they'll get to it

Evidence of intent?

This is what is called "co-belligerency"...

It seems that one must post a pro-Israel, or Jewish video to YouTube to be deleted for violation of TOS..

Post Jew hate? Probably just change your nic..post what he has? Get arrested? Video taken down? Keep your account...and the hate videos associated with it.

Feh.

Dude is just dumb.

Don't pay him any mind.

C'mon, the kids from YouTube can't restrict his freedom of expression just because he's been arrested.

Freedom of speech, dude!

Google only removes accounts when the Chinese Communist Party tells them so.

re: #5 shanec99

Dumb people are murderers too.

Sorry for the early OT:

Malkin's all over this: CNN debate scandal keeps growing:

Just a few ordinary citizens?

Via Glenn Reynolds, I see that Dan Riehl identified one planted questioner from last night's debate. It turns out that Suzanne Jackson, (mother of a three term Iraq War veteran) is a fairly well known antiwar activist.

Activists have just as much right to ask questions as anyone else. It's just that when their activist backgrounds are known but not disclosed, the false impression is created that they might as well be ordinary Americans selected at random.

Why, they're just plain folks like you sitting at home!

Like the randomly-selected ordinary citizen questioner Khalid Khan.

From the CNN transcript:

MALVEAUX: Our next questions is -- Khalid Khan, if you would please stand for a moment. You and I spoke very briefly, and you said you have some concerns about racial profiling.

KHALID KHAN: Yes, I do. I am an American citizen and have been profiled all the time at the airport. Since 9/11, hundreds of thousands of Americans have been profiled. And, you know, it is like a harassment.

KHAN: My question is that -- our civil liberties have been taken away from us. What are you going to do to protect Americans from this kind of harassment?

MALVEAUX: Senator Edwards, we'd like you to take that. You obviously voted for the Patriot Act, which gives the government extended powers of surveillance. What do you say to people like Mr. Khan who say he's been abused by that power?

EDWARDS: I say he's right. He's right. This administration has done more than abuse the Patriot Act, and the Patriot Act needs to be dramatically changed, by the way.

(APPLAUSE)

OK, I have no way of knowing the extent to which Mr. Khan has been subjected to profiling. But he is not an ordinary citizen. For years he has been a prominent Muslim leader -- the president of the Islamic Society of Nevada, who has hosted conferences like this one (which included the controversial Muzzamil Siddiqi), and the first sentence in a piece in the LA Times described him as "a stalwart among Las Vegas Muslims."

Nor, as it turns out, is Khalid Khan a stranger to CNN. From the transcript of a show last year called "keeping the faith in Sin City -- a surprising look at how Muslims manage to live and work under the glitz, greed and sex in Las Vegas.":

ZAHN: Our special hour tonight continues with a "Top Story" out of Las Vegas, where Muslim prayer rugs and the Las Vegas Strip collide, and collide in a big way.

Islam forbids Vegas standbys, like gambling, alcohol and strip shows. Yet, 14,000 Muslims live and work in Vegas. So, how do they all get along?

Let's turn to Ted Rowlands, who joins us from Vegas tonight. And he has the latest details for us.

[...]

ROWLANDS: The president of the Islamic Society here estimates, there are 14,000 Muslims living in Las Vegas, trying to follow the stringent rules of Islam in Sin City.

KHALID KHAN, PRESIDENT, ISLAMIC SOCIETY: It is a challenge to them. It is a challenge, that they see all these temptation around them, and, still, they just ignore them.

Look, I have no problem with the president of any organization asking questions at a presidential debate. But shouldn't who he is be disclosed? There's just something about the same network putting the president of an important organization on one show as an authority on Islam -- only to later pass him off as an unknown random citizen at a presidential debate -- that I find more than a little annoying.

[Link: www.classicalvalues.com...]

re: #7 Globular Cluster

Google only removes accounts when the Chinese Communist Party tells them so.

Google is only hostile to those news sources and comments that are hostile to dictatorships.

re: #5 shanec99

Dumb is one thing: hate is quite another.

Did you click on Charles' links?

re: #11 NY Nana
yep

Anybody here like me and find it hard not to post shit that will get you deleted or banned on threads like this?

re: #9 ted

Hey, move on. That's old news.

Hillary won, get it?

re: #13 shanec99

Dumb is not the word for him...[deleted] is. And his kind of hate is not only found in the UK...it is everywhere...a pandemic that has already caused countless deaths world-wide, and keeps on spreading.

re: #14 rightwinger3

I am a member of the same club.

re: #15 JammieWearingFool

Hillary won, get it?

Bite your tongue, Jammie!

BBL...

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

re: #16 NY Nana
Dumb people cause most of society's problems. Most of our prison population is not made up of MENSA members.

I'm a little sad. Looks like the precip ends before temps get cold enough to ice storm on DFW Thanksgiving. Maybe a chance of ice next weekend firther West in Texas, but so far, no sign of an ice storm for DFW.

Might be able to get a little snow to stick in NYC Monday, probably not enough to cancel school.

re: #21 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

I'm a little sad. Looks like the precip ends before temps get cold enough to ice storm on DFW Thanksgiving. Maybe a chance of ice next weekend firther West in Texas, but so far, no sign of an ice storm for DFW.

Might be able to get a little snow to stick in NYC Monday, probably not enough to cancel school.

What's it look like for the Pittsburgh area?

Tropical Cyclone Guba off Queensland looks rather sad.

This was done by a pet of the left. Therefore it is just good natured satire.
Now if something like this was done regarding a Muslim or a Lefty by a member of a non oppressed favored non favored group by the Left, then it is a hate crime.
It's simple when you think about it.

OT. Boycott of the movie "Redacted"

Sign the petition:
[Link: www.boycottredacted.com...]

Light snow tomorrow shouldn't cancel school Monday in PIT.
Especially since temps are marginal, and what snow there is could ix with rain.

OT

Hi all,

Just found a strange AFP report... about a new, but this time "nice", provocation Hugo Chavez made at actual OPEC summit in Ryad (Saudi arabia) ...

Hugo Chavez "signs" himself and twice speaks about Jesus in speech in Ryad

(Tried to translate highlights from French) The Venezuelan mad dog, Hugo Chavez, "signed himself" (don't know if it's the right translation for making the Christian cross sign when praying ?) and twice cited the Holy Bible and Jesus in his opening speech in Ryad in front of all other OPEC heads of state at the today's opening summit.

Nothing found in English yet but here are two links in French :

TF1 (main French tv channel)
And Romandie.com (a trusted Swiss source citing AFP)

Tequila!

/not taqiyya

Well charges will not stick. After sorting things out they will arrest the Councillor Craig for engaging in hate speech. And in order to appease the Muslims build the Mosque at State expense.

jihadis are victims.

leftists are victims.

criminals are victims...except for conservatives, who are

the real criminals and don't qualify for victim status.

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

Wow this is a scandal.

A Dem activist from Ark
An anti-war activist
A union activist
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer

All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.

Kahne knocks over security guard who wouldn’t let him pass without showing credentials.
I was thinking if anyone at Gillette-Evernhamp Motorsports should be sponsored by Bud, it should be Elliot Sadler. Kahne is ok, but his fans are mainly chicks, who go for his young, unthreatening good looking without being too masculine look. he looks like he belongs in a teenage boy band. The wrong spokesmen for Bud, especially after Dale Junior was promoting beer for 7 years.

Sadler is a good ole boy, he could do it.

But if Kahne can keep knocking down security guards, maybe he does have the machismo that Joe Six-Pack wants from a beer spokesman.

Lance Bass-ish Kasey Kahne looking unthreatening next to the 2008 Budweiser Dodge Avenger.

Ah well. What would Elizabeth Tudor do?

re: #20 shanec99

If you just miss joining Mensa, there is another organization, "Densa".

"I cannot say it often enough: the proposed mosque will be bad for London, bad for the community and an invitation for the propagation of separatist and fundamentalist Islamic ideas. Up to now, Mayor Ken Livingstone and the Labour establishment have turned a blind eye to the real nature of the organisation behind the mega-mosque. I hope they will look more seriously at them now."

Stay strong Craig.

Hopefully a message will be sent when that guy is sentenced. Can only hope.

re: #9 ted

CNN is the "Pravda of the Democrat Party" and will give you misinformation, disinformation and mal-information about any subject as long as it is harmful to the nations interests.

Suzanne Malveaux (little Suzie Evil Veal) is a media Princess of Darkness in more than one way. Serving as a willing and knowing shill of CNN and Hillary Clinton is, I predict, just the beginning of her career ambitions.

re: #33 Canadian Guy

CNN = Clinton News Network

Densa quiz.

How did Glen Beck ever get on CNN?

re: #40 Ojoe

I scored "above normal", but those who know me well would probably dispute that.

re: #28 Ashamed to be Dutch

OT

Hi all,

Just found a strange AFP report... about a new, but this time "nice", provocation Hugo Chavez made at actual OPEC summit in Ryad (Saudi arabia) ...

Hugo Chavez "signs" himself and twice speaks about Jesus in speech in Ryad

Well I don't know how provocative that really is on Hugo's part. I doubt the OPEC bigwigs are terribly religious. I expect they likely find religion more useful for keeping the ordinary people in their countries in line and under control. Not as if the ordinary people are going to be concerned about the corruption of their governments when there are more pressing matters to riot about, such as cartoons that make light of their beloved prophet.

This seems more like a public display of piety on Hugo's part for the gullible folks back home. Just like his little act at the U.N. where he spoke about the "smell of sulphur" and referred to Bush as the devil.

re: #26 taxfreekiller

So, Lt. for life seems to want to take on T. Boone Pick ens .
So, he says he can prove (a) claim of the swift boat vets not true.
So, he says he calls T. Boone's bet, calls the hand so to speak.
So, now T. Boone says, Your not the dealer, I'm the dealer, the U.S.A. is the House, so you did not ever ante up, so bring your Vietnam journals you wrote and used to write your lie book and selected what could be used, bring all the made for TV movies you and your band-aid crew made in country, and too , all your Navy records from 1971 to 1978 , that should even the pot. (of note the years 1971 to 1978 will include the years of his original dishonorable discharge and the Jummy Crater remake of his discharge condition).

SOME SAY KERRY WILL WELSH ON ONE MORE BET

Here's one for you.

re: #33 Canadian Guy

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

Wow this is a scandal.

A Dem activist from Ark
An anti-war activist
A union activist
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer

All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.

Shocked! I'm Shocked! The Clinton New Network using shills.

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

___-
Wait for Hillary's response:
"I was not aware of that, and it will never happen again"

OT:

Chavez is up to his same old crap:

Chavez warning opens Opec summit

Mr Chavez kicked off the summit with a blistering attack on the US.

"If the United States was mad enough to attack Iran or aggress Venezuela again the price of a barrel of oil could reach $150 or even $200," he said.

That's rich, Chavez calling anybody else nuts.

re: #45 jcm

re: #33 Canadian Guy

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

Wow this is a scandal.

A Dem activist from Ark
An anti-war activist
A union activist
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer

All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.

Shocked! I'm Shocked! The Clinton New Network using shills.

Tyrannophiles are funny that way.

re: #41 Le_Patriot

How did Glen Beck ever get on CNN?

Affirmative action. He fills the Mormon quota, the Conservative quota, the "white man with balls" quota, and they only have to pay him one salary. He is at minimum a "threefer" the price of one.

OT

NYT blowing it again.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 17 — Over the past six years, the Bush administration has spent almost $100 million on a highly classified program to help Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s president, secure his country’s nuclear weapons, according to current and former senior administration officials.

Oops. That link to the Chavez article is here.

re: #46 Le_Patriot

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

___-
Wait for Hillary's response:
"I was not aware of that, and it will never happen again"

Six shallow graves in the woods?

The CNN debate producers were all Republican plants. Karl Rove set it up. . . . just another chapter in the vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
/When Janet Reno gets appointed A.G. again, all your conservative asses will regret it!

re: #49 gymnast

re: #41 Le_Patriot

How did Glen Beck ever get on CNN?

Affirmative action. He fills the Mormon quota, the Conservative quota, the "white man with balls" quota, and they only have to pay him one salary. He is at minimum a "threefer" the price of one.

___
LOL. I love it!

What time was he arrested? His last log in at YouTube was just 6 hours ago.

/I know it might not have been him, but still...

re: #33 Canadian Guy

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

Wow this is a scandal.

A Dem activist from Ark
An anti-war activist
A union activist
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer

All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.

The only thing these people were "undecided' on was which candidates post debate party they were going to attend

re: #55 gop_patriot

What time was he arrested? His last log in at YouTube was just 6 hours ago.

/I know it might not have been him, but still...

From the article it seems he may have made bail. I'm not terribly sure how the system works in U.K. but the article says:

The man behind the posting has now been bailed to return to a police station in Hertfordshire.

re: #51 3 wood

Oops. That link to the Chavez article is here.

But this article doesn't mention his "Christian cross sign" nor the two times he cited Jesus and the Holy bible IN SAUDI ARABIA ...

The fact he cited Jesus, the Bible and made the Christian cross sign IS considered very offensive in Saudi Arabia (and in many muslim countries)

OT (Global Warming)
Earth to Al Gore . . . Hello?
. . .residents in Argentina and Brazil are wondering if this winter will ever end. Buenos Aires recorded this Thursday (November 15th) the lowest November temperature in 90 years.

Here's the money quote as far as I'm concerned:

"Jihad starts from the moment your mother gave birth to you."

What further evidence is needed that Islam is a death cult?

As the Ayatoilet Khomenei famously intoned, "there is no fun in Islam." Yet, the 9/11 hijackers weren't above partaking in gambling, booze and strippers before committing mass murder. And the Al Qaeda and Taliban freaks who beat people for carrying different vegetables in the same bag and cutting people's fingers off for smoking cigarettes aren't above raping and doping themselves up. Why? Because they have been brainwashed into believing that they are doing G-d's work, and that they can live a hedonistic afterlife. In other words, life - at least life as it is meant to be lived under Islam - is miserable; so death is the only avenue to Utopia.

How do we deal with these people? I could be wrong, but I don't think there are enough qualified mental health professionals to de-program them. If someone has a solution other than locking them up or killing them, I'm all ears.

8 laps left in the last ever Busch Series race. Jeff Burton leading, Carl Edwards in second trying to hold off the fastest car on the track, Mark martin in the Hendricks Motorsports #5 Monte Carlo.

Tomorrow is the last ever Nextel Cup race, as it will be called 'The Sprint Cup, as Sprint has purchased Nextel. Tomorrow's race is also the last race, maybe forever, in which the Fords, Chevrolets, Toyotas and Dodges have unique shapes resembling that of the actual street production car. NASCAR's top series goes to IROC type identically shaped cars, with tight limits on adjustments the teams can make on their cars. The last semblance of 'stock' will be gone from stock cars.

Burton won the Busch race. Next year, the junior series will be the Nationwide Series.

re: #60 David Simon

Lucibello has them by the short hairs. You deal with them militarily.

re: #59 Le_Patriot

Whats wrong with you. Don't you know that LOW temps are caused by global Warming, juts as highs are!

Melting ice caps in the artic are caused by it just as LARGER than normal ice in Antartica is!

Less wildlife is as is more wildlife !

Forest fires are, just as they are not !

re: #60 David Simon

Here's the money quote as far as I'm concerned:

"Jihad starts from the moment your mother gave birth to you."

Yup, the medical term for this malady is Infant Rage . . . It later progresses to Rage toward Infidels

re: #61 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

PC in NASCAR? all the cars equal!
*spit*

Let's go out run a revenuer on a back road!

re: #43 Drogheda

re: #28 Ashamed to be Dutch

OT

Hi all,

Just found a strange AFP report... about a new, but this time "nice", provocation Hugo Chavez made at actual OPEC summit in Ryad (Saudi arabia) ...

Hugo Chavez "signs" himself and twice speaks about Jesus in speech in Ryad

Well I don't know how provocative that really is on Hugo's part. I doubt the OPEC bigwigs are terribly religious. I expect they likely find religion more useful for keeping the ordinary people in their countries in line and under control. Not as if the ordinary people are going to be concerned about the corruption of their governments when there are more pressing matters to riot about, such as cartoons that make light of their beloved prophet.

This seems more like a public display of piety on Hugo's part for the gullible folks back home. Just like his little act at the U.N. where he spoke about the "smell of sulphur" and referred to Bush as the devil.

What I find surprising is the fact that Chavez signed himself and cited Jesus Christ and the Bible in public and in SAUDI ARABIA... (the Saudi king etc...)

Someone else doing that in Saudi Arabia may have his head chopped off...

re: #56 sattv4u2

re: #33 Canadian Guy

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

Wow this is a scandal.
A Dem activist from Ark
An anti-war activist
A union activist
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer

All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.

The only thing these people were "undecided' on was which candidates post debate party they were going to attend

ABC News head political correspondant is Clintonista George Stephanopolous.

It'd be like Fox hiring Karl Rove as their head political reporter.

Apparently one jihadi is down. Another jihadi leader is renouncing violence.

Jihadi Violence Revisited

A heavyweight ideologue of al-Jihad group has drafted a new document where he revisited the group's initial ideology and renounced violence. In his treatise, Sayed Imam, who co-founded the first cell of al-Jihad group with Ayman al-Zawahri in Egypt in the late 1970's, revisited the juristic foundations that justified the group's violence against Muslims and non-Muslims.

The document titled "Document for the Rationalization of al-Jihad in Egypt and the World" is expected to be published in sequels in the local and regional press starting next week.

These revisions mark a drastic paradigm shift for Imam, the author of two previous books that influenced the thinking of most Arab jihadists and al-Qaeda members. Imam drafted this document behind bars where is serving a 25-year sentence. He is expected to be released in 2029.

"This document will stir a turbulence within the ranks of al-Qaeda all over the world," says Diaa Rashwan, an expect on Islamist groups with al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies who has already read the full version of the document.

/ 48 hour rule

re: #58 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #51 3 wood

Oops. That link to the Chavez article is here.

But this article doesn't mention his "Christian cross sign" nor the two times he cited Jesus and the Holy bible IN SAUDI ARABIA ...

The fact he cited Jesus, the Bible and made the Christian cross sign IS considered very offensive in Saudi Arabia (and in many muslim countries)

I'm sure it would be very offensive if you were to do it in downtown Riyadh where ordinary, run-of-the-mill Wahabbis and (if you're unlucky) the mutaween could see it.

Doing it in private in front of the ruling elites would likely not draw much reaction at all.

OT

Seattle Schools anti Bully Training...
Let the Baby Teach

I my experience the 'ole bully smack down did quite well thank you.

re: #67 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

I know of Stephanopoulos all too well from years before he was a Clintonista. i'm from Massachusetts, and he's a remnant from Michael (in the tank) Dukakis

re: #57 Drogheda

Ah, thank you. It would have helped me if I'd read the entire article. Just read Charles' excerpt.

So, he was bailed so he could go to another police station? I don't understand the UK system either. LOL

And they'll probably supply him with a free laptop in jail, so he'll get to keep posting at YouTube.

re: #71 sattv4u2

re: #67 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

I know of Stephanopoulos all too well from years before he was a Clintonista. i'm from Massachusetts, and he's a remnant from Michael (in the tank) Dukakis

Good 'ole Steponallofus!

re: #63 sattv4u2

/scientific mental input circuits overloaded . . . danger . . .
level 5 . . . warning warning . . . LA LA LA LA LA
*pouring drink to prevent head from exploding*

re: #65 jcm

re: #61 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

PC in NASCAR? all the cars equal!
*spit*

Let's go out run a revenuer on a back road!

If I had the money, I'd start a new series, same way they built cars through the early 70s. Put in a roll cage, safety seats, weld the doors shut, replace the side windows with nets. On a 2 door large size sports car. Like the Monte Carlo. Maybe enough of a range in wheel base to allow Mustangs to race, as they look cool. Stock V-8 engines, tweaked anyway they want, as long as total displacement is limited, and nitro isn't used.

Ever watch the SPEED show 'Back in the Day'. Street cars, with door handles and gas caps.

re: #44 JammieWearingFool

AP: While fellow veterans and reporters disproved many of the group's claims at the time, Kerry refused to air ads responding to the criticism.

I noticed that assertion when I first read that story, and intended to ask someone when that happened. I read Unfit for Command, and it never appeared to me that Kerry had convincingly refuted any of the accusations made against him, during the campaign, or after.

re: #63 sattv4u2

Whats wrong with you. Don't you know that LOW temps are caused by global Warming, juts as highs are!

I think the actual point was the fact that Gore is too dense to realize that it's not winter in Argentina or Brazil. It's summer there, because they're in the southern hemisphere.

I see where Notre Dame finally found a team they could beat, and whipped Duke 28 - 7 to go 2 and 9. I think that keeps them bowl-eligible.

re: #73 jcm

re: #71 sattv4u2

re: #67 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

I know of Stephanopoulos all too well from years before he was a Clintonista. i'm from Massachusetts, and he's a remnant from Michael (in the tank) Dukakis

Good 'ole Steponallofus!

back home, when he was just a wee sprite of a hack we called hin Snuffolopoulus

re: #68 ratherdashing

Apparently one jihadi is down. Another jihadi leader is renouncing violence.

Jihadi Violence Revisited

A heavyweight ideologue of al-Jihad group has drafted a new document where he revisited the group's initial ideology and renounced violence. In his treatise, Sayed Imam, who co-founded the first cell of al-Jihad group with Ayman al-Zawahri in Egypt in the late 1970's, revisited the juristic foundations that justified the group's violence against Muslims and non-Muslims.

The document titled "Document for the Rationalization of al-Jihad in Egypt and the World" is expected to be published in sequels in the local and regional press starting next week.

These revisions mark a drastic paradigm shift for Imam, the author of two previous books that influenced the thinking of most Arab jihadists and al-Qaeda members. Imam drafted this document behind bars where is serving a 25-year sentence. He is expected to be released in 2029.

"This document will stir a turbulence within the ranks of al-Qaeda all over the world," says Diaa Rashwan, an expect on Islamist groups with al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies who has already read the full version of the document.

/ 48 hour rule

This is the key quote

Around 2000 members of al-Jihad group still languish in Egyptian prisons. If they all endorse Imam's revision, the government may be encouraged to release them.

Didn't the British gov't. want to build that mosque only to have some muslim sect afraid of letting another sect have that much power centered in one spot?
I thought in-fighting amongst muslims was the reason there was any delay.

re: #69 Drogheda

re: #58 Ashamed to be Dutch

re: #51 3 wood

Oops. That link to the Chavez article is here.

But this article doesn't mention his "Christian cross sign" nor the two times he cited Jesus and the Holy bible IN SAUDI ARABIA ...

The fact he cited Jesus, the Bible and made the Christian cross sign IS considered very offensive in Saudi Arabia (and in many muslim countries)

I'm sure it would be very offensive if you were to do it in downtown Riyadh where ordinary, run-of-the-mill Wahabbis and (if you're unlucky) the mutaween could see it.

Doing it in private in front of the ruling elites would likely not draw much reaction at all.

Yes, that's right, but again it shows the muslim double standards and that's the interesting point. Christianity "signs" is "offending" muslims all over the muslim world except when it's in in muslim favor (the OPEC trying to keep / rise the oil prize).
I have read so many reports about poor Filipinos workers (etc) in terrible trouble for having a bible in Saudi Arabia...

re: #75 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

re: #65 jcm

re: #61 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

PC in NASCAR? all the cars equal!
*spit*

Let's go out run a revenuer on a back road!

If I had the money, I'd start a new series, same way they built cars through the early 70s. Put in a roll cage, safety seats, weld the doors shut, replace the side windows with nets. On a 2 door large size sports car. Like the Monte Carlo. Maybe enough of a range in wheel base to allow Mustangs to race, as they look cool. Stock V-8 engines, tweaked anyway they want, as long as total displacement is limited, and nitro isn't used.

Ever watch the SPEED show 'Back in the Day'. Street cars, with door handles and gas caps.

I'd like an "unlimited" class, what ever you can stuff under the hood.

Amazon now lists 686 copies of Unfit for Command, Swift boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, used and new from 1¢.
There are 3,141 customer reviews!

re: #17 NY Nana

re: #14 rightwinger3

I am a member of the same club.

I self-delete alot.

That question mark was a one cent sign...

re: #85 David IV of Georgia

Don't do that...you could go blind
: )

re: #80 Canadian Guy

One just has to wonder if it's a stall tactic to regroup, reload and fight another day. Or maybe its an old man having second thoughts about what he unleashed.

re: #72 gop_patriot

re: #57 Drogheda

So, he was bailed so he could go to another police station? I don't understand the UK system either. LOL

A little check at Wikipedia does show that "Herts" is short for "Hertfordshire" and that Stevenage is a town therein. So saying he is from "Stevenage, Herts" is the same as saying he is from "Stevenage, Hertfordshire."

Given that, I don't believe it was another police station.

The aerodynamically identical 'Car of Tomorrow'. Especially compare and contrast photos of the cars that don't have the decals applied yet.

Why NASCAR thinks IROC style identical cars is a good thing, I don't know. The cars have a larger 'green house' for driver safety, but I don't know why they couldn't have made the green house bigger and still kept the makes unique.

re: #62 Ojoe

re: #60 David Simon

Lucibello has them by the short hairs. You deal with them militarily.

I hope we have the will. I hear top military brass say things like "we can't kill enough of them." WTF? We have enough weaponry to wipe out the planet several times over. The correct phrase is "we can't kill enough of them without causing unacceptable collateral damage - at least for now."

I firmly believe that we will win the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But that leaves Iran, Syria and NW Pakistan - with the rest of the Middle East being put on notice that their bigotry and misogyny will no longer be tolerated. A very tall order.

Britain may wake up to its peril. But I doubt it, really.

re: #64 Le_Patriot

re: #60 David Simon

Here's the money quote as far as I'm concerned:

"Jihad starts from the moment your mother gave birth to you."

Yup, the medical term for this malady is Infant Rage . . . It later progresses to Rage toward Infidels

We outgrow infant rage with the proper upbringing. "Rage toward Infidels" is brainwashing, pure and simple.

re: #92 David Simon

It is far from over, short of a miracle.

re: #86 jaunte

That question mark was a one cent sign...

I'll buy on of those for one cent. I have an old coffee table, one leg is a little shorter than the others and it wobbles !

re: #84 jaunte

Amazon now lists 686 copies of Unfit for Command, Swift boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, used and new from 1%uFFFD.
There are 3,141 customer reviews!

Looks like Mr. Kerry has some shopping to do at Amazon. I don't know that he can do anything about all those comments though. Unless Teresa buys him Amazon for Christmas.

More on Kasey Kahne incident. BTW, his mother should have been spanked for the 'K' thing.

Nextel Cup driver Kasey Kahne is under investigation by the Homestead Police Department for pushing a track security guard to the ground Friday before the Craftsman Truck Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway.

A conflict ensued between Kahne and the security guard after Kahne could not provide the proper credential for his brother, Kale Kahne, in order to enter the drivers' motorhome lot inside the speedway, according to Police Capt. Tom Foglia.

After the incident, Foglia said, the security guard complained his blood pressure had escalated. An emergency vehicle was called and the security guard was taken to the infield care center.

Foglia did not have the name of the security guard or his condition as of early Saturday afternoon.

The security guard was concerned about his blood pressure?

From Nascar.com site.

ot

U.S. accused of taking sides in Shiite factional fighting
The U.S. is providing “logistic and intelligence assistance” to a rival Shiite faction to weaken the Sadr Movement, a movement’s senior official said.Bahaa al-Araji said the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, a leading ally of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, was working to undermine the movement and to provoke its military wing.The Mahdi Army, the movement’s military arm, has vowed to suspend military operations targeting U.S. and Iraqi troops as well as other militia factions.
But Araji said the movement, led by Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr may not be able to keep its promise with the U.S. siding with one of its major rivals.
The two militia factions are reported to have mounted a unified front against Sadr’s Mahdi Army in several cities in the south, particularly in Karbala and Najaf.

“We are afraid that leading figures in the Sadr Movement will not honor the decision by Moqtada al-Sadr to freeze activities by the Mahdi Army,” Araji said.

It was the first direct hint by the group that it may once again resort to arms in its struggle against rival factions and U.S. occupation forces.

[Link: www.azzaman.com...]

sorta "divide and conquer" principle in action.

Now Mookie's mighty monkey army may turn in on itself.

It's the old addage;
the friend of my enemy use to date my second cousin twice removed... ;)

re: #92 David Simon

I hear top military brass say things like "we can't kill enough of them." WTF? We have enough weaponry to wipe out the planet several times over.

Most of which is absolutely useless in a place like Iraq.

The reason things are turning around in Iraq isn't because of the number of people we've killed, it's because we've (finally) begun applying counter-insurgency tactics INSTEAD of killing people.

re: #91 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Ed I think I'm gonna hit my local dirt track more often

Texas Tornado

Gonzales County. Historical markers in the county.

Nancy O'Dell was 1992 Miss South Carolina and graduated Summa Cum Laude from Clemson.

I'm watching a key ACC matchup, a reeling Boston College at Clemson.

WOOT!

Take 'em down, Dano. Take 'em all down.

re: #94 David Simon

So true. (Please forgive my weak attempt at humor)
: )

re: #103 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

I can't beleive BC lost to Maryland, let alone Florida State

re: #100 lobo91

re: #92 David Simon

I hear top military brass say things like "we can't kill enough of them." WTF? We have enough weaponry to wipe out the planet several times over.

Most of which is absolutely useless in a place like Iraq.

The reason things are turning around in Iraq isn't because of the number of people we've killed, it's because we've (finally) begun applying counter-insurgency tactics INSTEAD of killing people.

I'm well aware of the counterinsurgency strategy. And it may very well be a perfect plan for Iraq. What about the rest of the Middle East? How would you like to be the President trying to sell a war with Iran or an invasion of NW Pakistan?

I realize that the Russians killed a million Afghans and displaced millions more - and they still lost the war. I don't pretend to have the answers.

no one watching Cincy and W.V.

re: #109 hayseed

no one watching Cincy and W.V.

yup ,, and I also have Oklahoma / texas tech set to go on a 3rd screen

ahhh ,,, it's good to work in the satellite TV transmission business !

re: #33 Canadian Guy

Congrats! You got quoted on Doug Ross.

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

All six questioners on CNN appear to have been plants

Now lets be fair here. You can't expect CNN or the Dems to allow ordinary citizens to question these candidates. Ordinary citizens just aren't intelligent enough to understand the mental gymnastics it takes to arrive at the positions held my these mighty intellects. The average Joe or Josephine cannot comprehend what kind of intellectual fortitude is required to ignore the world as it is and achieve the world they hallucinate envision.

And remember, it was a bunch of these ordinary citizens that voted for George W. Bush, not once but twice.

Can you imagine the embarrassment it would cause if an ordinary citizen asked a question like: "Each of you talks about 'ending the war in Iraq'. None of you ever mention the word 'victory'. Has 'victory' become a dirty word for the Democrats or are you all a bunch of candy-assed defeatists?"

Chaos. It would result in absolute chaos.

re: #112 USBeast

Better still

"Each of you want a new course and a change for America. Please tell me, America being the leader in free world for the last 70 years, does this new course mean you want us to now be a third world nation?"

re: #31 pat

Muslims are being banged up left right and centre over here for terrorist offences.

While the UK government is busy congratulating themselves that they are best country in the world to handle terrorism they are doing nothing to tackle the causes of Islamic terrorism by tackling the Imans and radical groups that have attached themselves to the mosques.

re: #102 song_and_dance_man

IIRC, he is out on bail.

YouTube/Google ♥ the cult of islam.

re: #108 David Simon

I'm well aware of the counterinsurgency strategy. And it may very well be a perfect plan for Iraq.

Some combination of COIN and kinetic warfare is ultimately going to be what works in Afghanistan, too. JDAMs work fine against Taliban fighters out in the hinterlands, but they aren't terribly effective for stopping car bombs in Kandahar or Kabul.

How would you like to be the President trying to sell a war with Iran or an invasion of NW Pakistan?

War with Iran is a given. The only question is when. I don't think anyone is seriously considering a large-scale invasion, however.

As for Pakistan, the only person I've heard making plans to invade was Obama. Since he's never going to be president, I don't really care what stupid ideas he comes up with.

re: #85 David IV of Georgia

I self-delete alot.

I am not that good! ;)

But there are things that I think to myself.

Now, some sanity in Britain! Let's hope that his cell mate is a particularly well-hung man with an interest in young Muslim men ;)

I know it's crude, forgive me.

re: #116 lobo91

Some combination of COIN and kinetic warfare is ultimately going to be what works in Afghanistan, too.

Okay, let's back up. One of the reasons why COIN is working in Iraq is because Al Qaeda overplayed its hand. Zarqawi tried to start a civil war between the Sunnis and the Shia, and the Sunnis, being far outnumbered, threw their lot in with Al Qaeda. When Al Qaeda started terrorizing the Sunni population, the Sunnis switched sides (to us, not the Shia). Look who's fighting with our guys: the 1920s Martyrs Brigades among others. Think they don't have lots of American blood on their hands? Think again pal. Oh, and we're tens of thousands of dead and wounded and perhaps a trillion or so dollars invested in the war on "terror" already. Plenty of people get that we're in for a long, expensive struggle; but then again, plenty of people don't. And there are enough swing voters to make me very nervous.

JDAMs work fine against Taliban fighters out in the hinterlands, but they aren't terribly effective for stopping car bombs in Kandahar or Kabul.

That brings me back to my original post, and the point I failed to make: we need to break the death cult, and in order to do that, we need to kill the propagators.

War with Iran is a given. The only question is when. I don't think anyone is seriously considering a large-scale invasion, however.

I'm not sure I understand you. War IS a large scale invasion. Are you saying that we're going to bomb Iran's nuclear sites and be done with it? Maybe. That will buy us some time, but I think that full scale war is inevitable. I hope I'm wrong.

As for Pakistan, the only person I've heard making plans to invade was Obama. Since he's never going to be president, I don't really care what stupid ideas he comes up with.

I suggest you read up on what is going on in NW Pakistan. Obama's statement was clumsily worded, but he's right in that we've got a big problem on our hands. If Pakistan falls, the Taliban and Al Qaeda end up with nukes. There are enough ISI sympathizers to ensure that very real damage can be done.

re: #119 David Simon

I suggest you read up on what is going on in NW Pakistan. Obama's statement was clumsily worded, but he's right in that we've got a big problem on our hands.

Obama has never been right about anything in his life, including about what's going on in Pakistan.

As for my needing to "read up" on things, I'm not particularly interested in engaging in a pissing contest here, but I'm pretty sure that only one of us was in a briefing with a 3-star general this afternoon. I'm also pretty sure it wasn't you.

If Pakistan falls, the Taliban and Al Qaeda end up with nukes

And invading Pakistan would be just about the quickest way to ensure the fall of Pakistan's government.

re: #80 Canadian Guy

O.k., but it'd be much more helpful if someone like Yusuf Qaradawi would do some "clarifying" about jihad and Islam, he actually could probably make a difference with the Islamic masses. And as for Egypt in general, I'm really shocked that Bush hasn't chosen Egypt of all Islamic nations to press his democracy foreign policy. This is the country he should be focused on!

re: #120 lobo91

re: #119 David Simon

I suggest you read up on what is going on in NW Pakistan. Obama's statement was clumsily worded, but he's right in that we've got a big problem on our hands.

Obama has never been right about anything in his life, including about what's going on in Pakistan.

As for my needing to "read up" on things, I'm not particularly interested in engaging in a pissing contest here, but I'm pretty sure that only one of us was in a briefing with a 3-star general this afternoon. I'm also pretty sure it wasn't you.

If Pakistan falls, the Taliban and Al Qaeda end up with nukes

And invading Pakistan would be just about the quickest way to ensure the fall of Pakistan's government.

I'm not interested in a pissing contest either, but nothing you've posted on this thread leads me to believe that you're aware of the precarious situation in Pakistan. The bit about what will happen if we invade Pakistan can be gleaned from any newspaper, as can most of what you've posted so far.

Tell me something I don't know, like what we're going to do about the Taliban and Al Qaeda safe havens in Waziristan?

re: #122 David Simon

Tell me something I don't know, like what we're going to do about the Taliban and Al Qaeda safe havens in Waziristan?

Sorry, but the answer to that question is above my pay grade (and clearance level). I'm pretty sure that things would have to get a whole lot worse before we considered invading Pakistan, though, particularly given the fact that we don't actually know exactly where they keep their weapons.

Besides, even if I could answer questions like that, I wouldn't do so here. Unlike the publishers of the NY Times, I actually believe in the concept of need-to-know with regard to classified material.

re: #123 lobo91

re: #122 David Simon

Tell me something I don't know, like what we're going to do about the Taliban and Al Qaeda safe havens in Waziristan?

Sorry, but the answer to that question is above my pay grade (and clearance level). I'm pretty sure that things would have to get a whole lot worse before we considered invading Pakistan, though, particularly given the fact that we don't actually know exactly where they keep their weapons.

Besides, even if I could answer questions like that, I wouldn't do so here. Unlike the publishers of the NY Times, I actually believe in the concept of need-to-know with regard to classified material.

Fair enough. If you really are in the military, my deepest thanks to you for doing what you do for my family and me.

re: #122 David Simon

Tell me something I don't know, like what we're going to do about the Taliban and Al Qaeda safe havens in Waziristan?

For now, we're gonna do nothing. We have no good overt actions available to us. We'll have to let Musharrif handle things to the best of his ability. He may be more nimble than he appears.

If things get funky, we may fly close air support out of Afghanistan, providing air cover for Pakistani troops... but that would be extremely provocative for many in the region, so don't look for it soon. Down the road, perhaps, but not yet.

If the AQ/Taliban types get their hands on the nukes, I think India would step in before America... being right next door and not too friendly with Pakistan to begin with, they would have the most to lose.

[Just a regular guy's opinions]

re: #124 David Simon

Fair enough. If you really are in the military, my deepest thanks to you for doing what you do for my family and me.

Going on 29 years, now. Which may explain why some of the new Soldiers look so young, these days...

re: #125 stevieray

re: #122 David Simon

Tell me something I don't know, like what we're going to do about the Taliban and Al Qaeda safe havens in Waziristan?

For now, we're gonna do nothing. We have no good overt actions available to us. We'll have to let Musharrif handle things to the best of his ability. He may be more nimble than he appears.

If things get funky, we may fly close air support out of Afghanistan, providing air cover for Pakistani troops... but that would be extremely provocative for many in the region, so don't look for it soon. Down the road, perhaps, but not yet.

If the AQ/Taliban types get their hands on the nukes, I think India would step in before America... being right next door and not too friendly with Pakistan to begin with, they would have the most to lose.

[Just a regular guy's opinions]

Eh, not buying it. We've launched several missile strikes...women and children killed...seething...death to America etc. It passes. The reason not to invade is the horrific casualties that we would sustain. But eventually, something has to be done. One safe haven cannot be traded for another.

As for terrorists getting their hands on nukes, by the time they get their hands on them, it's too late. India may be in the cross hairs, but so are we.

re: #126 lobo91

re: #124 David Simon

Fair enough. If you really are in the military, my deepest thanks to you for doing what you do for my family and me.

Going on 29 years, now. Which may explain why some of the new Soldiers look so young, these days...

lol. It's getting to the point where everyone looks young to me.

re: #33 Canadian Guy

Wow this is a scandal.

A Dem activist from Ark
An anti-war activist
A union activist
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer

Add a sixth:

A radical Chicano separatist who's worked directly with the Democratic Party.

This really is a scandal. Perhaps of Rather-sized proportions.

What is the purpose of building a mosque near the Olympic site? Gee, I wonder.