A new term: "Khartoum Syndrome."

Total miscarriage of justice. What a travesty. She should have been held to account.

/Muslims

AM I NOT MERCIFUL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

And I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that Brit Muslims only protested out of sheer embarrassment. (and because she ain't Juden)

From the previous thread:

Gillian Gibbons, imprisoned and threatened by angry mobs for allowing her students to name a teddy bear “Muhammad,” says she wants to stay in Sudan.

I have sympathy for her, obviously, but she's heading toward Robert-Fisk-dom and Stockholm-bank-hostage-land.

I am shocked . . . that they even allowed children to see a teddy bear.

If she bugs out, it was just to get the hell out-a-dodge.
If she stays she a dhimmi.

hopefully nothing will happen to the students.

Charles, people have been submitting funny mockups of "Mohammed Bears" to the Mohammed Image Archive. It's gonna be a long time before I find the time to put them in the Archive, but would you want them now because it's so timely? I can upload them or email them.

At least they didn't make her put on a leisure suit and pose for pictures at the airport.

CBS’s Pelley: American Barbarians Have 'Driven Out' Iraqi Christians

Gillian Gibbons’ conviction under Sudan’s Islamic Sharia law shocked Britons and many Muslims worldwide.

They were shocked that the mask of taqiyaa was allowed to slip so far! It made the whole "religion of peace" thing hard to push.

Perhaps we should send them a shipment of Teddy Pigs.

Reminds me of the heroic British navy. All that's missing is the smarmy speech by Ampehdpehdhed praising her "vacation".

Still has "great respect for Islam"?

well of course she does ...or else!

i hope this incident has shown her and others the true beauty of the Religion of peace.
how tolerant and peaceful this volitile religion of peace actually is ?

does anyone still believe this nonsense?

demanding the execution of someone who admittedly mad an innocent mistake?

Islam is and always was a thrill kill machine and its' positive public image is getting tarnished more and more everyday and with every insanity purpetrated by the zombie like hatefilled minions of Mo.

the sooner we ALL accept the truth about Islam the sooner we can make smarter decisions on how to deal with it decisively.

Seething fatwa forthcoming.

Palestinian Arab Leaders To Ask for $5.5 Billion

OK, we sat with them, NOW PAY UP!

Some other lizard said this days ago (sorry, I don't remember which one): I think the real offense here was that she had the kids vote on the name. Eeek! Democracy!

re: #15 Ranger_Joe

Perhaps we should send them a shipment of Teddy Pigs.

Mo bacon for me please.

She may need protection after getting back the the UK. The RoP will still try to lop off her head I fear.

Verry funny.

U.S. evangelist launches swine attack on Muslims

re: #14 Lizard by the Bay

Gillian Gibbons’ conviction under Sudan’s Islamic Sharia law shocked Britons and many Muslims worldwide.

They were shocked that the mask of taqiyaa was allowed to slip so far! It made the whole "religion of peace" thing hard to push.

Maybe Muslims were shocked by how light the punishment was?

(Sigh)

Ms. Gibbons now has to watch her 6 for the rest of her life, or not say what she really thinks, or both, because of the cumulative years of the failure of the West, not making these fear-projecting islamics fear us instead.

The politicians and governments here, owe Ms. Gibbons an apology, wether she knows it or not.

"Gillian should never have been arrested in the first place, let alone held in jail - she had done nothing wrong"

Inayat Bunglawala
Muslim Council of Britain

Zom, have you seen this editorial cartoon...

re: #19 Ben Hur

Palestinian Arab Leaders To Ask for $5.5 Billion

OK, we sat with them, NOW PAY UP!

Well that's not that much, it's only about a buck for each of their citizens.

/CAIR-style counting

re: #17 moblows

Still has "great respect for Islam"?

well of course she does ...or else!

i hope this incident has shown her and others the true beauty of the Religion of peace.
how tolerant and peaceful this volitile religion of peace actually is ?

does anyone still believe this nonsense?

demanding the execution of someone who admittedly mad an innocent mistake?

Islam is and always was a thrill kill machine and its' positive public image is getting tarnished more and more everyday and with every insanity purpetrated by the zombie like hatefilled minions of Mo.

the sooner we ALL accept the truth about Islam the sooner we can make smarter decisions on how to deal with it decisively.

#120 Ben Hur 11/29/07 12:15:22 pm reply quote report 0

I'm sure when she returns she'll be touting the wonderful culture and wonderful people...

They make it too easy...

re: #15 Ranger_Joe

Perhaps we should send them a shipment of Teddy Pigs.

Teddy pigs? Stuffed Democrat senators from Massachusetts?

Darwin has been foiled again, Gillian on way back to UK. But is she safe there?

Looks like Ramos & Compean may escape their 'justice'...

Federal prosecutors may have overreacted in their case against two former Border Patrol agents serving lengthy prison terms for shooting a Mexican drug dealer and trying to cover it up, an appeals court judge said Monday, according to the Associated Press.

Judge E. Grady Jolly, one of three judges from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals hearing the case of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, questioned whether the two agents would have been charged if they had reported the shooting, the story said.

“For some reason, this one got out of hand, it seems to me,” Jolly said of the agents’ prosecution.

Compean’s lawyer, Bob Baskett, said he was encouraged by the judges comments.

Ya think?

This has been an attack on the freedom of speech of everyone on the planet.

CNN is reporting that a disgruntled former school employee whipped up this whole affair.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Reading up on Sarah Khawad is reminding me of all of the so-called sharia justice on the streets of islamic countries where a false story might easily lead to someone's confrontation by religious police and the mob.
A quick, on site trial, conviction and execution often follows.

Some Muslims really know how to game sharia.

Wake up

re: #31 Jonas Parker

re: #15 Ranger_Joe

Perhaps we should send them a shipment of Teddy Pigs.

Teddy pigs? Stuffed drunk Democrat senators from Massachusetts?

"And now we go live to the New York city offices of Amnesty International where spokeswoman Sunbeam Harvest Smythe-Jones is standing by for an official statement regarding the treatment of Ms. Gibbons:"

-crickets-

I heard some people in Alabamistan got upset over a teddy bear named Bryant once.
//

re: #35 mean Gene

CNN is reporting that a disgruntled former school employee whipped up this whole affair.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Reading up on Sarah Khawad is reminding me of all of the so-called sharia justice on the streets of islamic countries where a false story might easily lead to someone's confrontation by religious police and the mob.
A quick, on site trial, conviction and execution often follows.

Some Muslims really know how to game sharia.

I saw that earlier and was looking for that story. Thought I had seen it on BBC.

re: #3 Iron Fist

That's what I've been saying for a while now. She's not safe no matter what country she ends up in.

Islamists aren't going to sit still. They will whine, seethe, and fatwas formed on Friday.

Seething muslim of the day...

Professor portrayed online as pimp

HALIFAX – A Halifax professor who was portrayed as a pimp in an online video said today he was the victim of a hate crime based on his Islamic faith.

Halifax police have been asked to investigate the video, which was posted last week on the popular Internet site, YouTube.

"It's a hate crime, defamation based on a religion and race," the Dalhousie University professor, who asked not to be named, said in an interview.

re: #9 deacon

hopefully nothing will happen to the students.

Only the usual round of beatings and abuse

From article.

Gibbons also sent a written statement to al-Bashir that she did not intend to offend anyone and had great respect for Islam.

Must have been that very sharp and raised scimitar getting held by the guy behind her that focused her mind onto writing such a wholeheartedly heartfelt statement.

This whole incident wasn't necessarily a bad thing. It seemed to have wide coverage in the press- it was even covered in detail on our blissfully ignorant local Fox affiliate-and perhaps, just perhaps, it opened the eyes of some to the true nature of Islam.

re: #39 savage_nation

Well, it lists the Skeptics Annotated Quran.
I use that all the time.
But stay away from the discussion board there.
So-called skeptics, atheists and agnostics are the biggest apologists for Islam and all of its very worst doings that I have ever seen!
Not surprising, though.
Long ago the Belmont Club wrote "The Ichneumon Wasp," about the leftist/islamist alliance. [Link: belmontclub.blogspot.com...]

Yeah maybe it's even helpful this all happened, in the big picture.

But really, can a kafir really be innocent of anything, once accused by a Muslim?

re: #46 shibumi

That will last for all of 24-48 hours, and then slip back out of the collective conscience. Until the next time.

Then it's rinse and repeat.

Shock, anger, dismay, claims for change, and then more of the same. Back into denial and avoidance.

It will take more than this incident, or that of the Saudi gang rape verdict to get people to realize the misogynistic nature of the Islamists, and 7th Century take on law and order.

I, for one, do not intend to change my nic. Allayou AckBear!

Good, she is out...crazy Muslims...afraid of teddy bears...

re: #19 Ben Hur

Palestinian Arab Leaders To Ask for $5.5 Billion

OK, we sat with them, NOW PAY UP!

5.5 BILLION? They can go to hell before we give up that much...

Re: #11 Zombie

Please, Charles, take Zombie up on his offer. I'd love to see the Mohammed bears.

I'm still waiting for repudiation of this incident from "mainstream" American Muzzlem organizations...

CAIR?

(chirp)

MSA?

(chirp)

ADC?

(chirp)

you get it.

Melanie Phillips tells it like it (sadly) is, as usual:

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

As she states, the British should have immediately expelled the Sudanese ambassador and frozen any and all aid. But, just as in the kidnapping of the Royal Marines by Iran, all they can do is issue bland pronouncements and bend over.

We are entering into dark times...just today, an intelligent senor colleague of mine, who read America Alone (which I gave him) and admits it's correct, tells me he can't wait to elect Democrats in 2008.

re: #13 Ben Hur

CBS’s Pelley: American Barbarians Have 'Driven Out' Iraqi Christians

he needs to go read some articles by Michael Yon.

Universal Orlando Resorts Drops 'Savage Nation' Ads

re: #57 Darwin Akbar

Melanie Phillips tells it like it (sadly) is, as usual:

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

As she states, the British should have immediately expelled the Sudanese ambassador and frozen any and all aid. But, just as in the kidnapping of the Royal Marines by Iran, all they can do is issue bland pronouncements and bend over.

We are entering into dark times...just today, an intelligent senor colleague of mine, who read America Alone (which I gave him) and admits it's correct, tells me he can't wait to elect Democrats in 2008.

I started reading that a while back...havent had time with class and work to finish it, but with classes almost done for the year, hope to finish it soon...

It sounds like Gillian Gibbons is a moonbat (one wonders why she wanted to teach in Sudan to begin with). My wife's family has a distant relative who is in Mauritania dispensing medical aid. They picked it because it's the poorest country in the world (according to them--I have no idea). When my wife's mom asked them about the book by Bat Y'eor (sp?) they said she was just being "divisive". Dhimmis to the max, and I assume most Western do-gooders in dar-al-islam are also.

Laugh at Sudan

re: #55 savage_nation

its "ordnance"

Spell check won't correct it

re: #51 Mohammed T. Bear

COOL S.N. AND I NOTICE YOU JOINED WAY BACK IN 04

re: #19 Ben Hur

Palestinian Arab Leaders To Ask for $5.5 Billion

OK, we sat with them, NOW PAY UP!

We ought to ask Fatah to repay all the money we sent to Arafat to rebuild Palestine, first.

I only wish the MSM would cover ALL the stories like this. ('til they ran out of paper and/or time). People are just beginning to wake up. Will they go back to sleep?
Not if I can help it. In fact, I have my final project for a graduate class entitled "Religion and Violence" tomorrow night. I have 35 minutes to convince a class mostly full of potential dhimmis that they need to understand the exact nature of the ROP.

Naturally, the syllabus was geared to show the evils of the west (crusades, manifest destiny, WWI, WWIIIraq, etc. etc.).

I have a little surprise. The prof. will not like it, but I hope my presentation is so well put together and delivered even he will recognize.

In any case, some things are more important that grades.

Say Hey Folks,

Ya know what? I'm at the " I give a fuck about this asshole" stage. She went to the Sudan for some moonbat "teach the children" fantasy, and at the first minuscule transgression these ignorant bastards swooped down on her wanting to flog and imprison her, yet she regrets not being able to stay!

What the Fuck is the matter with this asshole?!?!?!?

Maybe it would have enlightened her about islam if she had been flogged, and imprisoned, with all that that implies (rape and torture, off the top of my head), and she might have had an epiphany, and decided that perhaps, just perhaps, she didn't regret leaving the Sudan.

Dumb fucking bitch! And she's UGGGHHLY!

re: #11 zombie

WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ZOMBIE
besides i renamed all my wife's teddies Muhammad except for the kind from victoria secret

re: #51 Mohammed T. Bear

I, for one, do not intend to change my nic. Allayou AckBear!

Allayou Ackbear...too funny!

re: #63 savage_nation

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Universal Orlando Resorts Drops 'Savage Nation' Ads

CAIR is running scared at the upcoming lawsuit...

heh.

I think it was Mark Steyn who said that they're not really capable of being offended by us in the way we understand. To be offended you have to hold the origin of the offense in some kind of regard. They hold us in utter contempt.
What they want is for us to be afraid and compliant. To do that they will feign offense at every little thing that occurs to them.
Am I alone in thinking that Gillian was set up from the very beginning? A bunch of 10 year olds growing up in Sudan probably knew very well what would happen.

re: #31 Jonas Parker

re: #15 Ranger_Joe

Perhaps we should send them a shipment of Teddy Pigs.

Teddy pigs? Stuffed Democrat senators from Massachusetts?

Along with a case of Spam!

re: #42 lawhawk

re: #3 Iron Fist

That's what I've been saying for a while now. She's not safe no matter what country she ends up in.

Islamists aren't going to sit still. They will whine, seethe, and fatwas formed on Friday.

Can you imagine the outrage of the world towards Muslims if she is murdered?

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Universal Orlando Resorts Drops 'Savage Nation' Ads

Did you see who was listed as condemming Savage in the release? Media Matters and CAIR.
'nuff said
Time to do a little research on this group hate Hurts America. I already know it is liberal since it's web extension is org. Seems to be a pretty good way of determing which way a organization leans just like knowing if no political affilitation is in a news story about some politician in trouble it is a safe bet they are a Dem.

send them a bunch of toy pigs named Muhammed --sit back and watch the fun

re: #74 ibn abu

I think it was Mark Steyn who said that they're not really capable of being offended by us in the way we understand. To be offended you have to hold the origin of the offense in some kind of regard. They hold us in utter contempt.
What they want is for us to be afraid and compliant. To do that they will feign offense at every little thing that occurs to them.
Am I alone in thinking that Gillian was set up from the very beginning? A bunch of 10 year olds growing up in Sudan probably knew very well what would happen.

I hadn't thought of that but you are probaly correct. At 10 yrs. old, they would know the diff. between halal and haram when naming toys.

re: #60 mad_scientist

I believe that Mark Steyn is one of the five or six smartest people in the Western Hemisphere (with Victor Davis Hanson also included within that group), and America Alone could be the most important book of the last several years.
Moreover, it was published before Cartoon Jihad, Pope Jihad, Teddy Bear jihad, Taxi Cab jihad, and the countless other incidents of Creeping Sharia and Western fecklessness in the face of a relentless and ruthless enemy.

Every week, I send out a "Mark-Steyn- I- told-you-so" story to my friends.

I encourage you to read it and pass it along...I have distributed at least two dozen copies and plan to keep trying.

Everybody here is talking about how violent Islam is and I just want to tell you about when I had to admit that its true. Remember when the Danes printed the cartoons of Mohameds image and inflamed the whole Islamic world? Well there were protests and marches all over their world and that was cool. Except that a few of these protests turned violent. They just turned around and started slaughtering each other. Then they started setting fire to everything, My wife and I were just sitting there watching this in total disbelief. We both thought they were pissed-off at the Danes so why were they murdering each other. It beats me. I pictured some Muslim family in the streets in front of their burned-out home in Pakistan and the father saying, BOY WE TAUGHT THOSE DANES A LESSON THEY WON'T SOON FORGET.

Every company that drops it's advertising from Savage Nation will be boycotted by me and my family.

And I'm not a Savage Nation radio show fan or listener.

KEEP
IT
UP,
R

re: #76 born again republican

About the same as when Theo Van Gogh was murdered, which is to say - not much.

re: #76 born again republican

Can you imagine the outrage of the world towards Muslims if she is murdered?

It didn't do much in the Netherlands when Van Gogh was murdered. I doubt there'll be much more outcry if that happens to this poor (and probably very misguided) lady.

re: #84 lawhawk

re: #76 born again republican

About the same as when Theo Van Gogh was murdered, which is to say - not much.

Correctamundo

Si if the Sudan is going to educate all westerners who come to the country so that they will understand the values of the Sudan why can't we do the same? We can initiate Muslims to our values:

i.e. no female mutilation
equal rights for women
freedom of speech
no beating up of policemen
no veils
no arranged marriages
no honor killings
diversity of religions
they are not in an Islam world anymore
people are equal not dhimmies
seeing eye dogs and people traveling with their dogs and people traveling with alcohol have the right to travel
people have the right to like pigs
poeple ahve the right to eat pork
stuffed animals are not idols nor are they animals
don't burn our flag and then tell us not to burn your flag
no slaves
if you need to wash your fee 6 times a day solve the problem yourself
medical doctors and dentists treat all patients, male and female
ob doctors help with childbirth

anyone want to add to the list?

re: #80 Darwin Akbar

Gave the book to my dad a few months ago, will have to ask him if he finished reading it yet. What I did finish scared the heck out of me though...all that about fertility rates of the western democracies, along with old europe, russia and japan. Couple that with the fertility rate of muslim countries around the world and in a genertation or 2 we will be overrun...

Her release came after two British Muslim politicians from the House of Lords met with Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir early Monday to plead for her freedom.

"Let the kuffar go free, Ahmed. England's Europe's almost ours. We musn't wake the slumbering infidels..."

Ya know. If you think about all the toothless, lice-infested, rent-a-mob scumbags named Mohammed, you would think a teddy bear would be a welcome change. Just considering . . .

re: #83 Render

Every company that drops it's advertising from Savage Nation will be boycotted by me and my family.

And I'm not a Savage Nation radio show fan or listener.

KEEP
IT
UP,
R

it just goes to show how a small gorup with a fancy name can blackmail large corporations. If the businesses had taken 10 minutes, like I did to see who is organizing this "boycott" they would have told them to go piss up a rope.
Corporate America can make some real stupid calls.

re: #83 Render

Every company that drops it's advertising from Savage Nation will be boycotted by me and my family.

And I'm not a Savage Nation radio show fan or listener.

KEEP
IT
UP,
R

Ditto that (am a Savage listener)

re: #81 savage_nation

re: #76 born again republican

re: #42 lawhawk

re: #3 Iron Fist

That's what I've been saying for a while now. She's not safe no matter what country she ends up in.

Islamists aren't going to sit still. They will whine, seethe, and fatwas formed on Friday.

Can you imagine the outrage of the world towards Muslims if she is murdered?

Wont be a peep about it, I think.

Well that doesn't make sense given all uproar over her being imprisoned.

I only know the name. I have never listened to his show or know much about him other then the headline the other day where he is filing a lawsuit against CAIR, one of the very groups pressuring these businesses to drop as sponsors.

re: #89 GreenSoccer

Si if the Sudan is going to educate all westerners who come to the country so that they will understand the values of the Sudan why can't we do the same? We can initiate Muslims to our values:

i.e. no female mutilation
equal rights for women
freedom of speech
no beating up of policemen
no veils
no arranged marriages
no honor killings
diversity of religions
they are not in an Islam world anymore
people are equal not dhimmies
seeing eye dogs and people traveling with their dogs and people traveling with alcohol have the right to travel
people have the right to like pigs
poeple ahve the right to eat pork
stuffed animals are not idols nor are they animals
don't burn our flag and then tell us not to burn your flag
no slaves
if you need to wash your fee 6 times a day solve the problem yourself
medical doctors and dentists treat all patients, male and female
ob doctors help with childbirth

anyone want to add to the list?

No slavery
No chopping (hands feet, etc.)
No bombs
No child marriages
Piggy banks are OK
Teaching holocaust is ok
No car-b-cues
Toilets facing East are ok
just to name a few...

re: #19 Ben Hur

Palestinian Arab Leaders To Ask for $5.5 Billion

OK, we sat with them, NOW PAY UP!

OT, I know, but what would happen if France, England and the US told the Paleos that there would not be another penny until they shaped up . . . and then stuck with that? I would think they would suddenly have a change of attitude. Unfortunately, no one in any of the three mentioned governments has any sense, brains or guts. We are giving money to clowns with guns and bombs . . . literally.

re: #57 Darwin Akbar

For anybody who follows the current state of UK politics can understand why a lot of us here are disenfranchised with the political process. Melanie puts briliantly what is wrong with the present government:

Our Government doesn’t seem to have a clue. Faced with the shrewd adversary of a global Islamism that thinks strategically and plays the longest game in the world, Britain appears to be in a kind of trance.

To use the oft-quoted phrase, these people have a dark-ages mentality but they have access to very modern and destructive weaponry.

re: #89 GreenSoccer

Large buildings with people in them shall remain standing

re: #68 Glackinspeil

I wish you luck, Glackinspeil - you'll need it!

re: #96 born again republican

I expect she is, in fact, safe. Assuming she doesn't engage in any publicly un-dhimmilike activity, they could give two shits about her as an individual. This was never about her, this was about flexing the muscle of the ummah and showing us that anything but utter subservience would create anger in the "street".

re: #102 Ojoe

re: #89 GreenSoccer

Large buildings with people in them shall remain standing

Camels / goats that have been sodomized may not be sold to anyone!

#71 Yochanan

i renamed all my wife's teddies Muhammad except for the kind from victoria secret

Smart move. It would spoil the mood if you had to say "Hey, honey, I would love it if you would wear the pink Mohammed with the black lace."

Gibbons also sent a written statement to al-Bashir that she did not intend to offend anyone and had great respect for is frightened of Islam, like a good little slave.

Fixed for accuracy.

re: #103 Pyrocles

Thanks, I know. I have a strong finish. I was going to go with a stoning video but decided for the 'gaza kindergarten graduation' instead.
No blood, but I still cry when I watch it.

re: #98 Glackinspeil

you stay were you are and we will stay were we are
kafir countries for kafir

re: #96 born again republican

Where's the ongoing uproar over the Saudi verdict on the victim of the gang rape receiving 200 lashes? It's faded into the background noise. Nothing has changed - she's still going to get the lashes.

This too will fade into the background within a day or two. But Gibbons will be wise to watch her back because some Islamist is likely to remind her that she violated Sharia and must be held to account.

wonder if this guy is a distant relation of the British teacher.

To quote the article:

When a lesbian couple asked Andy Bathie for a sperm donation, they assured him that would be the end of his parental duties.

But the women have since separated - and he is being ordered to pay for their children's upbringing.

Wit a muppet.

Anyone remember "Osama bin Duck from a couple of years ago?

Osama bin Duck

Next time I'll have them do it with an Allah Bear, or a Muhammed Monkey.

And, we need BIGGER fire crackers!

re: #113 lawhawk

she will be dead before she gets to the 200th lash

re: #116 yochanan

re: #113 lawhawk

she will be dead before she gets to the 200th lash

They do not do them all at once. It is on the installment plan.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

National Review Online has some excellent comments on the "Teddy Bear Intifada" by Bat Ye'or, Victor Davis Hanson, Paul Marshall, Dan Pipes and others.

Not Child's Play
The teddy-bear intifada.

An NRO Symposium

Editor’s note: There is rioting in Sudanese streets calling for the death of a woman over a teddy bear named Mohammed. What can we in the West possibly do with this — nationally, individually? How do we help? What must we learn from it? National Review Online asked a group of experts and commentators.

Next time Sudan needs famine relief I suggest we load up a C-17 and air drop cases of spam and stuffed piglet dolls for the kiddies.

re: #47 mean Gene

re: #39 savage_nation

Well, it lists the Skeptics Annotated Quran.
I use that all the time.
But stay away from the discussion board there.
So-called skeptics, atheists and agnostics are the biggest apologists for Islam and all of its very worst doings that I have ever seen!
[Link: belmontclub.blogspot.com...]

Don't over-generalize. Our lizard master is an agnostic. Essay-blogger Steven den Beste (whose weblog [Link: www.denbeste.nu...] is now dormant because of health problems) is an atheist, and anything BUT an apologist for Islamism.

Den Beste once wrote that there are two kinds of atheists: the ones for whom "G-d does not exist" is a working hypothesis, and the ones for who "G-d does not exist" is religious dogma. The latter kind is often so blinded by their hatred for Western religions that they are tempted to play the "enemy of my enemy" game.

Islam is the only cult in which they hold people who don't even follow their religion accountable for slights on their religion.
When was the last time you heard of a Jew castigating a Catholic for not understanding some aspect of their religion?
How about Baptists threatening the Pope because his stance on some issue is an "insult" to Baptists?
C'mon people look at it. Muslims believe we should all be experts on their cult. They give no slack for the fact that the closet you have been to a Muslim is watching a video of them rioting in the street.

Melanie is totally correct.

The fact that Britain has an embassy, and diplomatic relations with Sudan should be enough to wake our society but it does not.

Moreover, the fact this was handled by:

Her release came after two British Muslim politicians from the House of Lords met with Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir early Monday to plead for her freedom

.

Should be the clarion call for anyone who has a shred of hope for remaining in a western style civilization. It screams that this nation has no intention of respecting the kuffar, they feel emboldened enough to pull this shit, and then having the ikwan plead for the infidel's life as an act of piety. It places Britain, and her stature as a nation of the world in a subordinate position.

With all the calls from her own fellow nationals criticizing her even going there, but refusing to acknowledge keeping diplomatic relations, speaks of ignorance on a multitude of levels.

I had an interesting conversation today with a Brit who is working here in the states. I can't help but feel the majority of Brits are marching lock-step to their own demise.

This is not good.

Not good at all.

re: #113 lawhawk

re: #96 born again republican

Where's the ongoing uproar over the Saudi verdict on the victim of the gang rape receiving 200 lashes? It's faded into the background noise. Nothing has changed - she's still going to get the lashes.

This too will fade into the background within a day or two. But Gibbons will be wise to watch her back because some Islamist is likely to remind her that she violated Sharia and must be held to account.

That was a woman in her own country. What can anyone do except condemn the Saudis loudly around the world. But for Gibbons to go back to England and the Muslims murder her there, well that demands more than loud condemnation. If it fades, the world deserves whatever these radicals have in store for us.

re: #112 yochanan

re: #98 Glackinspeil

you stay were you are and we will stay were we are
kafir countries for kafir

Agreed. Is that likely to happen? No. What about the ones already here? Do you have an answer for that? Infiltrate and surveil mosques? Only state appointed imams? No wahabi money allowed? All would help but will any be applied in US? No.

We are in a catch 22. What happens when you tolerate the intolerant?

I am doing my part! (see post # 68)

re: #112 yochanan

re: #98 Glackinspeil

you stay were you are and we will stay were we are
kafir countries for kafir

Do you mean "kufar" (Arabic for unbeliever) or "kaffir" (South African epithet for Black, "kaffer" in Dutch and Afrikaans)? I do hope the former ...

You got to love MSM take on this. First it was 1000's of angry Sudanese protesting now it's some Sudanese we're angered.
I don't watch much MSM, only tune in when I want to see if they're covering something I've seen on-line, so I very well could of missed all the news coverage of the many muslims worldwide standing up for her. I did however hear about the 20 or so in the UK, of course that was here at LGF.
This story will soon be swept under the rug by MSM, and people will once again forget.

re: #122 formercorpsman

I can assure you a lot of Brits are not marching to their demise. There's no doubt through the actions of our government that the sh!t will hit the fan big time but we'll get through it.

Hard-line Muslim clerics in Sudan accused her of intentionally seeking to insult Islam’s Prophet Muhammad

"Hard-line"? Hard line on what? On being assholes?

and the case angered some Sudanese, sparking a protest where demonstrators called for her execution.

With thinking like that, those Sudanese deserve to live in a backwards, uneducated, poverty-stricken culture. May they all beat the crap out of each other, and may all British teachers stay in Britain.

Gibbons also sent a written statement to al-Bashir that she did not intend to offend anyone and had great respect for Islam.

What a kiss-ass. Great respect for what?! If Islam, in general, worldwide, were deserving of respect, then Muslims, worldwide, would be calling this incident a ludicrous travesty. There'd be protests at LEAST as virulent as those that erupt after the slightest little twinge from a non-Muslim. But they don't. And so Islam, all of it, is dishonored by this incident, and should NOT be respected when they go nuts about being "offended" about this little thing or another. Their "offense" should be obvious to EVERYONE by now: That their "offense" is used as a weapon, by the Muslim gang, to try to intimidate others. That's ALL there is to it. They have NO other standard, than to try to get everyone else to kiss their rear ends. To which I say, go kiss it yourself.

Wow. Did I really say that? Yeah, I guess I did...

I'm sort of disappointed in the Sudanese.

Those 40 lashes might have focused her mind.

re: #124 Glackinspeil

re: #112 yochanan

re: #98 Glackinspeil
What happens when you tolerate the intolerant?

In response to a similar conundrum:

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact." (Robert H. Jackson)

I've made the following analogy before: while racism is a political form of autoimmune disease (healthy tissue getting attacked/destroyed by an immune system gone wild), kneejerk, unthinking multi-culturalism is a form of political AIDS.

I just hope that she does not participate in a press conference to tell us how nice they were to her in captivity, you know good food & all.
And for God sake , get to a dentist

re: #98 Glackinspeil

Thanks. I guess I would add:
if you shoot a policeman expect to be shot
if you rape our women and children we will get angry
if you kill our teenagers likewise we will get angry
we will eat during your fast periods
we expect to see your face if you are having a photo taken for ID for a driving license ...
we expect to see your face if you are boarding a plan
if you are wearing a great big amorphous mumu type dress expect to be patted down
we expect to see your face if you are giving testimony or if you are on a jury
we expect to see your face if you are entering a bank, or taking an exam, or teaching
if you prostrate yourself in front of our locker at a gym, we will be exasperated

When are people in the West going to riot about the disrespect shown our Teddy Bears? Teddy Bears have been insulted!

re: #123 born again republican

Okay, where's the ongoing condemnation for the fact that Salman Rushdie still lives with a fatwa on him for writing the Satanic Verses? That's barely a blip on the radar.

re: #122 formercorpsman

Blame it on the Germans and Hitler. They started two world wars with Britain and killed two generations of men and left the boys fatherless, and all because of envy over Britain's empire. It took the Anglo Saxon to kill the Anglo Saxon.

re: #70 savage_nation

re: #65 yochanan

re: #51 Mohammed T. Bear

COOL S.N. AND I NOTICE YOU JOINED WAY BACK IN 04

I actually found LGF the week of Sept 11, 2001. I've been here a long time before registration...

Was there an event in 2004 when everyone had to register? That's what I vaguely recall...

I think it's safe to say that the super model is not crying because of this.

re: #130 Former Belgian

Nice analogy. A friend of mine has a PHD in Ethics and is a multi-culture-relativist. I put this to him: So if head-hunters from Borneo move to NYC, should they be allowed to practice their religion? Are not all beliefs as valid as the next?

/ Crickets and head-nodding

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey
Whew, you had me worried there!

Pat Condell gets stuck into the teddygate fiasco.

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

Methinks Bunglewah is up to mischief again...

re: #127 cagney

Cagney, please don't take my post as a denial of British fortitude or the fact that many Brits do see the problem, nor ad hominem slander.

I feel the same way about the U.S.

At times, I just can't process the magnitude of our unwillingness to accept the wolf growling at the door. I am old enough to remember Reagan & Thatcher, and the fact that at one time, those nations, at the forefront of freedom, were not afraid to denounce nations like the Soviet Union, or mince words about what separates western society from the barbarity of others.

This guy today told me he was conservative, hated Blair but liked Clinton, (he thought Clinton was honest, and would answer any question given) thought Thatcher hurt the Birts more than helped, and made sure I understood that in his view, the islamic incursion could really be no different than the "Americans" and our pursuit of the North American continent. I did tell him that the Colonists came from somewhere, "ahem" and he then claimed it was only a small bit of land, and that we Americans pushed westward.

I realized this guy was an educated fellow, and if I tinted my glasses, perhaps I could see things his way, but it just seems that Europe has developed an ingrained hatred for itself, and will leads to her significant suffering, if not total war.

With a billion muslims softly supporting islam, by virtue of looking the other way, or ambivalence towards this stuff in Sudan, combined with an apathetic Europe, I can only hope Europe has the will to live when the shit does hit the fan.

re: #68 Glackinspeil

Show the movie Obsession.

re: #102 Ojoe

Thanks for the laugh!

re: #135 GreenSoccer

Green, that is a summary of events, however, there were many things that contribute to this.

Total war was a bitch, and I could see why Europe would do anything at all costs to avoid more war.

If it was contained to say just a nation, I would feel better.

We are talking more than a billion people who adhere to an ideology transcending nations, leaders, even armies.

They casually dismiss the acts of barbarism as allah willing things so, but have an active role in seeking the decay of anything outside of islam.

Thinking about this on a macro level is daunting.

Sorry if I am in a defeatist mood today.

Another classic case of "Biting The Hand That Feeds You" and then some fools wonder why the muslim world is so backwards. This teacher was in their savage country, probably living in primitive conditions, and trying to help their children. The thanks she gets are the barbarians' demands that she be killed and she'll now never feel safe for the rest of her life.

re: #143 formercorpsman

With a billion muslims softly supporting islam, by virtue of looking the other way, or ambivalence towards this stuff in Sudan, combined with an apathetic Europe, I can only hope Europe has the will to live when the shit does hit the fan.

There are plenty of Europeans who have the will to live. People here are waking up to the danger, despite the frantic efforts of our politicians to keep the ugly truth about this invasion of barbarians under wraps.

Islam is not compatible with freedom of any kind. Not political, not religious, not individual. Islam will not withdraw voluntarily from Europe. In the end, Europeans are not going to submit to the moon god and all the stupid rigmarole that entails. The only conclusion is that if we want to be free, we will have to fight. Bloodshed is coming to Europe once again.

Gibbons also sent a written statement to al-Bashir that she did not intend to offend anyone and had great respect for Islam.

They frightened her but good.
What a farce this whole thing was. And to think someone like Philip Pullman actually gets any press coverage at all and he's a spiteful hack whom some think presses the buttons of the "religious right".

re: #98 Glackinspeil

I forgot
killing of gays is not Ok
killing of Jews is not OK
killing of Christians is not OK
killing of Buddhists is not OK
killing of Confucians is not Ok
killing of atheists is not Ok
killing of Hindus is not OK
killing of Sikhs is not Ok
killing of moderate Mulsims is not OK
killing of people with fatwahs on them is not OK

Jews are allowed to wear skullcaps.
Christians are allowed to wear crosses.

:pops in after many months of lurking & no commenting

Has ANYONE brought this up:

What do you think would have happened had Ms. Gibbons said "No, students, you can NOT name the bear after your beloved prophet!"

I have read each thread on this, (d/l-ed from library, read at home on my sans-net PC) and have not seen this question raised.

The answer is: the same exact faux outrage would have happened.
"Daddy, the mean infidel teacher wouldn't let us name the teddy bear after the beloved prophet!"...followed by insta-riots and seething.

--
Also, since I plan on behaving as I have been, not commenting for months, since what I think is generally posited by someone here eventually anyway, and since I have to use the public library internet...my 2 cents on the upcoming election. I will not vote for any candidate who repeats the Big Lie. (That is, Islam is peaceful, a 'great religion', etc. The taqiyya spewed by Rudy, by Bush, by Rice, by Hooper.) I may just end up not voting. So be it. Seriously. I will only vote for a candidate with balls. Give me a president with a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig named Mohammed. Not a taqiyya-regurgitator.
--

Been nice reading you all these past few months. I d/l and read about 10 big threads a week, for the last 5 months or so since I was last active here. Gawd I wish I had a connection at the apt. Probably is good I don't.
--
It bears (no pun intended) repeating: If she had denied the kiddos' request to name it after the Insane, Murderous, Posessed One (DPBUH Dog Poo be upon him), the outcome would have been the same, and I am surprised that no pundit in the known universe has mentioned this (that I am aware of.)
--

God Bless you all, stay vigilant.
--Taq

re: #148 infidel4ever

I agree with your post.
It makes me sad.

I know what the folks who had a clue in 1938 must have been feeling.

It just seems that this time around, there are too many Europeans not even on the fence, but willing to see their side as wrong.

I am not slamming Europe, I just think you are correct, it is coming, and it does not have to be that way.

I am going to request that the creators of South Park rename their Christmas Poo from Mr. Hankie to Mr Mohammed.

re: #143 formercorpsman

No offence taken.

We do have a knack for coming together when times gets tough, we've done it before and we'll do it again. My fear is that the inaction and moral irresponsibility of our government is driving ordinary decent people to the likes of the BNP. As you well know from previous threads, giving support to that lot is like throwing petrol on an already out of control fire.

Unfortunately, I've come across a few people over here with the mindset of the 'educated fellow' you worked with, typical pacifist moonbat, absolutely no logical coherence whatsoever, contradicting themselves several times after only uttering a few words.

re: #62 Ben Hur

Laugh at Sudan

Do you notice that the English guy on the rant keeps complaining that Sudan is debasing their own religion by doing this? As if Islam is some great, fine religion and they are just bringing it down.

He is obviously trying very hard to be (relatively) PC and not imply that there is anything wrong with Islam- just something wrong with Sudan.

re: #146 formercorpsman

I wasn't disagreeingwith you.

We need to get our self respect back. We have talk radio which the dems are determined to wipe out. The Left and George Soros is the enemy within, eating the pillars of our society and Israel's like termites.
For example, for the Israeli leaders to have been willing to accede to Condi Rice's request that they enter through tthe pantry doors because the Saudis did not want to touch doorknobs that Jews had touched... where was their self respect? Where was the statement screw them! Where was the statement that we are not attending a peace conference if we can't come in the front door?

For the korans in Guantanamo to be delivered by US soldiers wearing gloves with the koran on a pillow or hung in the jail cell from a plastic bag so that it was not touched by a kafir... where is the self respect? Where is the message this is the koran you get, touched by us since we are delivering it to you here in jail. If you don't want it, that is your problem. This is the koran you get or nothing. Don't want it, that's fine by us. Why do we accede to their discrimination that we Americans or Israelis are unclean? Dhimmies dhimmies dhimmies all.

#68 Glackinspeil

Not if I can help it. In fact, I have my final project for a graduate class entitled "Religion and Violence" tomorrow night. I have 35 minutes to convince a class mostly full of potential dhimmis that they need to understand the exact nature of the ROP...

I have a little surprise. The prof. will not like it, but I hope my presentation is so well put together and delivered even he will recognize.

Wow. I wish you all the best and thanks for your courage. My daughter's in grad school and thankfully has found it to be pretty balanced - some profs are libs and others are conservative. Thus far, none have required their students to toe the party line.

Please give us an update after your presentation.

re: #68 Glackinspeil

I only wish the MSM would cover ALL the stories like this. ('til they ran out of paper and/or time). People are just beginning to wake up. Will they go back to sleep?
Not if I can help it. In fact, I have my final project for a graduate class entitled "Religion and Violence" tomorrow night. I have 35 minutes to convince a class mostly full of potential dhimmis that they need to understand the exact nature of the ROP.

Naturally, the syllabus was geared to show the evils of the west (crusades, manifest destiny, WWI, WWIIIraq, etc. etc.).

I have a little surprise. The prof. will not like it, but I hope my presentation is so well put together and delivered even he will recognize.

In any case, some things are more important that grades.

Please tell us how it turns out! Assuming we don't hear about it from a CAIR lawsuit first.

Medved played pieces from the The View with Whoppi Goldberg stating the things I mentioned were being said in this town... "Gibbons was culturally insensitive. After all they study our culture before coming here."
Wish it were so.
Wish everyone was like Ayaan.

re: #155 funkyfantom

He probably toned things down due to the Religious hatred act passed recently over here.

re: #125 Former Belgian

infadels, the other terms i have never even heard of.

re: #160 cagney

No he got genuinely upset that people were making references to Britain having lost the crown jewels.

re: #161 yochanan

it is spelled infidel.

re: #163 GreenSoccer

skool marms will be beheaded at dawn.

re: #152 formercorpsman

re: #148 infidel4ever

I agree with your post.
It makes me sad.

I know what the folks who had a clue in 1938 must have been feeling.

It just seems that this time around, there are too many Europeans not even on the fence, but willing to see their side as wrong.

I am not slamming Europe, I just think you are correct, it is coming, and it does not have to be that way.

How to prevent it at this stage?

re: #156 GreenSoccer

re: #146 formercorpsman

I wasn't disagreeingwith you.

We need to get our self respect back. We have talk radio which the dems are determined to wipe out. The Left and George Soros is the enemy within, eating the pillars of our society and Israel's like termites.
For example, for the Israeli leaders to have been willing to accede to Condi Rice's request that they enter through tthe pantry doors because the Saudis did not want to touch doorknobs that Jews had touched... where was their self respect? Where was the statement screw them! Where was the statement that we are not attending a peace conference if we can't come in the front door?

For the korans in Guantanamo to be delivered by US soldiers wearing gloves with the koran on a pillow or hung in the jail cell from a plastic bag so that it was not touched by a kafir... where is the self respect? Where is the message this is the koran you get, touched by us since we are delivering it to you here in jail. If you don't want it, that is your problem. This is the koran you get or nothing. Don't want it, that's fine by us. Why do we accede to their discrimination that we Americans or Israelis are unclean? Dhimmies dhimmies dhimmies all.

You are so right. What the h*ll is it that makes everybody grovel for these barbarians acting like spoilt children?

re: #166 infidel4ever

The head of All the ambassadors and diplomats of the US government, the head of the state department, the representative of the president of the US in the year 2007, a Black woman who claims she knows discrimination, and she thinks it's OK to ask Jews not to use the front door? Where's the outrage? Where's the ACLU? etc

The entry reads Gillian Gibbons has made the proper obeisances and received a pardon for her heinous teddy bear blasphemy, and is on her way home to Britain: and could have been addended with . . . where she will also have to observe Sharia law in a few years.

let what happened to gillian be alesson to all who delude themselves in to thinking they an make a difference in the lives of kids of these kinds of countries,,, dont go there, and stop being a leftist into thinking these people want and need westerners help with anything, they dont want any ones help period! these stupid fucking blimeys... serves them right for getting in the way of these islamist muthafuckers...they dont give a shit about anyone but themselves, they do not want to be your friends people! get it? good...
if you always do what you did youll always get what you got!

Free Mohammed!

and jews trying to be friends with arabs who want to kill them isnt going to help save their lives...you can not be friends with anyone who wants you dead at all costs! i do not know why us jews try to appease these idiots when all thoughtout history has shown us this aint gonna happen not with germans who booted us out and now not with arbs who want us dead!

re: #167 GreenSoccer

re: #166 infidel4ever

The head of All the ambassadors and diplomats of the US government, the head of the state department, the representative of the president of the US in the year 2007, a Black woman who claims she knows discrimination, and she thinks it's OK to ask Jews not to use the front door? Where's the outrage? Where's the ACLU? etc

Condoleeza Rice says that as a black woman she understands discrimination. She knows how the "Palestinians" feel. So how come she sent the Jews through the pantry doors to the back of the bus?

And those Jews should be ashamed of themselves, too. They should have turned around and walked out! Good grief, do they belong to the same people that fought to the death in the ghetto of Warsaw?

re: #172 zionist122

and jews trying to be friends with arabs who want to kill them isnt going to help save their lives...you can not be friends with anyone who wants you dead at all costs! i do not know why us jews try to appease these idiots when all thoughtout history has shown us this aint gonna happen not with germans who booted us out and now not with arbs who want us dead!

Right you are! Which, of course, you know.

Welcome aboard! Now buy a round for the house. I'll have a double Jack Daniel's straight up.

re: #154 cagney

re: #143 formercorpsman

No offence taken.

We do have a knack for coming together when times gets tough, we've done it before and we'll do it again. My fear is that the inaction and moral irresponsibility of our government is driving ordinary decent people to the likes of the BNP. As you well know from previous threads, giving support to that lot is like throwing petrol on an already out of control fire.

Unfortunately, I've come across a few people over here with the mindset of the 'educated fellow' you worked with, typical pacifist moonbat, absolutely no logical coherence whatsoever, contradicting themselves several times after only uttering a few words.

That has always been my fear. When the mainstream won't won't stand up for what is right, folks get the clan (no pun intended) mentality, and gravitate towards those who they feel something in common, even if it is 1%.

What bothered me, is this fellow said that he would be considered a liberal. He also stated he liked the NHS better, albeit he called on Friday for an appointment, and was seen this morning, but basically blamed the Christians in Britain for having to treat everyone, hence the reason for some of the problems.

Wife=complaining=going.

Would a t-shirt or teddy bear with the text "The Prophet Psycho Mohammed" be offensive?

Don't let thge locals know she s;lipped the bonds of justice,
better they be told they lobbed off her melon.
lest the natives be wrestless and sound the war drums to bring down the govt.

To continue with my thread
we like dogs.
we like music
we dislike cruelty
we're not crazy about insanity
we like sex and prefer to have sex while we still have bodies and frankly we do not believe you will get to have sex with 72 eternal virgins after you kill us
we like our restaurants and the food they serve us, with music in the background, possibly with a glass of wine
some people gamble
we think there is something unkosher about having banks, and investment accounts, that don't do business with businesses that do business with Jews or Israelis. or who hire same.
sometimes an ice cream ad showing a cone with swirls of ice cream on top is just an ice cream cone
we like cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza
we like our law system and our form of government
we don't like men to have more than 1 wife, have tons of kids they can't support and live on welfare
we like freedom of speech
we don't like to deny reality, like the Holocaust.
we are not crazy about people who say they want to wipe us out and take steps to do so

zionist 122
there may be a rivalry going on between imams as to who can call out the biggest crowd in the least amount of time

So do the kids get the real SHORT haircut?re: #20 wrenchwench

Also, did the demonstrators show up outside her jail BEFORE or AFTER the TV cameras?

I wonder how many Teddy Bears have been shipped to Sudan in the past week?

re: #164 yochanan

so are you one of those who misspells as a statement of protest to rigid rules?

Unlike Gibbons, I do not have any respect for this fictitious religion of peace from the Arabian Peninsula. It's basically a refranchised Arabian paganism with some extreme heretical Jewish and Christian theologies thrown in for good measures.

re: #120 Former Belgian

Den Beste once wrote that there are two kinds of atheists: the ones for whom "G-d does not exist" is a working hypothesis, and the ones for who "G-d does not exist" is religious dogma. The latter kind is often so blinded by their hatred for Western religions that they are tempted to play the "enemy of my enemy" game.

What about the ones for whom it is rationally certain? :)

I submit that if someone is excusing and apologizing for mass-murdering thugs, it's not because of his lack of beliefs in a deity, it's because he sympathizes with them.

I'll note that the atheist apologists for islam are usually sympathetic to marxism also.

re: #180 zionist122

well if we are going to get organized why don't we start with protesting the building/plans? of the memorial site in Shanksville Pennsylvania remembering the crash site of flight 93 on 9/11 with a crescent and star, by the Park Service?

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

"A Minnesota man is upset over a memorial being built for those who died on United Flight 93. Tom Burnett Sr. said the proposed memorial is full of Islamic symbols and does not want his son’s name to be a part of it. His son, Tom Burnett Jr., died aboard flight 93 when it crashed in Pennsylvania. Tom Burnett Sr. said the memorial looks like a giant mosque with Islamic symbols such as a crescent shape around the point of impact that looks similar to the crescents featured on flags of heavily Islamic countries. The superintendent of the memorial said..."

from a letter on the website
"I was shocked to see that the main design, the Bowl, greatly resembles a Muslim crescent, and that the memorial seems to be honoring the murderers instead of the brave passengers on Flight 93."
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

see
[Link: www.errortheory.blogspot.com...]
"Wednesday, November 30, 2005
Redesigned Flight 93 memorial still an Islamo-fascist shrine
The redesigned flight 93 memorial, announced today, still contains all of the features that made it a terrorist memorial. Architect Paul Murdoch's infamous red crescent is still there, still planted with red maple trees, still inscribed in the exact same circle as before, and with the same two crescent tips still intact. Thus the crescent bisector defined by these crescent tips is also the same as before. It still points almost exactly to Mecca, making the crescent a Mihrab (an Islamic prayer station, where the believer faces into a crescent, towards Mecca, to perform his ritual prostrations). The design still incorporates a separate upper terrorist-memorial wall, centered precisely on the red-maple crescent [placing this upper section of wall, and the copse of trees that surround it, precisely in the location of the star on an Islamic flag]. There are still 44 translucent blocks on the flight path to the crash site, matching the total number of dead, instead of just the forty translucent blocks that are dedicated to the forty murdered Americans. Lastly, the Tower of Voices part of the memorial is still an Islamic prayer-time sundial.

Start with the red crescent. In the original design, the lower crescent tip was defined by the furthest extent of red maple trees on the bottom, while the upper crescent tip was defined by the end of the inner of two concrete walls, between which trees were planted."

see picture on website.

re: #182 buzzsawmonkey

as usual, brilliant

Why is the Burka so attractive to women like Gibbons? (I know plenty like her.) Do they desire an infantile existence, not driving cars, not earning their bread, not having an egalitarian position in their marriage (being one of many spouses who obey one man)?

They yearn to yield control and responsibility to others. No more competing with pretty ladies who have doctorates; no woman will best them, as all will be veiled and beaten. And it posits that nothing in this world is a result of personal achievement, no competition is brooked, no independent thought is tolerated. They crave submission.

Also, under a burka, there's no need to watch your diet.

re: #188 FightingBack

total projection. You don't know that she ever wore a burka and by the way a burka is a covering from head to toe with little holes for the yes. You don't get to to see the face nor the eyes. All the photos shows her face and eyes and wearing western clothing as she rides elephants etc.
You just don't like the fact that in her 50's she is no longer a sex object for your use. Why don't you try thinking with something other than your small brain?

re: #186 GreenSoccer

YOU SEEE WHAT I MEAN? they are going to take over usa...it is beginning now...welp lets see..i am 52 so by the time i hit 72 i will prolly be done in for anyways...so it will have to be up to the youngsters to fix this problem...a nd as for the burkas...welp now i dont have to diet anymore or anyless...i can eat to my hearts content and do not have to worry about getting raped unless it is by saudi guys but then they will get let off mostly... gee when iget reincarnated i wanna come back as a flying immam who gets to tell every one fuck off and kiss my ass! and then have 3-4 wives and tons of fun making little kiddies who i aint gonna pay for, niot a bad deal guys when you tink about it huh>? :-))) sheesh what are we all complainng about anyways guys? its the broads who got the problems here as i see it

re: #190 zionist122

so why would the US Park Service make a decision like that?
Mush for brains MFB syndrome. What causes it? Marijuana? Too much moral relevancy arguments while growing up?

You are right. It might be that a real women's movement might have to save the world, and including third world women, as Tammy Bruce said , and not the decadent corrupt Leftist N.O.W. : "we see no evil, we hear no evil, if it makes GW look like anything other than Big Satan."

Man: I'd like a license for my pet fish, Muhammed. And one for Muhammed the fruit bat.

Clerk: Are all your pets named Muhammed?

Man: There's nothing so odd about that. Kemel Attaturk had an entire menagerie called Abdul.

What made Sudan back down? Do you suppose Omar al-Bashir was the target of the Care Bear Stare?

At the risk of sounding like a heretic, a little dose of Sharia might have done this politically correct lefty some good.

BHG

re: #193 Skinless Frank

probably money

why are we giving them something like 2 billion a year when we don't like what they are doing?
How much is Britain giving them? How much is Europe giving them? Would you piss off someone who was giving you that kind of money over a stuffed teddy bear?

re: #191 GreenSoccer

re: #190 zionist122

so why would the US Park Service make a decision like that?

why you ask? now if ya have to ask ... okay welp no one is gonna believe me anyways but here goes...

yah see it all started when little timmy said he was himself anymore and ---oh shucks...well they found these strange looking pod like plants in the basements of some homes i used to have as patients...

--miles from body snatchers
Mush for brains MFB syndrome. What causes it? Marijuana? Too much moral relevancy arguments while growing up?

You are right. It might be that a real women's movement might have to save the world, and including third world women, as Tammy Bruce said , and not the decadent corrupt Leftist N.O.W. : "we see no evil, we hear no evil, if it makes GW look like anything other than Big Satan."

you fools...they here already...youre next... they are coming for you, your homes, your families, your friends...they are here! they are here! your next!

george dont care, he going bye bye in a year to collect some lofty pension and then retire to barbados sipping penis coladas...what, me worry? should be his theme song... someone who cares about the usa better start woofing on these bastards soon or they will be woofing on us and it wont be pleassant i assure you!

Charles, I think we've got a Moby on this thread. . .

Either that, or a crazy person. At any rate, they're talking about bombs being dropped like Nagasaki, and that's not good. . .

Oh and continuing my thread:

we like to fly airplanes without either intimidation, or death, not one, not tother, not both.

They'd be really pissed if they found out what I named "Muhammad."

re: #194 bald headed geek

We don't know that she is a PC Lefty. She's just trying to stay alive.

So why did I get a minus for defining a burka for someone who misused the word?

I see that #180 of zionist122 was deleted.

I had made up a Mohammed Bear in photoshop and sent it around to everyone's amusement. And I guess I am not the only one who mocked up some CAIR Bears ...here are more.

I assume someone posted this above, but didn't have the time to search. So sorry if this is redundant.

What an escape!?! From sharia-run Sudan to sharia-run England!
At least in Africa she had physical protection from a government fearful of a diplomatic scandal.
At home she could get her throat slit by one of tens of thousands who have crossed the famous sliding “radicalization threshold” and police would be too scared to seriously pursue the inquiries.

re: #205 hume

What an escape!?! From sharia-run Sudan to sharia-run England!
At least in Africa she had physical protection from a government fearful of a diplomatic scandal.
At home she could get her throat slit by one of tens of thousands who have crossed the famous sliding “radicalization threshold” and police would be too scared to seriously pursue the inquiries.

it's true. She's going to be no safer in Britain, than she was in Sudan. She could be another Theo Van Gogh.

re: #102 Ojoe

re: #89 GreenSoccer

Large buildings with people in them shall remain standing

re: #145 GreenSoccer

re: #102 Ojoe

Thanks for the laugh!

You are welcome!

Large buildings with people in them shall remain standing: It's a Superior Western Value™

But what about the poor, innocent Teddy Bear?

The real victim of this "crime".

Named after a plagiarizing, misogynistic, slave-holding, poet-assassinating, homicidal, head-chopping pedophile.

Poor damned critter.

Amnesty for Teddy, too!

re: #189 GreenSoccer

Sorry, I had to go to work for a while.
I think that she is longing for the burka. Yes, I do know what it looks like. She supports the culture that enforces these rules against women doesn't she?
She respects this culture, as she said, even after she received death threats for naming a stuffed toy.
Still passive, still advocating submission.

re: #198 TalkinKamel

Charles, I think we've got a Moby on this thread. . .

Either that, or a crazy person. At any rate, they're talking about bombs being dropped like Nagasaki, and that's not good. . .

i do not know why they deleted my posting, i am not the one who endorsed nagaski...and i am not a crazy person either...who are the crazies? the ones who put a teacher in jail for naming a teddy bear...

re: #203 GreenSoccer

I see that #180 of zionist122 was deleted.

:-((( oh shucks
they got meee

re: #207 Ojoe

"Large buildings with people in them shall remain standing: It's a Superior Western Value™"

Oh you are so brave to say that!

Fighting Back 209

Just because her husband walked out on her after 32 years of marriage and she decided to do something good and teach children, and see the world, which has a website by the way, [Link: www.unityhighschool.org...]
in a big city, and I see that they are still posting NO vacancies when it is obvious they have a job opening,
and she went to work for an elite school for the children of ambassadors, where the Sudanese government had a plant and they manipulated the situation for reasons of a tax dispute with the school, and to intimidate westerners and other citizens, is no reason to think she was a Leftie and burka loving, especially since there have been no photos of her with a burka and if there were you wouldn't know it was her because no one can recognize anyone in a burka. She has spouted phrases because her life, and the lives of her children are at stake and she lives in Britain and Europe which have hate speech laws that are ridiculous. As well she lives in a country where the media refuse to be honest about the dangers of Islam, and that includes the US by the way, since Palestinian American college educated homosexuals living in Chicago went to Gaza or the West Bank and decided to have a gay parade just like was held in Israel, and they had to find out by being beaten up and having their lives threatened, that Islam does not take kindly to gays. So with an educational system that does not speak the truth, and with a media that does not tell the truth and with colleges that refuse to let Phyllis Chesler speak, and organizations like N.O.W. that keep their mouth closed, I do not think you can assume that the woman knew what she was walking into, or that she "assumed the risks, " or sympathized. And just because she is carrying extra weight at a point where she could be a grandmother does not mean she has always carried extra weight or anything else. The British never fix their teeth. The fact that she doesn't wear makeup nor color her hair could just be part of being budget conscious in her new status of being divorced. Or to put it another way, she had not been dressing for becoming an international celebrity when she she was arrested in Africa, which after all is HOT, and she might be having hot flashes on top of the heat. No one owes it to you to look like Paris Hilton, and if I had to weigh the value of Gillian or Paris, Gillian might win.

Did any of these 1st generation muslims study western culture before they came? Oh, yes... It was better than the hell-hole they left. It's the second-generation who never knew what slavery was who want (us all) to learn about it first hand.

I find Teddy Bear Teacher's apologetic attitude very insulting. Good thing I'm not Muslim.

re: #214 lambdaarrow

why do you assume she was free to say whatever she wanted to?

re: #215 GreenSoccer

re: #214 lambdaarrow

why do you assume she was free to say whatever she wanted to?

I dunno - I could be wrong, but I smell moonbat.

You or I would curse the crap out of those Islamofascists the moment we left the tarmac at Khartoum airport, but you and I wouldn't have been indulging our egos with "Aren't I nice?" progressive, volunteer work in an Islamofascist country.

My money is on her being genuinely upset that she may have upset the Muslims.

I wish the Brits would suspend all aid from Sudan. This is such a disturbing story yet there is very little outrage from the civilized world. Today in a local paper a woman wrote a column justifying Gillians punishment because "she shoulda known better"...then went on to compare other religious names like Jesus and Mary. I can go name a plush toy Jesus right now and I would be perfectly safe.

She did not escape Sharia justice – note this form of “justice” won through intimidation, separation and dhimmitude...behavior dictated by fear.

re: #216 uptight

Well I've seen her comments this morning from Britain. She sounds like a private citizen who got dragged into the limelight who wants to get back into being a private citizen as soon as possible. She also needs to get a job which is difficult in December of a school year. You only get a job by being positive not by being negative. In fact teachers are expected to be hohoho'ing all the time as they "set the mood in the classroom and create a feeling of safety for the children so that they can learn". They are not griping about the government, the administration, their fellow nasty female catty teachers. They are not supposed to bring up politics in the classroom. They are expected to have a positive feeling about all races and all religions. If not, parents will complain. She is up against ageism. The schools would just as rather have 21 year old perky silly women as teachers who are slim and attractive. I do not know why you expect so much of her. They didn't even give her a chance to update the gray roots of her hair. The drive against obesity is becoming a drive to get rid of overweight teachers, regardless of age, as bad role models for the children.

And yet Steve Centanni of Fox, who was a public figure, who got kidnapped and converted by force to Islam and came back to Fox News and continues to be a public figure, has not said a word and no one says a thing.

Oh yah and she left her friends and colleagues back in the Sudan and anything she says could result in them being hurt, in a heart beat. And I think she genuinely feels sorry for being the center of an international controversy that got diplomats shuttling back and forth. Some people like to create tempests in a teapot, and being a bother to others, and most Brits don't. Most Hollywood stars do and have people dreaming up ways to get this kind of publicity. An elementary school teacher is someone who has chosen to spend her time with 7 year olds, not adults and not politics. The choice of the career is a retreat. I find you people very unrealistic. If she wanted to be a warrior, she'd be in politics like Ayaan.

Some drip on Fox, female, said we really must talk to these extremist imams. I wish she would try. I personally think the world would be a better place if the extremists who advocate violence, met violence in the middle of the night and were taken off the planet.
Anyway they made the point that the extremists don't want westerners in the Sudan, and as a result of what this teacher went through, there will be less westerners volunteering, so they got their wish.

re: #218 buzzhooper

Most teachers are dhimmies. They tow the line and jump through the hoops that the government and adminsitration set for them even when the hoops are impossible.

this poor woman gillian -is scared to shit! she has been so tramatized that she actually thinks sudan is a good place!
i think she fears for her saftey still being back in uk...there are plenty muslims who could still get her for percived transgression...this is what happens when you get tramtized by these nuts...she needs psych help

Was the bear expelled also ? It should either be granted UK citizenship or perhaps should be auctioned on Ebay ..

I've seen twp pictures. One is the one here at LGF with the heart. But I've seen other photos of a HUGE WHITE teddy bear that looks very special. Anyway it belonged to one of the kids at the school.

I wonder how many people now have a collection of teddybears called Jesus Mary Moses Buddha and Mo.

re: #222 zionist122

Thank you. I agree that people should show a little compassion.

Seems everyone wants her to act like ninja woman either physically or with her words. She's a gray haired, covered with brown dye, little woman who faced pure evil all alone to begin with. If you were facing a street full of 10,000 primitives with swords and clubs yelling for your death, do you think you would be insulting?
People have sued the police in the US for wrongful arrest and that was just 2 policemen saying "will you come with us?"

Prager disagrees with me. He thinks she is a nice woman and a useful idiot.

I think the British have a funny sense of humor and when she says there's a very nice school in the Sudan with an opening, I think the British know she is joking.

re: #227 GreenSoccer

right i agree...she is being tongue in cheek about her comment...most brits seem to try to have a stiff upper lip!

and -if this was me who happened to be arrested...i doubt very much i wouldnt crawl into some dark hole somewhere afterwards and thank my lucky stars that i got away with my skin or hair on my head,, a woman who is a grandmotherly type as this one is --i am sure is very scared/ tramatized as to what happened to her and still fearful which is a natural reaction to this injustice...i read that the prisons in sudan are among some of the worst conditions in the whole world

re: #228 zionist122

i know more than 1 student teacher who in the last semester of their education was viciously verbally and unexpectedly attacked by a student teacher manager who liked the drama of throwing student teachers out of the classroom for perceived slights to the dignity of the children. The she would require the student teacher to prostrate themselves before her with compliments before placing them in another classroom. One did. One didn't. Anyway the student teachers were traumatized for years and that is in the US where everyone is English speaking. And no the teacher ed school did not care. They only cared about lawsuits and they were not sued yet. One of these days she'll choose the wrong person and will get sued. She attacks fat women.

A Mo Bear (A Bear called Mohammed) was up for auction on Ebay, with the money eventually going to a local children's hospice. There were some really funny questions (And answers) being sent to the seller, which could be viewed on Ebay. The bids got to treble figures but over night Ebay removed the auction. No one can find out why this happened. PC gone mad or a complaint from a sensitive type?

re: #229 GreenSoccer

man greenie you are just too funny with these funny stories...i dam near soiled myself reading your posts!

i have to say you really brighten up my day...i should prolly lose some weight if i go back into the classroom but i am looking forward to wearing a burka so i dont have to be made fun of! hahaha

and the ebaything with the teddy bear... this is so funny i cant bear to read any more i will have to put on a pair of depends soon!

re: #231 zionist122

Yours is an unexpected reaction. What was funny in my story, or are you being sarcastic?