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Update: The Heinous Teddy Bear of Blasphemy - Teacher Charged

Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 8:56:15 am PST

The British teacher in Sudan who let her students name a teddy bear “Mohammed” has been charged with “insulting religion,” as degenerate “militants” call for demonstrations after Friday prayers.

A British teacher who faces 40 lashes after naming a teddy bear Mohammed has been charged with insulting religion, showing contempt for religious belief, and inciting hatred.

The grim news for Gillian Gibbons, 54, came as Islamic militants called for demonstrations after Friday prayers in a bid for tough action.

“Khartoum north prosecution unit has completed its investigation and has charged the Briton Gillian (Gibbons) under Article 125 of the criminal code,” SUNA state media said, quoting a senior Justice Ministry official. It added the file would go before court on Thursday. Gibbons was expected to appear.

Mrs Gibbons has been accused of insulting the Prophet Mohammed after giving a class teddy bear the sacred first name.

Lawyers say the teacher, who is from Liverpool, could face 40 lashes, a fine, or six months in jail if convicted.

UPDATE at 11/28/07 9:26:12 am:

What it’s like to be lashed: ‘My whole back felt like it was on fire’: As a British teacher faces 40 lashes, one man speaks out.

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1 sultan_knish  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:57:23am

When will Westerners learn to stop taking jobs in countries under Muslim law, no matter how tempting the pay may be.

The come on probably promises them exotic locations and a chance to explore another culture. Well this it

2 mama winger  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:57:46am

Taking something good and making it something bad. That's islam.

3 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:58:18am
Khartoum north prosecution unit has completed its investigation and has charged the Briton Gillian (Gibbons) under Article 125 of the criminal code

It's grimly hilarious that they dress up their Dark Ages barbarity with civilized-sounding criminal procedure language.

4 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:58:29am

And the politically-correct multi-culturalists leap to her defense.

I said... LEAP to her defense!
.
.
.

::crickets::

5 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:58:48am

I'd like to see her rescued by commandos.

6 FreakyBoy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:58:49am

"Inciting Hatred" is not a crime in Islam, it's a feature.

7 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:59:02am

Not only are the Islamists worried about the blasphemy, but anyone who might insult Islam or Mohammed and punishing anyone who might not adhere to the dictates of Islamic law.

But, they're also thinking that this is an insidious plot by the West against Islam.

8 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:59:03am

Law & Order: Teddy Bear Blasphemy Unit

9 Gagdad Bob  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:59:26am

Shouldn't she be punished for insulting teddy bears?

10 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:59:37am

re: #1 sultan_knish

Are you blaming the teacher? Come on!

11 Curt  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 8:59:59am

NOW, its the time to stand up for justice for your sister.

/if a man speaks in a crowd of feminists, does anyone hear him?

12 lookingup  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:00:53am

And how would she know that mohammed is a sacred name. At least 1/3 of the bastard males have that name.

13 WeddingGuy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:00:55am

re: #2 mama winger

Taking something good and making it something bad. That's islam.

Amen. Oh, am I allowed to say that?

/sarcasm

14 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:01:28am

Anyone think this'll wake up the British to the problem in their own land?

15 Curt  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:01:42am

# 5 Ojoe;

I'd like to see her rescued by commandos.

Yes, the SAS could have some fun with this...re: #5 Ojoe

16 Gagdad Bob  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:01:46am

She got off easy. They beheaded the teddy bear.

17 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:01:50am
Lawyers say the teacher, who is from Liverpool, could face 40 lashes, a fine, or six months in jail if convicted.

They declined to mention the obligatory multiple rapes at the hands of the prison guards, I see.

18 Seattle Rep  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:01:51am

Is that the actual teddy bear pictured? Muhammad holding a heart that says 'I Love You' on it? Geez louise.

19 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:01:57am

Does it have to be said again? I mean they come here and expect us to bend over backwards to protect THEIR rights. But when we go over there we HAVE to respect their rights. Does this make sense to any one?

20 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:02:06am

This is the future for all who would accomadate the caliphate.

Either resist or live a life with fewer rights than a slave.

21 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:02:18am

What about the kids that wanted to name the teddy bear Mo? Do they get the lash too or only the infidel?

22 Gershon  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:02:34am

Why doesn't England take her out of there?

23 Cato the Elder  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:02:38am

Hold on a second - if Mahomet's name is "sacred", how come every second inbred male in the Muslim world is called that or some variation thereon?

24 Photon Cowboy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:02:49am

That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog.

25 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:03:02am

But...but the bear was already named Teddy.

26 simonml  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:03:10am

Would naming your child Mohammed also be considered "insulting religion"? What if he's really ugly?

27 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:03:20am

Tickle me elMO was not available for comment...

28 amphibian  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:03:23am

Well to be fair, I think that a certain amount of seething is actually in order in this case. By the teddy bears of the world! Hell, I'd be offended in their place.

Expect scenes of rioting stuffed animals pelting froggie gendarmes with gumdrops any day now. Followed by a quick and orderly surrender.

29 Curt  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:03:37am

#19 BlueCanuck;

Does it have to be said again? I mean they come here and expect us to bend over backwards to protect THEIR rights. But when we go over there we HAVE to respect their rights. Does this make sense to any one?

I'd rather not call punishment a "right." I think the leaders of Islam would like us to think that, tho.

30 mama winger  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:03:47am

What would Theodore Roosevelt do?

(inspiration for the original Teddy bears)

31 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:04:07am

Well the Brits have requested the presence of the Sudanese ambassador. I know Bush is trying to create unity against Iran but ... if they don't release the woman the entire civilized world should recall its citizens, send Sudanese officials home, cut off all aid, declare war against Sudan, destroy the village and the school, stop all immigration from that country and generally treat it in the way its behavior has earned itself.

32 Seattle Rep  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:04:20am

#24
"That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog."

That would be an insult to dogs.

33 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:04:25am

re: #10 DeafDog

No I don't think so, but going to these places to take jobs when they can do what ever they want to you makes NO sense!

Time to pull out of these nutty countries!

34 Dead Sea Squirrel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:04:30am

re: #18 Seattle Rep

Is that the actual teddy bear pictured? Muhammad holding a heart that says 'I Love You' on it? Geez louise.

No, the actual Mohammad bear has a heart that says, "Hey, kid: Allah wants you to blow yourself up"

35 Curt  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:04:40am

re: #30 mama winger

What would Theodore Roosevelt do?

(inspiration for the original Teddy bears)

What would Thomas Jefferson do?

36 Gaye Kukkin-Offenyam  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:05:03am

The teddy bear told the press that he is Jewish and that his real name is Moshe Bearkowitz.

37 amphibian  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:05:20am

re: #19 BlueCanuck

Does it have to be said again? I mean they come here and expect us to bend over backwards to protect THEIR rights. But when we go over there we HAVE to respect their rights. Does this make sense to any one?

Let a pig sit at the table and it will climb onto the table. Russian saying.

38 GreenDroll  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:05:24am

I am going to start naming my bullets "Prophet Mohammed"

39 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:05:46am

She goes there to help the kids and this is the muslim thank you she gets.

40 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:05:52am

On Fox News:
Tammy Bruce is ripping the NOW for refusing to take a position on this case.
She also said the Sudanese 40 lashes might be fatal for the not-so-young Ms Gibbons.

41 amphibian  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:06:11am

re: #24 Photon Cowboy

That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog.

Poor dog.

42 simonml  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:06:40am

Was this the work of the Mossad?

They teach young Muslim children to read and write and take care of stuffed animals. Sounds about right! EVIL JOOS!

43 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:06:40am

re: #10 DeafDog

I don't think he's "blaming" her...but I agree with him in what I think he's saying. That any sane, reasonable, logical, adult type person should know the truth about islam, about the country they are thinking about moving to, about their laws and the penalty for making a mistake of this kind.

It doesn't matter to them that the kid wanted to name it MO. They wanted a reason to punish and infidel and they found it. As a matter of fact, the more I think about it, the more I think she is responsible. Not responsible for causing this ridiclious, horrible situation...but for being stupid enough to get herself into this mess. At some point, you have to ask whether or not it's safe to go into the lions den...you can't always just blame the lions. We should know what they're capable of...

Again, yes - the muslim laws regarding insults to islam are pure facist evil.
But if you go to Saudi and hold your bible in plain view on the corner, you should know what will happen to you. Who knows, maybe she knew what she was getting into( moving to an islamic state) and went anyway.

44 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:07:44am

re: #41 amphibian

re: #24 Photon Cowboy


That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog.

Poor dog.


I might name a rat or other vermin that, but a dog deserves better.

45 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:07:48am

A compromise could be reached.

She should be sentenced to write of the chalkboard 10,000 times that:

Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace.Islam is a relgion of peace...

46 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:02am

re: #40 mean Gene

She also said the Sudanese 40 lashes might be fatal for the not-so-young Ms Gibbons.

Which is quite true... but, my prediction, won't happen. The moment the Sudanese begin to actually whip Ms. Gibbons, they lose their bargaining power. No, they're going to milk this for all it's worth, get their ransom, then release Ms. Gibbons and be praised for their "moderation".

47 Tricky Dick  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:08am

I would think naming a Teddy Bear after a psychopathic, murdering pedophile would've been an insult to the Teddy Bear. Go figure!

48 opnion  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:14am

re: #1 sultan_knish

When will Westerners learn to stop taking jobs in countries under Muslim law, no matter how tempting the pay may be.

The come on probably promises them exotic locations and a chance to explore another culture. Well this it


I agree. Years ago when I was young & single, I was recruited by a firm to work for them in Hong Kong. It sounded great.
The problem occured when someone internally posted for it.
The plan was to send me to Saudi Arabia. Uh uh. I declined & told them they stone people there for the things I like, liquor & women etc & I was not that bad. I just knew better

49 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:14am
50 johnny_t  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:29am

Didn't one of the little kids say that the teddy bear was named after him?...his name also being Mohamed? If they want to flog teachers, come to the USA to any Liberal Arts College and go wild!

51 RaiderDan  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:38am

Time for GI Joe and Combat Carl to lead a rescue mission.

And this guy here [Link: www.wnd.com...] came to chew gum and kick ass and he's all out of bubblegum.

52 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:08:52am
53 Vergeltung  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:09:05am

re: #32 Seattle Rep

#24
"That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog."

That would be an insult to dogs.

yeah. not to mention it's just a plain old sh*tty name.

54 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:09:10am

re: #19 BlueCanuck

Does it have to be said again? I mean they come here and expect us to bend over backwards to protect THEIR rights. But when we go over there we HAVE to respect their rights. Does this make sense to any one?

Of course it does, Islam is the Religion of world domination, Islam commands all to submit to Islam. Hence the seemingly double standard, which really isn't a double standard at all. When they come to a none Muslim country that country must submit to Islam, when you go to a Muslim country you must submit to Islam.

55 Terp Mole  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:09:46am

Husker wacademia;

U.S. has no right to claim moral superiority

...Americans, please disabuse yourselves of the idea of this nation as a torch-bearer for democracy, shining its light of liberty into dark and "uncivilized" regions of the globe...

Comments invited here.

56 luckygirl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:09:49am

re: #21 SecretInternetDoucheBag

My thoughts exactly. How would those parents feel about their little ones being stretched out and given the stick for daring to suggest the name in the first place!

57 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:09:59am

re: #45 Opinionated

I hope they don't behead her for my inadvertent misspelling of religion.

58 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:10:10am

I guess that, in order to be in full compliance with Sudanese law (specifically, Article 125 of the Criminal Code... donning powdered wig, ooh, I look just like the grownups!...), the moment that little boy in her class proposed naming his bear "Muhammad", she should have beheaded him.

59 Quiller  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:10:15am

Can I call my toilet paper mohamed? Just askin.

60 zygazint  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:10:37am

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Abbas: We must have e. J'lem as capital

Sorry but Mo' ain't getting it, you mass murdering pos. Sickening.

61 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:10:39am

re: #33 Dustoff-507

Maybe, but in a sense, that attitude is akin to the "withdrawal" crowd.

It seems to me that they are using this poor woman as a pawn to achieve a level of groveling from the west. They need to be made to understand that this sort of punishment to an alleged "crime" is cruel. If they go forward with anything close to what they are talking about, the perpetrators will be held to our justice.

62 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:10:51am

re: #49 ploome hineni

good news Achmed

Romney Denies Vowing No Muslims In Cabinet

Call me whatever you want. This moves him further down the list for me. Just in front of RON PAUL !11!1!

63 realwest  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:11:15am

I gotta say this and then run or at least walk slowly to do chores today, but with every passing day, it becomes more and more clear to me that Islam is NOT a religion; it's a cult.
Period.

64 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:11:19am

. Devout Muslims must swarm the offending bear and tear it's stuffing out.
Allahu Blackbear!
// Primitives.

65 frankp_63  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:11:50am

Fear not, N.O.W. leaps into action!

A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women said the situation "is definintely on the radar, and N.O.W. is not ignoring it.

But she added that the U.S.-based organization is "not putting out a statement or taking a position."

Whew, that was a close call.

66 Teacake!  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:12:06am

what was she doing over there anyhow? A white do-gooder?

67 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:12:12am

re: #58 Occasional Reader

I guess that, in order to be in full compliance with Sudanese law (specifically, Article 125 of the Criminal Code... donning powdered wig, ooh, I look just like the grownups!...), the moment that little boy in her class proposed naming his bear "Muhammad", she should have beheaded him.

Uh uh. If the infidel raised her hand to the boy it would mean beheading for her. The faux-prophet says so.

68 realwest  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:12:52am

re: #33 Dustoff-507 Hey there my friend - sorry I gotta leave, but did y'all get my e-mail yesterday?!

69 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:12:55am

re: #31 GreenSoccer


I don't want Bush involved in this; his likely response would be to tell the state department to relax visa standards even further for Sudanese; a green card to any Muslim of Sudanese extraction who wants one.

70 BingoBunny  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:13:09am

40 lashes, a fine, six months in jail, and gang rape as a bonus said the Muslim prosecutioner.

/there fixed that for ya

71 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:13:39am

re: #67 Crusader Rabbit

re: #58 Occasional Reader


I guess that, in order to be in full compliance with Sudanese law (specifically, Article 125 of the Criminal Code... donning powdered wig, ooh, I look just like the grownups!...), the moment that little boy in her class proposed naming his bear "Muhammad", she should have beheaded him.

Uh uh. If the infidel raised her hand to the boy it would mean beheading for her. The faux-prophet says so.

Hmm... good point. So, I amend my statement; in order to remain in full compliance with Sudanese law, she should have beheaded herself.

72 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:13:47am

re: #62 Owl

re: #49 ploome hineni

good news Achmed

Romney Denies Vowing No Muslims In Cabinet

Call me whatever you want. This moves him further down the list for me. Just in front of RON PAUL !11!1!

Yup, me too, when word first came out that he said no Muslims in his cabinet I though oh, a politician with a backbone who understands the war on terror, but now I see him as just another waffle making pandering politician.

73 Dead Sea Squirrel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:14:01am

re: #65 frankp_63

Fear not, N.O.W. leaps into action!

A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women said the situation "is definintely on the radar, and N.O.W. is not ignoring it.

But she added that the U.S.-based organization is "not putting out a statement or taking a position."

Whew, that was a close call.

They're waiting to find out what Ms. Gibbons' position on abortion is.

74 alpheus  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:14:01am

#2 Mamma Winger

Hi Mamma! It's great to have you back again!
You were missed. :)

75 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:14:04am

re: #70 BingoBunny

40 lashes, a fine, six months in jail, and gang rape as a bonus said the Muslim prosecutioner.

/there fixed that for ya


Then 40 more lashes for getting herself raped, right?

76 luckygirl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:14:08am

re: #55 Terp Mole

Too much rage to comment on that idiotic blather. Can we deport HIM? Send him out into the world for an education on just why we CAN claim moral superiority!

77 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:14:54am

re: #55 Terp Mole

Husker wacademia;

U.S. has no right to claim moral superiority
...Americans, please disabuse yourselves of the idea of this nation as a torch-bearer for democracy, shining its light of liberty into dark and "uncivilized" regions of the globe...
Comments invited here.

Unf*ckingbelievable.

Another bitter Stalinist-wannabe on campus. Color me surprised.

There comes a time when one is growing up. It's a time when the old parental excuses and fantasies are no longer adequate to explain what you see in your day-to-day life.

Li'l Jeffy is impervious to irony as well.

78 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:15:15am

re: #43 Owl

I understand the point, and maybe it's valid if the rules were clearly explained to this woman prior to her taking the position (maybe they were, but I doubt it). More likely, IMO, some imam is using this woman as a pawn and it sickens me.

79 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:15:22am

#18 Seattle Rep 11/28/07 9:01:51 am reply quote report 0

Is that the actual teddy bear pictured? Muhammad holding a heart that says 'I Love You' on it? Geez louise.


That's the part that has all Islam so upset. No sword, no threats, no bombs - just a heart and the I love you sentiment. There aren't enough lashes to the sentence. Get real all you Islamic thugs! re: #18 Seattle Rep

80 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:15:27am

re: #66 Teacake!


She is probably another Rachel Corrie. Which in no way excuses the torture she is enduring at the hands of her Sudanese Muslim overlords.

81 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:15:44am

re: #59 Quiller

Can I call my toilet paper mohamed? Just askin.

Would you really want to insult your own posterior that way?

82 Bill Jefferson  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:16:21am

Friday?

83 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:16:43am

re: #61 DeafDog


Yes they are using this POOR women and when we stop going to these nutty places, they won't be able to use us.

I'm not a withdraw person, but as someone just said. Go into the lions den, what do you expect!

Don't feed the lions. (-:

84 carl b  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:16:54am
has been charged with insulting religion, showing contempt for religious belief, and inciting hatred.

Is this behavior not rampant throughout the muslim world against Jew, Christians, Buddhists and anyone else who doesn't cowtow to muslim beliefs? Hatred against us and contempt for our sacred religious beliefs is spewed from countless mosques, news outlets and government leaders!

85 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:16:54am

re: #76 luckygirl

idiotic blather

He can't be "idiotic", he's wearing Janeane Garofolo Smart Glasses! Didn't you see his photo?! Plus, he's got a shaved head and is wearing a black T-shirt, which proves that he's really tough.

86 boatguy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:17:02am

What would be the backlash if the SAS together with a token "other country force" went in and brought her out to face justice in Britain , as the case could never be settled by a jury of her peers in the Sudan.
Is there any protocol for this? Calling on the Sudanese Ambassador is not a very forcefull measure since he is probably happy to be away from his own country as it is. Can anyone suggest another way to bring pressure on such a ridiculous regime?

87 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:17:05am

While I certainly hope Ms Gibbons is able to extricate herself from that situation, you couldn't entice me to even visit a muslim country for any amount of money.

Our home-grown version of Sharia law, environmentalism, rears its ugly head here in California: it will soon be illegal in the bay area to start a fire in your fireplace. Outdoor grilling, power lawn mowers and smoking a cigarette are next on the target list. These dipwhistle enviro's are every bit as dangerous as the islamists IMHO.

88 ladycatnip  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:17:16am

#14 Leonidas Hoplite

Anyone think this'll wake up the British to the problem in their own land?

No.

89 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:17:31am

At this point her students are probably in danger as well & Ms. Gibbons is probably tempted to take the punishments to protect them.

I curse islam

90 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:17:41am

re: #68 realwest


No I didn't buddy?

91 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:17:59am

re: #83 Dustoff-507

Train the lions savages!

92 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:18:13am

re: #80 firebreather

re: #66 Teacake!


She is probably another Rachel Corrie. Which in no way excuses the torture she is enduring at the hands of her Sudanese Muslim overlords.

...but let's be clear. She chose to have them as her overlords.

93 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:18:35am

re: #66 Teacake!

It may suprise you but there are people who just want to help others, no more complicae than that.

94 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:18:36am

re: #73 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #65 frankp_63


Fear not, N.O.W. leaps into action!

A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women said the situation "is definintely on the radar, and N.O.W. is not ignoring it.

But she added that the U.S.-based organization is "not putting out a statement or taking a position."

Whew, that was a close call.


They're waiting to find out what Ms. Gibbons' position on abortion is.

As well as her sexual orintation

95 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:18:48am

re: #86 boatguy

and brought her out to face justice in Britain

You're being sarcastic there, right?

96 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:18:49am

A dog is a noble animal & no dog should be named after a mass-murdering child rapist who spawned the sickest, most twisted & inhumane belief system in the history of the human race.

Vermin have more nobility than Muhammad; fecal matter has more nobility.

Cancers should be renamed for Muhammad.

97 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:19:15am

re: #87 elevenbravo1969


Our home-grown version of Sharia law, environmentalism, rears its ugly head here in California: it will soon be illegal in the bay area to start a fire in your fireplace. Outdoor grilling, power lawn mowers and smoking a cigarette are next on the target list. These dipwhistle enviro's are every bit as dangerous as the islamists IMHO.

Are you serious? What's the reasoning behind this moonbattery anyway?

98 Dead Sea Squirrel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:19:25am

OT

This is depressing news, if true:

Vatican: Palestinian Refugees have Right to Return


A Vatican official said Wednesday that Palestinian refugees have the right to return to their homeland, and said he hoped Israeli-Palestinian peace talks would address the issue.

Cardinal Renato Martino, who heads the Vatican's office for migrants, said "It is my hope that all the parts of the problem are taken into consideration such as that of the Palestinian refugees, who like all other refugees, have the right to return to their homeland." (AP)

99 DocRambo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:19:29am

Perhaps we should send every freaking cabdriver named mohammed back to their country of origin for associating with infidels daily. I am seriously thinking of getting a pot bellied pig and naming it mohammed. I like the idea of immediately cutting off all aid to a country that can allow such a travesty of justice to occur. Now our politicians are groveling at their feet because if we dare offend them, there is no telling what they will do to this woman. In islam, the innocents always suffer; this is a common denominator in their perfidious ways. They understand only one thing and that is overwhelming force. The lack of capitals is intentional; I refuse to show any respect for the r.o.p.

100 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:19:37am

re: #92 Crusader Rabbit

Disingenuous.

101 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:20:52am

re: #78 DeafDog


The main problem, they change the rules to fit their needs.

102 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:21:21am

re: #100 Ojoe

re: #92 Crusader Rabbit

Disingenuous.


Don't follow you at all.

Was she forced to live in Sudan?

103 greensoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:21:24am

40 bombs for 40 lashes

As an incentive to get the Sudan to act properly, let's just cut off all aid to Africa, including the billions that we are pouring down the drain in the name of aids when what percentage of the cases is a case of diarrhea?
yes I know. if we pull out Bin Laden might show up and create a haven. well then at least we would know where he is so we can drop a bomb on his head.

104 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:21:29am

re: #91 DeafDog


LOL, got a damn big whip?

105 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:21:32am

Oh Happy Days!


UPDATE 1-RESEARCH ALERT-
BofA cuts New York Times to sell
Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:36am EST
106 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:21:58am

are any of the murderous insurgents in Thailand named Mohammed?

107 greensoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:22:08am

re: #98 Dead Sea Squirrel

I don't think I like this new pope.

108 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:22:14am

OT,

An update from America's most dysfunctional city:

With any luck at all, I will be rid of the unspeakably miserable Xanadoo wireless "broadband" system by the end of the day today and I can back to something resembling 21st century internet service. I might even be able to watch streaming video, an impossibility with Xanadoo.

The wait has been so long because Lubbock is the black hole of customer service, and my new service, NTS Fiber-Optic, has taken a month (that's right, a month) to get around to installing their stuff at my house. I could not try yet another service in the meantime because a. it is still in Lubbock and might not be any better and b. I was committed to the new fiberoptic service as soon as I ordered it a month ago tomorrow.

The whole idiotic process with NTS started with the new company taking my credit card over the phone and duly docking me $100 within minutes (the only time a Lubbock business gets in a hurry is when they are taking your money or running from a process server.)
That was a month ago tomorrow. After that, I waited a few days for the installer to show up and instead got a form in the mail to fill out and return to them. I called and they explained that they could not schedule installation until this was completed. I saved a few days (the postal service is also dead-lice slow here) by returning it to them in person. The exchange of snail mail and paper killed another week anyway.
They told me that the first set of installers would be out in "7 to 10 business days" to put in the fiber-optic lines and install some equipment in my garage. (Everything in Lubbock takes "7 to 10 business days" except getting a pizza delivered, which only takes 3 days.)
The installation was scheduled for Monday morning, two weeks from the day and the requisite 7 to 10 business days after I returned the paper forms. The installers duly arrived Monday morning, only 30 minutes late, and did their thing. Another installer would then have to come out and complete the connections inside the house. I called today and discovered that this was in fact scheduled for "some time this morning." In Lubbock business code, this means some time this afternoon or possibly tomorrow morning.

For their part, the Xanadoo swindle has offered to buy back my wireless modem for 25 dollars so they can unload it on some other sucker, but it would be well worth the quarter C loss to break it to bits with a sledge hammer and mail them the fragments.
Remember, Xanadoo is massively promoted as a wireless broadband system. Wireless it is, broadband it is not. Average download speeds, I kid you not, are on the order of 15 Kbps. That's not megabits, but kilobits, about the level of dial-up service you could get in, say, 1993. Xanadoo has a speed test page that is obviously rigged since my speed suddenly accelerates to 500 KbS or more when I log on, then falls back to the usual glacial pace when I go to any other webpage..
The Xanadoo connection takes 3 minutes to load LGF, when it doesn't time out completely, and everyone else's speed test shows the same antiquated performance.

I am less than a mile from one of their towers and the modem shows a strong signal. They just don't have, or won't furnish, the bandwidth. I suspect that it would miraculously improve to the advertised 1.5 meg level if I signed a one year commitment or shelled out another sixty bucks for one of their external antenna packages.
All in all, this is the worst scam and biggest rip-off I have encountered in computing. I suspect that a huge scandal and multiple court cases are in the offing. With any luck, the crooks who run Xanadoo will end up in federal prison before it is over.

109 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:22:29am

Now, while I think this is bad, of course, Hollywood has taught me that every bad thing that happens in Africa is ultimately the result of the actions of some Evil White People somewhere. We simply must find the Evil White People who are really causing this outrage to happen. Based on my Hollywood education, I'd surmise they are probably swanning around London in a chauffeured Jaguar at this very moment.

110 carl b  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:22:32am

re: #19 BlueCanuck

Does it have to be said again? I mean they come here and expect us to bend over backwards to protect THEIR rights. But when we go over there we HAVE to respect their rights. Does this make sense to any one?

Nope! they constantly use their laws against us and our own laws against us. It's a lose-lose proposition for westerners.

111 realwest  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:22:59am

re: #90 Dustoff-507 Huh, sent it at about 10:45 PM your time.
Shit.

112 greensoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:23:28am

I think the teacher went there to do good. Naivete attracts evil. Trust me. I did slip into naivete. Evil showed up.

113 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:23:51am

re: #98 Dead Sea Squirrel

OT

This is depressing news, if true:

Vatican: Palestinian Refugees have Right to Return



A Vatican official said Wednesday that Palestinian refugees have the right to return to their homeland, and said he hoped Israeli-Palestinian peace talks would address the issue.
Cardinal Renato Martino, who heads the Vatican's office for migrants, said "It is my hope that all the parts of the problem are taken into consideration such as that of the Palestinian refugees, who like all other refugees, have the right to return to their homeland." (AP)

Since most of them are from Jordan and Syria etc, they should return.

114 selpaw  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:24:08am

re: #36 Gaye Kukkin-Offenyam


The teddy bear told the press that he is Jewish and that his real name is Moshe Bearkowitz.

Of course! And he is only a bear(kowitz) in disguise after all! Moshe is part of the global international Jewish conspiracy who holds a high ranking in the Mosad. Be aware he sends out lethal blood drinking death rays.

Keep your hands on your wallet as well. You know what happens when we blood thirsty Jews get around money...

As for Gillian Gibbons aka Geltfry Gribenes head of the big Zionist Shmaltz family, trying to infiltrate filthy pigs always gets one in trouble. Just like calling those filthy pigs (wink wink, if you get what I mean)-->CLEAN RoP simply has it's way of backfiring.

just saying

115 opnion  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:24:10am

re: #96 firebreather

A dog is a noble animal & no dog should be named after a mass-murdering child rapist who spawned the sickest, most twisted & inhumane belief system in the history of the human race.

Vermin have more nobility than Muhammad; fecal matter has more nobility.

Cancers should be renamed for Muhammad.


Ya nailed it. Dogs are too high on the food chain.
Mohammod did not like dogs, probably beacuse they did not like him.
Dogs are great critters and have a sence about people

116 Peacekeeper  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:24:21am

I think they used Teddy to stash the Death Star plams.

117 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:24:23am

re: #55 Terp Mole

Husker wacademia;

U.S. has no right to claim moral superiority...Americans, please disabuse yourselves of the idea of this nation as a torch-bearer for democracy, shining its light of liberty into dark and "uncivilized" regions of the globe...

Comments invited here.

Maybe a history lesson is in order.

Throughout the middle part of this century, the U.S. government did its best to undermine democratically elected regimes throughout Central and South America.


Have we reached the middle part of this century and I missed it?

118 greensoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:24:33am

I hear the Muslim Council in Britain is asking the Sudanese to stop this.

119 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:25:08am

re: #92 Crusader Rabbit

re: #80 firebreather


re: #66 Teacake!


She is probably another Rachel Corrie. Which in no way excuses the torture she is enduring at the hands of her Sudanese Muslim overlords.


...but let's be clear. She chose to have them as her overlords.


Politically incorrect though it may be, you are right. Like Rachel Corrie, this teacher is probably a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who would sooner castigate a Tory conservative as an intolerant bigot than utter a peep of condemnation against the murderous & inhumane practices of Muslims, especially Muslims in an exotic foreign culture. (All good Western liberals know that exotic foreign cultures are morally superior to our own).

120 Barking Pumpkin  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:25:30am

Although this is ridiculous in any civilized society, the MSM has jumped on this (currently front page on CNN) and also the Saudi rape case and is shining a very bright light on the "Religion of Peace™" and its hatred for anything not Islamic. Perhaps people who were completely indifferent or uninformed will begin to see just what we're up against.

/I can hope can't I?

121 boatguy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:25:32am

re #95 OR
The sarc was on Jury of her peers. Could not be found where she is or this farce would not be happening.

122 Peacekeeper  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:25:36am

Another victim of Sudan Infidel Death Syndrome (SIDS)

123 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:25:51am

re: #111 realwest

I went to bed my friend. They say it's going to snow here tomorrow

124 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:25:53am

re: #114 selpaw

Do think the Berenstain Bears may have had a hand in this? I mean, oops a paw. A Zionist paw, naturally.

125 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:26:39am

re: #111 realwest

I'll read it tonight. I have a short shift today. Teaching CPR.

126 realwest  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:26:46am

re: #98 Dead Sea Squirrel I reckon someone ought to tell the Pope that the Pali's homeland is ...JORDAN! And the reason that they are homeless is because the King of Jordan formed the Jordanian Foreign Legion (with no "Jordanian Arabs" in it) led by mostly former British Army officers, to kill or drive the Pali's out of THEIR HOMELAND.
Stupid putzes.

127 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:26:52am

re: #120 Barking Pumpkin

So far NOW is thinking.

128 Quiller  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:27:07am

#81 - Well, at least 'ole mo gets to wipe my ass. If they want to whip me, there'd better be strawberries and cream involved!

129 sultan_knish  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:27:39am

re: #10 DeafDog

re: #1 sultan_knish

Are you blaming the teacher? Come on!

No, I'm just saying it's about time Westerners stopped taking vacations and jobs in Muslim countries.

I mean would you take a job in a Cannibal country or one where the law entitled the authorities to shoot you for wearing a red sweater?

Part of the problem is that people are misled about Islam

130 Peacekeeper  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:27:54am

Grin and bear it.

131 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:27:54am

re: #78 DeafDog

re: #43 Owl

I understand the point, and maybe it's valid if the rules were clearly explained to this woman prior to her taking the position (maybe they were, but I doubt it). More likely, IMO, some imam is using this woman as a pawn and it sickens me.


If this woman has no way to find out about islam, then she is totally innocent. If she has any way, any resources wherein she could have known what she was getting into, then I have to say she is at the very least ignorant, and at the very worst, stupid. Maybe she'll write a book about it and we'll know someday. And I'm not trying to be mean or say she did anything wrong. I'm just saying that unless she's lived in a cave for the last 10 years, she should have known there was an inherent danger in being an infidel in a muslim country. And again, maybe she did. I'm not trying to judge her or condemn her by any means.

132 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:28:14am

re: #101 Dustoff-507

That's my guess, too, and - like I said - I understand your point.

Since this is a Brit citizen, it's up to the Brits to figure out a way out of it.

If this were an American citizen, the appropriate response would depend on whether there were travel restrictions to the Sudan. If there are no such restrictions and they tried to pull this crap, then do what the original Teddy Bear would do...speak softly, but carry a big stick

133 KingKenrod  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:28:16am

First, I wouldn't be surprised if her punishment is greater since she tried to blame the children for naming the bear. I'm certain an infidel blaming a muslim child for blasphemy will be looked down upon.

Second, if she had known and instructed the children that naming the bear Mohammad was blasphemy, wouldn't that also be a crime - an infidel instructing muslims about Islam just can't be permissible.

134 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:29:17am

re: #129 sultan_knish

No, I'm just saying it's about time Westerners stopped taking vacations and jobs in Muslim countries.

That is skating dangerously close to a Kos-like "screw 'em" mentality.

135 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:29:29am

THREAT OF TEN YEARS IN JAIL

In Sudan there was speculation that Mrs Gibbons could face a more serious charge than originally discussed.


It had been thought she might be charged and convicted of insulting Islam, which could lead to a sentence of up to 40 lashes and six months in prison or a fine.


But police sources said she might be charged with sedition on the basis that she may have incited rebellion, which could mean a jail term of more than ten years.


Salaheddin Abu Zaid, general prosecutor, said: "Questioning started yesterday and is continuing today.

"We are also questioning witnesses and if witnesses bring new elements to light, the charges could become more serious."

136 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:30:00am

re: #119 firebreather

re: #92 Crusader Rabbit


re: #80 firebreather

re: #66 Teacake!
She is probably another Rachel Corrie. Which in no way excuses the torture she is enduring at the hands of her Sudanese Muslim overlords.

...but let's be clear. She chose to have them as her overlords.

Politically incorrect though it may be, you are right. Like Rachel Corrie, this teacher is probably a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who would sooner castigate a Tory conservative as an intolerant bigot than utter a peep of condemnation against the murderous & inhumane practices of Muslims, especially Muslims in an exotic foreign culture. (All good Western liberals know that exotic foreign cultures are morally superior to our own).


I don't draw any conclusions about her politics. My point is simply that the caliphate does not recognise any concept of rights for non-muslims. Anytime you cross their borders you sacrifice your rights, all of them. Instead you live by their good graces, and as we have seen they are quite ingracious.

137 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:30:23am

What if we all start wearing t shirts with a picture of a bear holding a heart saying I love you in support of the woman? Hey THEY can Riot in the streets at a moment's notice. Why doesn't someone start a march in Washington to march on the Sudanese embassy with signs that read "Kick their asses out." ?

138 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:30:27am

re: #119 firebreather

re: #92 Crusader Rabbit

re: #80 firebreather

re: #66 Teacake!
She is probably another Rachel Corrie. Which in no way excuses the torture she is enduring at the hands of her Sudanese Muslim overlords.

...but let's be clear. She chose to have them as her overlords.

Politically incorrect though it may be, you are right. Like Rachel Corrie, this teacher is probably a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who would sooner castigate a Tory conservative as an intolerant bigot than utter a peep of condemnation against the murderous & inhumane practices of Muslims, especially Muslims in an exotic foreign culture. (All good Western liberals know that exotic foreign cultures are morally superior to our own).

So if she gets flogged, will she convert and become a neo-con?

139 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:31:23am

re: #115 opnion


The theory behind Muhammad's injunctions against dogs is probably accurate... he came to hate the animals after his amorous advances were rebuffed.

Goats, of course, did not object, and consequently are revered as prized sex objects in many Muslim lands.

And it is many a goat who has enjoyed the favors of Ibrahim Hooper, who endeavors to follow the "Prophet's" example.

140 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:31:24am

re: #132 DeafDog

re: #101 Dustoff-507

That's my guess, too, and - like I said - I understand your point.

Since this is a Brit citizen, it's up to the Brits to figure out a way out of it.

If this were an American citizen, the appropriate response would depend on whether there were travel restrictions to the Sudan. If there are no such restrictions and they tried to pull this crap, then do what the original Teddy Bear would do...speak softly, but carry aDAMN big stick

Fixed it for-ya.

141 BingoBunny  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:32:15am

#87

Fireplaces emit smoke.. thats a hazard to polar bears .. debate closed.. nuf said.. pay your fine and shut the smuck up. Besides global warming means no more cold right?

why oh why? do the right wing nuts question our science/ religion.
Al Gore

142 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:32:23am

I also have a gut feelign we'll be hearing Ms. Gibbon praising her captors' humane treatment in the near future. That said, let's not speculate too much about the poor woman before she has been heard from. She may just surprise us, like that Brit former hostage in Iraq who, after release, referred to his captors as "arseholes" (much to the chagrin of the UK chattering classes).

143 GregInSeattle  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:32:37am
144 Spiritualized  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:32:39am

Talking of the Sudan:

Moral Inversion at Annapolis

It was strange, then, to find in attendance at the Annapolis conference on Tuesday one John Ukec, ambassador to the U.S. from Sudan. In other words, among the invitees of a purported peace conference was a representative of a regime that the convener of the gathering himself, George Bush, had openly accused of genocide.

145 carl b  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:32:44am

re: #122 Peacekeeper
Not funny. I know people who have lost children to SIDS.

146 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:32:58am

What if someone draws a cartoon of the teddy bear named Mohammed? Will they then riot in the street?

147 Sponge  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:33:40am

Welcome to the world of islhamic rule.

This is what hollywood and the wealthy leftist think they will get to avoid when the jihad comes to the west and they work to take over the world.

Money buys a lot of things in the Western culture, but buys you NOTHING in islham. They will be in for SUCH a rude awakening.

148 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:34:17am

re: #146 SecretInternetDoucheBag

What if someone draws a cartoon of the teddy bear named Mohammed?

Or even worse... a soft-serve ice cream swirl that looks like a cartoon of a teddy bear named Mohammed... and then they write an opera about it...

149 selpaw  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:35:14am

re: #113 Eowyn2

Vatican: Palestinian Refugees have Right to Return

It is not only the Vatican who wishes for right of return.

Back to the Vatican, railing on Israel is surely nothing new.
All through the last intifada and even in the Lebanon war the Vatican had
choice words to spew against Israel. Recently,

Pope's ambassador to Washington blames Israel for deterioration of relations with Catholic Church, says Israel cannot be trusted and laments that ties were better 'when there were none at all'

LOL! In the end the players come from different sides yet sing in the same choir. Such a partnership...

On a higher note (no pun intended) take a read:
On the Jewish Question by BERNARD LEWIS

150 SonOfLiberty  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:35:16am

She's a 54 year-old woman.

You don't f*&%ing lash a 54 year-old woman. I don't care WHAT her religious / political affiliations are.

NOW, my ass.

I also bet some Kos bastard reads this and says that I'm a chauvanist. If this makes me chauvanist, fine. I don't give a crap. This woman is about the same age as my Mom. If someone decided to lash my Mom, whoever does best make sure I'm very, very dead before they try it.

Grr.

151 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:35:20am

I checked the map and Sudan is on the Red Sea which is off the Arabian Sea. Why don't the Brits do some gunboat diplomacy?
It is below Egypt. They are allies. A team of commandos might go through there. They don't state in what town this takes place.

152 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:35:32am

re: #129 sultan_knish

re: #10 DeafDog


re: #1 sultan_knish

Are you blaming the teacher? Come on!


No, I'm just saying it's about time Westerners stopped taking vacations and jobs in Muslim countries.

I mean would you take a job in a Cannibal country or one where the law entitled the authorities to shoot you for wearing a red sweater?

Part of the problem is that people are misled about Islam, sometimes even by their President.

/ bold is mine

153 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:35:49am

Mohammed. He Who Must Not Be Named.

154 Rain Patriot  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:36:05am

It's been a while since this story broke, and I still have trouble grasping that it's actually happening. If someone had related the initial report to me in casual conversation I probably would've laughed and assumed they were pulled in by something on The Onion. I just really can't... I mean...

It's a fucking teddy bear!

It really almost seems like it can't be incidental anymore, the way it's appeared to me for a while - it really seems like these people have deliberately engineered their whole (legal, social, religious) system to intentionally and completely stamp out, corrupt, ruin, destroy, and defile everything that makes life happy and worthwhile, right down to the smallest, purest, most innocuous little things.

I mean... I...

It's a fucking teddy bear! With fuzzy fur and the little paw pads, holding a little heart that says "I love you" (presuming that the bear pictured is / is similar to the one in question; even if not, the concept is the same). They took something simple and clean, the very essence of childhood, a harmless little toy for children to carry around and hug and love, to play with and give a name to, something so quintessentially happy and turned it into a symbol of their endless hatred, of horror and fear and imprisonment, lashes, shame, humiliation, of death threats and intimidation and everything broken and wrong in the world.

Just like they do to everything... but... this?


It breaks my heart.

155 Le_Patriot  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:36:18am

Here's a photo of Mohammed.
I just dropped him off at the pool.
Look at the fun Mohammed is having !

156 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:36:36am

re: #4 Spiny Norman

And the politically-correct multi-culturalists leap to her defense.

I said... LEAP to her defense!

Are you kidding? The only difference between the multicultists and the Sudanese is to replace "whipping" with a hefty fine, jail time, and a "re-education" with "diversity" counseling. They're already trying to pass laws in the EU just like Sudan's.

This is a clear-cut case of the great leftist First Law of White vs. Brown, and we know who always loses that fight.

157 shibumi  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:36:37am

Fox News seems to be all over this story, and I think that's a good thing. The world needs to be exposed to the evil that is Islam, and perhaps some will wake up out of their fitful liberal sleep.

158 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:36:38am

re: #148 Occasional Reader

You forgot the sneakers of Islam.

159 Terp Mole  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:36:41am

Illinois wacademia has empathy for sharia;

An offensive teddy bear

...This type of insult to the Prophet Muhammad is considered a crime in Sudan, and Gibbons, who is currently in jail, faces possible lashing as a punishment.

After reviewing these facts, the Editorial Board could not help but wonder how she could make such a mistake while teaching in Sudan. If she was teaching in a country with a relatively large Muslim population, wouldn't she just avoid naming the bear Muhammad, just in case?

Note the matter-of-fact Editorial objectivity in "the Prophet" (not "their" prophet).

160 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:37:42am

re: #153 galloping granny

Mohammed. He Who Must Not Be Named.

So he's Hastur the unspeakable... sounds about right.

161 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:38:39am
162 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:38:44am

re: #151 GreenSoccer

I checked the map and Sudan is on the Red Sea which is off the Arabian Sea. Why don't the Brits do some gunboat diplomacy?
It is below Egypt. They are allies. A team of commandos might go through there. They don't state in what town this takes place.

Because they no longer have the crown jewels to do so...

163 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:38:47am

re: #129 sultan_knish


No, I'm just saying it's about time Westerners stopped taking vacations and jobs in Muslim countries.

I mean would you take a job in a Cannibal country or one where the law entitled the authorities to shoot you for wearing a red sweater?

Part of the problem is that people are misled about Islam

Oh, I don't know. I took a job in a Muslim country, namely Iraq. The daily sucide bombings and the occasional ambush were admittedly an annoyance, almost as bad as the ubiquitous presence of the international gin and whisky club media, but unlike this poor Brit woman I did have the advantage of being allowed to shoot back. It makes a lot of difference, both in one's own sense of well-being and in the attitude of the locals.

164 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:38:54am

re: #154 Rain Patriot The intention is to break our spirit so we will submit.

165 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:39:10am

re: #143 GregInSeattle

I know sicking isn't it... I live here too. )-:

166 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:39:31am

balls of blasphemy

167 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:40:18am

re: #138 BlueCanuck


Sometimes a liberal gets mugged by reality & (occasionally) re-examines their prevously unquestioned belief systems.

Well, at least David Horowitz did.

But most liberals are extremely insular people who subscribe to dogmas & bumper-sticker slogans & have little capacity to to look at an issue in a reasoned & rational way. Liberals emote, they scream, they ululate; so great are their all-consuming passions. Logic gets lost or distorted beyond recognition when they fall back on their well-worn tropes.

168 selpaw  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:40:44am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

A Zionist paw, naturally

Oy va voy...they are my realitives!

Zionist paw...Indeed! Right on target my friend.

169 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:40:56am

re: #10 DeafDog

re: #1 sultan_knish

Are you blaming the teacher? Come on!

I don't know if Sultan is blaming the teacher so much as making a point that there are consequences to our decisions in life. Going to live in a Muslim country is the height of stupidity; some degrees of stupidity are punishable by death. I am only glad that the media seems to be covering Muslim barbarity with unusual frequency these days. Wow. A sign of good things to come? Maybe. Maybe one more do-gooder moonbat will think twice before running to live among the depraved members of the Religion of Peace.

170 marwan's daughter  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:41:13am

Makes me want to go into Islamic countries to teach even more. The children are the future in Islamic countries, and if we can empower them, then they will beat the fundamentalists. Poverty and ignorance may not be the only cause of terrorism, but they are major causes. The fundies prey on the ignorance of ordinary Muslims who don't realize their governments and imams are playing them for fools. My mom wants to go back to India and start up schools and homes for girls. I want to take that even further. Indian society is more open to change, and lots of progress will be made, I know it. I can't say the same for Pakistan and Afghanistan, unless people are willing to go in there, especially the tribal regions. One person has done just that, and it's in his book Three Cups of Tea.

171 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:41:22am

re: #131 Owl

I understand your point, but I am sick and tired of kowtowing. Whether it is the flying imams or the cartoons, I think it's a mistake to surrender to the BS. If we surrender to this BS, then it jus goes on and on and will never change (in fact, it will only get worse).

Also, there is a big difference between opportunists that are taking risky jobs for high pay and someone who is taking a low paying job to help folks. Suppose this woman was a pacifist who only wanted to show these Arabs that we are a good people and she wasn't doing it for the money (this is probably true). That's noble, even if misguided. If she was American, I would hope for a stern response.

172 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:41:49am

Everybody has been saying we need to do something about Darfur which is in the Sudan. I know Bush does not want to get involved because he lacks the men. But maybe this is the beginning of the end for the Sudanese government.

173 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:42:18am

re: #123 Dustoff-507

re: #111 realwest

I went to bed my friend. They say it's going to snow here tomorrow


snowed here last night; and yesterday

174 looking closely  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:42:36am

This woman doesn't deserve to be beaten for what she believes.

If taken at face value, the ones holding her are insane.

One wonders if the British capitulation to Iranian kidnapping earlier in the year has anything to do with this.

175 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:42:42am

I don't know about Britain, but the US travel advisory is to NOT GO to Sudan.

176 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:43:09am
177 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:44:02am

re: #173 Eowyn2


You live where?

178 Onslow  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:44:41am

re: #159 Terp Mole

The editorial board's argument is similar to blaming rape victims for wearing short skirts.

179 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:44:43am
180 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:44:45am

My guess is that this teacher will not be lashed, she will be released.

And then her release will be used to show the world the great compassion of Allah and Islamic justice...Also, very likely, the teacher will forgive her captives (as it is likely she is an Islamophile) and praise them for treating her so well.

/...seen it before.

181 opnion  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:44:46am

Alright, let me just swan dive into the obvious.
This is a culture driven by the delusions of a 7th Century madman.
A woman gets raped, she gets punished. Stonings, beheadings and honor killings are rampant.
Hatred for all non muslims is encourged in the name of some vile religion.
Constant demands are made for concessions and sensitivity while none is returned.
Islam should be mocked and treated as the moral depravity that it is.
Ok I am jumping off of the soap box.

182 gadlaw  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:45:55am

Bring on the whipping post! You know, Sudan needs to be itself and go right on and convict her and lash her and throw her in jail. Go on with your bad self Sudan, don't let the outcry from the west have any effect on you. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and the woman who was gang raped and who will also get six months in jail and the lashes. Be your complete and total Bad Ass Arab selves and punish these people for their 'crimes' We need videotape of the sentences being carried out as well. Then even those stupid idiot 'relative morality' folks can try to defend it. And we can get a good enough backlash and perhaps reach the tipping point to get public opinion where it needs to be. Freaking savage barbarian goat herders with a deviant religion which advocates rape, murder and sanctioned racism against nonmuslims. And I apologize to any barbarians or goat herders who might feel slighted by my characterization.

183 uptight  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:46:30am

The Koran & Haddith portray Mohammed as:

A delusional madman who thought he flew to heaven on a magic horse
A bandit / pirate
A murderer / warlord
A sexual abuser of a young boy
A sexual abuser of a young girl

Compared the the teachings of Islam, being compared to a Teddy Bear is a compliment.

184 selpaw  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:47:06am

re: #151 GreenSoccer

I checked the map and Sudan is on the Red Sea which is off the Arabian Sea. Why don't the Brits do some gunboat diplomacy?
It is below Egypt. They are allies. A team of commandos might go through there. They don't state in what town this takes place.

You mean the same Brits who ordered their commandos prior to a raid on an Islamic house to remove their shoes? The same Brits who are not allowed to conduct a raid during prayer time?

Gunboat diplomacy? Where in the hell has that been of late? Seems to me all we have is gunboat KISS-ASS diplomacy. Anyway, the Brits have no balls. Just kid gloves and kid-ney pies. Neither wins in the war against the not so RoP.

185 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:47:19am

re: #151 GreenSoccer

I checked the map and Sudan is on the Red Sea which is off the Arabian Sea. Why don't the Brits do some gunboat diplomacy?
It is below Egypt. They are allies. A team of commandos might go through there. They don't state in what town this takes place.

I take it you're working on the assumption that the British government still has it's testicles.

186 firebreather  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:47:28am

re: #151 GreenSoccer


This isn't Churchill's England anymore. Richard the Lionhearted died centuries ago.

Britain's gunboats are "manned" by pink-haired, tattooed sailors with nipple rings.

We saw what happened with the abducted sailors in Iran, the willing dhimmies who praised their Islamic captors to the skies & ripped GB's foreign policy.

187 Globular Cluster  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:47:46am

Any farmers here with hogs? You should name a few of them Mohammed.

188 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:48:03am

Let's face it all. Until the day we start drilling for our own oil, we will be stuck with these insane fools.

189 Alouette  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:48:19am

re: #73 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #65 frankp_63


Fear not, N.O.W. leaps into action!

A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women said the situation "is definintely on the radar, and N.O.W. is not ignoring it.

But she added that the U.S.-based organization is "not putting out a statement or taking a position."

Whew, that was a close call.


They're waiting to find out what Ms. Gibbons' position on abortion is.

That, or they don't know yet if she is a lesbian.

190 looking closely  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:48:30am

Come to think about it, they probably want to beat her for teaching their kids how to read and think for themselves.

191 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:48:38am

I now know what I am going to name my next dump. Oh, wait a minute... thats the same name I gave my last 12 dumps!

192 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:48:43am

re: #170 marwan's daughter

Makes me want to go into Islamic countries to teach even more. The children are the future in Islamic countries, and if we can empower them, then they will beat the fundamentalists. Poverty and ignorance may not be the only cause of terrorism, but they are major causes. The fundies prey on the ignorance of ordinary Muslims who don't realize their governments and imams are playing them for fools. My mom wants to go back to India and start up schools and homes for girls. I want to take that even further. Indian society is more open to change, and lots of progress will be made, I know it. I can't say the same for Pakistan and Afghanistan, unless people are willing to go in there, especially the tribal regions. One person has done just that, and it's in his book Three Cups of Tea.


It's hard for me to believe that any muslim state is going to let you waltz in there and " empower" the children to change anything.
and #2. there's poverty and ignorance in parts of Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama...so when do the terrorists show up there? Sorry, but the "cause" of terrorism is the fundamentalist following of the teachings of islam. read the koran.

193 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:49:26am
'But police sources said she might be charged with sedition on the basis that she may have incited rebellion, which could mean a jail term of more than ten years.'

. Under torture, Mohammed the Bear finally broke and pointed the claw at Ms. Gibbons.

'At about 20 I lost count because I was in too much pain, but someone else was counting each stroke out loud in Arabic.

I had to grit my teeth even more and screwed up my eyes.

I was determined not to make a sound and to lie perfectly still.

Only one of us would leave this room with their dignity intact - me.
// Gavin Sherrard-Smith in the Daily Mail.

. Bloody Primitives.

194 Maine's Michael  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:49:57am
Lawyers say the teacher, who is from Liverpool, could face 40 lashes, a fine, or six months in jail if convicted.

File under: No good deed goes unpunished.

195 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:08am
196 sultan_knish  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:21am

These people need to be offended more to learn some tolerance

A teddy bear just doesn't do it, therefore I generously give unto the People of Sudan, Mohammed the Stuffed Pig (Plush Be Upon Him), soon to be available at all finer Sudanese toy stores

[Link: aycu07.webshots.com...]

197 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:23am

re: #180 Ringo the Gringo

Yep. This woman is just a pawn.

198 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:25am

#180

captives = captors

199 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:29am

re: #171 DeafDog

re: #131 Owl

I understand your point, but I am sick and tired of kowtowing. Whether it is the flying imams or the cartoons, I think it's a mistake to surrender to the BS. If we surrender to this BS, then it jus goes on and on and will never change (in fact, it will only get worse).

Also, there is a big difference between opportunists that are taking risky jobs for high pay and someone who is taking a low paying job to help folks. Suppose this woman was a pacifist who only wanted to show these Arabs that we are a good people and she wasn't doing it for the money (this is probably true). That's noble, even if misguided. If she was American, I would hope for a stern response.


Oh, I'm with you there. And supposing she was a pacifist and only wanted to help them. that's fine. She's an ignorant pacifist. Her ignorance of muslim treatment of infidels doesn't excuse what they are going to do.

200 rorschach  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:34am

Now it's time to start lashing players in the NBA and NFL for taking this most "sacred" of names...esp. when they cover themselves in tatoos.

Shirley, there's something in the koran about that.

201 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:50:58am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks for telling me it is in Khartoum.

what rhymes with law is
hawhaw jaw paw raw saw

you might want to change the last line of your poem such as
you may not like the tender mercies of sharia law that might feel like a lion's paw, and leave you raw, sort of like 40 socks to the jaw, which is no hawhaw, she saw.

202 uptight  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:51:40am

re: #181 opnion

Alright, let me just swan dive into the obvious.
This is a culture driven by the delusions of a 7th Century madman.
A woman gets raped, she gets punished. Stonings, beheadings and honor killings are rampant.
Hatred for all non muslims is encourged in the name of some vile religion.
Constant demands are made for concessions and sensitivity while none is returned.
Islam should be mocked and treated as the moral depravity that it is.
Ok I am jumping off of the soap box.

There's a wider lesson here. People from all civilised countries should learn from this woman's example. Here's what they should take away from her experience:

DON'T WORK IN ISLAMIST COUNTRIES!

Not even in an charity aid capacity.

Regard even visiting an Islamist country with the same reluctance you'd have for going into a snake pit.

203 kyle_st  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:52:45am

I say that for each lash she gets, Sudan gets one incoming JDAM

204 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:52:59am

re: #102 Crusader Rabbit

It is useless to blame a victim here

With the idealism and compassion of a teacher she gives of herself to educate others

in innocence and high spirits she allows something that harms no one except the power-gloming mullahs

they want to open the skin on her back until her blood runs out

it is not her fault

205 infidel4ever  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:53:08am

Let's see how much the infidels will pay to get the woman back. Let's up the charges!

Somebody must need some money.

206 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:53:24am

re: #174 looking closely

This woman doesn't deserve to be beaten for what she believes.

If taken at face value, the ones holding her are insane.

One wonders if the British capitulation to Iranian kidnapping earlier in the year has anything to do with this.


and people don't deserve to be beheaded for what they believe either, but we're talking about islam facisim here, not liberty or her rights as a human being. islamofacists have no concept of rights or free thought.

207 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:53:49am

re: #183 uptight

The whole claim to Israel is based on a dream of Mohammed's horse's foot having touched down there, and who knows what else. Maybe the flying holy horse took a holy dump at the same time. Anyhow, that was their excuse for why they had to build a mosque on the Jews' most holy site. And yes, this is the year 2007.

208 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:54:13am

re: #203 kyle_st

I agree with you.

209 kafir  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:54:18am

Islam means "peace". It is "tolerant".

Those words ... I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

The kid stood up and said he named it after himself. And this 50ish woman is going to get a whipping from a 7th century death-loving cult.

For "insulting" their "religion" by accepting that a little kid wanted to name a teddy bear after himself.

The mind is way past boggling. This is deep into the abjectly stupid and ridiculous. Yet this is what we are being asked to respect.

Yeah. Sure. Ok.

How soon will it be that their mask comes off, they drop the limited pretense that strains them so, and declares that the mere existence of jooos insults their religion?

Read the comments that the Mail and other places. People are getting sick of their crap. Not the PC-loving multicultural kooks, asshats, and assorted left wing nutjobs, but ordinary people who are sick and tired of being bullied.

210 Maine's Michael  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:54:39am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent! Do you have a program that generates these?

211 Aylios  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:55:08am

Yet another wake-up call to the west. How many more will we need before we get it?

These are not poor disenfranchised people that need our help, these are the enemy. Ditto for the french riots.

212 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:56:23am

Via HA, an American Muslim group speaks out against the fabricated outrage and criminal sanction pending against the teacher in Sudan:

Earlier today, the Sudanese government charged Gillian Gibbons, a teacher at Unity High School in Khartoum, with insulting religion and inciting hatred for naming a class teddy bear "Muhammad." She faces up to 40 lashes and six months in prison.

“The sad legacy of the Danish cartoon riots is that we have to speak out immediately when extremists try to provoke clashes over trivial matters,” Weddady explained. “This is not about cultural sensitivities. There is no excuse for someone to be sent to jail and whipped over a teddy bear’s name. Ms. Gibbons needs to be freed at once.”

Jana El-Horr, a Peacebuilding Fellow with the American Islamic Congress, noted that the Sudanese regime is trying to distract attention from the ongoing genocide in Darfur. “Muslims around the world are horrified over the brutal killings in Darfur,” El-Horr explained. “Now the Sudanese regime is trying to rally support by putting on the ‘defender of Islam’ hat. But we won’t be fooled.”

There's a reason that public perceptions of Muslims is on the decline. It's because the Islamists justify their slaughter of civilians on a wide scale by claiming it is inherent in their religious views and anyone who disagrees, especially if you're a Muslim, is worthy of death.

213 doubledip  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:56:34am

One could argue that the kids who named their t-bear Mohammad would've known better had their parents bothered to teach them what a crime it was.

Arrest and charge the parents!

214 coquimbojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:56:44am

re: #62 Owl

re: #49 ploome hineni

good news Achmed

Romney Denies Vowing No Muslims In Cabinet

Call me whatever you want. This moves him further down the list for me. Just in front of RON PAUL !11!1!

Read the article, it makes sense. The pull quote is made up.

215 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:56:55am

So I guess the groveling and boot licking the British did to get their sailors back from Iran really taught these hell hole countries a valuable lesson.

216 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:59:06am
217 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:59:27am

re: #213 doubledip

The children are in danger and doubly so if their teacher escapes

218 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:59:33am

re: #213 doubledip


I'm down with that. Sounds totally plausible in context.

219 sakublock  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:01:01am

re: #24 Photon Cowboy

That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog.

Your Poor Dog.

220 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:01:26am

re: #218 Owl

re: #213 doubledip


I'm down with that. Sounds totally plausible in context.

Oh crap. not down with it happening. I meant to say I could see those whacko's doing just that...charging the children or the parents of the same thing. once they are on a roll, they really get going...

the whole thing is a absurd.

221 RickZ  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:01:41am

re: #159 Terp Mole

Illinois wacademia has empathy for sharia;

An offensive teddy bear

My response there, not like they'll ever post it.

"This type of insult to the Prophet Muhammad is considered a crime in Sudan, and Gibbons, who is currently in jail, faces possible lashing as a punishment."

Whose prophet you talking 'bout, Jack? Sure as hell is not mine! Besides, isn't Ol' Moe some old dead Arab guy? Even if he would be pissed about what happened, he's friggin' dead. His opinion on the use and caricature of his name means squat. And to even think that this aspect of shari'a law has any place in the modern world is beyond insanity. But I guess that's why you're in Wacademia.

Queens, NY

222 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:01:43am
223 mad_scientist  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:02:07am

Yet another ridiculous example of a entire populous of people are completely detached from reality. They are just waiting for an opportunity to seethe.

The class decides to name the bear Mohammed, yet it is the teacher who is to be flogged?Parents name their children after Mohammed all the damn time, they must be flogged too? It must be the fact that is was a teddy bear that is at issue (and the fact that she is from an infidel nation).

Poor Widdle Muslims cant stand their name of their big bad prophet being the name of a cute, cuddly teddy bear...GROW UP YOU F'ING DEGENERATE POS's! What YOU should be whipped for is BEATING YOUR WIVES, which you all think is peachy over there in islamoland. You should get whipped for indoctrinating your kids to think that there is no hope, so they grow up to be walking bombs and make you beaming parents so proud...SCREW YOU ISLAM, SCREW YOU MOHAMMED! Now just try, just try and come and give me lashes you sick, twised freaks...you will get more than you can handle.

Sorry for the outburst, but these people are insane, their whole religion is inasane, and I am just sick of them and their self righteous indignation at the rest of us for not bowing to their religion of sicko's

224 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:02:37am

re: #204 Ojoe

re: #102 Crusader Rabbit

It is useless to blame a victim here

With the idealism and compassion of a teacher she gives of herself to educate others

in innocence and high spirits she allows something that harms no one except the power-gloming mullahs

they want to open the skin on her back until her blood runs out

it is not her fault

We make choices and get consequences. Many of them are unfair. Corporal punishment under islamic "law" is avoidable. I can't blame her since I don't know whether she is ignorant of that. There is, however, no escaping the fact that when you go abroad you choose to live under their laws, however inequitable and barbaric they may be.

If she made this decision out of innocent ignorance, then she is indeed innocent. In that case the blame for the foolish decisions she made rest on whoever misled her about the nature of the caliphate and their "laws".

Clear enough?

225 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:03:07am

re: #204 Ojoe

Oh for pete's sake Ojoe, think a minute. If a woman walks drunk through the middle of Central Park at 3a.m. on a Saturday not, it is not her fault if she gets raped, right? But we'd assume that she's pretty damned stupid.

THAT is the point here. Anyone who goes to work in Muslim countries is an idiot, a fool, a moron, an imbecile. They may be many other things as well, but their diminished mental capacity is what defines them most sharply. No doubt, many moonbats go into these Muslim lands thinking that their multiculti politics will protect them, that they will find favor with the Muslims. We've seen many times that it doesn't protect them -- so why can't they see that? How many examples of slaughtered westerners do these moonbats need to see before they catch a clue?

I, for one, am tired. I'm too tired to have sympathy for idiots, morons, imbeciles and fools. There are too many good people who fall victim to predators despite using good judgment and trying very hard to stay out of harm's way. I'm conserving my energy for those folks.

226 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:04:13am

re: #183 uptight

The Koran & Haddith portray Mohammed as:

A correction: AFAIK the Koran itself doesn't refer to Mohammed at all.

227 Owl  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:04:34am

re: #222 ploome hineni

muslims are very sensitive to APPEARANCE

and criticism

they riot, burn and kill at PERCIEVED disrespect

thats what our governemnts have to do to them

let them implode and burn themselves

we cannot pretend their societies, and islamic sharia have ANY value


Well, with the liberals in this country that's going to be some feat. I agree with you, but half the country is too busy trying to save the planet from BBQ grills to bother with the approaching islamofacist threat...

228 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:05:11am
229 funkyfantom  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:06:01am

re: #1 sultan_knish

When will Westerners learn to stop taking jobs in countries under Muslim law, no matter how tempting the pay may be.

The come on probably promises them exotic locations and a chance to explore another culture. Well this it

Given the facts of high Muslim birth rate and high desire of Muslims to flee their own fouled up lands so as to import their own fouled-up culture to relatively as-yet-un-fouled-up lands- you will someday soon not have to take a job in a Muslim country to experience this.

230 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:07:06am

re: #225 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Anyone who goes to work in Muslim countries is an idiot, a fool, a moron, an imbecile.

Do you apply that characterization to contractors working in Iraq now?

For that matter, do you apply it to the troops?

Folks, there are in fact people who voluntarily accept a certain amount of danger in order to do overseas relief work, believe it or not.

231 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:08:07am

re: #224 Crusader Rabbit

Her decisions should not have been foolish in any world we ought to permit

(to teach, to allow kids to name a teddy bear mohammad)

232 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:08:35am

re: #224 Crusader Rabbit

If she made this decision out of innocent ignorance

Pardon me... are the only possible options here really a) innocent ignorance or b) an implicit endorsement of sharia? Come on.

233 sultan_knish  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:09:41am

re: #225 American Jewess In Jerusalem

THAT is the point here. Anyone who goes to work in Muslim countries is an idiot, a fool, a moron, an imbecile. They may be many other things as well, but their diminished mental capacity is what defines them most sharply. No doubt, many moonbats go into these Muslim lands thinking that their multiculti politics will protect them, that they will find favor with the Muslims. We've seen many times that it doesn't protect them -- so why can't they see that? How many examples of slaughtered westerners do these moonbats need to see before they catch a clue?

The problem is what if there was an entire industry from the government to the universities on down that insisted on telling women there was no such thing as rape and crime?

That's the situation a lot of Westerners find themselves in when it comes to Islam. There are people who take jobs in Muslim countries who are happy to go native or who are moonbats, but plenty are just ordinary people who believe the press and like how everyone smiles at them and is friendly... until the knives come out

234 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:09:46am

re: #232 Occasional Reader

re: #224 Crusader Rabbit


If she made this decision out of innocent ignorance

Pardon me... are the only possible options here really a) innocent ignorance or b) an implicit endorsement of sharia? Come on.

If you understand the caliphate, go to live under it and suffer for it, do younot bear some responsibility?

235 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:10:16am

re: #215 bulwrk

So I guess the groveling and boot licking the British did to get their sailors back from Iran really taught these hell hole countries a valuable lesson.

I suspect that has EVERYTHING to do with the current situation. As I said in a previous post, the Sudanese want to get in on the fun, too. This is their way of dancing on Kitchener's grave.

236 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:10:33am

re: #212 lawhawk

Via HA, an American Muslim group speaks out against the fabricated outrage and criminal sanction pending against the teacher in Sudan:

Earlier today, the Sudanese government charged Gillian Gibbons, a teacher at Unity High School in Khartoum, with insulting religion and inciting hatred for naming a class teddy bear "Muhammad." She faces up to 40 lashes and six months in prison.“The sad legacy of the Danish cartoon riots is that we have to speak out immediately when extremists try to provoke clashes over trivial matters,” Weddady explained. “This is not about cultural sensitivities. There is no excuse for someone to be sent to jail and whipped over a teddy bear’s name. Ms. Gibbons needs to be freed at once.”

Jana El-Horr, a Peacebuilding Fellow with the American Islamic Congress, noted that the Sudanese regime is trying to distract attention from the ongoing genocide in Darfur. “Muslims around the world are horrified over the brutal killings in Darfur,” El-Horr explained. “Now the Sudanese regime is trying to rally support by putting on the ‘defender of Islam’ hat. But we won’t be fooled.”

There's a reason that public perceptions of Muslims is on the decline. It's because the Islamists justify their slaughter of civilians on a wide scale by claiming it is inherent in their religious views and anyone who disagrees, especially if you're a Muslim, is worthy of death.

The problem is, that if you read the Qur'an they are correct. Mohammad did in fact command them to subjugate the entire world to Islam, he did in fact order them to offer all infidels three choices, convert to Islam, submit to Islam or die...

The reason that public perceptions of Muslims is on the decline is that slowly but surely the average person is learning that the Islamists are in fact practicing Islam exactly the way Mohammad intended Islam to be practiced. More importantly they are learning that the average moderate Muslim doesn't fundamentally oppose the practices of the Islamists and even grants a certain unspoken (Taqiyya) tactic approval to their actions.

I will grant you that there are a fairly large number of American Muslims who are an exception to this reality, but that has more to do with their being Americans than it does with their being Muslims.

237 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:11:28am

re: #183 uptight

You forgot Sadist.

238 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:11:32am

re: #234 Crusader Rabbit

and suffer for it

She went to Sudan to "suffer for the caliphate"?! Um, 'scuse me, it would appear she went to Sudan to teach small children.

239 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:11:39am

re: #234 Crusader Rabbit

There are many many motivations and not everybody understands all of them.

I would like to ask Ms Gibbons why she went to teach there.

240 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:12:41am

The problem is the mullahs, the problem is the mullahs, the problem is the mullahs.

241 Sloatsburgh  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:12:45am

I don't think people are blaming her,

just warning everyone else.

242 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:12:47am

This is a political more than a religious move - just bullying. Probably just want to shut the school down and this is the means to scare everyone out.
Sacred? Most Muslims could care less about a kid's teddy bear, if no offense is meant, none is taken, so this is manufactured outrage by agitators who want to achieve a particular objective. 2/3 of males in any given Muslim country are named Mohammed, the rest 1/3 of them are Ahmed or Moustafa or some such. Some villages are loaded with men named Mohammed ould Mohammed (ould=son of). Try and figure out WHICH one they are talking about. (think they have nicknames.)
Maybe they will demand payments - not all that far from the Barbary Coast - and Libya just pulled off just a similar squeeze-play.
Think any Sudanese Muslims in Darfur are outraged about this? They are too busy ducking and dodging the very same regime's bullets to notice.
It's not a surprise that these attempts to bully are made, it's the reaction from the country being indirectly targeted that's important. Remember, the Barbary Coast protection racket went on over three hundred years - the Europeans just rolled over and paid, and paid, but it was the Americans who shut it down.

243 Sardonicus  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:12:49am

She should have just gone to Kenya.

244 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:13:34am

re: #241 Sloatsburgh

I don't think people are blaming her

I'd say calling her an "idiot, imbecile, moron" qualifies as "blaming her".

245 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:13:50am

re: #225 American Jewess In Jerusalem

re: #204 Ojoe

Oh for pete's sake Ojoe, think a minute. If a woman walks drunk through the middle of Central Park at 3a.m. on a Saturday not, it is not her fault if she gets raped, right? But we'd assume that she's pretty damned stupid.

THAT is the point here. Anyone who goes to work in Muslim countries is an idiot, a fool, a moron, an imbecile. They may be many other things as well, but their diminished mental capacity is what defines them most sharply. No doubt, many moonbats go into these Muslim lands thinking that their multiculti politics will protect them, that they will find favor with the Muslims. We've seen many times that it doesn't protect them -- so why can't they see that? How many examples of slaughtered westerners do these moonbats need to see before they catch a clue?

I, for one, am tired. I'm too tired to have sympathy for idiots, morons, imbeciles and fools. There are too many good people who fall victim to predators despite using good judgment and trying very hard to stay out of harm's way. I'm conserving my energy for those folks.

No it's not her fault, she may have done something foolish, stupid even, but under no circumstances is it even remotely her fault.

246 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:14:09am

re: #230 Occasional Reader

Contractors in Iraq have the protection of our military, and our military can defend itself. Bad things happen sometimes and yes, we do sometimes take risks, but at least in Iraq, westerners have a prayer of protecting themselves. This woman has NOTHING and NO ONE to protect her. She is completely at the mercy of the mad mullahs.

I have never agreed with taking insane risks, and being a western woman in a Muslim country is an insane, insane, insane risk. I'm sure that there are many British underprivileged children who could benefit from her teaching skills as well as from her "do-gooder" impulses.

Charity begins at home. For everyone else, send money.

247 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:14:17am

re: #238 Occasional Reader

re: #234 Crusader Rabbit


and suffer for it

She went to Sudan to "suffer for the caliphate"?! Um, 'scuse me, it would appear she went to Sudan to teach small children.

Alright, you're drawing your own inferences now. I'm not going to indulge that.

248 Timbre  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:14:25am

re: #108 shiplord kirel

I am satisfied with Clearwire wireless broadband down here in Midland.

249 Dead Sea Squirrel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:14:50am

re: #201 GreenSoccer

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks for telling me it is in Khartoum.

what rhymes with law is
hawhaw jaw paw raw saw

you might want to change the last line of your poem such as
you may not like the tender mercies of sharia law that might feel like a lion's paw, and leave you raw, sort of like 40 socks to the jaw, which is no hawhaw, she saw.

Oh, pshaw.

250 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:15:05am

re: #245 doriangrey

she may have done something foolish, stupid even

Or she may have knowingly undertaken a risk in order to help these children. Nobody here appears to be even entertaining this possibility.

251 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:16:02am

re: #250 Occasional Reader

That's what I think her motiviation would be.

252 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:16:18am

re: #247 Crusader Rabbit

you're drawing your own inferences now

Yeah, it's a pretty wild supposition... that a British teacher in Sudan, teaching small children, went to Sudan, in order to teach small children. It's a crazy idea, but it might just be true.

253 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:17:04am

re: #244 Occasional Reader


For the last time: I AM NOT BLAMING HER. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS HER FAULT. I am only saying that there are consequences to our actions. Natural consequences are a reality, whether that offends your sense of justice or not.

254 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:18:56am

re: #252 Occasional Reader

Have you seen a really good teacher of children in action? Then you might think she was teaching out of compassion. There are plenty of teachers like that. I was fortunate to have had some of them many years ago. Of my 1st grade teacher, it was said that she could even teach a cabbage how to read.

255 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:19:22am

re: #169 American Jewess In Jerusalem

The most bizarre aspect is that SHE did not even name the bear. Her students did.

256 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:19:45am

It's sickening how this is almost reported as a funny story about exotic customs in a foreign country we're supposed to respect.

This is the sickness of islam on display. It is no anomaly and they're busy importing this savagery into the west.

257 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:19:58am

re: #254 Ojoe


Have you seen a really good teacher of children in action?

Yep, and I even had the good fortune to be taught by some.

258 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:20:06am

re: #255 Eowyn2

She's taking the lashes to protect them

259 RickZ  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:21:12am

American Jewess In Jerusalem,

Preach on, sistah!

re: #255 Eowyn2

re: #169 American Jewess In Jerusalem

The most bizarre aspect is that SHE did not even name the bear. Her students did.

Islamologic.

260 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:21:40am

re: #256 Peter Verkooijen

It's sickening how this is almost reported as a funny story

I have to say, I haven't seen that. This has not been buried as a Reuters "Oddly Enough" capsule story, the way other Islamist atrocities have been.

261 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:21:58am

re: #255 Eowyn2

Yes, I know. The predators were just lying in wait for a westerner to victimize, and, well, there she was.

262 Mostly Annoyed  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:22:56am

I would contend that the tracher in question named the bear Mohammed as the students requested because it is probably the most popular name. She did not name it "Prophet Mohammed" which might be an insult to the religern.

Made up smoke and mirrors yet again. That's all it is. But if they can distract the world form the hundreds of thousands they are raping and murdering in Darfur by whipping one school teacher, they are doing pretty good. I wonder which ex-presidential publicist they hired.

263 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:23:03am

Toy companies should refuse to sell dolls to these countries. Let the kids hug rocks.

Leftists should sign up to carry out the rescue of moonbats. It is too bad that real men have to put their lives in jeopardy to save these moonbats.

I have a feeling that some of the posters are right. The woman will be released. We'll never know the amount of money that changed hands.
The story will be buried and forgotten as quickly as possible by the media.

264 Teacake!  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:23:09am

I assume she is liberal and being British on top of that will probably not feel the normal reaction of human anger but will no doubt, feel as if she must apologize for her "carelessness"

265 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:24:08am

re: #255 Eowyn2

re: #169 American Jewess In Jerusalem

The most bizarre aspect is that SHE did not even name the bear. Her students did.

I would caution against getting AT ALL hung up on "who named the bear". Utterly irrelevant. The monsters were waiting for ANY excuse.

266 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:25:19am

re: #250 Occasional Reader

re: #245 doriangrey

she may have done something foolish, stupid even

Or she may have knowingly undertaken a risk in order to help these children. Nobody here appears to be even entertaining this possibility.

On the contrary I am considering exactly that. What is happening to this poor woman is a travesty, sadly it is also just another skirmish in the world wide conflict between Islam and the entire rest of the world. This is simply one more example of Islam showing the rest of the world that the entire rest of the world WILL submit to Islam.

267 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:26:08am

re: #256 Peter Verkooijen
This is the" teachable moment".

268 arcatan  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:26:28am

I wonder what the penalty would be for naming you pet pig "Mohammed"?

269 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:26:37am

"Islamic fundamentalists in Sudan are calling for demonstrations after Friday Prayers when most followers of the faith in Sudan attend mosque and are congregated together." We will have a new picture of Rage Boy for you at the end of the week after the Friday Prayers.

270 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:28:56am
271 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:30:07am
272 Is it me?  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:30:49am

I can only hope that there are strenuous diplomatic efforts being taken to sort this out. Dragging the Sudanese Ambassador to the Foreign Office could mean anything. Either a meeting with the Civil Service head or the Foreign Minister (whichever one is doing the job at the moment. Nu Labour ministers are a bit of a revolving door. They come, they go; all useless) depending on the seriousness of the situation. The other thing we have to take into account is how many other Brits are working in Sudan at the moment as the Sudanese could use reprisals on them (or on other westerners) and dress it up in their so called legal code. It's probably a complex situation and I don't think we know enough about what is going on there or the background of this woman at the moment.

The Sudan has been extremely unstable for some time and I would have thought it would be inadvisable for anyone to go and work there unless it was for a large aid agency with the appropriate military/UN bodyguards.

The Sudanese seem like a miserable bunch. Not liking Teddy Bears? Something really wrong about that. Rise up Teddy Bears of the World, you have nothing to lose but your stuffing!

273 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:31:02am

re: #263 GreenSoccer

"Leftists should sign up to carry out the rescue of moonbats. It is too bad that real men have to put their lives in jeopardy to save these moonbats."

I think that's a brilliant idea. Part of what annoys me so much about westerners getting themselves into trouble is that inevitably, the best members of our society are called to place themselves at risk to rescue the moonbats. Or, the taxpayers' money goes to pay the ransom.

Here in Israel, idiot Jewish girls run off with Arab boys and marry them and live in the territories. Naturally, it isn't long before they are beaten, threatened, raped, and abused. They get pregnant right away so they become vulnerable in yet another aspect. We have a special squad of religious men who will risk their lives to go into the territories and rescue these girls and bring them back to safety in Israel. If the women have children, the squad rescues the children as well. These excursions are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, as you can imagine. It makes me very angry that for the stupidity of some girl, someone else's beloved husband or father may lose his life. I would only rescue these girls or any other moonbat if they agreed to spend the next 20 years working for organizations who educate the public about the evils of Islam.

In short: no more free rides. Moonbattery has a price, and I'd like to see the moonbats start to pay it.

274 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:32:50am

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

You are right, I did not pronounce sharia that way in my mind, like Maria. I gave it a soft a. If you pronounce sharia as if it were spelled shariaw, like a Bostonian it is much better.

I am so upset by this story. Where are the hundreds of thousands of women walking in western streets? We are so impotent, so weak, so dhimmie like.

275 doubledip  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:32:56am

re: #212 lawhawk (from the link)

which only entrenches the perception of Muslims as hyper-sensitive.

Thus the confused Islamic P.R. machine continues tripping over its own feet to right these perceptions (or realities?) of itself in the eyes of non-Muslims.

And with such public embarassment after public embarassment, so many Muslims still have the audacity to accuse non-Muslims of "misunderstanding" them and their religion?

276 arcatan  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:36:40am

I think I'll write a children's story called "Mohammed the Angry Pig". It will be about a regular farm pig who's continually antagonizing any other animals it encounters. The donkey is the only animal that likes him, apparently the donkey is vicariously enjoying the expressed hostility of the pig. So the donkey covers for the pig and the pig gets even more excessive in his acts of hostility, just to see the donkey jump for joy. The donkey goes to any ridiculous length to justify the pig's actions but the pig is less subtle, just blaming everyone for not being just like him.

"Mohammed the Angry Pig" ... a tale of the expense of craven submission to a bully who feels pride at the intimidation of others.

277 jezra  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:40:25am

apparently, Mrs. Gibbons taught her students about democracy, and they taught her about Islam.
Isn't that a beautiful example of cultural exchange?

278 JRHelgeson  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:43:38am

We use the name "Jesus" without offense, but nobody uses "Jesus Christ" because that would be offensive. In Hispanic cultures, it is common to see the name Jesus, it is also common to see the name Mary... they don't name their kids "Jesus Christ" or "Virgin Mary".

Mohamed is the most popular name in Islamic countries. Period. Naming the teddy bear Mohamed is only natural. This is why when they refer to THE Mohamed they precede with PROPHET and ALWAYS follow with "Peace be upon him" or abbreviated as "PBUH" so it is The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). This is so they can differentiate between the holy prophet and their next door neighbor.

They didn't name the Teddy Bear "Mohammed PBUH"

If using the name Mohamed was an insult to the prophet, then they should start executing every man, woman and child that bears the name for insulting the prophet.

279 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:44:13am

re: #276 arcatan

Actually, I think that could be a very good story! Go with it!

280 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:44:24am

re: #273 American Jewess In Jerusalem

We have a woman like that here in the US. A Jewish women's lib who married an Afghani and went to live there. She was very surprised to find out that "sisterhood" was lacking and that women could be cruel to each other. She was a popular feminist but when she spoke the truth about Islam she was DROPPED from the lecture circuit, finds it hard to have her books published, not invited to conferences. Phylis Chesller
Her books :
Death of Feminism
Womens' Inhumanity to Women
The New Antisemitism
She needs speaking engagements. She doesn't tell anything new to conservatives but it might be news to moonbats and college kids, and high school kids.

281 Judith  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:44:45am

I heard of three loud and vociferous protests from Muslims today. One is from a group in Britain reported about on FOX who strongly condemn the actions of the Sudanese government with equally strong statements about how this is not according to Islam and they are giving all of Islam a black eye by this behaviour. The second was from a Muslim individual Canada who wrote a letter published in the National Post decrying this as contrary to Islam and also giving all of Islam a bad name. Finally, the family of the boy Mohammed for whom the bear was named have also come out publicly strongly supporting the teacher and strongly condemning the government for doing this.

Islamists in power and some brave Muslims doing their best to stop an injustice. I can't help thinking that this is not about blasphemy. This is about punishing an infidel teacher who has the nerve to try to educate Muslim children and bring them out of the dark ages.

282 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:46:57am

re: #281 Judith

What was the name of the Canadian? Probably a well known Muslim woman heroine well known in Canada. And yes she has a fatwah against her.

283 humanliberty  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:49:28am

How would the British Empire have responded?

284 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:49:55am

re: #281 Judith

Do these brave Muslims speak out against the murder of Jewish citizens at the hands of Palestinian homicide bombers? Do they point out that such murderous activity is contrary to Islam?

I didn't think so.

I'm unimpressed.

285 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:51:21am

re: #280 GreenSoccer


I know about Chessler and I love her; unfortunately, she has been blackballed by NOW and other feminist groups, and she is not well received on college campuses either, which is where she is most needed.

286 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:51:54am

re: #233 sultan_knish

THAT is the point here. Anyone who goes to work in Muslim countries is an idiot, a fool, a moron, an imbecile. They may be many other things as well, but their diminished mental capacity is what defines them most sharply. No doubt, many moonbats go into these Muslim lands thinking that their multiculti politics will protect them, that they will find favor with the Muslims. We've seen many times that it doesn't protect them -- so why can't they see that? How many examples of slaughtered westerners do these moonbats need to see before they catch a clue?


Sorry. That's not the reality. There are plenty of nonmoonbat people who've worked in Muslim countries and haven't had a problem. Yes, countries like Sudan can be a problem - the north is very testy which varies in degree, depending on internal squabbles and internal power grabs - but years will go by and even with all the hyperventilating news of "this or that" foreigners go about their business unmolested. Life on the streets is far more mundane than the media presents.

Remember, ostreperous Sudan DID offer Bin Laden to the USA when he was living there. That should be plain proof that the so-called Islamic monolith is not one, and that even when at general odds with another government, there are often points of agreement, IF one is willing to do the work necessary to identify them. It wasn't Sudan's fault that Bill Clinton didn't know what to do with the Osama hot potato at the time.
Maybe there are no moderate Muslims in England or Deerborn MI, but there are plenty in other countries - Mark Steyn was right on the money when he noticed that radicalized Muslims are more likely to be popping up in Norway than in Afghanistan - the Afghans, the Somalis KNOW what life is like under Sharia - and they want OUT. It's only been an intellectual exercise to the Europeans - though reality is beginning to creep in to their consciousnesses.

Khartoum isn't exactly impressing the rest of Sudan with it's ability to govern fairly, to put it mildly. There are four theaters they've screwed up - Southern Sudan , Darfur, Equatorial (Eastern Sudan) and the Nubia region.

287 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:52:32am

re: #278 JRHelgeson

Why are you even trying to rationalize this?!

Do you mean flogging this woman would have been justified if she had called the teddy bear "Mohammed PBUH" (Piss Be Upon Him)?

288 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:54:44am

As someone said unfortunately it is Darwin Akbar.

289 itlog95  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:54:45am

I've just renamed my pet rock Muhammed. I didn't want to insult the hamster's intelligence by renaming him.

290 DocRambo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:58:10am

If I was to drive by the Sudanese Embassy and throw a pork chop over the fence, would I be guilty of a "hate crime"? Perhaps we should have a barbecue on the sidewalk in front with babyback ribs and pulled pork sandwiches as the fare. If they can get this riled up over a poor bear, just think what would happen if cooked pork showed up on their doorstep. Maybe we could just pelt them with sausage balls? I have lost all respect for muslims.

291 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:58:40am

re: #276 arcatan

I think I'll write a children's story called "Mohammed the Angry Pig". It will be about a regular farm pig who's continually antagonizing any other animals it encounters. The donkey is the only animal that likes him, apparently the donkey is vicariously enjoying the expressed hostility of the pig. So the donkey covers for the pig and the pig gets even more excessive in his acts of hostility, just to see the donkey jump for joy. The donkey goes to any ridiculous length to justify the pig's actions but the pig is less subtle, just blaming everyone for not being just like him.

"Mohammed the Angry Pig" ... a tale of the expense of craven submission to a bully who feels pride at the intimidation of others.

re: #279 American Jewess In Jerusalem

re: #276 arcatan

Actually, I think that could be a very good story! Go with it!

Heh heh heh I believe that story has already been written, its called "Animal Farm"...

292 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:59:21am

re: #283 humanliberty

How would the British Empire have responded?


Well, don't refer to the movie "Khartoum" for upbeat ideas. It would be the subsequent British military action to correct what happened to Gordon & Co.

293 nikis-knight  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:59:22am

re: #119 firebreather

re: #92 Crusader Rabbit


re: #80 firebreather

re: #66 Teacake!
She is probably another Rachel Corrie. Which in no way excuses the torture she is enduring at the hands of her Sudanese Muslim overlords.

...but let's be clear. She chose to have them as her overlords.

Politically incorrect though it may be, you are right. Like Rachel Corrie, this teacher is probably a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who would sooner castigate a Tory conservative as an intolerant bigot than utter a peep of condemnation against the murderous & inhumane practices of Muslims, especially Muslims in an exotic foreign culture. (All good Western liberals know that exotic foreign cultures are morally superior to our own).


Afaik, this woman was a school teacher. She might have been a moonbat, or she might have been a Christian misionary trying to show some counter example to the hate that is heaped upon westerners by the local imams.

Converting Muslims is a dangerous move for both parties, but it is a long term solution to the spread of this evil "religion." I don't look down on people who give their lives for that cause, which would certainly involve going to live under the Muslim gov'ts. Yes, it would be knowingly going to your death; we call those people martyrs, a word that is often misapplied to Islamic murders, of course, but has a legitimate use.

I don't know if this woman is, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

294 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:00:02am

re: #290 DocRambo

Yes that would be hate crimes. Why can't you just use freedom of speech and walk around with a poster?

295 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:00:17am

re: #286 wanumba

Wanumba, I'm not even referring to average Muslims who live next door; I'm talking about the governments primarily. Muslim governments are predictably evil. No foreigner should ever put himself at the mercy of a Muslim government. Furthermore, while not all Muslim citizens are crazy or evil, there are enough of them in these sick societies to give ME pause -- remember that it was parents of the schoolchildren who reported on this teacher. It doesn't matter if life is "mundane" for periods of time. What matters is that these countries are powder kegs and every infidel provides an opportunity to strike the match.

296 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:01:16am

re: #284 American Jewess In Jerusalem

re: #281 Judith

Do these brave Muslims speak out against the murder of Jewish citizens at the hands of Palestinian homicide bombers? Do they point out that such murderous activity is contrary to Islam?

I didn't think so.

I'm unimpressed.

Why would they? It isn't contrary to Islam, in fact it is commanded by Islam, if you refuse to convert or submit than all good faithful Muslims are commanded to kill such infidels...

297 mglazer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:01:23am

Does anyone really think any western country really cares about its own citizens?

Reliance on others for your own safety is foolhardy

298 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:01:47am

Why don't we email toy companies and tell them we don't want anymore teddy bears being sold in the Sudan and they should make a statement about it? the Christmas buying season is coming up. Toy companies should be sensitive.

299 mglazer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:04:36am

re: #281 Judith

It says in their death cult "if a jew is behind a rock, the rock will call out and tell you to 'kill the jew behind me'"

If anyone thinks muzzelim is a religion and comparable to other faiths

Dream on

Imagine a death cult with billions of members and countries forcing others to not "offend" their death cult

We are living in times of weak wills

Freedom loving people are quiet

Evil is strong and all around, very loud - no one is daring to fight back for their own lives

Pathetic weak feeble

300 mglazer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:05:54am

Sensitivity/appeasment to Murderous Death Cults is what will help us survive

That is modern western thought

That is why the West is weak and lost

301 ladycatnip  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:07:20am
A British teacher who faces 40 lashes after naming a teddy bear Mohammed has been charged with insulting religion, showing contempt for religious belief, and inciting hatred.

This should send a chill down the spine of anyone who loves their freedom. It's the leftists who wish ill upon anyone who opposes them and their politically correct religion of tolerance.

The reason the anti-torture activists are not on the march, is they have no problem with torture if it's inflicted on someone who doesn't share their ideology. These same people who scream about waterboarding have no propblem with this because they perceive it as either deserved or just part of another culture.

I'd bet Gibbons would take waterboarding over the cane if give the choice.

302 Seraphym  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:10:09am

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Hold on a second - if Mahomet's name is "sacred", how come every second inbred male in the Muslim world is called that or some variation thereon?

I would venture to guess that, of all the humanoid-shapes in the world that have been named after dirty ol' Uncle Mo, this one is the least likely to murder someone because a 1600-year-old tribal warlord's book of oppression told him to.

Then again, if the Chucky series of movies have any credence, I could be wrong...

303 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:13:35am

I'm thinking it's time for my annual viewing of The Lord of the Rings. I need to believe that Good will win out against Evil, no matter how few Elves we have on our side, or how many Orcs they have on theirs.

304 Squirrelguy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:13:38am

re: #59 Quiller

Can I call my toilet paper mohamed? Just askin.

I already have.

305 arcatan  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:16:23am

Excerpts from "Mohammed the Angry Pig":

Mohammed the angry pig happened to have run of an area that was rich with truffles so Mohammed was able to sell the treats and become quite wealthy. He enjoyed using his wealth not to improve his own condition but to antagonize anyone he didn't like.

Mohammed had a new neighbor, a fine horse that had been rescued from abuse at a terrible circus. The farmer had taken a tiny bit of Mohammed's sty to build a stall for the horse who he had renamed "Endurance". Mohammed wasn't going to let this be and set about trying to drive Endurance away. He would constantly harangue the poor horse and soon began to blame every little problem on the horses presence. It turns out that Mohammed had even quite enjoyed the brutal circus where Endurance was so abused.

At first the donkey, known as "Lefty", liked the horse, feeling a kindred spirit. But over time as Endurance grew stronger, Lefty came to increasingly resent him and partake in the bullying tactics of Mohammed.

306 Is it me?  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:17:51am

I have no way of knowing if any military action is being considered. If the SAS/SBS were to be involved, orders would have to come from the Politicians. Special Forces would advise whether any action was possible given any Intel they had. Nu Labour are gutless and we have no idea what orders they have given to the military re ROE in Iraq, Afghan. or the Shatt. The taking of the Royal Marines and Royal Navy personnel is a case in point. The problem was caused by completely wrong tactics when operating in an area where it was known the Revolutionary Guards could be very agressive and just looking for an excuse to kidnap or kill our personnel. Where those tactics originated I don't know, however, they should never have been operating without air support (the helicopter had to go back and refuel), and quite frankly I would have had 2 boats. One to do the boarding and the other to patrol around and keep an eye out. The Rev. Guards almost got their hands on an Australian patrol a while ago but the Aussies were lucky and managed to get back on the boat and see them off. Once you're captured all bets are off. I have no idea what the military have been told about what to do in these circumstances but I have a nasty suspicion the idiocy goes right back to Nu Labour. Somehow I don't see Maggie ever standing for that sort of thing, but she would have been pragmatic if forced.
The problem isn't our Military (they are very good and the Royal Marine Commandos are elite troops) but with the Politicians. Stupidity flows down from their well upholstered and well paid suits and splatters itself over the Military who are at the sharp end and left hanging in the wind when something goes wrong.

I don't think I need to remind you of the goings on of 1979 when the Iranians turned your Embassy in Tehran into a yard sale and the resulting fiasco of Operation Eagle Claw (due mainly to inter-service rivalry and lack of proper Intel on the ground among the problems). All this despite months of planning. Not all things are possible. The world is a very different place from the 19th century one.

307 Malatrope  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:19:28am

If anyone in Hollywood had any courage, a movie would be crafted based on this lady's experience. A cross between Red Corner and Cry Freedom would be about the right mood to set.

But I'm not holding my breath. My skin would turn blue and fall off.

308 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:28:36am

re: #294 GreenSoccer

Usually I don't like negative points but this time I take it as a feather in my cap. For adults to be going around naming their toilet paper and their bowel movements after the big M and talking of throwing bacon at embassies. I mean really. Grow up. We have mouths and voices and we know how to write and speak and email. I expect the above described behavior from 1 year olds.

309 Friend of USA  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:32:44am

40 lashes for naming a Teddy bear?

Anyone arguing western culture is not superior to that culture is an inferior being.

310 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:38:47am

re: #295 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Well, my kids, up until three years ago, were educated in foreign expat schools in either Islamic Republics, predominantly Muslim or significant Muslim countries, so believe me, the measure of risk was extremely important to us - we had a lot to lose, so it's not an intellectual exercise for us - we had real stakes. We are very, very familiar with the set-ups of these schools. For European teachers, especially, it's a great way to save a lot of money and live in modest comfort as an expat. If the school is open for business, then the risks are usually low. If parents perceive risks are too high, they move their kids out of the country, so the schools cut back or have to shut down - but despite headlines, it doesn't happen that much.
We are very familiar with the expat school system - the American and French schools are the most comprehensive - in just about every country. The British maintained elementary schools for the most part, with a few exceptions for upper schools - they are habituated to boarding school mentality so they expect that British families would send their kids to the UK when they reached 6-7th grade. British families who wanted their kids around usually had to choose between the American School or the French school. The American school is usually 5 times the cost of the French school, so a number of Brits end up in the French schools.

311 Wishbone  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:40:27am

re: #264 Teacake!

I assume she is liberal and being British on top of that will probably not feel the normal reaction of human anger but will no doubt, feel as if she must apologize for her "carelessness"

I'm impressed. It only took you three little lines to tell the world that you know absolutely fuck all about the British character.

312 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:40:56am

re: #308 GreenSoccer

I gave the negative point.

You think barbecuing pork chops in front of the Sudanese Embassy would be a hate crime? You would support charges against DocRambo if he did that?

I'm not going to let you diminish my rights to free speech. Screw you.

This is a test of will. If they want to throw hissy fits over teddy bears, we should do anything we can come up with to deliberately offend muslims.

313 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:41:39am

re: #310 wanumba

You are talking about foreigners sending their kids to schools not the natives attending schools.

314 Drima  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:56:34am

This is utterly loony and completely disgusting!

315 kansas  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:57:03am

What you haven't reported in your haste to criticize Islam, is that the bear's last name was Asswipe.

316 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:04:14pm

over at dhimmiwatch, there is a story where one of the teacher's students claims that he's the one who asked that the bear be named "Mohammed"---after himself, not the prophet. (Go to dhimmiwatch; it's about the third story down, captioned "7-year-old Sudanese student defends teacher. . . ").

No blasphemy, no intended insult to the prophet. The little boy wanted the bear named after himself, an incident which, in a sane society, would have all the adults murmuring, "Awww. . . CUTE!" not, "FLOG THE EVIL INFIDEL TEACHER!"

By the way, there are many Hispanics here in the US named "Jesus", and when was the last time you heard Christians screaming that this was blasphemy, and that their parents should be flogged for such a crime? So, I never want to hear again how Christians are just as intolerant as jihadis. And, Friend of USA, #309, I agree; I never, ever, want to hear again how Western society is somehow inferior to societies that produce this sort of lunacy. Don't. Want. To. Hear. It. At. All!

#311 Wishbone

Speaking of the British character, it would be nice if Prince Charles would step up and try actually doing something on this British citizen's behalf, instead of burbling about the spiritual glories of the east, which, I understand, is what he's been up to lately.

Seriously, why aren't Brits themselves up in arms about this?

Me, I don't care how liberal/moonbatty this woman may be, or where she comes from; nobody deserves a hideous flogging for the naming of a teddy bear.

317 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:06:17pm

re: #313 GreenSoccer

re: #310 wanumba

You are talking about foreigners sending their kids to schools not the natives attending schools.

A lot of families couldn't afford the expat schools, especially the American schools - including us. They run $15,000 up plus a $5-6,000 entry "building fund" for a day school. All State Dept and USG (US GOvenment) employees get free tuition - the bill is sent to the US taxpayer for each employee dependent. The schools maintain a roster of priority entry - first to the EMbassy and USG, then out to USG contractors, other embassies, etc. If they have room, they'll allow in who they can in line with the host country's restrictions (if any- but usually spelled out in diplomatic agreements).
Those nationals - citizens of the host country or of other countries who can afford to send their kids to the AMerican schools and want English and a ticket into US colleges, pay. Or they send their kids to swishy boarding schools instead.
The French will admit any francophone national with a French passport - and there are many many who also carry dual citizenship and can have access to the French system. So, there are many "natives" - rather kids of nationals - who attend these schools. We are not even including private schools - which used to be or are still missionary schools without any diplomatic "cover."
India has a law that Indian citizens cannot attend foreign schools, but many Indians hold US passports along with their Indian passports and use that to get their kids in - though they reside, by many measures, rather permanently in India.
So, it's a very mixed student body in all these schools.

318 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:07:11pm

Actually, a good, non-violent form of protest against this might be for armies of people to go out, buy teddy bears, and hang little signs saying "Mohammed" around their necks (or embroider them on little T-shirts, or write them on with felt pens---whatever.)

Non-violent, but a way of getting the point across. . .

319 Seraphym  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:07:12pm

re: #305 arcatan

Hey, where can I get an illustrated copy for my little kid? I foresee that his generation will be footed with the bill to clean up the religious/cultural issues our generation is apparently too comfortable to address properly... best start educating him now.

320 J.S.  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:08:21pm

Speaking of British sailors...Maybe the SAS can send over a tattoo artist(e) to the Sudan...Then have a pic of Mad Mo put on the back of said teacher. Whip that! heh... (I hear that's what sailors did back in the 19th century -- painted/tattooed some religious figures on their backs so as to get spared the lash).

321 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:08:57pm

re: #305 arcatan

Good start to the story... just one small edit:

The farmer had takenpurchased a tiny bit of Mohammed's sty to build a stall for the horse who he had renamed "Endurance", with the agreement of the United Farmers' Cooperative. Mohammed at first tried to burst right in and retake this tiny corner by force, but "Endurance" was much too strong for him. So Mohammed thought up a different plan...

322 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:10:50pm

And, if anyone is interested in what Prince Chuckles, Caliph of Londonistan has been up to, go right back to dhimmiwatch, and scroll down again! The article about his praise for the East, and Sufis, is right below the one where the 7-year-old sticks up for the teacher.

That 7-year old kid is showing a lot more gumptio then the would-be king of England.

323 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:11:20pm

re: #316 TalkinKamel

Yeah, what is wrong with Prince Charles? He has lost his mind (if he ever had one). And the Brits make fun of President Bush! Geez. I find Prince Charles far more ludicrous and amusing. I've never seen anyone lick up to the Muslims like he can. Oy. It is nauseating.

324 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:12:25pm

#298 Greensoccer

That's another very good suggestion.

325 Spilchy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:16:06pm

What's appalling is the total silence from the American feminist movement like N.O.W. Same applies to the girl in Saudi Arabia who is going to get 200 lashes. Not a word. I guess it falls under their mission statement of promoting diversity and understanding. Tammy Bruce had a good interview on FOX about this.

At least human rights organizations got this one right.

326 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:16:07pm

#323 American Jewess in Jerusalem

Oh, G-d, yes! I really wish bonnie Prince Chuckles would just saddle up Camilla and go riding off into the sunset, yodeling a Sufi chant as he goes! Or maybe, somehow, fulfill his dream of becoming a tampon---in short, just get lost!

I'm no big fan of George Bush, but, Buddha help us, Chuckles really just ought to slap a big red nose on his face and tap dance in huge, oversized shoes, he's such a clown at this point! (And, yes, he kisses up to Islam most nauseatingly.)

327 exdemexlib  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:18:33pm

ok, #312 right on!
if mohammad teddy bears offend them,

then, just in time for the gift-giving season,

anatomically correct inflatable lifesize mohammad dolls,

and a new line of mohammad vibrators
(reported to have 40 times the strength of ordinary vibrators)

airlift them and drop them over the sudan

(i would prefer cluster bombing,
but i guess that's just too much fantasy to expect)

328 Confuzed  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:21:57pm

I suspect that if a stuffed Mo were released as a pig or some other animal, and put on sale, it would be sold out soon.
When you squeeze him or kick him, what would he say?

329 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:22:31pm
330 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:29:27pm

#329 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, I'm sure it counts for something. Exactly what, I'm not sure. . . but something. Maybe both Barack and Charles can win some sort of Howdy-Doody/Dumbo award?

(He not only has Barack Obama ears, he's got lots of empty space between them! Of course, as American Jewess points out, he probably never had a brain to begin with.)

331 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:30:49pm

#320 J.S.

Maybe the SAS can send over a tattoo artist(e) to the Sudan...Then have a pic of Mad Mo put on the back of said teacher. Whip that! heh...

Now there's some Yankee ingenuity.

Good idea.

.

332 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:32:49pm

Or, maybe somebody could just get some Blackwater mercs to go in and get the teacher out.

333 theheat  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:33:48pm

re: #1 sultan_knish

I always wondered the same thing, and find it ridiculous they end up in these stupid situations. They might as well throw themselves into an open fire and complain about the flames, the burns, the agony of being burned alive. Well, gee, didn't you know it was fire to begin with? That's the nature of fire.

It's ludicrous any religion would be so sensitive they'd dole out 40 lashes or a jail term over being - gasp! - offended, but - duh! - this is precisely what happens when you move to a backwards shithole. The solution is simple: don't do it - don't go there.

If this woman thinks her plight is going to somehow make the rest of the world tell the Sudanese government they should stop being so archaic and lighten up about their all-so-important goddamned religion, she's too dumb to be an educator. If we have learned anything by now, it's that other countries will sacrifice themselves before they'll openly pass judgment on another country's culture or religion, no matter how inferior and stupid it truly is.

334 J.S.  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:36:38pm

re: #332 TalkinKamel

Too expensive.

335 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:37:45pm

OK I am going to give some practical advice here.

It is a BIG PROBLEM that these mullahs of the "Khartoum north prosecution unit" and others like them are NOT AFRAID of us.

IMHO the "Khartoum north prosecution unit" should be given 8 hours in which to retract its judgment upon Ms. Gibbons, and APOLOGIZE, or face complete destruction of buildings and personnel.

The world will be a better place when these jokers are afraid of us & that's the best we will ever be able to do with them.

I believe this sowing of fear is one of the top necessary jobs of all western governments at the moment. Right now, the mullahs have been trying to make us afraid with their terrorism. The tables should be turned.

336 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:38:03pm
337 Frostbitten  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:43:10pm

No matter how many of these psychotic incidents are published, the EU continues to import Islamists at the same rate the US imports Mexicans.

338 rosesroses  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:49:16pm

Don't post very often, but this is so insane my head is spinning. Maybe because I love English Lit and just started reading "Jane Eyre" again-350 times maybe? Phrases like "the flower of English womanhood" spring to mind. Is this event the catalyst that will make the world understand that these bastards are insane and want to do this to us all? Will John Bull rise up and kick some ass, rescue their citizen-and start booting these freaks out of their country?Will the USA start investigating all the kwik-e-mosques springing up and throw these assholes out? I wish. All I can say is, every time you read a story like this, go buy more ammo or another gun. Bastards.

339 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:54:12pm

re: #338 rosesroses

This is far, far from over and I am afraid the end will be a big mess.

340 Sabraguy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:55:14pm

"Insulting religion"? Surely the charge should be "insulting a sick ideology"?

341 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 12:59:01pm

re: #338 rosesroses

Do they sell Slushies and gas at the Quicky Mosques?

342 rosesroses  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:02:59pm

re # 341 Widow'smight

No, just Jihad Jerky and Infidel Pies.

343 Irenike  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:05:56pm

I have an idea. Get a blank t-shirt, draw a picture of a teddy bear on it (in permanent marker) and have the bear saying: "My name is Mohammed." Then, wear the t-shirt in public and see what kind of reaction you get. I'll bet it'll be no big deal here in the USA. There will probably even be a lot of favorable comments.

344 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:06:08pm

re: #342 rosesroses

I guess they don't sell HamBurkas there though.

345 Sabraguy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:11:56pm

At least some good will come of this. While we Brits are quite happy to watch the Islamists rioting, rocketing, beheading and suicide-bombing (as long as its Americans or Israelis at the sharp end) this affair will really get up the noses of many ordinary people.

A few more sleepwalkers will wake up and realize what our country and the West is up against.

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:15:47pm
347 Frostbitten  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:15:51pm

If memory serves, King Bill lobed Cruse missiles at Sudan to for-stall being charged with a crime. Maybe the UK could charge the PM with something in hopes that he will repeat this proven tactic.

348 Sabraguy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:25:56pm

re: #129 sultan_knish

re: #10 DeafDog


re: #1 sultan_knish

No, I'm just saying it's about time Westerners Muslims stopped taking vacations and jobs in Muslim Western countries.

/fixed that for you

349 cagney  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:30:24pm

Will there massive worldwide anti-western protests with masses of burning teddy bear effigy's?

350 Isalutethetroops  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:36:45pm

She just needs to explain to them that they intended to load the Mo-Bear with explosives to kill infidels in Mohammed's name (PBUH)
They would release her and celebrate.

351 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:44:25pm

re: #343 Irenike

You would be likely to get beaten up by Muslims.

352 Irenike  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:46:46pm

#343 GreenSoccer

re: #343 Irenike

You would be likely to get beaten up by Muslims

.

Not if I were packing heat.

But seriously, GreenSoccer, do you really think American Muslims would have a problem with it?

353 Confuzed  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:47:55pm

Here's something worth noting, source remains anonymous to keep the head on the shoulders of originator:

Richards of the world rejoice, for today, the organ between a man's leg is no longer referred to as a d*ck, but as a Mo or Mohammed.

Usage example: Yeah, my mo's really been acting up recently so I'm heading to the urologist for a check up.

354 Irish Rose  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:51:26pm

Please don't joke about this lizards, this woman is old enough to be a grandmother and the 40 lashes could kill her. Something has to be done to help this poor woman.

The response from the NOW is gagworthy, and I'm ashamed that my daughter and I have to breathe the same American air as these pathetic women.

The feminist bitches from NOW who refuse to speak out on the British womans' behalf, are pussified weaklings... moral cowards, and intellectual dwarves... worthless, cowardly hypocritical hags who deserve to be beaten themselves.

The crows have come home to roost, Britain... you've enabled these ignorant, arrogant, barbaric savages for centuries in the name of multiculturalism. And now, they are openly jailing and beating your elderly.

What do you intend to do about it?


This incident may just be the tipping point for a lot of Brits who've been sitting on the fence for a while with regard to Islam... we can only hope.

355 Zardah  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:52:53pm

I don't know if anyone else posted this link, but it goes to a page that offers the email address for the Sudan Embassy in Washington D.C. for those who wish to express their concerns about this matter to the Sudan government representatives here in the U.S.

http://www.embassy.org/embassies/sd.html

356 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:53:33pm

re: #249 Dead Sea Squirrel

Thanks for the laugh.

357 Confuzed  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:57:48pm

#354 Irish Rose
I agree, but she's old enough to be a great-grandmother in some cultures, (South America) etc.
Maybe the best we can each do individually is to e-mail these links, let people know about LGF, etc.
The more the abuses of iSlam are exposed, the quicker we can all get moving on a solution.

358 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 1:58:16pm

re: #317 wanumba

My impresision is that the school is like the kind of school a peace corps volunteer might teach in. You think or know that it is a sophisticated school?

359 CEQAttorney  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:02:28pm

Okay, let me add this to the list of things that "insult Islam."

No. 7,359,864,120: Naming a teddy bear "Mohammad."

You know, at some point, it will be easier to make a list of things that don't insult Islam.

360 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:12:51pm

re: #312 Peter Verkooijen

Well he suggested a lot of things such as throwing bacon and pork chops and pork meatballs etc at the embassy or leaving it on the doorstep. One of his ideas was having a crowd of people and cooking up a pork bar b q. Throwing pork at Muslims or leaving it on doorsteps I can see is a hate crime. Cooking pork for Christians on an American sidewalk is not a hate crime but one would probably need a license. Doing it in front of a Sudanese embassy is culturally insensitive. Christians eating the pork is not a hate crime. He did not include that among his list of things to do. Why can't words be used?

You wouldn't like it if Muslims threw pieces of dogs etc at Christians or Jews. Jews wouldn't want pork thrown at them either. Most Christians and Jews would not want foodstuff thrown at them. When was the last time an adult you respected threw food at a person? At one time people were throwing cream pieces at speakers and the speakers sued and pressed charges for assault.

What about the Golden Rule? I personally do not want to be hit with pieces of dogs, nor cats, nor canaries, nor pork, nor squid nor octopus, nor tomatoes nor just about anything.

361 cagney  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:14:15pm

The new recruiting campaign for the school?

[Link: the-blogging-prophet.blogspot.com...]

362 Aisha bint Abi Bakr  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:40:33pm

I thought the Sudanese were too busy with other things, like hacking each other to pieces to worry about a teddy bear named Mohammad. Apparently this incidenct takes priority. Killing in the name of Islam is an every day occurance and is expected of muslims, but insulting the prophet by naming a teddy bear Mohammad, too much for them to bear. (Pun intended)

363 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:43:49pm
364 Digger Dan  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:43:51pm

re: #255 Eowyn2

re: #169 American Jewess In Jerusalem

The most bizarre aspect is that SHE did not even name the bear. Her students did.

What's even more bizarre is that the kids named the bear after one of their classmates, who said "The teacher asked me what I wanted to call the teddy. I said Muhammad. I named it after my name."

365 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:46:50pm

re: #362 Aisha bint Abi Bakr

apparently they can find the time between killing people to flog a European woman.

But isn't it nice that they are attending the so called peace conference in Annapolis?

Maybe our problem is that we never asked them what they meant by the word "peace" when we used the word peace. Maybe we assumed that we both meant the same thing. And frankly we don't know what words mean anymore with GW and with Condi as well.

366 Wishbone  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:50:46pm

re: #316 TalkinKamel

Sorry for taking my time answering you; was away having a heart attack, watching my football team make bloody hard work of a win.

Forget about Charles, mate, he's stark raving bonkers. We've known this for years, at the very least about the time the news broke that he talked to his plants. Honestly, the British public have much more time for Harry and William than they ever had for their father.

Also, the British don't do 'up in arms' in the way Americans do. Read the comment sections in some of our nationals and you'll get a decent inkling as to how we feel about it. People are very concerned and angry about the events surrounding this lady, but we tend toward patience and seeing how things develope. We also tend to hope to God almighty that our politicos don't fuck it all up and get her killed and/or embarrass our nation (again) in the process.

re: #323 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Of course we take the mickey out of Bush. But then again, we'll have a laugh at anybody's expense. It's not personal: We're equal opportunity offenders. Trust me, Bush doesn't even have a start on the amount of abuse we've heaped on Charles over the years and I doubt he ever will, given that old Charlie boy gives us so much more to spin a punchline out of. It's a 'British Humour' thing.

367 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:51:32pm

re: #363 ploome hineni

what info are you aware of that the rest of us are not? something about divorce and wanting excitement? from where did you get that?

368 Aisha bint Abi Bakr  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:56:11pm

For those of you complaining about N.O.W., I am a member and have been for many years. More and more people are beginning to exert pressure on the organization and the comments by Tammy Bruce will definitely help.

369 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 2:58:51pm
370 Macker  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 3:03:35pm

re: #27 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Tickle me elMO was not available for comment...

There, fixed that for ya!

371 Wishbone  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 3:11:57pm

re: #354 Irish Rose

The crows have come home to roost, Britain... you've enabled these ignorant, arrogant, barbaric savages for centuries in the name of multiculturalism. And now, they are openly jailing and beating your elderly.

And how many dollars did it take to enable the Saudis, eh Rose?

Why don't you come down off that high horse and ask yourself if only Britain is guilty of fucking things up to the extent that some of it is blowing up in our faces, no matter how good or nationalistic the original intention. As for your centuries of multiculturalism, I suggest that you go and have a long hard look at the history books. Exploited, suppressed, dispossessed... These are good words for some of what we were doing to our friends in far off places over the last few centuries. 'Enabled' doesn't readily come to mind.

372 Irenike  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 3:16:34pm

#354 Irish Rose,

I share you contempt for NOW. I sent an email to the local NOW chapter, asking why neither news item (Saudi rape victim, Sudanese teddy bear) appears on their home page, or on the page titled "Violence Against Women." So far, no response, although it has only been a few hours.

Their website looks like the rantings of pathetic, washed up old hippy-leftists, whining over the same old issues for 30 years: contraception, lesbian rights, health care insurance, abortion rights. Their message seems to be this: We want to screw whomever we want, when we want, and if we get pregnant or get venereal disease, we want the goverment to pay for it. If you don't agree with us, you hate women and gays. Oh, yeah, and we'll only badmouth men (American men, that is) because they won't chop off our heads.

Meanwhile, real women are suffering and dying because of seriously mysoginistic policies in Muslim countries, and the feminists are silent. There are no words to convey my contempt for American feminists. They are a bunch of deluded, spoiled brats who have absolutely no credibility.

373 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 3:20:45pm
374 curt9988  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 3:24:13pm
When will Westerners learn to stop taking jobs in countries under Muslim law, no matter how tempting the pay may be. The come on probably promises them exotic locations and a chance to explore another culture. Well this it

I agree with #1. Kind of the same way I'd agree that a well-dressed, bejeweled woman strolling down a dark street in a bad neighborhood almost deserves to be mugged. Did she have a right to do it? Yes. Was it smart? No. Should she have known better? Yes.

Westerners should steer way clear of Islamic countries. You couldn't pay me enough to visit somewhere like Sudan, much less work there.

375 Frostbitten  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 3:30:47pm

RE: 367 GreenSoccer

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

"Today, one of her former colleagues in Liverpool said her friend had been through a difficult few years - separating from her husband Peter after 32 years and several bereavements - and was trying to start a new life. "

“It was always a dream of hers. Gillian is such a traveller and wanted to increase her knowledge of different cultures and countries and every year would go on mad explorations."

“She always said she fancied teaching abroad.

“She was just fascinated by Sudan and wanted to learn more about their culture and experience life there -
***
I wish for her sake she had known more about Islam than do most British.

376 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:01:35pm

re: #368 Aisha bint Abi Bakr

look at how they blackballed Chesler for telling the truth. a yuck ortganization.

377 ethanxxx  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:11:58pm

By this Bass Ackward logic... shouldn't every muslim who named their child Mohammed be punished? I say YES! The Brits need to launch a commando raid and get her out. They should stick around awhile after she's safely out of that prehistoric s**t-pit, and do a little "Insulting" of their own.

378 Ellen  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:18:31pm

I hope that Queen Elizabeth takes after her mother and lives over 100 years so that Charles doesn't have a long reign.

Sigh. I would love to see a strike force go in with all the guns blazing and get this poor lady out. Only a race of pure evil would think of flogging a middle aged woman.

379 nemo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:19:31pm

I named a boil on my buttocks Mohammed. I am glad it finally went away. Wouldn't want to get lashed or anything, especially with a boil on my buttocks.

380 Lynn B.  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:21:05pm

Oh dear Lord!

BRITAIN is to summon Sudan's ambassador for urgent talks after a British teacher was charged with insulting religion in Khartoum.

As the case escalated into a full-blown diplomatic incident, a spokesman said Foreign Secretary David Miliband wants an explanation for the decision to charge Gillian Gibbons over letting pupils name a teddy bear Mohammed.

"We are surprised and disappointed by this development and the Foreign Secretary will summon as a matter of urgency the Sudanese ambassador to discuss the matter further,'' said a spokesman for Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

The purpose of the meeting was "so we can get a clear explanation for the rationale behind the charges and a sense of what the next steps might be", he said.

"We will consider our response in the light of that,'' he said.

A Foreign Office spokesman said the ambassador was likely to be called in by the minister today.

Ms Gibbons, 54, has been in custody for three days after being arrested in Khartoum because parents complained that in allowing pupils at an expensive English school to name the bear Mohammed she was insulting the Muslim prophet.

The Foreign Office confirmed that she had been charged with insulting religion and inciting hatred.

If found guilty under the article - publicly insulting or degrading any religion, its rites, beliefs and sacred items or humiliating its believers - she would face up to six months in jail, 40 lashes and a fine.

Prime Minister Brown said on Tuesday that British authorities were in touch with Sudanese police to "ascertain that (Ms Gibbons) is safe and well and to clarify the position so that she can be released soon''.

For devout Muslims, any physical depiction of Mohammed is blasphemous and strictly forbidden.

There has been some speculation that the mother-of-two, who had only been in Sudan since leaving England in July, could also be charged with sedition, a far more serious charge than insulting Muslims.

Meanwhile, Sudan's embassy in London said the affair could still be resolved amicably - but underlined the cultural differences behind the decision to charge Ms Gibbons.

"We still say that it can be resolved in an amicable way through a fair hearing and fear investigation and fair legal system,'' embassy spokesman Khalid al Mubarak said on the BBC.

The head of the Muslim Council of Britain said he was "appalled'' at the decision to charge Ms Gibbons.

"This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense,'' said Muhammad Abdul Bari.

"There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith.

"We call upon the Sudanese President Umar al-Bashir to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal,'' he asaid.

The Sudanese embassy spokesman declined to comment on the indictment.

"It's not for me to say if it's sensible or not. This is now in front of the law and I should not interfere in the case or try to influence it in any way,'' he said.

"But a teddy bear in your culture is different from a teddy bear in our culture,'' he said.

"In our culture a teddy bear is a wild and dangerous animal. It's not something to be cuddled by children before they sleep. This is important to remember,'' he said.

It's the "culture" defense.

381 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:28:08pm

re: #378 Ellen

I would love to see a strike force go in with all the guns blazing and get this poor lady out.

That is the exact right response. Elizabeth Tudor would have ordered that.

382 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:35:07pm

re: #358 GreenSoccer

re: #317 wanumba
My impresision is that the school is like the kind of school a peace corps volunteer might teach in. You think or know that it is a sophisticated school?


I said the Brits tend to run schools up to about 6th grade - they are geared to boarding afterwards ...
Let's take a look at the Unity High School website:
[Link: www.unityhighschool.org...]
Pretty much confirms what I said earlier.
No one thought to look up the site? Guess people think Sudan is all scorched grass huts and haven't realized there are schools with websites and bloggers and so forth, too. Khartoum is a big international posting - lots of expats working there with kids who need to be in schools. Remember, they took all the oil money - so Khartoum is a city with plenty of conveniences.

It's all there. It's the British Embassy School. This school would hire a mix of Brits, a few expats who live there of perhaps other nations, like say, India or Kenya or Australia, along with local Sudanese staff. These schools are big hires of expat spouses who want work. (meaning the international schools like this one)

(And actually Peace Corps Volunteers often have masters and PhDs in education -so they could end up in some mud school or a Third World University - they are that versatile.)

So, it all depends on the diplomatic agreement signed between the British Government and the Sudanese government as to the diplomatic protections of the staff - sometimes the expats are covered, sometimes they are not, sometimes only the top one or two are covered.
Guaranteed the Sudanese govenment is aware of the diplomatic status of this woman - she had to be admitted/accepted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in order to enter the country for the post at the school.

They want to hit the British government, for some veiled political gain, and are using her as a tool. Simple as that.

383 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 4:46:12pm

[Link: www.unityhighschool.org...]
Check out the staff photos - see the variety of dress of the staff? The nationalities?
There are a lot of Indians (SE Asians) living in Sudan - big private sector, plus a very big United Nations expat population.
School grounds are a lot nicer than a lot US schools - and the British schools are nowhere near financed as well as the American Schools.
With this school going through high school graduation - that is unusual for a British school - but it is a reflection of the high demand in the expat community and the high level of conveniences available in Khartoum.

384 TalkinKamel  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:01:53pm

#366 Wishbone

That was an answer?

I hate to tell you this, mate, but it looks as if yer bloomin' politicos really are going to mess this one up (what have they done right lately?) unless a lot of Brits really do pull themselves away from the telly and start worrying about things other than their favorite teams.

I'm all in favor of patience, but I don't think patience and a soft-spoken approach is going to help Britain in general, or this poor woman, at this point. It's time to start making an issue of these things---politely, but firmly. Otherwise, you really can't continue claiming British spirit is still alive.

As far Charles, he's really gone far beyond just being a joke, at this point. It's a sad day for Britain when a 7-year old Somali boy is willing to stick up for a British citizen, but the king-to-be of England, and English politicos, aren't.

385 Nemo  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:02:04pm

re: #382 wanumba

re: #358 GreenSoccer

[...]Guess people think Sudan is all scorched grass huts[...]

When I think of Sudan, my mind wanders to the cool grasslands where one can raise cattle and goats, also commit genocide, especially in the western region.

I disagree with you though. The teacher did not play into the hands of the politicians in Khartoum. It is the religious fanatics that seized upon this opportunity. Their mindless barbarism is what is useful to the politicians, not the teacher. In this instance, the teacher's "blasphemy" serves as the lightning rod. In the next, something else will serve that purpose.

386 Perplexed  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:14:18pm

Mrs Gibbons has been accused of insulting the Prophet Mohammed after giving a class teddy bear the sacred first name.

So I guess that I would be in real trouble if I were to name a dog, pig, and monkey mohammed. I wonder if there are any Jews with mohammed in their names.

387 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:15:03pm

re: #383 wanumba

absolutely amazing. One would think it had the kind of families attending that would not have objected to a teddy bear naming or that they could have worked it out with the school and informed her that it was a bad idea and renamed the bear...

388 Frostbitten  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:26:25pm

[Link: www.unityhighschool.org...]

"The Lower School curriculum is based on the English National Curriculum. Since August 2004 we have supplemented this with the International Primary Curriculum, the fastest-growing international curriculum for Primary schools. "

When did the "English National Curriculum" incorporate Shari'a and the other rantings of Mad Mo?

389 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:49:07pm

re: #386 Perplexed

no you don't have Jews with the name Mohammed. You might have a Jew named Moe for a variety of names such as morris or Moses.

390 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 5:50:19pm

Now that I have seen what the school and teachers look like i withdraw my idea of bombing the school and the town. Back to the drawing board.

391 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 6:07:57pm

re: #387 GreenSoccer
I think it was someone outside who pounced - the Khartoum government watches foreigners very very closely - they have informants and so forth all over. It also serves to intimidate the local and expat staff of course - to let them know they are being watched, as well as any local Sudanese families who've enrolled their kids there. So, there's something unsaid that's driving this, possibly a distraction. The teacher was just hapless, an easy pickings. Talked to someone just today in Sudan and mentioned the incident, and the exasperated response was, "All the nonsense going on in Sudan and the media is only focused on that?"

I re: #385 Nemo
Southern Sudan is trying to make something of itself - Equatoria (East) is in rebellion against Khartoum - so the central government doesn't have too much more than this level of crap to manipulate, with all the rebellions and unrest its rule has caused. If the Darfur tribes were to unify as the South did under Joseph Garang, then Darfur could pretty much halt the atrocities by themselves. The level of warfare is pretty basic - budget-wise, that is. But Khartoum spends a lot of its time encouraging trouble amongst the normally competing tribal groups just to insure no unifed front is established. Mind ya'll this is a region of the world where the #1 tribal pastime is cattle rustling - from other tribal groups, a bovine round robin.
They just found a large herd of elephants in Southern Sudan - everyone thought that the years of war had decimated all the animals, but they are now reappearing - guess they weren't that dumb - they hid.

As far as the international education system - heavily infected with public school PC, in curriculum, politcs and prices. The American Embassy School in New Delhi has a "Hall of Peace" and a "coffee house" where parents can strum guitars and read poetry. US taxpayer money - billing over $21,000 for the entry year of high school - and still have to buy your lunch - the place looks like a college university. But of course, no one on the school board who votes this stuff in has to pay a dime. All USG employees get free for dependents. All others pay 100% up front. The Jarkara Indonesia school requires parents to post an over $10,000 bond as a conditon of enrollment, entry tuition is sky-high.

392 wanumba  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 6:33:08pm

re: #390 GreenSoccer
Good for you!
It's a lot of mundane in an exotic setting - kids go to school, people have to go to work, shop, etc. like dentist appointments. It's urban/semi-suburban living, not rural, with cinemas and shopping centers and stores - neighborhoods - from rinky-dink poor up to expensive swish. When it's hot at 125 +degrees people stay indoors and visit with each other in the a/c comforts, blocking out the dust. Those without a/c doze in whatever shade is available until evening comes.
With Khartoum politics, it's quite possible that one half doesn't know what the other half is up to - this may also be a sign of Khartoum internal squabbling and power grabbing.
Khartoum just rolled up a real terrorist group a few months ago that was targeting the British embassy if I remember correctly, so it's not black and white as to what to expect from the Sudanese. They have their own agenda, apart from the jihadists - it may be the same sometimes, other times diverge , yet other times be in total opposition.
The Brits and the northern Sudanese do go back a ways - seeing how the Brits strangled the lucrative slave trade that had crippled the region for centuries and Gordon was killed at Khartoum by a self-proclaimed mystic Mahdi - whose mantle Osama has tried to restore pick up during his stay in Sudan (a very symbolic stay to pick up that cachet - the guy who defeated the Brits - for a little while anyway). But, remember always, Osama was a Saudi Arab - he would have looked down on the darker, mixed Arabicized northern Sudanese, no matter how pious they tried to be, which may have been one reason they were willing to boot him to the USA.

393 Straitcircle  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 7:33:51pm

Shari'a injunction: no “teddy bear” can be named Muhammad, but possibly a cabbage patch doll can be named Jesus Christ or Zionist Pig – whatever you prefer?

394 EE  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 7:59:04pm

We use the term "Muslims", and that is confusing to the infidel world concerning the expectations of those who idolize Mohammed. Perhaps the term "Mohammedan" would be more accurate, and it would reflect more accurately the obsession concerning Mohammed.

To the Mohammedans, their idol Mohammed is a neo-god. And they go bananas over perceived insults that were never meant as insults at all. But in their paranoid state, they see everywhere the occurrence of conduct unbecoming a dhimmi.

Ex post facto laws are retroactive laws, and there is protection in our US Constitution against states making laws about newly-defined crimes that are punishable retroactively.

In this case, they Mohammedans didn't make a new law. They just decided that something was undhimmilike behavior, and they want it punished with a ferocious whipping -- even thought the lady who allowed her class to name a cute cuddly bear Mohammed did not intend any insult, and was not aware of any prohibition against doing that. So the whipping that the Mohammedans desire is like a new law that applies punishment retroactively.

395 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 7:59:55pm

re: #391 wanumba

Well I think a teacher would have felt safe working at a school like that. I feel very badly for her. She si probably not a Rachel Corrie type at all. Her husband dumped her. She tried to do good in this world and look at what she's got.

396 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:20:11pm

re: #352 Irenike

In answer to you question, yes.

The same way LL's can put slogans on their cars but republicans can't because their cars will be vandalized.

Did you read the article linked at LGF about York University?

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Jews are the canaries in the coal mine.

397 cartoonboy  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 9:37:28pm

How many lashes for proselytizing would she have received had she named the bear Jesus?

398 ShanghaiRay  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:33:54pm

I didn't have time to read all the above posts so if I'm repeating what was already said, I'm sorry.

I don't know a lot about this lady's personal life or political opinions so I'm only guessing that she just might be a liberal who wouldn't hesitate to deny that their is a war against terrorism and would most likely be a supporter of the hate-Bush crowd. Maybe she was even so far in denial that she thought that because she was a popular teacher she would be immune or even more likely didn't even fathom the evil lurking beneath the surface and smiles of the people she met on the street. Her naivete is her downfall.

Let this be a lesson to all those that say Islam is a religion of peace and that if we just try to understand them we will come to some mutual middle ground where we can all live peacefully. There will be no peace until one side or the other is totally defeated either by force or on the idealogical battlefield. This poor women, no matter what her beliefs are does not deserve to be beaten and imprisoned for anything. Even if her intent was to insult Islam.

Although I am a Christian by name and try my best to practice its covenants, I often imagine a world without any religion. It's a passing thought because I truly believe Christianity is devoted to goodness, however, wouldn't the world be a better place without the divisiveness that religion brings to it. I'm certainly no secularist nor am I an atheist but it is definitely food for thought. We humans spend too much time thinking about death and the afterlife while neglecting the days we live on earth. A truly good religion would teach us to do good things on earth and help our brethren in need and not even mention the afterlife as it is an inevitability that no religion can stop from happening and thus to discuss it is a waste of what little time we have on earth.

Evil exists in the world and can be manifested in various ways and until we realize that it is not caused by any certain religion but by those use religion as a mask for political ideology we will never be able to confront the true nature of our enemy.

399 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 10:55:08pm

re: #32 Seattle Rep

#24
"That settles it. I know what I am going to name my new dog."

That would be an insult to dogs.

My dog (golden retriever) is noble. She's brave, caring, intelligent, and gentle. She emphatically knows when I'm sad, comforts me, and always lifts my spirits.

No such creature should EVER be degraded by being named after such a vile piece of shit like ole' 'Mo.


Sorry, not to be dramatic.

400 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:11:46pm

re: #398 ShanghaiRay

She si British not American. Her husband walked out on her after something like 32 years of marriage. She decided to do some good and to travel. She probably felt safe as it was a British school in Sudan manned by ex pats.

see

[Link: www.unityhighschool.org...]

[Link: www.unityhighschool.org...]

The school has a website It is in a big city Khartoum.
It is an attempt to embarrass the British. She is just a tool.

Tonight Giuliani was talking about Islam being a wonderful religion that got hijacked by terrorists. So what is this in Sudan?

401 LEGION  Wed, Nov 28, 2007 11:17:52pm

Yes, the bear was actually named after a popular student and the school was a clean well run private school with expats and the lady was recently divorced and wanted to be a teacher overseas and not a mindless liberal do gooder. The only thing not mentioned above was the hidden reason why this is happening. FOLLOW THE MONEY. The school is having a TAX issue dispute with the local government. This is being used as an excuse. They'll pay and she'll be fine. Bonus: this is another slap in the face to the wacko extremists and their apologists and another piece of evidence that we are at war with those losers. They better get that fact through their thick skulls or else.

402 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 7:10:10am

Well Britain says it is using kid gloves. I would still like to see vengeance. The time that the US accidentally bombed Frances' embassy after they refused to allow US planes to travel through French air space... that sort of thing. Are there any Sudanese embassies in Iraq that could accidentally be bombed in the middle fo the night? Also I would like to see immigration stopped from that land to the US and Britain. Giulianai said terrorists had hijacked a great religion. The Sudan are not terrorists. We know this because Condi had them attend the conference in Annapolis. These people are not criminals outside the system. These people are the government. They are the system. They represent Islam.
After this woman is freed they need a great big foot on their behind. I may not be for throwing pork meatballs at the Sudanese embassy here in the US but if a plane full of pork accidentally dropped its load on the court house or the house where the religious authorities who dreamed this up happen to live, well, you know, accidents happen.

403 ariamne  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:18:05am

re: #75 Owl

Then another 200 for appealing the sentence?


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