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Sat, Dec 1, 2007 at 12:44:42 pm PST

Bob Owens has the punchline:

When I last spoke with Beauchamp in early November, he continued to stand by his stories. Unfortunately, the standards of this magazine require more than that. And, in light of the evidence available to us, after months of intensive re-reporting, we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them. Without that essential confidence, we cannot stand by these stories.

Ahem.

Here’s the article at TNR; it’s 14 web pages long and the paragraph above is the very last one: Fog of War.

UPDATE at 12/1/07 3:41:37 pm:

More from Bob Owens at PJ Media: The New Republic Tries to Come Clean on Beauchamp Scandal.

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1 hayseed  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:45:45pm

hey now

2 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:46:08pm

Took them long enough.

3 Defector01  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:47:00pm

Blogs Pwn the mainstream media again

4 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:49:14pm

That damage has been done...whats it matter now?

/Muhammad El-Dura anyone?

Sad that this is the way journalism works these days... say what you want, even if false...because by the time we admit it was false noone really will care anymore and the damage will be done. Politically motivated Hitpiece journalism. :(

5 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:49:18pm

Hmmm, any mention of the clueless nature of their fact checking dept?

6 swamprat  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:49:26pm

so sad

7 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:50:04pm

They should fold permanently.

8 Dead Sea Squirrel  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:50:41pm

They took a look at Dan Rather and concluded, "That way lies madness."

9 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:51:20pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

That's what I though had happened when I first read the caption...

10 maddogg  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:52:09pm

DANG! I thought you meant that TNR had gone belly up:(

11 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:52:42pm

re: #9 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

That's what I though had happened when I first read the caption...

Same here.

Charles, you're duping us!

/

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:05pm

Asinine blog commenter arrested...
B&S Commenter Arrested

An Oak Creek High School teacher who allegedly praised the actions of the Columbine School shooters and threatened local teachers on a Web site blog was arrested Thursday. The 46-year-old Cudahy man was arrested with the assistance of Oak Creek and Cudahy police departments after West Bend police were notified of a threatening post on Nov. 16.

13 swamprat  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:13pm

Incredible. How many stringers have single-handedly killed a magazine?

14 rorschach  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:23pm
The New Republic Folds.


Boy, I got all excited when I read that. I thought the entire operation had folded, which would have been the case if there were any justice in the world.

15 jcm  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:25pm

Facts are troublesome things.

16 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:45pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

They should fold permanently.

Origami uber alis!

17 Racer X  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:50pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Took them long enough.

They wanted to wait for interest to die down before serving up a "correction".

18 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:53:54pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Asinine blog commenter arrested...
B&S Commenter Arrested

An Oak Creek High School teacher who allegedly praised the actions of the Columbine School shooters and threatened local teachers on a Web site blog was arrested Thursday. The 46-year-old Cudahy man was arrested with the assistance of Oak Creek and Cudahy police departments after West Bend police were notified of a threatening post on Nov. 16.

I read that earlier. The dreaded IP address strikes again.

19 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:54:04pm

i had a free subscription to that rag. it would arrive, i'd look at the title, and then throw it in the trash. what a relief it won't be coming anymore. (wonder if i can get a refund?)

20 me  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:54:11pm

NRgate ends with a whimper. Not even a thud.

21 swami  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:54:33pm

e: #9 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

That's what I though had happened when I first read the caption...

Same here.

Dittos.

22 swamprat  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:54:34pm

Yep. Got me.

23 LSD  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:55:44pm

"pwned"

24 nyc redneck  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:55:47pm

ooops, that rag is still going to be showing up uninvited? damn.

25 markx  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:55:49pm

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaa... ha ha

26 LSD  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:56:33pm

The title of this thread mislead me ... to think NR folded ...

27 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:56:53pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

Talk about getting your hopes up, I thought that is exactly what this headline was implying. Bummer.

28 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:57:13pm

re: #18 JammieWearingFool

It's a tricky issue but my initial reaction is that the blog owner did the right thing. What do you think?

29 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:57:22pm
...we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them.

That sure is equivocal and mealy-mouthed. I would say this response is still highly inadequate.

How about, "None of the events in his pieces can be verified, and we retract every piece of his that we published."

30 Craniac  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:58:02pm

Notice that they don't actually say the story was wrong. They only admit that they can't prove it is true.

31 maddogg  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:58:13pm

Somehow, I keep getting editions of The Rolling Stone in the mail. Sheese, I don't even have a bird or a puppy to housebreak, so I have to throw it in the trash without it being of any use whatsoever. What a waste of pulpwood.

32 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:58:44pm

It appears we've been had.

I think I'll start drinking now.

BTW, I hope Tennessee and Missouri win later.

33 Crusader Rabbit  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:59:01pm
we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them. Without that essential confidence, we cannot stand by these stories.

Missing subtext: "even though we want desperately to believe them."

34 Luigi  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 12:59:10pm

Twenty -- count them -- Twenty

Muslims in jailed teacher protest
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]


British Muslims protested outside the Sudanese Embassy over the treatment of jailed teacher Gillian Gibbons.

The small but noisy group demanded the immediate release of Mrs Gibbons, who is currently serving a 15-day prison sentence in Sudan after her class of seven-year-olds named a teddy bear Mohammed.

Chanting "free, free Gillian" and "let her go, let her go", demonstrators attempted to hand over a "goodwill teddy" to the embassy, but a staff member refused to accept the gift.

Some 20 British Muslims, including ...

35 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:00:14pm

re: #34 Luigi

This is great. I wish there were more...but this is great.

I wonder how many would come out if it were instead the U.K. jailing a Muslim for something as ludicrous.

36 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:00:27pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

re: #18 JammieWearingFool

It's a tricky issue but my initial reaction is that the blog owner did the right thing. What do you think?

No doubt. And the reasoning in his post was well thought.

37 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:00:37pm

re: #8 Dead Sea Squirrel

They took a look at Dan Rather and concluded, "That way lies madness."

I seriously doubt that, they just got their asses handed to them so badly they didn't have any other choice.

38 jcm  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:00:41pm

re: #30 Craniac

Notice that they don't actually say the story was wrong. They only admit that they can't prove it is true.

We can't prove it's true... But YOU CAN'T PROVE it not.
neener neeener neeener
/TNR

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:02:16pm

re: #34 Luigi

Some 20 British Muslims,


At least 20 showed up. Better turnout than I expected.

40 mean Gene  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:02:23pm

One paragraph deep in a 14-page article.
Could they have buried the lead any deeper?

41 disunreconnected  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:02:33pm

Who'd a thunk this mess would have turned out THIS way?
Maybe this'll start a new trend in the media reporting actual news and facts without the rather obvious bias and opinions sold as "news".
One could hope.

42 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:02:58pm

re: #38 jcm

That is the beauty of these things. The only way you could proove this is to ask a Gov official (for the most part) and well who has a bigger motive to lie then the Gov? Thus, they can't be trusted...SO...

it can never be disprooven.

43 doriangrey  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:03:15pm

re: #34 Luigi

Twenty -- count them -- Twenty

Muslims in jailed teacher protest
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]



British Muslims protested outside the Sudanese Embassy over the treatment of jailed teacher Gillian Gibbons.The small but noisy group demanded the immediate release of Mrs Gibbons, who is currently serving a 15-day prison sentence in Sudan after her class of seven-year-olds named a teddy bear Mohammed.

Chanting "free, free Gillian" and "let her go, let her go", demonstrators attempted to hand over a "goodwill teddy" to the embassy, but a staff member refused to accept the gift.

Some 20 British Muslims, including ...

And sometime next week the headline will be Some 20 British Muslims were murdered for failing to be properly insulted by a teddy bear named Mohammad, oh and for the obvious apostasy.

44 HBob  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:03:19pm

Day late and dollar short. KMA.

45 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:03:38pm

Shameless Plug for a good org:

Want to keep Reporting Honest?

46 LittleSpaceshipBuilder  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:03:54pm

Okay, that was a long boring read. After about the third page, I was losing interest and sped up and did some skimming. No explanation about them firing the leaker, not that I was able to find anyway. And a total cop-out on the fact checking...

My BS detector needs a rest and that was a total CYA article.

47 Dead Sea Squirrel  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:04:22pm

re: #24 nyc redneck

ooops, that rag is still going to be showing up uninvited? damn.

Probably the only way they can increase their circulation.

48 Crusader Rabbit  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:05:44pm

I'm liking this feature where my own comments appear with a green tab. Make me feel important. That doesn't happen often. Thanks Charles.

49 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:05:57pm
50 madmax517  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:06:00pm

So when are some of the other media giants going to join them?

Kind of scary how media is bending over backwards to kiss her royal thighness' ass. Rick Moran's take on AP's latest fawning of the witch had me in stitches. What the hell is it with blind devotion and moonbattery? How can people be so blind to reality ?
[Link: www.rightwingnuthouse.com...]

51 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:06:09pm
52 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:06:22pm

re: #8 Dead Sea Squirrel

They took a look at Dan Rather and concluded, "That way lies madness."

But that didn't stop them from going down that road themselves.

(Hey Dan, wait for us!)

53 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:06:39pm

re: #34 Luigi

Yahoo pic


A protester holding placards and a teddy bear sits outside the Sudanese Embassy in London, Saturday, Dec. 1, 2007,
54 mossley  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:06:51pm

How timely and forthcoming of them!

(Do I even need a sarcasm tag for that?)

55 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:07:53pm

Rejection for Islamic school

Bankstown City Council will determine the development application for the 1200-student Al Amanah Islamic College at Bass Hill on Tuesday night.

Nearly 2500 submissions were received from residents - 1829 against, 649 in support.

Council staff have recommended that the development - a primary and secondary school, a 30-place child-care centre with two residences for caretakers, a reception and convention hall, a sporting hall and an indoor pool - be refused.

Inmates studying al-Qaeda manual

ISLAMIC extremists are using an al-Qaeda training manual to give them instructions for taking over the state's toughest jails, prison authorities have alleged.

Up to 40 inmates had established an internal organisational structure to maintain morale, resist interrogation and recruit members to Islam.

/in Australia, it's one step forward and one step back

56 rorschach  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:08:33pm

This tepid admission of journalistic malfeasance after fourteen pages of excuse-making is like one of those apologies that goes something like:

"Gee, I'm sorry you were hurt because you misinterpreted what I actually meant to say."

57 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:09:21pm
58 manray favjet  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:09:30pm

Daggummit! That headline fooled me too. Now that would have been a nice early Christmas present. Whoops. Can you say Christmas now?

59 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:11:13pm

I'm glad that--although it took a long time--the editors have come around.

60 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:12:06pm

re: #58 manray favjet

I can't (dont)

61 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:12:11pm
62 paxnhymn  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:12:15pm

Nothing's changed here. No admissions that even though war has it's attrocities, our soldiers have all in all acted properly! The only reason there is this admission is that there are caught perpetuating a lie redhanded! they're not sorry;just sorry they got caught!

The MSM will never change.

63 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:12:28pm

re: #34 Luigi

Twenty -- count them -- Twenty

Muslims in jailed teacher protest
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]



British Muslims protested outside the Sudanese Embassy over the treatment of jailed teacher Gillian Gibbons.
The small but noisy group demanded the immediate release of Mrs Gibbons, who is currently serving a 15-day prison sentence in Sudan after her class of seven-year-olds named a teddy bear Mohammed.

Chanting "free, free Gillian" and "let her go, let her go", demonstrators attempted to hand over a "goodwill teddy" to the embassy, but a staff member refused to accept the gift.

Some 20 British Muslims, including ...

Moderates?

64 sithkhan  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:14:39pm

Wasn't there some connection in the TNR's office, like some woman Scott was dating, engaged or married to? I noticed that was not covered in the article; admittedly, I skimmed through the print version, to reduce the 'Click for next page' tomfoolery -but I saw no mention of her responsibilities or role in this.

thanks for the link, regardless.

65 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:15:19pm

re: #64 sithkhan

If memory serves, her name is Elizabeth.

66 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:15:33pm

re: #65 MandyManners

Or, April?

67 Bloodnok  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:19:03pm

re: #66 MandyManners

re: #66 MandyManners

re: #65 MandyManners

Or, April?

Elspet?

68 astronmr20  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:21:24pm

Dan Rather should take a cue.

69 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:21:31pm
70 swamprat  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:21:33pm

stvip

71 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:21:48pm

re: #67 Bloodnok

re: #66 MandyManners

re: #66 MandyManners


re: #65 MandyManners

Or, April?


Elspet?

Sounds right.

72 swamprat  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:22:03pm

wrong thread

73 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:22:23pm

HARRY REID HAS SEX WITH GOATS!

74 ornery elephant  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:23:14pm

OT

Finally, some good news.

Kuwait Remembers American Sacrifice

75 mama winger  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:24:58pm

re: #18 JammieWearingFool

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Asinine blog commenter arrested...
B&S Commenter Arrested

An Oak Creek High School teacher who allegedly praised the actions of the Columbine School shooters and threatened local teachers on a Web site blog was arrested Thursday. The 46-year-old Cudahy man was arrested with the assistance of Oak Creek and Cudahy police departments after West Bend police were notified of a threatening post on Nov. 16.

I read that earlier. The dreaded IP address strikes again.

That's just down the road from me. And Mark Belling (radio commentator, sometimes fills in for Rush, said no such thing about shooting teachers)

76 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:28:59pm
77 Darwin Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:29:36pm

#64 - actually, if you read it carefully, the admit that Boo-chump' wife was one of their "fact checkers."

Where are the apologies to Goldfarb, Kristol (whom they called a "thug"), Michelle Malkin, Confederate Yankee and all the rest who called them on this sham? They got everything right, from the phony fact-checking on down.

What about their previous "correction" that mis- identifying the place where the disfigured woman was mocked had just been a "mistake"? By that time, they knew the entire story was full of holes, and that the "corroborating source" was borderline insane.

How soon before Franklin Foer goes to work for CNN?

78 tradewind  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:30:59pm

O/T#2: Now CAIR is threatening advertisers?

According to the New York Daily News, the Council on American-Islamic Relations has persuaded several companies, including Wal-Mart and AT&T, not to have ads on Savage's show as a result of disparaging remarks Savage made about Islam

.

80 Ma Sands  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:32:11pm

Hmmm...

"Folds", in the newspaper world, means the business is gone, kaput...

"Caves", is what I thought the blogosphere term for this was...


:)

81 myshkin  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:34:14pm

"Unfortunately, the standards of this magazine require more than that."

We require every story that we print to have at least one chance in a million of being based on something that could be construed as factual by a really gullible 12-year old girl. Unfortunately, my daughter wasn't buying it.

82 WrathofG-d  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:34:16pm
83 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:36:48pm

TNR - bought and paid for by Karl Rove.

/kos kidz

84 jcm  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:38:56pm

OT
Pretty good snowfall in Seattle right now.

85 Psaturn  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:41:23pm

I am still trying to figure out this, is the New Republic a "liberal" rag or a "conservative" rag...

TNR wrote that they were 'surprised' at being attacked by the 'Right' after being attacked by the 'Left' for not advocating strongly enough that we should leave Iraq..

I am still trying to figure out this one...

86 Psaturn  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:42:35pm

re: #84 jcm

Must be nice to see snowfall in Seattle...

It is sunshiny here in the Southern California desert...it rained all day and all night yesterday!

87 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:43:38pm
it’s 14 web pages long

Thanks for not saying "Read it all."

88 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:44:02pm
89 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:47:21pm

re: #88 taxfreekiller

Whoa up thar pard. your not talking about Texas goats are you, cause
we got moral goats here in Texas and not one of them would have sex
with a ugly ass coward like Harry Reedless, he is way to small.

LOL!

90 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:48:01pm
91 Pickle  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:51:48pm

Who cares? TNR got what they wanted. They got their drive-by media hit piece read by people inclined to believe that sort of bullshit. Those same people will be disseminating this "truth" to others, and will NOT be reading this 14-page mea culpa, or caring about it in any event. The lie, as usual, travelled around the world before the truth had finished tying its shoes.

It'll end here, with no long-term repurcussions for the liars at TNR, and that's why it's a guarantee that this will happen again.

92 Shaky Louie  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:56:01pm

re: #91 Pickle

The lie, as usual, travelled around the world before the truth had finished tying its shoes.


But, in the end, the truth will outlast the lies.

93 Pickle  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 1:59:58pm

re: #85 Psaturn
They're a mag for center-left, neoliberal Democrats. That's why they take hits from the far left lunatic fringe, but it doesn't make TNR much less dishonest themselves, as some level of factual dishonesty is always necessary for the left to make any sort of logically-consistent point.

94 NamDoc67  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:02:52pm

14 pages to rationalize why comon sense has no chance against a self-serving ideological agenda.

14 pages to rationalize why fools should have more credibility than people who might actually know what they are talking about.

14 pages to rationalize why everyone else is to blame and bias is only in the eye of the beholder.

14 pages to add additional insult to the military after most eagerly slandering it to begin with.

If there is any such thing as a class action libel suit, Foer should soon see himself in the dock defending all his assets as well as his magazine's. It's not a question of his right to publish this trash, but his unwillingness to promptly retract it when confronted with transparently obvious reality.

I suggest recently retired military as the plaintiff class.

95 Conserve Liberty  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:03:33pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Best line yet

Origami über alles

FIFY

96 Conserve Liberty  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:06:14pm

re: #30 Craniac

Notice that they don't actually say the story was wrong. They only admit that they can't prove it is true.

They story may be fake, but the manuscript Beauchamp submitted is truly a document. - Dan Dan

97 ContraJihadi  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:09:45pm

re: #85 Psaturn

I am still trying to figure out this, is the New Republic a "liberal" rag or a "conservative" rag...

TNR wrote that they were 'surprised' at being attacked by the 'Right' after being attacked by the 'Left' for not advocating strongly enough that we should leave Iraq..

I am still trying to figure out this one...

I believe that they are more or less Lieberman left on domestic issues. Regarding foreign policy, they no longer support the war, but they are not clamoring for immediate withdrawal. They don't like "unilateralism." They think the way to solve international crises is to talk to the enemy and to rely on the UN. But they are not totally against a robust U.S. military; they often point to old-time liberal Democrats like Scoop Jackson and JFK as models.

98 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:10:48pm
99 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:13:52pm
100 inkling  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:15:03pm

Exurban League has located a televised still of Frankin Foer withdrawing TNR's support of the Beauchamp fabrications!
http://exurbanleague.com/2007/12/01/franklin-litel la.aspx

(I think the dress looks nice on him.)

101 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:16:03pm

So will long time LGFer Throbert McGee be getting his job back?

102 chinesearithmetic  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:30:29pm

You just knew they'd do it on a weekend. How very Clinton.

103 Former Belgian  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:32:38pm

re: #19 nyc redneck

i had a free subscription to that rag. it would arrive, i'd look at the title, and then throw it in the trash. what a relief it won't be coming anymore. (wonder if i can get a refund?)

It wasn't always a rag. Then again, once upon a time the Guardian [spit!] was a respectable newspaper.

104 Thanos  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:34:13pm

And here I was hoping "folds" meant "goes under" -- "declares bankruptcy". I guess it's just moral not fiscal bankruptcy.

105 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 2:44:00pm

Perhaps CNN hired their fact checkers from TNR for the last Republican Debate.

-S-

106 OliveMe  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:11:46pm

I'm still waiting for the IED Babes Calendar TNR promised me for renewing my subscription.

107 FredWM  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:25:23pm

"...we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them. Without that essential confidence, we cannot stand by these stories..."

The sub-text is that "the stories may still be true, but they didn't stand up to our super-high standards. So feel free to continue believing them, they are probably for the most part true."

108 OliveMe  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:29:37pm

re: #107 FredWM

Exactly.

109 bill-tb  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:48:50pm

Fire the editor ... Will anyone believe any story they write now? Like with CNN, time to just say no to these liars, fakers and cover-up artists.

110 bucephalas  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:51:01pm

re: #108 OliveMe

It's that "truthiness" thing again. It doesn't need to be a fact, it just needs to fit the meme. It may not be true but it should be. I also loved how he had to pull in the "Sanchez was a porn star" line. If the facts aren't on your side start slinging the mud. Franklin should pull his head back into his shell and move on to something more fitting like asking customers if they'd like fries with that burger...

111 RichinMO  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:52:01pm

I'm guessing the chances of them publishing what I said to them in regards to Fog of War are essentially the same as the KC Chiefs playoff hopes

112 Pantera  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 3:53:04pm

re: #107 FredWM

That's probably how the left will view it, if they bother to post on it. And of course they'll blame the Rethuglicans for being so mean and putting so much pressure on poor Scott. It's not like he was expected to write exactley what happened without bias or exxageration. After all, he was part of the MSM.

113 Catttt  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:01:29pm
...intensive re-reporting...

I might have just what it takes
If I don't make no bad mistakes and I

Get it right the first time
Cause that's the main thing
Can't afford to let it pass
Get it right the next time
That's not the same thing
Gonna make the first time last.

~Billy Joel

114 cwnorma  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:06:57pm

Bias? What bias?

115 Gozer the Carpathian  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:33:32pm

*Sigh*

14 pages of nothing and in the end not even fully admitting they were wrong. How typical. Keep up the good work Pajama Media though, we'll keep beating these Drive By Media guys every day of the year!

116 Dave the.....  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:34:43pm

As someone said during the CBS news Texas Air Guard scandel..."We cannot say for sure if the corpse is alive".

117 6pat6  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:38:48pm
When I last spoke with Beauchamp in early November, he continued to stand by his stories. Unfortunately, the standards of this magazine require more than that. And, in light of the evidence available to us, after months of intensive re-reporting, we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them. Without that essential confidence, we cannot stand by these stories.

TNR was like a man at the end of a hangman's noose that was improperly set, resulting in a slow, choking death...not quite snapping their neck for a relatively painless death, but the agonizing kind of what TNR brought on itself. They were their OWN executioner. They did themselves in with their ridiculous agenda and with their Lefty ways.

Hey, TNR...sucks to be you, as they say!

118 6pat6  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:41:42pm

They may have "folded" in their backing of the story, but I think this may just signal the end of TNR altogether. Even amongst liars, there has to be at least a shred of credibility, and they have shot what little they might have had among their peers...

Well, here's hoping, anyway!

119 6pat6  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:43:56pm

re: #62 paxnhymn

The only reason there is this admission is that there are caught perpetuating a lie redhanded! they're not sorry;just sorry they got caught!

Sadly, you're right.

120 6pat6  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:45:45pm

re: #73 MandyManners

That would be baaad to get some pics of!...eeewww!

That reminds me - What did the baby goat say to his mamma goat when he saw Harry Reid? "There's Daaady!"

121 EE  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 4:50:12pm

After everyone knows that the Scott Beauchamp stories are fabrications, it will not surprise anybody that New Republic editor Franklin Foer finally admits that he is not sure that the stories are true. But missing from Franklin Foer's very long article was any apology for using poor judgment in assigning Beauchamp's wife to be the fact checker, when there is a conflict of interest in that that is so obvious that anybody can see it. Also missing from Franklin Foer's very long article is any presentation of the evidence, the statements, that contradict Beauchamp's stories. If Franklin Foer wanted to fully set things right and correct the false impressions that he has fostered, he would stop the cover-up, by publishing the statements that contradict Beauchamp's stories.

As it now stands, the public is given to understand that there is evidence contradicting Beauchamp's stories, but they are not told what that evidence is. The statements that contradict those stories are still left unpublished by Franklin Foer and the magazine that he mis-edits.

122 Spiny Norman  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 5:08:21pm

re: #109 bill-tb

Fire the editor ... Will anyone believe any story they write now? Like with CNN, time to just say no to these liars, fakers and cover-up artists.

In a sane world, Franklin Foer would be out on his ass for the damage he's done to their credibility.

But the MSM Democrat Ministry of Propaganda lives in BDS World.

123 descolada9  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 5:57:52pm

Dang, here I thought the whole magazine had folded. Ah, well, better luck next time, I guess.

124 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 6:18:48pm

The New World Origami.

125 RichinMO  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 6:19:48pm

I am suprised..99% of the comments over on TNR have been condemnations...I have seen only one comment trying to defend TNR

126 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 6:29:32pm

"Now that it is completely obvious, even for idiots like us, senators and congressmen, that we're going to win in Iraq, we'd like to jump on the victory bandwagon after all"

127 Steffan  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 6:33:41pm

re: #21 swami

e: #9 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

That's what I though had happened when I first read the caption...

Same here.

Dittos.

Indeed.

Disappointing, isn't it?

Well, we may yet see some TNR heads roll... the fat lady ain't even in the stadium yet. I'm amazed Foer still has a job, and I can't think he'd be employable after this.

Of course, given the current state of journalistic ethics, he'll probably be the next "public editor" of the NYT.

128 William  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 8:25:03pm
Here’s the article at TNR; it’s 14 web pages long and the paragraph above is the very last one

A standard NY Times move.

129 fmfnavydoc  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 9:02:44pm

I left this comment over at TNR...

| Posted by fmfnavydoc
122 of 132 | warn tnr | respond
As a member of the military, your apology, Mr. Foer, isn't worth the damn paper it's written on. You and your magazine violated every rule of journalistic and even personal integrity by publishing Scott Thomas Beuachamp's tripe - you have become the latest poster child for "journalistic integrity" - right up there with Dan Rather, CNN and the others that have used the media to spew their vitriol against those that they see as being "inferior" or not holding the same viewpoint.

14 pages to tell the world "we screwed up" - that has to be a record, especially for a journalist. Your actions brought TNR to the level of a gossip mag, or better yet, to a level lower than that seen at a junior high school student paper.

Mr. Foer, you need to do the following: 1. Say the following phrase, "I screwed up"... 2. Submit your resignation, effective immediately. 3. Find employment elsewhere - like a fast food restaurant.

130 tradewind  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 9:43:01pm

re: #92 Shaky Louie

Yep. It's just like you learn in law school, go ahead and ask the question you know will elicit a sustained objection. The jury will have heard you anyway...and the judicial directives to ignore you, not so much.

131 spynverzyon  Sat, Dec 1, 2007 11:17:56pm
"we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them."


Fake But Accurate, Version 2.1, Release 1 (now in beta). Check back for updates.

132 billy hank  Sun, Dec 2, 2007 12:07:56am

I think Franklin Foer is a fabulist himself. He's making up how hard he tried to contact the Arny after National Review and the bloggers broke the story. The mean old Army, according to Foer's implications, shut down Beauchamp, intimidated his platoon mates into retracting their corroborations, and refused to have any contact with TNR despite TNR's furious and multiple efforts to contact somebody. The stonewalling got so bad that TNR just gave up in despair. That tracks so closely with liberal stereotypes that I doubt it happened that way.

Admittedly it's been some time since I served as an information officer, and I was AF, not Army, but press inquiries do not just go unanswered. Most military members know enough to kick any press requests they receive to the PAO. I'd be interested in seeing an e-mail dump of all the involved TNR staffers, including Foer, to see how hared they actually did try to get in touch with the military. I'll bet the answer is, "not very." It does appear that the Army tried to keep this at a low level. One conversation Foer relates involved Beauchamp, his squad leader and a PAO. Foer also said he talked with the battalion exec whom Foer paints as essentially agreeing with Beauchamp that those things could have happened. I'd be interested in the major's response.

For now, I think Foer is just trying to stink up the Army so that it smells as bad as TNR does in this affair. Under the circumstances, that's an impossible task.

133 Ledger1  Sun, Dec 2, 2007 4:18:21am

re: #104 Thanos

And here I was hoping "folds" meant "goes under" -- "declares bankruptcy". I guess it's just moral not fiscal bankruptcy.

I wonder who will eat the financial loss.

I remember when public companies that missed their financial forecasts by a few pennies would be instantly sued by their owners.

There were certainly a lot of expenses to be paid. The employees did not work for free. Are not the owner’s going to be a bit displeased? Won’t they want some/all of their money back?

If not, I can only assume the company was set-up as closet “non-profit information” entity.

134 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Dec 2, 2007 8:43:28am

re: #43 doriangrey

re: #34 Luigi


Twenty -- count them -- Twenty

Muslims in jailed teacher protest
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]



British Muslims protested outside the Sudanese Embassy over the treatment of jailed teacher Gillian Gibbons.The small but noisy group demanded the immediate release of Mrs Gibbons, who is currently serving a 15-day prison sentence in Sudan after her class of seven-year-olds named a teddy bear Mohammed.
Chanting "free, free Gillian" and "let her go, let her go", demonstrators attempted to hand over a "goodwill teddy" to the embassy, but a staff member refused to accept the gift.

Some 20 British Muslims, including ...


And sometime next week the headline will be Some 20 British Muslims were murdered for failing to be properly insulted by a teddy bear named Mohammad, oh and for the obvious apostasy.

At Ummah.com the sentiment is running 100% against the prosecution of the teacher. Credit where credit is due.

135 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 2, 2007 12:39:23pm

Is the 14-page apologetic also in the print version? (I so, I will be sorely tempted to shoplift a copy, just for spite.)

136 looking closely  Mon, Dec 3, 2007 7:57:52am

This is weaselly claptrap. 14 pages of blame. . .then in the "punchline" Foer STILL doesn't even concede that Beauchamp's stories are false. The man simply won't go on record saying TNR was had.

Foer, repeat after me:

Based on thorough investigation, we now know these stories to be false. Though many individuals share blame for this episode, as editor in charge, ultimately I take responsibility for their publication.

I apologize to the readers of The New Republic, and to the American military, which was unfairly slandered by these sensationalist allegations.

I hereby tender my resignation as editor.


That's how you end things with integrity.
What did that take. . .three sentences?

137 looking closely  Mon, Dec 3, 2007 8:08:24am

re: #73 MandyManners

HARRY REID HAS SEX WITH GOATS!


This is an honest misunderstanding. Within the Democrat party, that sort of activity isn't considered "sexual relations".


Back on topic, this whole non-apology by Foer, as well the rest of this fiasco reeks of lawyerly intervention. But even so, I'm still perplexed as to why he still has his job.

Perhaps he knows where a few of the proverbial bodies are buried. Or perhaps the TNR brass is going to "Rather" him out the door in 6 months, so as to draw less attention to the scandal.


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