribute BNP-ish attitudes — that was the first to post on this. It’s of a piece with some of Charles’s other posts lately chronicling the slimier aspects of certain European critics of Islam, starting with this and more recently here. Read them both. These turds may sound like Ayaan Hirsi Ali in one sense, but whether they’d even be willing to receive her given her skin color is an open question. Shamefully, like YAF with Griffin, at least one righty blogger knocked Charles for writing those posts. All movements, political and otherwise, eventually face the temptation of “enemy of my enemy” logic. It’s seductive; it’s human nature. Resist it at every turn.

242 Kenneth  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:33:51pm

#193 ornery elephant

"...the explosion was likely caused by unexploded ordnance from a rocket that had been kept in the house. "

...proving once again there is no such thing as "unexploded ordnance, there is only pre-exploded ordnance. By the way, what kind of idiot keeps rockets in a house with children living there?

Oh. Right. A Palestinian idiot.

243 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:34:00pm

OT

Suicide Bomber Kills Five at Afghan-U.S. Base

KABUL, Afghanistan — A suicide bomber wearing an Afghan security uniform detonated his explosives at the entrance to a combined U.S.-Afghan base on Saturday, killing four Afghan soldiers and a civilian, officials said.

244 gman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:34:14pm

re: #211 MandyManners

I got a toilet to scrub. Later.

lol

We can thank Charles for putting on the surgical mask and rubber gloves and scrubbing Kamr's stink away.

Flush!

245 ointmentfly  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:34:25pm

re: #239 Clairevoyant1

There, there...... you are the one with the feet planted firmly on earth. She WANTS to beleive all is rosy with the world and that conservatives are the real cause of all that is bad......

/.....see Bill Clinton presidency

246 galloping granny  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:34:34pm

re: #228 itellu3times

Exsqueeze me, but does YAF even exist? I just clicked on [Link: www.yaf.com,...] and it's mourning the recent passing of Ronald Reagan. Is there another site?

I looked through a few pages. Didn't come across anything newer than 2001. Other nasty stuff though. Take a peek at the bios of some of the "national board" members.

247 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:35:15pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Well isn't that interesting. He really is some gem isn't he.

If his org wants to make it, they need to toss him overboard. If they do do that, it will be highly unlikely they'd do it for the right reasons. Just a gut feeling.

248 Kevin SHook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:36:04pm

re: #225 doriangrey

You got that right. I went to an college in the early '80's and minored in U.S. History. The younger professors did nothing but bash the US in their classes. It was very depressing.

249 Shalmanessar  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:36:12pm

“We have all come from different backgrounds,” said Authra Khreis, 17, a pre-med student and a protester. “We should accept one another. I don’t think he should be allowed to speak. You can use free speech until you hurt another person.”

That is another way of saying we should have no free speech at all. Am I supposed to join this woman in her leftist outrage? It's a fascism of niceness. I won't make common cause with that. If Ahmedinejad can speak at Columbia, the BNP leader can speak at MSU.

Anyhow, I hope LGF returns to its regularly-scheduled programming of Islamist coverage soon. This stuff is depressing, and while it is news, it is news that people could learn elsewhere as I blissfully try to ignore it all.

250 galloping granny  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:36:45pm

re: #239 Clairevoyant1

TOT, but I just had an argument with my best (moonbat) friend of 30 years over the BBC, NPR, (her favorite news sources) FOX News, and Islam. She insisted that I was completely wrong about what Muslims believe and when I asked her if she'd ever read the Koran, she asked if I'd ever read the Bible and proceeded to compare the two. The evening ended with her declaring she couldn't stay where people believed as I believed, grabbing her wrap, rushing out the door, and leaving her embarrassed husband here with us to make a lame apology.

I'm devastated. We've had discussions before, about politics and beliefs, but we've never had such a blow-up. I just don't understand how anyone can be so blind. She's always been a moonbat, but I thought she had some sense. Guess I was wrong.

Every time we've had a disagreement, I've been the one to call and make apologies. Not this time. There's too much distance between us now and I don't need an appeaser as a friend.

Am I so wrong? Crying now.

No, you are not wrong. I'm so sorry. It is hard to have a friendship end this way.

251 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:36:55pm

re: #230 Highrise

re: #227 Noam Sayin'

re: #214 insanity police


KYLE BRISTOW'S WEB PAGE


He has the same damn smile in every pic. It's my guess, but I smell an opportunist, and not really in it with his heart.


And OHHH what a black heart he has.

Oh, wow. Is that legit?

I'm doing several different HH chores, while posting on another blog and watching "Child's Play" (Free Movies on Demand) so I'm only half paying attention for now. My thoughts at #227 were simply first impressions.

252 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:39:59pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Yup, that AllahPundit knows which side to stand on. Atheist he may be, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. And when somebody does the right thing for the right reason, he has no problem saying so.....

253 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:40:12pm

re: #239 Clairevoyant1

((((((Clairvevoyant1))))))

That stinks.

254 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:41:40pm

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel

What a bunch of fuzzy-minded loons! They think the situation is so desperate they bring a fascist dog to warn about Islamism, but they support the man who would withdraw our troops from the real fight in a Dunkirk style debacle.
The left obviously does not have a monopoly on cognitive dissonance.

I agree that they are opportunists, grabbing and squeezing every meme that seems likely to yield some kind of profit.

It's why it is imperative we keep opportunists away from us- by their very nature- they intend to use us. And we can find opportunists at every level of our relationships- personal, professional, political. When an opportunist latches onto you- you must realize they do so with intent. They see you as a tool to get what they want.

This boy has an agenda and wants legitimacy. He and his agenda should be scorned resoundingly and quickly. Shine the light and make them scurry back to the fringes where they belong.

255 ornery elephant  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:42:24pm

re: #249 Shalmanessar

“We have all come from different backgrounds,” said Authra Khreis, 17, a pre-med student and a protester. “We should accept one another. I don’t think he should be allowed to speak. You can use free speech until you hurt another person.”

That is another way of saying we should have no free speech at all. Am I supposed to join this woman in her leftist outrage? It's a fascism of niceness. I won't make common cause with that. If Ahmedinejad can speak at Columbia, the BNP leader can speak at MSU.

Anyhow, I hope LGF returns to its regularly-scheduled programming of Islamist coverage soon. This stuff is depressing, and while it is news, it is news that people could learn elsewhere as I blissfully try to ignore it all.

Breaking News: Major Afghan Fight Erupts Today

A major battle has been fought today in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, a mountainous region in the south that is sick with Taliban fighters and is often the scene of frequent fighting. Most extraordinary is that the U.S. military is claiming to have slaughtered at least 84 Taliban who ambushed a patrol of "coalition forces" - typically code for a Green Beret unit - and Afghan National Security Forces. ANSF are essentially Pashtun tribal militiamen who operate almost exclusively with U.S. Army Special Forces

256 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:42:43pm

re: #239 Clairevoyant1

TOT, but I just had an argument with my best (moonbat) friend of 30 years over the BBC, NPR, (her favorite news sources) FOX News, and Islam. She insisted that I was completely wrong about what Muslims believe and when I asked her if she'd ever read the Koran, she asked if I'd ever read the Bible and proceeded to compare the two. The evening ended with her declaring she couldn't stay where people believed as I believed, grabbing her wrap, rushing out the door, and leaving her embarrassed husband here with us to make a lame apology.

I'm devastated. We've had discussions before, about politics and beliefs, but we've never had such a blow-up. I just don't understand how anyone can be so blind. She's always been a moonbat, but I thought she had some sense. Guess I was wrong.

Every time we've had a disagreement, I've been the one to call and make apologies. Not this time. There's too much distance between us now and I don't need an appeaser as a friend.

Am I so wrong? Crying now.

Some people have the strangest reactions to criticisms against Islam. They apparently have never read a thing about it but they think they are experts. I have read quite a few books on it, including the Qur'an, of which I have a copy. It really is violent and intolerant and highly antagonistic to Jews in particular.

One of the most scholarly works is "The Life of Mahomet," by William Muir, written in the1860's. It's a long and difficult read, but quite enlightening. Moonbats just assume that criticism of Islam is the same thing as anti-semitism or racism, which of course, it is not. They think all peoples and cultures have the same basic values and beliefs, which again is demonstrably untrue.

Take my wife, for instance. Please! :). She is a Filipina, and thinks I should leave the toilet seat down instead of up, and it has taken a lot of effort to train her differently.

257 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:42:48pm

[Link: www.statenews.com...]

Hey Bristow, FU.

FEH,
R

258 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:42:59pm

In the 1992 classic Falling Down, Michael Douglas plays a patriotic defense-worker who snaps and goes on a rampage against various injustices in Los Angeles.

The police are looking for him so he takes refuge in a surplus store, where the owner turns out to be a neo-nazi. The nazi insults a couple of gay men who come in, and shows Douglas his most prized possession: a use Zyklon B canister from the death camps. He also admits that he recognizes Douglas, having heard about him on news bulletins. He expresses support and tells Douglas, "Hey, you and me, we're alike!" or words to that effect.

Douglas responds with one of my all-time favorite movie lines: "No, we're not alike. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole."

259 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:44:18pm

re: #248 Kevin SHook

Yup, I had pretty much the same experience myself, only difference was the degree. Mine was music. Oh and the worst of them all were the liberal arts under 35 professors. I had an American lit. professor who was a tree hugging Che worshiping anti-American anti-military raving moonbat. Kind of like a younger version of Ward Churchill.

260 Ashamed to be Dutch  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:44:40pm

re: #240 MandyManners

re: #223 Highrise

re: #211 MandyManners


I got a toilet to scrub. Later.


haha....You rule!

Took my frustration out on the toilet. It's so clean that I could serve punch in it.

Mandy, please reassure us, you won't do THAT ! Never ! ;-))

261 shanec99  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:45:03pm

re: #215 MJ
Bro... don't start with the white black stuff.

People can say white people also invented Communism.
People can say that white people invented the Spanish inquisition.

Need I continue?

None of this matters, nor would it be relevant in any discussion.

Look we Americans are following in a tradition of democracy that reaches back to the the ancient Mediterranean and middle eastern cultures of enlightened government.

We Americans are heirs to a wonderful legacy, please let us not divide ourselves among racial lines and undermine what our founding fathers bequeathed us.

262 zmdavid  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:46:25pm

re: #239 Clairevoyant1
It's not really off-topic. It's the reason people need to speak out against the Nazi-type Islam opponents. Your friend does not see a difference between you and Kyle Bristow. This will happen to all sensible conservatives if Kyle Bristow types are allowed to claim to be conservatives.

263 jwbaumann  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:48:50pm

re: #121 MandyManners

This is Bristow's reply to my e-mail to him, which is below.

Dear Leftist Freak,

I am thrilled that we had Nick Griffin speak at Michigan State University.

In Freedom,

Kyle Bristow


---------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------

Please, renounce your decision to host this anti-Semitic man at M.S.U..

Sincerely,

Concerned Lizard from LGF

Dang, he sure read you wrong. And doesn't he know how to treat a lady?

That little email plus Nick Griffin plus Ron Paul will quickly sink any political career he hoped to have.

264 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:49:44pm
265 Kevin SHook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:51:39pm

re: #259 doriangrey

You are so right! I remember taking a Russian history class and the professor tried to convince us that Stalin wasn't all that bad since the percentage of the Russian population that died by his hands was comparable or less than the percentage that died during Peter the Great's reign.

266 MJ  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:51:51pm

re: #261 shanec99

re: #215 MJ
Bro... don't start with the white black stuff.

People can say white people also invented Communism.
People can say that white people invented the Spanish inquisition.

Need I continue?

None of this matters, nor would it be relevant in any discussion.

Look we Americans are following in a tradition of democracy that reaches back to the the ancient Mediterranean and middle eastern cultures of enlightened government.

We Americans are heirs to a wonderful legacy, please let us not divide ourselves among racial lines and undermine what our founding fathers bequeathed us.

Might it be a bit much to ask that you actually read what I was commenting upon? The poster was banned, by the way.
I'm waiting for your apology.

267 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:53:37pm

re: #263 jwbaumann

Dang, he sure read you wrong. And doesn't he know how to treat a lady?

No, but he does know how to treat a female impersonator... ;)

268 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:56:37pm

In the last few days the events at this site, littlegreenfootballs.com, and the conduct of it's proprietor, heart, mind, and soul, Charles Johnson, has demonstrated, in the clear light of day, for any and all to see, precisely why this site, and said proprietor, are so well respected, and held in the highest esteem, by men and women of REASON.

Regarding the Swedish right wing racist groups, NO ATTACKS WERE MADE BY CHARLES JOHNSON AGAINST ANY GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL! Caution was urged, fundamental problems were pointed out, and a perfectly reasonable call to examine the situation was made.

In the matter of YAF, this examination was conducted by our community right before our eyes, and is still ongoing, and although trends seem apparent, NO CONCLUSION HAS YET BEEN CARVED IN STONE.

There has been NO LYNCHING at LGF, nor any other actions of hysterical MOB RULE!

This is one hell of a fine site, conducted, ruled, if you will, with an honorable sense of fairness, and a great store of integrity.

I salute ALL of you (except you, you sonofabitch, and you know who you are!), and especially you, Mr. Johnson.

I'm quite proud to be a part of this site, even if only in a small way.

Again, I salute you ALL!

269 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 6:59:20pm

re: #265 Kevin SHook

Yea, I saw that kind of cr@p in my sociology classes. Back them it was a watered down version of moral relativism. Now it seems to have grown to full blown socialist politically correct ideology. In stead of teaching our kids analytical methods of dissecting information the professors seem to be indoctrinating them with the tactical procedure of ideological opposition suppression.

270 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:02:43pm

re: #268 M. Bensson-Levi

Well. I can say that for myself I try to make a difference in the world here, in a limited way, such as I can at my point in lifee, with a wife and kids and being sort of too old to enlist in the Marines.

I long to see a world of love and caring and justice and virtue and understnding.

271 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:06:31pm

re: #166 Ginn

Remember the hymn.. Shall We Gather At The River?

Evidently some leeches (YAF) showed up too.

A "Stand By Me" reference?

272 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:06:54pm

re: #270 Ojoe


I long to see a world of love and caring and justice and virtue and understnding.

As would I dare say all the rest of us. Fortunately most of us also understand that achieving and preserving such a world requires the courage and fortitude to stand up and fight for what is right.

273 TalkinKamel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:08:11pm

#231 zmdavid

"What about right and wrong?"

I don't know---what about them?

As Mammy Yokum once said in the "Lil' Abner" comic strip, "Good is better than evil because it's nicer!"---which is pretty silly, but then, so are vague questions like "What about right and wrong?" (Jeez, talk about your "fuzzy" concepts! You want philosophical/religious stuff, try Gagdad bob's blog, "One Cosmos!")

In my post, my point was that I don't think either Communist-extremism or Nazi extremism are good. I think they are both bad. I think it is a mistake to use one to fight the other. And I feel pretty safe in calling them both "extreme", considering the havoc they wrought throughout the 20th Century, and the horrific number of people they killed. I agree with Charles in that, as Americans, we don't have to pick either one. We have our own way.

If that's too fuzzy for you, there's nothing I can do to make you understand.

274 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:08:56pm

I am certainly not ashamed to be a white male, even though that designation is hated so fiercely by the Left. But I have never primarily identified with my skin color. It's just no big deal to me. I work with a lot of different races in Silicon Valley's high tech industry and get along very well with Asians and Indians, great people with great senses of humor. Hispanics too, and I even have a young black female that I mentor. She's outrageously beautiful and educated and talented. She's married to a cop. Lucky bastard.

I have one close friend who is a Pakistani, a Muslim, also a beautiful woman, with whom I have worked on a number of projects. I love her, as a friend. In Pakistan, she would probably be stoned as a heretic for wearing modern American clothes and make up. No burquas for her.

And I love my Filipina wife, even with the toilet seat disagreement!

275 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:10:08pm

#190, #191

[re: Southern Poverty Law Center identifying the Michigan State chapter of YAF as a hate group]

SPLC has its own probelms, but interesting that they singled out a particular chapter, isn't it?

276 Underzog  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:10:20pm

People are going to accuse the Young American Foundation with the Young Americans for Freedom (both have initials YAF).

This is indeed bad news.

277 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:12:30pm

re: #276 Underzog

People are going to accuse the Young American Foundation with the Young Americans for Freedom (both have initials YAF).

This is indeed bad news.

I made a point of noting they were not the same groups, in bold, in my post.

278 Canadian Guy  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:20:07pm

re: #51 Mich-again

Muslim sympathizers shouting down a holocaust denier at a US campus.

The world has gone Topsy Turvy

Sounds like the next episode of Donahue

279 zmdavid  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:24:12pm

re: #273 TalkinKamel
I agree with your sentiments about becoming evil to fight evil.
I have some thoughts on overuse of the word "extreme" and used your post to try to generate conversation.
Extreme is the new bad, and moderate is the new good. I like what extreme used to mean "holding strong views", and I'll judge whether its bad or not separately.

When people say Communism, Nazism, and Islamofascism are extreme, they mean they are wrong. There may be moderate nazis, communists and islamofascists, but they're still wrong. This thinking clouds all our discourse. See US support for FATAH.

Unfortunately this is a hard battle to fight, and I sometimes use extreme and moderate when I mean bad and good.

280 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:25:57pm

re: #276 Underzog

I know. The YAF group that Jason Mattera heads is not as bad as Bristow's YAF group.

281 descolada9  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:27:17pm

The Paulian cult is starting to make the people who worship Al Gore tame.

282 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:35:47pm

re: #261 shanec99

And not to divide on racial lines and squander what the soldiers of the civil war bequeathed us.

Remember that then, the white people (enough of them) so valued the blacks that they died to see justice done and the blacks no longer slaves.

We should all be brothers nd sisters.

283 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:36:57pm

re: #273 TalkinKamel

The path of good contains a lot of fuzzy.

284 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:42:03pm

re: #272 doriangrey

re: #270 Ojoe



I long to see a world of love and caring and justice and virtue and understnding.

As would I dare say all the rest of us. Fortunately most of us also understand that achieving and preserving such a world requires the courage and fortitude to stand up and fight for what is right.

Understanding is a good thing, as is tolerance. But as Thomas Mann said, "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to Evil." I cannot tolerate any religion or political group that kills people because it hates their race or their religion. I don't care if a person is a Jew or a Hindu or a Buddhist, and I don't believe Jews or Hindus or Buddhists are going to Hell because they aren't Christians. So I wish Ann Coulter hadn't made her comments about Jews being "perfected."

I wouldn't give a hoot in hell about Muslims wearing funny clothes or praying five times a day or foregoing pork, even though I think it's delicious, as long as they were peaceful and tolerant of other relgions and cultures. I don't feel tolerant of them because, well, they kill people, lots and lots of people, indicriminately, men, women and children. And they have done so for centuries.

I think the Mormon religion is strange, but Mormons are mostly nice people and good citizens. I can tolerate them all day long. Not so for Jehovah's Witnesses, who kill children by withholding blood transfusions needed to save their lives. I find that religion despicable.

Extremism is, for me, two things: violence against others that has nothing to do with self-defense, and political oppression through totalitarianism and denial of freedom. Wel, maybe three: denial of equal rights of citizenship based on race, gender or religon.

I would also include sexual preference, but I am not ready to accept same-sex marriage, even though I have friends and relatives who are gay, though they are welcome in my house any time, and often visit.

285 Jeffersonian  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:43:16pm

This is jumping from the frying pan into the fire. And it's Young Americans for Freedom? Pardon me, but if your idea of freedom is a neo-fascist statism that is explicity racist, I'll take the jihadis.

286 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:47:42pm

re: #285 Jeffersonian

This is jumping from the frying pan into the fire. And it's Young Americans for Freedom? Pardon me, but if your idea of freedom is a neo-fascist statism that is explicity racist, I'll take the jihadis.

That's like saying you would take cancer over AIDS! :)

I was a member of YAF at San Jose State in the 1970's. We were Republicans and not racists and our leader was an Irish Catholic woman. She was a firebrand, let me tell you. Hated the Brits. I would infiltrate meetings of the Students for a Democratic Society and report their plans to the police! I'm luck I didn't get killed.

287 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:49:27pm

ornery elephant.....

Sitting here cogitating, after shutting down for the night.....and all of a sudden it occurred to me that my post to you could've been ambiguous.....it wasn't a criticism --it was a commendation, that you, having given up asking and explaining, peaceably began to post all those links instead............good job! :)

288 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:54:27pm

Get a load of this:

[Link: spartanspectator.blogspot.com...]

And they've published Mandy Manners' email address.

289 zmdavid  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:55:34pm

re: #286 Stogiechomper
See? You were an extremist. But you weren't wrong or evil.

Read this with my comment #279 and your comment #284 in mind.

290 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:56:02pm

re: #288 Charles

Oh crap. Watch out MandyManners. You've got some hate mail coming.

291 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 7:58:04pm

re: #289 zmdavid

re: #286 Stogiechomper
See? You were an extremist. But you weren't wrong or evil.

Read this with my comment #279 and your comment #284 in mind.

I don't follow your argument, but I am sure it is meant in a positive way. So I do not take offense.

292 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:00:56pm

re: #288 Charles

Wow...talk about deranged..........

293 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:04:54pm

re: #288 Charles

Poor Mandy! Thanks for reporting that Charles- I flagged them.

294 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:05:39pm

re: #288 Charles

Get a load of this:

[Link: spartanspectator.blogspot.com...]

And they've published Mandy Manners' email address.

I flagged the blog. I noticed the blog won't let just anyone post...all posts must be approved. Wonderful.

What a crock of crap.

Mandymanners, I'm so sorry.

295 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:05:39pm

re: #288 Charles

What did I just tell you about "paleoconservatives"? It's one of my posts above.

They're lunatics. I notice that one Lizard gave me a negative rating for describing them as such. You should put him on the watch list.

296 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:06:09pm

re: #288 Charles

Check out his newest entry. Someone obviously doesn't have enough homework!

297 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:07:19pm

re: #294 Highrise

re: #288 Charles


Get a load of this:

[Link: spartanspectator.blogspot.com...]

And they've published Mandy Manners' email address.


I flagged the blog. I noticed the blog won't let just anyone post...all posts must be approved. Wonderful.

What a crock of crap.

Mandymanners, I'm so sorry.


How do you flag a blog?

I wanna flag this blog too.

298 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:08:04pm

re: #288 Charles

Get a load of this:

[Link: spartanspectator.blogspot.com...]

Oh, that's hilarious!


And they've published Mandy Manners' email address.

Not hilarious.

(Note also, if you try to leave a comment, it has to be approved by the moderator.)

299 zmdavid  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:09:18pm

re: #291 Stogiechomper
Sorry to be obtuse, I was afraid of that. I'll try again. In the politically correct world, everything and everyone good is a moderate. These people use "extreme" as a polite word for "evil". They can't make judgments, so they call good things moderate and evil things extreme. I'm just trying to draw a distinction between the 2 concepts. There can be good and evil moderates and good and evil extremists.

300 markie  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:10:40pm

Sounds like he got LGF's bio from Kos. Or something. Not very accurate.

301 lennysquiggy  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:10:58pm

I guess this was bound to happen. Ron Paul supporters seem to have an undercurrent of "small government, protect the homeland" thinking to them. You know, underneath all the batshit craziness. This kid needs to know that a photo with a Conservative intellectual while wearing a cowboy hat doesn't make him anything more than a doofus in a cowboy hat.

Charles, I now understand why you were so eager to shift focus to the neo-Nazi wannabes. My bad.

302 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:11:27pm

re: #288 Charles

That page was incoherent.

303 ron paul  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:11:32pm

ron paul is so damn wasted, blame it on the dad gum hotel internet that wouldn't let im on

304 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:12:16pm

Opportunistic sociopaths.

305 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:13:28pm

Mandy, I flagged it too....for whatever effect that has..... :)
Love ya.

306 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:13:28pm

re: #299 zmdavid

re: #291 Stogiechomper
Sorry to be obtuse, I was afraid of that. I'll try again. In the politically correct world, everything and everyone good is a moderate. These people use "extreme" as a polite word for "evil". They can't make judgments, so they call good things moderate and evil things extreme. I'm just trying to draw a distinction between the 2 concepts. There can be good and evil moderates and good and evil extremists.

No problem bro! I see what you mean. Goldwater said something to that effect back in 1964.

307 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:14:23pm

re: #296 Kevin Shook

And notice the 40'/50's Soviet communists workers party styled artwork...

308 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:14:32pm

Nice Socialist Realism clip art he's got there.

(Also looks like he hasn't seen LGF since we got the spiffy Cox & Forkum makeover.)

309 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:15:19pm

re: #295 Stogiechomper

re: #288 Charles

What did I just tell you about "paleoconservatives"? It's one of my posts above.

They're lunatics. I notice that one Lizard gave me a negative rating for describing them as such. You should put him on the watch list.

That lunatic is no longer welcome to post at LGF.

310 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:15:19pm

re: #307 doriangrey

re: #296 Kevin Shook

And notice the 40'/50's Soviet communists workers party styled artwork...

I can't decide if he's trying to be ironic or moronic.

311 The Albatross  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:15:57pm

Pink Floyd Pulse..... Sorrow.
I saw them in the Superdome.

The sweet smell of a great sorrow lies over the land
Plumes of smoke rise and merge into the leaden sky:
A man lies and dreams of green fields and rivers,
But awakes to a morning with no reason for waking

He's haunted by the memory of a lost paradise
In his youth or a dream, he can't be precise
He's chained forever to a world that's departed
It's not enough, it's not enough

His blood has frozen & curdled with fright
His knees have trembled & given way in the night
His hand has weakened at the moment of truth
His step has faltered

One world, one soul
Time pass, the river rolls

It's not enough it's not enough
His hand has faltered
.... .... ......

And he talks to the river of lost love and dedication
And silent replies that swirl invitation
Flow dark and troubled to an oily sea
A grim intimation of what is to be

There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night
And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight
And silence that speaks so much louder that words,
Of promises broken

312 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:16:22pm

re: #307 doriangrey

Yeah, you got to love that! What a poser this guy is.

313 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:17:27pm

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan


You can flag the blog by the upper left corner..Flag Blog. See it?


Oh and one word for this crap..VINDICTIVE!

314 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:17:29pm

re: #309 Charles

However, neanderthals like me are OK.

As is Sasquatch, who, I think, would post here if he had a laptop in the forest.

315 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:18:34pm

Grunt. Snerk.

316 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:18:48pm

I'm surprised he doesn't have a signed picture with Pat Buchanan

317 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:19:15pm

re: #310 Dar ul Harb

I can't decide if he's trying to be ironic or moronic.

I think he's trying for ironic and merely achieving moronic...Reminds me of a line from a old science fiction novel, something to the effect of...they think the captain is an imbecile studying to be a moron and failing miserably.

318 TalkinKamel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:19:35pm

#279 zmdavid

So, just say what you mean. Quibbling about semantics is a waste of time.

319 Charles  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:22:34pm

Unfortunately, that little 'flag' button on Blogspot blogs does absolutely nothing. Blogspot/Google doesn't care about what happens on their blog hosting service. They should relabel that button the 'worthless chump' button.

320 RicGator  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:24:07pm

I just blogged about this between LGF and the Spartan Spectator here: I’ll let you decide...

322 The Albatross  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:24:35pm
323 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:26:47pm

re: #313 Highrise

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan


You can flag the blog by the upper left corner..Flag Blog. See it?


Oh and one word for this crap..VINDICTIVE!

Thanks. Done.

324 Andrew Ian Dodge  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:27:40pm

The BNP are neo-Nazis, which is ironic since so are many Islamists they sort of rail against. This group inviting Nick Griffin is pretty idiotic that is for sure. Then again Columbia University gets Madman Inadinnerjacket to come over for a big speech. What in fact is the difference?

325 Andrew Ian Dodge  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:29:06pm

She was a firebrand, let me tell you. Hated the Brits.

Oh so you were a front for the IRA. Now that is so much better!

326 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:29:13pm

re: #319 Charles

Unfortunately, that little 'flag' button on Blogspot blogs does absolutely nothing. Blogspot/Google doesn't care about what happens on their blog hosting service. They should relabel that button the 'worthless chump' button.

Charles, I have seen two friends of mine get their blogs flagged with a header message warning readers about "objectionable material." One was Islamic Evil and the other The Study of Revenge. They were both anti-Islamic sites. Islamic Evil shut down and moved to another blog provider. So the button does work, IF you are a conservative and critical of Islam. Seems that is par for the course with Google. That's why I use Ask.com now.

Both of those blogs are in my blog roll if you want to check them out.

327 allahakchew  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:30:51pm

re: #288 Charles

Get a load of this:

[Link: spartanspectator.blogspot.com...]

And they've published Mandy Manners' email address.


They are the ..deleted... of the earth.
I am still trying to get over their post on this

LGF = Traitors to Western Civilization


[Link: www.spartanspectator.com...]

328 mj  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:32:05pm

re: #326 Stogiechomper

"That's why I use Ask.com now".

But isn't that owned by the New York Times?
Not sure Google is any worse than the Times...

329 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:32:37pm

re: #319 Charles

They should relabel that button the 'worthless chump' button.

Or just sing "The Lumberjack Song", substituting "patriot" for "lumberjack", and the commie libs at Google and Blogspot will love you for it.

... do we have a SNDT yet? Looks like I'm ready for it, if my mind is coming up with that dreck.

330 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:33:30pm

Charles,

If you go to his blog now he has posted a graphic that claims LGF is a traitor to Western Civilization. I won't link to it, but its not too hard to find. Ha. He's been so bizzy getting his mug in photo opportunities with politicians to help him build cred for a future political career that he forgot about the part about actually learning anything. What a fool.

331 gman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:33:50pm

Did someone say "Send in the Clowns!"

Why are all of these whacko's coming out of the closet tonight?

The Spartan blog is filled with illogical nonsense.
It's just shrill babble unless there's logic behind it.

332 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:35:22pm

Oh I can't wait to see my neocon Spartan buddies at work Monday to tell them about this idiot. Right after I make fun of them for losing to Iowa.

333 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:37:09pm

Mandy, I posted a comment on that blog, at about 8:10 Pacific time.......and, when it did not appear in their comments section after more than 20 minutes, I sent an e-mail to that young man.........hope he heeds my appeal.....

334 Stogiechomper  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:38:25pm

re: #328 mj

re: #326 Stogiechomper

"That's why I use Ask.com now".

But isn't that owned by the New York Times?
Not sure Google is any worse than the Times...

I'm pretty sure Ask.com hasn't kicked any sites off its news crawler because they're conservatives. Google has done it a lot. Google is dedicated Leftist, and any use of an alternative hurts them...so I do it.

335 mj  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:38:53pm

Apparently Nick Griffin's "reputation," such as it is, took a terrible beating by being associated with the Young Americans for Freedom group at Michigan State.

336 allahakchew  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:41:35pm

I wonder how many other groups out there are not checking out their associates or others who know their associates...just sayin..

337 allahakchew  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:42:39pm

re: #330 Mich-again

Charles,

If you go to his blog now he has posted a graphic that claims LGF is a traitor to Western Civilization. I won't link to it, but its not too hard to find. Ha. He's been so bizzy getting his mug in photo opportunities with politicians to help him build cred for a future political career that he forgot about the part about actually learning anything. What a fool.

so sorry...I linked to it:(

338 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:45:13pm

re: #333 Ma Sands

I tried to post a comment that was critical but not insulting and he buried mine as well. Apparently he only posts comments that are pro-him. The rest of them get dumped. Niiiice. What a loser. His idea of "Freedom" means you are free to agree with him.

He's a bug on the windshield.

339 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:45:59pm

re: #326 Stogiechomper

Well that isn't surprising I guess. It takes loads of work to get jihadist videos off of youtube too and I've seen stuff exposing islam taken down.

340 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:47:47pm

re: #338 Mich-again

Well, since no comments are appearing, I am hoping that there is zero active readership there, and that Mandy will be spared.....

341 TalkinKamel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:48:09pm

#327 allahakchew

Gee, what nice people!

Makes me wanna run out right now, and support them!

/heh, heh, heh. . . I don't need no stinkin' tags!

342 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:48:53pm

He just put up a picture of Mandy's email saying "I hope you are not praying to Allah."

ROFLMAO!

Go Mandy!

343 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:49:12pm

Don't bother posting to the jerk....posts are by approval only. You can bet what that means hehe.

344 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:49:39pm

He's making a tactical error picking a fight with Lizard Nation about how to best preserve Western civilization.. And thats my entry for understatement of the year.

345 gman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:51:10pm

You have to wonder if Paleo is acting alone or with the support of everyone affiliated with the blog.

It's getting pretty late over in Michigan. I wonder if everyone knows this guy is at the wheel.

346 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:51:43pm

(Ha! Funny! :) --a comment was published.....a favorable-to-lgf comment.....and it disappeared after 2 seconds! :)

347 Iron Dave  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:56:38pm

Michigan State should be proud, proud, proud.

348 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 8:57:39pm

re: #345 gman

You have to wonder if Paleo is acting alone or with the support of everyone affiliated with the blog.

That was redundant.

349 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:03:51pm

Kyle Bristow's rant, the annotated edition:

The Little Green Footballs blog decided to condemn MSU-YAF for hosting Nick Griffin.

True enough.

In case you do not read Little Green Footballs, the blog is pro-Muslim,

Yeah, I guess that's why Charles has that ongoing series about "The Religion Of Peace Strikes Again In..."
and the "Religion of Misogyny" series, and well, the "Religion of Decapitation" series, and reported on the Jyllands-Posten Muhammed cartoon riots and the French intifada. Very sneaky, that.

left-wing,

Well, if you're standing over there by skinheads and Timothy McVeigh, we're probably a bit left-of-center.

politically correct,

O.K., so Charles doesn't let us use terms like [deleted] [deleted] and [deleted] but we can still say "Muslim". (Oh crap, we can't use that one either!?)

and basically a front for neoconservative foreign policy

You know what "neoconservative" means in this context, right? I think Mel Gibson said it best when he was drunk.

(instead of defending their culture, they want to build schools in the Anbar province).

Hey, we're the United States of America. We can do both.

They are basically a puppet of the multiculturalists and believe that Islam is not the enemy of Western civilization and Christendom.

Yeah, we're big fans of multicuturalism around here, all right.

[Continued]

350 konservo  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:05:02pm
351 gman  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:08:27pm

I wonder if Bristow and Paleo are one and the same. Notice how e-mails are being posted to website as soon as they are sent.

352 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:09:28pm

Comment posted....copied this one, in case it disappears:

baboy said...

You either have been grossly mislead (which I hope is the case), or are suffering from craniorectal inversion. Go read his blog. Nothing on there is pro-muslim. NADA. The biggest complaint he gets is that he is islamophobic, for pointing out the idiocy of the muslims.
Just because he doesn't believe in getting into bed with overt racists doesn't make him pro-muslim; he certainly isn't left wing.

Methinks your moRon Paulism is showing. Better tuck that back.
October 27, 2007 10:53 PM

353 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:15:06pm

re: #352 Ma Sands

Just seen that too.

:)

354 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:16:01pm

re: #352 Ma Sands

LOL. moRon Paul. I'll use that from now on. I used to think Ron Paul was not as bad as people made him out to be, but now I see he's kooky.

355 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:17:41pm

Yup. It disappeared.....

356 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:19:17pm

re: #355 Ma Sands

Yup. It disappeared.....

Now your email has been displayed.

Good for you trying to protect Mandy.

357 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:21:04pm

...and there blogs a testament to the wonders of the modern education system...

KARMA,
R

358 Mal' Rider  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:22:40pm

I think Ayn Rand may have seen these folks coming back in 1972 -

All kinds of people today call themselves “libertarians,” especially something calling itself the New Right, which consists of hippies, except that they’re anarchists instead of collectivists. But of course, anarchists are collectivists. Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet they want to combine capitalism and anarchism. That is worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism, because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. The anarchist is the scum of the intellectual world of the left, which has given them up. So the right picks up another leftist discard. That’s the Libertarian movement.

- Ayn Rand

Ayn Rand Institute

359 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:23:33pm

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

It seems he's not really taken seriously......perhaps it will not be a trial for her at all....what a relief that would be!

360 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:26:45pm

Did you know that LGF is a “pro-Muslim, left-wing blog?”
ROFLMAO!

Well, now we know what happened to that mysterious love-child Leni Riefenstahl had with Goebbels: He came to the US, changed his name to Bristow, and begat this little turd Kyle some 40 years or so later. It's a good thing he only inherited their methods and not their talent.

361 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:27:01pm

re: #359 Ma Sands

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

It seems he's not really taken seriously......perhaps it will not be a trial for her at all....what a relief that would be!


She said she deletes the hate mail anyway.

More comments on the Nazi site:

Goldwaterian said...
You seem like a smart guy, Kyle, and you seem to have arrived at most of the correct conclusions on policy.

One thing I can't figure out about you is, why do you display such a staggering lack of manners in your dealings with the general public?

October 27, 2007 11:09 PM


Paleoconservative said...
Except for Pat Buchanan, no one is perfect.

October 27, 2007 11:15 PM

362 konservo  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:27:21pm

re: #359 Ma Sands

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

It seems he's not really taken seriously......perhaps it will not be a trial for her at all....what a relief that would be!

Plus he's burying the email posts with... wait for it... Ron Paul Ads!

363 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:32:25pm

re: #359 Ma Sands

This is posted with your email:

Perhaps the bloggers at Little Green Footballs will go into hiding. They could hide with their Al Qaeda buddies. After all, as previously mentioned, LGF and Al Qaeda both hate Western civilization. They might get along well with one another in a cave.

Yup, OBL is just a laugh a minute at the yearly LGF parties.

364 allahakchew  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:36:20pm

re: #350 konservo

Update: Neocons at LGF Give Crap But Can't Take It

This guy is really a jerk.

A very awful hateful person....
snippet

Perhaps the bloggers at Little Green Footballs will go into hiding. They could hide with their Al Qaeda buddies. After all, as previously mentioned, LGF and Al Qaeda both hate Western civilization. They might get along well with one another in a cave.
365 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:38:14pm

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

Paleoconservative said...
Except for Pat Buchanan, no one is perfect.

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA oh boy.

/wipes eyes

366 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:38:43pm

I thought, from all of the hullabaloo, while his impact-capability was being discussed in this thread, that he was pretty scary........but, now I've looked at how his blog is getting on, for some reason I've utterly lost interest. He reminds me of one of those poll-scammers of Ron Paul's.....

/ :)

367 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:41:08pm

[Continuing with the annotated edition of Mr. Bristow's rant]

Only Bush-bots read the Little Green Footballs blog.

You obviously don't. Too busy hanging out at National Vanguard, I suppose. You missed some great threads, we're just agreeing all the time around here. (What, you think I'm gonna link to a Terri Schiavo thread? I already mentioned Mel Gibson, for goodness sakes!)

Instead of writing about threats to Western civilization, the LGF blog has recently attacked organizations who are fighting the culture war by doing more than just posting stuff on a blog that only like-minded people read.

Of course LGF does write about threats to Western civilization quite a bit, but one can only do so many stories about left-wing bias in the media. And isn't LGF being show prep for Rush Limbaugh enough? What do you want Charles to do, take down Dan Rather (like that'll happen!)?

By the way, Mr. Bristow, you'd really have more comments on your blog if you allowed posting without approval. Just ask Bobby Calvan, super-genius of Knight Ridder. Haven't heard of him? Well, I hadn't heard of you either, until this evening. But this is your big chance! Make the most of it!

Many of the comments on the LGF blog are critical of Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, and paleoconservatism. If you are not a big government, globalist, middle-class-hating, promoter of economic treason, then LGF doesn't like you.

Where are we on economics and big government, lizards? Remind me here. And believe me, we do get a lot of entertainment value out of Ron Paul. Buchanan, not so much.

LGF and Al Qaeda both have something in common: they hate Western civilization and those who stand up for it.

Hey, now we're in bed with Al Qaeda? Man, those Zionist overlords sure are crafty. Anyway, CAIR is a bunch of whiners.

368 McNug  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:41:22pm

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

Paleoconservative said...
Except for Pat Buchanan, no one is perfect.

October 27, 2007 11:15 PM

Okay, that settles it. Kyle Bristow must be a performance artist putting us all on. There is no other plausible explanation at all.

In any case, it just doesn't seem right somehow for Ma Sands and Mandy to be singled out, so I just sent him an email demanding to have my email address displayed on his blog. That's how confident I am that this guy is completely impotent.

369 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:41:40pm

re: #365 Highrise

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan


Paleoconservative said...
Except for Pat Buchanan, no one is perfect.

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA oh boy.

/wipes eyes


Ron Paul isn't perfect?

370 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:44:49pm
They could hide with their Al Qaeda buddies. After all, as previously mentioned, LGF and Al Qaeda both hate Western civilization.

Hmmm, yet it is Kyle and his fellow Paulistinians who want to withdraw from the fight.
Having actually shot it out with AQ terrorists in Iraq, I could find reasonable grounds for offense at his drivel but that would be like giving a sputtering Chihuahua the same response as a rabid Dobermann.

371 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:44:53pm

re: #366 Ma Sands

I thought, from all of the hullabaloo, while his impact-capability was being discussed in this thread, that he was pretty scary........but, now I've looked at how his blog is getting on, for some reason I've utterly lost interest. He reminds me of one of those poll-scammers of Ron Paul's.....

/ :)

He reminds me of Markos Moulitsas Zuniga in a Nazi uniform.

372 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:45:29pm

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan


Ron Paul isn't perfect?

Maybe we should have him explain that one in depth. Watching him stutter through it would be fun :) .

373 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:46:14pm

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

[Link: www.kylebristow.com...]

[Link: www.michiganmessenger.com...]

Worked three years in a McDonald's? Lucky for him he's got a job skill to fall back on after he graduates, because he might have a hard time finding work in the rest of the real world after this...

Over 4 million comments. Over 100,000 page views a day. You picked the wrong blog and the wrong Mandy Manners to mess with, little boy.

RED
DOT,
R

374 allahakchew  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:47:36pm

re: #370 Shiplord Kirel

They could hide with their Al Qaeda buddies. After all, as previously mentioned, LGF and Al Qaeda both hate Western civilization.

Hmmm, yet it is Kyle and his fellow Paulistinians who want to withdraw from the fight.
Having actually shot it out with AQ terrorists in Iraq, I could find reasonable grounds for offense at his drivel but that would be like giving a sputtering Chihuahua the same response as a rabid Dobermann.

so true..lol...

375 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:49:43pm

A couple of years ago, I was shouted down for warning about residual antisemitism on the right, especially from paleo-cons.

Sometimes, I really hate being proven right.

376 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:54:26pm

Does pipsqueak fuhrer Nick Griffin know that he is associating with this kind of disreputable element?

Won't it cause further damage to the BNP's tolerant, calm, forthright image? Maybe somebody should warn them.
/sarc

377 hazzyday  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:56:25pm

Ahh it just took one glance at Kyle's blog work and his replies to Mandy to realize he is just some snot nosed kid without a hankerchief. Forgot to grow some balls. Pretty useless stuff. He wasted his 15 seconds of fame. He is better off getting a job, education is being wasted on him.

378 canadianally  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:57:13pm

Whacked out supremacists on one side. Spaced out leftists on the other. And a smirking jihadi straight up ahead. I like a good scrap.

OT: The world today is so utterly different than when I was in university in the 1980s. BTW, does anyone here know Kimball?

379 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:58:09pm

re: #351 gman

I wonder if Bristow and Paleo are one and the same. Notice how e-mails are being posted to website as soon as they are sent.

Well, of course they are.
He's a "Freedom-Fighter" Pol-Groupie Army Of One!

380 MrArchieBunker  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:58:26pm

Ah jeez, the little stooge has a photo of him with the President of the 'Young America's Foundation'. This juvenile fool has no idea of the damage he may do. I haven't had time to post anything in depth on this topic (I still respect Pamela, but she has a made a tactical mistake) , but Charles is correct here. Wm. F. Buckley faced the same dilemma in the 50's and early 60's when he disavowed race baiter's and segregationists and urged the conservative mainstream to do likewise. One must always be careful about the company one keeps.

381 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 9:59:52pm

re: #378 canadianally

Which one? :)

382 canadianally  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:02:57pm

re: #381 Ma Sands

EQ

383 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:04:19pm

re: #381 Ma Sands

Ma, you're my hero of the week. If there was a LGF medal for heroism, and it was in my power to do so, I'd bestow it upon you.

{MA SANDS},
R

384 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:04:30pm

re: #378 canadianally

Wasn't Mr Kimball the scatterbrained guy from Green Acres?

385 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:06:24pm

re: #380 MrArchieBunker

(I still respect Pamela, but she has a made a tactical mistake)

She's since apologized for her choice of words.

386 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:07:56pm

re: #383 Render

Ha! You're funny. :) I try to get some excitement and it falls flat on its face.....sigh.....):


/ :)

387 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:11:37pm

re: #385 Dar ul Harb

From your link...

In Holland, the mark of combat-readiness is when you say to yourself "I am a racist". It is a declaration of independence, that you will be free from the Leftist taunts that are meant to bind you into inaction.

Bullshit. Thats nonsense. And please tell our old friend Pamela to tell her EuroNazi buddies to stop alluding to the Declaration of Independence when they make racist proclamations like that.

388 hazzyday  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:13:02pm

Or Atlas asks someone else to do her work for her.

Diana West who accuses us of being sloppy has her own sloppy reply here that was poorly thought out.

[Link: dianawest.net...]

Since there ARE questions VB needs this kind of looking. They will be strong for it or reveal themselves as a batch of MSU kyles.

389 allahakchew  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:14:07pm

re: #379 Dar ul Harb

re: #351 gman


I wonder if Bristow and Paleo are one and the same. Notice how e-mails are being posted to website as soon as they are sent.

Well, of course they are.
He's a "Freedom-Fighter" Pol-Groupie Army Of One!

I didn't know George Washington was still alive......no really.....he had his picture taken with him I tell ya....:)

390 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:14:07pm

Note that it was "pro-immigrant" activists (Mecha etc.) who took the lead in shouting down fuhrer Griffin. I guess Santa Ana's army can finally claim a worthwhile victory.

391 MrArchieBunker  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:14:09pm

re: #385 Dar ul Harb Thanks Dar, I haven't been to Atlas Shrugs in the last few day's. She does fantastic work. In this case, she should have walked around the block a time or 2 before she hit 'enter'

392 canadianally  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:21:36pm

re: #384 Mich-again

I think you may be right. :-) All this talk of neo-Nazis and jihadis, while necessary, inspired me to try to seek someone on this board from a while ago. Someone who knows of someone named Kimball. I was throwing out some lizard food to see if anyone may know. LOL

Back on topic though, up here in Canada we don't have too much of a movement like this YAF or Stormfront, that I'm aware of. Our yahoos are up in the forests and we don't see them too much in the cities (not that there is anything wrong with forest-dwelling citizens). Thankfully. 99% of our moonbats hail from the collectives.

Unfortunately though, I must support the right of this BNP character to speak. It is the inappropriate linking of these characters to anything remotely associated with a conservative movement that I find offensive. And it appears there are two YAFs so is someone trying to slander someone else?

393 doubleplusundead  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:25:33pm

I'm glad Charles and the commenters here are taking a strong stand against these fascist groups, their speakers and their enablers this week.

Charles, I haven't been on LGF long, but I'm glad you're using your high profile and clout to smack these fascist punks down, and I totally support and agree with you, we don't need to ally with them.

394 tommoon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:27:13pm

Stunning, LGF is the standard for conservative values and in the belief that Israel has the right to exist. If these others, and I find them as phony as hell, don't like us, then I am comfortable with that.

395 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:28:53pm

When YAF got listed on the hate list, Kyle Bristow went into damage control...

In a letter, Young Americans for Freedom Chairman Kyle Bristow issued a media strategy to members of his organization to control press coverage.

1. All media questions regarding the hate group status go directly to Professor Allen at first until we establish that the media won't spin it.

2. Prevent all dissent in YAF from appearing in the media. If we are seen as being divided, then the media will argue that I am a whack job, even by YAF standards. This will hurt us more than anything.

3. I will mention how mainstream YAF is — Ronald Reagan was the honorary chairman, Sen. John Tower was a member, Barry Goldwater's supporters started it and Dan Quayle was a member.

4. I will mention that we support the ideas of the great majority of America. Most of America believes in the sanctity of marriage, want to secure our borders, oppose affirmative action and believe that abortion is wrong. If these views make me a hateful person, then I am proud of it. People at LI (Leadership Institute) suggest that we make a mockery of the whole thing by pointing this out.

5. If The State News mentions that you saw the "evil of YAF's ways" or something, all I can do is have you talk to them (only with my permission.) ... You cannot apologize for anything YAF has done, cannot say bad things about me, cannot say that YAF is divided on any issues and cannot say that we need to do things in a better way. Any of these items can be twisted around to make us look bad. Regardless of whether or not The State News takes interest in the Between the Lines or City Pulse article, you must not speak to the media unless you have my permission (not even on your own behalf because it still represents the group). Don't even tell them the time or day of the week without my permission.

396 Ma Sands  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:34:09pm

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

Wow.

397 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:34:46pm

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

You cannot apologize for anything YAF has done, cannot say bad things about me, cannot say that YAF is divided on any issues and cannot say that we need to do things in a better way. Any of these items can be twisted around to make us look bad. Regardless of whether or not The State News takes interest in the Between the Lines or City Pulse article, you must not speak to the media unless you have my permission (not even on your own behalf because it still represents the group). Don't even tell them the time or day of the week without my permission.

The boy has some control issues. The media lefties up there are going to eat his liver. I am tempted to send them a bottle of tabasco sauce.

398 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:36:31pm

"...then the media will argue that I am a whack job..."

I'm not the media, and I'm not arguing.

You, Kyle Bristow, are a fucking Grade A whack job.

USDA,
R

399 doubleplusundead  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:42:02pm

re: #397 Shiplord Kirel

The boy has some control issues. The media lefties up there are going to eat his liver. I am tempted to send them a bottle of tabasco sauce Chianti.

I'm sure they can scrounge up some fava beans on their own...

Heh, sorry, had make the Silence of the Lambs line. Couldn't resist.

400 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:44:16pm

Okay - firstly - I am not trying to whitewash BNP, but for some context it's worth knowing that the group and its leader have "renounced" racism and seemingly made efforts to expunge the Nazis from their party. Moves for which they've received heavy condemnation from former friends in the white nationalist movement.

It could be argued that these moves were window dressing - making themselves look sellable and mainstream - as they hope to grab the ground that the Conservative Party should be occupying.

Or maybe they are sincere.

I do know that Griffin has spent a lot of time in the middle east, studying Islam, in order to understand the background to the problems it presents us.

I also know that the BNP would not be successful if the Conservative Party were tough on terrorism and immigration, instead of pissing around pretending to be Al Gore.

401 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:45:44pm

Cripes...

Somebody needs to warn David Horowitz about this. The little douchbag is sure to use him badly otherwise.

STAINED
CLASS,
R

402 stevieray  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:49:28pm

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

Nice find! If I'm reading between the lines of his letter correctly, he is facing some ongoing internal disputes about his leadership, character, and goals.

Good. I hope some rational conservatives oust his paleo butt and scour away his tainted legacy.

403 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:49:41pm

re: #385 Dar ul Harb

re: #380 MrArchieBunker

(I still respect Pamela, but she has a made a tactical mistake)

She's since apologized for her choice of words.

Maybe you missed this. Oh- and this. You know- real apologies are backed up with actions, I haven't seen any yet from her, so- give me a break.

404 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:50:07pm

re: #399 doubleplusundead

I posted this before I saw your message. Great minds, etc.

405 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:51:52pm

re: #400 uptight

Any party leader that does what they did to mandymanners tonight and also is PROUD that they wanted a holocaust denier to come talk for them and holds up the people they do on their site.......

has a severe issue. I'd distance myself from those jokers in a heartbeat.

406 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:54:10pm

Also Nick Griffin was prosecuted in an Islamophobia show trial after he made comments about Islam & Mohammed being violent. He won the case and was acquitted.

In doing so, he achieved a vital victory for freedom of speech (and the ability to tell the truth about Islam).

407 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:58:32pm

re: #400 uptight

Okay - firstly - I am not trying to whitewash BNP

Frankly- anytime I hear that phrase I assume that's what's going on.

408 tommoon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:59:55pm

I also know that the BNP would not be successful if the Conservative Party were tough on terrorism and immigration, instead of pissing around pretending to be Al Gore.

You really have to be serious in dealing with racist. They will use each and every excuse to justify their beliefs. If you join in because of our not being tough enough on terrorism or illegal immigration then maybe you need to pay more attention to what is happening. If you ever go to one of these meeting look around and see who is standing next to you. It is scary. I have looked and I will never go back.

409 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 10:59:57pm

getting late...nite folks!

410 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:00:44pm

re: #406 uptight

How is this suppose to square what I said in 405? Were you aware of what was said in the article and what he did to mandy tonight?

If you were aware, what you are posting is indeed whitewashing, imo.

411 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:05:02pm

re: #407 Sharmuta

re: #400 uptight

Okay - firstly - I am not trying to whitewash BNP

Frankly- anytime I hear that phrase I assume that's what's going on.

well that's because of our mutual "political correctness" paranoia.

I have to issue a disclaimer and you freak out when you see a disclaimer.

In reality, all I'm doing is adding some context. BNP are not straightforward, dyed in the wool, Neo-Nazis. They were, but in recent years they have been re-branding themselves. The question is - are they sincere or is this just window dressing?

412 canadianally  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:07:09pm

re: #406 uptight

Also Nick Griffin was prosecuted in an Islamophobia show trial after he made comments about Islam & Mohammed being violent. He won the case and was acquitted.

In doing so, he achieved a vital victory for freedom of speech (and the ability to tell the truth about Islam).

>

Linky?

413 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:07:51pm

re: #411 uptight

How is pointing that out, me "freaking out"?

I tell you what does freak me out though- you making apologies for a Holocaust denier. Dude- you stink.

414 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:08:36pm

Ha'Eretz interviews Nick Griffin

Griffin, who was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in April 1998, has called the Holocaust "the hoax of the 20th century" and coauthored a pamphlet alleging that a Jewish conspiracy controls the media, where it provides an "endless diet of pro-multiracial, pro-homosexual, anti-British trash."

But Griffin insists that he did not allege that there's a Jewish conspiracy. "That's absolutely out of the question. What the pamphlet says, and what everybody recognizes, is that especially in America, the Zionist lobby is massively powerful and influential....But also in Britain, if you look at the funding and influence in the Labour Party - again, there's a disproportionate number of Jews involved in that. But that is not to say that either a Jewish conspiracy or that Jews are involved or to blame."

Griffin says the illustration on the cover of the New Statesman showing a Jewish star piercing the Union Jack "a vulgar piece of artwork... I can imagine that to Jews it was thoroughly shocking, and I wouldn't have used it, not least because if we had used it we would be in court for incitement for racial hatred".

But what about the issue of the Holocaust as "the hoax of the 20th century?"

"Fundamentally, I would say that it is something from the 20th century... I am exasperated by the way it was used as a moral club to beat anyone in the Western world who wanted to preserve the Western world. It is an absurd position to use that... I think it is also becoming or should be becoming clear to Jews around the world that basing a large part of one's claim to anything, and basing one's politics in relations to the rest of the world on death camps, is fine until you have a Jenin. And then the moral high ground is no longer there. And I think it is time to put the whole thing behind us."

Griffin argues that the active role the Jews played in such movements as "egalitarianism, feminism, [and] Marxism, of course" served the "perceived Jewish self-interest in breaking up a Western society, making it less homogenous, on the basis that a less homogenous society is less likely to identify the Jews as different... So therefore I understand, and I have changed my position over the years in the sense that I can see from the Jewish perspective, how Jews felt having been persecuted, and why they have a sense of insecurity and fear.

"Now, I think that we are at a point where if white nationalists can understand and forgive that, and if similarly Jews can be less - I should be blunt - paranoid about any manifestation of white nationalism ... it doesn't mean that we want to exterminate you, any more then you want to exterminate us.

"The problem is the pure hypocrisy we get from significant number of Jews who when they are talking about Jewish things, say `yes, we want to preserve ourselves'. Now, I got a suspended sentence for incitement to racial hatred, for saying effectively precisely the same thing about my people, and that's the problem; it appears to be an hypocrisy where it is fine by the Jews, that's good when they want it, but when gentiles want it, that means that they want to exterminate people and establish a fourth Reich. It is simply not like that. We want the same.

"If both sides can give a little bit, then I think that particularly after the September 11 events, I believe that Jews have no choice: they either back the West and accept our right to preserve ourselves as the overall majority or the Jews will vanish, because the alternative is only West or Islam... And it the West goes down, so do the Jews.

415 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:09:06pm

re: #411 uptight

It may be prejudice on my part, but I have a hard time trusting any person or group that "formerly" was a Holocaust denier.

416 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:09:50pm

re: #411 uptight

The question is - are they sincere or is this just window dressing?


You have this question still after what has been said in this thread?

Again, you seem to want to ignore what he just said back to and did to mandymanners tonight and ignore what he said to a paper about knowing the background of a holocaust denier.

417 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:11:21pm

re: #414 uptight

We don't want his propaganda here, troll.

418 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:12:57pm

re: #413 Sharmuta

re: #411 uptight

How is pointing that out, me "freaking out"?

I tell you what does freak me out though- you making apologies for a Holocaust denier. Dude- you stink.

see

SEE?

This is EXACTLY the sort of paranoid, "freaking out" shit I was talking about!

Thanks for proving a point!

All I was doing was bringing more information into the discussion.

For your information I am not a BNP supporter and I would never vote for them, but say anything even vaguely neutral, factual or lacking a condemnation and a bunch of politically correct jerkoffs want to lynch you.

Hence the disclaimer about "not wanting to whitewash them".

Adults should be able to discuss issues without leaping to emotional conclusions. Otherwise we just like leftists who rush to call you a racist, the moment you mention anything about Islam.

419 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:15:50pm

re: #418 uptight

Uh- yeah. You're making apologies for a Holocaust denier. That's freaky.

420 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:15:59pm

re: #418 uptight


But you ARE whitewashing.

This just in........

dog poop smells.

421 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:16:53pm

re: #414 uptight

If you replace the name Nick Griffin and with "DinnerJacket," I could easily see that interview being printed in the New York Times today.

422 Render  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:18:03pm

uh-huh.

Uptight, if you put #414 up here to defend BNP or Nick Griffin of anti-semitism, it backfired.

BADLY,
R

423 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:19:38pm

re: #416 Highrise

re: #411 uptight

The question is - are they sincere or is this just window dressing?


You have this question still after what has been said in this thread?

Again, you seem to want to ignore what he just said back to and did to mandymanners tonight and ignore what he said to a paper about knowing the background of a holocaust denier.

1) It wasn't the BNP who sent that email to MandyManners

2) It is the BNP's past statements and allegiances that stops me supporting them. I suspect that they are still Nazis and are just using our natural fear of Islamism to promote themselves. I just wish the Conservative Party owned the policy on terrorism, instead of Griffin.

3) I am only trying report the issue - i.e. that the BNP is trying to re-position itself. I am doing so in a non-emotional way, factual way. If you or sharmuta can't cope, then that's your problem.

424 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:22:12pm

re: #423 uptight

You're trying to whitewash a Holocaust denier.

425 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:22:49pm

re: #415 Kevin Shook

re: #411 uptight

It may be prejudice on my part, but I have a hard time trusting any person or group that "formerly" was a Holocaust denier.

It's not prejudice. I also have a hard time trusting any person or group that "formerly" was a Holocaust denier. Especially as he's trying to weasel out of it now - by just saying he "questions the numbers".

I'd respect honesty, even more.

426 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:23:11pm

re: #423 uptight

I can admit when I'm wrong, I got the names confused.


But you still are trying to whitewash a holocaust denier.

427 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:25:45pm

re: #425 uptight

I'd respect honesty, even more.

So- you'd respect him more if he was open about denying the Holocaust?

428 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:26:05pm

Definition of whitewash:

to cover up or gloss over the faults or errors of; absolve from blame.

429 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:26:18pm
It could be argued that these moves were window dressing - making themselves look sellable and mainstream - as they hope to grab the ground that the Conservative Party should be occupying.

Or maybe they are sincere.

This is your idea of non-emotional and factual?

430 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:27:11pm

re: #424 Sharmuta

re: #423 uptight

You're trying to whitewash a Holocaust denier.

No - you are

You're the one standing up for the Nazis. You are the one denying the holocaust!

Demagogue me and I'll demagogue you back.

please start reading my posts before you react to them

idiot

431 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:27:36pm

I question uptights honesty.

432 tommoon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:29:14pm

Uptight

I am only trying report the issue - i.e. that the BNP is trying to re-position itself. I am doing so in a non-emotional way, factual way. If you or sharmuta can't cope, then that's your problem.

If non-emotional is what you seek, then you are dealing with the wrong two. That said, BNP is what it is, it cannot re-position itself.

433 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:29:57pm

re: #430 uptight

Wow! You're the one who said he'd won a victory for free speech, not me.

434 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:30:19pm

re: #429 Kevin Shook

It could be argued that these moves were window dressing - making themselves look sellable and mainstream - as they hope to grab the ground that the Conservative Party should be occupying.Or maybe they are sincere.

This is your idea of non-emotional and factual?

well...yes.

now it appears "I am whitewashing" Griffin if I don't issue a polemic against him every two lines

435 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:30:52pm

re: #432 tommoon

I suggest you stay out of it.

436 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:31:48pm

re: #433 Sharmuta

re: #430 uptight

Wow! You're the one who said he'd won a victory for free speech, not me.

again - fact

it doesn't mean I support him

it doesn't mean I am whitewashing him

it does mean I can stand up in public and say that Mohammed was "a violent warlord" without fearing prosecution

437 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:32:20pm

re: #406 uptight

Also Nick Griffin was prosecuted in an Islamophobia show trial after he made comments about Islam & Mohammed being violent. He won the case and was acquitted.

In doing so, he achieved a vital victory for freedom of speech (and the ability to tell the truth about Islam).

This is what I call a whitewash. And canadianally asked you for a linky.

438 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:32:35pm

re: #431 Kevin Shook

I question uptights honesty.

Islamofascist

439 tommoon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:33:28pm

Sharmuta,

I told you once before, I say what I want. This is not yet you, blog.

440 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:37:41pm

re: #439 tommoon

I say what I want too, and I don't answer to you.

441 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:37:46pm

Uptight made the following statement:

It is the BNP's past statements and allegiances that stops me supporting them.

Now it could be argued that this statement is just window dressing - Uptight making himself look mainstream and sellable after touting Nick Griffin.

Or he could be sincere.

442 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:38:22pm

re: #427 Sharmuta

re: #425 uptight

I'd respect honesty, even more.

So- you'd respect him more if he was open about denying the Holocaust?

I respect honesty as a general principle. With holocaust denial, it is an impossible moral challenge to discriminate between an open holocaust denier and a closet, dishonest holocaust denier.

It's like asking what flavour poison I'd like to take - sugar coated poison disguised as chocolate or ordinary poison. Well If I have to take poison, I'd prefer to know about it in advance.

443 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:38:57pm

re: #438 uptight

WOW! You questions one's honesty and you are called an Islamofascist! Are you sure you aren't a member of YAF?

444 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:40:04pm

re: #441 Kevin Shook

Uptight made the following statement:

It is the BNP's past statements and allegiances that stops me supporting them.

Now it could be argued that this statement is just window dressing - Uptight making himself look mainstream and sellable after touting Nick Griffin.

Or he could be sincere.

here's another statement:

You, Kevin Shook, are a total arsehole

now

am I being sincere or just window dressing?

twat

445 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:41:18pm

re: #442 uptight

With holocaust denial, it is an impossible moral challenge to discriminate between an open holocaust denier and a closet, dishonest holocaust denier.

What?!

446 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:41:55pm

re: #443 Kevin Shook

re: #438 uptight

WOW! You questions one's honesty and you are called an Islamofascist! Are you sure you aren't a member of YAF?

If you want to throw stupid accusations at me, what do you want me to throw back? Lollypops.

447 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:42:22pm

re: #442 uptight

With holocaust denial, it is an impossible moral challenge to discriminate between an open holocaust denier and a closet, dishonest holocaust denier.

So- Holocaust deniers now come in shades of grey?

448 tommoon  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:42:55pm

Sharmuta,

Good grief you are so childish. I agree with you on most issues, yet you really get on my nerves. Where have I ever said for you to answer to me?

449 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:43:09pm

re: #444 uptight

Is there a problem? I'm just being, how did you put it? Oh. Un-emotional and factual.

450 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:43:33pm

GAZE

451 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:45:37pm

re: #445 Sharmuta

re: #442 uptight

With holocaust denial, it is an impossible moral challenge to discriminate between an open holocaust denier and a closet, dishonest holocaust denier.

What?!

jesus wept

This could go on all day. If you can't understand what I'm saying, then that's your problem. I'm not wasting any more time on you or Kevin.

452 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:48:57pm

re: #451 uptight

No- it's your problem. Shades of Holocaust denial? You either are or you are not a Holocaust denier. There is no "moral challenge to discriminate" for me.

453 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:49:16pm

re: #446 uptight

I didin't accuse you of anything. All I stated was that I questioned your honesty. You give accolades to Nick Griffin for "defending free speech" and print his slimy interview and then a few more rounds of comments you claim not to support Nick Griffin or BNP. I don't think I'm being an arse for questioning your honesty, I'm being reasonable.

454 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:50:30pm

re: #451 uptight

Whatever you say, Kyle.

455 uptight  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:51:23pm

BTW - Kevin and Sharmuta, you are acting in EXACTLY the same way as Leftists do, when they close down any discussion about Islam. Bring up anything that they don't get, they'll brand you an Islamophobe before even listening to what you say. Great tactic.

456 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:52:31pm

re: #455 uptight

You want to talk about islam?

457 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:54:45pm

re: #454 Kevin Shook

LMAO!

458 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:55:05pm

Don't Pet This Kitty!

/just a bad idea

459 Kevin Shook  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:58:35pm

Uptight - How have I closed down any discussion? Have I called you a racist or a Nazi? No. Did I blow you off by making a statement that I'm not going to waste any more time on you? No. I just don't see how some one who calls himself the "Evil Zionist" can be "un-emotional and factual" about BNP and Nick Griffin. Are things so bad in the UK that you have to ally yourself with that ilk?

460 Highrise  Sat, Oct 27, 2007 11:59:23pm

re: #453 Kevin Shook

Leftists don't like to deal with definitions either I notice....perhaps that is why uptight doesn't think he's whitewashing this.

461 uptight  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:02:50am

re: #453 Kevin Shook

re: #446 uptight

I didin't accuse you of anything. All I stated was that I questioned your honesty. You give accolades to Nick Griffin for "defending free speech" and print his slimy interview and then a few more rounds of comments you claim not to support Nick Griffin or BNP. I don't think I'm being an arse for questioning your honesty, I'm being reasonable.

okay - one last try

1) I wasn't giving Griffin "accolades for defending free speech", I was telling the truth. His acquittal set a legal precedent that means that I can speak about Islam.

2) I posted his interview because it sheds more light on his views about the Jews. As far as I'm concerned it makes Griffin look worse.

Again- just adding more information.

But because you and someone else can't immediately understand, I get demagogued. Your assume I am a BNP supporter. Your stupidity annoys me. I am human.

462 Render  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:03:08am

Enough.

===

[Link: www.stormfront.org...]

"Just to let all SFers know that if anyone's interested, there's to be a demo on Friday the 26th Oct (that's this Friday) in London by the group Stop the Islamification of Europe. If you want to be there and add your voice and number to the protest against the islamific defilement of our beautiful country and continent, turn up at Whitehall Place at 12pm. The SIOE organisers want to keep this as above-board as possible so's the fuzz don't have any excuse to do what the Belgians did on Sept 11th in Brussels and ban the demo, so we're not allowed to be too noisy about any BNP/NF support we might have. This time.

Even if SIOE isn't your cup of tea, we all know our stalinist leaders and media whores only pay attention to numbers, so just turning up will be something. Plus, a great chance to meet like-minded people (I hope) and the only group I know of that's doing this kind of thing.

I just hope something more defined and pro-white, pro-white-European comes of the SIOE thing. They must be playing it like this in order to play safe, I think. I hope."

===

Anymore defending of these shitbags on this board gets reported by me.

UNDERSTOOD?,
R

463 uptight  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:04:00am

re: #459 Kevin Shook

Uptight - How have I closed down any discussion? Have I called you a racist or a Nazi? No. Did I blow you off by making a statement that I'm not going to waste any more time on you? No. I just don't see how some one who calls himself the "Evil Zionist" can be "un-emotional and factual" about BNP and Nick Griffin. Are things so bad in the UK that you have to ally yourself with that ilk?

leftist tactics

464 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:05:23am

re: #462 Render

Knew we could count on you. :)

465 Highrise  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:05:27am

re: #463 uptight

Troll

466 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:06:42am

re: #463 uptight

You're the one who called Kevin an "islamofacsist" for asking a reasoned question.

467 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:08:30am
468 leepro  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:10:10am

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

Delusions of grandeur. One of the first signs of an active alcoholic.

/just sayin'

469 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:10:38am

re: #465 Highrise

Have you checked out his/her blog?

/seems to be on our side, but hey, carry on

470 Render  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:12:15am

re: #469 Killian Bundy

I was wondering about that too...

WTH?,
R

471 Highrise  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:12:57am

re: #466 Sharmuta

I think troll really defines this guy/gal..it.

472 Kevin Shook  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:14:28am

re: #461 uptight


I (and probably some others) assumed you were a BNP supporter because you were far from forthcoming about whether or not you did support them. You dispassionately stated facts and then quoted Griffin's interview without any statement of what you thought of it. And when you finally did state your opinion, you qualified it with a lament about the wussiness of British Conservatives. If I had done the same thing about some Islamofascists, what would you have thought?

473 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:14:39am

re: #469 Killian Bundy

Looks can be deceiving. People lie. This guy posted an interview of a Holocaust denier and immediately yelled that he was being attacked when he was questioned for it. Kevin's posts are enough to prove this.

474 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:16:09am

re: #470 Render

Labeling.

/and once they sink their teeth in . . .

475 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:16:18am

re: #471 Highrise

His history smells like moby.

476 Highrise  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:17:22am

re: #475 Sharmuta

re: #471 Highrise

His history smells like moby.

It wouldn't surprise me either.

This isn't the first, second, third, fourth......time he/she has done this.

477 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:17:46am

re: #470 Render

See #414.

478 Kevin Shook  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:18:22am

So his link to EvilZionist is a ruse?

479 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:18:28am

re: #473 Sharmuta

re: #469 Killian Bundy

Looks can be deceiving. People lie. This guy posted an interview of a Holocaust denier and immediately yelled that he was being attacked when he was questioned for it. Kevin's posts are enough to prove this.

/do we not want to know what Holocaust deniers are saying, for the record?

480 tommoon  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:21:23am

One must stand in the shadows and not venture forth. They have sharp knives and will sink them in the flesh of the unbeliever and banish him forth into the troll land of the vanquished.

481 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:24:03am
With holocaust denial, it is an impossible moral challenge to discriminate between an open holocaust denier and a closet, dishonest holocaust denier.

/For the record

482 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:26:28am

And I'm certainly not blind.

483 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:32:50am

re: #481 Sharmuta

It was an interview from Ha'aretz.

/are they trolls and mobys?

484 Highrise  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:34:13am

re: #482 Sharmuta

And I'm certainly not blind.

Neither am I.

485 Render  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:38:51am

re: #477 Sharmuta

Hey Beautiful, I saw it, and commented on it. You plussed me for it too...

===

#483 Killian

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that interview contradicted the very point that Uptight seemed to be trying to make about Griffin. In the very first sentence.

Griffin was convicted.

EINE
KLEINE
NACHTMUSIK,
R

486 jdow-antijihad  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:45:26am

Cheap shot time (old school rivalry here) {^_-}

I always tought of the East Lansing school, Michigan State University, as the school for those not good enough for real schools. That was school rivalry, perhaps. (Er, "Go Blue!") This shows maybe there was more truth to the canard than I thought.

This was an incredibly boneheaded move.

{O.O}

487 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:47:34am

re: #485 Render

And Uptight seemed to try and qualify the comment, but no one was having any of it. Whatever.

/I just don't see the troll/moby leap and I have a pretty good sense of these things, IMO

488 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:49:57am

re: #462 Render


Render, how do you read that? Is SIOE in bed with Stormfront, or is this simply Stormfront attempting to infiltrate SIOE?

I read it as the latter, but I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise.

489 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:01:57am

re: #483 Killian Bundy

I wasn't quoting the interview.

490 Render  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:03:59am

re: #488 Alberta Oil Peon

They (SOIE) may not be in bed with (Stormfront), but they're definitely in the same bedroom.

BNP isn't just in bed with Stormfront, they're attached at the hip. Still.

For the moment at least, BNP is trying to hide SF and the other skinheads under the stairs. That won't last long if they have their way though...

For the record, the Stormfront site still has a Belgian (VB) section as well.

No mention of Swedish SD though.

===

One more tidbit...

The "Celtic" cross statue in the VB video that has caused so much questioning, isn't Celtic at all.

It's an award from Stormfront. Nice try Atlas.

DEATH ON
TWO LEGS,
R

491 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:06:02am

re: #489 Sharmuta

Did I say you were?

/you know what I was referring to, you're not stupid

492 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:09:49am

re: #491 Killian Bundy

483.

493 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:16:19am

re: #492 Sharmuta

483.

/do you really think I thought your 481 was a quote from Ha'aretz, seriously?

494 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:48:06am

re: #490 Render

DEATH ON
TWO LEGS,

/for the record

495 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 2:19:32am

re: #492 Sharmuta

Dinged you up.

/'cause your sidekick seems to be fading

496 spidly  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 3:07:01am

#494 Killian Bundy

Amazing that back in the early 80's I had no idea that Freddy was gay.

497 lizardbennet  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 3:27:32am

re: #57 hayseed

This is exactly the sort of propaganda that can be used to instill hostility toward anyone trying to speak out against the Islamist or leftist threat to western culture. This is one of the reasons that Charles has been EXACTLY RIGHT in his position regarding not aligning himself or his blog with any person or organization that supports or has ever supported Nazism or racism in general--regardless of their stance towards Islamofascism.

498 Robert in England  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 4:42:24am

I was at the SIOE rally on Friday; outnumbered about 20:1 by coppers and about 2:1 by photographers :)
There were NO skinheads, Neo Nazis, call them what you will; one of the speakers was Jewish and got tremendous applause, but there weren't very many of us there.
I would love to have BNP supporters - who hated Sharia and would fight islam generally. I would love to have the Jewish Task Force members who hated Sharia and would fight islam generally. I would love to have young Hindus who hated Sharia and would fight islam generally.
Buddhists, Jains, Black Africans.....ANYONE who's first principal was being opposed to Sharia and the creeping islamisation of this country.
This may well get me banned, but I will say that the best way to kill real racism (as opposed to the PC kind where it's used as a blanket accusation against anyone who disagrees) is to introduce the racist to people who share SOME of their views - about islam for instance. It's hard to be anti semitic to a bunch of Jews who've just stood shoulder to shoulder with you against a pack of feral muslim beasts. It's hard to be against 'wogs' when a bunch of Hindus have just kept you from getting a kicking.
Now, I believe Render, who wasn't at the rally, would like to report me...oh dear, what shall I do.
When Charles has a beef with anything I say, I'll pay attention; because I respect him. Any others can basically bugger off.

499 harmless  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 4:46:38am

I can't believe Nick Green was even allowed into the US, surely he should have been stopped at immigration? However, now he is there, can we arrange for our own Police to stop him re-entering the UK? :)

As for the "just want to stimulate debate" argument, that's exactly the twaddle the useful idiots of the 3Ls use to justify inviting jihadi mouthpieces into the UK and US. Someone please slap these YAF twits back to the dark ages, they're just helping the enemy.

500 niallster  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 5:42:21am

To be correct Nick Griffin was found not guilty because he was charged with incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act 1986. As his lawyer pointed out Islam is not a race. Thus he was acquitted.

UK law will be changed to make religious hate speech illegal and thus gag any criticism of Islam soon. I am unsure of the exact timetable.

501 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 5:53:39am

re: #392 canadianally

Unfortunately though, I must support the right of this BNP character to speak.

I disagree completely. I think enlisting a holocaust denier to speak during Islamic Fascism Awareness Week is a huge mistake. I don't want that garbage truck in my convoy.

502 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:01:35am

re: #498 Robert in England

ANYONE who's first principal was being opposed to Sharia and the creeping islamisation of this country.

If you have no standards for "who" than I'm guessing you probably don't have any standards for "how" either.

503 Yank in the EU  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:11:46am

We can all understand desire to enlist everyone opposed to Shari'a that can possibly be found, but be careful with certain fallacies of reasoning. Just because the BNP opposes Islamism doesn't mean that have been right all along about their open racism (and not in the bullshit PC meaning), Holocaust denial and antisemitism. It's not only evil to form an allegiance with such groups; it will ultimately lead to the delegitimization of the anti-Islamist movement in a great many more people's minds, regardless of political correctness. In short, it's a profound misjudgment to throw away the moral conscience in order to deal with another evil, such as the jihad.

504 Yank in the EU  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:12:06am

er, "the" desire

505 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:16:51am

re: #500 niallster

To be correct Nick Griffin was found not guilty...

I don't care what he was acquitted of. Is he really the person you want at the podium helping promote your cause? Do you have a mute button for his mic when he goes off on a tangent and starts with his "Hola-hoax" routine.

506 Yank in the EU  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:18:21am

Every time I have to work in other languages my English typing gets [expletive]. ;)

507 niallster  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:42:06am

'I don't care what he was acquitted of. Is he really the person you want at the podium helping promote your cause?'

Did I say I wanted him?

508 Geepers  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 7:13:07am

Prissy?!

Prissy?!

Oh. I can't believe they said that!

[stamps foot]
[turns up nose]

509 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 7:49:43am

.

Instead of writing about threats to Western civilization, the LGF blog has recently attacked organizations who are fighting the culture war by doing more than just posting stuff on a blog that only like-minded people read.

Sorry, I am on this the day after.

Very very interesting: in that sentence they link to the recent discussion about the far right groups that we suspect to be neonazis.
So this whole discussion looks deeper than it did until yesterday !
There were others ready to attack.

Now Charles' strong and serious position looks even more important than before.


Well done, Lizard Master !

510 BabbaZee  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 7:56:22am

My personal encounter with the BNP came in May when a BNP supporter blog linked to one of my stories.

There is a short discourse in the comments between myself and the blog owner.
here's a snip

BabbaZee said...

You are using the wrong yardstick to delineate good from evil, sorry.

I am a Jew.

No one has yet defended the BNP being at that vile Duke conference.

I know how you feel about me underneath. I am "not white" either by your standards. And if those re not your standards why can no one defend that appearance, no one even addressed it, it's like I never posted it.

Dig yourself.

Back to your comment:

Your comparison is untenable.

Male and female is NOT arbitrary, males and females are biologically and quantitatively different in all ways despite the modern liberal brainwashing that says there should be no "differences between the genders"

We are different. Fact.

It is not comparable to race at all.

I will pray for your enlightenment

I want to stop these MFers as much or more as all of you.

30 May 2007 22:28

511 JeffinSac  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 8:06:40am

Well I decided to go to the source to find out about this group.

Issues
and I noticed they listed
Conservative & Libertarian Columnist

RED FLAG RED FLAG, so I decided to look at the profile for the president of this organization:

Chairman Erik Johnson
If anybody can be president, who
Ron Paul

Just a sample of a few more.

Treasurer Steven Tursi (I love this guys hero's)
Your top 5 heroes
Walter Williams, Billy Joel, Ron Paul, Alan Keyes, Tom Seaver
If anybody can be president, who
Walter Williams

National Director Cesar Vasquez
If anybody can be president, who
Alan Keyes

I also suggest you click on a few of the other profiles there and read who they others think should be the next President to give you an idea about this group, because they are really seem to be a Libertarian and not a real Conservative after reading those profiles there.

512 bruxellesblog  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 8:50:14am

re: #490 Render

The "Celtic" cross statue in the VB video that has caused so much questioning, isn't Celtic at all.

It's an award from Stormfront. Nice try Atlas.

Jumpin' Jesus on a pgo stick, can you back this up Render? Do you have a link?

513 Render  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:16:04am

re: #512 bruxellesblog

No. Not yet. I'm waiting on a picture of another one of those award statues from one of my contacts. I was told about it last night by that same contact, who was watching the video as we spoke by cell phone.

He said, "Celtic my rosy ass. That's the Stormfront logo."

I trust that contact implicitly, or I wouldn't have posted it.

DEEPER
THROAT,
R

514 Render  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:22:47am

re: #498 Robert in England

Ok, reported.

ANY
FURTHER
QUESTIONS?,
R

515 Robert in England  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:23:12am

Ref #502 Mich again:

Your guess about my not having scruples as to method is wrong; but as we've never met, I will forgive what seems an obvious thing to you.
I would not hide behind women and children, Like muslims do
I would not make a treaty with intent to break it when convenient, Like muslims do.I would not use rape , kidnapping and murder of family as a method of coercion, Like muslims do.I would not murder thousands by sneak attack in the name of my crede, Like muslims do.I would not bomb pizza parlours or niteclubs filled with children and revellers, Like mislims do.I would not mutilate women as a matter of policy and expect them to grovel in front of me, Like muslims do.
I would not kill women for being raped ,or men for being homosexual, Like muslims do.
But then, you see, I saw the results of the 7/7 bombings up close, I do not forget and I do not forgive. If that means that some of the people I would associate with to win this war - and we dare not lose it - are not perhaps to your taste, well, I'm sorry about that.
I will not submit.

516 Robert in England[deleted]  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:25:45am
517 Charles  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:43:54am

re: #512 bruxellesblog

re: #490 Render

The "Celtic" cross statue in the VB video that has caused so much questioning, isn't Celtic at all.

It's an award from Stormfront. Nice try Atlas.

Jumpin' Jesus on a pgo stick, can you back this up Render? Do you have a link?

If you go to the Stormfront site, the "Celtic Cross" is very prominently featured as their logo.

It's ludicrous for anyone to claim that the presence of that symbol on DeWinter's bookshelf is meaningless.

I'm going to start an open thread -- can we please discuss this issue in that thread so it doesn't get lost here?

As for the BNP -- they're fascists. I don't want anything to do with them or Nick Griffin, and the reaction of that moron Kyle Bristow is a perfect example of the kinds of people attracted to the BNP's crypto-Nazism.

518 BruxellesBlog  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:48:37am

re: #506 Yank in the EU

[closed circuit to Yank in the EU]
I think this might be a good time for you and I to plan a meet up. Charles removed the old "email a lizard" link and that email account had become inactive.

Do you remember that bar we met at before? Do you want to set a time to meet at that place again?

I'll check this thread periodically to see if you found this note.

re: #514 Render

Wow. Please keep on it Render. And good luck.

519 Ma Sands  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 10:10:28am

re: #514 {Render}

But thank you, Render, anyway :) , for the thought of that award-of-the-week you spoke of last night.......it has kept me smiling ever since. :)

520 Yank in the EU  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 10:13:13am

re: #518 BruxellesBlog

Sure, sounds great!

I do often go down to the new swimming pool at that place we met before. It was there, right? Or did we walk there.? Anyways, Irish pub or at that bar in the Oude Markt is just fine. Or we could just have lunch here. We'll just set details by e-mail.

521 Ma Sands  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 10:16:40am

re: #518 BruxellesBlog

From inside your football:

Life in Brussels is not dissimilar to combining the language politics of Canada with Sicilian levels of corruption. Pass the brown sauce, brother.


Ah, how I wish sometimes I liked (and could comprehend :) political talk --your description sounds fascinating, to this old newspaper reporter! :)

522 uptight  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 10:39:20am

re: #469 Killian Bundy

re: #465 Highrise

Have you checked out his/her blog?

/seems to be on our side, but hey, carry on

yeah - don't let that, or the fact that I've been an active registered lizardoid for three years get in the way of demonising me as a BNP apologist / holocaust denier sympathist.

I mean...I must be. I posted background information about Nick Griffin and the BNP, instead of polemic. Fucking obvious when you think about it.

523 uptight  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 10:44:05am

re: #472 Kevin Shook

re: #461 uptight


I (and probably some others) assumed you were a BNP supporter because you were far from forthcoming about whether or not you did support them.

I shouldn't fucking need to. I thought I was among adults.

If I had done the same thing about some Islamofascists, what would you have thought?

I would thank you for providing more information.

I wouldn''t assume you were an Islamist if you didn't dip every posted word into a barrel of vitriol.

524 Kevin Shook  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 11:10:04am

re: #523 uptight

With all your name calling, use of foul language and over reaction, I would have to assume that you are NOT an adult. I also don't believe that your were just "providing more information." You reproduced that whole slimy interview rather than just linking to it. You don't think that when this whole bruhahah started that other lizardoids did not investigate who Nick Griffin is? This blog isn't some empty echo chamber.

525 BruxellesBlog  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:06:31pm

re: #520 Yank in the EU

Yank,

I reactivated my old email account. Do you still have it?

re: #521 Ma Sands

Thanks Ma Sands. Do a google on "Pass the brown sauce brother". You will understand immediately.

526 Yank in the EU  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 12:12:25pm

re: #525 BruxellesBlog

Yep, sending one out in a moment.

527 BethesdaDog  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 1:14:11pm

Actually, at one time, the YAF was the best known of the college and youth conservative organizations. It had ties to mainstream conservatism and had many well known mainstream conservatives among its alumni. The wikipedia entry states that it is not clear that the national organization even exists as a viable organization anymore.

From Wikipedia:
YAF's national status
While many YAF chapters have formed and revived on campuses across the country, it is unclear if the national organization still exists. The website [23] has not been updated since President Reagan's death. The website's contact page also lists a District of Columbia mailing address [24] which does not appear to be owned or occupied by YAF [25].

Some recent claims suggest that the organization still maintains an advisory board. According to a blog maintained by MSU-YAF chairman Kyle Bristow, it includes people such as M. Stanton Evans; Ron Robinson; Vice President Dick Cheney; Senators Charles Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Thad Cochran and Trent Lott; former Senator George Allen; former Attorney General John Ashcroft and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. [26]. However, there is doubt regarding the accuracy of these claims since they have yet to be proven.

Considering the lack of financial records and substantive evidence of National YAF's existence, it appears that the organization today exists only as a loose network of five to twenty chapters on college campuses around the United States.

This MSU chapter might just be a rogue group with a small following that has associated itself with the looney, radical right. It is always a danger that those in the mainstream who want to challenge Islamist extremism will be joined by unsavory, racist elements on the far right. As Charles has been doing, it is important to dissociate ourselves from these far out looneys of the right.

528 J.S.  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 2:58:46pm

I haven't read all the posts aboe (don't care to). Charles, thank-you once again for your invaluable efforts at exposing what's what. I so appreciate LGF. (And I am in full agreement as to the BNP, what they stand for, and why we need to distance ourselves from that agenda). Again, thank you Charles.

529 egtact  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 3:44:55pm

BNP, or any other nazi-wannabes, are just another side of the very same islamofascist coin. Anyone with a brain knows this.

The nazis and deniers will be destroyed along with the jihadists. They know this. That's why they're trying so hard to jump on the bandwagon. They know how discredited they are and they like to use that to tar anyone they "join up" with.

They think we don't know McVey learned his bomb making from Malaysian Islamofascists... and we already know how to deal with the nazis.

530 Mr. Anachronism  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 5:32:54pm

I don't understand this. I have read a long, articulate, and passionate article by Nick Griffin, arguing against allowing anti-semitism in the BNP.

Sad to see these frightened, kneejerk reactions even by "conservatives" against anyone labeled "racist" or "fascist" by the ever-lying left. Why not listen to what the man is actually saying? That seems like a much better way to judge him, rather than eagerly gulping down and spewing back up the left's propaganda and its dehumanizing terminology.

But I have often noted this tendency on the so-called right, to be more frantically anti-racist than-thou, because we are so knock-kneed at the prospect of anyone anywhere thinking that we might be harboring a single ethnocentric thought somewhere deep in our amygdalas because we don't pull the correct, i.e. Democrat, levers on Election Day.

Kind of pitiful, really.

531 Mr. Anachronism  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 5:50:20pm

Why do posters on this board keep referring to Nick Griffin as a holocaust denier? He is no such thing, he never has been, he never will be.

Such wild reactions to Griffin owe more to the posters' own political insecurities than a careful evaluation of the man and his positions. Just screeching, "Neo-Nazi!" doesn't really get us anywhere.

The posters on this board seem to know next to nothing about European politics. For instance, Vlaams Belang happens to be the most pro-Israel party in Europe. Are you shocked? Well, why don't you make a little effort to inform yourselves before strutting your absurd self-righteousness before the world?

Please, can you all refrain from expressing your dismal ignorance in such a loud uproar? Thank you.

532 Devil's Advocate  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 6:04:59pm

Didn't they discuss this with anyone to get their opinion before they brought this guy across the Atlantic?

533 Charles  Sun, Oct 28, 2007 9:23:39pm

It took a while for the BNP toady to show up, but I see it's here now.

534 BabbaZee  Mon, Oct 29, 2007 6:31:11am

re: #531 Mr. Anachronism

Nick Griffin is a piece of shit.

Over three hundred white supremacists gathered in New Orleans for the "2005 European American Conference," convened May 20 - 22 by David Duke. The theme of the conference was the unification of Europeans and Americans in opposition to Jews, who were demonized as blood suckers and parasites who dominate media and government around the world. A significant number of politically affiliated European racists addressed the crowd, including Nick Griffin and Simon Darby from the far-right British National Party, Karl Richter and Marcus Haverkamp from Germany's far-right National Democratic Party (NPD), Vavra Suk and Lennart Berg of Sweden, Jean-Michel Girard of France's far-right National Front, and Deirdre Fields of South Africa. It remains unclear whether these disparate American and international white supremacist groups will be able coordinate their anti-Jewish rhetoric and cooperate in their activities, but the simple fact of their participation in Duke's New Orleans meeting is a significant development in the world of white supremacy and anti-Semitism.

535 Highrise  Mon, Oct 29, 2007 1:57:00pm

re: #524 Kevin Shook

Not sure if you are still reading this thread, but I wanted to say I hope you post here more often. Enjoyed reading you.


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