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Update: Blasphemous Teddy Bear Teacher in Sharia Court

Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 9:29:03 am PST

In Sudan, when they say they’ll give you a “swift and fair” trial, they’re at least halfway right. Gillian Gibbons, who allegedly committed the heinous crime of allowing her students to name a teddy bear “Muhammad,” faced a sharia court in Khartoum today: Sudan tries UK teacher on Islam insult.

KHARTOUM, Sudan - A British teacher went on trial Thursday on charges of inciting religious hatred by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad, a crime punishable by up to 40 lashes and six months in jail.

Gillian Gibbons walked in without handcuffs, wearing a dark jacket and blue skirt, according to reporters in the courtroom before media were ordered out of the chamber. Riot police surrounded the courthouse.

Muhammad is a common name among Muslim men, but giving the name of Islam’s founder to an animal would be seen as insulting by many Muslims.

In a statement read to the court, Gibbons explained the incident and emphasized that her 7-year-old students picked the teddy bear’s name, British Embassy spokesman Omar Daair told The Associated Press. ...

Prosecutor-General Salah Eddin Abu Zaid told the AP the British teacher could expect a “swift and fair trial.” If convicted, she faces up to 40 lashes, six months in jail and a fine, with the verdict and any sentence up to the judge’s discretion, official have said.

The judge ordered the prosecution to bring forward the person who originally raised the complaint against Gibbons — an office assistant at the Unity High School, said Isam Abu Hasabu, the head of the school’s parent-teacher association, who was in the courtroom.

Gibbons’ chief lawyer, Kamal Djizouri, scuffled with a tight police cordon before he was allowed in. British diplomats who were initially barred were also eventually allowed to enter. Djizouri said he would argue her case based on Islamic Sharia law and show there was “absolutely no intention to insult religion, and for blasphemy to take place there must be an insult.”

Gibbons was teaching her pupils, who are around age 7, about animals, and asked one of them to bring in her teddy bear, according to Robert Boulos, the director for Unity High School. Gibbons asked the students to pick names for it and they proposed Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad, and in September, the pupils voted to name it Muhammad, he said.

Each child was allowed to take the bear home on weekends and write a diary about what they did with it. The diary entries were collected in a book with the bear’s picture on the cover, labeled, “My Name is Muhammad,” he said. The bear itself was never labeled with the name, he added.

UPDATE at 11/29/07 9:40:03 am:

Quite a few commenters at the BBC web site think the teddy bear teacher deserves her fate.

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1 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:30:27am

Once upon a time, the civilized nations of the world would have gotten rid of these louts.

2 JamesTKirk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:30:47am

What can I say? Islam is un-bear-able.

3 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:31:33am
4 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:31:42am

Shouldn't the kids be whipped also. Realistically, if they're old enough to marry

5 Mohammed T. Bear  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:32:27am

Forgive me while I lash out-
Animals.
A stuffed toy has more sense and soul.

6 JamesTKirk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:33:02am

Just occurred to me...

In a statement read to the court, Gibbons explained the incident and emphasized that her 7-year-old students picked the teddy bear’s name, British Embassy spokesman Omar Daair told The Associated Press.

...I'm surprised that her students aren't also being lined up for stoning.

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:33:03am
Gibbons asked the students to pick names for it and they proposed Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad, and in September, the pupils voted to name it Muhammad, he said.

This teacher is screwed- naming the bear mohammed AND teaching the kids democracy. Pretty hara'am.

8 JamesTKirk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:33:30am

re: #4 Canadian Infidel

Shouldn't the kids be whipped also. Realistically, if they're old enough to marry

They're still two years away from marryin' age.

9 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:33:37am

#4 Canadian Infidel

Shhh, don't put any ideas into their heads.

That might be coming next. . .

10 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:33:56am

re: #2 JamesTKirk

What can I say? Islam is un-bear-able.

LOL!

11 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:34:13am

#6 James T. Kirk

Again, don't give them any ideas. . .

12 Ayatrollah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:34:22am

I am considering naming my new dog Muhammad but I don't want to insult him...my dog I mean.

13 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:34:34am

Trouble's still a bruin.

So what do y'all think the world-wide body count will be by the time this thing is over? That there will be riots is a foregone conclusion.

14 Dave the.....  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:34:38am

The story has reached MSM!

15 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:34:42am
16 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:34:53am
17 bluegrass boy  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:35:00am

isnt that the most ridiculous thing youve ever heard of?

at what point does the world say enough is enough and stop this crap?

18 JamesTKirk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:35:03am

re: #10 MandyManners

re: #2 JamesTKirk
What can I say? Islam is un-bear-able.

LOL!

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week, try the bacon...

19 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:35:16am

My guess is that she will be released as a demonstration of goodwill and her release will be used to show the world that Allah is compassionate and that Islamic law is just.

And the teacher, who is very likely an Islamophile, will probably praise her captors for their kindness.

/...just my guess. We've seen it before.

20 Black George Bush  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:35:18am

Heh, I think it was the bear that was insulted by the ROP. He should sue.

21 JamesTKirk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:36:11am

re: #13 Dead Sea Squirrel

Trouble's still a bruin.

Ouch. You're going to come to a grizzly grisly end with puns like that.

22 Rednek  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:36:23am

OT

A list of everything caused by global warming according to news reports.


Everything is Caused by Global Warming (600+ links)

including Killer Jellyfish!

Everybody Panic!

23 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:36:25am

re: #19 Ringo the Gringo

My guess is that she will be released as a demonstration of goodwill and her release will be used to show the world that Allah is compassionate and that Islamic law is just.

Which would pretty much guarantee protest riots.

24 sloggin420[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:36:29am
25 Rednek  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:37:01am

#2

LOL!

26 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:37:09am

re: #21 JamesTKirk

re: #13 Dead Sea Squirrel

Trouble's still a bruin.

Ouch. You're going to come to a grizzly grisly end with puns like that.

That gives me paws.

27 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:37:29am

re: #8 JamesTKirk

re: #4 Canadian Infidel

Shouldn't the kids be whipped also. Realistically, if they're old enough to marry

They're still two years away from marryin' age.

No, Mo married Aisha when she was 6. Being the gentleman he was, he waited to have sex with her when she was 9.

By 13, he'd derogatively refer to her as 'grandma'.

28 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:37:43am

re: #23 Dead Sea Squirrel

Probably.

29 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:38:19am

Britain is caving on Fatwa Bear.

Britain began a round of delicate diplomacy Thursday as it tried to win the release of a British teacher facing prosecution in Sudan for allowing pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.

Foreign Secretary David Miliband insisted in talks with Sudan's ambassador to London that the case is based on an innocent mistake, emphasizing Britain's respect for Islam.

Miliband told reporters before the meeting he would not threaten to cut aid over the issue. Officials said they believe a gentle approach is most likely to win Gillian Gibbons' freedom.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

30 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:39:10am

re: #9 TalkinKamel

Why crowd up the place, eh? :)

31 CIA Reject  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:39:51am

"The judge ordered the prosecution to bring forward the person who originally raised the complaint against Gibbons — an office assistant at the Unity High School..."

I smell an inter-office vendetta...

32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:40:04am

RELATED:

Teddy bear teacher appears in court as Islamic fanatics demand execution

A powerful Sudanese newspaper urged authorities to call a hardline Islamist leader linked to Osama bin Laden to give evidence at her trial, to stress how offensive the case was to Muslims.

Extreme Islamic groups said Mrs Gibbons "must die" and urged Muslims to hold street protests after prayers tomorrow.

33 debutaunt  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:40:07am

I can we satirize something that is so far beyond ridiculous?

34 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:40:14am

...meanwhile the Sudan gov't is getting ready for the trial...

Sudan Braces For Riots Over 'Muhammad' Bear Trial

35 sloggin420[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:40:18am
36 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:40:27am

I was watching ABC's Good Morning America this morning, and their story tried to spin it as a Sudan thing, not an islam thing. They also kept referring to Sudan as a "conservative" or "ultraconservative" state.

Nice going, ABC.

37 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:40:56am
Gibbons asked the students to pick names for it and they proposed Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad,

I guess Seamus Aloysius was out of the question...

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:41:09am
39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:41:35am

re: #29 jcm

Britain is caving on Fatwa Bear.

Britain began a round of delicate diplomacy Thursday as it tried to win the release of a British teacher facing prosecution in Sudan for allowing pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband insisted in talks with Sudan's ambassador to London that the case is based on an innocent mistake, emphasizing Britain's respect for Islam.

Miliband told reporters before the meeting he would not threaten to cut aid over the issue. Officials said they believe a gentle approach is most likely to win Gillian Gibbons' freedom.


[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

They should be readying a commando team to get her out of there and prepatrng to cut any ties with Sudan until they get their shit together.

40 ming666  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:41:39am

sounds like its almost time for a visit from the boys at the SAS.

41 Terp Mole  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:42:23am

OT: Indoctrination as "education" for Islamophobic wacademia;

Islamophobia can end by education

...Americans need to understand the difference between cultural practices and Islam itself. People like Mr. Horowitz and Mr. Spencer serve to blur this distinction and generate Islamophobia... As a MSA board member, I would like to invite everyone to come learn about Islam from Muslims themselves... you can visit the campus mosque on 21 N. Orchard St. for Friday services that start at 12:30 p.m.

42 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:43:44am

re: #17 bluegrass boy

isnt that the most ridiculous thing youve ever heard of?

Reading lgf for 6 years, I'd have to say there are a whole lot of things that tie for first place.

The arrests and destruction over the offensive humiliating teapotcome to mind.

43 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:44:14am
Each child was allowed to take the bear home on weekends and write a diary about what they did with it. The diary entries were collected in a book with the bear’s picture on the cover, labeled, “My Name is Muhammad,” he said. The bear itself was never labeled with the name, he added

So all the parents were aware of this bear, and I can only assume the children would mention the bears name to their parents.

Muhammad is a common name among Muslim men, but giving the name of Islam’s founder to an animal would be seen as insulting by many Muslims.

So why were none of these parents offended? Not one of these children said "my parents were offended by the bear"? Nope- the bear made it all the way through this class project, and then someone got pissy. That seems pretty disingenuous to me.

44 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:44:16am

Let's also not forget that the Islamists in Sudan (which includes the government) want her put to death.

No doubt that if the sentence is not what they like, whining and seething will be followed by rioting.

45 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:45:16am

re: #29 jcm

Britain is caving on Fatwa Bear.

Britain began a round of delicate diplomacy Thursday as it tried to win the release of a British teacher facing prosecution in Sudan for allowing pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband insisted in talks with Sudan's ambassador to London that the case is based on an innocent mistake, emphasizing Britain's respect for Islam.

Miliband told reporters before the meeting he would not threaten to cut aid over the issue. Officials said they believe a gentle approach is most likely to win Gillian Gibbons' freedom.


[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]


Well, why not? They cave on everything else. Can't even defend their own country for fear of being seen as islamophobic.

Did anyone really think that they'd come to this lady's rescue? I mean really.


I am not afraid and I will not surrender. Ever.

46 RTLM  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:45:21am

My sympathy meter is low for this woman. Why in the hell would a sane person go to Sudan and teach in the first place - especially a woman? Either she's totally ignorant of radical islam or she's simply a moonbat with such delusional good intentions that it clouded her already limited cognitive skills. Probably both.

And the brits are pathetic in their mewling to the Sudan embassy rep in London. Man up Brits and issue a few demands of your own.

47 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:45:57am

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

I was watching ABC's Good Morning America this morning, and their story tried to spin it as a Sudan thing, not an islam thing. They also kept referring to Sudan as a "conservative" or "ultraconservative" state.

Nice going, ABC.

Those darn Republicans!

48 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:46:20am

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Britain should offer Bashir a binary solution set.

Send her home.
Or else.

49 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:47:50am

You say that it is your custom to openly insult religion. Very well. We also have a custom: when men insult our religion, we give them lashes. Insult religion, beside you, my people will oil up our rods. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.

I DON'T CARE.

50 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:49:11am

Mr. Cookie and I are going to rent an ugly dog and make a YouTube video of it licking its rear end, then call it Mohammed.

Poor dog.

51 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:49:21am

re: #46 RTLM

My sympathy meter is low for this woman. Why in the hell would a sane person go to Sudan and teach in the first place - especially a woman? Either she's totally ignorant of radical islam or she's simply a moonbat with such delusional good intentions that it clouded her already limited cognitive skills. Probably both.

And the brits are pathetic in their mewling to the Sudan embassy rep in London. Man up Brits and issue a few demands of your own.

Hannity was saying yesterday that she actually WAS totally ignorant of islam's issues with offending the name of the profit. . . errr. . . prophet. whatever.


In America though, ignorance is no excuse. I don't think she deserves to be punished, but I think she should have been smarter than to go to an islamic country and not know what she was getting into. Living in a cave has it's disadvantages.

52 JamesTKirk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:49:37am

re: #49 Ben Hur

when men insult our religion, we give them lashes. Insult religion, beside you, my people will oil up our rods.

Umm, we didn't ask, please don't tell...

53 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:50:35am

re: #45 Owl

re: #29 jcm

I am not afraid and I will not surrender. Ever.

NO FEAR!
NO SURRENDER!
LIVE FREE!
AND MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE!

Time to bring back the First Naval Jack.

54 Ayatrollah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:51:14am

More shocking then all of this is NOW National Ass. of Women and their stance...that they were not take a position on this situation.

What a useless group.

55 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:52:15am

re: #41 Terp Mole

...Americans need to understand the difference between cultural practices and Islam itself.

They need to figure it out themselves first before they start instructing people.

For example, the veil is RELIGIOUS when they are insisting that they must wear it at all times, even during ID photos, in the bank, or while in court. But it is suddenly CULTURAL when they are insisting non-Muslim women must wear it in their territories.

56 Sizzlack  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:52:42am

Some of the people defending the Sudanese are insane. Their logic is you have to respect their laws and customs and blah blah...of course thats why you dont kill or rob people there if you visit. But a teddy bear...regardless of its name...is a teddy bear, a child's toy. Some fabric and stuffing shaped like a little bear. If people are willing to whip you 40 times because you gave a teddy bear any name...regardless of faith...shows that a good deal of humanity has quite a bit of mental growth to go before they catch up to the rest of us. Pathetic.

57 pegcity  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:52:59am

maybe dumb dhimmis will learn not to go to Sudan

58 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:53:03am

re: #48 jcm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Britain should offer Bashir a binary solution set.

Send her home.
Or else.

Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead.
-Theodore Rosevelt

59 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:55:17am

There's more - Sudanese newspapers are calling for her death, and some want to call a pro-Osama thug to testify as to how the teddy bear insults Islam.

60 Opinionated  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:55:55am

This isn't personal. It's just business.

Usually the punishment for defaming Islam is immediate death, a la Theo van Gogh.

When they say they will put someone on trial, they're asking for ransom.

It will be paid.

61 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:57:05am

re: #53 jcm

re: #45 Owl


re: #29 jcm

I am not afraid and I will not surrender. Ever.


NO FEAR!
NO SURRENDER!
LIVE FREE!
AND MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE!

Time to bring back the First Naval Jack.


My flag at home and my tag on the truck says " Don't Tread On Me ", and I mean it with all my heart. I think that flag could be the new syumbol for the anti-jihad/ pro-liberty movement.

62 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:57:06am

To be honest, I don't think the Brits should defend or try to rescue this fool. She is a free person from a free society who made a choice to go to this truly god-cursed country (as in cursed by the worship of the evil god) and submit to their ways.

She gets what she gets from her own free will.

I will never submit.

63 acacia  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:57:54am

Those BBC website comments were disturbing. It's a good thing that our founding fathers didn't say, "Well I guess we'll just have to accept that tax on tea. After all the law is the law and if we throw tea overboard we deserve whatever punishment comes our way."

64 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:58:27am

re: #54 Ayatrollah

More shocking then all of this is NOW National Ass. of Women and their stance...that they were not take a position on this situation.

What a useless group.

Nags On the Warpath

Worthless organization.

65 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:58:30am

re: #61 Owl

My flag at home and my tag on the truck says " Don't Tread On Me ", and I mean it with all my heart. I think that flag could be the new syumbol for the anti-jihad/ pro-liberty movement.

If they were designing a new flag today, it would say "Tread All Over Me: I Deserve It"

66 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:58:33am

re: #56 Sizzlack

Some of the people defending the Sudanese are insane. Their logic is you have to respect their laws and customs and blah blah...of course thats why you dont kill or rob people there if you visit. But a teddy bear...regardless of its name...is a teddy bear, a child's toy. Some fabric and stuffing shaped like a little bear. If people are willing to whip you 40 times because you gave a teddy bear any name...regardless of faith...shows that a good deal of humanity has quite a bit of mental growth to go before they catch up to the rest of us. Pathetic.

I am one for respect other nations laws, having lived overseas for ten years, my family did just that.

However there are case that are way beyond what any rational nation or individual can comprehend. This is one of those, a sane regime would in a case like this at worst demand an apology from the individual and kick them out of the country.

This is all about Bashir see how hard he can pull Brown's short hairs.

67 kynna  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:58:43am

If this happens to her it will be an absolute travesty. The only good that can possibly come from it is the British people finally deciding enough is enough and kicking their leaders' butts with enough force to send them to another galaxy. But if that butt-kicking doesn't happen then this will signal an increased speed in the downward spiral of British culture.

It's not just over there guys. Once you've allowed it to happen to your citizens anywhere, it's on your doorstep!

68 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:59:22am

re: #62 cookielady

To be honest, I don't think the Brits should defend or try to rescue this fool. She is a free person from a free society who made a choice to go to this truly god-cursed country (as in cursed by the worship of the evil god) and submit to their ways.

She gets what she gets from her own free will.

I will never submit.

And I'm sure, if asked "would you go to Israel?" she would look at you like you were bloody mad.

69 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 9:59:54am

re: #65 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #61 Owl


My flag at home and my tag on the truck says " Don't Tread On Me ", and I mean it with all my heart. I think that flag could be the new syumbol for the anti-jihad/ pro-liberty movement.

If they were designing a new flag today, it would say "Tread All Over Me: I Deserve It"

If libs had anything to do with it, you are right about that. Blame America first...and speaking of that philosophy...


RON PAUL!1!1!1!11!

70 WALT C  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:00:53am
Officials said they believe a gentle approach is most likely to win Gillian Gibbons' freedom.

Then cut off aid. If this is how they want to act, let them get aid from muslim countries.

Tip to those wanting "to help the poor suffering muslims", don't go, they don' t want your help.

If these bleeding heart liberals would just face the truth, that no matter what they do, they will not ease suffering in muslim countries. They will only regret trying to help.
.

71 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:01:00am

re: #67 kynna

If this happens to her it will be an absolute travesty. The only good that can possibly come from it is the British people finally deciding enough is enough and kicking their leaders' butts with enough force to send them to another galaxy. But if that butt-kicking doesn't happen then this will signal an increased speed in the downward spiral of British culture.

It's not just over there guys. Once you've allowed it to happen to your citizens anywhere, it's on your doorstep!

That big BOOM you're hearing is the Britsw breakin' the sound barrier...daily. Or the French. Hard to tell from here.

72 acacia  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:01:20am

re: #62 cookielady

Of course that country is an abomination. But literally taking freedom from a person for nothing is something the free world cannot stand for under any circumstances. Yes she took risks but that doesn't mean we shouldn't support her.

73 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:03:07am

re: #61 Owl

re: #53 jcm

re: #45 Owl


re: #29 jcmI am not afraid and I will not surrender. Ever.


NO FEAR!
NO SURRENDER!
LIVE FREE!
AND MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE!Time to bring back the First Naval Jack.


My flag at home and my tag on the truck says " Don't Tread On Me ", and I mean it with all my heart. I think that flag could be the new syumbol for the anti-jihad/ pro-liberty movement.

Which one?
The Gadsden Flag.
or
The First Naval Jack.

I like the Naval Jack, the stripes make the "who" of the "Don't Tread On Me" unmistakable.

74 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:03:35am

re: #72 acacia

re: #62 cookielady

Of course that country is an abomination. But literally taking freedom from a person for nothing is something the free world cannot stand for under any circumstances. Yes she took risks but that doesn't mean we shouldn't support her.


If she had broken a law like stealing or murder, then ok. But I have to agree - she insulted their religios figure and the whole thing hinges on a stupid stuffed bear. Ignorance got her into this, but justice could get her out. TO hell with Britian, let's go get her ourselves.

Oh wait. I forgot Bush is still in office. nevermind.

75 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:03:46am
76 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:03:47am

OK I am going to give some practical advice here.

It is a BIG PROBLEM that these mullahs of the "Khartoum north prosecution unit" and others like them are NOT AFRAID of us.

IMHO the "Khartoum north prosecution unit" should be given 8 hours in which to retract its judgment upon Ms. Gibbons, and APOLOGIZE, or face complete destruction of buildings and personnel.

The world will be a better place when these jokers are afraid of us & that's the best we will ever be able to do with them.

I believe this sowing of fear is one of the top necessary jobs of all western governments at the moment. Right now, the mullahs have been trying to make us afraid with their terrorism. The tables should be turned.

77 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:04:13am

re: #68 Ben Hur

You are so right! And I would go to the blessed Land in a minute if I had the means, and do anything I could to help them. Did you know that most of the so-called 'Christian' children's aid agencies will not help a Jewish child? You can't sponsor them. Plenty of Arab kids, though. That's why I have nothing to do with them. Fake charity, IMO, just like the ones that purport to help 'Palistinian families' and fund terrorists.

The world has gone completely mad; it's scary, really, and I just try to cowgirl up.

78 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:04:42am

re: #73 jcm


Either one. With the politicians running this Country into the groud, the far left and far right( RON PAUL!111!11!) trying to destroy everything...hell, i'm just fed up.

79 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:05:01am
80 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:06:06am

re: #66 jcm

However there are case that are way beyond what any rational nation or individual can comprehend. This is one of those, a sane regime would in a case like this at worst demand an apology from the individual and kick them out of the country.

I agree with you- this is stinky. The children named this bear. The children all took this bear home. At least one parent should have been offended and you'd think that child would have said something to the teacher. And if the children didn't know any better than to name a toy animal "mohammed" then I suggest this is a case where the parents should also be punished for not teaching their children better manners towards the prophet.

81 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:06:48am

re: #72 acacia

Really? Yet the free world stands for the incarceration, slavery and execution of Christians on a daily basis all over the world, and does nothing, and says nothing.

82 reddevil  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:09:16am

Thats it! I've seen and heard enough, these friggin people are completely out of their minds, have they nothing better to do?
What a bunch of crap! The dark ages still exists and they are living proof of it.

83 mean Gene  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:09:48am

The woman was doomed from the start.
Had she NOT allowed the bear to be named by the children it would have been seen as an infidel pushing her weight around over the poor muslims...again.
She might have gotten a death penalty for that instead.
But what I found interesting was that the islamic sharia courts didn't want to allow her to have legal representation or governmental witnesses either.
Her lawyer had to fight police to even enter the court.
Her UK diplomats had to argue their way in.
Under Sharia do they even go through this many motions for one of their own?
Isn't suspicion alone usually enough for a death sentence?

84 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:10:02am

They are right not to fear the West. Our leaders and the left have done a Yukon Cornelius job on us.

They do not fear us. They do not fear death, they embrace it. They are evil entirely.

85 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:11:42am

re: #72 acacia

re: #62 cookielady

Of course that country is an abomination. But literally taking freedom from a person for nothing is something the free world cannot stand for under any circumstances. Yes she took risks but that doesn't mean we shouldn't support her.

Exactly. I strongly disagree with the strain of "she (half)deserves this" running through some commentary here and elsewhere.

When some mountain climber breaks his leg, we don't begrudge sending over a helicopter to get him, and later he's even fêted as a hero by some. But it was all just for a personal glory trip. Well, here someone is trying to do some good in the world for somebody else, for some children, and taking a risk to do so. Most people who do that kind of thing get in and out okay. This one has not. Taking a risk for the purpose of trying to help people deserves our support, not our scorn.

86 LANMaster  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:11:58am

Many Muslim parents name their child, Mohammad.
Why do they not see this practice as something blasphemous?

Certainly there must be millions of criminals named Muhammad.

What crime is a fuzzy little bear likely to commit?

Stupid, intolerant, Fascist Muslims. :(

87 kentuckyjoe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:12:43am

All in favor of a raid to rescue this woman (and take out a sizable portion of the Sudan), say I.

I!

88 broomer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:14:01am

I agree with the comments that she has no business being in Sudan in the first place. I hope all other foreigners start taking the first plane outta there.

And it is events like this that makes me hard to get stirred up about Darfur.

Britain has no choice but to grovel. They have absolutely no home defense system in case the local muslims start protesting.

89 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:14:34am
90 RTLM  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:14:52am

Fill the teddy bear with a gas canister and BB's. Then you'll have a teddy bear a rad-muslim can love.

91 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:14:55am

Grrr dhimmis all, whip them all. They deserve it for being such dhimmis. As someone said: to punish someone for a crime after it was done with no warning that it was a crime at the time, is retroactive punitive laws.

The person who lodged the complaint should be whipped then fired.

All ex pat schools should do as the Italians did when a mosque was going to be built on a spot where they didn't want it, walk a pig all around and leave the droppings. This story makes me mad as hell.
Countries are tweaking the nose of the Brits and of the US. The Chinese giving their permission for US boats to dock then retracting permission when all the families flew there to meet the navy family members for Thanksgiving is tweaking the nose of the US.

This nonsense is tweaking the nose of the Brits.

Stop all Sudanese visas now! We do not need these kind of people in this country, you fool, Mr. Bush. The same with the UK. This is an official policy, not a criminal act by a criminal. Have the Sudanese diplomats left yet?

What does the Sudanese flag look like? Burn it.

N.O.W. paint your face with mud for being so disgusting.

92 acacia  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:15:53am

re: #81 cookielady

The free world needs to stand up against all the atrocities you recite as well. I'm not saying the free world is up to the task. It falls woefully short. What goes on in China, Thailand and all over the world - not to menion the massacre of African Christians in the Sudan (not just locking up Brits for Teddy Bears) - is sickening. The free world needs to find and empower its moral clarity. That's all I'm saying.

93 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:15:57am

re: #81 cookielady

re: #72 acacia

Really? Yet the free world stands for the incarceration, slavery and execution of Christians on a daily basis all over the world, and does nothing, and says nothing.

you're right. that's part of the problem. but if the civilized world doesn't do something to start crushing these savages who want to ie. kill over a teddy bear we are only going to see the madness increase. the british people need to be marching in the streets to get their citizen out of that cess pool. (that said, knowing she's a complete fool for being there.)

94 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:16:00am

re: #86 LANMaster

I think there's an islamic educational problem going on- the kids think "mohammed" is a name of honor, so they named the bear mohammed. The parents have failed to teach then it's only honorable for humans. This reminds me of the "mohammed cat" comic riots. Ridiculous.

95 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:16:21am

re: #34 NJDhockeyfan

...meanwhile the Sudan gov't is getting ready for the trial...

Sudan Braces For Riots Over 'Muhammad' Bear Trial

Geeze. If they actually riot over this, it will be a new low. Let see...things they have rioted over so far.

1. Cartoon drawings
2. Burger King milkshakes
3. Teddy Bears
4. Piglet

Certainly all of the above were so insulting to Islam, that a follower of the relgion is forced to riot for redress of greivences...*spit*

96 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:18:17am

OK I checked. The Sudanese flag has three stripes black on bottom white in the middle red on top with a green triangle on the left side pointing into the three stripes. The point of the green triangle is in the middle of the middle white stripe. Draw one with crayon and burn it. It has no writing on it.

97 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:18:31am

re: #87 kentuckyjoe

All in favor of a raid to rescue this woman (and take out a sizable portion of the Sudan), say I.

I!


where we meetin' up?

Aye.

98 legion  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:18:57am

#31 CIA reject

So it was an office staffer in the school that sent out the alarm, not the parents. Off with that persons head. The Bishop of the school should at least fire that person. The teacher was recently divorced (hubby left her) and she always wanted to travel and teach. This was a private protected school for expatriots- the website on it showed it to be pretty nice. The kids named the bear after a popular student not the religious nut. Not the woman's fault. She is a pawn. This is also going on because of a Tax dispute the school is having with the government. Follow the Money!
Withdraw from all these wacko countries- they need us more than we need them! Punish them by withdrawing our funds! So simple.

99 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:19:01am

What are the Brits going to do?

Send in Charles "Chinese" Gordon?

That didn't work out to well.

Islam in all it's glory. The extremist's- Execute her. The "Moderates" give her a trial and then flog her!

100 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:19:14am

re: #95 mad_scientist

The Sudan is readying itself? It distributed leaflets all over the city telling people to riot.

101 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:19:43am

re: #87 kentuckyjoe

All in favor of a raid to rescue this woman (and take out a sizable portion of the Sudan), say I.

I!

One air wing on a carrier could take out every thing worth while and still not have enough to go around.

It's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle.

102 mean Gene  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:20:56am

Guilty!
15 days and deportation.
No word on lashes.

103 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:21:32am

re: #72 acacia

re: #62 cookielady

Of course that country is an abomination. But literally taking freedom from a person for nothing is something the free world cannot stand for under any circumstances. Yes she took risks but that doesn't mean we shouldn't support her.

Couldnt help but notice the nic...you a member of the acacia fraternity? I was a memeber at University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown...

104 earthwirm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:22:46am

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Disturbing one here:

I was born in Sudan. I moved to the UK two years ago. The teacher went to Sudan and she should have learnt the laws of that country. Here in England people think that what she did was an innocent mistake, but I don't think that. She was very wrong to make fun of the Prophet Muhammad. Boys are called Muhammad and that's alright because mothers are proud to name their sons after the Prophet. But to name a teddy bear after him is wrong. The teacher should be punished because she has insulted Islam and Muslim people.
Meizu, UK

and I don't know if this is real or sarcasm:


The children voted as well. They should lock them up too, as a lesson to anybody who insults Prophet Muhammad.
K K Djibouto, Sudan
105 Confuzed  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:23:49am

The urologist said Abdul had a urinary tract infection in his Mohammed.
Akil developed a priaprism while taking a Mohammed enhancing drug.
Dude, STFU and stop being such a Mohammed.

Richards (Dicks) of the world take relief, Mohammed is the new organ.

106 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:24:27am

re: #104 earthwirm

The children are in danger here, & nobody's talking about that.

107 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:24:39am

re: #101 jcm

re: #87 kentuckyjoe


All in favor of a raid to rescue this woman (and take out a sizable portion of the Sudan), say I.

I!


One air wing on a carrier could take out every thing worth while and still not have enough to go around.

It's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle.


political correctness

108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:24:41am

re: #87 kentuckyjoe

All in favor of a raid to rescue this woman (and take out a sizable portion of the Sudan), say I.

I!

Aye

109 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:25:14am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aye

110 Sabraguy  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:25:45am
UPDATE at 11/29/07 9:40:03 am:

Quite a few commenters at the BBC web site think the teddy bear teacher deserves her fate.

Fortunately they are a small minority. The vast majority of the posters are outraged. Here are the 3 most recommended comments:

*---
There's an obvious solution to this: strongly advise all British aid workers, teachers, medics and engineers to leave Sudan now. They're not safe. Cancel all aid to Sudan as sending a penny more in Aid to that acursed country merely provides financial support for the loonies behind this action.
Recommended by 595 people
*---
Not OK to call a toy bear Mohammed but OK for the Sudanese government to massacre many thousands of innocent Muslims in Darfur.

Well, I'm glad that's cleared up.
Recommended by 550 people
*---
Does anyone wonder why many fair minded people equate Islam with intolerance and barbarism when they see scenes of Sudanese people chanting death to this teacher for naming a teddy Muhammad.

The worry is, it is not simply an isolated incident and it is not as the BBC likes to say a tiny minority, recent polls suggest that around 20% of worldwide Muslims support hardline Sharia law, that's over 200 million people.

Not a pleasant thought !
Recommended by 504 people

Most ordinary Brits are thoroughly pissed off with this type of Islamic crap. Unfortunately the left-wing establishment elite in the media and the universities have still got their heads up their PC arses.

111 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:26:03am

re: #100 GreenSoccer

re: #95 mad_scientist

The Sudan is readying itself? It distributed leaflets all over the city telling people to riot.

Didnt hear about that story, but, after reading the artcile linked to NJDhockeyfans original post, it seems that some in the governement are trying to downplay the incident...

little snip from story...

Officials in Sudan's Foreign Ministry have tried to play down the case, calling it an isolated incident and initially predicting Gibbons could be released without charge.

112 acacia  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:26:15am

re: #103 mad_scientist

No, not a member of the fraternity - just find peace in the name.

113 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:26:32am
114 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:26:52am

GB owes it to all its citizens worldwide to extract a price for this incident.

115 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:27:00am

re: #102 mean Gene

Guilty!
15 days and deportation.
No word on lashes.

'kay then
15 days of airstrikes.

116 legion  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:27:35am

re: #101 jcm

It's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle.

Reminds me of an Elvis Pressley movie- something to do with a State Fair.
He pays a kid to kick him in the ankles so he can meet a nurse.

117 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:27:53am

re: #103 mad_scientist

re: #72 acacia


re: #62 cookielady

Of course that country is an abomination. But literally taking freedom from a person for nothing is something the free world cannot stand for under any circumstances. Yes she took risks but that doesn't mean we shouldn't support her.


Couldnt help but notice the nic...you a member of the acacia fraternity? I was a memeber at University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown...

WOW...I went to high school across the street...Richland. Class of '81

118 Pope Insouciance IV  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:29:13am

Count me among the hardliners.
Napalm the place until it looks like the surface of the moon. It's about time that the West had a little "overreaction" of their own to make the savages think twice before pulling this crap again.

119 PEACEthruSTRENGTH  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:29:38am

British school teacher Gillian Gibbons has been arrested in Sudan for allowing the 7 year olds in her class in Khartoum to name a teddy bear 'Mohammed' as part of a school project. She is accused of insulting Islam and inciting religious hatred. She faces a jail term and/or flogging in Sudan. Some have even called for her to be put to death.

Forget for the moment that the Sudanese government is presiding over an ongoing genocide in Darfur. As many as 400,000 people have been killed, and millions displaced by Sudanese government supported militias. Forget for the moment that those who are accusing Gillian Gibbons and seeking extreme, even inhuman, punishment for her are the ones who are really insulting religion and inciting religious hatred. From everything I have read she is just a teacher who went to Sudan to help the children of that country.

Sometimes a teddy bear is just a teddy bear. I urge you to tell this to the Sudanese government by doing what I did today: I bought a teddy bear and mailed it to the Sudanese Ambassador to Canada at the Embassy of the Republic of Sudan with a note which simply says: "Sometimes a teddy bear is just a teddy bear. Free Gillian Gibbons." No lectures, no histrionics, no threats or accusations. Just a simple request that reason and common sense prevail. And a reminder that people throughout the the world are watching what they do.

120 kentuckyjoe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:29:38am

I thought you were at work Ojoe!

#97 Owl. Let's meet here.

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:29:53am
122 acacia  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:30:03am

"The sad legacy of the Danish cartoon riots is that we have to speak out immediately when extremists try to provoke clashes over trivial matters.
We believe all people of conscience - regardless of their religion - must speak out in this case. This is not about cultural sensitivities. There is no excuse for someone to be jailed and whipped over a teddy bear's name."

The Author? ... The American Islamic Congress. Knock me over with a feather. But good for them.

123 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:30:31am

re: #112 acacia

Cool, just thought I'd ask!

124 Wirebender  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:31:38am

Thought for awhile I'd name my new dog "muhammad", but then reconsidered. No dog deserves that kind of abuse.

125 Areopagitica  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:31:55am

AP is reporting that Gibbons was found guilty of inciting religious hatred, has been sentenced to 15 days in prison and will be deported.

Disgusting pack of animals.

126 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:32:25am

re: #111 mad_scientist

I heard that given all the genocide in the country they are surprised that people are even talking about the story. Whip and possibly kill an older woman? What's the fuss?

127 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:32:30am

BREAKING NEWS:

She has just been sentenced to 15 days in a Sudanese prison and then will be deported:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

128 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:32:31am

the children will be the danger in generations to come. because we are too politically correct to do anything about it.


mohommad was a pedophile and rots in hell to this day, in my personal opinion.

129 Cygnus  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:32:40am

re: #21 JamesTKirk

re: #13 Dead Sea Squirrel

Trouble's still a bruin.

Ouch. You're going to come to a grizzly grisly end with puns like that.

That's it. I'm takin' my SUV down to the local Brown Bear car wash. And ask for Muhammad.

130 Peacekeeper  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:33:03am

In fairness they hey did give her a show trial, they've moved into the 11th century.

131 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:33:07am

re: #117 NJDhockeyfan

Went to Richland HS you say? I had some good times going to college at UPJ. Really like the area up there, it was much better than going to Pitt Oakland. Had outdoor trails, woods all over the place...was a refreshing break from the city.

132 legion  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:33:46am

re:#53 jcm

Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest- Never Retreat, Never Surrender!

133 Owl  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:34:48am

re: #120 kentuckyjoe

I thought you were at work Ojoe!

#97 Owl. Let's meet here.


whaaah. I can't see all the good you tube stuff you guys find. :( i'll have to try and find this thread when i get home. :)

134 Cygnus  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:35:03am

Did Hindus get all upset over Yogi Bear?

135 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:35:09am

re: #127 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Thank you Thank you Thank you. Deportatation! What a lovely sentence!

I still want to burn the Sudanese flag and spit at it.

136 forrest  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:36:12am

re: #127 American Jewess In Jerusalem

I wonder if she will just do this time, or will the British government actuall try to do something for her. 15 days in a Sudanese prison? Sunds pretty damn bad.

137 Peacekeeper  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:36:32am

All for one and evry man for himself...
[Link: photos22.flickr.com...]

138 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:37:34am

I see a re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

re: #118 Pope Insouciance IV

I think the words you're looking for are "disproportionate response."

Just once ain't enough.

Every single provocation, needs a disproportionate response every single time, swift, overwhelming and exceedingly violent.

As long as terror works, see Annapolis, terror and other provocations like the Fatwa Bear will continue.

139 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:38:07am

re: #93 nyc redneck

re: #81 cookielady


re: #72 acacia

Really? Yet the free world stands for the incarceration, slavery and execution of Christians on a daily basis all over the world, and does nothing, and says nothing.


you're right. that's part of the problem. but if the civilized world doesn't do something to start crushing these savages who want to ie. kill over a teddy bear we are only going to see the madness increase. the british people need to be marching in the streets to get their citizen out of that cess pool. (that said, knowing she's a complete fool for being there.)

That's exactly what I am saying. We are not willing to crush them for ANY of their many atrocities, perpetrated on people who did NOT choose to immerse themselves in that wicked culture built on a wicked religion.

You know, on second thought, I've changed my mind. Even if she was an eyes-wide-open moonbat, she should be the cause celebre for her country to come in and kick serious butt. Of course, I'm one of those Neanderthal types who thinks we should do that anyway. If I said what I REALLY think we should be doing, I'd get deleted, more than likely. It's not my web site, and I will abide by the rules of the owner.

It has something to do with flattening structures and killing lots and lots of bad guys; that's all I will say about it, LOL!

140 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:38:53am

re: #127 American Jewess In Jerusalem

BREAKING NEWS:

She has just been sentenced to 15 days in a Sudanese prison and then will be deported:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

15 days in prison...guess it is better than a lashing. But still, SHE deserved to be apologized to for having to deal with such idiocy, not receive jail time.

141 Squirrelguy  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:39:41am

re: #8 JamesTKirk

re: #4 Canadian Infidel

Shouldn't the kids be whipped also. Realistically, if they're old enough to marry

They're still two years away from marryin' age.

Year overdue for marrying. Two years away from breeding.

142 Cygnus  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:41:41am

re: #65 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #61 Owl

My flag at home and my tag on the truck says " Don't Tread On Me ", and I mean it with all my heart. I think that flag could be the new syumbol for the anti-jihad/ pro-liberty movement.

If they were designing a new flag today, it would say "Tread All Over Me: I Deserve It"

Folsom Street Fair flag: 'Tread All Over Me! Beat me!'

143 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:42:23am
144 gman  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:43:02am

I am a British woman who has lived in an Asia country myself and I done my homework (hope she wasn't a teacher too). I checked the local laws and ensured I had a full understanding of the culture do's and don’ts. We always preach that when foreigners come to Britain they need to do their homework, learn our culture and abide by our laws. I think that if this woman is not charged then this is a clear case of double standards.
Louise, Edinburgh

The "done my homework" argument is not helpful in this case. I'm sure even Louise from Edinburgh would fail a test on the cultural intricacies of Sudan even after studying her "Get to Know Sudan in a week" book. There are nuances in every culture that can take years for a person to sort out.

We don't whether Mrs. Gibbons "done her homework" so presuming to know what she knew is pointless.

145 LEGION  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:43:24am

re: #116 legion

re: #101 jcm

It's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle.

Reminds me of an Elvis Pressley movie- something to do with a State Fair.
He pays a kid to kick him in the ankles so he can meet a nurse.

---
It happened at the World's Fair- 1963 in Seattle The red headed kid from Family Affair (Jody) kicked him. Buffy was in the movie also.

146 Alouette  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:43:32am

re: #46 RTLM

My sympathy meter is low for this woman. Why in the hell would a sane person go to Sudan and teach in the first place - especially a woman? Either she's totally ignorant of radical islam or she's simply a moonbat with such delusional good intentions that it clouded her already limited cognitive skills. Probably both.

And the brits are pathetic in their mewling to the Sudan embassy rep in London. Man up Brits and issue a few demands of your own.

She may be a silly twit and a clueless moonbat, but what part of ISLAM IS FREAKING FASCIST don't you understand?

147 cookielady  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:44:29am

re: #138 jcm

Every single provocation, needs a disproportionate response every single time, swift, overwhelming and exceedingly violent.

You have my deepest gratitude for voicing my inner thoughts. Thank you so much!

Can I vote for you in the election? Please?

148 pegcity  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:49:22am

re: #146 Alouette

re: #46 RTLM


My sympathy meter is low for this woman. Why in the hell would a sane person go to Sudan and teach in the first place - especially a woman? Either she's totally ignorant of radical islam or she's simply a moonbat with such delusional good intentions that it clouded her already limited cognitive skills. Probably both.

And the brits are pathetic in their mewling to the Sudan embassy rep in London. Man up Brits and issue a few demands of your own.


She may be a silly twit and a clueless moonbat, but what part of ISLAM IS FREAKING FASCIST don't you understand?

im sure shes a hollowing moonbat, and will give interviews attesting to the fact that this was all just a big misunderstanding.

149 Oh my I'm awry  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:50:39am

re: #5 Mohammed T. Bear

Forgive me while I lash out-
Animals.
A stuffed toy has more sense and soul.

I like your initiative--using the open registration to get a topical name. But calling them animals is an insult to real animals. For example, sure, our house-cat's personality would be a problem if it was a lion-sized cat, but just once in a while. She has her daily "cats gone psycho" for an hour or two each night, then she's very loving. But it's not like she actually understands whats happening to her in a reflective sort of way, or that she hates mice and chipmunks. Her brain's not that big; they are simply there to be toyed with. To say Islamists have no "sense and soul" is to absolve them of guilt. As human beings we always have a choice to sit and reflect about our own behavior. I choose not to give them a free pass by thinking of them as animals.

150 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:51:50am

The war in Iraq will soon be over. Men will be available. Anyone feel like cleaning up the Cesspool Sudan?
Ok maybe just use planes.

Anyone want to Google the courthouse and the homes of the religious authorities and the home of the guy who lodged the complaint? The planes might need the coordinates.

151 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:52:26am

re: #139 cookielady

re: #93 nyc redneck

re: #81 cookielady

re: #72 acaciaReally? Yet the free world stands for the incarceration, slavery and execution of Christians on a daily basis all over the world, and does nothing, and says nothing.

you're right. that's part of the problem. but if the civilized world doesn't do something to start crushing these savages who want to ie. kill over a teddy bear we are only going to see the madness increase. the british people need to be marching in the streets to get their citizen out of that cess pool. (that said, knowing she's a complete fool for being there.)
That's exactly what I am saying. We are not willing to crush them for ANY of their many atrocities, perpetrated on people who did NOT choose to immerse themselves in that wicked culture built on a wicked religion.

You know, on second thought, I've changed my mind. Even if she was an eyes-wide-open moonbat, she should be the cause celebre for her country to come in and kick serious butt. Of course, I'm one of those Neanderthal types who thinks we should do that anyway. If I said what I REALLY think we should be doing, I'd get deleted, more than likely. It's not my web site, and I will abide by the rules of the owner.

It has something to do with flattening structures and killing lots and lots of bad guys; that's all I will say about it, LOL!

i read you loud and clear.

152 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:53:51am
153 imhe  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:55:07am

Only 15 days in prison for naming a teddy bear Muhammad .
Islam is peace loving and Allah is merciful!
--sarcasm--

154 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:55:24am

re: #151 nyc redneck

Personally I think talking about war is acceptable. Talking about hate crimes is not.

155 DaMishMan  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:55:45am

The FoxNews website has a banner stating she's been found guilty of insulting islam. I can only imagine how the trial went...

Them: Are you a muslim?

Her: No...

Them: Guilty! Punish the infidel!

The Religion of Perpetual Outrage(tm) marches on!

/yes, I know islam and muslim should be capitalized...but I don't feel like it.

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:58:06am
157 MamaWolf  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:58:35am

re: #90 RTLM

Fill the teddy bear with a gas canister and BB's. Then you'll have a teddy bear a rad-muslim can love.

Only if you then give said bear to the idiots in Khartoum who feel this teacher has done anything wrong. You would probably be better of to have bombs in them and have them be suicide bears that blow up when in the hands of islamic terrorists.

158 MamaWolf  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 10:59:25am

re: #157 MamaWolf

re: #90 RTLM

Fill the teddy bear with a gas canister and BB's. Then you'll have a teddy bear a rad-muslim can love.

Only if you then give said bear to the idiots in Khartoum who feel this teacher has done anything wrong. You would probably be better of to have bombs in them and have them be suicide bears that blow up when in the hands of islamic terrorists.

Of course this may be a touch to violent but that is how I feel when reading this story.

159 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:04:17am

Mohammed Bear pleads his case (by singing Elvis):

Imams, let me be
Their lovin’ teddy bear.
Call me Mo,
Take me home.
Give me hugs to spare.
Oh, let me be
(Oh, let him be)
Their teddy bear.

I don’t wanna be insultin’
‘Cause insults make you burn.
I don’t wanna cause no floggin’
Even tho' you
Think that teacher has to learn.
Just wanna be
(Just wanna be)
Their teddy bear.
Can’t you see
No blasphemy
Has happened anywhere?
Oh, let me be
(Oh, let him be)
Their teddy bear.

Imams, let me be
The stuffie in the school.
Take a pill.
Try to chill.
And please, now,
Don’t be cruel.
Oh, let me be
(Oh, let him be)
Their teddy bear.

160 ergo sum  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:04:41am

re: #13 Dead Sea Squirrel

Trouble's still a bruin.


Puntastic!

161 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:08:21am

re: #155 DaMishMan

Here is all of it.

No additional time for stupidity.

162 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:09:23am

re: #154 GreenSoccer

re: #151 nyc redneck

Personally I think talking about war is acceptable. Talking about hate crimes is not.

i'm not talking abt. hate crimes. i'm talking abt. fending off these ruthless savages. and i would say they certainly are at war w/ us.

163 Roscoe P.  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:09:30am

Lizards,

Why is naming a teddy bear Mohammed a crime, but naming a child Mohammed is okay? Enlighten me please.

164 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:10:42am

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

"It's been 14 days since I don't know when.
I just saw her with my best friend.
Do ya know what I mean?
Do ya know, know what I mean?"

Isn't it a Rolling Stones song? Can't remember which one though.

165 DaMishMan  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:10:48am

re: #161 NY Nana

Let's hope the deportation occurs. The best thing for her is to get away from those Neanderthals.

166 jcm  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:12:24am

re: #163 Roscoe P.

Lizards,

Why is naming a teddy bear Mohammed a crime, but naming a child Mohammed is okay? Enlighten me please.

It's who done the naming.
If Osama had a bear named Mo, all the kids would have a bear named Mo.
Sudan took an opportunity to see how big Brown's cojones are, and Brown has been found lacking.

167 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:13:06am

Oops, sorry Buzz, it was "Forty Days" and it was a Lee Michaels song.

[Link: www.lyricsondemand.com...]

168 DaMishMan  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:13:38am

re: #163 Roscoe P.

Lizards,

Why is naming a teddy bear Mohammed a crime, but naming a child Mohammed is okay? Enlighten me please.

They are the imams! They no what is right and what is wrong! They have spoken!

It's impossible to try to apply logic to the mental processes of these beings.

169 David Simon  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:14:48am
I have worked in many parts of the World. When working in a particular country it is imperative that you comply with and respect the rules of that country. This lady clearly did not comply and respect such rules and must suffer the consequences.
Mike Townend, United Kingdom

Then why do so many people in your country bend over for Muslim interlopers, you fucking tool? Shouldn't the same rule apply to them? Why do they get a pass for trying to turn your country into yet another sharia shit hole? Oh, and why do so many of you whine about imagined civil liberties abuses against Muslims in my country instead of minding your own fucking business?

170 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:15:36am

I'll make a bet that no matter what her punishment, she goes public with a drivling slobbering statement about how insensitive she was, and how she has learned her lesson and that Islam is really an ROP blabbedly blah blab blah.

171 RTLM  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:16:03am

re: #146 Alouette

re: #46 RTLM


My sympathy meter is low for this woman. Why in the hell would a sane person go to Sudan and teach in the first place - especially a woman? Either she's totally ignorant of radical islam or she's simply a moonbat with such delusional good intentions that it clouded her already limited cognitive skills. Probably both.

And the brits are pathetic in their mewling to the Sudan embassy rep in London. Man up Brits and issue a few demands of your own.


She may be a silly twit and a clueless moonbat, but what part of ISLAM IS FREAKING FASCIST don't you understand?

No shit? If I had an urge to travel to a 4th world muslim shit hole I'd educate myself on what it was before I got there. I think yur shrieking at the choir

172 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:16:30am
173 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:16:32am

re: #165 DaMishMan

Bet she is deported as stated. My question is how she got a license to teach in the first place if she is stupid enough to want to work in a cult of islam country in the first place, although she would be hard put to find any place in England that would not be a part of Eurabia.

Soon the Queen will be wearing a burka.

174 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:17:50am

re: #113 savage_nation

HAHAHAHA

175 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:19:19am

Conviction: Teddy bear teacher convicted of blasphemy

A British teacher in Sudan was convicted Thursday of inciting religious hatred for letting her pupils name a teddy bear Muhammad, and she was sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation from the country, one of her lawyers said.

176 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:19:29am

I'm just bearly interested in the story anyway.

177 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:19:49am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

zzz

178 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:20:34am

re: #176 WriterMom

I'm just bearly interested in the story anyway.

well that made me lol, (for some reason)

179 Roscoe P.  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:21:48am

Re: #166 jcm
Re: #168 DaMishMan

They must sit around and think of random crap to get upset about...who knows?

180 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:23:35am
181 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:25:55am

re: #176 WriterMom

I'm just bearly interested in the story anyway.

The whole story is just so barbearic.

182 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:26:34am

re: #180 savage_nation

She needs a guardian CAIR Bear to demand her freedom!

183 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:26:56am

re: #181 American Jewess In Jerusalem

LOL.

184 guftafs  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:27:24am

re: #3 savage_nation

Is there nothing that doesn't offend Muslims?

Hard to tell the difference between devout Muslims and mental patients.

185 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:28:15am

re: #42 Silhouette

I think Allah ice cream swirl is right up there.

186 gman  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:28:23am

A lot re: #171 RTLM

re: #146 Alouette


re: #46 RTLM

My sympathy meter is low for this woman. Why in the hell would a sane person go to Sudan and teach in the first place - especially a woman? Either she's totally ignorant of radical islam or she's simply a moonbat with such delusional good intentions that it clouded her already limited cognitive skills. Probably both.
And the brits are pathetic in their mewling to the Sudan embassy rep in London. Man up Brits and issue a few demands of your own.

She may be a silly twit and a clueless moonbat, but what part of ISLAM IS FREAKING FASCIST don't you understand?

No shit? If I had an urge to travel to a 4th world muslim shit hole I'd educate myself on what it was before I got there. I think yur shrieking at the choir

We don't know what she knew about Sudan. Maybe she did study about what she should and shouldn't do, but the book didn't contain the "Teddy Bear" clause.

Actually, a respect- for- other- cultures-no- matter- the- cost dhimmi- lovin' moonbat would have read even more
about Sudan so as not to offend the beloved Mohammed.

187 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:29:38am

re: #19 Ringo the Gringo

Totally.

188 Roscoe P.  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:29:53am

Re: #182 WriterMom

LOL

189 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:30:19am
190 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:31:28am
191 Mad Mullah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:33:58am

And meanwhile in the lovely, terrorist accommodating kingdom of Norway, one of the most well known lawyers in Norway is trying to push for lower punishments for honor killings, claiming that Norway has failed unfortunate men from the third world who enjoy hacking up family members. It's all about the honor after all, and if that's acceptable in their miserable home countries where these disgusting people came from, then they should be allowed to practice the same barbaric, violent and primitive customs when they emigrate to the civilized west.

I haven't seen this article in English yet:

[Link: www.aftenposten.no...]

192 J'accuzzi  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:35:47am

It would be difficult to find a more compelling example of individual stupidity at work.

A foreign (presume non-muslim, presume ESL performer) woman uses a representation of something resembling a live animal to assist her presumed muslim students in developing narrative/literacy skills.

The icing on the cake: The person involved is British, a nationality not always number one in a Sudanese popularity contest.

When we vote for a name for this borderline occupant of the islamic forbidden zone what name could reasonably be expected to top the rest among unsophisticated little kids in such a situation.

Someone connects the dots: foreigner, idol, voting, insulting the prophet.

A "better" muslim has made his mark. Anyone foolish enough to oppose him and his supporters? You might be killed for doing so. Guess not.

So it will boil down to his Britannic Excellency having a quiet word with his local counterpart: "I say, bit of bother, what? Can we work something out? Maybe hurry up some spare parts or something?"

193 Farang Kheemao  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:35:55am

A friend of mine has a pig name Mohammed.

194 guftafs  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:35:58am

re: #190 savage_nation

re: #190 savage_nation

re: #184 guftafs

re: #3 savage_nation

Is there nothing that doesn't offend Muslims?

Hard to tell the difference between devout Muslims and mental patients.

Difference? There IS NO difference.

The entire Muslim world is a psycho ward of the lowest order

Right with you there. Nothing a little good old-fashioned 19th century-style military intervention couldn't cure in a jiffy.

195 Mad Mullah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:37:06am

As for the teddy bear named Mohammed, I believe that mass production of these bears should begin, and massive 'round the clock airdrops should be carried out, so that these presents can be delivered to certain areas of the world. Only good can come from this in my opinion.

196 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:37:33am

You can bet that the commentators on that BBC page who insist on the fault of the teacher for her ignorance of local Islamic laws and traditions are the EXACT same people who will, at every single turn, argue AGAINST any sort of cultural impositions - even learning the bloody language - for Islamists who are over here. Their hypocrisy is in a league of it's own.

197 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:39:03am
Quite a few commenters at the BBC web site think the teddy bear teacher deserves her fate.

I noticed that many of those condemning Ms Gibbons claim that visitors to Britain (or the US, or Australia) are expected to abide by our laws and customs. This is patently false: we are compelled by the threat of prosecution under hate-crime laws to RESPECT THEIRS.

Politically-correct multi-culturalism is an abject failure, and a dire threat to our freedom of conscience.

198 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:40:07am

re: #170 WriterMom

I hope not, but I fear you are probably right.

199 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:40:43am

re: #198 Jimmah

I'd bet my hair rays on it.

200 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:42:33am

The majority of comment by Muslims at TimesOnline and CNN is that this Sudanese court is crazy, that no insult was intended, and that it just makes Islam look bad.

They're right. In this case, leaving aside for some other day substantive objections to Sharia law, the accused is innocent by the standards of Sharia law. No insult delivered, and even if by some stretch of the imagination the deed were to be held offensive, there was no intent to insult or offend.

This is a slam-dunk not-guilty situation, by the standards of Sharia law. By the standards of vindictive and cruel haters of everything western, it's a way to get back at rich Sudanese who can afford to give their children a first-world education, and at those delivering that education.

201 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:46:18am

re: #200 lostlakehiker

it just makes Islam look bad

Imagine that!

202 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:46:43am

re: #200 lostlakehiker

well she was found guilty but given 15 days in jail instead of lashes.

203 Mad Mullah  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:46:44am

re: #171 RTLM

I have to agree with you. I can't feel all that sorry for anybody that freely chooses to visit, immigrate to or work in one of these fascist, evil countries.

The woman who might end up getting whipped should have done her research before she went there.

204 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:47:24am
205 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:48:43am

Horatio Kitchener would have known how to deal with this.

In 1883, a self-declared Mahdi arose in the desert of the Sudan, rallied the local tribes and rebelled against the Egyptians who ruled the place at the time. Their main complaint seems to have been that the Egyptians had allowed the British and others to suppress the slave trade. The mahdists massacred an Egyptian army of 10,000 at El Obeid . They then besieged and captured Khartoum early in 1885, butchering its British commander, the renowned George "Chinese" Gordon, and a good many inhabitants.

The Mahdi died soon thereafter but his Islamofascist regime ruled the Sudan almost unchallenged until 1898, when General Kitchener led an Anglo-Egyptian army south to put things to right. The mahdist army, said to number 50,000 or more, met the British at Omdurman, just outside Khartoum. Following the same formula they had used against the Egyptians 12 years earlier, the mahdist hordes charged headlong at the British lines. Unfortunately for them, they failed to take account of the introduction in the meantime of Maxim machine guns and quick-firing artillery. The outcome was most gratifying, 23,000 mahdists mowed down in a few hours for British losses of 48 killed and about 400 wounded.

Young Winston Churchill was there and wrote extensively about it in River War: An Historical Account of The Reconquest of the Soudan.

206 guftafs  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:49:10am

re: #200 lostlakehiker

re: #200 lostlakehiker


This is a slam-dunk not-guilty situation, by the standards of Sharia law. By the standards of vindictive and cruel haters of everything western, it's a way to get back at rich Sudanese who can afford to give their children a first-world education, and at those delivering that education.

Which is why religious law is such an abysmally bad idea to begin with, I guess. Who decide if a decision is according to, say sharia, or not?

207 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:52:09am
208 guftafs  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:54:49am

re: #205 Shiplord Kirel

Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not. (link)

Different time, different values. We still have the equivalent of the Maxum gun, but we're too afraid to use it.

209 Kobyashi Maru  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 11:57:02am

Guilty as charged! Any doubt? In honor of Ms. Gibbons, my Golden Retriever is now Mohammed Doggie (especially heinous, no doubt!), My rabbits are Mohammed Bunny 1 and Mohammed Bunny 2, and deaf white cat (does she care what I call her?) Mohammed Kitty...

210 Kobyashi Maru  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:01:12pm

#208 gufta

I thought Bill Maher was right when he called on use of another Maxim Gun to get unruly angry young male practitioners of the ROP to calm down...

211 Live4Truth  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:04:11pm

Check out the picture of Teddy at Jawa Report.

And those comments at The Monkey Tennis Centre are absurd.

212 guftafs  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:04:51pm

re: #210 Kobyashi Maru

#208 gufta

I thought Bill Maher was right when he called on use of another Maxim Gun to get unruly angry young male practitioners of the ROP to calm down...

Fine by me *grin*

213 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:07:19pm
214 Irenike  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:10:49pm

Up to 90% of Sudanese Muslim females are circumsized, according to one source I found on the internet. They're willing to hack off the genitals of their little girls (I've heard stories where no anaesthetic is used, the wound is dressed with straw, and the girls undergo it as young as 4 years old). Do you think they'd really consider whipping a foreign middle-aged "infidel" a big deal?

I wish Christian missonary zeal could go full-force in that country and clean the place up. And I'm not a Christian.

215 maryatexitzero  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:12:50pm

About the BBC and the self-loathing Brits - I did a
post yesterday
about how the BBC was trolling for
a certain kind of comment.

Their request for comments at the end of the "teddy bear of blasphemy" story was worded this way:

Are you in Sudan? Do you feel offended by what the
teacher did? Should she be punished? Send us your
views using the form below

They took down the request, then they posted "Reader responses", with this statement at the top of the page:

BBC News website readers, as well as readers of BBCArabic.com, have been sending their reaction to this story.

They failed to mention their efforts to get the villagers to light up their torches, by asking for respondents who: 1. were from the Sudan, 2. were offended and 3. had definite opinions about whether
she should be punished.

I didn't think it was a big deal because the BBC doing stupid, biased things isn't big news - but I wonder how often they do this.

216 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:13:59pm

A thought just occurred to me: if she wanted the experience of teaching in a foreign land, couldn't she have just toodled on over to one of the many Muslim enclaves in England? I'm sure there must be plenty of Muslim Sudanese children all around England. She could then be immersed in a 7th century shit hole for 8 hours a day, but then come quittin' time, she'd be back in the land of the civilized!

She clearly did not think this one through.

217 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:16:26pm

re: #214 Irenike


"I wish Christian missonary zeal could go full-force in that country and clean the place up. And I'm not a Christian."

That's funny -- I find my Orthodox Jewish self wishing the same thing! Of course, I can't admit that openly in my circle, but it's how I feel, nonetheless.

218 Irenike  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:22:54pm

#217 American Jewess in Jerusalem

re: #214 Irenike
"I wish Christian missonary zeal could go full-force in that country and clean the place up. And I'm not a Christian."

That's funny -- I find my Orthodox Jewish self wishing the same thing! Of course, I can't admit that openly in my circle, but it's how I feel, nonetheless.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see Jewish missionaries there, too, but I know proselytization is not in the Jewish tradition. Whether it should be is debate for a different thread . . .

219 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 12:51:13pm

I disagree with you guys. If the media refuses to tell the truth about Islam and about Islamic countries and about sharia law and calls it a ROP, and if organizations like N.O.W. refuses to tell the truth to their members, and universities refuse to have speakers like Phyllis Chesler, how is an individual supposed to be held responsible for knowing?

220 gman  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 1:07:30pm

re: #216 American Jewess In Jerusalem

A thought just occurred to me: if she wanted the experience of teaching in a foreign land, couldn't she have just toodled on over to one of the many Muslim enclaves in England? I'm sure there must be plenty of Muslim Sudanese children all around England. She could then be immersed in a 7th century shit hole for 8 hours a day, but then come quittin' time, she'd be back in the land of the civilized!

She clearly did not think this one through.


I think there are many teachers, doctors, dentists, and other people in service industries derive pleasure fron helping people, irregardless of religion, race, geographical location. and so on. I don't think we can call her "stupid" or "moonbat" based on the fact that she wanted to help teach in Sudan.

221 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 2:03:03pm

My feeling on this: This sort of thing is going to be happening more and more often, and more and more brazenly... but somewhere along the line there is going to be a backlash against it like nobody's business. The sleeping giant hasn't awakened yet, but when it does... Woah, look out!

222 McKie of BuSab  Thu, Nov 29, 2007 3:34:28pm

I think you'll find that a number of the BBC posters are mohammedans using Western names to gain an apparent independence to their comments.
The majority of British people I know do not think like those posters, and are appaled by how these barbarians have treated this lady.

223 edgeplay_cgo  Fri, Nov 30, 2007 7:07:06am

I can't blame her for going to the Sudan. It used to be a neat place, before they became an islamofascist republic. Even the radical muslims (I had a f(r)iend who was a Muslim Brother) were pretty nice, if you didn't behave like an idiot.

The problem is that islam, like most religions, is only tolerable when it is weak. islam is particularly intolerable when it is strong, as it is a barbaric murderous religion at heart. They're on an upswing. As things look right now, they may continue on an upswing until we turn keys on them.

In the meantime, all we can do is to continue to remind ourselves and others, how deadly is this cult of death.


"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
- Emperor Manual II Paleologos

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