do unto others?

Wow, kind of like a global test for the right?

A shame this guy is FIRST in the polls. . .

lol On the font page of Hot Air is this headline: Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter”

I was gonna say this guy is alot like Jimmuh Carter in some ways,
but not quite as bad as Jimmuh.

OK, missed that attempt by about 20 seconds. . .

But it seriously I think it *IS* a shame this guy is first in the polls in SC. Its starting to get a little late in the season for there not to be a clear leader.

I'd still take him over any Dem, though.

I wish this guy would just go away...

re: #4 dog opus

lol On the font page of Hot Air is this headline: Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter”

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Didn't see your #4 when I posted my #5
heh

Previously, I was afraid Shillary might be POTUS. Now I think I am more afraid that I will have to choose between Shillary and this putz.

re: #8 Le_Patriot

Hey, you can't see over my shoulder as I'm typing! And if you could, I'd be sort of creeped out, honestly. heh

Add the Cuba thing, and the tax thing, and he's over.

re: #9 scathach

Previously, I was afraid Shillary might be POTUS. Now I think I am more afraid that I will have to choose between Shillary and this putz.

Shouldn't be too tough of a choice, I hope.

Remember a while back when I said that I thought a Giuliani/Huckabee ticket would be cool?

I take it back.

I've become very disappointed with my former Governor. He did some good things here, but Governor is as far as he should go, after seeing his foreign policy ideas.

This guy's as untested and naive regarding foreign policy as Obama.

Can I criticize Huckabee or is that anti-Chistianism?

#9

I hate to admit, but I think I probably trust Hillary more than this guy on foreign policy.

I don't think Huckabee is going to win the nomination, though the way things are going he could capture SC (though not if I can help it).

re: #13 gop_patriot

Remember a while back when I said that I thought a Giuliani/Huckabee ticket would be cool?

I take it back.

I've become very disappointed with my former Governor. He did some good things here, but Governor is as far as he should go, after seeing his foreign policy ideas.

To me the best pairing is still Rudy / Fred

Well, that's...disappointing.

Mike Huckaby = Harry Reid with a personality

I don't know about that. This guy is a bit too evangelical and judgemental and a way too inexperienced at playing on an international stage. I see Jimmuh Catah II without the bad tax policy in the offing with him.

re: #17 Thanos

Fred wouldn't take backseat. I think President Rudy is going to surprise us with his VP nomination.

Its probably worth mentioning that setting foreign policy really is the single most important function of the president.

I think Nixon had it right on this count. The best thing the President can do on most domestic economic issues is simply to let the free market work.

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope. The United States’ strategic interests as the world’s most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing...

What freaks in the GOP are supporting this dunce?

Next him, please.

"we have not had diplomatic relations with Iran in almost 30 years;"
CRAP. Iran cut off diplomatic ties to the United State of America in 1979, by invading United States territory (the U.S. Embassy) and holding our diplomatic personnel there hostage, continuously torturing them for 444 day.
Governor Huckabee, with all due respect, you're not ready for Prime Time.
Period.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

re: #17 Thanos

Fred wouldn't take backseat. I think President Rudy is going to surprise us with his VP nomination.

I've always thought that as much as I like both of these men, their personalities are so big that they'd cancel each other out. LOL

The Huckster is too liberal on social issues (as is Rudy). Fred Thompson should win the primary...

re: #14 buckykat

This guy's as untested and naive regarding foreign policy as Obama.

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Huck, also has the GWB "reach accross the aisle" philosophy
(translate: =compromise)
The thought is nice, but not with the current Dem crowd in power.
(Pelosi, Ried, Schumer, Kennedy, et al) . . . it would be like trying to reason with Islamofaciists.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I hope you're right.

If Giuliani is the nominee (and I think he is still the most likely candidate, despite his deficiencies), he'll likely have to pick a Southerner for "balance" and probably a pro-gun "family values" type guy to shore up support from the base.

Doesn't he really want to convert them all?

Or, y'know, pardon them all?

Or wake up one morning a bit peckish, and eat them all?

re: #17 Thanos

I like them both, too. Wondering if a Giuliani/Hunter ticket wouldn't work also. Less huge ego clashing, maybe? ;)

Whereas there can be no rational dealings with al Qaeda, Iran is a nation-state seeking regional clout and playing the game of power politics we understand and can skillfully pursue. We cannot live with al Qaeda, but we might be able to live with a contained Iran.”

Yeah, Dhimmi Carter for sure.

Hey Huck, if you need a dialogue with Iran, why not stop by Columbia University for a chat?

Rudy would never, ever, EVER have Huckabee on ticket as a veep. LOL

That said yeah he's really lost it in the last week or so, kind of like Hillary did. If Hill takes a header and doesn't even make it past the primary, what's the chances of her coming back 4 or 8 years from now? What will poor children and sick people do without her?

*shudder*

re: #28 looking closely

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I hope you're right.

If Giuliani is the nominee (and I think he is still the most likely candidate, despite his deficiencies), he'll likely have to pick a Southerner for "balance" and probably a pro-gun "family values" type guy to shore up support from the base.

Oh the rumour is Hailey Barber of Alabama.

re: #31 Canadian Guy

Whereas there can be no rational dealings with al Qaeda, Iran is a nation-state seeking regional clout and playing the game of power politics we understand and can skillfully pursue. We cannot live with al Qaeda, but we might be able to live with a contained Iran.”

Yeah, Dhimmi Carter for sure.

That containment thing never seems to work out. Crushing, then making friends after almost always goes better.

I've gotta say, this is turning out to be the wackiest presidential race I can remember. Nation in flux.

re: #34 Canadian Guy

Oh the rumour is Hailey Barber of Alabama.

I'd like to see Newt Gingrich & Bolton ticket
*looks for line to write-in candidates*

Ron Paul has been beamed up to the blimp, and is on his way back to the remote planet

Bull Shit! Lack of health care!?! lack of sanitation!?! WTF he sounds like a friggin dimi!

Huk, ... IT IS THE RELIGION of Is-a-sham that makes fools kill. DUMMY! Not anything else, so try selling that crap to the left and center...this is embarrassing for you.

Ass!

RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

re: #34 Canadian Guy

re: #28 looking closely

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I hope you're right.

If Giuliani is the nominee (and I think he is still the most likely candidate, despite his deficiencies), he'll likely have to pick a Southerner for "balance" and probably a pro-gun "family values" type guy to shore up support from the base.

Oh the rumour is Hailey Barber of Alabama.

I also heard murmurings about the Governor of SC, Mark Sanford.

How about a Rudy, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Bolton triumvirate? What the heck, it's all getting surreal anyway. Charles Johnson, Allahpundit, and Robert Spencer forming the backbone of the cabinet. heh

re: #38 Le_Patriot

Ron Paul has been beamed up to the blimp, and is on his way back to the remote planet

LOL

I feel stupid giving Huckabee money, thinking he was a moral and strong person who'd lead America to victory against those who would destroy us and our way of life. :-/ Now who can I support? None of them seems to be able to identify who our enemy is.

re: #34 Canadian Guy

re: #28 looking closely

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I hope you're right.

If Giuliani is the nominee (and I think he is still the most likely candidate, despite his deficiencies), he'll likely have to pick a Southerner for "balance" and probably a pro-gun "family values" type guy to shore up support from the base.

Oh the rumour is Hailey Barber of Alabama.

I think you mean Haley Barbour of Mississippi.

re: #37 Le_Patriot

re: #34 Canadian Guy

Oh the rumour is Hailey Barber of Alabama.

I'd like to see Newt Gingrich & Bolton ticket
*looks for line to write-in candidates*

I think the conservative bloggers and such love Bolton, but its largely for the same reason that he couldn't (and wouldn't) hold that sort of elected office, namely he freely speaks his mind.

That's a luxury that professional politicians (and I mean both words in their positive senses) don't have.

The whole thing is over at Foreign Affairs. It's long.

re: #28 looking closely

It could be anything. Lieberman, McCain, the only thing I'd bet on is that he's going to surprise us.

re: #40 looking closely

That;s an interesting possibility I hadn't hear before.

VP? Time to drag Zell Miller out of retirement.
I loved his speech at the Repub. convention.
He should have switched parties.

re: #43 Erica Marceau

Don't feel bad. I gave money to GWB.

re: #43 Erica Marceau

Rudy knows who our enemy is, definitely. I'm ready to accept, grudgingly, his domestic policy shortcomings because of that.

Huck is very conversational, he doesnt scare you when he talks. You dont feel like he's selling you something or trying to recall the focus group answer (like Hillary).
But while the noises he makes are nice, the actuall words that comes out of his mouth scare the crap outta me. He wants to apply the interpersonal skills you would use as a pasture to inter-national politics.

Not good, wont work, dont want.

Rudy is they man How can we apease killers what of bunch f bs from hyck
rudy please step in and clean this up

re: #50 song_and_dance_man

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them:

Same as it ever was.

So Huck's saying we should attack Islam?

Further into it...

Rather than wait for the next strike, I prefer to cut to the chase by going after al Qaeda's safe havens in Pakistan. As commander in chief, the U.S. president must balance threats and risks in calculating how best to protect the American people. We are living on borrowed time. The threat of an attack on us is far graver than the risk that a quick and limited strike against al Qaeda would bring extremists to power in Pakistan.

"When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward. The same is true for countries. The reestablishment of diplomatic ties will not occur automatically or without the Iranians’ making concessions that serve to create a less hostile relationship..."

Kumbiyah.

The United States’ strategic interests as the world’s most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing...

Great. Another simpleton who thinks that muslims become terrorists because they can't find good jobs.

muslims live in the world's shitholes because they are in the thrall of a violent, tribalistic, intolerant ideology that discourages freedom of thought, fears democracy and rejects progress (except where the infidel's technology can be used to kill innocent people). If mohammed (**spit**) lived in the seventh century, then we should all live in the seventh century.

The more I hear from Huckabee, the more I see Jimmy Carter. Who is supporting this guy anyway?

re: #47 Killgore Trout

re: #40 looking closely

That;s an interesting possibility I hadn't hear before [Mark Sanford, Governor of South Carolina].

Sanford's name has come up in the context of other candidates (I think Romney's in particular). He's a diehard conservative, that's for sure, and I believe he was previously a Congressman, so he'd probably be a pretty good choice for VP.

#43 Erica

You can bet your bottom dollar that Giuliani knows who America's enemies are, and that he wouldn't mind kicking their ass (he IS from Brooklyn, after all).

Al Gore
No more war
Al Gore
No more war
/envisioning moonbats screaming at Dem convention after first round of delegates voting fails to produce a candidate.

No Obama
He like Osama
No Hillary
She too shrillery
Gore Gore we're all swarming
cuz we bought in to global warming

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

Yeah, but he didn't say "give them healthcare and sanitation" did he?

Yea man! There is only one issue. KILL OUR enemies!re: #51 dog opus

re: #39 swampscott

Bull Shit! Lack of health care!?! lack of sanitation!?! WTF he sounds like a friggin dimi!

Huk, ... IT IS THE RELIGION of Is-a-sham that makes fools kill. DUMMY! Not anything else, so try selling that crap to the left and center...this is embarrassing for you.

Ass!

RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

Unfortunately a lot of people are probably voting for him cause he's got a BA in Theology.

From the link:

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope.

Bullshit!

Mike Huckabee is a naive son of a bitch. End of story.

/man of few words tonight. See last thread...

re: #43 Erica Marceau

None of them seems to be able to identify who our enemy is.

See: Giuliani's Foreign Policy Team
Rudy rules!

re: #44 rabidsquirrel

re: #34 Canadian Guy

re: #28 looking closely

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I hope you're right.

If Giuliani is the nominee (and I think he is still the most likely candidate, despite his deficiencies), he'll likely have to pick a Southerner for "balance" and probably a pro-gun "family values" type guy to shore up support from the base.

Oh the rumour is Hailey Barber of Alabama.

I think you mean Haley Barbour of Mississippi.

I was close.

What a crock of meaningless, platitudinous bull shit.

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope.

Good grief, Charlie Brown, are we still in Kansas?

re: #56 ratherdashing Yeah, ya know I don't understand why we haven't attacked Pakistan yet.
What's that you say? Pakistan has it's own nucluer weapons? Pakistan has missile sytems with which to deliver those nukes?
Why shoot, I can just hear Huckleberry Finn now "Afganistan/Pakistnan" their really the same, aren't they?" Now that he's a "frontrunner" we'll start to hear more and more about him and I don't think we're gonna like what we hear.

God damn, Why Americans , You already had one Jimmy Carter.

re: #43 Erica Marceau

I feel stupid giving Huckabee money, thinking he was a moral and strong person who'd lead America to victory against those who would destroy us and our way of life. :-/ Now who can I support? None of them seems to be able to identify who our enemy is.

Ahh Rudy? Fred? McCain?

Did anyone read the whole thing?

re: #58 cicero05

Considering the oil reserves and its current market value, Iran and Saudi Arabia ought to be the wealthiest countries in the world, right?

The analogy of the Republican Jimmy Carter appears apt here.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the retarded Republican hillbillies of Iowa for giving the lead to the Huckster. That's just what the Republican Party and America need - another dumb-as-dirt politician who's consider worthy of the Presidency because, well heck, he believes in the Jebus! Way to go.

re: #72 realwest

How ya feelin', buddy?

No wonder the MSM are promoting Huckabee.
He's a Democrat.

I'm not really favoring Fred MacMurray as a presidential candidate.

Just got done with a 90-player Hold'em tournament in preparation for a full day of real poker. I placed second, moving about 176,000 clams into my account.

Wish it were real money. I'd buy all y'all sonsabiches a drink.

re: #59 ploome hineni

I've been around. heh. I read LGF daily, but post rarely.

re: #64 song_and_dance_man

re: #55 rabidsquirrel

Not sure. I haven't been following Huck but if that's his position and he clearly articulates it in a manner that makes sense, then I'll think about and give my answer at that time.

I was being sarcastic. I doubt very much we'll ever hear Huckabee call out the true root cause of Islamic terrorism...Islam itself.

re: #56 ratherdashing

Further into it...

Rather than wait for the next strike, I prefer to cut to the chase by going after al Qaeda's safe havens in Pakistan. As commander in chief, the U.S. president must balance threats and risks in calculating how best to protect the American people. We are living on borrowed time. The threat of an attack on us is far graver than the risk that a quick and limited strike against al Qaeda would bring extremists to power in Pakistan.

Did he steal this essay from Obama?

re: #66 rw in san diego Well education would help. Ignorance is a breeding ground for all kinds of hate. But first, we need to drain the swamp. Education can also mean to ...well... learn 'em

I'm sorry, but ya'll are just going to have to trust us from down here in his neighborhood. (Well, sort of..a few miles East).
It just can't be Huckabee...we'll be sooo screwed in November.
Not to mention that he pardoned that damn rapist Wayne DuMonde, and then the SOB (duMonde) went and murdered someone.

When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward. The same is true for countries.

News Flash: Countries are not people. Iran is not a friend or a parent. Your friends and parents do not pursue nuclear weapons to wipe you off the map or end your existence. If they do the equivalent, they end up in jail or the looney bin.

And, Mr. Huckabee, sorry to disillusion you, but be it countries or people, there are just some "relationships" that are bad and should be discontinued, not moved forward, and some differences that cannot be resolved.

This is reality. It is not Sunday school, and it is not "character counts" class.

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” Yet we have not had diplomatic relations with Iran in almost 30 years;

Don't think he quite understood what Mr. Sun was getting at there.

re: #75 whosoever
Yes.

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts -- which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope.

He's hopelessly stupid.

re: #80 Noam Sayin'

I'm not really favoring Fred MacMurray as a presidential candidate.

Just got done with a 90-player Hold'em tournament in preparation for a full day of real poker. I placed second, moving about 176,000 clams into my account.

Wish it were real money. I'd buy all y'all sonsabiches a drink.

On the sonsabitches? What about us assholes? Wouldn't we get a drink, too.

re: #87 Noam Sayin'

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

I thought Don Vito Corleone said that.

Relax everyone... its all part of the shakeout. This is exactly WHY we have primaries. For the most part, fools will reveal themselves.

re: #82 rabidsquirrel

re: #64 song_and_dance_man

re: #55 rabidsquirrel

Not sure. I haven't been following Huck but if that's his position and he clearly articulates it in a manner that makes sense, then I'll think about and give my answer at that time.

I was being sarcastic. I doubt very much we'll ever hear Huckabee call out the true root cause of Islamic terrorism...Islam itself.

The guy *IS* still a politician, after all.
None of these guys are going to go so far as to say that out loud, though I get the impression that a few of them probably believe it to be true.

re: #75 whosoever

Did anyone read the whole thing?

...good lord, what a wagonload! You could make the Sahara bloom again, with that crock!

re: #78 Killgore Trout Hey KT. Right now, I can honestly say the procedure was a success - no blockages in any arteries (including heart arteries) except for one about 3 inches above the knee and surgeon put in a stent so I should be able to walk again, pain free, soon. However, the patient is is enormous pain - especially while sitting down at my computer! I will only be on LGF sporadically until this heals some more and shouldn't be on at all, cause I come across a thread like this and just can't shut up.
Maybe I should just stop reading LGF for a few days - probably better for my BP too! LOL!

Whats up with Tancredo, i know he has like 0.0001% support but damn the guy makes sense.

REALWEST! How are you? So happy to see you back.

re: #80 Noam Sayin'

I'm not really favoring Fred MacMurray as a presidential candidate.

Just got done with a 90-player Hold'em tournament in preparation for a full day of real poker. I placed second, moving about 176,000 clams into my account.

Wish it were real money. I'd buy all y'all sonsabiches a drink.

Where do you bank?
Mollusk Mutual?

re: #89 rabidsquirrel

Well, yes - as long as you get a sonabich to vouch for you.

re: #92 looking closely

re: #82 rabidsquirrel

re: #64 song_and_dance_man

re: #55 rabidsquirrel

Not sure. I haven't been following Huck but if that's his position and he clearly articulates it in a manner that makes sense, then I'll think about and give my answer at that time.

I was being sarcastic. I doubt very much we'll ever hear Huckabee call out the true root cause of Islamic terrorism...Islam itself.

The guy *IS* still a politician, after all.
None of these guys are going to go so far as to say that out loud, though I get the impression that a few of them probably believe it to be true.

Yes, realpolitik sucks. But a few of our politicians do seem to get it.

re: #95 pegcity

Too much sense (or sense poorly concealed) can be a liability in politics, I guess.

re: #94 realwest

Hang in there and take take of yourself. We've all been worried about you and following you're progress closely.

re: #77 Uncle Joe

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the retarded Republican hillbillies of Iowa for giving the lead to the Huckster. That's just what the Republican Party and America need - another dumb-as-dirt politician who's consider worthy of the Presidency because, well heck, he believes in the Jebus! Way to go.

I know it's Christmas, but I gotta agree here. And I'm not an athiest.

re: #98 Noam Sayin'

re: #89 rabidsquirrel

Well, yes - as long as you get a sonabich to vouch for you.

It's getting to be you can't even get a drink around this place, even with all the newbs.

re: #75 whosoever

Did anyone read the whole thing?

Yes. He opens with an inspiring section that makes it sound like he knows his stuff:

more successful U.S. foreign policy needs to better explain Islamic jihadism to the American people. Given how Americans have thrived on diversity -- religious, ethnic, racial -- it takes an enormous leap of imagination to understand what Islamic terrorists are about, that they really do want to kill every last one of us and destroy civilization as we know it. If they are willing to kill their own children by letting them detonate suicide bombs, then they will also be willing to kill our children for their misguided cause. The Bush administration has never adequately explained the theology and ideology behind Islamic terrorism or convinced us of its ruthless fanaticism. The first rule of war is "know your enemy," and most Americans do not know theirs. To grasp the magnitude of the threat, we first have to understand what makes Islamic terrorists tick. Very few Americans are familiar with the writings of Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian radical executed in 1966, or the Muslim Brotherhood, whose call to active jihad influenced Osama bin Laden and the rise of al Qaeda. Qutb raged against the decadence and sin he saw around him and sought to restore the "pure" Islam of the seventh century through a theocratic caliphate without national borders. He saw nothing decadent or sinful in murdering in order to achieve that end. America's culture of life stands in stark contrast to the jihadists' culture of death.

This promising opening is immediately followed by the drivel about how economic conditions spawned terrorism and how we all should sit down and talk like reasonable folks. It is as though he failed to understand his own words, or perhaps as though the speech was assembled from bits and pieces of info he was fed together with his own ramblings. It MAKES NO SENSE.

re: #80 Noam Sayin'

I'm not really favoring Fred MacMurray as a presidential candidate.

Just got done with a 90-player Hold'em tournament in preparation for a full day of real poker. I placed second, moving about 176,000 clams into my account.

Wish it were real money. I'd buy all y'all sonsabiches a drink.

Where you play Noam?

This is one evangelical that says this guy has got to fall in the polls. Quickly!

Like a good racehorse, politicians have had the intelligence bred out of them.

re: #96 rw in san diego Hey there rw! Please see my #94 above - I really have to stop now, cause this leg is absolutely killing me!

re: #79 UncleSam

No wonder the MSM are promoting Huckabee.
He's a Democrat.

They love him because they believe he's strong enough to win the nomination, but too weak to win the election.

I think he'll drop out. I just don't see him getting the nomination.

That goes for his dem counterpart Obama too. . .doesn't he hold the lead somewhere now?

re: #90 Cicero05

re: #87 Noam Sayin'

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

I thought Don Vito Corleone said that.

I think he lifted from the Sun family. Gawd, don't get that feud started again.

Hey, realwest! Glad to hear you're up and around - and being a pain in the ass.

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Couple too many many glasses of wine there Killgore? ;P

He's not saying those are the root causes of terrorism. He's saying that is the best way to combat it and stem the tide of recruits to the terrorist goons. It IS what is working in Iraq if you've been paying attention at all.

re: #101 Killgore Trout That's a very nice thing to hear Killgore - I missed you guys like crazy!
But I gotta go NOW as leg is really hurtin', so
I hope y'all have a great night and that I heal fast enough to see you on one of the threads, at least, over the weekend. But it's also likely to be early next week.
Thanks again for the kind words!
Good night, Y'all!

re: #88 Killgore Trout

re: #75 whosoever
Yes.

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts -- which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope.

He's hopelessly stupid.

Am I the only one who just read this insanity, and thought, "Geez! - If he were just a little bit crazier, he'd be Ron Paul"?

Nice to hear about Rudy's team, too, KT. I like him (Rudy) even more, now!

re: #77 Uncle Joe

another dumb-as-dirt politician who's consider worthy of the Presidency because, well heck, he believes in the Jebus!

I really don't believe we've had one of those yet...
but Huck would make the first.

Huckabee, (like most liberals), has a Messianic complex, thinking if only he could be in charge he could convince these sociopathic, mass murdering dictators to play nice.

Messianic complex is a psychological state in which the individual believes him/herself to be, or is destined to become, the saviour of the particular field, a group, an event, a time period, or in an extreme scenario, the world.

People with Messianic Complexes tend to see themselves as saviours to a specific group of people or a specific field, making claims of their own glory, or claiming a self awareness of their own gift and how that gift can affect a group of people or a field of life.

In the most extreme cases, people with Messianic Complexes may see themselves as spiritual/religious Messiahs with transcendent powers who are destined to save the world.

re: #105 Canadian Guy

I play at FullTilt.

re: #36 dog opus

I've gotta say, this is turning out to be the wackiest presidential race I can remember. Nation in flux.

Indeed. Hillary's a sociopath, Obama's a nice enough guy but completely unqualified for the job, and Huckabee's ascension to his level of incompetence should have ended as manager of a Winn Dixie somewhere in Little Rock. Very strange.

The US is experiencing a leadership crisis like I've never seen before. The House, the Senate, the White House (Bush isn't all bad but he's bad enough), the utterly execrable Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, et al, Condi Rice, even Bernanke at the Fed and Paulson at the Treasury - it's a remarkable collection of visionless, corrupted bunglers and incompetents.

re: #102 Canadian Guy

re: #77 Uncle Joe

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the retarded Republican hillbillies of Iowa for giving the lead to the Huckster. That's just what the Republican Party and America need - another dumb-as-dirt politician who's consider worthy of the Presidency because, well heck, he believes in the Jebus! Way to go.

I know it's Christmas, but I gotta agree here. And I'm not an athiest.

Don't count your Iowa chickens before they've hatched.

Remember what happened to Howard Dean? He was also #1 in the Iowa polls last time around several weeks before they happened.

re: #110 Noam Sayin'

re: #90 Cicero05

re: #87 Noam Sayin'

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

I thought Don Vito Corleone said that.

I think he lifted from the Sun family. Gawd, don't get that feud started again.

"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." Was that also Sun-Tzu?

re: #113 realwest
Get well real soon.

re: #104 dentate

re: #75 whosoever

Did anyone read the whole thing?

Yes. He opens with an inspiring section that makes it sound like he knows his stuff:

more successful U.S. foreign policy needs to better explain Islamic jihadism to the American people. Given how Americans have thrived on diversity -- religious, ethnic, racial -- it takes an enormous leap of imagination to understand what Islamic terrorists are about, that they really do want to kill every last one of us and destroy civilization as we know it. If they are willing to kill their own children by letting them detonate suicide bombs, then they will also be willing to kill our children for their misguided cause. The Bush administration has never adequately explained the theology and ideology behind Islamic terrorism or convinced us of its ruthless fanaticism. The first rule of war is "know your enemy," and most Americans do not know theirs. To grasp the magnitude of the threat, we first have to understand what makes Islamic terrorists tick. Very few Americans are familiar with the writings of Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian radical executed in 1966, or the Muslim Brotherhood, whose call to active jihad influenced Osama bin Laden and the rise of al Qaeda. Qutb raged against the decadence and sin he saw around him and sought to restore the "pure" Islam of the seventh century through a theocratic caliphate without national borders. He saw nothing decadent or sinful in murdering in order to achieve that end. America's culture of life stands in stark contrast to the jihadists' culture of death.

This promising opening is immediately followed by the drivel about how economic conditions spawned terrorism and how we all should sit down and talk like reasonable folks. It is as though he failed to understand his own words, or perhaps as though the speech was assembled from bits and pieces of info he was fed together with his own ramblings. It MAKES NO SENSE.

Huckadhimmi obviously cut and past that intro cause if he had read any of this stuff he could not make the ensuing rationalizations and arguements.

re: #118 Uncle Joe

The US is experiencing a leadership crisis like I've never seen before. The House, the Senate, the White House (Bush isn't all bad but he's bad enough), the utterly execrable Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, et al, Condi Rice, even Bernanke at the Fed and Paulson at the Treasury - it's a remarkable collection of visionless, corrupted bunglers and incompetents.

I guess you'd have to include Condi in that list too. Her brains seem to have run out of her ears since she moved to State.

WHERE IS JOHN BOLTON WHEN WE NEED HIM?

re: #112 bj1126

He's not saying those are the root causes of terrorism. He's saying that is the best way to combat it and stem the tide of recruits to the terrorist goons. It IS what is working in Iraq if you've been paying attention at all.

Like those poor doctors who tried to blow up the London night club and Glasgow airport.

re: #120 Cicero05

re: #110 Noam Sayin'

re: #90 Cicero05

re: #87 Noam Sayin'

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

I thought Don Vito Corleone said that.

I think he lifted from the Sun family. Gawd, don't get that feud started again."Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." Was that also Sun-Tzu?

Also lifted. The actual phrase was, "Leave the yanling, take the eggrolls."

It would seem Muslims are not interested in progress. From this observation, I reject Huckabee's analysis.

After all, progress is not that hard to achieve, especially with all the oil money they have.

but we might be able to live with a contained Iran.”

That depends on the meaning of the word "contained". Because there is no containing a terrorist with a nuclear weapon.

re: #120 Cicero05

re: #110 Noam Sayin'

re: #90 Cicero05

re: #87 Noam Sayin'

Sun-tzu’s ancient wisdom is relevant today: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

I thought Don Vito Corleone said that.

I think he lifted from the Sun family. Gawd, don't get that feud started again."Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." Was that also Sun-Tzu?

I think Sun Tzu advised to "leave the Won-tons".

Actually, if you want to quote famous Italian philosophers, I think the relevant one here is Machiavelli.

From The Prince:

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed they are yours entirely; they will offer you their blood, property, life and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you. And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.

The US is experiencing a leadership crisis like I've never seen before.

But who with any intelligence, if he or she has family and/or a life, would be willing in this climate to put themselves through it? It almost goes without saying that any candidate for public office on a national level now is not playing with a full deck.

re: #117 Noam Sayin'

re: #105 Canadian Guy

I play at FullTilt.

Go to Poker Stars. That's where the action is.

Ah well, this should really make the Hucster feel good, with his reaching out to other nations and what not:

About 1 in 5 IBM Employees Now in India

BOSTON - IBM Corp.'s expansion in developing countries shows no sign of relenting. The technology company revealed Friday that it now has 73,000 employees in India, almost a 40 percent leap from last year.

IBM did not provide updated figures for its work force in the U.S., which has held steady around 125,000 people in recent years.

Nor did IBM project its total head count. It had 355,766 employees worldwide at the end of 2006.

If the total has risen by the same rate as in 2006, almost one in five IBM workers now is in India, its second-largest center.

Like many other technology providers, IBM has rushed to take advantage of the lower labor costs India offers even for highly skilled workers. IBM's base in India numbered only 9,000 people in 2003, but it was about 53,000 last year.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

OK, now I are definitely out of here tonigiht Hope to see ya'll again soo!

This is serious? We are listening to a Creationist who believes everyone else is on a path to Hell (as he said on O'Reilly), and supposed to decide if we will vote Him President?

I fear for this country.

The Republican Obama. A completely empty suit. Does not mean harm, but is too stupid to do what is right. He is a “what would Jesus do?” type rather than a “what would Caesar do?” type. We have had enough of these Metrosexuals. They are a danger to the country and the world. He is more concerned about going to heaven than women being tortured daily by Muslims and a nuclear bomb in Tel Aviv or New York. Cut him off.

re: #131 realwest

You said your leg was hurting. Please take care of yourself.

re: #130 Canadian Guy

Tried that one last weekend. The site moves way too slow, doesn't feed enough information.

re: #132 realwest

Nite, lol

Oh look, everybody!

re: #131 realwest

Ah well, this should really make the Hucster feel good, with his reaching out to other nations and what not:

About 1 in 5 IBM Employees Now in India

And another 2 in 5 are Indians working for IBM in the US and Europe.

re: #116 DistantThunder

Good one, DT.

Musharraf's top priority is not the United States' survival but his own, physical and political. Musharraf has done his best to convince the Bush administration that the United States' destiny and his are inextricably interwoven -- after him, the deluge.

I suspect Huckleberry would sell out Musharraf the same way Carter abandoned the Shah. With the same results, only this time with nuclear weapons.

Sherman and Grant both believed that they were going to hell. But that their actions would allow many to go to heaven. See the difference?

OT: Peaceful Jordanian Protesters urge their Pali pals to commit more suicide...

Once you pull the wrapper off, Huckabee appears to be warmed over Jimmy Carter with some tabasco splopped on to hide the decay. I liked the "no IRS" on the packaging. But I will have to toss the TV Dinner in the trash and settle for something else.

"When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward."
I was able to communicate to my estranged wife through an attorney and differences were resolved with the threat of legal action. Our relationship moved way forward...much to my delight. Expensive but well worth it.

There are those that speak to Iran for the U.S.A. Effectively.

Power to the Correct People!

I just saw I am Legend - and it was ultra intense - not a movie I would recommend to others for it's violence and Gore - should have been rated R.

re: #143 dentate

Your avatar is beautiful.

re: #128 looking closely

Summed up as: Let them hate, as long as they fear.

re: #122 Canadian Guy

Good point. To be honest, after he spouted the nonsensical analogy about the "top high school student" (how they should try to hide their accomplishments, lest others become jealous) I got too disgusted to read on. Socialism seems to be based on the notion that anything good that anybody has - or has accomplished - should be taken down, allegedly so that nobody will get jealous. So it came off as totally leftist, to me, as if his religiosity wasn't annoying enough. I hope Rudy doesn't talk like this.

re: #147 buckykat

re: #143 dentate

Your avatar is beautiful.

Thank you. You'd never guess that it is a slice through part of a rat brain, would you?

Speaking of movies, Enter the Dragon starts at Midnight Central Time (US) if anyone's into it.

re: #151 dentate

LOL!

re: #151 dentate

That's what makes it so beautiful.

re: #145 IslandLibertarian

"When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward."
I was able to communicate to my estranged wife through an attorney and differences were resolved with the threat of legal action. Our relationship moved way forward...much to my delight. Expensive but well worth it.

There are those that speak to Iran for the U.S.A. Effectively.

Power to the Correct People!

My friend left her violent husband, but a counselor said she should talk to him. He manipulated and obfuscated in every way shape and form. She was a wreck when she left the session, and said she she'd never go back. Talking to sociopaths gives them an opportunity to be manipulative without having to change.

Let them show they are willing to change FIRST - then talk.

re: #151 dentate

Makes sense to me!

re: #148 FightingBack

re: #128 looking closely

Summed up as: Let them hate, as long as they fear.

Fear is educational.

re: #115 tradewind

re: #77 Uncle Joe

another dumb-as-dirt politician who's consider worthy of the Presidency because, well heck, he believes in the Jebus!

I really don't believe we've had one of those yet...
but Huck would make the first.

You're forgetting Jimmah Carter.

Obama has a bad problem in that he thinks doing little things to show his patriotism means he is caving in to non-base pressure. He is unable to salute the flag proudly in front of a group of people becuase he thinks his base doesn't want that. He is not proud to be an American, He is not proud to support the troops. If he says he is proud to be an American the Junteenthers will eat him alive. I think Shelby Steel states it correctly when he says Obama doesn't really know who he is. He is warmed over John Kerry.

re: #146 DistantThunder

I just saw I am Legend - and it was ultra intense - not a movie I would recommend to others for it's violence and Gore - should have been rated R.

St. Al is in another work of fiction? Can Hollywood show no mercy? ;-)

re: #109 looking closely

re: #79 UncleSam

No wonder the MSM are promoting Huckabee.
He's a Democrat.

They love him because they believe he's strong enough to win the nomination, but too weak to win the election.

I think he'll drop out. I just don't see him getting the nomination.

That goes for his dem counterpart Obama too. . .doesn't he hold the lead somewhere now?

His ego will keep him in the race until the bitter end. When he finally is forced to drop out - he will be bitter and angry.

re: #113 realwest

Take your pain meds. Send the left overs to me.
/G'nite

Huckabee v Clinton
v Obama
v Richardson
and I vote for the Copperheads.
Huckabee v the rest, I don't vote.
Huckabee will not have my vote no matter what.

Was it any good? It's getting panned in the local reviews here.
re: #146 DistantThunder

re: #155 DistantThunder

"Let them show they are willing to change FIRST - then talk."

I Wholeheartedly endorse THAT, Distant!

I'm sorry, but a Minister, with infinite love and understanding, forgiveness and hope of healing, may not be the right one to lead us.

re: #155 DistantThunder
Let them show they are willing to change FIRST - then talk.

I knew there was no chance of her changing...(she had an IQ of 16, LOL)
She had to know I meant business.
Warm Fuzzy dialog is BS.
Peace through superior fire power!

PTTCP

re: #164 hazzyday

Was it any good? It's getting panned in the local reviews here.
re: #146 DistantThunder

Thrill ride, but not a great story - like Jaws - I'd give it a 4.

re: #111 Noam Sayin'

Nope, just about enough. Buzz maintenance is a fine art.

re: #168 DistantThunder

re: #164 hazzyday

Was it any good? It's getting panned in the local reviews here.
re: #146 DistantThunder

Thrill ride, but not a great story - like Jaws - I'd give it a 4.

I thought Jaws had a good story with lots of character development.

re: #151 dentate

re: #147 buckykat

re: #143 dentate

Your avatar is beautiful.

Thank you. You'd never guess that it is a slice through part of a rat brain, would you?

Pretty Cool. I would add that many Lizards have have also done quite well in this regard. Well done, all!

I'm hesitant to surrender my own little LFG, myself, especially after having to wait a while to proudly obtain it, but we'll see...

#167
I knew there was no chance of her changing...(she had an IQ of 167, LOL)

oops...

We're going to need a bigger boat

I'll wait for the DVD - I thought the Chuck Heston version was great when I was young. Can't remember the name of it though.

re: #170 DistantThunder

Charles:

May I do a name change here? I repudiate Huck. Can I change my name to mittfunn?

Our two-party system forces candidates toward the middle ground. (The multi-party system is different because candidates stake out the edges and that promotes craziness eg VB.) With this statement Huck is obviously trying to stand right on the double yellow line in the MOR.

He's nowhere near ready to be POTUS, but regardless he is clearly the most comfortable speaker of the bunch and he can really put lots of folks watching at home on their TV feel at ease with his polished Country Gentleman schtick. Oh he'd be good at that part of the job. And if it comes down to Huck or Hill, I gotta go with ABH and give him the nod.

But I'm not completely sold on anyone yet. I'd almost like to see a mixed party debate of the top 3 or 4 candidates from each side. That might be very telling. But I seriously doubt we'll ever see such a melee.

re: #146 DistantThunder

I just saw I am Legend - and it was ultra intense - not a movie I would recommend to others for it's violence and Gore - should have been rated R.

Al Gore was in "I Am Legend?"
Must have been one of the zombies.

"Gloooballl waaarmmming...He beeetrrraaayeed uuusss..."
(Bad zombie talk imitation.)

re: #68 Killgore Trout

re: #43 Erica Marceau

None of them seems to be able to identify who our enemy is.

See: Giuliani's Foreign Policy Team
Rudy rules!

I was thinking of what the candidates were saying in the debates about Islam being hijacked by a tiny minority and how it was a wonderful and peaceful religion. However, he does seem to have a much better understanding of what we face than Huckabee does from that post and I'll definitely have to revaluate all of the candidates.

re: #159 hazzyday
I saw him with Oprah this week, and I wondered if that was the best move for him, evoking an African American cultural experience; after all, that's a vote he should be able to count on. But if he shows the majority that he is not of them; that his heritage and experience are different, the results won't go in his favor.

This is another reason to keep Republicans in power - would Democrats make this the 3rd priority of the FBI, like it is now?

Crackdown on Child Pornography

In the past 11 months, federal prosecutors in Virginia and Maryland have helped convict or send to prison on child pornography charges the former head of the Virginia American Civil Liberties Union, an Ivy League professor, a sheriff's deputy, a Transportation Security Administration employee, an Army sergeant, a former Navy cryptologist, a contractor working at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, a National Institutes of Health researcher and a U.S. Capitol Police officer.

Which of these offenders is most likely a Democrat with a "liberal" view of sexuality?

YouTube, from today's "Big Story" on Fox:

Ann Coulter: "Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter"

re: #174 hazzyday

I'll wait for the DVD - I thought the Chuck Heston version was great when I was young. Can't remember the name of it though.

re: #170 DistantThunder

Omega Man

re: #159 hazzyday

Obama has a bad problem in that he thinks doing little things to show his patriotism means he is caving in to non-base pressure. He is unable to salute the flag proudly in front of a group of people becuase he thinks his base doesn't want that. He is not proud to be an American, He is not proud to support the troops. If he says he is proud to be an American the Junteenthers will eat him alive. I think Shelby Steel states it correctly when he says Obama doesn't really know who he is. He is warmed over John Kerry.

For me, this Senate vote was the litmus test for who's a patriot, and who's an outright traitor:

[Link: senate.gov...]

Obama's "Not Voting" status on this probably tells you all you need to know.

re: #174 hazzyday

I remember the novel. Read it when I was 13. (slinks away in shame)

re: #166 FightingBack

I'm sorry, but a Minister, with infinite love and understanding, forgiveness and hope of healing, may not be the right one to lead us.

Geez. That really makes him seem like a Republican Jimmy Carter.

Ick.

re: #180 DistantThunder

a former Navy cryptologist

Damn. Now we need a spy for sex?

Obama is a figment of the lefts imagination. He made a decent speech
at the 04 convention and the press touted him as a "rising star" a
half a million times, even he doesn't realize that he is vaporware.

re: #184 pat

re: #174 hazzyday

I remember the novel. Read it when I was 13. (slinks away in shame)

So did I.
No shame in that.
Great novel.
Read it at a camp site while on vacation with parents.

re: #189 UncleSam

Heh,heh. Back when paper backs had small print and 160 pages.

I am going have to go read it again now. Been a long time.

re: #189 UncleSam

re: #184 pat

re: #174 hazzyday

I remember the novel. Read it when I was 13. (slinks away in shame)

So did I.
No shame in that.
Great novel.
Read it at a camp site while on vacation with parents.

My friends foreign policy is like the peaceniks used to say about the army- travel to distant exotic lands, meet exciting new people, and then kill them. Or kill them all and let God sort them out- as a baseball cap once spouted. Huckabee might wanna adopt those. :-)

re: #91 WeddingGuy

That's my hope -- Huck is this year's Screamin' Howie Dean and he'll self-destruct before he impedes somebody serious, like Rudy or Romney. (Too bad Fred! has turned out to be so...low key.)

re: #190 pat

re: #189 UncleSam

Heh,heh. Back when paper backs had small print and 160 pages.

And they were like about 35 or maybe 50 cents.

Maybe Fred will pull a last minute turn-around.

re: #23 Canadian Guy

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope. The United States’ strategic interests as the world’s most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing...

What freaks in the GOP are supporting this dunce?

Next him, please.

If only there were some valuable commodity that these folks had. Something useful that people might pay good money for. Maybe something that is kinda rare, but still useable in many ways. Perhaps then sufficient income might be realized that these poor cesspools could be improved.

Personally, I'm getting kinda fed up. If it's all about blood for oil, then where's our oil? Any other country in history would be pumping the Middle East dry right now, and any goat loving boy humper that objected would be shot. But no. We're too civilized for that. For now.

Yep Pertraeus makes Obama look like a wet noodle. I read the old Kucinich mayoral problems from a link here. And Obama will be just like that. Bring a raft of inexperience and bullyishness to an office that needs experience and wisdom.

re: #183 Optimizer

re: #195 Tarkus289

Maybe Fred will pull a last minute turn-around.

It's early on, and it's early primaries. People are just now starting to pay attention, and even then it's Christmas and they are distracted. It could happen. The first primaries now don't matter as much, when we get to the big state primaries I think the real shakeout will start.

re: #107 swamprat

Too bad you can't put them down when they stumble and break their leg.

re: #180 DistantThunder

DistantThunder, it shouldn't matter what party affiliation these criminals have next to their voter registration. It would be best to concentrate on the individual's ideas and actions, since most if not all first time criminals never expect to get caught. Pedophiles deserve no mercy regardless of what title sits next to their name. But I will agree with you to a point that most anti-religion persons tend to view religious figures as automatic pedophiles especially Catholic Priests. The proof that a former head of the Virginia ACLU was busted shows that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Christians who think Christmas stinks...
While most Christians embrace Christmas, a few recall a more complex history

In researching his book, "Christmas: A Candid History," Forbes discovered that major American denominations--Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers, Methodists and Congregationalists--either ignored the holiday or actively discouraged it until the late 19th century.

That rejection was rooted in the lack of biblical sanction for Dec. 25 as the date of Jesus' birth, as well as suspicion toward traditions that developed after the earliest days of Christianity. In colonial New England, this disapproval extended to actually making the holiday illegal, with celebration punishable by a fine.

"Some somehow observe the day," wrote Boston Puritan Samuel Sewall on Christmas Day 1685, "but are vexed, I believe, that the body of people profane it, and blessed be God no authority yet compels them to keep it."

Mithra rules!

Asking which candidate you'd most like to see be President is different than asking which candidate from your party is most likely to win the election. So the question is.. Is the party more important than the person?

Some are purists and say they'd rather see the other side win than to see Candidate X from their own party win. And I've said exactly that about Ron Paul but its because I don't really consider him a genuine GOP candidate but a Bircher posing as a Republican.

So I'll keep sitting waiting wishing and make up my mind sometime before the MI primary. But really, I'll vote for any GOP candidate over Hillary Obama or Edwards.

re: #198 Thanos

I agree, I am not necessarily for Fred, but I would not be too upset,
he seems to be the most conservative across the board, and I
believe he is the most like Reagan as far as a movement leader.

re: #195 Tarkus289

Maybe Fred will pull a last minute turn-around.

I don't find Fred low key. It is the way the media paints him. They don't want him to win.

re: #23 Canadian Guy

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope. The United States’ strategic interests as the world’s most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing...

What freaks in the GOP are supporting this dunce?

Next him, please.

I'm supporting him! Please try to take things in context of the totality of what he's said about the Islamic threat and try not to read into his comments unsaid assumptions. Here is more of what Huckabee has said on foreign policy:

People look at my record and say that I’m as strong on immigration, strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamo fascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well. And know the threat of it is absolutely overwhelming to us. As a president, nobody’s going to be stronger on building border security, not having amnesty, no sanctuary cities, having a process in place that forces a process that is legal. When it comes to national security, I understand that the threat that we face is not about our grandchildren having better homes and better cars, it’s about whether they’re going to have a breath and a pulse."

-- source link

And his official website's foreign policy statement where he's stronger on the Saudis and has a better grasp of the situation and better and more original, non-CFR approach than any of the viable candidates I've heard from.

I was attacted to Obama initially but the more I read the more I thought he is a KOS level moveon.org type. Too Bad. I'm slowly evaluating these candidates and keep falling back to Rudy.

Obama is going to get nailed by his church assoications and his lack of patriotism.

If he was elected though, he could be called the world's most famous Muslim apostate.

re: #179 FightingBack

re: #159 hazzyday
I saw him with Oprah this week, and I wondered if that was the best move for him, evoking an African American cultural experience; after all, that's a vote he should be able to count on. But if he shows the majority that he is not of them; that his heritage and experience are different, the results won't go in his favor.

Exclamation overload...
Rednecks build spider mech!
Rednecks! Beer! Science! Art!

re: #75 whosoever

Did anyone read the whole thing?

I did, I thought it was fantastic!

Peanuts...Get yer peanuts! Does he have a beer swilling brother?

re: #174 hazzyday

The Omega Man, IIRC.

re: #202 Mich-again

But really, I'll vote for any GOP candidate over Hillary Obama or Edwards.

Echo that.

I thought I was helping to teach the Dems a lesson by voting for Nader in '02 (I knew Al Gore was a tool back then) - it worked in MN's Gubernatorial race in 98 when we elected Jesse 'The Body' Ventura. But by '04, I'd fullly turned against the Dems entirely - purely for their politicization of the liberation of Iraq. Now I won't vote for a Dem for any level of office.

And as for whatever Ann Coulter says, be careful hitching up that train. She's just nutty. And the worst kind of nutty. The kind that sounds sane one day and then unhinged another. Jeesh. She seems so weird and wired on camera that maybe she should take a page out of Emily Dickinson's playbook and stay home and write. That said, sometimes what she writes cracks me up, but then sometimes she just sounds so fake and shallow. Anyways, not what I'd call a spokesperson.

re: #196 razorbacker

Loved it!

re: #202 Mich-again

...I'll vote for any GOP candidate over Hillary Obama or Edwards.

I won't. I'll take socialized medicine and surrender in Iraq before I accept the "fair tax".

I am the same about Ron Paul. In my mind an image keeps coming up with him stormtroopering around in WWII Nazi garb.

Of course with Huckabee, He reminds me of the evil president on "24" a couple of seasons ago.

Alan Keyes voice reminds me of some evil midget alien with a sonic blaster that used to be on old cartoons.

Fred Thompson reminds of that guy on Law and Order.

re: #202 Mich-again

Some are purists and say they'd rather see the other side win than to see Candidate X from their own party win. And I've said exactly that about Ron Paul but its because I don't really consider him a genuine GOP candidate but a Bircher posing as a Republican.

re: #209 Lakedog66

Peanuts...Get yer peanuts! Does he have a beer swilling brother?

LOL

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Now all it needs is some machine guns and a rocket launcher.
Bwahahahah!

Seriously though, his policies and ideas aside, will people actually pull the lever for a guy with the last name Huckabee?

Anchor: Today President Huckabee warned Iran, ah, ahem, warned, *snort* *cough* Sorry folks, today President Huckabee said, said, ah, he said. *snicker* We'll be back after these words!

So, Huckabee doesn't have any qualifications in foreign policy, but wait ... he doesn't have a theology degree either![Link: www.wnd.com...]
Huckabee is shining now because the other candidates are boring themselves with their dull debater personas. If you want to win this, you'd better make waves outside of the turgid pseudo-serious TV debates and start setting the agenda.

re: #217 Idle Drifter

...And a fishing pole holder.

From the looks of this thread, Lizards are nearly unanimous. Huckabee will not do. I could be wrong, but I think many in Iowa are going to be rethinking their vote, now that Huckabee has revealed his foreign policy thinking. This guy is not a conservative, nor a leader.

I'd like to hear more from Tancredo, but unless he makes a big move -- and soon -- the nominee will be Mitt or Rudy.

/ I really, really, REALLY miss Reagan.

re: #212 Mich-again

And as for whatever Ann Coulter says, be careful hitching up that train. She's just nutty. And the worst kind of nutty. The kind that sounds sane one day and then unhinged another. Jeesh. She seems so weird and wired on camera that maybe she should take a page out of Emily Dickinson's playbook and stay home and write. That said, sometimes what she writes cracks me up, but then sometimes she just sounds so fake and shallow. Anyways, not what I'd call a spokesperson.

I love her books.

re: #207 Killgore Trout

You're the King of Links.

... or was that Killian.

In any case, you're both damn good.

re: #195 Tarkus289

Maybe Fred will pull a last minute turn-around.

Spencer Abraham

re: #220 Killgore Trout

And a keg of beer.

re: #215 hazzyday

Fred Thompson reminds of that guy on Law and Order.

Ha. I can almost see Paul "bug-eye" Begala grilling Fred Thompson for how back when he was DA how he forced the ADA to plea-bargain a deal with a murderer in episode 632.

re: #214 Killgore Trout

re: #202 Mich-again

...I'll vote for any GOP candidate over Hillary Obama or Edwards.

I won't. I'll take socialized medicine and surrender in Iraq before I accept the "fair tax".

That will never happen. The fair tax is far too stupid.

Why doesn't anyone talk about a flat tax anymore? Send the gov'mint 10% of what you make, then go have brunch.

re: #225 Orde

I was trying to forget that.

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Exclamation overload...
Rednecks build spider mech!
Rednecks! Beer! Science! Art!

___
I'll bet it shits machine bolts.
If I owned it, I would equip all its feet with running shoes.

You boys don't want to make the mistake of misunderestimating a successful preacher. It take some pretty slick politicking to run a large church. The reason that Huck is doing so well is that he speaks well, has a good sense of timing, and a self-deprecating humor that is endearing.

But he ain't conservative, and he ain't the one to be electing POTUS.

re: #228 Noam Sayin'

Why doesn't anyone talk about a flat tax anymore? Send the gov'mint 10% of what you make, then go have brunch.

Too simple. Too many lawyers, accountants, and IRS employees make a living that relies on a tax code that is essentially undecipherable.

It's too bad that Hunter has not pulled out from the pack. He truly is a patriot that we can rely upon in every way imo. I love his answers. I still hold out hope and won't let the *polls* sway me in the primaries.

If he doesn't make the cut, I sure hope whoever does makes tancredo and hunter a major part of the cabinet in securing our borders and sec of defense.

I don't want to see the likes of mccain nor ronpaul amongst the cabinet, that is for sure.

re: #5 Le_Patriot

I was gonna say this guy is alot like Jimmuh Carter in some ways,
but not quite as bad as Jimmuh.

That's because he hasn't become President yet. I doubt that Jimmy was as bad before he was elected as he proved to be after he became President.

re: #229 Tarkus289

re: #225 Orde

I was trying to forget that.

If you are a jew, you don't forget that.

As a non jew, I still don't forget it...major major mistake on his part. Fred really messed up his chances imo.

re: #223 song_and_dance_man

Happy 90th, Arthur C Clarke!
Clarke rules!
... and still living in in Sri Lanka from what I can tell.

No, Jimmuh ran as a moderate, and duped the country(not me)

re: #214 Killgore Trout

re: #202 Mich-again

...I'll vote for any GOP candidate over Hillary Obama or Edwards.

I won't. I'll take socialized medicine and surrender in Iraq before I accept the "fair tax".

You're never going to see the "fair" tax.

re: #82 rabidsquirrel

re: #64 song_and_dance_man

re: #55 rabidsquirrel

Not sure. I haven't been following Huck but if that's his position and he clearly articulates it in a manner that makes sense, then I'll think about and give my answer at that time.

I was being sarcastic. I doubt very much we'll ever hear Huckabee call out the true root cause of Islamic terrorism...Islam itself.

No, Muhammad turned the other cheek/

re: #196 razorbacker

re: #23 Canadian Guy

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope. The United States’ strategic interests as the world’s most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing...

What freaks in the GOP are supporting this dunce?
Next him, please.

If only there were some valuable commodity that these folks had. Something useful that people might pay good money for. Maybe something that is kinda rare, but still useable in many ways. Perhaps then sufficient income might be realized that these poor cesspools could be improved.

Personally, I'm getting kinda fed up. If it's all about blood for oil, then where's our oil? Any other country in history would be pumping the Middle East dry right now, and any goat loving boy humper that objected would be shot. But no. We're too civilized for that. For now.

I thought the 9/11 terrorists having been middle class, and the more recent plots involving doctors (in Britain, was it?) had finally dispelled the myth about poverty being the cause of terrorism. I expect denial of reality (or just stupidity) from the Dem leadership, but I couldn't believe this from a Republican Presidential candidate (OK, maybe I'd believe it from RP...). Again, this is classic socialist fare. Blame everything on "inequity" in the wealth distribution.

Ironically, we have attacked the real "underlying conditions" - the lack of freedom over there.

re: #206 hazzyday

Are you kidding about obama?

He whined and whined constantly to the press not to make fun of his ears.

Now I ask you, is that someone you truly want as president? I was apalled at how anyone could even consider him even a little in the beginning..he started this whining asap about his ears.

Grow up obama, you but a babe!

re: #188 Tarkus289

Obama is a figment of the lefts imagination. He made a decent speech
at the 04 convention and the press touted him as a "rising star" a
half a million times, even he doesn't realize that he is vaporware.

Excellent post. Obama is definitely "vaporware."

Can't wait to hear those Huck sermons. They're in Hil's closet with the photos of you know who snorting you know what. Just wait.

re: #233 Mich-again

I hear ya. I work in the financial services industry. You wouldn't believe how much our world depends (billion$) on saving our customers taxes.

Still, for the good of the country, I'd gladly move to a flat tax. I'm no longer that crazy about my job anyway.

re: #228 Noam Sayin'

Why doesn't anyone talk about a flat tax anymore? Send the gov'mint 10% of what you make, then go have brunch.

That's my real concern. "Fair tax" is fiction. It's never gonna work. But to get the easy applause line of abolishing the IRS the right wingers also throw in European flat tax as an alternative. The Fair Tax has no chance of being enacted but there's bipartisan support for European flat tax. the NeoSocialists would love it to fund socialized medicine. It's a dangerous and real possibility.

re: #35 Thanos

re: #31 Canadian Guy

Whereas there can be no rational dealings with al Qaeda, Iran is a nation-state seeking regional clout and playing the game of power politics we understand and can skillfully pursue. We cannot live with al Qaeda, but we might be able to live with a contained Iran.”

Yeah, Dhimmi Carter for sure.

That containment thing never seems to work out. Crushing, then making friends after almost always goes better.

Containment is the only thing that will work with Iran/Iraq.

re: #205 Orde

re: #23 Canadian Guy

I'm supporting him! Please try to take things in context of the totality of what he's said about the Islamic threat and try not to read into his comments unsaid assumptions. Here is more of what Huckabee has said on foreign policy:

-- source link

And his official website's foreign policy statement where he's stronger on the Saudis and has a better grasp of the situation and better and more original, non-CFR approach than any of the viable candidates I've heard from.

He sounds like a Dem to me.

Right after September 11, with wounds fresh and emotions running high, President Bush declared that all other countries were either for us or they were for the terrorists. Such a black-and-white stance doesn't work in the Arab and Muslim worlds, where there are more shades of gray than you'll find at Sherwin-Williams.

We have to get tough with Mursharaff and re-calibrate the carrots and sticks we use with him. Pakistan is the fifth largest recipient of American aid, and right now we're not getting real good value. We're in a game of chicken with this military dictator: he warns us not to pursue terrorists across the border with Afghanistan, not to strike their bases on his territory because it could cause his government to fall and an even less friendly figure to take his job. But we have to make clear to him that he is of no use to us if he allows the Taliban and Al Qaeda to use his territory with impunity. The current situation highlights that, despite our generous aid, both the Taliban and Al Qaeda enjoy a disturbing degree of popularity in Pakistan. Ultimately it is this popularity contest, this war of ideas, that we have to win. Creativity and flexibility are Musharaff's keys to retaining power.

Sure he identifies the problem, but what's his solution. Tough talk? Creativity and flexibility?

The terrorists have succeeded in dividing us over how to fight them, but we are not taking full advantage of their divisions and of the broader divisions in the region. For example, Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Hezbollah are all terrorist groups, but Hamas and Al Qaeda are Sunni and hate Hezbollah, which is Shiite, as much as they hate us.

We get criticized for our arrogance, but it's our ignorance that's killing us.

Where did I hear that talking point today? Hmmm
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Yes. America is arrogant. If only it wasn't arrogant the Jihad would stop and all of Europe would love America.

I want to be able to treat Saudi Arabia the same way I treat Sweden, and that requires us to be energy independent.

Good luck with that.

re: #239 rabidsquirrel

It's the flat tax I really fear. See #246

If the USA is slowly moving toward a multiple party system, than the key to future elections might be in the House of Representatives, because they are the ones who will decide any Presidential election in which no candidate gets a majority (270) electoral votes. This is the self correcting factor for the flash-in-the-pan 3rd Party Presidential candidates. Because even if they do split the other parties' votes, then the worst case is election goes to the House where it will fall back to party lines. Unless of course that 3rd party candidate is so strong that they win the 270 electoral votes. But its more likely Hillary will wear a Prom Dress to the next debate.

re: #240 mjazzguitar

re: #82 rabidsquirrel

re: #64 song_and_dance_man

re: #55 rabidsquirrelNot sure. I haven't been following Huck but if that's his position and he clearly articulates it in a manner that makes sense, then I'll think about and give my answer at that time.

I was being sarcastic. I doubt very much we'll ever hear Huckabee call out the true root cause of Islamic terrorism...Islam itself.

No, Muhammad turned the other cheek/

Big Mo is ever so merciful...kind of like Amon Goeth in Schindler's List.

re: #202 Mich-again

Asking which candidate you'd most like to see be President is different than asking which candidate from your party is most likely to win the election. So the question is.. Is the party more important than the person?

Some are purists and say they'd rather see the other side win than to see Candidate X from their own party win. And I've said exactly that about Ron Paul but its because I don't really consider him a genuine GOP candidate but a Bircher posing as a Republican.

So I'll keep sitting waiting wishing and make up my mind sometime before the MI primary. But really, I'll vote for any GOP candidate over Hillary Obama or Edwards.

I believe Ron Paul has actually run as a Libertarian before (even while holding elected office as a Republican!), so your comment about him not being a "true" Republican is apt.

I discount Paul, because apart from the image in the minds of his robotical followers, and the mockery he gets on this site he's a non-entity. The only way he's going to get the Republican nomination is if a bomb goes off at the next debate, and he's the only survivor. . .and even then, still probably not.

On party vs. person, in this particular case, its a pretty easy decision given the strengths of the various sides. At least several of the Republican candidates are decent choices with extensive executive experience (eg Romney, Giuliani) or decades of national experience (eg McCain), where as pretty much nobody on the Dem side is. Really, what does it say about the Dems that a lightweight like Obama is not only considered a real candidate, but is actually competitive?

Frankly none of the candidates are "perfect", but so what? Is our current president "perfect"? I'd argue that Bush wasn't the best of the Republican candidates. Was Bush I "perfect"? Even Reagan wasn't perfect.

Again, I'll take *any* of them over the leading Dem candidates. Splitting the vote because the Republican candidate isn't "pure" enough in a few issues is just a guaranteed way to ensure that a Dem far worse on those same issues gets elected.

re: #246 Killgore Trout

With all due respect, Killgore. I don't see a connection between flat tax and socialized medicine. We send the government X% and they spend within that means. Seems to me it would actually be very easy to figure out that the government can't afford to pay for socialized medicine within that budget. What am I missing?

Taxation without representation! The Dems are not representing 'we the the people'!

re: #229 Tarkus289

Do not forget. He is not fit to be President. He had to know about Abraham...and his buddies, the terrorists.

As a Jew? I would spit in Thompson's face. He pulled some other crap with his son...Fred set up a fund that payed his son $178,000...until it was found out.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

re: #17 Thanos

Fred wouldn't take backseat. I think President Rudy is going to surprise us with his VP nomination.

That's true about Fred ... and maybe what you say about Rudy. Too bad liberals know Lynne is married to Dick. How about Rudy and Alan?

Who would make a good running mate for Romney? ...

re: #249 Killgore Trout

re: #239 rabidsquirrel

It's the flat tax I really fear. See #246

They way I read your #246, it's not so much the flat tax itself that you fear, but what may come as a result of it. If so, I can certainly understand your apprehension.

The truth of the matter is, I don't believe I'll ever see a complete overhaul of the tax system in my lifetime. Too many interests in keeping the status quo.

I re: #256 NY Nana

I stand corrected ... Fred is out.

re: #246 Killgore Trout

re: #228 Noam Sayin'

Why doesn't anyone talk about a flat tax anymore? Send the gov'mint 10% of what you make, then go have brunch.

That's my real concern. "Fair tax" is fiction. It's never gonna work. But to get the easy applause line of abolishing the IRS the right wingers also throw in European flat tax as an alternative. The Fair Tax has no chance of being enacted but there's bipartisan support for European flat tax. the NeoSocialists would love it to fund socialized medicine. It's a dangerous and real possibility.

I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying it would be an additional tax? What's the deal with the "European flat tax"? (And why would anybody want to copy what Europe does, considering their relative lack of success at most things).

re: #245 Noam Sayin'

re: #233 Mich-again

Still, for the good of the country..

Spoken like a true Conservative.