Pathetic, but what else is new?

Defector1 is exactly right. If a world leader was pro-American, then the NY Times hated him/her. A defeat for America or its policies is always a good thing, in the Times' opinion.

BHG

ABC radio was kvelling over this and celebrating that they're going to pull their troops and sign on to the Kyoto scam.

They should know all about defeat. They are rooting for it in Iraq and displaying it in ad revenue at home.

Even inconsequential victories by the Islamists excite the NYT.

The Bourbon Princess is not amused.

John Howard was defeated, but history will remember him well, even if the NY Times doesn't.

this is not good news

And get this...the completely nuts lead singer from Midnight Oil Peter Garrett, will have a role in this new government!

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

"Kvelling". Heh.

BHG

Aznar lost, what, four years ago?

What about Sarkozy winning?

Kevin Rudd is fluent in Mandarin...well sort of. While translating for his ambassador at an Australian-China meeting he translated " Australia and China are experencing a new close relationship " as " Australia and China are having simultaneous orgasams" ding ding.

Australia’s prime minister, John Howard, one of President Bush’s staunchest allies in Asia

I know they're political morons, but they seem to have a little problem with geography as well.

re: #12 threecoloursblue

Kevin Rudd is fluent in Mandarin...well sort of. While translating for his ambassador at an Australian-China meeting he translated " Australia and China are experencing a new close relationship " as " Australia and China are having simultaneous orgasams" ding ding.

LOL!

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

Australia’s prime minister, John Howard, one of President Bush’s staunchest allies in Asia

I know they're political morons, but they seem to have a little problem with geography as well.

Maybe they're going the way of the Brits.

re: #10 bald headed geek

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

"Kvelling". Heh.

BHG

If hayseed is reading, kvelling means they're rejoicing.

/

#11 JammieWearingFool 11/24/07 11:08:42 am reply quote report 0

Aznar lost, what, four years ago?

What about Sarkozy winning?

That one must hurt deeply. re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Have fun with that Kyoto thing, people will be making about 15% less money, but at least al Gore will be racking in the carbon offset credits, and then he can make more propoganda, so all the libtards win.

But sorry regular Australians you are going to fare poorly.

Here is something the NYT will not be gloating about: $17.26

This is the closing price of their stock on Friday. The 52-week low is $16.75

Sigh well we also lost the Polish Government receintly as well.

The WOT is back tracking is no doubt. But at least Al queda is taking a beating right now

Before we get too upset we should keep in mind that our freinds in the Australian and Polish militaries are still with us. The governments might change but their arm forces know their american counterparts well

and this story on my blog shows that while the military suffers setbacks even the most badly wounded soldiers still fight on

[Link: willamos.myblogsite.com...]

Army Times

Too ornery to die yet’

By Lee Hill Kavanaugh - The Kansas City Star
Posted : Friday Nov 23, 2007 11:39:04 EST

ATCHISON, Kan. — The stares bother him the most.
People see the red flesh that creeps along his cheekbone and jaw. The dangling left arm with permanent nerve damage. The wheelchair. The stump where his lower left leg was.
“It’s what I gave for Iraq,” Army Spc. Scott Stephenson, 23, says with a shrug, and then he’s quiet for a moment.
He’s grateful that the rest of him is back in the U.S., even if his home for nearly a year has been the Brooke Army Medical Center at San Antonio

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

What? You mean that Australia ISN'T in Asia?

Signed,

Ron Paul

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

Australia’s prime minister, John Howard, one of President Bush’s staunchest allies in Asia

I know they're political morons, but they seem to have a little problem with geography as well.

I have seen those idiots at the NYTs do that before. And of course they are incapable of correcting themselves. This appears to be some sort of effort to redistribute geopolitics rather than a simple misstatement of geography.

#14 MandyManners 11/24/07 11:10:19 am reply quote report 0

re: #12 threecoloursblue

Kevin Rudd is fluent in Mandarin...well sort of. While translating for his ambassador at an Australian-China meeting he translated " Australia and China are experencing a new close relationship " as " Australia and China are having simultaneous orgasams" ding ding.

LOL!

I was only allowed to give it one ding. re: #14 MandyManners

re: #2 bald headed geek

Well how did they respond to Sarkozy's victory and Howard/Blair's past wins or Merkel's election? The NY Times treated it as a non-story or saw it like a banana republic stooge was put into place. Sarkozy's now 'Bush's poodle' but Chirac was a 'french statesman'.

I am sorry to hear of Mr. Howard's loss at the polls. He was a good man and he was leading Austrailia in the right direction in my opinion. Apparently the good people who vote in that country do not agree with me!

I'm sorry to see Howard lost, but if the Times or anyone else says he was defeated because of Iraq, they're lying. I think people there just wanted a change after nearly 12 years of the Howard government running things. Hopefully Rudd won't be as weak-kneed as the men who replaced Aznar and Blair.

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

Yeah, last I looked, Australia was a freakin' continent, as well!

Asia, pffft!

re: #27 6pat6
#27 6pat6 11/24/07 11:15:54 am reply quote report 0

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

Yeah, last I looked, Australia was a freakin' continent, as well!

Asia, pffft!

One world, no borders - how the heck can they do that?

Seen some strange things posted about Rudd online over the past couple of days...

...but at least he doesn't fornicate camels or bugger little boys, like certain Middle East leaders have/do!

Oh, that's right, it was the same NY Times that called Libya our ally.

Idiots.

re: #12 threecoloursblue

Now THAT'S funny!

re: #27 6pat6

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

Yeah, last I looked, Australia was a freakin' continent, as well!

Asia, pffft!

It is? I just though it was a big island...

/

The Catmeat Imam wins a round.

I suppose the headline "Bush Ally -Unlike Our Darlings- is NOT President For Life," would not be fit to print?

re: #27 6pat6

Continent, shmontinent. What does it matter so long as the evil Bush regime is made to look bad in the eyes of the world? You need to see the bigger picture!

BHG

P.S. Yes, I'm being sarcastic...

re: #30 JammieWearingFool

Welly, Libya IS the ally of those in this country who support terrorism...

BHG

re: #32 JammieWearingFool

That must be similar to "What is the capitol of Colorado?" to which the college student replied "Iowa!".

I'm pretty convinced that we (lizards) are the only intelligent lifeforms left on the planet!

Unfortunately, it is the way of things that after a long period of right-wing rule, people feel secure enough to vote in leftists again. Then, with the leftists have screwed everything up, they elect right-wingers to fix it. And so it goes.

re: #24 Defector01

Yup. That's my point exactly.

BHG

John Howard is a real stand up guy who was able to articulate why we fight. I read somewhere that Reagan was one of his role models, in terms of both substance and delivery. I'll never forget that press conference in London after the bus bombings, where Howard seemed like a cool-headed adult as Tony Blair looked like he was ready to pee his pants. Four terms was a great run however. We should all be grateful a man of his stature and moral clarity walked on the world stage.

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Aznar lost, what, four years ago?

What about Sarkozy winning?

Answer:
We have an childish openly giddy liberal/progressive press.

The NYT might take some time to notice the difference between democracies and dictatorships which have passed Carter's Test for Democracy(TM)*. In the dictatorships the democratically elected leaders never retire at the urging of their adoring (cowering? combination?) masses. In a democracy even the best of leaders must retire to the opposition from time to time.

*Although the exact make-up of the Carter Test (TM) is a trade secret, observers have deduced the primary elements to include policies and public statments which are anti-free trade, anti-free press, anti-free religion, and racist.

A message to Australian voters, from Chopper.

Howard was in power for 11 years. Even with good overall governance, an electorate will switch parties in stable democracies on a regular basis.
Too many controversies and scandals build up over that amount of time, legitimate or not, but that's just how it works. It's healthy.

In his first month in office, Rudd will personally save the universe by signing Kyoto and will bring home Australia's humongous number of troops in Iraq. Then however, he will have to produce tangible results and will be held accountable.

I wonder how many Drive-by Media outlets call attention to this "Australia is in Asia" thing. If Bush said that, AP would report it in a millisecond. Isn't NYT supposed to be a "respected and solid" newspaper?

I suppose we must accept that change happens. I look at it thusly:

A Labor government in Australia over the next few years would be like a Democrat in the WH come 01/09 ... it will ensure that it won't happen again in this century. Sometimes people need to play with fire.

Profile of Rudd.
Revenge of the nerd

I like how they fail to mention Chirac, Schroeder, Chretien - all major Bush opponents, getting clobbered... The NYT "All the news we want to print."

re: #45 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

It's called Australasia most places in Europe. And that's the politically correct thing to call it too.

Well of course the NYT is psyched, for them it's like one of Satan's generals falling in battle. Hell, half the paper is probably written by Islamist stringers these days...

Keep laughing assholes, we'll see what's so funny when the NYT closes its doors. How are those circulation numbers doing?

Today they selected appeasement of the Muslims...Howard was a straight shooter, told it like it was, and it is indeed a shame he lost.

Despite what the NY Times would love to believe, the war in Iraq is a non-issue for ordinary people.

Sadly for the NY Times is that Tony Blair, John Howard and George Bush were all re-elected during the Iraq war. This throws the Libs into a weird dimension alled "reality", and they have to deal with a fact they are normally sheltered from: that most people don't share their point of view.

In MSM land this result can only mean one thing, however as I say, the last election proves that the war is not an issue - so why did John Howard lose this time? Because of voter fatigue. He has been in power for 11 years and that's a very long time.

Tony Blair did not resign because of the Iraq war - he retired because he'd been in power for 10 years.

When you get a decade of the same leader, the public start itching for a change in the political landscape.

And that's it.

.

dammit - I wish LGF allowed editing :-(

preview is my enemy

It seems that Australians, like Americans, need to suffer through nosepickers periodically. Not to worry, I suspect they'll right themselves soon enough.

They should only scream "Bush Ally" when they win, like in France and Germany.

But this one was an easy call.

#481 Ben Hur 11/23/07 7:45:52 am reply quote report 0

Of Howard loses the MSM will not see the implications beyone "Blow to Bush."

Blow to Bush
Blow to Bush
Blow to Bush.

Thanks for everything mate. We will never forget you Mr. Howard

No "KREIKY!" yet from anyone?

I wonder if the Fv

This is disconcerting news.

Uptight and mfarmer1 are correct , it was a simple case of voter fatigue. The impulse to give the 'other guy a chance' is a powerful one. Sarkozy in France however bucked the trend by persuading voters they didn't need to change parties in order to vote for change. I hope the Guiliani camp is listening.

re: #38 V the K

Unfortunately, it is the way of things that after a long period of right-wing rule, people feel secure enough to vote in leftists again. Then, with the leftists have screwed everything up, they elect right-wingers to fix it. And so it goes.

Funny how it seems to work like that.

Sad day. I feel for the good Australians that voted for Howard.

I looked at Kev's website and that of the Labor party. I'll be damned if I couldn't find any mention of Islamic terrorism or jihad. But Kev sure does have some smart, Euro-trash glasses, doesn't he? Looks like he just walked out of the Porsche boardroom.

How soon before Hillary uses his victory as a tacit endorsement of her campaign? Maybe she'll be sporting the same glasses soon enough.

The 2 greatest scourges and threats to civilization are indeed man made - Communism and Islam, and they both star front and center in those hemispheres - but since neither involve the internal combustion engine I would say big Kev's priorities are dangerously out of whack.

Didn't Peter Garrett just about admit to being a Marxist about a decade or so ago?

I can hear the ululations from around the globe...

re: #55 irongrampa

It seems that Australians, like Americans, need to suffer through nosepickers periodically. Not to worry, I suspect they'll right themselves soon enough.

"i-g" -

"EARWAX RUDD?"

-S-

re: #55 irongrampa

My prediction is that within a month or two , Kevin Rudd will be in the Rose Garden expressing Australias solidarity with the U.S. and their commitment to ANZUS.

Those that determined to fight and those who fought in the Iraq battle will be an established lesson. It's a shame we didn't punch harder.

Australia, will be a safe haven for a season. May G-d Bless those who keep and protect her.

Howard lost as a result of the left wing media. The left wing Australian Broadcasting Corp (ABC) has been anti Howard for years. In fact John Howard has likely lost his own seat to an ex ABC presenter. During an interview last night with the main political ABC anchor, Kerry Ob Brien said "Howard has lost to the ABC" - a slip of the tongue that meant to be "ALP" for Aus Labour party.

Don't underestimate the power of the left wing MSM!

“Today Australia looks to the future,” Mr. Rudd told a cheering crowd in his home state of Queensland. “Today the Australian people have decided that we as a nation will move forward.”

He means just those "Asian" Australians allies.

It's 6:30 the morning after the election here in Australia and despite some predictions, the sun has still come up. Howard has been an outstanding Prime Minister during a very tough period in world history. His resolution to stand side by side with America despite the rest of the world abandoning the fight earned him many enemies here and abroad but at the end of the day, it was just voter fatigue that brought him down. The man was getting old and after twelve years in power, a fifth election victory for him was simply a bridge too far. He will be missed.

Merkel in Germany is also more pro-American than her predecessor, tho that's not saying much. Germany has some troops in Afghanistan, don't they?

Heh, like a 53%-47% result is SUCH a massive blowout! And Rudd has promised only to pull out the 550 Aussie combat troops, he's leaving the 1100 security and support troops there. So, not that big of a deal, in the end. I feel sorry for our Aussie friends, though, as they'll now have to suffer through some radical socialist and nutjob policies, such as Rudd's promise to sign the Kyoto Treaty. Good luck Down Under!

The world is losing what little will it had to resist radical Islam. Not good.

John Howard was a fine man and a great friend of the United States. I wish him only the best and I for one will always be grarteful. When Sarkozy and Merkel won (as well as Stephen Harper in Canada) the NYT was quiet. John Howard was Churchillian in my opinion. Speaking of which - I suppose the Times was jubilant in 1945 when the fickle British public threw Churchill out of office and installed a mediocrity like Clement Atlee.

re: #71 Samurai

I would not be surprised if Al-Qaeda tries a little "persuasion" down under to see if they can get Rudd to remove the rest of the Aussie forces as well. Sorry to say.

The guys at Powerline say it best

John Howard, a staunch ally of the U.S., has been soundly defeated in the election for prime minister of Australia. Howard, the second longest serving PM in Australia's history, was expected to lose, but not by as large a margin as he did.

Kevin Rudd will be the new prime minister. As Michelle Malkin observes, the differences between Howard and Rudd are not likely to be great, especially when it comes to foreign policy and relations with the U.S. However, Rudd almost surely will not be the heavyweight in the global war on terror that Howard was.

Michelle is correct that the American left will read this election as a referendum on President Bush and the war in Iraq. However, such a reading is silly, and would be even if Rudd were anti-American. The lesson of this election, as with the election of pro-American leaders in France and Germany and with the replacement of Tony Blair in England, is that in politics nothing lasts forever

re: #52 uptight

Spot on. Bush, Sarkozy, Howard elected? "Nope, nothing to do with Iraq, that," the Legacy Media ™ bleat. Howard defeated? "Iraq! Iraq! Iraq." Not just stupid, they're transparently stupid.

re: #69 yankee

Where are you? The sun is not shining in my part of Melbourne.

I suppose I'll give Rudd a chance, however, it doesn't seem that a "Hillary's man" will gain much of my respect.

"Mr. Howard’s defeat, after 11 years in power, follows that of José María Aznar of Spain..."

How 'bout the re-election of Howard a couple of years ago... How 'bout the re-election of George W. Bush?

Bite me NYT morons.

Prediction: Australia will likely go immediately into recession as a result of the Kyoto sign on and other leftist, class envy policies Rudd will no doubt shove down their collective Aussie throat. He will then blame Howard for this as any future problems arise from the Rudd government's LLL actions. He'll also blame Bush and very possibly Americans in general.

I wonder how this affects AUS purchases of the Super Hornet and F-35.

Two thoughts on this:

1) For you Aussies out there, were the votes divided a lot between urban and rural areas? That's the way it is in the U.S.: Big cities vote liberal, rural and suburban areas vote conservative.

2) I hear a lot of mention of the fact that Howard had a very long run in politics, and it simply was time for a change (that's the way it goes in politics...). Presuming that to be the case, couldn't his party have "read the tea leaves" that it was time for a change, and put someone else up as the candidate?

On the bright side, the NYT's subscription numbers are down so bad that hardly anyone reads the rag anymore.

re: #80 Live4Truth

1) I'm not quite sure if it was as clear cut as that.

2) There was talk of John Howard stepping aside for Peter Costello. However, Peter Costello does not have the charisma of John Howard. In the end, Howard committed to resigning part way through the term in order to let Peter Costello in. It wasn't enough.

Another factor that has probably not been reported in the overseas msm is that many "young" Australians do not remember what the country was like that last time we had a labour gov. They don't know what a recession feels like. Things have been so good that they've gotten cocky. Australia, you know not what you have done.

The LLL in Australia are obsessed with redefining Australia as part of Asia. By doing so, they will be able to redefine everything from geopolitical concerns, as well as a host of statistics. This is also why the LLL in America and Europe also embrace this redefinition, it serves the universal LLL purpose of 'globalization'.

There is a minority in Australia that lacks any domestic pride or loyalty, they hate their Country as much as the LLL in the US hate theirs. The difference is that there are a lot more of these people in the US (and Europe).

re: #52 uptight

Didn't happen with FDR!

Oz goes down the goldbrick road in the War Against Islamofascism.

It's a cul de sac that charms the naive.

Then bites them in the ass.

Good luck, mates.

re: #83 little blessing

re: #80 Live4Truth

1) I'm not quite sure if it was as clear cut as that.

Here's a map of the last big election in the U.S. (2004). I suppose it isn't real clear cut here either, but you can see trends in that map: Big cities, Red, wide-open spaces, Blue. I find that map particularly helpful, because it shows shades of red and blue, and is broken down by county (a county here comprises many cities, and a state is comprised of many counties).

Another factor that has probably not been reported in the overseas msm is that many "young" Australians do not remember what the country was like that last time we had a labour gov. They don't know what a recession feels like. Things have been so good that they've gotten cocky.

In general, that sounds like a challenge for every generation: To teach the younger generations the lessons that have already been learned, so that they don't have to be learned all over again . . . the hard way.

Hang in there, LB.

"Mr. Howard’s defeat, after 11 years in power, follows that of José María Aznar of Spain..."

Well, yeah, but it also follows the elections of Merkl in Germany, Harper in Canada, and Sarkozy in France. So what?

The Aussies have been great allies. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's a little disconcerting to see them select a two-fisted earwax sucker when what the West needs is another warrior, but I guess we'll find out soon if Rudd is the new "Australian Carter".

re: #32 JammieWearingFool

That must be similar to "What is the capitol of Colorado?" to which the college student replied "Iowa!".

Which reminds me of the pompous lady who over heard people at the next table in a posh restaurant in Aspen say they were from "Iowa". She corrected them.

"Here we pronounce it "O-h-i-o"

I, for one, am glad to see that Oz has changed it's position, and will now be welcoming our new Islamic over-lords!

Greetings from a hot and Sunny post election Australia.

I was asked a somewhat serious question yesterday by a very left inclined business acquaintance. Knowing my conservative leanings he said in part: “ ... how will you drown your sorrow and anger on Saturday night ... ”.

After a moments thought: "would I be sad and angry or would he?” I decided it would be my associate's dark day not mine. He’s a true believer, one of those on the left who believes in the ‘light on the hill’. It’s he who will be filled with sorrow and anger now the cold light of a Rudd government has chilled him awake this Sunday.

At least with Howard he had someone he could safely hate.

What does Rudd mean to the shiny eyed left? Nothing, no grandiose plans to revive the favourite glittery things the left so adores – just more of the same fiscal conservatism from a new prime minister and treasurer who've promised to slash $10 billion from federal expenditure and decimate the commonwealth public service.

Rudd will make a token ratification of Kyoto and withdraw part of our forces in Iraq some time towards the end of 2008 – their job largely done.

We are still at war with the Islamo-fascists and Rudd has promised more troops for Afghanistan.

Rudd’s ‘climate change’ policy is almost identical to Howard's – just tokenism to placate the slavering Greens whose votes he needed to claim office.

So am I going to worry or shed a tear if Rudd gets across the line – I don't think so, however I still prefer Howard as a man and politician and his excellent speech at the National Press Club last week confirmed my opinion of him.

Howard didn't reciprocate the unpleasant personal attacks Rudd delivered in a stumbling speech he read the day before, Howard didn't hesitate and he didn't sweat and fidget as he took and answered difficult questions one after the other with ease – a truly prime ministerial performance.

I'm going on a long driving holiday soon and I just cant wait to hit the road; sunrise over the desert, music playing, a cup of tea in hand and a conservative Australia rolling under my wheels regardless of who won.

So suck it up you of the left, you lost more last night than if Howard had won.

Well, this rips it - we might as well elect Garrison Keillor president for life now.

The Anglosphere is crumbling. The Britain of today is not at all the same as that of World War II. Australia is home to many strong and brave people whose voices have been squelched by leftists who outnumber them.

There's a glimmer of hope with Sarkozy and Merkel, but time will tell if it's enough. What we need is strength now, not compromises.

Feh.

About the Kyoto treaty... what would it take to get one's country back OFF the treaty if and when things start going south because of it? What happens when they eventually come to realise the Kyoto treaty is based largely on junk science, wishful and wrongheaded thinking?

What's going to happen in the world in general, and to all those that supported such things, when everyone realises this global-warming thing is a collossal scam?

The NYT are being the UGLY American. Guess what? Australia has their own political concerns beyond Iraq and the US. Just like everything else that goes on in the world the NYT and the left view it solely as a response to President Bush.

Let them gloat and spew their rhetoric. As their stock continues to plummet it may be the last presidential election they can influence with their drivel.

Well, there is one problem that doesn't have to do with Howard the man at all and that's 11 years of power. In a monarchy that's nothing, in a dictatorship, nothing, but in a democracy, that's a long time and people simply get fidgety. Leaders like Howard usually do not come in one after another. What would be stupendous would be to have a line of outstanding leaders, each one prepared to fill the shoes of his predecessor, but that happens very rarely in history.

Leadership in a democracy is wearing - constant work on consensus building - unlike the do-this-do-that of a dictatorship - but it makes for a stronger national unit. Now with this in mind, one only has to look at the geriatic US Senate and be reminded that for every good leader there are a score and more of grubby little hacks. Ah, what a boon to get them electorially cleaned out as frequently as the good ones are.

At least one good thing about this election: Terms in Australia are only 3 years, which means it's just long enough for people to come to realise what a mistake they might have made, but short enough that it minimises some of the damage the wrong guys might actually do in that period.

We have 4 year terms here, and I betcha the current term of the bunch that got elected in 2006 here is going to seem a lot longer than 4 years by the time it is over, regardless of whether we elect a Demoncrat or a Republican next year to the White House. And this next year is likely going to be a really long one as well, just waiting for that election to come about!

"Mr. Howard’s defeat, after 11 years in power, follows that of Jose Maria Aznar of Spain, who also backed the United States-led invasion of Iraq"

Like everyone else on here I thought about how it has been four years since then, and in that time Merkel, Harper, and Sarkozy had won in their respective countries.

"...and political setbacks for Tony Blair of Britain"

Are you kidding me? Seriously? Political setbacks are equated with defeat now? Matters not that Blair, and President Bush for that matter, won re-election since Iraq began, but they are gloating over Tony Blair having "setbacks"?
By this astounding utter lack of logic, Reagan's 1984 near complete sweep of the electoral map was a "setback" for him since he didn't get every electoral vote.
I think I can see how this pattern will play out in NYT parlance:
US wins in Iraq: a "setback" for Islamic Militants
US loses in Iraq: a victory against the US
-or-
Iraq pacifies military: a political "setback"
Iraq pacifies politically: a military "setback"
Sometimes you just have to laugh.

The New York Times has helped ruin our reputation in the world along with Al Jeezera.

Under liberals I predict Australia's crime rate will rise if not soar, it's welfare rolls will increase, more businesses will leave the country, and the violent Muslims (see, I qualified that) will feel emboldened and justified.

Now I have to scratch Australia off my list of potential countries to relocate if Hillary is elected.

What's the odds that the WSJ does to the NYSlimes what FNC did to CNN? A repeat performance. I give the NYSlimes a few more years, then bankrupt -- Shedding subscribers quarter over quarter, pretty soon they won't be able to give it away free.

really we have to get serious about educational propaganda here in the US. The left here has a monopoly on it. How is a left leaning democrat any different from Osama Bin Laden. They all use the same talking points.

VB is to neo nazis as Moveon is to Osama Bin Laden.

there is a battle in the US school system to institutionalize the Marxist class struggle based on class, race,and poverty and we are losing. Workplaces are having mandatory re education classes as these students graduate and enter the work force. That is where the propaganda lives.

We best legalize the Mexicans here while in power and slow down the muslim immigration into this country. And then go force the merit system back onto the schools and the local governments as a national common good. Every kid should graduate with a Patriot pin.

re: #99 DistantThunder

Now I have to scratch Australia off my list of potential countries to relocate if Hillary is elected.

There is nowhere else. There is only here.

From what I have heard the new PM will sign the Kyoto ProtocolScam and withdrawsurrender in Iraq.

1) Iraq was barely mentioned in the campaign

2) The Labor victory was almost entirely decided by a domestic issue - the 'workplace reforms' implemented by ex-PM Howard.

3) For Labor to win, they had to choose Rudd as leader and he is easily mistaken for a Conservative.

4) Last election, Labor allied with the 'Move-On' psyche and were comprehensively beaten. This election they shifted entirely to the center.

In effect, Australia voted in a conservative leader last night - mistakenly believing that he would be able to control his party members. We, as Australians, will discover this over the next couple of years, however combining 1) short three year terms 2) complex Senate control 3) 'the 'conservative' electioneering agenda - there will probably be little damage done.

SYDNEY, Australia, Nov. 24 — Australia’s prime minister, John Howard, one of President Bush’s staunchest allies in Asia, suffered a comprehensive defeat at the hands of the electorate on Saturday, as his Liberal Party-led coalition lost its majority in Parliament.

Australia is in Asia?

re: #104 ausboy

In effect, Australia voted in a conservative leader last night - mistakenly believing that he would be able to control his party members.

That will be interesting to watch, that's for sure. I hope there's plenty of shitfights and maybe a resignation or two :)

That is, assuming, that the Ruddstar has some balls...

re: #105 jayzee

I remember a few years back there was this whole thing that Australia was trying to get itself into Asia. Basically a stronger business ties kinda thing.

As for NYT, bunch of wankers - i dont think that the iraq was was even mentioned even once in the entire election campaign.

Labor (or any other leftist party) certainly didn't produce any anti-Iraq War advertising during the campaign, that's for sure.

re: #107 zoidberg

even mentioned even once

that sounds good... PIMF!

re: #104 ausboy

2) The Labor victory was almost entirely decided by a domestic issue - the 'workplace reforms' implemented by ex-PM Howard.

I guess we can thank the scum sucking unions for that - minority voice fear-mongering the majority of the population.

If Rudd has some balls and works in 'the national interest' like he says he will, there might be some pissed off unions.

Mr. Howard’s defeat, after 11 years in power, follows that of José María Aznar of Spain, who also backed the United States-led invasion of Iraq, and political setbacks for Tony Blair of Britain.

It's a shame about Howard, but 11 years is quite a long time for one party to have power in a democracy.
And I see no mention of the conservative in Canada, or the American-phile (relatively) presidents in France & Germany. Of course.

re: #94 NomadOfNorad

About the Kyoto treaty... what would it take to get one's country back OFF the treaty if and when things start going south because of it? What happens when they eventually come to realise the Kyoto treaty is based largely on junk science, wishful and wrongheaded thinking?

What's going to happen in the world in general, and to all those that supported such things, when everyone realises this global-warming thing is a collossal scam?

It's really not an issue. European countries are already violating what their pledged reductions, iirc, while berating the US for not making the same lies. So it would be under Kyoto; we'd be lambasted for trying to change what everyone else ignored.

follows that of José María Aznar of Spain, who also backed the United States-led invasion of Iraq,

not mentioning the fact that Aznar was ahead in the race until the huge terrorist attack in Madrid whose goal was to defeat him.

re: #88 THX-42

The NYT is never one to let a few facts get in its way. It would rather just ignore those other elections which give lie to its world view. Frankly, the paper is an absolute disgrace, and I wouldn't trust it to report on a neighbourhood bake sale.

BHG

re: #95 Mekan

Let them gloat and spew their rhetoric. As their stock continues to plummet it may be the last presidential election they can influence with their drivel.

Amen. We can only hope...

BHG

Hi Guys,

It might be nice for our American friends to congratulate my country on another successful exercise in democracy and wish us well with our new government.

It is certainly in bad taste to run off at the mouth at a government and leader who has not even been in power for 24 hours. I expected more from LGF people.

BPK

re: #99 DistantThunder

The New York Times has helped ruin our reputation in the world along with Al Jeezera..

Wait, you mean that there is a difference between the NYT and al Jazeerah. Oh wait, there is. Al Jazeera is more honest about the U.S. than the NYT is...

BHG

re: #115 brown_paper_kid

If you review all of the comments, I think that you'll find that a lot of the anti-Rudd comments are from people living in Australia. As well, I think that what you're seeing is as much a reaction to the way the election was commented on by the NYT as anything else.

BHG

We have made our bed... Now we sleep in it.

I hate it for the Aussies... but they asked for it, they got it. Some random blogger said

(When Infidels start Dyin' , don't come Cryin')...

I hope they're wrong in this case,
but Just Sayin'...

...and let's just hope that the US isn't in the same crying game a year from now.
It could happen here, folks...
We'd better wake up... there is no snooze button on this one.

I was in Australia at the height of campaigning and there were so many issues being discussed and probably the least that matter to Australians was Iraq and Kyoto. Somehow the NYT could not get over their Bush syndrome that they had to make it the reason of their article.

re: #115 brown_paper_kid

Congrats man, Hope all is well with the new PM. At least he chose Scores and not some west side dive.

Re #122 sakublock

Thanks for your wit, I enjoyed a chuckle. You were correct with respect to Iraq and Kyoto. Most of the reasons for the change in government were peculiar to Australia.

Once again thanks for the laugh.

#122 sakublock

You haven't come across a dusty pair of pants somewhere in Memphis have you. One of our previous prime ministers lost his in that place. Come to think of it many of our ex pms have been at least as interesting as bubba.

AWWW shucks, it's too bad he can't come over here and run for President! I'd vote for him.

The NYT...what a joke.

I'll barely be able to control my joy when the NYT finally closes it doors for good.

re: #25 Thor-Zone

I am sorry to hear of Mr. Howard's loss at the polls. He was a good man and he was leading Austrailia in the right direction in my opinion. Apparently the good people who vote in that country do not agree with me!

Not all of the people who voted in Australia voted for Rudd, just the stupid ones.

re: #67 bobbytimbo

Howard lost as a result of the left wing media. The left wing Australian Broadcasting Corp (ABC) has been anti Howard for years. In fact John Howard has likely lost his own seat to an ex ABC presenter. During an interview last night with the main political ABC anchor, Kerry Ob Brien said "Howard has lost to the ABC" - a slip of the tongue that meant to be "ALP" for Aus Labour party.

Don't underestimate the power of the left wing MSM!

Staff meetings at the ABC would probably class as an ALP branch meeting anyway. Probably hold them at the same time to reduce travel.

Unlike some, I do not have full confidence that it will be a minimally harmful next few years. Even with the semblence of following suit with some parts of the former foreign policy, the spirit is not there and the dislocation will become quite clear.

Leaving aside defence policy, which stands to be put through the wringer, in security terms we shall see a very big embrace of the multilateral agenda, deification of the UN and the quiet end of many regional and wider policies. Nothing initially drastic. As some have said, we will see Mr. Rudd make his way to the Americas and mouth the appropriate platitudes, but it will be just sounding brass. Behind the rhetoric will be no real firm support or resolution. Back to 80%. If we are lucky.
As mentioned, Mr Rudd is a sinophile and that will have an impact.

Domestically, things will change. A return to the halcyon days of Keating in regards to multiculturalism, control of immigration, political correctness, reconciliation...I wouldn't be suprised if the republic and flag made it on to the agenda.

Looking at his record in Queensland, there is not much to look forward to. And along with that comes the rest of the circus.

To compound matters, the Treasurer, Peter Costello has announced he will not seek the Opposition Leadership; this may be a tactical move, but it does leave things that bit more chaotic and give that bit more advantage to the Labor Party.

Rudd is no conservative as someone above suggested and his female second in command is a blooming communist.

The Kyoto signing is an initiation rite into the anti-American camp, you know, "We have this wonderful plan to save the world from frying but the mean greedy Americans won't sign on and that's the only reason our brilliant plan won't work". The Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper has been left alone to carry the commonsense can on Kyoto and as leader of a minority government facing 3 leftist parties in opposition who can outvote his party, he is facing overwhelming odds, even though he's pointing out the truth - that the Kyoto emperor has no clothes.

Even if fully implemented, Kyoto can't make more than a half degree temperature difference but what it will do is transfer crippling sums of money from the United States economy primarily (and to a lesser extent from the other developed economies) to the developing world - India and China primarily. Russia is also a big winner through the scam that when all its communist ancient heavy industry ground to a halt through disrepair and mismanagement, that self-inflicted failure alone met Russia's Kyoto commitments. Democrats in Congress and heaven forbid the presidency with their eternal need to please countries not fit to lick American boots will obligingly try to buy international approval with their own country's fiscal well being.

The moral of the Australian story is that no matter how (justifiably) we laugh at the MSM, they end up having the last laugh because they are still powerful enough to swing the mushy middle who can't be bothered to look up other sources toward the rabid left and win elections. We've seen it in Britain, now in Australia and in Canada they are keeping the Liberal party's head above water when it should be fathoms under. All three of those countries have state funded broadcasting networks that are left wing propaganda centers with a side order of anti-Americanism. In the USA, the left has managed to capture all the private major media outlets televised and print, in addition to PBS. Even Fox gives them equal time.

I ask again, where are the conservative counterparts to Soros? Why do the big money men like Gates and Buffet go barmy and embark on socialist projects after capitalism has worked so well for them? Why do they convert to socialism? Are they trying to buy their way into heaven? And why socialist heaven? What about the God who helps those who help themselves i.e. those who put in effort instead of whining for handouts? Why do Gates/Buffet live a productive life of self-sufficiency, then encourage dependence in others?

Without big money, there is no realistic way to counter the effect of big media. Collectively, they are overwhelming all common sense. Sure, the NYT is going down the toilet, but not fast enough. There's still enough poison left in the fangs to see the USA stumble into Democrats' arms and because we are in a time of vulnerability like no other, this may be the big one from which there's no recovery.

Australia has made a fatal error. People are truly complacent and stupid both Down Under and in the West. The jihadis have that going for them.

Rather good analysis, but one point of terminology is off - the left wing media is in no way keeping the Liberal Party's head above water here, as the Liberal Party was the dominant party in the conservative Coalition.
A rose by any other name...

I know this thread is long since dead, but none the less, something occurs to me. It seems that if you change language constantly, one never has to argue a point. Such as "moving forward", I ask, into what? "We need a change", OK what are your ideas? A little tip for anyone out there who might have a conversation with someone that uses the term "progressive" to describe themselves, tell them, "so is cancer". That is my line lizards, and I hereby license you to use it.

re: #132 aussiesimon

Guess my comment wasn't clear, but I was referring to the Liberal party in Canada which is left of center, has been in power for decades with brief interruptions, was turfed only because of a serendipitous combination of a corruption scandal too widespread for their media handmaidens to cover up and a weak leader since replaced with an even weaker leader and they are STILL running neck and neck with conservatives in the polls. One wonders what they would need to do to be put out of the running...strip naked in Parliament and moon the Canadian public? Liberal voters in Canada are like Dhimmi voters in the US. They never change their party (except in Canada they have a choice of three other parties even further left to park their protest votes with and they do).

re: #133 shrew_tamer

Love the line. Will use it with your permission. The cancer of leftism is metastasizing around the world, with Australia the latest cluster. It's so discouraging. Just when France is seeing some light, Poland and Australia give way.

I liked Australian wines, but now I can return to Italian Pinot Grigio. Or, -gasp- even French wines.

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Mr. Howard’s defeat, after 11 years in power, follows that of José María Aznar of Spain, who also backed the United States-led invasion of Iraq, and political setbacks for Tony Blair of Britain.

Interesting bit of spin. José María Aznar was defeated in elections in March 2004. In October of that year Australia once again voted John Howard into power. So the connection, if not actually random, is just specious.

Just to underline my previous post, from PJM:

The stress on the value of the alliance in yesterday’s victory speech from Rudd suggested that the word ‘consultation’ is more than just a fig-leaf for a peremptory Australian pull-out. Rudd touched on numerous other key policies that would form his government’s ‘agenda for work’. But he pointedly did not mention Iraq: a glaring absence that must have disappointed the leftist activists in the Labor Party. The manner in which his government handles this issue will be important for its future.

It is important to note here that the election was not any kind of referendum on Australia’s involvement in Iraq. Iraq policy played almost no part in it. The three main areas of policy affecting the result were all domestic: the Howard government’s new workplace legislation (which many workers were convinced gave too much power to employers); education policy (with Rudd promising an ‘education revolution’ involving laptops and high-speed broadband connections in every pot); and climate change policy (where Rudd out-greened Howard).

Iraq was a side-issue at most about which most Australians do not feel passionately one way or the other. They do however have strong feelings about the American alliance overall. Rudd knows this very well.

137: Aznar lost because he lied about ETA being the bombers, and Howard because he thought a good economy outweighed everything else. And a recent UK poll found an Opposition lead would become a dead heat if Blair was still PM.

With pro-American governments in France and Germany replacing anti American ones, there is as much evidence to prove the opposite to what the NYTs claims.

"Bush Ally Defeated in Australia"

Every event in the world is viewed through the Bush Derangement prism to see how it can be spun to attack the president. They and their ilk are truly sick.

...I wondered why my birds were squacking in their cage this morning...the story about Howard and a "Blow to Bush" must have been face up in the bottom of their cage. My neighbor gives me her complimentary NY Times for my bird poop.

But alas, Generalissimo Fransico Franco is still dead...

One issue that made John Howard a lot of conservative enemies was the gun laws. In 1996 after the Port Arthur masscre, he led a baying lynch-mob of MSM, academics, activists, public servants and feral suburbanites to trash the names of gun owners and confiscate their guns. A media hate campaign against shooters went on until roughly mid 1999. It tapered out as we ramped up to the 2000 Sydney Olympics created a radiant cloud of goodwill for all Australians, and two great Australians brought home Gold in shooting events - again.

Shooters here, as in other countries, are a very diverse group not a monolithic voting bloc, and we have not been able to punish him at the polls because of lack of unity. Nevertheless, one million less people voted for his party in the election of 1998. The main coalition party, lost 40% of its members in Queensland becasue of their betrayal.

If our votes helped bring them down, it was only on the back of the main issues of the rest of the electorate, who were tired of the Libs. Their ongoing reform agendas - GST, tax restructure, Workplace Agreements, refugees etcetera had been completed. New reforms, emergency intervention in aboriginal matters, and meddling in the State- run health system, were not part of the mandate.

It's interesting that The LA Times modified today's headline with a bit more ideology than their November 23rd coverage : [Link: www.latimes.com...] - "Australian voters may be ready for a change".

That was probably more like it. 11 years is a long time to be looking at the same face on the evening news, no matter what their performance is. I doubt that this election is a proxy referendum on Bush.

Even so, I hear the new guy, Kevin Rudd, back-pedaling already - he will "negotiate" the withdrawal of (500) Australian troops and will "push for" the signing of the Kyoto treaty.

Note well, liberals, if Hillary is elected she will not get out of Iraq (neither would Obama or Edwards since none of them understand enough foreign policy to control it).