wouldn't it be easier just to identify the actual conservatives used?

No more stupid debates!

Speaking of plants, a Pakistani girl is going to be "planted" very soon given that there was an honor killing by her family:

From the Times of India

Pakistani girl axed by father, kin in 'honour killing'
29 Nov 2007, 1724 hrs IST,PTI

SMS NEWS to 58888 for latest updates
ISLAMABAD: A girl in Pakistan's Punjab province became victim of 'honour killing' when she was axed to death by her father and close relatives for allegedly having an affair with a boy of her locality.

The girl was killed after her father, Farooq Khan Baloch, became suspicious that his daughter was having an affair with Amjad, a youngster in Jhang tehsil in Punjab province.

Seeing them together, Farooq along with relatives Sher Khan, Asghar Khan and Riaz Khan, axed the girl to death, while the boy managed to escape, the Dawn daily reported.

The police have registered a case, it said. 'Honour killing' is widespread among rural Muslim tribes in Pakistan where the victim is mostly female. The spilling of blood under the garb of honour is mostly at the behest of close family members with the aim of undoing the perceived loss of wider family status owing to the actions of the victim.

Ghazala, a woman in Punjab province's Joharabad, was set on fire by her brother on 6 January 1999. She was murdered because her family suspected her of having an 'illicit' relationship with a neighbour.

Women in Pakistan face death by shooting, burning or killing with axes if they are deemed to have brought shame on the family. They are killed for supposed 'illicit' relationships, for marrying men of their choice, for divorcing husbands.

They are even murdered by their kin if they are raped as they are thereby deemed to have brought shame on their family. Often, the truth of the suspicion does not matter - merely the allegation is enough to bring dishonour on the family and therefore justifies the slaying.

I've yet to watch even 1 minute of any of these debates, Dem or Rep. Sounds like I'm not missing much. I'm voting for Rudi anyway.

re: #3 Ringo the Gringo

No more stupid debates!

THUNDERDOME!
"two candidates enter, one candidate leaves."

So who has the RoundUp™?

You want truth? The truth is nobody wants the truth.

Imagine if the Repubs had "plants" in the Demoncrat debates - what would ensue? An outcry of unbelievable proportions, 24/7 coverage on every network, talk show, etc. Congressional investigations...

But when the Demoncrats perpetrate dirty tricks they are excused. It stinks!

Vote Repub in 2008 and yes the bum Bush won't be back!

OT - There has been an attempted coup in The Philippines.

The information is still sketchy but this caught my eye:

MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine military and police teams stormed a luxury hotel in Manila on Thursday to end a short-lived coup attempt by a small group of soldiers and others who had called on the army to mutiny.

Government forces fired teargas into the lobby of the Manila Peninsula Hotel and used an armored personnel carrier to batter down its glass doors before storming in under cover of repeated bursts of fire in the air.

There were no casualties.

The rebel soldiers, a senator, former Vice-President Teofisto Guingona and a few clerics who had occupied the plush icon in the sprawling city of 12 million people surrendered and were arrested.

"We are going out for the sake of the safety of everybody," their leader Senator Antonio Trillanes earlier told reporters. "For your sake, because we will not live with our conscience if some of you get hurt or get killed in the crossfire. We cannot afford that."

The dems can't win without cheating.

This fol-der-ol brings the candidates down to the level of the Marx Brothers selling lots in a swamp in Florida:

Chico: "I got plenty more numbers"

Grocho: "If I hear more you'll hear plenty."

/Snort.

#5 Northpaw

Got your back on that one. I don't like Rudy's abortion stance, but he is the perfect candidate otherwise, or as close to perfection as you can get.

CNN: The New Botanical Garden!

re: #10 Ringo the Gringo

OT - There has been an attempted coup in The Philippines.

The information is still sketchy but this caught my eye:

MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine military and police teams stormed a luxury hotel in Manila on Thursday to end a short-lived coup attempt by a small group of soldiers and others who had called on the army to mutiny.

Government forces fired teargas into the lobby of the Manila Peninsula Hotel and used an armored personnel carrier to batter down its glass doors before storming in under cover of repeated bursts of fire in the air.

There were no casualties.

The rebel soldiers, a senator, former Vice-President Teofisto Guingona and a few clerics who had occupied the plush icon in the sprawling city of 12 million people surrendered and were arrested.

"We are going out for the sake of the safety of everybody," their leader Senator Antonio Trillanes earlier told reporters. "For your sake, because we will not live with our conscience if some of you get hurt or get killed in the crossfire. We cannot afford that."

Clerics are useless. They should have gotten wizards.

Doesn't seem to matter who asks the questions The moderators, plants and non-plant all seem equally inept. Plus, the candidates just weigh in with talking points or just skirt the issues entirely.

It would seem far better if there was a moderator to keep track of time but let the candidates each other questions.

I've had my fill of Cooper, Blitzer, and Russert.

re: #12 loppyd

That and they have to obfuscate their true agenda. Freaken commies.

Who cares about seized Uranium in Slovakia? There are far more pressing issues (like "teh gays" in the military) for our presidential candidates to discuss.

Now will the Dems go on Fox? They are lame, if they can't handle Fox, how in the hell are they gonna handle, say, Vanuatu, Lichtenstein, San Marino or Andorra?

I watched. The debates proved several things to me:
The dems are all whiney losers, who can't stand hard questions.
The republicans (save one -- RP) are all smart, strong, and have guts.
Ron Paul is the comic relief of the Republican Party (I know, he's not really a Republican).
CNN is no worse than MSNBC.
And oh yes, Ron Paul ought to run for president with Dennis Kucinich. They are both funny and not to be taken with any degree of seriousness.

The CNN show "Broken Government" that followed the debate, started out talking about attack ads, stating that the "Swift Boat" ads against Kerry were in conflict with all the documentation.

The Democratic criticism of the Republican *candidates* was that they didn't talk about health care or Iran in the debates. Hey, they answered the questions, so that's bogus, but was it also a CNN setup?

That's just another case of the incivility of the left, of which they are proud and they want more, but the question is whether CNN can be trusted on all these points.

If the GOP is stupid enough to ever appear on CNN or MessNBC again, they deserve no mercy.

I havem't watched any of the debates either. What a joke, especially these laughable UmmaTube "debates". Lincoln and Douglas are spinning in their graves like Iranian centrifuges.

re: #16 JamesTKirk

re: #10 Ringo the Gringo

OT - There has been an attempted coup in The Philippines.

The information is still sketchy but this caught my eye:

MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine military and police teams stormed a luxury hotel in Manila on Thursday to end a short-lived coup attempt by a small group of soldiers and others who had called on the army to mutiny.

Government forces fired teargas into the lobby of the Manila Peninsula Hotel and used an armored personnel carrier to batter down its glass doors before storming in under cover of repeated bursts of fire in the air.

There were no casualties.

The rebel soldiers, a senator, former Vice-President Teofisto Guingona and a few clerics who had occupied the plush icon in the sprawling city of 12 million people surrendered and were arrested.

"We are going out for the sake of the safety of everybody," their leader Senator Antonio Trillanes earlier told reporters. "For your sake, because we will not live with our conscience if some of you get hurt or get killed in the crossfire. We cannot afford that."

Clerics are useless. They should have gotten wizards.

Wizards, you say? You are mad, sir. Clearly, a level 15 paladin is needed here.

re: #21 coquimbojoe

Now will the Dems go on Fox? They are lame, if they can't handle Fox, how in the hell are they gonna handle, say, Vanuatu, Lichtenstein, San Marino or Andorra?

No. They can't handle any degree of difficulty. They'll whine, grumble, and ultimately will find a reason not to go on Fox (like the writer's strike). Unlike the republicans, the dems can't deal with opposition. Proof that the Republicans make better leaders.

re: #25 Ward Cleaver

Lincoln and Douglas are spinning in their graves like Iranian centrifuges.

You sure can turn a phrase.

re: #15 Leonidas Hoplite

CNN: The New Botanical Garden!

Why don't they have P. Allen Smith moderate?

The Left...

Duplicity, Mendacity, Hypocrisy...

all variations of the same theme...

in spades.

Anyone notice the resemblance between General Kerr and Major Kong on Dr. Strangelove? It pains me to think of the scene where Major Kong rode to the bomb to the ground!

re: #28 xtraBilly

re: #25 Ward Cleaver

Lincoln and Douglas are spinning in their graves like Iranian centrifuges.

You sure can turn a phrase.

I can't take credit for that; I stole it from Charles.

We are the United States of America. The greatest and most powerful nation on Earth.

We pick our leaders by who can deliver the best line, preferably comedic, in the political equivalence of speed dating.

And we wonder why most of our leaders turn out to be incompetent or assholes or both.

Potted?

So lets recap,,,
During the Dem debate, there was at least one PLANT from the Hillary camp that Shrillery says she knew nothing about

During last nights Repub debate there was at least one PLANT from the Hillary camp that Shrillery will say she knew nothing about

So the question is, either she DID know, and is a LIAR, or she DIDN't know, therefore incompetent of running a lunch counter, let alone a country!

Actually, I thought the questions and debate were tolerably well managed, but the plants show the inherent bias. Here's a wild idea for a debate - let the CANDIDATES submit the questions!

And by the way, I don't want to hear anything from any "undecided" voters, who are probably terminally stupid and uninformed. Like Rush says about "moderates". If this is a show to help people decide, let's show them what that looks like!

re: #29 Ward Cleaver

re: #15 Leonidas Hoplite

CNN: The New Botanical Garden!

Why don't they have P. Allen Smith moderate?

Indeed! It would certainly be more useful!

re: #21 coquimbojoe

Now will the Dems go on Fox? They are lame, if they can't handle Fox, how in the hell are they gonna handle, say, Vanuatu, Lichtenstein, San Marino or Andorra?

The republicans aught to pound that point all day and all night!

um this is no shock, people on LGF including Charles said that this would happen if the Repubs ever went on CNN for a debate

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

If the GOP is stupid enough to ever appear on CNN or MessNBC again, they deserve no mercy.

I say show no mercy to any of them, get them to answer all questions, just let us know who the questioner is and what is their agenda. Fox is successful be cause we know where the commentators are coming from.

On the 'GOP is stupid enough' front, yes, yes they are...

re: #16 JamesTKirk

Clerics are useless. They should have gotten wizards.

I think a Voodoo priestess with a snake would have done the trick.

re: #31 kentuckyjoe

Anyone notice the resemblance between General Kerr and Major Kong on Dr. Strangelove? It pains me to think of the scene where Major Kong rode to the bomb to the ground!

And it would appeal to Kerr, since that H-Bomb could be considered a giant phallic symbol.

/sick, i know

re: #26 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #16 JamesTKirk

re: #10 Ringo the Gringo

The rebel soldiers, a senator, former Vice-President Teofisto Guingona and a few clerics who had occupied the plush icon in the sprawling city of 12 million people surrendered and were arrested.

Clerics are useless. They should have gotten wizards.

Wizards, you say? You are mad, sir. Clearly, a level 15 paladin is needed here.

How could a lawful good paladin take part in an unlawful coup? That's a bigger alignment problem than I'm currently having with my front tires...

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

If the GOP is stupid enough to ever appear on CNN or MessNBC again, they deserve no mercy.

I disagree. It's a hostile world out there. Who better to handle the insanity and negativity of the left than the Republicans? I say let all the Republicans go on the MSM and show them real smarts and real strength. It will also reveal how lame the MSM is to the world.

re: #31 kentuckyjoe

Anyone notice the resemblance between General Kerr and Major Kong on Dr. Strangelove? It pains me to think of the scene where Major Kong rode to the bomb to the ground!

Come on now--Major Kong is/was an authentic American here!

re: #5 Northpaw

I've yet to watch even 1 minute of any of these debates, Dem or Rep. Sounds like I'm not missing much. I'm voting for Rudi anyway.

Then you are glad you missed last night's debate.

re: #2 Endangered in MASS

wouldn't it be easier just to identify the actual conservatives used?

I'll do that for you, here's the list:

#34 Mandy Manners

Do the Dems get any carbon offset credits for all their plants on that debate last night?

re: #27 Golem Akbar

re: #21 coquimbojoe

Now will the Dems go on Fox? They are lame, if they can't handle Fox, how in the hell are they gonna handle, say, Vanuatu, Lichtenstein, San Marino or Andorra?

No. They can't handle any degree of difficulty. They'll whine, grumble, and ultimately will find a reason not to go on Fox (like the writer's strike). Unlike the republicans, the dems can't deal with opposition. Proof that the Republicans make better leaders.

You talk pretty to me... But it seems to me that we have too many Republicans that know what is right and good, but calculate their moves on what spiffy cocktail parties they will get disinvited from if they vote one way or the other...

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Agreed.

Even Ron Paul got into the act.

Yeah, but it's not hypocricy in his case, since he's in favor of legalizing all kinds of plants.

re: #43 JamesTKirk

re: #26 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #16 JamesTKirk

re: #10 Ringo the Gringo

The rebel soldiers, a senator, former Vice-President Teofisto Guingona and a few clerics who had occupied the plush icon in the sprawling city of 12 million people surrendered and were arrested.

Clerics are useless. They should have gotten wizards.

Wizards, you say? You are mad, sir. Clearly, a level 15 paladin is needed here.

How could a lawful good paladin take part in an unlawful coup? That's a bigger alignment problem than I'm currently having with my front tires...

You got me. I didn't take enough time to consider alignment issues. So...Ron Paul!

Meanwhile over at GoV and gcp, the stalkers are clucking their tongues and groaning at the fact that we have a sense of humor.

and people wonder why I call them "Nazicrats"

maybe "Nazicheats" would be better ?

re: #49 coquimbojoe

You talk pretty to me...

Uh oh, he thinks you've got purty lips, boy.

re: #44 Golem Akbar

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

If the GOP is stupid enough to ever appear on CNN or MessNBC again, they deserve no mercy.

I disagree. It's a hostile world out there. Who better to handle the insanity and negativity of the left than the Republicans? I say let all the Republicans go on the MSM and show them real smarts and real strength. It will also reveal how lame the MSM is to the world.

And suffer through such farces over and over again?

Forget it.

These networks should be shunned and all access cut off. I'm tired of this sh*t. They never get even remotely fair treatment to begin with. Let them be their own echo chambers, since nobody is watching them anyway.

re: #31 kentuckyjoe

Kentuckyjoe

Coquimbojoe

Ojoe

Meeting of the Joes...

"Lousy with plants"? Charles they're in a permanent vegetative state.

re: #55 JamesTKirk

re: #49 coquimbojoe

You talk pretty to me...

Uh oh, he thinks you've got purty lips, boy.

Yes. Yes I do have purty lips, So my uncles told me...

re: #5 Northpaw

If for no other reason you should start watching the debates to realize what a joke for a conservative Giuliani is. When other candidates challenge him on conservative issues he can only go back to his record as being tough on crime. That is a bipartisan issue. He is Pro-Choice, pro-civil union, pro-gun control, pro-globalism, pro-illegal immigrant, etc. He isn't even fiscally conservative. Do you really think a fiscal conservative would fight for PUBLIC funding of abortions? It's one thing to lobby for abortion, it's another to ask tax payers to fund it.

Of course it's full of plants! CNN is GREEN, you see, and committed to combat global warming. They needed plants to fight all the released hot air.

re: #47 Oh my I'm awry

As I thought.

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

OT

The alma mater of St. Pancake has a tree problem.

At the center of the disagreement is a Comprehensive Hazard Tree Maintenance Plan that, when delivered to staff in September, called for the removal, topping or pruning in the next five years of about 458 high-risk trees. They were deemed unhealthy and close enough to trails, roads and buildings to potentially topple and threaten people and property.

"If they don't start taking some trees down, somebody is going to get hurt," said Michael Moore of Moore Trees & Co. of Olympia, one of the consultants and someone who has done emergency tree work at Evergreen since 1987.

John Dodge
The Olympian

Preview of the next debate

re: #60 Common Sense

When other candidates challenge him on conservative issues he can only go back to his record as being tough on crime. That is a bipartisan issue.

Maybe it was a few decades ago, but not recently.

re: #49 coquimbojoe

re: #27 Golem Akbar

re: #21 coquimbojoe

Now will the Dems go on Fox? They are lame, if they can't handle Fox, how in the hell are they gonna handle, say, Vanuatu, Lichtenstein, San Marino or Andorra?

No. They can't handle any degree of difficulty. They'll whine, grumble, and ultimately will find a reason not to go on Fox (like the writer's strike). Unlike the republicans, the dems can't deal with opposition. Proof that the Republicans make better leaders.

You talk pretty to me... But it seems to me that we have too many Republicans that know what is right and good, but calculate their moves on what spiffy cocktail parties they will get disinvited from if they vote one way or the other...

I'm saying that the Republicans are tougher than the left/dems. I like all the candidates and disagree with most of them on varying topics. Yet, they are all capable, smart, and each would make excellent presidents. I could trust any of them (not RP) to make informed decisions as president. I could not say that about any of the dems.

None of the republicans are 100%, in my book. There are no saints running for office. And that's a relief.

I am no Paulian, but really ... there is nothing close to proof that the questioner was a Paulian Plant. I suspect everyone that asked a question is leaning toward one candidate or another. The Rudians, the McCainers, the Romneyites, etc. If you are Paulaphobic, you'll see Paulians behind every tree, and freak at the sound of his name. If this describes you, I suggest you seek professional help - the guy won't win!The questioner admitted Ron Paul is "his top choice for president." Does that make him a plant?

re: #57 coquimbojoe

"Joe" has fallen into disuse, but not here.

I brought it up, so I might as well fix it.

About the debate: okay boys and girls, this is dirty combat, toe to toe with the Dhimocrats.

The thing is, a series of questions with 30 seconds to answer does not a debate make.

There are no debates...there are only Q&A moments and audience members with an agenda.

I say, get them all toether one day, and have an all day debate, like high school's do with their debate teams. Let them defend and attack, quote facts and counter each other with their opinions, ideals and ...wait...

the dems( and some repubs) would never go for that...too much exposure. Too many chances to show your true colors. Ah well. I can dream can't I?

re: #64 chinesearithmetic

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...
Brittany Spears running a driving school.

You can just look at that 1st girl(plant) "Journey" and tell she is a bleeding heart lib. Probably drives around in a broken down Volvo in need of a wax job with "War Is Not The Answer"..."Coexist"...etc...bumper stickers pasted all over her car.

And what about the Muslim girl that was giving the candidates a lecture. I'm sure she was one of those "undecided" (wink wink) voters out there.

Were there any actual conservative at that debate, or did CNN bus in a bunch of Edwards hacks from one of his town hall meetings?

And the democrats are scared to go on Fox because they are partisan!

SPIT!

I wonder what would happen if FNC had done the same debate with the parties reversed?

re: #34 MandyManners

Potted?

No, just Pot. All of the CNN'ers must be stoned.

re: #56 JammieWearingFool

These networks should be shunned and all access cut off. I'm tired of this sh*t. They never get even remotely fair treatment to begin with. Let them be their own echo chambers, since nobody is watching them anyway.

Yes! I'm not alone anymore!

I can't stand the networks- any of them. Just wait for the day it dawns on you that fox is actually no better. I get all my news online. I got LGF, and JWF and others. I don't need the msm- they need me.

re: #66 Ojoe

Preview of the next debate

If Groucho ever moderated the next the debate, I would pay to go! And that is even considering the fact he is dead.

this is hilarious

Clinton News Network on the job, trying hard to get Democrats elected

re: #67 JamesTKirk

Why is it now partisan?

re: #73 xtraBilly

re: #64 chinesearithmetic

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...
Brittany Spears running a driving school.

Or giving seminars on parenting.

/ouch

re: #77 Sharmuta

re: #56 JammieWearingFool

These networks should be shunned and all access cut off. I'm tired of this sh*t. They never get even remotely fair treatment to begin with. Let them be their own echo chambers, since nobody is watching them anyway.

Yes! I'm not alone anymore!

I can't stand the networks- any of them. Just wait for the day it dawns on you that fox is actually no better. I get all my news online. I got LGF, and JWF and others. I don't need the msm- they need me.

There you go.

Next debate, Charles and JWF can ask the questions.

:D

Seriously, my questions would be much more pertinent. And LGFers could submit some in advance!

re: #75 bill-tb

I wonder what would happen if FNC had done the same debate with the parties reversed?

Harry Reid and others would write a letter...

#57 Coquimbojoe

This installment of comments brought to you by the Joe Show. :)

re: #68 Golem Akbar

Totally agree. But Romney is a Latter Day Saint...

/So am I, please be kind...;)

re: #78 Nevergiveup

Ha! Dead would work, wouldn't it ? The candidates would have to debate each other. It wouldn't smell worse either.

General Kerr reminded me of one of my favorite "Fabulous Furry Freak Bros." strips.
Fat Freddy gets his draft notice and goes to report for his physical, confident he will be rejected. Of course, they approve him immediately.
"But I have flat feet and a bad back!"
"You made it up the stairs, didn't you? You're in."

Fat Freddy tries a different approach.
"I forgot to tell you. I'm gay."

"That's OK," says the officer. "We'll assign you to General Gaylord's Gay Battalion."

...and there is Gen. Gaylord, standing with a riding crop.
He tells Freddy: "We're very disciplined."

Freddy climbs out the window.

re: #78 Nevergiveup

re: #66 Ojoe

Preview of the next debate

If Groucho ever moderated the next the debate, I would pay to go! And that is even considering the fact he is dead.

We could reanimate him.

/we have the technology

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

And then Rush Limbaugh would masterfully turn it into millions of $'s for the troops. :)

re: #60 Common Sense

re: #5 Northpaw

If for no other reason you should start watching the debates to realize what a joke for a conservative Giuliani is. When other candidates challenge him on conservative issues he can only go back to his record as being tough on crime. That is a bipartisan issue. He is Pro-Choice, pro-civil union, pro-gun control, pro-globalism, pro-illegal immigrant, etc. He isn't even fiscally conservative. Do you really think a fiscal conservative would fight for PUBLIC funding of abortions? It's one thing to lobby for abortion, it's another to ask tax payers to fund it.

That's not what I got from Rudy. He's none of those things. Listen to him carefully. His private views are closer to yours than you think. Publicly he's got to work within the law. And if there is a conservative Congress, he'll do the right thing. If Rudy is president, our job will be to elect local leaders who will work on the local level to enact good laws, and rescind bad ones. Rudy will appoint "strict-constructionist" judges. That is really what we need.

re: #84 kentuckyjoe

re: #85 coquimbojoe

re: #86 Ojoe

See, if we work as a team, all the threads are belong to us (Joes, that is)

re: #87 Darwin Akbar

General Kerr reminded me of one of my favorite "Fabulous Furry Freak Bros." strips.
Fat Freddy gets his draft notice and goes to report for his physical, confident he will be rejected. Of course, they approve him immediately.
"But I have flat feet and a bad back!"
"You made it up the stairs, didn't you? You're in."

Fat Freddy tries a different approach.
"I forgot to tell you. I'm gay."

"That's OK," says the officer. "We'll assign you to General Gaylord's Gay Battalion."

...and there is Gen. Gaylord, standing with a riding crop.
He tells Freddy: "We're very disciplined."

Freddy climbs out the window.

LOL!

re: #80 Common Sense

re: #67 JamesTKirk

Why is it now partisan?

Because although some dems might occasionally talk about being tough on crime, purely for triangulation purposes, the closest they come to walking the walk is "midnight basketball".

Well... No thanks to you Charles, MM's site is a tad bit under the weather at the moment. I would imagine thousands of lizards are flickin' their tongues at it as we speak...

Planted vegetables.

re: #91 coquimbojoe

Yes, but I have to get some work done.

re: #17 Iron Fist

re: #12 loppyd,

Let's hope that can't win with cheating, 'cause we know they're going to cheat.

It hasn't worked for them in the past so that's something positive.

I just posted a comment on CNN, but doubt it will make the cut. :~)

re: #89 Common Sense

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

And then Rush Limbaugh would masterfully turn it into millions of $'s for the troops. :)

You bet!

re: #16 JamesTKirk

re: #10 Ringo the Gringo

Clerics are useless. They should have gotten wizards.

Geek!

re: #82 JammieWearingFool

I was thinking there should be an LGF debate. We'd have real questions for the candidates, and ron paul- we could say "maybe your invitation was lost in the mail". Or better yet- Charles could use the delete code, and ron paul would still think his answer was posted. Heehee.

re: #91 coquimbojoe

re: #84 kentuckyjoe

re: #85 coquimbojoe

re: #86 Ojoe

See, if we work as a team, all the threads are belong to us (Joes, that is)

Say it ain's so Joe say it ain't so!

re: #99 Lucius Septimius

Geek!

Was there ever any question, given my username?

A truly representative audience of undecideds probably wouldn't be able to name 3/4 of the candidates. They'd be asking questions like; " You were married to that cigar guy right?" and " What the Hell kind of a name is Mitt?"

re: #101 Nevergiveup

I'm off to work now, so the possibility has decreased 33%

re: #97 loppyd

Did you praise them for their even handed selection of questions?

These 'debates' both GOP and Dem. have been a total sham since day one. With months to go before the nominating conventions and states vying for primary importance, the '08 election may itself be a sham. Illegals and felons voting, broken machines, hanging chads, etc, etc.

'My country 'tis of screwballs! Should Hillary become the next prez
the prat fall will be complete.

God help us and I pray that reverently.

re: #73 xtraBilly

re: #64 chinesearithmetic

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...
Brittany Spears running a driving school.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ,,,
Bill Clinton running a sex abstinance program

re: #96 Ojoe

I am 'working'...

Hey tfk, did you see the DMN article yesterday saying that the number of illegal aliens coming in is dropping, because they don't think it's worth the legal hassle?

Sounds like some propaganda to get people to say, "So why are we spending money on a fence?"

/just build the damn thing

To me the best next president would be every one who is willing to stay the course in Iraq as long as necessary, even if it would take to stay there for the next fifty years.

The stakes overthere are extremely high: leaving Iraq prematurily would mean giving it away not only to Al Qaida but also to Iran who if they are able to grab Iraqi oilwells could grow to a very dangerous regional superpower, even apart from nuclear weapons.
The same goes for Afghanistan but that war is less controversial.

By the way: general Petraeus is doing a very good job at the moment with declining violence in Baghdad en Anbar, although it seems a lot of terrorists are fleeing to Mosul, now that other terrorist hide outs like Ramadi and Fallujah are more or less under control (with help from local tribes).
Mosul is in dire need of a surge of american and Iraqi forces combined.

But all 'n all general Petraeus is one of america's best generals in the last 50 years. He deserves more support.

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?

So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

re: #105 Endangered in MASS

re: #97 loppyd

Did you praise them for their even handed selection of questions?

Moi? I simply asked what sort of vetting process they had in place that would allow a member of the Clinton steering committee, TWO Edwards supporters and an Obama supporter to make the cut. That's all...

# 92 Ward Cleaver...

My pleasure...loved the FFF in days gone by...back when hippies could be funny, not pathetic or College Know It All Hippies like today...so far, am refusing to sell the one or two I have left on e-bay.

re: #90 Golem Akbar

I hope your right. Honestly there is something inside of me that likes the guy, but taking him at face value it scares me. I don't care so much about the civil-union issue, but I do want a president who is a true conservative. I spent over 2 months working full time for the Bush campaign and I feel he has failed as a true conservative. He got the constructionist judge part right, but he has drastically increased non-military spending. I want the next president to have the whole package. I'm not sure if any of the candidates match up, I believe Rudy outwardly rejects most of the conservative principles I believe in, and is merely offering the constructionist judge promise to compensate for the rest of his shortcomings.

Coquimbojoe, I'm at "work" too, but we still have 66%

Strangelove quote: "Stay on the bomb run Boys, I'm gonna get them doors open if it hairlips everybody on Bear Creek!"

re: #112 yitzy

I agree with you, however the overiding isssue is that the debate forum, in this case CNN, should have at least a trace of impartiality. It was obvious from my brief look mins last night that the questions picked were an attempt to corner the Repubs into making inflammatory statemenst that will be used against whoever the nominee is in the general election

re: #112 yitzy

So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

CNN not only had Dem plants at the Republican debate, but also friendly Dem plants at the Democrat debate...

Plants at a CNN debate? What do you expect with all that bullshit spread around?

re: #85 coquimbojoe

re: #68 Golem Akbar

Totally agree. But Romney is a Latter Day Saint...

/So am I, please be kind...;)

I like Mitt. He'd make a great president.

Hillary throws a hissy fit if she is asked a tough question or one that is not on the "approved list", but republicans have to answer questions from people planted in the audience who are declred voters from the Democratic side of the aisle...double standard, you bet.

I am not saying that those who are democrats shoulnt get to ask questions...however, that is for the general election, not our in house primary.

re: #117 sattv4u2

re: #112 yitzy

I agree with you, however the overiding isssue is that the debate
forum, in this case CNN, should have at least a trace of impartiality.
It was obvious from my brief look mins last night that the questions
picked were an attempt to corner the Repubs into making inflammatory
statemenst that will be used against whoever the nominee is in the
general election

Exactly!

re: #104 Ojoe

re: #101 Nevergiveup

I'm off to work now, so the possibility has decreased 33%

A reference to shoeless joe jackson

Don't these people realize that in the age of the Inter-tubes, no one can publicly harbor a hidden agenda anymore?

Sheesh...

- iirightii

The real threshold issue is what now passes for "debate."

Watch the tapes of Nixon/JFK. An audience of people in shirts and ties. Two actually smart peole...real substantive questions...both candidates trying to demonstrate which one will be toughest on communism.

Now, except for FNC, the entire system is designed to embarrass conservatives or give Democrats the chance to pander to every interest group in the world.

NBC had Huntley/Brinkley. Now we have Olberman and Blitzer.
It's disgusting.

...but thanks to the Internet, CNN's plant life and Bill Clinton's lies can be exposed in minutes.

No wonder the UN and the Democrats want to regulate the Internet.

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

re: #78 Nevergiveup

re: #66 Ojoe

Preview of the next debate

If Groucho ever moderated the next the debate, I would pay to go! And that is even considering the fact he is dead.

We could reanimate him.

/we have the technology

"W-C" -

Don't have to re-animate - If its "Groucho-Like" you want - Just get Mark Levin to moderate. It would truly be fun to watch.

-S-

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?

So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

I think you are a Nazicrat plant.
No sane person would make such a comment about such a big example of the shame of the left and dismiss it so offhandledly.Back to KOS with you.

I knew they were burying Duncan hunter. Nice to see it stated.

Thompson si nto bad. he is very intellectual, has a good sense of humor. Too bad the American public in 2007 2008 appears to want an entertainer instead of a serious man for the presidency. I can imagine the man on the street not havng the attention span to listen to a reasoned answer of Thompson's.

At least Thompson is complaining. Hunter isn't.

Too bad the GOP is as usual stupid.

re: #74 lubbski

You can just look at that 1st girl(plant) "Journey" and tell she is a bleeding heart lib. Probably drives around in a broken down Volvo in need of a wax job

Are you saying the Volvo needs a wax job, or that "Journey" needs one? Personally, I suspect both do.

Charles... I hate to be a pest, but this photograph included in the Gateway Pundit piece you link to... it looks photoshopped if you ask me...

If it is, that should be acknowledged at the site... can you apply your photo phake detection skills to it?

You mean CNN has a pro-Democrat agenda?

#126 Dr. Shalit

My sentiments exactly. Where are the adults?

re: #60 Common Sense

re: #5 Northpaw

If for no other reason you should start watching the debates to realize what a joke for a conservative Giuliani is. When other candidates challenge him on conservative issues he can only go back to his record as being tough on crime. That is a bipartisan issue. He is Pro-Choice, pro-civil union, pro-gun control, pro-globalism, pro-illegal immigrant, etc. He isn't even fiscally conservative. Do you really think a fiscal conservative would fight for PUBLIC funding of abortions? It's one thing to lobby for abortion, it's another to ask tax payers to fund it.

Also, his declaration that he would appoint conservative judges doesn't really sound logical, all things considered. And the gun thing. His reply last night was NOT what a conservative patriotic American would say. Sorry, it just wasn't. Fred's reply was a little lame too...he could have said " I own a rifle and a shotgun" and got more points with me - even though I don't think his answer was bad...the more i think about it the more i wish he would be more direct.

Two weeks ago Edwards and Obama endured a CliNtoN staged informercial featuring Hillary(D) plants as post-MassDerbate "analysts" as well as Hillary campaigners planted as "undecided voters", per Doug Ross' roundup

A Democratic Party bigwig
An antiwar activist
A Union official
An Islamic leader
A Harry Reid staffer
A radical Chicano separatist

In other words... a representative sample of the (D)emocrat party.

Edwards and Obama remained tight-lipped because if they win the nomination over Hillary(D) these will be their partisan activist liars.

Last Night we endured jeering Ron Paulestinians in the audience and demonization of (R)epublicans by Youtube questioners portraying the party as the worst stereotypes of rural America posing questions crafted by (D)emocrat party activists up to, and including, a top Kerry campaigner, and current a member of Hillary Clinton's Gay Steering Committee, who was offered a soap-box by CNN to lecture and demand the (R)epublicans answer for a Clinton administration policy regarding Gays in the military.

Somebody should look Anderson Cooper right in the eye and say "I'm not asking and you don't have to tell"...

CliNtoN is not a news organization, they are an extension of the Hillary Clinton(D) campaign.

re: #127 Adrenalyn

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?

So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

I think you are a Nazicrat plant.
No sane person would make such a comment about such a big example of the shame of the left and dismiss it so offhandledly.Back to KOS with you.

So CNN got caught planting questions a second time to make Dems look good and Repubs look bad and you ask what the big deal is?

Um So you don't think its a big deal that CNN is openly trying to subvert the Democratic process and is openly and in plain view spreading propoganda?

CNN PLANTS how about a fica tree?

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...

Brittany Spears running a driving school.
Or giving seminars on parenting.

Courtney Love running a drug rehab center
The Clenis running a sexual addiction clinic
on and on...

I originally thought CNN was duped and was willing to just plead incompetence. But now, - gag - Houston we have a problem.

re: #90 Golem Akbar

re: #60 Common Sense

re: #5 Northpaw

If for no other reason you should start watching the debates to realize what a joke for a conservative Giuliani is. When other candidates challenge him on conservative issues he can only go back to his record as being tough on crime. That is a bipartisan issue. He is Pro-Choice, pro-civil union, pro-gun control, pro-globalism, pro-illegal immigrant, etc. He isn't even fiscally conservative. Do you really think a fiscal conservative would fight for PUBLIC funding of abortions? It's one thing to lobby for abortion, it's another to ask tax payers to fund it.

That's not what I got from Rudy. He's none of those things. Listen to him carefully. His private views are closer to yours than you think. Publicly he's got to work within the law. And if there is a conservative Congress, he'll do the right thing. If Rudy is president, our job will be to elect local leaders who will work on the local level to enact good laws, and rescind bad ones. Rudy will appoint "strict-constructionist" judges. That is really what we need.

he's all of those things. You can listen to him all you want. his record is what speaks loudest.

speaking of which , I always thought Bush would do the right thing too.

fool me once...

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?

So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

The fake accent, and other dumb crap Hillary does, is called PANDERING! Next stoopid question.

What bothers me most is passing off people as 'undecided' voters who are trying to ask a legitimate question but they are really strong Dem supporters/advocates/donors... Takes the legitimacy out of the Democratic process, makes a sham of debates and undermines the electoral process...

Oil prices came down, The stock market was celebrating and within 24 hours the pipeline form Canada... something happens to it... Does anyone else think this is suspicious and that we might not be getting the whole story?

re: #136 pegcity

re: #127 Adrenalyn

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?
So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

I think you are a Nazicrat plant.
No sane person would make such a comment about such a big example of the shame of the left and dismiss it so offhandledly.Back to KOS with you.

So CNN got caught planting questions a second time to make Dems look good and Repubs look bad and you ask what the big deal is?

Um So you don't think its a big deal that CNN is openly trying to subvert the Democratic process and is openly and in plain view spreading propoganda?

Like I said before...leftist socialists don't care about the truth, or right and wrong. They don't even believe in it - any of it.

Everything is subjective.

The big deal is that some folks still care about being intellectually and morally honest and some don't...like you little Moby. Like you.

"Compassionate conservatism" means liberal-leaning Republican. It means, "I want the Dems to like me and the entitlement crowd to vote for me and the media to say nice things about me." Anyone who looked carefully at our current President with a truly conservative eye knew this from the beginning. As usual, someone that the political establishment thought was 'electable' was shoved down our throats through manipulation and funding, and we were given the 'better than the other side' choice at the voting booth.

We'll probably get the same crappy choice this time.

re: #143 GreenSoccer

Oil prices came down, The stock market was celebrating and within 24 hours the pipeline form Canada... something happens to it... Does anyone else think this is suspicious and that we might not be getting the whole story?

We never get the whole story...

re: #102 JamesTKirk

re: #99 Lucius Septimius

Geek!

Was there ever any question, given my username?

No. There. Wasn't.

re: #73 xtraBilly

re: #64 chinesearithmetic

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...
Brittany Spears running a driving school.

Knickers optional?

The Dems have plants for their debates and the Republican debates. They throw softball questions at themselves and curveballs at the Republicans. These tactics will only empower the Republicans.

re: #73 xtraBilly

re: #64 chinesearithmetic

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...
Brittany Spears running a driving school.

...is like Hillary Clinton running the country.
Top that! ;)

re: #148 Lucius Septimius

re: #73 xtraBilly

re: #64 chinesearithmetic

Anderson Cooper running a Republican debate is like Michael Vick running the ASPCA.

Anderson Cooper running a debate is like ...
Brittany Spears running a driving school.

Knickers optional?

Wait ,, what does New Yorks basketball team have to do with this?

Oh ,, wait ,,, you typed KnickERS,,, not KnickerBochers ,,, nevahmind !

emily littella

For some reason, I can't seem to reply to or quote posts so I'll try a straight post:

Some of the Lizards made a great point: that the focus should be on CNN (Clinton New Network...ha-ha!) and their double (quadruple?) standards.

From what I read on the blog (Malkin - I'm a big fan - and others) the focus seemed to be "outing" the questioners, i.e "I'm really a Gay General for Cliton" (typo intentional) or "Look at me, I own an Edwards T-Shirt".

If we keep the focus on CNN, then I agree wholeheartedly. My point is that the political affiliations of the questioners is not a big deal.

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?

So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

The big deal is msm duplicity and disingenuousness.

And I'm with Owl- I smell moby.

re: #153 Sharmuta

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?

So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

The big deal is msm duplicity and disingenuousness.

And I'm with Owl- I smell moby.

I too smell MOBY and sent Stinky a note.

re: #154 Adrenalyn

re: #153 Sharmuta

re: #112 yitzy

I am a Loyal Lizard, but what's the big whoop here?So what if someone asked a candidate tough questions? (I should add that I did NOT watch the debate...no TV...Thank G-d) Eventually, everyone has to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't like, or support, you. So, CNN let a Dem supporter ask a questions, what's the big deal?

I just generally object even when the Rebuplicans make a mountain out of a mole hill (ala Hil's fake Southern accent).

Let's discuss.

The big deal is msm duplicity and disingenuousness.And I'm with Owl- I smell moby.

I too smell MOBY and sent Stinky a note.

A Moby Fry?! I'll bring the tarter sauce!

re: #153 Sharmuta

What part of "I'm a Loyal Lizard" DON'T you understand? B-)

I think it acutally hurts the conservative position, which is what I DON'T want, when Rush, Sean, and Mike tee off on what I think is a non-issue (i.e. the questioners) and not the real problem (i.e. CNN).

Charles: Would maxing the security level on my IE cause problems with quoting and replying? I dropped it back down to "Med High" and things seemed to return to normal. Just wondering.

limbaugh: only true conservative at debate -

Fred Thompson

re: #152 yitzy

My point is that the political affiliations of the questioners is not a big deal.

I agree with one caveat, which I feel is the most important. Full disclosure! If you misrepresent yourself, or appear to do so, then it makes a difference. (ala Hil's fake Southern accent)
Top

...and Lucius, Adrenalyn, and Sharmuta:

You're behaving like Kos Kidz. >B-P

Golem Akbar 11/29/07 8:42:01 am

Listen to him carefully. His private views are closer to yours than you think. Publicly he's got to work within the law.

You're making it sound like his private views are unlawful. What the hell are you talking about?

re: #158 1SG(ret)

re: #152 yitzy

My point is that the political affiliations of the questioners is not a big deal.

I agree with one caveat, which I feel is the most important. Full disclosure! If you misrepresent yourself, or appear to do so, then it makes a difference. (ala Hil's fake Southern accent)
Top

Yep. I agree.

Upon reflection, this may have been averted if my question were read "What's the big deal", as in "something's wrong, but what precisely?" That would have pointed us to CNN.

It think it was read by some as "What's the big deal?", as in "nothing to see here, move along", which was not my intention at all.

re: #33 opinionated

We are the United States of America. The greatest and most powerful nation on Earth.

We pick our leaders by who can deliver the best line, preferably comedic, in the political equivalence of speed dating.

And we wonder why most of our leaders turn out to be incompetent or assholes or both.

Yet, we have Fred Thompson, a man of knowledge and substance who has set out SPECIFIC policies and who could do right by true conservatives, but because he isn't "properly packaged" people don't think he can win the nomination. Well, that and the media telling us he can't cause they want liberal Guliani to be the prez.

re: #162 ergo sum

Wow!...such insight ERGO ! I agree 100%

Fred Thompson is the most overlooked candidate simply because he is not packaged for the media, as are the rest...His laid back style reminds me of R.R.

Ron Paul supporter admits trying to sabotage leading republicans.

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TheHoustonKid (14 hours ago)

this was actually one of my mor eunimportant issues. THe real intintion of this was to get a major candidate to attack me or blow me off and therefore hurting their southern base

CNN knew this guy was a Ron Paul supporter, yet they asked Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson what they thought of his flag.

How would CNN know that he was a Ron Paul supporter?
Because he says so on his homepage.
RON PAUL 4 PRESIDENT
%u25CF%u25CFLiberty & Freedom%u25CF%u25CF
R[EVOL]UTION has begun... are you ready?

What did CNN know, and when did they know it?

It's not called the Clinton News Network for nothing.

re: #159 yitzy

are your ears ringing or something ?
because - you've been called
face it,
get over it,
go back to KOS

Rush just reported that Kerr was a guest on CNN 4 years ago...

re: #156 yitzy

What part of "I'm a Loyal Lizard" DON'T you understand?

LOL! Like your typed in words are true just because you typed them- lol. Sorry- I've seen mobys, I've read up on entryism. You don't fool me.

Surprised no one's caught on yet--Ron Paul is there for comic relief, the OTHERS are the actual candidates

re: #162 ergo sum

re: #164 BODYGUARDEAGLE

I looked at fred- and passed. He's not the raging conservative you'd all like him to be. He sold out the House Managers, and has Spencer Abraham on his team. That's all I need to know. You want a real conservative? Look at Duncan Hunter.

At the Democratic CNN debate, there were Democratic plants asking questions. At the Republican CNN debate there were Democratic plants asking questions.

Evidently there is a limited source of questioners ... CNN only knows Democrats to use for asking questions. They must have a short Rolodex, err make that BlackBerry's. :-)

Why is it that the Democrat Party has no trouble boycotting debates on Fox News, the highest rated cable news station in the country by a wide margin, but the spineless Republicans drag their pathetic asses to a Communist News Network debate, and have the nerve to be surprised about any of this? Where's the Republican willing to boycot CNN and willing to speak out about what CNN's agenda really is? Hell, where is the Republican candidate willing to point out how irrelevant CNN has become? Crickets. Fucking crickets is what we hear.

Even when the Republicans were firmly in charge of all three branches of government, their primary way of dealing with their Democrat opponents was to roll over and play nice doggy. Even when they win, they behave like subservient abused housewives. Speaking as a Republican, I don't think my party deserves to win anything until their collective testicles drop. What happened last night was a travesty, and there's no excuse for it.

re: #165 freedomplow

There is no problem with the kid asking his question, that's not the issue.

The appalling thing is the blatant dishonesty from CNN.

re: #173 Lizard by the Bay

I agree.

Bush should resign and let someone else try running the place.
He sets the bad example of woosiness that the other Republicans follow.

I just hope the SCOTUS rules that the 2nd amendment is an individual right before Rudy gets sworn in.

If Hitlery gets sworn in, there will be no need for a SCOTUS or any of the bill of rights as they won't apply to the Nazicrats if they get all both halls of Congress and the Whitey House

re: #60 Common Sense

I am so sick and tired of you "right to lifers" who can't imagine any other reason to cast a vote. Well here's a news flash for you, the REAL CONSERVATIVES are going to take our party back this year. Two decades ago our party was hijacked by a minority of religious zealots. People who didn't give a damn about any other issue. People who have lowered our political dialog to a single, irreconcilable issue and poisoned all of our discourse.

Well we have a man in Rudy who has the balls to tell you just where to stick it. We don't need you to win and we don't want you. Next November just stay home!

re: #164 BODYGUARDEAGLE

Oh come on! Who are you trying to kid here? Reagan was a man of ideas well before he ran for President (even his first run). He was a successful governor of Cal-freaking-fornia for crying out loud! Sorry, but I knew RR. RR was a friend of mine. Fred is no RR (apologies to Loyd Benson).

Fred reminds me of the Lonesome Rhodes character from, "A Face in the Crowd." Sitting on the cracker barrel charming his listeners on the radio with his Southern drawl, and then mocking the rubes when he's off the air. The only thing remarkable about him is how a man of his size could have so little substance!

He's got that right...

Bob Krumm: "Ron Paul is a loon. For a long time I’ve said that instead it’s his supporters who are nuts, while to him, I’ve given the benefit of the doubt. No longer. He is a nut and that’s why he attracts them."

[Link: www.bobkrumm.com...]

re: #177 MJBrutus

re: #164 BODYGUARDEAGLE

Oh come on! Who are you trying to kid here? Reagan was a man of ideas well before he ran for President (even his first run). He was a successful governor of Cal-freaking-fornia for crying out loud! Sorry, but I knew RR. RR was a friend of mine. Fred is no RR (apologies to Loyd Benson).

Fred reminds me of the Lonesome Rhodes character from, "A Face in the Crowd." Sitting on the cracker barrel charming his listeners on the radio with his Southern drawl, and then mocking the rubes when he's off the air. The only thing remarkable about him is how a man of his size could have so little substance!

I'll second that! I've even told my local GOP groups I don't want to receive any more automatic Thompson crap. Thompson can't seem to put energy into anything, even joining the race! These people that try to compare him with Ronny certainly don't know either man very well at all!

Gay General was previous guest on CNN

re: #176 MJBrutus

re: #60 Common Sense

I am so sick and tired of you "right to lifers" who can't imagine any other reason to cast a vote. Well here's a news flash for you, the REAL CONSERVATIVES are going to take our party back this year. Two decades ago our party was hijacked by a minority of religious zealots. People who didn't give a damn about any other issue. People who have lowered our political dialog to a single, irreconcilable issue and poisoned all of our discourse.

Well we have a man in Rudy who has the balls to tell you just where to stick it. We don't need you to win and we don't want you. Next November just stay home!

What, If we don't love Rudi we must be a one issue voter? WRONG! If Rudi gets in, it will be no different than having Bush in office. He will continue to tax and spend us into oblivion. The ONLY difference I see between Rudi and Hillary is HillaryCare. Rudi has not come out with ANY substantial policy statements. He is too busy playing one upmanship with Romney. I have always been an independant conservative and I will vote for Fred Thompson until I have to vote against Hillary. Guess you don't really need a gun to protect yourself when you get invited to all those gay weddings Rudi will be presiding over. Cause Rudi is going to further limit the 2nd amendment and he will not veto pro-gay marriage legislation. He will probably allow the rollback of the Bush taxes and he will not cut back on entitlement programs. Rudi would SUCK as POTUS! I pray that if Fred doesn't get the nod than Huckabee does...course Huck wouldn't be able to beat Hillary.

re: #179 CLLRusso

re: #177 MJBrutus

re: #164 BODYGUARDEAGLE

Oh come on! Who are you trying to kid here? Reagan was a man of ideas well before he ran for President (even his first run). He was a successful governor of Cal-freaking-fornia for crying out loud! Sorry, but I knew RR. RR was a friend of mine. Fred is no RR (apologies to Loyd Benson).

Fred reminds me of the Lonesome Rhodes character from, "A Face in the Crowd." Sitting on the cracker barrel charming his listeners on the radio with his Southern drawl, and then mocking the rubes when he's off the air. The only thing remarkable about him is how a man of his size could have so little substance!

I'll second that! I've even told my local GOP groups I don't want to receive any more automatic Thompson crap. Thompson can't seem to put energy into anything, even joining the race! These people that try to compare him with Ronny certainly don't know either man very well at all!

Fred Thompson is NO Ronald Reagan, but he is a TRUE conservative!

Actually I like Fred's campaigning methods better than Romney's or Giuliani's. R/G basically are blasting each other with meaningless chatter. Not much substance in there oneupmanship.

Fred has much better conservative credentials than R/G and his style is fine with me. We don't need a President who is yelling at everyone.

R/G are both governor/mayor of liberal states/cities, and that does not bode well for either of them in a presidential election.

I had to turn off the "debate" last night. It's now just a bad TV reality show. And why not turn in to a reality TV show? Just have folks text in their votes weekly, and eliminate one candidate each week until we're down to 1.

Is there any point even trying to imagine the outrage if it were Fox News allowing multiple Republican plants to dominate a Democratic primary debate?

re: #176 MJBrutus

Right to life isn't just a moral or religious issue. It's also a legal one. Consider this...
Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that the purpose of government is to protect the rights of the people. Basic among those rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness(notice how life comes first). No one can tell me that there is any real difference between a baby one day before he/she is born and one day after he/she is born. He/she is still a person and a person has legal rights. So doesn't the government have an obligation to protect the basic right to live of that unborn person?

re: #178 Dasher

If Bob Krumm says it, it must be true. I'm sure he's never wrong.

re: #162 ergo sum

Fred isn't catching on quite the way I'd expect him to. I wonder why that is? He has good face and name recognition. His fund raising is top tier. But he isn't threatening in any national or early state primary and caucus polls. Perhaps he waited too long to throw his hat into the ring. Maybe his campaign isn't being run very well.

What do you all think?

re: #184 muckdog

I have to agree with you there. The muckraking and backbiting was nauseating to watch. I suppose this is to be expected with a primary race this close.

re: #44 Golem Akbar

I agree with you there. Some of the candidates may have felt blindsided, but it looked to me like they all handled it well and gave good answers.

The debate was discussed on CNN International's program International Correspondents, a program that discusses the state of journalism in the world. There was no mention of the plants at all. The panel was B Schneider and someone from Huffington Post. CNN is disgusting.