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Neo-Nazis Say: Ron Paul is One of Us

Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 5:49:26 pm PST

Take this one with a grain of salt, please.

But at one of the ugliest neo-Nazi sites on the web, Vanguard News Network, the leader of the American National Socialist Workers Party says Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists.

(The link goes to a Google redirect page, because I won’t link directly to these vile creeps.)

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists

Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous — and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

(Hat tip: Lone Star Times.)

UPDATE at 12/19/07 5:52:00 pm:

Charges for the Tara Thai restaurant show up on this page listing DISBURSEMENTS FOR RON PAUL 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE.

(Hat tip: Render.)

UPDATE at 12/19/07 6:50:25 pm:

More corroboration of the neo-Nazi’s claim: Extremist Group Announces Speech by Congressman.

The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:50:23pm
2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:51:11pm
3 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:51:41pm

Bill White?

Wasn't he the black Yankees announcer?

4 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:52:03pm

I feel the need to say something that would certainly be deletable.

5 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:52:23pm

I am not surprised, these guys tend to eat their own. Another reason to keep your distance from them.

6 Bearster  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:52:53pm
and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

And I hate seeing people promote racism because they can't think!

7 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:53:12pm

Check the Update....

8 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:53:43pm

American National Socialist Workers Party?

Do they have any Code Pink affiliations?

9 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:53:55pm

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

Bill White?

Wasn't he the black Yankees announcer?

One hell of a costume!

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:54:15pm
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.


That's pretty specific information. Should be easy to check out.

11 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:54:18pm

My Dickhead brother supports Ron Paul......he fits right in with the American National Socialist Workers Party.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

12 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:54:31pm
13 American Soldier  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:54:56pm

Ron Paul!

14 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:55:07pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.


That's pretty specific information. Should be easy to check out.

Might as well get a review of the food while your at it.

15 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:55:12pm

Tara Thai 314.59

16 American Soldier  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:56:20pm

Paul shoulda been more careful about his party Thais.

17 blutonazi98  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:57:39pm

i hate seeing gelflings and lesbians ride UFOs into congress and use their alien powers to control the government


blutonazi, Admiral
Little Green Football Navy

/if LGF has a navy. if not i just created it and made myself an admiral.

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:57:43pm

re: #7 Thanos

Check the Update....

"Tear A Thigh" is getting awfully close to the buttocks!

19 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:57:49pm

Ron Paul also spent $16.32 at Subway.

I always had suspicions about Jared.

/

20 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:58:10pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.


That's pretty specific information. Should be easy to check out.

Beat me to it; I was thinking the same thing.

Any Washington Lizards around? I might also check with my friends in Washington and see what they know.

21 sick of it all  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:58:11pm

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

22 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:58:26pm

There's a lot of money from Kum and Go...

/just sayin'

23 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:58:33pm
24 Nemo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:58:39pm

What's scarier, the story being valid and verifiable or the number of hard core Ron Paul supporters? What would send me over the edge would be that his supporters actually believe this to be true and their support is based on that belief. I could not even imagine that day coming in this country.

25 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:59:02pm

re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

Hit a nerve, eh?

26 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:59:06pm

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

Ron Paul also spent $16.32 at Subway.

I always had suspicions about Jared.

/

Oh, darn! I used to eat at Subway when I had the money for it.

27 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 5:59:23pm

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

48 nazi rule in effect

SPEW!

28 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:00:06pm

The Foo bird is doing this thing! Let's see if Paul wipes it off or not!

29 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:00:41pm

interesting how the moonbat leftist will react to the open support from real fascists for RON PAUL Y.A.A.F.M.

30 threecoloursblue  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:00:43pm

re: #15 Thanos

Cheap bastards, nazis, aren't they?

31 mikalm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:00:44pm
32 nihilist  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:00:51pm

Wow, this is some pretty serious stuff. Ron Paul's campaign is about to have a problem.

33 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:00:58pm

Well, the Keow Tod is going to hit the fan now.

34 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:01:14pm

re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

Do you even know the difference between the various socialists? Fascism is socialism as is Communism.

They all hate individual liberty.

35 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:02:23pm

But wait! Maybe they're just patriots struggling against the soft tyranny of bureaucratic centralization! You've obviously been reading the propaganda of the state and their enemies! And their symbols and banners are merely recollections of their Celtic ancestry and good luck symbols used by any number of ancient people like Hindus and Buddhists and American Indians and Egyptians and stuff like that. Since they eat at Thai restaurants they can't be mindless xenophobes! They are really sophisticated and nuanced. We just don't understand. But they're really on our side.

36 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:18pm

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

Do you even know the difference between the various socialists? Fascism is socialism as is Communism.

They all hate individual liberty.

Yes ma'am. Indeed they do.

37 Bleepless  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:21pm

True enough, you cannot prevent the unpleasant from supporting you, as is amply clear to anyone who ever had an appalling would-be girlfriend. What you can prevent is keeping the scummy ones from being encouraged by your welcoming attitude or by your refusal to oppose them. Paul, you may not be a Nazi, but you certainly are a fellow-traveller. If you actually had any ideals, I would urge you to exercise them.

38 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:34pm

Is his goose (-stepping base) cooked now?

39 mean Gene  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:40pm

Catch Hannity and Colmes tonight, a Ron Paul skin head introduces a video.

40 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:03:48pm

I'll be watching you closely, RP!

41 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:04:00pm

re: #32 nihilist

Wow, this is some pretty serious stuff. Ron Paul's campaign is about to have a problem.

Ron Paul's campaign deserves to meltdown....let it burn!

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

42 threecoloursblue  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:04:54pm

Ron Paul... The Skibereen Eagle is watching you !

43 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:05:06pm

Who had the Luap Nor Pad Thai?

44 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:05:31pm

Council of Conservative Citizens (Marcus Epstein) is also the same group that hosted Filip DeWinter, Frank VanHecke, and Paul Belien at the "VB goes to Washington" event last February.

SWITCH,
R

45 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:05:37pm

re: #25 Charles

re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

Hit a nerve, eh?

I wouldn't call him a Socialist. I would say that as a Libertarian he, like most Socialists, are poseurs who strut about and pretend to be a superior being.

[Les is a former member of the Libertarian Party.]

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:05:46pm

re: #35 Lucius Septimius

How sensitive of you!

47 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:06:59pm

VB connected to Nazis, Nazis connected to Ron Paul, Ron Paul connected to . . .

/John Edwards' love child?

48 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:07:17pm

I HATE RON PAUL NAZI'S

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:07:20pm
50 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:07:52pm

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Lucius Septimius ... re: "sensitivity"
EEEK ... I meant to add italics and a /sarc, but hit the wrong thing with my mouse!

51 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:07:57pm

re: #45 The Other Les

I still think he's a populist railing against the elites, but that's just me.

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:08:02pm

Here's another curious charge from Ron Paul's campaign....

Frazee, Jeffrey $11,579.63

That's an awful lot of money for a 24 year old with a myspace page: Jeff Frazee (Ron Paul 2008)

53 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:08:06pm

re: #34 MandyManners

Mandy,

Take a look at it's posts..it is spewing all over other threads, also.

54 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:09:33pm
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Charles I have read about these dinners and these connections in other places as well. Mostly when I was researching the CCC and the Pioneer Fund.

Grain of salt not withstanding.... I think this shit is true.

I will have to look through 10 million links to find the references to it from other sources but for now, I am just stating I have heard of these dinner meetings before today.

55 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:09:51pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

re: #45 The Other Les

I still think he's a populist railing against the elites, but that's just me.


He Is one of the Elites Sharmuta....

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

56 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:10:25pm
57 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:10:25pm

Ron Paul always struck me as being -- to put it politely -- naive. Is it possible that he meets with the Council of Conservative Citizens without knowing who they are?

/ Sounds ridiculous, I know, but we're dealing with Ron Paul, here . . .

58 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:10:42pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

re: #45 The Other Les

I still think he's a populist railing against the elites, but that's just me.

Given how f**ked up the elites are these days he should get in line. Back there somewhere.

59 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:10:50pm

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

Are fascists loyal troofers?

No. Troofers actually believe what they are saying and are either imbeciles or in need of extensive mental health care. Fascists say what ever they think will help them gain power whether they believe it or not.

60 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:11:11pm

re: #17 blutonazi98

i hate seeing gelflings and lesbians ride UFOs into congress and use their alien powers to control the government


blutonazi, Admiral
Little Green Football Navy

/if LGF has a navy. if not i just created it and made myself an admiral.


LOL!

AHOY!

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:11:29pm
62 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:11:50pm

re: #57 Defogger

no it is not possible.

63 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:11:57pm
Grassroots Solutions Inc. $49,825.54


That's some expensive astroturf.

64 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:12:42pm

re: #45 The Other Les

re: #25 Charles


re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?


Hit a nerve, eh?

I wouldn't call him a Socialist. I would say that as a Libertarian he, like most Socialists, are poseurs who strut about and pretend to be a superior being.

[Les is a former member of the Libertarian Party.]

Yes, there are a lot of these types in the Libertarian party now -- pseudo libertarians. Birchers, outcasts the right & from the left you see socialists creeping in due to the ridiculous "non-aggression" pledge and legalized drugs...

65 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:12:52pm

re: #60 BabbaZee

BabbaZee! How are you!

66 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:12:57pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Good catch!

67 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:13:15pm

Live by the goosestep, die by the goosestep.

68 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:13:29pm

re: #37 Bleepless

True enough, you cannot prevent the unpleasant from supporting you, as is amply clear to anyone who ever had an appalling would-be girlfriend. What you can prevent is keeping the scummy ones from being encouraged by your welcoming attitude or by your refusal to oppose them. Paul, you may not be a Nazi, but you certainly are a fellow-traveller. If you actually had any ideals, I would urge you to exercise them.

And he hangs with troofer talk show hosts.

69 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:13:37pm

re: #55 Maximu§

re: #58 The Other Les

Hahaha!You two were on the same train of thought, I think.

Elitists never want to point to the fact that there are a part of the same establishment they want to tear down. In reality- they want to keep the same system, just fill it with their own people. Problem "solved".

70 onyxraven1979  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:13:58pm

Nothing I have ever heard Ron Paul say or do would indicate he is a National Socialist. He a (misguided) isolationist and libertarian who needs to spend less time with the Troofers. Pre 9/11 I would have agreed with him. I was naive too. But I noticed we cannot ignore the rest of the world on 9/11/01. That was a lesson that should have been learned on 12/7/41.

On another subject. I really hate those white trash 'Neo' Nazis. Since most do not have an education past the 4th grade, they don't realize that tattooed losers without jobs (like themselves) would have sent right to a concentration camp with all the Jews, Catholics, Freemasons, Gypsies, etc. that they hate. If you were an able bodied person in Nazi Germany, and twice refused work, you got a one way ticket to a concentration camp. Ever see Hitler with tattoos and a shaved head? Wake up morons. Nazis would have hated you too. Nazis, Neo or otherwise are evil scum. Go to the ash heap of history where your Fuhrer went in 1945.

71 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:14:01pm

re: #65 goddessoftheclassroom
I am how I am, lol! Hope you are well.
Good to see you!

72 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:14:15pm

I wouldn't have posted this, by the way, except for the link Render found, proving that Ron Paul has indeed been at that restaurant. The CCC dinners are well documented from many other sources.

Kudos to Render.

73 dahveed  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:14:29pm

re: #57 Defogger

You raise an excellent point. Maybe we are wrong to think that Ron Paul has it all together. Maybe he is truly naive and we all have been giving him too much credit.

74 Ma Sands  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:14:37pm

The temperature appears, at least to me, to be turning.....there is no longer "only" mocking & laughing at Ron Paul.....he's got a toehold --he's being argued about....in here!

75 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:14:53pm

re: #64 Thanos

I want weed legalized. Not enough to vote for this asshole though.

LOL!

76 MiB  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:15:35pm

Hey lizards,

I've met Ron Paul - live in Texas and used to travel about libertarian movements.

I'm hispanic, and at the time he was talking with a Jewish friend of mine, so if he is a white supremacist he apparently hides it really well around, you know, all the Jews and hispanics he talks to.

Smells like something fishy to me.

77 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:15:45pm

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh.

No sarc tag needed, my friend.

If we just tried to understand them .... they'd love us, I know it.

/!

78 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:15:47pm

re: #73 dahveed

not.

79 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:16:03pm
80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:16:26pm

re: #57 Defogger

Ron Paul always struck me as being -- to put it politely -- naive. Is it possible that he meets with the Council of Conservative Citizens without knowing who they are?

/ Sounds ridiculous, I know, but we're dealing with Ron Paul, here . . .

Y'know, it could be. It's happened before. Look at Jimmy Carter way back when. A clueless babe-in-the-woods idiot if there ever was one.

81 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:16:39pm
82 dahveed  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:17:05pm

re: #78 BabbaZee

Yeah, you're probably right.

83 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:17:19pm

re: #76 MiB


Oh fucking please

84 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:17:32pm

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

exactly, lol

85 McNug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:17:36pm

I didn't have to get halfway through this before I realized it was from Bill White.

Take it with an entire shaker of salt, folks.
Bill White's relationship with the "mainstream" white nationalist community is bizarre. He often makes things up to get them in trouble, in order to drum up attention for his own private business ventures.

See:
[Link: onepeoplesproject.com...]

86 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:17:37pm

re: #60 BabbaZee

re: #17 blutonazi98


i hate seeing gelflings and lesbians ride UFOs into congress and use their alien powers to control the government


blutonazi, Admiral
Little Green Football Navy

/if LGF has a navy. if not i just created it and made myself an admiral.


LOL!

AHOY!

Is that Gilbert & Sullivan I hear playing?

87 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:19:22pm

re: #82 dahveed

It was possible for some enthusiastic American bloggers to go to Belgium and not know precisely who they were meeting with.

It is not possible for loony American presidential candidates to not know precisely who he is eating with.

88 Alouette  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:19:24pm

re: #76 MiB


Smells like something fishy to me.

That's just the whorehouse next door.

89 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:19:57pm

re: #74 Ma Sands

The temperature appears, at least to me, to be turning.....there is no longer "only" mocking & laughing at Ron Paul.....he's got a toehold --he's being argued about....in here!

Great point. And this guy is worrisome, we may think he is a joke but I have to tell you, me mum (a Christian Republican) called me the other day to ask my advise on RP. She said "who is this guy, I never heard of him before but he keeps winning all of these Rep. polls, should I consider him to vote for?". I'm glad she called.

90 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:20:11pm

re: #72 Charles

I wouldn't have posted this, by the way, except for the link Render found, proving that Ron Paul has indeed been at that restaurant. The CCC dinners are well documented from many other sources.

Kudos to Render.


Kudos to Render for many finds

91 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:20:22pm

re: #85 McNug

The Apostle Ron Paul was there,
it's on his expense report.

92 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:20:47pm

re: #90 Thanos

re: #72 Charles

I wouldn't have posted this, by the way, except for the link Render found, proving that Ron Paul has indeed been at that restaurant. The CCC dinners are well documented from many other sources.

Kudos to Render.


Kudos to Render for many finds


Amen to that

93 Alouette  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:21:04pm
94 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:21:47pm

re: #80 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is not cluelessness that is agenda.

95 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:21:57pm

Snyder, Kent- $90,674.61

Kent Snyder is the executive director of the Liberty Committee. Prior to joining the committee, Kent managed the San Francisco office of Unified Communications - a telecommunications company based in Boston, Massachusetts. Kent graduated with a B.A. in political science from Golden Gate University in San Francisco and worked for Congressman Ron Paul when he ran for president on the Libertarian ticket.

Source
More writings of Kent Snyder

$90,000 is a lot of money, but thank God for that 61 cents.

96 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:22:08pm

Leaving aside the exact beliefs of the individual nuts in RP's loosely assembled cluster for a moment, (and you know what I mean when I say cluster)
any supporter of RP has to be able to answer this:
Why is Ron Paul running for the Presidency if he doesn't want to take responsibility for anything? It's a leadership position, not a Jiminy Cricket position.
Americans expect the President to have more of a workable program than just
"I won't do the bad things they did."
We've already experienced one Carter too many.

97 pegcity[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:22:11pm
98 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:22:22pm

I hate Arlington, Virginia, Nazis.

Good to see RP getting some of that "blowback" from meddling with the Nazis.

Meanwhile at Paul campaign headquarters. "Shit, They're on to us. Everybody run to the blimp."

99 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:22:23pm

re: #78 BabbaZee

Glad to see you here so late in the day.

100 Globular Cluster  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:09pm

Why should we take this with a grain of salt?

101 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:13pm

This Paul guy gravitates to who ever will have him.

102 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:26pm

re: #72 Charles

Irreconcilable Differences

Just weeks after Citizens Informer Editor Sam Francis selected him as successor, Joel LeFevre had to take up the reins of the racist Council of Conservative Citizens’ publication because of Francis’ sudden death, putting out his first issue in March 2005. LeFevre had been a regular participant in the monthly roundtable discussions that Francis hosted at the Sala Thai Restaurant in Arlington, Va., but only joined the CCC, he told the Intelligence Report, after CCC boss Gordon Baum assured him that the group was not anti-Semitic. LeFevre’s attitude toward Jews, however, does not extend to black people. He rejects the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment, which gave former slaves citizenship, calling it “an abomination—a death knell not only to the old confederation of States, but to the white race itself.”

If only there was a way to match the date on Ron Paul's charge to a Council of Conservative Citizens meeting.

103 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:26pm

re: #76 MiB

Hey lizards,

I've met Ron Paul - live in Texas and used to travel about libertarian movements.

I'm hispanic, and at the time he was talking with a Jewish friend of mine, so if he is a white supremacist he apparently hides it really well around, you know, all the Jews and hispanics he talks to.

Smells like something fishy to me.

Basic rule of being a successful bad guy. Pretend to be a good guy and hang around those who claim to be, or are perceived to be, good guys.

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:37pm

re: #77 Lucius Septimius

pitterpat pitterpat
pitterpat pitterpat
pitterpat pitterpat
pitterpat pitterpat
My heart trembling in anticipation of Cosmic Wholeness!

105 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:45pm

re: #76 MiB

Ever heard of Norman Finklestein or Marcus Epstein?

re: #85 McNug

Ever heard of Kevin Alfred Strom?

PUZZLE
PIECES,
R

106 dahveed  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:24:49pm

re: #87 BabbaZee

It is more like wishful thinking that this guy is just plain dumb rather than a fascist. But the two aren't mutually exclusive.

You are right though. He knows precisely who is giving money to him.

107 McNug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:25:02pm

re: #91 BabbaZee

re: #85 McNug

The Apostle Ron Paul was there,
it's on his expense report.

Well yes, but whether anyone from IHR/AR/SF/CCC was there with him is still an open question, isn't it?

108 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:25:06pm

re: #96 jaunte

huckabee and obama remind me more of carter than ron paul

ron paul sort of reminds me of a more nuttier h.ross parot

109 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:26:10pm

This Nazi BS is like a Monty Python sketch.

Investigator: "But these guys are Nazis!"
RP: "No they're not."
Nazis: "Yes we are!"
RP: "Nonsense!"
Nazis: "Look we'll show you!" (goose-steps around, gives Heil Hitler salute)
RP: "Ha. Everybody knows that real Nazis have helmets."
Nazis: (put on helmets, goose-step around, give Heil Hitler salute)
Investigator: "SEE!"
Nazis: "See?"
RP: "But they told us they weren't Nazis."
Nazis: "No we didn't."

...

110 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:26:11pm

re: #108 yochanan

re: #96 jaunte

huckabee and obama remind me more of carter than ron paul

ron paul sort of reminds me of a more nuttier h.ross parot

I tend to agree with that assessment

111 Globular Cluster  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:26:13pm

Tancredo pulling out of race.

112 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:26:59pm

re: #85 McNug

I didn't have to get halfway through this before I realized it was from Bill White.

Take it with an entire shaker of salt, folks.
Bill White's relationship with the "mainstream" white nationalist community is bizarre. He often makes things up to get them in trouble, in order to drum up attention for his own private business ventures.

See:
[Link: onepeoplesproject.com...]

You think it's (possibly) or (probably) a put-on?

113 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:27:12pm

re: #93 Alouette

Palestinians are so used to lying they will say fucking anything.

In another development, Abbas said Tuesday he supported a French proposal to deploy an international force in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

"We are in favor of President [Nicolas] Sarkozy's idea and we are going to work for it to become an international position," Abbas said. "We accept it."

At Monday's donors' conference in Paris, Sarkozy called for an international force "when the time comes and when the conditions are right" to "support the Palestinian security services."

But Hamas and several armed groups rejected the idea, saying they would use force to prevent international troops from entering the Gaza Strip. "We will treat them as an occupation force and they will be targeted just like Israel," said a spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committee, an alliance of terror groups in the Gaza Strip.

Ultimately, this is none of our business. We must focus on the "enemy domestic," you know, the ones who got us involved in the 60 year-old quagmire in Korea. Bring the boys home! Then there will be Peace on Earth. So says Nor Luap! Truth to Impotence!

114 Ma Sands  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:27:45pm

re: #89 VegasRick

Yes.....there is a great number of people who vote for someone because they think they remember somebody might have mentioned that name someplace..... ):

115 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:27:50pm

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party, or "Nazi Party")

American National Socialist Workers Party

116 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:27:55pm

re: #111 Globular Cluster

tfk going postal in 10, 9, 8, ...

117 MiB  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:28:01pm

re: #105 Render

re: #76 MiB

Ever heard of Norman Finklestein or Marcus Epstein?

No. Care to explain yourself?

118 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:28:08pm

re: #101 pat

This Paul guy gravitates to who ever will have him.

After the 80s you'd think he'd be more cautious about that.

119 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:28:22pm

re: #99 Pro-Bush Canuck

Hey PBC
Ya usually I am not free this time of night.
I should be reading / working on other things with this free time
but I just don't have the head for it at the moment
So now I 'm here!

120 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:28:58pm

and I will mention that the Troofers seem universally to be white kids with black shirts and a strange intensity. I am not talking about the enablers like Rosie, but the ones in the trenches handing out the literature. Cookie Cutter

121 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:29:14pm

re: #108 yochanan

re: #96 jaunte

huckabee and obama remind me more of carter than ron paul

ron paul sort of reminds me of a more nuttier h.ross parot

He has the nutty quotient, yes; I'm thinking more of the heavy garment of (self) righteousness he wears.

122 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:29:14pm

re: #100 Globular Cluster

because the author of the screed is a questionable source

123 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:29:15pm

re: #119 BabbaZee

Freddy was a god.

124 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:29:44pm

re: #98 Canadian Guy

I hate Arlington, Virginia, Nazis.

There's something about Arlington and nazis. George Lincoln Rockwell, the ur-American nazi, had his headquarters in Arlington, and was gunned down in 1967 about 500 yards from Tara Thai.

125 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:30:33pm

re: #107 McNug

For you yes

126 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:30:38pm

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

Bill White?

Wasn't he the black Yankees announcer?

/Wrong Bill White, JWF. This "Bill White" was a Chicago Blackhawks defenseman in the early 70's...

127 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:30:45pm

re: #119 BabbaZee

re: #99 Pro-Bush Canuck

Hey PBC
Ya usually I am not free this time of night.
I should be reading / working on other things with this free time
but I just don't have the head for it at the moment
So now I 'm here!


YAY! sez the minions.

glad to see yez, babba dearest!

ron paul makes as much sense as this

128 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:30:53pm

re: #123 Pro-Bush Canuck

I knew I loved you

129 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:31:01pm

wow this is some POTUS race. We have:

White Nationalists.
Black Racialists.
Cross-Dressers
Mormons
Preachers
Adulterers
...
...
...
...

What did I leave out?

130 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:31:03pm

THIS is the guy of small government? Holy crap! He might as well be LBJ for all the connections he's got.

131 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:31:37pm

Well, as much as I would like this "report" from Bill White to be true, I'm going to observe the 48 hour rule on this one. It just seems too good (or bad) to be true.

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:32:02pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

OUCH! Good find!

133 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:32:31pm

re: #100 Globular Cluster

Why should we take this with a grain of salt?

Because the source is VERY suspect...

But I certainly would LOVE to hear an explanation for this from Paul, and a stinging, (one that sears into memory, SEARS I tell you) unequivocal rebuke of the white nationalist movement.

I'm white as can be, and very nationalist. But the only part of that that matters is the latter...so bite me nazi scum.

134 MiB  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:32:40pm

re: #125 BabbaZee

Hello Babba,

I guess I missed the stuff before. Could you please link to what you think is conclusive evidence that Paul is a white supremacist?

135 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:32:57pm

re: #129 WrathofG-d

wow this is some POTUS race. We have:

White Nationalists.
Black Racialists.
Cross-Dressers
Mormons
Preachers
Adulterers
...
...
...
...

What did I leave out?

a great candidate who would be ronnie incarnate. =)

136 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:33:00pm

Freddy is still the King.

137 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:33:04pm

re: #127 blue_like_jazz

Blue! Glad to see you too.
Manamana makes WAY more sense than Paulicus Minimus!

138 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:33:58pm

re: #137 BabbaZee

re: #127 blue_like_jazz

Blue! Glad to see you too.
Manamana makes WAY more sense than Paulicus Minimus!

bwahahahahahahaha!

howz yer innards?

139 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:34:26pm

Getting warmer......

Council of Conservative Citizens, Washington DC Meetup Group

When?
Tuesday, Jan 1, 2008, 7:00 PM 20080102T000000Z
Where?
Sala Thai

140 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:34:28pm

re: #135 blue_like_jazz

re: #129 WrathofG-d

wow this is some POTUS race. We have:

White Nationalists.
Black Racialists.
Cross-Dressers
Mormons
Preachers
Adulterers
...
...
...
...

What did I leave out?

a great candidate who would be ronnie incarnate. =)

A witch
A plagiarist
Dumbo

141 McNug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:34:36pm

re: #112 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You think it's (possibly) or (probably) a put-on?

I think there's a 50/50 chance that this is a put-on.

I have been observing Bill White's antics (as well as a few other branches of the nazi movement) for a number of years. I think the most likely explanation for this is that Bill White has developed a personal grudge against someone working on the Paul campaign and so he is going into smear mode.

Wait and watch. If it's true, I hope this is enough to sink the Paul campaign.

142 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:34:56pm

re: #106 dahveed

the two are definitely not mutually exclusive !

143 tarkus  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:34:58pm

once again thanks charles for bringing this to light. Ron Paul always did give the me the creeps every time I see him speak. You get the feeling he would love to rant on about the Jews other undesirables....

144 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:35:11pm

re: #109 Pawn of the Oppressor

This Nazi BS is like a Monty Python sketch.

Investigator: "But these guys are Nazis!"
RP: "No they're not."
Nazis: "Yes we are!"
RP: "Nonsense!"
Nazis: "Look we'll show you!" (goose-steps around, gives Heil Hitler salute)
RP: "Ha. Everybody knows that real Nazis have helmets."
Nazis: (put on helmets, goose-step around, give Heil Hitler salute)
Investigator: "SEE!"
Nazis: "See?"
RP: "But they told us they weren't Nazis."
Nazis: "No we didn't."

...

"Yes you DID!"
"We never did!"

Excellent...

145 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:35:41pm

re: #138 blue_like_jazz

missing!

146 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:36:04pm

re: #93 Alouette

Did the guy on the stretcher get off and walk away after the camera wasn't on him?

Love you new avatar!

147 jimsaco  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:36:10pm

What a coalition of the disaffected surrounds the good Doctor.

At what point do you become known by the company you keep?

I am a libertarian but at what point do all the Klansmen, Nazis, Confederacy supporters and Truthers poison the well?

I am starting to fear libertarianism will be destroyed by this.

148 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:36:21pm

The Witch has as her chief of staff a radical Muslim, but no one wants to talk about that

149 Luigi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:36:58pm

Ron Paul reveals his strategy for national defense

[Link: img162.imageshack.us...]

[Link: www.echobasetoys.com...]

150 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:37:04pm

re: #148 pat

She also gets better looking chicks than her old man

lol

151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:37:17pm

re: #141 McNug

Thanks for the insight.

152 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:37:29pm

re: #129 WrathofG-d

Lesbian....

153 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:37:32pm

re: #116 unclassifiable

re: #111 Globular Cluster

tfk going postal in 10, 9, 8, ...

Don't worry tfk, he'll still be around to point at the huge pink elephant in the oval office of illegal immigration!

154 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:04pm

Is ron paul simultaneously running for re-election for his congressional seat, or does he still have time to drop out of the Presidential campaign and try to keep his seat in congress? His web site doesn't say.

155 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:09pm

re: #53 NY Nana

re: #34 MandyManners

Mandy,

Take a look at it's posts..it is spewing all over other threads, also.

It seems to have its head up its ass.

156 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:14pm

re: #76 MiB

Hey lizards,

I've met Ron Paul - live in Texas and used to travel about libertarian movements.

I'm hispanic, and at the time he was talking with a Jewish friend of mine, so if he is a white supremacist he apparently hides it really well around, you know, all the Jews and hispanics he talks to.

Smells like something fishy to me.

If he's a white supremacist now, it doesn't necessarily mean he was one from birth, or even one a decade ago. Something could have happened that changed his worldview for the worst...

157 MiB  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:23pm

re: #147 jimsaco

Its always been a problem of libertarianism - it has no real ideology, only a loose set of goals. So you get a lot of nuts in the party who get all their mucky nastiness on other members of the party, who are told that its not OK to judge other people so long as they want small government.

This is, if true, a continuation of that pattern of "tolerance."

158 tarkus  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:24pm

re: #133 wvobiwan

i love the icon.

159 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:32pm

Ron Paul is very popular here in left-wing Boulder.

160 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:47pm

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Too bad, Ive heard him talking on the Michael savage show and he was the only candidate that had a handle on illegal immigration.

161 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:54pm

re: #152 NY Nana

No proof she is actually a lesbian. (just mean statements)

nor is there proof she is actually a witch either for that matter.

162 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:38:55pm
163 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:39:25pm

He's a spoiler is all he is.

164 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:39:37pm

re: #162 song_and_dance_man

that is Led Zeppelin mind you.

165 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:39:50pm

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

"The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va."

Anybody wanna take a guess at which restaurant in Arlington, Va is being talked about in the above link?

GAME
TIME,
R

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:12pm

re: #143 tarkus

(I'm KIDDING ... ahead of time!)

Y'now, if I cover one eye and hold my head sideways, your avatar looks like a ... GASP ... Odin's Cross! Shriek! Charles! Stinky!

167 MiB  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:24pm

re: #156 NomadOfNorad

That is true, I suppose - but this was in '05, iirc.

I think its much more likely, if he has/does meet up with those folks, to be more of his libertarianism "shining" through - ie, don't judge a person by the ideas he holds, so long as he agrees to help you out politically.

S'why I left the libertarian party.

168 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:25pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Um

I think I know what you mean :)

169 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:34pm

OT

Britney Spears Hot little sister is pregnant?

Whos the licky Man?......er Lucky

170 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:37pm

re: #161 WrathofG-d

re: #152 NY Nana

No proof she is actually a lesbian. (just mean statements)

nor is there proof she is actually a witch either for that matter.

All we need to do is weigh her, then we'd know for sure.

171 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:41pm

re: #164 WrathofG-d

LOVE YOUR AVATAR!

172 average_guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:40:54pm

#21 sick of it all
a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

TROLL ALERT

173 sheepdippeddog  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:41:17pm

Wow....just read the whole thread over there.....time mark 02:37 ZULU

I give the that WN trash about 45 more minutes before they realize they are being observed and delete the whole thread.

174 Luigi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:41:27pm

Ron's going to upgrade the navy, too..

[Link: home.exetel.com.au...]

175 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:41:35pm
176 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:41:37pm

re: #170 Lucius Septimius

LOL.

What else floats?......

/a duck?

re: #171 blue_like_jazz

thank you

177 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:41:38pm

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Dagnabit. For years as a voter for him, I've liked his stand against illegal immigration.

178 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:41:44pm

re: #173 sheepdippeddog

I doubt it- they seem proud of what they are.

179 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:42:01pm

re: #170 Lucius Septimius

re: #161 WrathofG-d

re: #152 NY Nana

No proof she is actually a lesbian. (just mean statements)

nor is there proof she is actually a witch either for that matter.

All we need to do is weigh her, then we'd know for sure.

she's actually a duck

180 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:42:05pm

re: #175 song_and_dance_man

Yes I knew that....just didn't know who said it.

Thank you.

181 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:42:33pm

re: #176 WrathofG-d

great minds and all that... bwahaha!

182 neocon hippie  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:42:36pm

Any lizardoids in or near Arlington VA who can stop by the Tara Thai the next few Wednesday evenings? Who know, this crowd might be hanging out there at this very moment.

I went to the thread in question and the responses are, er, interesting. And this signature line of one McKinley is rather revolting to say the least.

183 Steffan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:42:54pm

National Socialism is socialism with a strong chauvinistic element. The one most often seen concerns racial identity, usually white or Aryan.... but the Baathists were Arab National Socialists (the English translation of the Baathist Party's Arabic name). I still agree with Alistair MacLean: The good National Socialist, of whatever flavor, is the one who is no longer breathing. Helping them achieve that status is only a plus, in my opinion.

Apropos of nothing, I spent part of last night watching the speechifying sections of "Triumph of the Will." In the end, when Hitler is giving his closing speech, watch his face. He was a smug SOB at the height of his popularity (this was shortly after the Night of the Long Knives and Hindenburg's death), and the way he plays to the crowd is.... well, I've seen modern politicians (Ron Paul is certainly one of them) who would sacrifice their grandmothers to get the kind of adulation Hitler gets during that speech. Hitler, very plainly, loves the adulation. His "well, that worked" expression is very easy to see, and we see it several times during the speech.

During the speech, they cut to views of some of the Party bigwigs listening raptly to their Leader -- Hess looks like he's creaming his jodhpurs, Himmler and Goebbels are RCA dogs listening to their master's voice (Goebbels might be drooling a bit), and Goering looks like he's wondering what's for lunch. Goering is also a bit late, with an "oh, crap" look on his face, when they start the Horst Wessel....

A comparison between the theatrics in that film and some of the things that Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other paleoislamic groups have staged seems to indicate that they all share a choreographer. I'm sure others have noticed this and commented upon it, but I just thought I'd mention it. :)

184 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:43:10pm
185 Josephine  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:43:26pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

Elitists never want to point to the fact that there are a part of the same establishment they want to tear down. In reality- they want to keep the same system, just fill it with their own people. Problem "solved".

This is so true. Case in point: any communist country.

186 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:43:44pm

re: #161 WrathofG-d

Well, this is my personal reading of what the Torah is referring to when it says WITCHCRAFT

Intimidation
Manipulation
Domination

any of these three elements or all of them present together define biblical "witchcraft" IMO

I'd say the shoe fits. I'll call her a witch.

On the lesbian thing I don't care that she's gay unless she wants to Gramscify it ... use it politically.

Then I object.

187 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:43:47pm

When the Republican candidate wins I hope they make Tancredo the Director of the DHS.

188 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:44:05pm

re: #150 BabbaZee

re: #148 pat

She also gets better looking chicks than her old man

lol

True

Ron Paul's policy re Iran. For real.
[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

Complete surrender

189 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:44:32pm

re: #165 Render

{RENDER}

190 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:44:46pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Found him!

191 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:45:02pm

re: #2 song_and_dance_man

Whatever floats the blimp.


don't you mean his zeppelin ?

192 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:45:23pm

re: #165 Render

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

"The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va."

Anybody wanna take a guess at which restaurant in Arlington, Va is being talked about in the above link?

GAME
TIME,
R

Nice find Render

Charles should update the thread.

from the article

It is unclear if Paul, who will be speaking about American foreign policy, is aware of Epstein’s racist ties.

Where are the Paulistinians?

193 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:45:35pm

re: #188 pat

Complete surrender

We are doing that anyway, just
s l o w e r

194 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:45:48pm

re: #165 Render

Bingo!

195 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:46:10pm

re: #186 BabbaZee

BabbaZee,

You're only about 70 posts from 50,000

Charles: do you have the balloons and fireworks cued up?

Who bought the cake?

Where's the goddamned cake?

I hope somebody made ice!

We only have 6 cases of Dewars left!

196 Outrider  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:46:18pm
Charges for the Tara Thai restaurant show up on this page listing DISBURSEMENTS FOR RON PAUL 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE

.
I wonder what this entry was all about?
"Beauchamp, Matthew 47.76"

197 Barrypopik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:46:34pm

Tara Thai is a great Thai restaurant in Austin, TX, near the Whole Foods. Kinda crowded at lunch, though.

198 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:47:00pm

re: #161 WrathofG-d

re: #152 NY Nana

No proof she is actually a lesbian. (just mean statements)

nor is there proof she is actually a witch either for that matter.

Unfortunately, Hillary is clearly heavier than a duck.

199 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:47:17pm

re: #188 pat

I liked the "Waterboarding a Democrat" poll.

/vote RP

200 tarkus  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:47:42pm

re: #166 pre-Boomer Marine brat
you might be right about that....i'm going to have to rethink what the meaning of karn evil 9 is....

201 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:48:00pm

re: #195 Pro-Bush Canuck

Oh lawd, lol

202 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:48:11pm

re: #195 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #186 BabbaZee

BabbaZee,

You're only about 70 posts from 50,000

Charles: do you have the balloons and fireworks cued up?

Who bought the cake?

Where's the goddamned cake?

I hope somebody made ice!

We only have 6 cases of Dewars left!

67 short. Is there a line on when she hits 50K?

203 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:48:35pm

re: #202 Lucius Septimius

Make that 66 ...

204 Alouette  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:48:52pm

re: #129 WrathofG-d

wow this is some POTUS race. We have:

White Nationalists.
Black Racialists.
Cross-Dressers
Mormons
Preachers
Adulterers
...
...
...
...

What did I leave out?

Lesbians.

205 Steffan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:49:08pm

re: #17 blutonazi98

i hate seeing gelflings and lesbians ride UFOs into congress and use their alien powers to control the government


blutonazi, Admiral
Little Green Football Navy

/if LGF has a navy. if not i just created it and made myself an admiral.

So blow ye winds, yo ho,
A rovin' we will go....

:)

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot,
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We kindle and char, inflame and ignite,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We burn up the city, we're really a fright,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We're rascals, scoundrels, villans, and knaves,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We're beggars and blighters, ne'er-do-well cads,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.....

:p

206 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:49:09pm

re: #196 Outrider

[Link: www.google.com...]

207 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:49:17pm

In 1988 RP got 431,750 votes.
Michael Dukakis 41,809,476.
Geo. H. W. Bush 48,886,597.
The blimp captain is not going to fly this time either.

208 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:49:26pm

Babba,
Damn. Your a chatty one, aren't you?

209 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:49:41pm

[Link: roberttaft.org...]

"Marcus Epstein, Founder: Marcus is the executive director of Pat Buchanan's The American Cause and Team America PAC-- a political action committee founded by Congressman Tom Tancredo that supports lower immigration. He is a columnist for VDARE. He has also written for a number of conservative publications like Human Events, Lewrockewll.com, The American Conservative, and The Washington Examiner. A native of Northern Virginia, Marcus graduated from William and Mary in 2006 with a B.A. in history and currently resides in McLean VA."

Does this explain Tancredo's suddenly dropping out of the race?

VOLLEY
FIRE,
R

210 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:00pm

re: #205 Steffan

re: #17 blutonazi98

i hate seeing gelflings and lesbians ride UFOs into congress and use their alien powers to control the government


blutonazi, Admiral
Little Green Football Navy

/if LGF has a navy. if not i just created it and made myself an admiral.

So blow ye winds, yo ho,
A rovin' we will go....

:)

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot,
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We kindle and char, inflame and ignite,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We burn up the city, we're really a fright,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We're rascals, scoundrels, villans, and knaves,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We're beggars and blighters, ne'er-do-well cads,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.....

:p

Part of the crew; part of the ship ...

211 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:06pm

re: #199 unclassifiable

I voted Reid, heh,heh

212 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:11pm

re: #202 Lucius Septimius

re: #195 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #186 BabbaZee

BabbaZee,

You're only about 70 posts from 50,000

Charles: do you have the balloons and fireworks cued up?

Who bought the cake?

Where's the goddamned cake?

I hope somebody made ice!

We only have 6 cases of Dewars left!

67 short. Is there a line on when she hits 50K?

50k posters should have a special nic line color.

213 Alouette  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:17pm

re: #161 WrathofG-d

re: #152 NY Nana

No proof she is actually a lesbian. (just mean statements)

nor is there proof she is actually a witch either for that matter.

Well, chicks don't dig her, and if she is a witch, so is Ted Kennedy.

214 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:26pm

re: #160 Maximu§

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Too bad, Ive heard him talking on the Michael savage show and he was the only candidate that had a handle on illegal immigration.

Duncan Hunter is great on immigration, Max. He'd make a GREAT VP....

215 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:35pm

AFAIK nobody else is close to 50,000.

This is an LGF milestone.

216 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:36pm

re: #161 WrathofG-d

They were discussing it all over the place when it's political partner was occupying the White House. Donna Shalala and Janet Reno were often mentioned.

Didn't you see her(?) fly over southern CA on Halloween?

217 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:41pm

re: #209 Render

You are on fire tonight.

218 bryantms  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:50:46pm

Notice: I am not a Ron Paul supporter.

But here's the problem, how the heck are you supposed to determine who gave money to you, who you should accept it from and who you shouldn't. Most of Ron Paul's donations (a LARGE majority) are done over the internet. That means that he doesn't know anything about that person. The people at that VNN site don't even take the original poster seriously, yet LFG does?

Ron Paul also says that the money was donated to endorse his beliefs. He's not being persuaded by $314. This seems to me like blowing the whistle at nothing. Ron Paul has a consistent record, a bit on the crazy side, but he's been consistenly Libertarian. Why give his money back to promote his cause?

There's WAY too much PC in this world. You can't make everyone happy. This is nothing but a stupid argument.

219 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:06pm

re: #199 unclassifiable

re: #188 pat

I liked the "Waterboarding a Democrat" poll.

/vote RP

Can we snowboard them instead?

220 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:13pm

re: #208 pat

Babba,
Damn. Your a chatty one, aren't you?

Well when you have an outraged spleen to vent.......

221 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:33pm

re: #215 Pro-Bush Canuck

AFAIK nobody else is close to 50,000.

This is an LGF milestone.

BabbaZee is an inside job

222 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:37pm
223 Steffan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:46pm

re: #170 Lucius Septimius

re: #161 WrathofG-d

re: #152 NY Nana

No proof she is actually a lesbian. (just mean statements)

nor is there proof she is actually a witch either for that matter.

All we need to do is weigh her, then we'd know for sure.

True. Is she heavier than a duck?

224 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:51:59pm

re: #204 Alouette

re: #129 WrathofG-d

wow this is some POTUS race. We have:

White Nationalists.
Black Racialists.
Cross-Dressers
Mormons
Preachers
Adulterers
...
...
...
...

What did I leave out?

Lesbians.

All together now...LESBIANS!

225 KentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:04pm

re: #192 Canadian Guy


Where are the Paulistinians?

Out getting their formal dinner jodhpurs cleaned and pressed.

226 Get busy livin'  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:11pm

Holy crap! I live right next door to the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington. I can see the front door from my window. I'll have to stop by next Wednesday and do some surveillance work.

227 sheepdippeddog  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:21pm

re: #178 Sharmuta


Yeah the dumb ones are pretty open whats more telling is the smarter ones who use compound words, If you read the whole thread its ongoing now as we speak here its becoming obvious they understand this is not in Ron Paul's interest which seems judging from the mood of the thread, not in theirs either.

The leaders seem to be all Cloak & Dagger, kinda Sesame St. style.

228 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:33pm

re: #170 Lucius Septimius

You want to be the one who does it? I thought not! ;)

229 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:41pm

re: #200 tarkus

re: #166 pre-Boomer Marine brat
you might be right about that....i'm going to have to rethink what the meaning of karn evil 9 is....

(laughing) It's not recognizable as an OC. What I noticed was the circle and lines, one of which came out one side. It was just the way it caught my eye, and I could NOT resist.

230 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:44pm

re: #219 The Other Les

Let's give them a "hitler".

/vague South Park reference

231 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:51pm

Render is on fire tonight. His latest find is now an update.

232 maddogg  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:52:59pm

Damn, the Nazis hang out with Ron Paul? I knew they had low standards but I didn't realize how low.

/no accounting for taste

233 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:53:18pm

re: #218 bryantms


The people at that VNN site don't even take the original poster seriously, yet LFG does?


1)See updates.
2) Open mouth.
3) Insert foot.

234 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:53:41pm
235 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:53:55pm

re: #165 Render

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

"The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va."

Anybody wanna take a guess at which restaurant in Arlington, Va is being talked about in the above link?

GAME
TIME,
R

OH OH OH, I KNOW MR. KOT-TERRRR....WAFFLE HOUSE!

236 Luigi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:02pm

It's time for Ron to say good night..

[Link: www.revolutionhealth.com...]

237 Outrider  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:08pm

re: #206 BabbaZee

re: #196 Outrider

[Link: [Link: www.google.com...]...]


~slapping forhead~ Yeah, i realized it wasn't Matthew I was thinking of but Scott Thomas too late. jeez
Thanks

238 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:14pm

re: #215 Pro-Bush Canuck

I am not so sure
I think there were 50K's before me

239 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:17pm

re: #216 NY Nana

re: #161 WrathofG-d

They were discussing it all over the place when it's political partner was occupying the White House. Donna Shalala and Janet Reno were often mentioned.

Didn't you see her(?) fly over southern CA on Halloween?

They weren't mentioned in polite company. The idea of a dwarf - giant lesbian couple would just bring stares at the dinner table. Clinton picked up a lot of diversity there. "A Cabinet that will reflect the face of America."

240 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:37pm

Render is the Simon Weisenthal of LGF.

Bust those Brownshirts!

241 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:39pm

re: #218 bryantms

My Grandma always said, your judged by the company you keep....

242 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:43pm

re: #218 bryantms

Notice: I am not a Ron Paul supporter.

But here's the problem, how the heck are you supposed to determine who gave money to you, who you should accept it from and who you shouldn't. Most of Ron Paul's donations (a LARGE majority) are done over the internet. That means that he doesn't know anything about that person. The people at that VNN site don't even take the original poster seriously, yet LFG does?

Ron Paul also says that the money was donated to endorse his beliefs. He's not being persuaded by $314. This seems to me like blowing the whistle at nothing. Ron Paul has a consistent record, a bit on the crazy side, but he's been consistenly Libertarian. Why give his money back to promote his cause?

There's WAY too much PC in this world. You can't make everyone happy. This is nothing but a stupid argument.

It's one thing to get donations, but speaking at an event sponsored by them?

243 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:54:54pm

re: #237 Outrider

anytime lol

244 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:55:25pm

re: #226 Get busy livin'

Holy crap! I live right next door to the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington. I can see the front door from my window. I'll have to stop by next Wednesday and do some surveillance work.

I'll take an order of Spring Rolls and Beef with Basil and Jasmine rice, ;)

245 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:55:31pm
246 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:55:53pm

re: #218 bryantms


Except that Ron knows who gave it to him.

But I agree....he should have the right to take money from whomever he wants. But he cannot expect people not to judge him by it.

I don't want people to lie about whom them support, they should be honest about it....but I don't have to vote for someone I don't like just because they are being honest though do I?

247 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:02pm
The Robert A. Taft Club

RAT for short

248 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:04pm

re: #238 BabbaZee

Nope. Who could it be?

Charles isn't even 12K.

Everyone else had their counter start in June 2004.

I guess it is theoretically possible that some of the ancient Lizards posted a lot before reg started.

Maybe Charles knows?

249 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:06pm

re: #218 bryantms

That's not the point. The point is that the campaign has been informed where the money came from.

/and instead of giving it back or donating it to charity, they welcome it

250 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:18pm

re: #226 Get busy livin'

OOO!

251 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:28pm

re: #210 Lucius Septimius

I don't care for opera, but I prefer Pinafore

252 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:37pm

re: #224 The Other Les

Actually Les this lesbian would be OK by me.

253 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:39pm

re: #248 Pro-Bush Canuck

Charles knows it all

lol

254 bryantms  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:56:55pm

re: #242 jcm

That's true, if he's now speaking at these events - that's a whole different story. Let him burn.

255 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:03pm

re: #226 Get busy livin'

Please do. I think the schedule can be found here: Council of Conservative Citizens, Washington DC January Meetup

256 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:06pm

re: #247 Shug

The Robert A. Taft Club

RAT for short

LOL, good one....

257 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:15pm

re: #223 Steffan

I just saved the video. Thanks!

No one has ever seen Shrill anywhere near Salem, MA have they? I thought not.

258 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:22pm

re: #207 jaunte

In 1988 RP got 431,750 votes.
Michael Dukakis 41,809,476.
Geo. H. W. Bush 48,886,597.
The blimp captain is not going to fly this time either.

No! Armies of the young (and young at heart) will turn out to support his Love Revolution and take America back from the Enemy Domestic! The great moment of national awakening is coming! We will free ourselves from the shackles of entangling alliances! Free! Free from evil usury! From moral hypocrisy! The streets will run with Gold as we Tend Our Gardens on the Golden Island of America! Joy there will be on that day when the People United Triumph over the slave lords, the authors and prolongers of war (Kriegsstifter und Kriegsverlängerer), over all Wickedness!

/(is it really necessary)

Shit. I need to pour some single malt after that.

259 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:26pm

re: #225 KentGO

re: #192 Canadian Guy


Where are the Paulistinians?

Out getting their formal dinner jodhpurs cleaned and pressed.


Yes, it's Wednesday. Dineer at Tara Thai.

260 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:29pm

re: #234 BabbaZee

re: #208 pat

I gotta big mouth, Alice.

Oooo. I love that. Thanks.

261 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:38pm

re: #230 unclassifiable

re: #219 The Other Les

Let's give them a "hitler".

/vague South Park reference

Ohhhh. That's really vague.

262 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:57:55pm
263 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:58:11pm

re: #175 song_and_dance_man

re: #164 WrathofG-d

Keith Moon said Page's new group would go over like a lead Zeppelin. Page loved the phrase and took out the 'a', and then named the band Led Zeppelin.

song and dance man- I think Moon said "lead balloon", but Page changed it to Zeppelin because it sounded cooler.

264 Get busy livin'  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:58:36pm

re: #244 pat

The food's not very good there. I'm going to run over to Tara Thai right now and ask someone who works there whether they've ever seen RP there. I'll be right back.

265 bryantms  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:59:02pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

Exactly, I'm not saying Ron Paul isn't a supporter of them. I just feel that any candidate should not be held responsible for their donations. Let people judge them by it. That's all perfectly fine. Donations go towards the cause and should come from anyone. If it turns out the cause is for some form of white supremacy, then Ron Paul should be held accountable.

As a side note, he doesn't have a shot anyways.

266 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:59:16pm

re: #254 bryantms


Let him burn.


That's better.

267 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:59:26pm

re: #239 pat

They weren't mentioned in polite company. The idea of a dwarf - giant lesbian couple would just bring stares at the dinner table. Clinton picked up a lot of diversity there. "A Cabinet that will reflect the face of America."

Hmmm, sort of gives a whole new meaning to 'It takes a village'.

268 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:59:35pm

re: #245 song_and_dance_man

Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

I'm sure they're frantically emailing each other, trying to decide how to handle this little problem.

269 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:59:40pm
270 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 6:59:55pm

59 and counting.

Over under is before 9:30 PST?

271 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:00:15pm
272 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:00:18pm

re: #264 Get busy livin'

re: #244 pat

The food's not very good there. I'm going to run over to Tara Thai right now and ask someone who works there whether they've ever seen RP there. I'll be right back.

Pretty soon LGF is gonna have more "reporters" than CNN.

At least ours will report the truth. What a novel concept.

273 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:00:20pm

re: #258 Lucius Septimius

No! Armies of the young (and young at heart) will turn out to support his Love Revolution and take America back from the Enemy Domestic! The great moment of national awakening is coming! We will free ourselves from the shackles of entangling alliances! Free! Free from evil usury! From moral hypocrisy! The streets will run with Gold as we Tend Our Gardens on the Golden Island of America! Joy there will be on that day when the People United Triumph over the slave lords, the authors and prolongers of war (Kriegsstifter und Kriegsverlängerer), over all Wickedness!

Vintage! A feast for connoisseurs of politico-inanity, with just a soupçon of Vlanderiffic sprach!

274 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:01:10pm

re: #265 bryantms

Because it's common decency to tell these scumbags to piss off. Rudy told the Saudi Prince that the wouldn't accept his check after 9-11. It's the moral thing to do.

275 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:01:31pm

re: #268 Charles

re: #245 song_and_dance_man


Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

Im sure they're frantically emailing each other, trying to decide how to handle this little problem.

lgf is a tough nut to crack I guess, I wonder how would they spin this story?

276 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:01:42pm

re: #263 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #175 song_and_dance_man

re: #164 WrathofG-d

Keith Moon said Page's new group would go over like a lead Zeppelin. Page loved the phrase and took out the 'a', and then named the band Led Zeppelin.

song and dance man- I think Moon said "lead balloon", but Page changed it to Zeppelin because it sounded cooler.

Well...Zeppelins are cooler than an ordinary balloon.

277 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:01:53pm

re: #268 Charles

What are we gonna call this -gate?

Charles already busted out Rathergate.

Paulgate?

Nazigate?

NaziInCongressgate?

RonnyReichstagGate?

278 BabbaZee  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:02:18pm

Well it wont be tonight kiddies

Gotta go

MWAH

279 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:02:53pm

re: #262 song_and_dance_man

re: #242 jcm

Look over here.

/slight of hand

Evening,
Good news, took the latest arrival in for a check up. The femur is completely healed and no further follow ups needed.
Bad news other munchette is cutting molars.

280 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:02:57pm

re: #278 BabbaZee

I will be online first thing to catch the momentous event in the morning!

Get some rest, champ!

281 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:03:29pm

re: #276 The Other Les

re: #263 Bob in Breckenridge


re: #175 song_and_dance_man

re: #164 WrathofG-d

Keith Moon said Page's new group would go over like a lead Zeppelin. Page loved the phrase and took out the 'a', and then named the band Led Zeppelin.


song and dance man- I think Moon said "lead balloon", but Page changed it to Zeppelin because it sounded cooler.

Well...Zeppelins are cooler than an ordinary balloon.


usually

Lakehurst was an inside job

282 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:03:41pm

re: #245 song_and_dance_man

Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

They're awaiting their talking points from the blimp.

283 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:03:59pm

re: #271 song_and_dance_man

re: #263 Bob in Breckenridge

I think you are right. It's been 20 years or more since I read Hammer of the Gods.

Oh well. I thought I just read that because of the Led Zep reunion in London a couple weeks ago. If you saw two albums from two bands you had never heard of (assuming you're NOT Barry Manilow) would you buy Led Zeppelin's or Led Balloon's?

284 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:00pm

re: #277 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #268 Charles

What are we gonna call this -gate?

Charles already busted out Rathergate.

Paulgate?

Nazigate?

NaziInCongressgate?

RonnyReichstagGate?

Rhein Paul ?

285 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:02pm

re: #278 BabbaZee

Well it wont be tonight kiddies

Gotta go

MWAH

Babba's toying with us.

286 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:06pm
287 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:15pm

re: #267 NY Nana

re: #239 pat

They weren't mentioned in polite company. The idea of a dwarf - giant lesbian couple would just bring stares at the dinner table. Clinton picked up a lot of diversity there. "A Cabinet that will reflect the face of America."

Hmmm, sort of gives a whole new meaning to 'It takes a village'.

It takes a Viking to raze a village.

288 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:20pm

Every day the left is fighting to free miscreants like this from Club Gitmo.

Osama bin Laden is 'lovely'

In nine days, this PoS walks.

289 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:43pm

re: #282 Canadian Guy

re: #245 song_and_dance_man

Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

They're awaiting their talking points from the blimp deserting the Hindenberg.

290 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:48pm

re: #147 jimsaco

What a coalition of the disaffected surrounds the good Doctor.

At what point do you become known by the company you keep?

I am a libertarian but at what point do all the Klansmen, Nazis, Confederacy supporters and Truthers poison the well?

I am starting to fear libertarianism will be destroyed by this.

Assuming that libertarianism stands for a laissez faire night-watchman state, there is nothing about it that as a concept should attract troofers, racialists, neo-secessionists, et alia; but when its spokesman in the form of somebody like Ron Paul fails to exercise any intellectual precision, the gates are open for all kinds of--well, idiotarians.

Perhaps he is just careless; perhaps he is opportunistic, nefariously trying to harvest all the dollars that a certain collection of the disaffected are willing to manure and hoe. In either case he shows nothing of what it would take to become the responsible executive of today's United States beset by Islamofascists who have the backing of Saudi petro dollars. The fact is that he only highlights how woefully inadequate most of the aspirates for that office are. ...

...All except...RUDY!

291 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:04:53pm

Drunk bastard Congressman Jim Moran (D-Va) has accused American troops of "ethnic cleansing" in Baghdad.

Swine, pigs, all of them; from Teddy the Hutt von Kennedy down to the lowliest vote thief in your yokel precinct.

292 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:05:31pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

re: #282 Canadian Guy

That's "Motherblimp."

More like limpblimp.

293 Sifty  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:05:32pm

Creepy Uncle Leprechaun just keeps rolling along.

294 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:05:45pm

re: #281 Shug

re: #276 The Other Les

re: #263 Bob in Breckenridge


re: #175 song_and_dance_man


re: #164 WrathofG-dKeith Moon said Page's new group would go over like a lead Zeppelin. Page loved the phrase and took out the 'a', and then named the band Led Zeppelin.


song and dance man- I think Moon said "lead balloon", but Page changed it to Zeppelin because it sounded cooler.


Well...Zeppelins are cooler than an ordinary balloon.


usually

Lakehurst was an inside job

That's a photo I haven't seen before.

295 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:05:59pm

re: #275 Maximu§


Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

I miss the minions. Maybe we can lure them out with a little gold bullion...

296 FriarsTale  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:06:39pm

Ron Paul signed my copy of The Turner Diaries
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
/bad joke

297 bryantms  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:06:47pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

re: #265 bryantms

Because it's common decency to tell these scumbags to piss off. Rudy told the Saudi Prince that the wouldn't accept his check after 9-11. It's the moral thing to do.

I must admit, I was glad to hear that Rudy told them to piss off. That kind of set the tone for how the whole situation would be handled.

I guess the right thing to do would be to donate the money, but I don't think that criticizing someone for donations from a specific organization should warrant anything. Now if you can tie the candidate to that organization whether through speaking engagements or meeting in restaurants, then hell yeah - I say let him burn.

298 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:07:00pm
299 Steffan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:07:06pm

re: #251 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #210 Lucius Septimius

I don't care for opera, but I prefer Pinafore

I kinda like Mikado. The "I've got a little list" song sorta resonates with the current crowd in Dizzy City, don'cha know? :)

They surely won't be missed!

300 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:07:32pm

re: #272 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #264 Get busy livin'

re: #244 pat

The food's not very good there. I'm going to run over to Tara Thai right now and ask someone who works there whether they've ever seen RP there. I'll be right back.

Pretty soon LGF is gonna have more "reporters" than CNN.

At least ours will report the truth. What a novel concept.

Interesting thought. I think we already do. As well as some deep research.

301 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:07:48pm

RU PAUL GATE?

302 opinionated  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:08:26pm

....organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran....

"Don't Be Stupid, Be A Smarty, Come And Join The Nazi Party."

303 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:08:28pm

re: #299 Steffan

re: #251 pre-Boomer Marine brat


re: #210 Lucius Septimius

I don't care for opera, but I prefer Pinafore


I kinda like Mikado. The "I've got a little list" song sorta resonates with the current crowd in Dizzy City, don'cha know? :)

They surely won't be missed!

must not cut off another's head before he's cut his own off.....

we ought to export that song to the headchoppers of the ROP

304 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:08:34pm

re: #281 Shug

re: #276 The Other Les

re: #263 Bob in Breckenridge


re: #175 song_and_dance_man


re: #164 WrathofG-dKeith Moon said Page's new group would go over like a lead Zeppelin. Page loved the phrase and took out the 'a', and then named the band Led Zeppelin.


song and dance man- I think Moon said "lead balloon", but Page changed it to Zeppelin because it sounded cooler.


Well...Zeppelins are cooler than an ordinary balloon.


usually

Lakehurst was an inside job

Shug is all 'inside-jobby' tonight. You get a campaign letter from Shrill "Plant 'em Deep' Clinton or something?

305 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:08:46pm

re: #264 Get busy livin'

re: #244 pat

The food's not very good there. I'm going to run over to Tara Thai right now and ask someone who works there whether they've ever seen RP there. I'll be right back.

If you see a blimp out front then he's probably there.

306 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:08:55pm

re: #245 song_and_dance_man

Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

The troofers cannot deal with the truth. They have been severely traumatized...call the waaaambulance!

308 Sifty  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:09:10pm

LaRouche PAC table set up outside my favorite grocery store this afternoon. "Manned" by two very large and scary "alternative lifestyle" womyn. I breezed over undercover and perused.

After my laughing and giggling a while at the pamphlets I was questioned harshly.

They suggested I vote for Ron Paul to solve things. It didn't make sense when they said it either.

It's gonna be a bumpy year.

309 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:09:24pm

re: #290 ContraJihadi

DOES THE PAULETTE HAVE EARLY ONSET ALZENHIMERS?

310 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:09:28pm

re: #277 Pro-Bush Canuck

RonPaulGate?

311 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:09:35pm

re: #291 Shiplord Kirel

Drunk bastard Congressman Jim Moran (D-Va) has accused American troops of "ethnic cleansing" in Baghdad.

Swine, pigs, all of them; from Teddy the Hutt von Kennedy down to the lowliest vote thief in your yokel precinct.

Not surprising coming from Moran, a truly loathsome man.

312 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:10:01pm
313 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:10:25pm

Let's not forget the Taft Club also hosted Vlaams Belang leader Filip Dewinter....
The Robert a Taft Club Presents: The Vlaams Belang's Filip Dewinter and Frank Vanhecke

Filip Dewinter, Member of Belgian Parliament and Frank Vanhecke, Member of Euorpean parliament will discuss the threat that multiculturalism, radical Islam, and mass immigration bring to the fundamental European and American values of free speech, tolerance, and representative government in Europe.

314 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:10:28pm

re: #285 jcm

re: #278 BabbaZee

Well it wont be tonight kiddies

Gotta go

MWAH

Babba's toying with us.

The sharmuta! Oh wait, that's someone else...

315 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:10:41pm

re: #287 The Other Les

re: #267 NY Nana

re: #239 pat

They weren't mentioned in polite company. The idea of a dwarf - giant lesbian couple would just bring stares at the dinner table. Clinton picked up a lot of diversity there. "A Cabinet that will reflect the face of America."

Hmmm, sort of gives a whole new meaning to 'It takes a village'.

It takes a Viking to raze a village.

You had to say it. Now we combine 2 of our topics. Babba? You Tu(be)

316 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:10:58pm

Anyone here know if the LGF PO Box has changed in the past year?

...Just sending out some last minute Christmas cards.

317 Arkay  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:11:03pm

How rlovelting.

And if it turns out to be true, Paul is history.
As in 1945.....

318 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:11:12pm

re: #282 Canadian Guy

re: #245 song_and_dance_man

Notice how the troofer minions that post here have gone suddenly silent.

They're awaiting their talking points from the blimp.

Is there a mothership hidden inside the blimp? :D

319 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:11:22pm
320 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:11:38pm

Back to the subject at hand, this nazi beast is facing a huge libel award if this claim proves to be unfounded.
The bar is very high for public figures in defamation suits, and rightly so, but a specific claim of association with named nazis at a named time and place would probably qualify.

321 Timbre  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:11:40pm

Considering his love for "real money," I wouldn't be surprised if he owns NORFED silver certificates.

322 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:12:08pm

re: #290 ContraJihadi

Heh. Rudy indeed!

323 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:12:16pm

re: #315 pat


i like this version much better!

/had to be done

324 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:12:24pm

re: #314 wvobiwan

Yep.

325 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:12:38pm

re: #307 Thanos

Captain's Quarters also carrying the donation question

He's got the money quote:

Sorry, but that doesn't sell. It's one thing to get a donation from a neo-Nazi; after all, Paul didn't solicit it. It's another thing entirely to keep the money after its source becomes clear. Keeping the money makes it look like the campaign approves of the source, and that is a very, very bad message to send when one is bragging about the success of recent money-bomb events.

Toss in update #2 speaking at an event.

New item on the breakfast menu. Paul's Toast.

326 Steffan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:12:51pm

re: #257 NY Nana

re: #223 Steffan

I just saved the video. Thanks!

No one has ever seen Shrill anywhere near Salem, MA have they? I thought not.

Nyet problema. :)

I really doubt that she'd go anywhere near the place. Especially this Saturday, which happens to be the solstice (according to the Old Farmer's Almanac, it's at 1:08 AM EST). But we can dream, right?

327 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:13:24pm

re: #309 yochanan

Sorry, I am not licensed to practice medicine. The regrettable fact that Ron Paul is does not elevate my expertise in these matters.

328 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:13:34pm

I am a bit surprised to see Charles posting this. When did people who deny that the Holocaust took place (that is, when they're not planning the next one) become reliable sources for stories which are, on the face of them, not very plausible?

329 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:13:54pm

WTC 7 WTC 7 WTC 7


Sorry. I got caught up in the moment.

330 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:13:54pm

re: #323 blue_like_jazz

re: #315 pat


i like this version much better!

/had to be done

heh, heh. Couldn't find it fast enough. But it is the version on my nano

331 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:14:05pm

re: #287 The Other Les

It takes a Viking to raze a village.

LOL! Hey, why am I laughing? We actually live in a village. No Vikings around here, just a lot of illegals.

How they ever chose here? Not a clue.

Right on LI Sound, near the CT border.

332 Kaintuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:14:11pm

Ron Paul also seems to have some sort of obsession about restoring the gold standard. The weekly Coin World gave him a couple of half-page articles two months or so ago, then broke a story about some "official mint" that was minting and selling "Ron Paul for President" coins. Try a search for them with Secret Service or FBI in the search terms. The figure of $2 million in campaign funds was mentioned but RP knew nothing about it, or so they say.

333 lummox  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:14:12pm

The Other Les

"I should be starting on my new career in the second week on January. Assuming that I pass my second attempt to do the Class A CDL exam."

Good luck. And even better luck with %^$#@*& dispatchers. (You'll need it)

334 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:14:26pm
335 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:14:31pm

re: #308 Sifty

LaRouche PAC table set up outside my favorite grocery store this afternoon. "Manned" by two very large and scary "alternative lifestyle" womyn. I breezed over undercover and perused.

After my laughing and giggling a while at the pamphlets I was questioned harshly.

They suggested I vote for Ron Paul to solve things. It didn't make sense when they said it either.

It's gonna be a bumpy year.

Dammit! Back when I was a libertarian I had to repeatedly explain to some people that we nothing to do with the LaRouchees. Being a mostly liberal neighborhood they usually wouldn't listen.

336 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:15:05pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

re: #265 bryantms

Because it's common decency to tell these scumbags to piss off. Rudy told the Saudi Prince that the wouldn't accept his check after 9-11. It's the moral thing to do.

speaking of cynthia mckinney, how abt how she squalled for that waded up check.
hey mr. shiek man, prince so and so, send it down here.

337 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:15:06pm
338 sheepdippeddog  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:15:06pm

Hey did you guys notice that on VNN Forum under " Politics and Philosophy" there is a whole section titled "Ron Paul"? with 4 pages of threads?

WTF? With that kinda support no wonder RP is speaking in code & no wonder all the negativity to the guy who "leaked" it.

339 Shug  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:15:20pm

re: #332 Kaintuck

Ron Paul also seems to have some sort of obsession about restoring the gold standard. The weekly Coin World gave him a couple of half-page articles two months or so ago, then broke a story about some "official mint" that was minting and selling "Ron Paul for President" coins. Try a search for them with Secret Service or FBI in the search terms. The figure of $2 million in campaign funds was mentioned but RP knew nothing about it, or so they say.

does he have an assistant named Odd Job ?

340 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:15:41pm

re: #328 Quodlibetarian

Registered since June, 2004 but only 26 posts?

And now you have something to say?

Man, how many of these friggin' Paulites are there? How deep does it go?

341 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:16:02pm
342 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:16:03pm

re: #328 Quodlibetarian

I am a bit surprised to see Charles posting this. When did people who deny that the Holocaust took place (that is, when they're not planning the next one) become reliable sources for stories which are, on the face of them, not very plausible?

Did you see the updates?

343 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:16:09pm

A little interlude music as we await the Paulistinians return to LGF.

America is in real big trouble
needs a leader on the double

344 sheepdippeddog  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:16:13pm

re: #282 Canadian Guy


They're awaiting their talking points from the blimp.

LOL Classic!

345 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:16:21pm

re: #328 Quodlibetarian

I am a bit surprised to see Charles posting this. When did people who deny that the Holocaust took place (that is, when they're not planning the next one) become reliable sources for stories which are, on the face of them, not very plausible?

Did you understand the first two sentences after the headline?

346 pat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:16:57pm

You know the funny thing? If Kucinich showed up at Tara Thai, no-one there would bat an eye. Extremist are all the same underneath.

347 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:17:36pm

re: #307 Thanos

Captain's Quarters also carrying the donation question

Charles, Render and Kilgore are one step ahead of Ed tonight.

348 stevieray  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:18:37pm

Interesting times in the republic... crazy times. The American people seem to sense something isn't right with the country, but many cannot seem to figure out just what's gone wrong... or what to do about it. Too many lies in the schools and the papers for too long. Conspiracy theories running rampant; oddball candidates getting serious consideration, sitting congressmen routinely slandering our troops... the people seem to be grasping at anything to regain their bearings.

349 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:19:14pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Let's not forget the Taft Club also hosted Vlaams Belang leader Filip Dewinter....
The Robert a Taft Club Presents: The Vlaams Belang's Filip Dewinter and Frank Vanhecke

Filip Dewinter, Member of Belgian Parliament and Frank Vanhecke, Member of Euorpean parliament will discuss the threat that multiculturalism, radical Islam, and mass immigration bring to the fundamental European and American values of free speech, tolerance, and representative government in Europe.

Well this just confirms what I wrote upthread. If they hang out with the VB crowd they must be very cultured and sophisticated. And their motives are truly for the good of the nation. We were wrong to question them. Shame on us.

350 Vanderleun  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:19:22pm

I'm waiting for Gates of Vienna to deny the ever present rumors that Paul is taking some of his donations and funneling them to Vlaams Belang.

351 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:19:30pm

re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...
are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

I have been saying that he has a lot of very far to the left support for a while.

352 wvobiwan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:19:37pm

re: #328 Quodlibetarian

I am a bit surprised to see Charles posting this. When did people who deny that the Holocaust took place (that is, when they're not planning the next one) become reliable sources for stories which are, on the face of them, not very plausible?

Even if it's not true, it's gonna be a huge hit.

353 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:20:01pm

Ron Paul Blimp News:

354 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:20:18pm

re: #349 Lucius Septimius

I am WRACKED with REMORSE!

355 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:21:34pm

Question: Will the MSM, or anyone outside LGF, have the brains/courage/initiative to look into this? Shall I hold my breath?

356 Get busy livin'  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:21:44pm

I'm back. I spoke to the bartender at Tara Thai (probably the only person in the restaurant who spoke English). He said that he had heard of Ron Paul, but wasn't exactly sure what he looked like. He also said that he has seen two groups of "presidential campaign people" eating there within the past few weeks. He thought one group was associated with the Clinton campaign, but he wasn't sure about the other one. I asked a hostess and waitress standing nearby whether they had ever seen Ron Paul at the restaurant, but neither of them seemed to know who he was (not very surprising).

357 The Other Les  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:22:05pm

re: #333 lummox

The Other Les

"I should be starting on my new career in the second week on January. Assuming that I pass my second attempt to do the Class A CDL exam."

Good luck. And even better luck with %^$#@*& dispatchers. (You'll need it)

Thanks.

I keep hearing stories...

358 Sifty  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:22:07pm

re: #335 The Other Les

I hated to be impolite, but I managed to do it anyway.

These two Ronulan LaRouchees actually sorta resembled the Motherblimp, so maybe we are seeing the aliens assuming new forms in an effort to tie it all together.

359 DoubleU  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:22:22pm

re: #34 MandyManners

Do you even know the difference between the various socialists? Fascism is socialism as is Communism.

They all hate individual liberty.


There is no difference between a socialist and a communist.

There is a difference between socialism and communism:
Communism is government enslavement by force.
Socialism is government enslavement by vote.

360 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:22:50pm

re: #353 jaunte

Ron Paul Blimp News:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Was that one of the aliens from RP's UFO?

361 Kaintuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:22:52pm

Re the coins, here's an example from eBay:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

Sorry, I still haven't taken the time to figure out how to make embedded URLs more attractive.

362 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:23:17pm
363 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:24:06pm

If BabbaZee has really called it a night, this really screws up the line. Vegas is on the brink of a major meltdown.

364 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:25:00pm

Charles...

A quick suggestion. Change the headline of this post to read a neo-nazi says.

SINGULAR,
R

365 Steffan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:25:14pm

re: #335 The Other Les

re: #308 Sifty

LaRouche PAC table set up outside my favorite grocery store this afternoon. "Manned" by two very large and scary "alternative lifestyle" womyn. I breezed over undercover and perused.

After my laughing and giggling a while at the pamphlets I was questioned harshly.

They suggested I vote for Ron Paul to solve things. It didn't make sense when they said it either.

It's gonna be a bumpy year.

Dammit! Back when I was a libertarian I had to repeatedly explain to some people that we nothing to do with the LaRouchees. Being a mostly liberal neighborhood they usually wouldn't listen.

I remember when a couple of LaRouchites managed to sneak onto the ballot in Illinois as Republicans. Ted Koppel had one of them on Nightline -- Janice something. Attractive young woman, at least until she opened her mouth. Raving lunatic otherwise. I remember wondering what color the sky on her planet was.

366 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:25:29pm

re: #361 Kaintuck

Re the coins, here's an example from eBay:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

Sorry, I still haven't taken the time to figure out how to make embedded URLs more attractive.

Hi light a section of test, click the little button just above the text box (upper right) that looks like two chain links. Links get it? Paste you URL into that box and the Overlords magic box converts it into an embedded link.

367 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:26:09pm

re: #366 jcm

re: #361 Kaintuck

Re the coins, here's an example from eBay:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

Sorry, I still haven't taken the time to figure out how to make embedded URLs more attractive.

Hi light a section of test, click the little button just above the text box (upper right) that looks like two chain links. Links get it? Paste you URL into that box and the Overlords magic box converts it into an embedded link.

PMIF text not test.

368 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:26:26pm

re: #334 song_and_dance_man

re: #283 Bob in Breckenridge

True. They used an image that was readily recognizable. Had they used a balloon I might have thought they were a pop group.

The first Black Sabbath album intrigued me just by the cover art because of Boris Karloff's movie and the contemporary TV trilogy starring Karen Black. I gave it a listen and became a Sabbath fan.

Geez, you had to bring up Karen Black...When i was a kid I had "visions" of her in the cockpit of that Columbia Airlines 747...'Til Moses rescued her...

369 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:26:33pm
370 unclassifiable  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:27:02pm
371 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:27:05pm

"Find Ron Paul Supporters and Ron Paul 2008 Meetups near you..."
[Link: ronpaul.meetup.com...]

Featuring, in the far right column:

Popular Meetups with Ron Paul Supporters

* Capitalist Party
* Badnarik for Congress
* Free State Project
* Bill of Rights Defense Committee
* 9/11 Questions
* Anti-Globalization
* Stop the Patriot Act
* Libertarian Party
* Fight Big Media
* Conspiracy


Troof!

372 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:27:11pm

re: #356 Get busy livin'

I'm back. I spoke to the bartender at Tara Thai (probably the only person in the restaurant who spoke English). He said that he had heard of Ron Paul, but wasn't exactly sure what he looked like. He also said that he has seen two groups of "presidential campaign people" eating there within the past few weeks. He thought one group was associated with the Clinton campaign, but he wasn't sure about the other one. I asked a hostess and waitress standing nearby whether they had ever seen Ron Paul at the restaurant, but neither of them seemed to know who he was (not very surprising).

Who's Ron Paul?

373 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:28:18pm

re: #364 Render

Charles...

A quick suggestion. Change the headline of this post to read a neo-nazi says.

SINGULAR,
R

Yeah. When I first read it, I thought they were saying Ron Paul was one of US -- you know, a Lizard!

/ going to wash mouth out with soap now

374 Kaintuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:28:22pm

re: #366 jcm

Thanks! I'll try that when I get the time. I just don't know how to type over with a catchier name for the link instead of posting it direct. Will experiment on a dead thread.

375 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:28:33pm

re: #340 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #328 Quodlibetarian

Registered since June, 2004 but only 26 posts?

And now you have something to say?

Man, how many of these friggin' Paulites are there? How deep does it go?

PBC- They don't say much, but what they say is deep...dig?

376 yochanan  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:29:00pm

re: #365 Steffan

The two laruchies in ill. have very whitebread names spent nothing running and got on the nov. ballet
that year the reg. gop worked to get the two democrats elected.

377 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:29:02pm

re: #365 Steffan

I remember that! She was saying she was going to drive tanks down State Street to take out the drug dealers. The story was that people saw her name and that of another LaRouchie on the ballot and voted for them because their names looked more "American" or something like that -- the "real" machine candidates had strongly ethnic names.

That alone tells you something about the average Democrat voter.

378 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:29:12pm

re: #365 Steffan

re: #335 The Other Les


re: #308 Sifty

LaRouche PAC table set up outside my favorite grocery store this afternoon. "Manned" by two very large and scary "alternative lifestyle" womyn. I breezed over undercover and perused.

After my laughing and giggling a while at the pamphlets I was questioned harshly.

They suggested I vote for Ron Paul to solve things. It didn't make sense when they said it either.

It's gonna be a bumpy year.


Dammit! Back when I was a libertarian I had to repeatedly explain to some people that we nothing to do with the LaRouchees. Being a mostly liberal neighborhood they usually wouldn't listen.

I remember when a couple of LaRouchites managed to sneak onto the ballot in Illinois as Republicans. Ted Koppel had one of them on Nightline -- Janice something. Attractive young woman, at least until she opened her mouth. Raving lunatic otherwise. I remember wondering what color the sky on her planet was.

I hate Illinois Larouchees

379 Get busy livin'  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:29:24pm

re: #369 song_and_dance_man

re: #356 Get busy livin'


I'm back. I spoke to the bartender at Tara Thai (probably the only person in the restaurant who spoke English). He said that he had heard of Ron Paul, but wasn't exactly sure what he looked like. He also said that he has seen two groups of "presidential campaign people" eating there within the past few weeks. He thought one group was associated with the Clinton campaign, but he wasn't sure about the other one. I asked a hostess and waitress standing nearby whether they had ever seen Ron Paul at the restaurant, but neither of them seemed to know who he was (not very surprising).

Real time investigation?

Yep.

380 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:30:05pm

re: #326 Steffan

I really doubt that she'd go anywhere near the place. Especially this Saturday, which happens to be the solstice (according to the Old Farmer's Almanac, it's at 1:08 AM EST). But we can dream, right?

Good point. I grew up in MA, and was in Salem a lot as a kid, as my paternal side was from the North Shore...she(?) would be put on trial.

Sadly the Billaries seem to have evaded prosecution so far...stemming back to their Arkansas days to the present.

There is always hope, and it ain't just in Arkansas.

381 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:30:20pm

Wait, a post on LGF critical of Ron Paul? I was led to believe that the only R. candidate Charles criticized (or bashed, if you believed the hype) around here was Huckabee. I was lied to!

/

382 lummox  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:30:20pm

re: #357 The Other Les

re: #333 lummox


The Other Les

"I should be starting on my new career in the second week on January. Assuming that I pass my second attempt to do the Class A CDL exam."

Good luck. And even better luck with %^$#@*& dispatchers. (You'll need it)


Thanks.

I keep hearing stories...

I've highlighted my email. If you want in depth coverage , I'll keep you 'entertained' for hours. days, weeks

383 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:30:51pm

re: #371 jaunte

"Find Ron Paul Supporters and Ron Paul 2008 Meetups near you..."
[Link: ronpaul.meetup.com...]

Featuring, in the far right column:

Popular Meetups with Ron Paul Supporters

* Capitalist Party
* Badnarik for Congress
* Free State Project
* Bill of Rights Defense Committee
* 9/11 Questions
* Anti-Globalization
* Stop the Patriot Act
* Libertarian Party
* Fight Big Media
* Conspiracy


Troof!

Oh! But he repudiated them! I saw it on YouTube! You must be part of "Conspiracy."

384 Tigger2005  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:32:07pm

re: #177 MandyManners

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Dagnabit. For years as a voter for him, I've liked his stand against illegal immigration.

Hey, he can still do good in Congress.

385 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:32:14pm
386 Phil.  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:32:32pm

This might have been discussed in the thread before but as it's gotten rather long I haven't read every post:

Does anyone else just find the thought of white supremacists regularly meeting at a Thai restaurant rather hysterical and ironic?

387 J.S.  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:32:41pm

Somehow, I'm not surprised...certainly not surprised that Ron Paul would attract the White Supremacists and neo-nazi types. (Last night Glenn Beck also mentioned the death threats made against him by followers of Ron Paul...violent thugs...wonder if Beck still endorses Ron Paul? there are other CNN types who've given apparently unsolicited endorsements, btw.)

388 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:32:45pm

re: #370 unclassifiable

I believe this says it all.

That is comedy.

389 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:33:00pm

re: #374 Kaintuck

re: #366 jcm

Thanks! I'll try that when I get the time. I just don't know how to type over with a catchier name for the link instead of posting it direct. Will experiment on a dead thread.

I just turn a relevant phrase or sentence into a link.

The real purpose of RP's Blimp.

390 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:33:06pm
391 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:33:07pm

re: #370 unclassifiable

I believe this says it all.

Complete with the theme from "The Greatest American Hero". Excellent!

392 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:33:37pm

re: #383 Lucius Septimius

Poor Uncle Ron can't be everywhere at once!
Just leave him alone!

Here's an articulate young spokesperson for Uncle ron.
"He's willing to give us what we strongly wish for.. We're oppressed by every little increas of money.. and everything.."

393 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:34:33pm

Remember that Ron Paul voted against this:

H.RES.921
Title: Condemning the recent attacks against the State of Israel, holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting Israel's right to defend itself, and for other purposes.
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

"It is very easy to criticize the Government of Lebanon for not doing more about Hezbollah. I object to terrorism committed by Hezbollah because I am a strong opponent to all violence on all sides. But I also object to the unreasonable accusations that the Government of Lebanon has not done enough, when we realize that Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years and was not able to neutralize Hezbollah."


[Link: www.lewrockwell.com...]

"Just as our money never makes Israel secure, it doesn’t buy us any true friends elsewhere in the region."


[Link: www.lewrockwell.com...]

Paul may not be a neo-Nazi, but the smell is around him and his indifference toward Israel does raise some questions that he needs to address.

394 Tigger2005  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:35:49pm

re: #348 stevieray

Interesting times in the republic... crazy times. The American people seem to sense something isn't right with the country, but many cannot seem to figure out just what's gone wrong... or what to do about it. Too many lies in the schools and the papers for too long. Conspiracy theories running rampant; oddball candidates getting serious consideration, sitting congressmen routinely slandering our troops... the people seem to be grasping at anything to regain their bearings.

"May you live in interesting times."
/Chinese curse

395 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:36:02pm

re: #355 Defogger

Question: Will the MSM, or anyone outside LGF, have the brains/courage/initiative to look into this? Shall I hold my breath?

Yep, and have everyonere: #384 Tigger2005

re: #177 MandyManners

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Dagnabit. For years as a voter for him, I've liked his stand against illegal immigration.

Hey, he can still do good in Congress.

Defogger- Tancredo said a few months back he's not running for re-election to congress. I wish he'd run for Allard's Senate seat....

396 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:37:16pm

re: #392 jaunte

re: #383 Lucius Septimius

Poor Uncle Ron can't be everywhere at once!
Just leave him alone!

Here's an articulate young spokesperson for Uncle ron.
"He's willing to give us what we strongly wish for.. We're oppressed by every little increas of money.. and everything.."
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Her eyes don't match the presentation.

397 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:37:32pm

re: #332 Kaintuck

Ron Paul also seems to have some sort of obsession about restoring the gold standard. The weekly Coin World gave him a couple of half-page articles two months or so ago, then broke a story about some "official mint" that was minting and selling "Ron Paul for President" coins. Try a search for them with Secret Service or FBI in the search terms. The figure of $2 million in campaign funds was mentioned but RP knew nothing about it, or so they say.

Actually, this is one of the good doctor's not-idiotarian ideas, merely a tragic. The notion that the government should hold to an objective standard of worth in its constitutionally granted power of setting the standards for weights and measures is sound conservatism. Going off the gold standard has allowed the Treasury's printing presses to roll without the influence of a very important check against tampering.

But the whole populace has become used to this kind of intrusion and distortion. Suddenly returning to a gold standard would itself become disruptive at this point in time--a sad but true burden Americans would have to carry and for which we should ultimately have to pay an unpleasant price.

Sadly, Paul's Utopian economics, while not without merit, just cannot provide a safe transition, especially since they are coupled to some really destructive foreign-policy notions.

398 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:37:43pm

re: #393 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Remember that Ron Paul voted against this:

H.RES.921
Title: Condemning the recent attacks against the State of Israel, holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting Israel's right to defend itself, and for other purposes.
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

That resolution wasn't constitutional!

/Paulistinian

399 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:38:01pm

re: #370 unclassifiable

I believe this says it all.

Perfect.

400 Tigger2005  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:38:42pm

re: #395 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #355 Defogger

Question: Will the MSM, or anyone outside LGF, have the brains/courage/initiative to look into this? Shall I hold my breath?

Yep, and have everyonere: #384 Tigger2005

re: #177 MandyManners

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Dagnabit. For years as a voter for him, I've liked his stand against illegal immigration.

Hey, he can still do good in Congress.

Defogger- Tancredo said a few months back he's not running for re-election to congress. I wish he'd run for Allard's Senate seat....

That's actually a reply to me, not Defogger.

Well, maybe Tancredo can patrol the border, then ...

401 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:39:15pm

Pro-Bush Canuck (340):

I am not a "Paulite", but I do not believe in throwing unjust labels at people, however lunatic their foreign policy ideas. If you have an impaired sense of justice, my commiserations.

Interesting to hear from our real-time restaurant investigator that the Clinton campaign has been to the restaurant too. Does it show up on their expenses? Perhaps Hillary's a closet neo-Nazi too. Still, better not leap to any conclusions about her until we've got some reliable information from a Holocaust denier on a "white pride" forum.

402 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:41:12pm

re: #400 Tigger2005

re: #395 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #355 Defogger

Question: Will the MSM, or anyone outside LGF, have the brains/courage/initiative to look into this? Shall I hold my breath?

Yep, and have everyonere: #384 Tigger2005

re: #177 MandyManners

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Tancredo pulling out of race.

Dagnabit. For years as a voter for him, I've liked his stand against illegal immigration.

Hey, he can still do good in Congress.

Defogger- Tancredo said a few months back he's not running for re-election to congress. I wish he'd run for Allard's Senate seat....

That's actually a reply to me, not Defogger.

Well, maybe Tancredo can patrol the border, then ...

right, sorry....

403 canadianally  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:41:56pm

Either way, these power lunches (no pun intended) should be quite easy to verify.

404 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:42:08pm

re: #385 song_and_dance_man

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

alladam I love your avatar

alladam? Your avatar is pretty groovy as well. My current favorite is Alouette's (SP?) pic of allah's* vag with Porky Pig emerging. If there was a contest on what would cause the most seething, I think that one could win.

*I think I just got what the alladam means

405 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:42:39pm

re: #396 jcm

re: #392 jaunte

re: #383 Lucius Septimius

Poor Uncle Ron can't be everywhere at once!
Just leave him alone!

Here's an articulate young spokesperson for Uncle ron.
"He's willing to give us what we strongly wish for.. We're oppressed by every little increas of money.. and everything.."
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Her eyes don't match the presentation.

And she doesn't look old enough to vote.

Gotta watch out for that "country" called Asia.

406 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:42:59pm

re: #328 Quodlibetarian

I am a bit surprised to see Charles posting this. When did people who deny that the Holocaust took place (that is, when they're not planning the next one) become reliable sources for stories which are, on the face of them, not very plausible?

It's a totally plausible story. I guess it's no coincidence that Ron Paul attracts troofers and socialists, even though he's supposed to be a conservative or "libertarian". He's not. He's a national socialist of the American populist variety.

407 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:44:11pm

How's this for blowback?

-- Hamid Gul, ex-chief of ISI Pakistan and supporter of the MMA and suspected supporter of the Taliban started the 9/11 conspiracy. ( do search Hamid Gul, you will find the link to an interview shortly after 9/11) The Taliban, and Hamid Gul, are Tribal Nationalists (this was pre-AQ) and want to create "Pahktunkwa" or Pashtunland out of part of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.
-- Tribal nationalists and Troofers in the US pick up the conspiracy theory because it fits their goals.
-- Ron Paul makes his blowback speeches, and appears with troofers, and other questionable groups.
-- Suspicious of his associations, bloggers in the US start sniffing.
-- and now this

Blowback Ron, Blowback.

408 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:45:56pm

re: #389 jcm

The real purpose of RP's Blimp.

Nah, the Paulistinians bought it to house a gigantic airborne radar they were told could provide early warning of our black helicopters. Fortunately, they got it from a secret sub-division of our Division 666 (Conspiracies, Cover-ups, and Dirty Tricks) and the "radar" is just a pile of Tandy 1000 parts we got from the Salvation Army and welded together in the break room at LGF world headquarters.
The blimp is real enough, but the Paulistic pilot only thinks he's flying it himself.

409 mythicknight  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:48:01pm

Hope someone saves the pages for when the thread there gets "lost".

410 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:48:16pm

re: #397 ContraJihadi

re: #332 Kaintuck
Ron Paul also seems to have some sort of obsession about restoring the gold standard. ...

Actually, this is one of the good doctor's not-idiotarian ideas, merely a tragic. The notion that the government should hold to an objective standard of worth in its constitutionally granted power of setting the standards for weights and measures is sound conservatism. ...

Actually the gold standard theme is an old timey staple of the paranoid populist undercurrent in American politics often tied with anti-semitism, as in "New York Jews screwing the honest American farmer".

411 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:48:23pm

re: #402 Bob in Breckenridge

I don't think anyone has mistaken me for Mandy before . . .

412 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:48:29pm

re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.

413 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:48:41pm

re: #390 song_and_dance_man

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh yeah, the point.

Fred Thompson.

D'oh! I forgot about those posts that were critical of him as well. Another thing I can't quite remember is whether or not there was any bitchin' about Charles engaging in Fred bashing or Paul bashing in any of those threads.

414 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:49:06pm

For those unafraid to step up and start labeling:

"RonPaul: Lier-down-wth-dogs-and-getter-up-with-fleas"

[Link: global.dymo.com...]

415 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:49:34pm

re: #408 Shiplord Kirel

I expected no less.

416 Defogger  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:49:38pm

re: #409 mythicknight

Hope someone saves the pages for when the thread there gets "lost".

I'm pretty sure Charles has it covered.

417 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:51:18pm

re: #408 Shiplord Kirel

re: #389 jcm

The real purpose of RP's Blimp.

Nah, the Paulistinians bought it to house a gigantic airborne radar they were told could provide early warning of our black helicopters. Fortunately, they got it from a secret sub-division of our Division 666 (Conspiracies, Cover-ups, and Dirty Tricks) and the "radar" is just a pile of Tandy 1000 parts we got from the Salvation Army and welded together in the break room at LGF world headquarters.
The blimp is real enough, but the Paulistic pilot only thinks he's flying it himself.

So that's what you guys were up to. I went to the break room to get a snickers and they wouldn't let me in.

418 Rodan[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:51:18pm
419 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:51:29pm

re: #412 Quodlibetarian

re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.

You're posting from Britain. Why are you interested in this story?

420 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:52:37pm

Glenn Beck will be eating crow over this.

421 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:53:57pm

re: #419 Charles

Is this discussion only for Americans currently resident in the US?

422 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:54:04pm

re: #419 Charles

re: #412 Quodlibetarian


re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.


You're posting from Britain. Why are you interested in this story?

Thanks, I've always wondered how much of RP"s E-support is international in origination.

423 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:56:09pm
424 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:56:25pm

re: #410 Peter Verkooijen

re: #397 ContraJihadi


re: #332 Kaintuck
Ron Paul also seems to have some sort of obsession about restoring the gold standard. ...

Actually, this is one of the good doctor's not-idiotarian ideas, merely a tragic. The notion that the government should hold to an objective standard of worth in its constitutionally granted power of setting the standards for weights and measures is sound conservatism. ...

Actually the gold standard theme is an old timey staple of the paranoid populist undercurrent in American politics often tied with anti-semitism, as in "New York Jews screwing the honest American farmer".

Well, how the theme has been used is somewhat external to its worth as a concept, but you demonstrate one of the reasons why a return to the gold standard is a "third rail" issue. It is rather like the advocacy for a partial privatization of social security: the proposal makes budgetary and economic sense, but it steps on the wrong toes.

425 TalkinKamel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:57:08pm

#421 Quodlibertarian

It's a fair question. Ron Paul isn't running for office in your country, so what do you care what any of us Yanks think about Ron Paul?

And, trust me, there is no combination too weird for certain human minds to embrace!

426 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:58:18pm

re: #419 Charles

re: #412 Quodlibetarian


re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.


You're posting from Britain. Why are you interested in this story?

Another thing that would be cool is if you could click on someone's football and see a country flag below their icon or name in the pop up window.

427 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 7:59:54pm

re: #418 Rodan

This shows that Nazis are Leftists.
He begins the letter with Comrades.
That's a Socialist term.

I've always viewed Fascism as a variety of revolutionary socialism -- there have always been strong ties between syndicalism, anarchism, and fascism. In Germany and Italy in the early 20s and later in Spain, people moved easily between these movements. They all view both democratic socialism and Soviet style Communism as a departure from the "original" (i.e., pre-Marx) ideal of socialism. They emphasis action over theory and argue that the current state/society must be destroyed -- it will not simply "wither away" nor can it be used as a half-way house to socialism. The state is corrupt.

It has been shown that, contrary to popular belief, there really was no such thing as a Nazi "government" in the way we think of it. Rule was shared between various competing groups and one always had conflicting loyalties, which means, of course, that loyalty rather than principle was always the currency of politics. Fear kept the people in line. As one author wrote, in a country where such a large portion of the population would simply "disappear" never to be seen again, there was really little need to "rule."

428 Iwillnotsubmit  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:00:13pm

Hey Charles, Ace and the boys seem to think you are a little over the top with the Ron Paul connection and they say that you think that all of Europe is white supremecist. Comments over there are killin me. Run over there and school em will ya.

429 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:00:20pm

re: #421 Quodlibetarian

re: #419 Charles

Is this discussion only for Americans currently resident in the US?

That's not an answer to my question. Why are you trying to promote Ron Paul in America, when you live in Britain?

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:00:27pm

From the Wiktionary:

quodlibetarian: someone who constructs elaborate arguments about the fine points of any subject just for the pleasure of arguing; a troll

431 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:00:29pm

re: #383 Lucius Septimius

More serious Ron Paul supporters...
I went and looked at the "Houstontruth" website. Spot the logical fallacy:

"Our primary purpose is to open the eyes of those still unaware of the questions and facts surrounding the most tragic day in our nation's history. Through education and action we seek a new and independent investigation of all the evidence of 9/11/01. If our government has nothing to hide, why have they fought so hard to avoid one?"


Here's a pathetic encounter at the Houston city council chambers:

"Houston Truth took serious action on 9/11/07, bringing the Truth to the sheeple of H-Town and letting the thinking citizens know they’re not alone."

(the action is from 2:00 to about 4:30...)

432 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:01:14pm

re: #412 Quodlibetarian

re: #406 Peter Verkooijen
A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.

You're right, it doesn't make sense on the face of it. But I'm not sure what to make of libertarians. I used to identify myself as a libertarian for a few years when I was still in the Netherlands, but after 9-11 European "libertarians" generally were against the war in Iraq and turned increasingly anti-American. Libertarians seem to be a very confused bunch, like the fringes of radical "conservatives" who look for allies among white power trash and European crypto-fascists. Those are the circles Ron Paul apparently moves in. So I'm not surprised.

433 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:01:18pm
434 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:02:48pm

I pegged Ron Paul as a Bircher months ago in these threads, but like, who couldn't have done that. Its completely obvious that they both have the same to-do list.

435 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:03:13pm

re: #420 fsjonesy

/After last night I have something else that he can eat.

436 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:03:29pm

re: #433 song_and_dance_man

[Link: www.naturesongs.com...]

437 Sifty  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:03:33pm

re: #433 song_and_dance_man

crickets

Are they lucky crickets?

438 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:03:43pm

re: #431 jaunte

If our government has nothing to hide, why have they fought so hard to avoid one?

I just love that sort of argument. I wonder when he'll start having Cynthia McKinney stumping for him.

439 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:05:39pm

re: #426 Thanos

Does Brigadoon have a national flag?

440 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:05:42pm
441 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:07:18pm

re: #387 J.S.

As far as I know, Glenn is still endorsing Mitt Romney.

442 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:07:54pm

re: #438 Lucius Septimius

re: #431 jaunte

If our government has nothing to hide, why have they fought so hard to avoid one?

I just love that sort of argument. I wonder when he'll start having Cynthia McKinney stumping for him.

It pains me to note that there are 174 members of the Houstontruth meetup group so far.

443 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:08:06pm

re: #438 Lucius Septimius

She is too busy running for President.

444 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:08:33pm

Being Libertarian in the USA is basically choosing to stay out of the game and settling for an armchair quarterback role. Better to work within a party to promote the candidate you like the most at the primary and then promote the candidate you dislike the least in the general election.

445 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:09:54pm

re: #428 Iwillnotsubmit

Hey Charles, Ace and the boys seem to think you are a little over the top with the Ron Paul connection and they say that you think that all of Europe is white supremecist. Comments over there are killin me. Run over there and school em will ya.

I'm just curious -- are you a Ron Paul supporter?

446 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:10:11pm

re: #429 Charles

I'm not trying to promote Ron Paul. I think a lot of his ideas are crazy, and I don't think he has a hope of getting the nomination. There's a difference between thinking candidates should be treated fairly (i.e. not have allegations of neo-Nazism thrown at them absent solid evidence) and "promoting"/favoring them.

As for where I live: I can still vote, even if I do live overseas. So yes, I take an interest.

I usually lurk here, and now that I've made my point, I'll go back to doing so. Sorry if I upset anyone.

447 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:10:22pm

re: #443 NY Nana

re: #438 Lucius Septimius

She is too busy running for President.

from your link:

"In the spring, McKinney quietly moved her residence from DeKalb County to Marin County, in the suburbs of San Francisco, where she is now registered to vote and has enrolled in graduate school at the University of California at Berkeley. She is pursuing a doctorate in African American studies."

Calling all Zombies...

448 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:10:42pm

re: #439 NY Nana

re: #426 Thanos

Does Brigadoon have a national flag?

Why ever would it need one? It's got Cyd Charisse. (Be still my heart!)

449 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:12:19pm

re: #444 Mich-again

Sounds about right.

450 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:12:26pm

re: #447 jaunte

re: #443 NY Nana

re: #438 Lucius Septimius

She is too busy running for President.

from your link:


"In the spring, McKinney quietly moved her residence from DeKalb County to Marin County, in the suburbs of San Francisco, where she is now registered to vote and has enrolled in graduate school at the University of California at Berkeley. She is pursuing a doctorate in African American studies."

Calling all Zombies...

And Marin County can have her. Thank you moonbats for getting Georgia's second greatest shame out of the state. Now if they could only lure Dhimmi away.

451 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:13:40pm

re: #428 Iwillnotsubmit

and they say that you think that all of Europe is white supremecist.

Why argue with them if they are talking bullshit?

452 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:13:52pm
453 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:15:26pm

re: #446 Quodlibetarian

re: #429 Charles

I'm not trying to promote Ron Paul. I think a lot of his ideas are crazy, and I don't think he has a hope of getting the nomination. There's a difference between thinking candidates should be treated fairly (i.e. not have allegations of neo-Nazism thrown at them absent solid evidence) and "promoting"/favoring them.

As for where I live: I can still vote, even if I do live overseas. So yes, I take an interest.

I usually lurk here, and now that I've made my point, I'll go back to doing so. Sorry if I upset anyone.

Do you support Ron Paul?

454 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:15:31pm

re: #446 Quodlibetarian

Sorry if I upset anyone.

Old saying ... You wouldn't worry so much about what people thought of you if you only knew how seldom they thought of you..

455 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:16:42pm

re: #452 song_and_dance_man

It's curious how so many of the suspect posts start with a variation of "I don't support Ron Paul and I think he's a little nuts, but/so..."

It's become a real red flag. The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

456 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:17:25pm

re: #429 Charles

re: #421 Quodlibetarian

re: #419 Charles

Is this discussion only for Americans currently resident in the US?

That's not an answer to my question. Why are you trying to promote Ron Paul in America, when you live in Britain?

America has a huge impact on the rest of the world. This individual can probably have a much greater influence on the world by changing the shape of American politics than he could hope to have by influencing the politics of his own nation.

My hope is that America continues to have an outsized impact. And that this impact is used for good.

Why must we have some sort of Ron Paul litmus test on this forum? Can we not discuss ideas instead of rejecting them out of hand simply because they come from across the pond or a candidate you do not support?

457 Kaintuck  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:17:38pm

re: #444 Mich-again

Being Libertarian in the USA is basically choosing to stay out of the game and settling for an armchair quarterback role.

Has anyone ever seen a survey of Libertarians? My personal experience has been that most of them just want to decriminalize smoking weed, and that's the extent of their political philosophy.

K

458 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:18:54pm

re: #447 jaunte

Poor Zombie! Zombie is already surrounded on all sides...and now this? Oy! Did you see the vote on that page?

OT: Presenting the 2007 GOOF Awards!

459 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:18:58pm

re: #456 blueeyedfool

I wasn't asking you. I already know your agenda.

460 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:19:32pm

re: #222 song_and_dance_man

re: #215 Pro-Bush Canuck
AFAIK nobody else is close to 50,000.

This is an LGF milestone.

Geepers, but not a close second. 32,000+

Damn, that's a lot.

Actually, I believe zulubaby is beyond that... or would be, because about half of hers (about 30,000+) were from before Charles started counting.

Congrats to Babbazee, though.

461 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:21:29pm

"Nothing" is never a good hand at LGF.

462 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:21:36pm

re: #456 blueeyedfool

re: #429 Charles


re: #421 Quodlibetarian

re: #419 Charles

Is this discussion only for Americans currently resident in the US?


That's not an answer to my question. Why are you trying to promote Ron Paul in America, when you live in Britain?

America has a huge impact on the rest of the world. This individual can probably have a much greater influence on the world by changing the shape of American politics than he could hope to have by influencing the politics of his own nation.

My hope is that America continues to have an outsized impact. And that this impact is used for good.

Why must we have some sort of Ron Paul litmus test on this forum? Can we not discuss ideas instead of rejecting them out of hand simply because they come from across the pond or a candidate you do not support?

"his own nation" ? excuse me all to h*ll but a few posts above he claimed to be able to vote in American elections -- meaning that he's claiming to be an American.

463 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:22:25pm

re: #455 Charles

The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

The common trait I notice among them from firsthand personal observations at work and social circles is that they are the kind of people, (all angry white men BTW) who for no apparent reason consider themselves to be just a bit smarter than the people around them. Its like they have secret information about how everything really works. Highly prone to spreading conspiracy theories as well.

464 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:22:39pm

re: #450 Lucius Septimius

Well, speaking as a resident of Marin County who is also a Rudy supporter (avis rara, for sure), I have to wonder about McKinney's socialist credentials. Setting up a household here ain't cheep: I dwell here only because I am an equity baron of 50-years' residence. A newcomer has to proffer a potent pocketbook, let me tell you, and never proletarian!

465 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:22:47pm

re: #429 Charles

OK,
Can one not have dual citizenship. My British cousins are very interested in American politics as I am There's.

And for all off you, Ron Pauls a socialist, Prove it with any one of his votes
And as far as who's he taken money from, Be real. Would the China donations to the Dem's, Even come close ? Who's the real enemy of freedom and sovereignty here.

466 jcm  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:24:31pm

re: #455 Charles

re: #452 song_and_dance_man

It's curious how so many of the suspect posts start with a variation of "I don't support Ron Paul and I think he's a little nuts, but/so..."

It's become a real red flag. The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

A version of Rush's seminar callers.

467 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:25:30pm

re: #465 Storm'n Norm'n

re: #429 Charles

OK,
Can one not have dual citizenship. My British cousins are very interested in American politics as I am There's.

And for all off you, Ron Pauls a socialist, Prove it with any one of his votes
And as far as who's he taken money from, Be real. Would the China donations to the Dem's, Even come close ? Who's the real enemy of freedom and sovereignty here.


Obfuscation.

We are not saying Ron Paul is a socialist, we are saying he's hanging with some questionable people, and accepting donations from them.

468 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:25:44pm

re: #453 Charles

Since it's you, I'll de-lurk just to answer this: no, I do not support Ron Paul. If it wasn't clear from what I said, I think a Paul presidency would almost certainly be a disaster for the nation, especially as regards defense.

469 Q-Burn  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:25:50pm

re: #85 McNug

I didn't have to get halfway through this before I realized it was from Bill White.

Take it with an entire shaker of salt, folks.
Bill White's relationship with the "mainstream" white nationalist community is bizarre. He often makes things up to get them in trouble, in order to drum up attention for his own private business ventures.

See:
[Link: onepeoplesproject.com...]

From your link:

Bill White is not the most popular person in the world, particularly because he is seen as a self-serving basket case who is going to get some innocent people hurt if they do not know well enough to stay away from him.

Remember this about Bill: He will be, and has been whatever gets him attention. Being an asshole gets you the most attention, and as the biggest assholes in the world are Nazis, it is only natural that Bill will gravitate towards them.

Well OK then. Looks like Bill has succeeded.

470 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:26:19pm

re: #464 ContraJihadi

A fair amount of her campaign contributions came from people with Arab sounding names. And her daddy is nearly as good a shake-down artist as Sharpton. She has all kinds of sources of cash, most not terribly reputable.

471 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:26:33pm

re: #446 Quodlibetarian

Not for nuthin', but this post starts off with:

Take this one with a grain of salt, please.

472 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:26:38pm

re: #464 ContraJihadi

re: #450 Lucius Septimius

Well, speaking as a resident of Marin County who is also a Rudy supporter (avis rara, for sure), I have to wonder about McKinney's socialist credentials. Setting up a household here ain't cheep: I dwell here only because I am an equity baron of 50-years' residence. A newcomer has to proffer a potent pocketbook, let me tell you, and never proletarian!

Cynthia Mckinney is connected to some questionable money:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

473 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:27:47pm

re: #467 Thanos

re: #465 Storm'n Norm'n
re: #429 Charles

OK,
Can one not have dual citizenship. My British cousins are very interested in American politics as I am There's.

And for all off you, Ron Pauls a socialist, Prove it with any one of his votes
And as far as who's he taken money from, Be real. Would the China donations to the Dem's, Even come close ? Who's the real enemy of freedom and sovereignty here.

Obfuscation.

We are not saying Ron Paul is a socialist, we are saying he's hanging with some questionable people, and accepting donations from them.

Ron Paul is a Populist. Of the xenophobic Pat Buchanan variety.

474 kafir  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:28:32pm

Someone correct me, but I had equated Ron Paul to mean "none of the above".

I watched his live waffle on Glen Beck ... ok for a few seconds while flipping.

I do think he is nuts, and I don't support him.

The allegations of associating with extremist groups are troubling. The problem is that even "unequivocal" responses have more than a little tinge of waffling.

So far, I have heard moderately intelligent, as in not-dumb, speech from Romney, Guliani (sp ... to lazy to look it up).. I am not convinced that Fred is serious, and McCain troubles me, even if a member of the tribe endorses him.

475 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:28:37pm

re: #468 Quodlibetarian

In what ways would his presidency be a disaster, including how it concerns National Defense?

476 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:28:55pm

re: #472 jaunte

Cynthia Mckinney is connected to some questionable money:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Well. Isn't THAT shocking news...

478 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:29:44pm

re: #455 Charles

re: #452 song_and_dance_man


It's curious how so many of the suspect posts start with a variation of "I don't support Ron Paul and I think he's a little nuts, but/so..."

It's become a real red flag. The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

Better known as Ronqiyya

479 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:30:22pm

re: #476 Spiny Norman

re: #472 jaunte

Cynthia Mckinney is connected to some questionable money:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Well. Isn't THAT shocking news...

Did you notice the ad for "Single Muslims" on the sidebar?

480 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:31:38pm

What the fuck? Since when is Pat Buchanan a "white nationalist"? Charles, are you even bothering to read the pages you're linking to, or do you just take anything anti-Ron Paul as gospel?

-jcr

481 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:31:44pm

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

No, I was 'caught like a deer in the headlights' by Cynthia's photo.

482 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:32:23pm

re: #477 Charles

"Hi... I am plenty tired of the 15% liberal tail wagging the 60% conservative dog. It's about time to put these effete snobs back in their place? in an institution."

He's talking about us. Ha.

483 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:32:28pm

re: #475 blueeyedfool

re: #468 Quodlibetarian

In what ways would his presidency be a disaster, including how it concerns National Defense?

Retreating into isolationism in the face of the very real threat of international Islamic terrorism, isn't merely foolish and naïve, it's dangerous... and yes, potentially disastrous.

484 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:32:48pm

re: #463 Mich-again

re: #455 Charles

The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

The common trait I notice among them from firsthand personal observations at work and social circles is that they are the kind of people, (all angry white men BTW) who for no apparent reason consider themselves to be just a bit smarter than the people around them. Its like they have secret information about how everything really works. Highly prone to spreading conspiracy theories as well.

Project much?

-jcr

485 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:32:56pm

re: #481 jaunte

Gotta keep an eye on here. She's a master with that cell phone.

486 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:33:12pm

re: #463 Mich-again

re: #455 Charles


The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

The common trait I notice among them from firsthand personal observations at work and social circles is that they are the kind of people, (all angry white men BTW) who for no apparent reason consider themselves to be just a bit smarter than the people around them. Its like they have secret information about how everything really works. Highly prone to spreading conspiracy theories as well.

Delusions of grandeur is a common trait, yes. I hope they all don't Read Catcher in the Rye over and over again.

487 threecoloursblue  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:33:59pm

" Meet to discuss European cultures...."

/relax. they're just interested in yoghurt making!

488 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:34:14pm

re: #470 Lucius Septimius

re: #464 ContraJihadi

A fair amount of her campaign contributions came from people with Arab sounding names. And her daddy is nearly as good a shake-down artist as Sharpton. She has all kinds of sources of cash, most not terribly reputable.

Say no more. All is explained.

489 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:34:16pm

re: #481 jaunte

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

No, I was 'caught like a deer in the headlights' by Cynthia's photo.

A deer or a whale. Earlier, in another thread, Killgore presented evidence that whales are descended from deer.

How do you know that's not a panic-stricken whale in the photo?

490 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:35:03pm

re: #489 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #481 jaunte

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

No, I was 'caught like a deer in the headlights' by Cynthia's photo.

A deer or a whale. Earlier, in another thread, Killgore presented evidence that whales are descended from deer.

How do you know that's not a panic-stricken whale in the photo?

The clue was her cell phone...

491 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:35:33pm

re: #474 kafir

Why must his opinions be "nuts" rather than just wrong?

Republican's insistence on calling Ron Paul and his supporters a bunch of crazy, liberal lunatics is very offensive to the large minority of Republicans who thought we stood for small-government, states-rights, reduced-spending, tax-cutting and balanced-budgets -- the kind of Republicans that swept the House and Senate with Gingrich's Contract with America.

Abandon these ideals and return to the minority party from whence we came.

Does no one remember what happened in 1992?

492 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:35:49pm

re: #467 Thanos


What guilt by association, Then the list gets long. I like his support of the constitution and votes for tax issues. Most other things are secondary.

493 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:36:28pm

re: #472 jaunte

re: #464 ContraJihadi

re: #450 Lucius Septimius

Well, speaking as a resident of Marin County who is also a Rudy supporter (avis rara, for sure), I have to wonder about McKinney's socialist credentials. Setting up a household here ain't cheep: I dwell here only because I am an equity baron of 50-years' residence. A newcomer has to proffer a potent pocketbook, let me tell you, and never proletarian!

Cynthia Mckinney is connected to some questionable money:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Ditto my #488.

494 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:36:43pm

OK, it's been fun, but I've got early meetings in the morning.

Good night, and play nice.

495 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:36:48pm

re: #484 jcr

Ha. You know you are over the target when you start receiving flak.

496 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:37:51pm

re: #480 jcr

What the fuck? Since when is Pat Buchanan a "white nationalist"? Charles, are you even bothering to read the pages you're linking to, or do you just take anything anti-Ron Paul as gospel?

-jcr


Have you read his latest book yet?

497 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:37:53pm

re: #480 jcr

There's that whole "grain of salt" caveat at the very beginning of his post. WTF indeed.

498 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:38:05pm

re: #494 Lucius Septimius

Goodnight; see you later.

499 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:38:54pm

re: #475 blueeyedfool

re: #468 Quodlibetarian
In what ways would his presidency be a disaster, including how it concerns National Defense?

Ron Paul is a strict isolationist who believes that as long as America leaves the rest of the world alone, the rest of the world will leave America alone as well. He starts from limited government conservative or "libertarian" principles, but implicitly buys into the chickens coming home to roost reading of 9-11, which is a major reason why he's so popular with leftists.

500 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:39:04pm

Does anyone find it a bit creepy that for the last three evenings there have been Ron Paul threads and people who never post in other threads are playing the role of blocking back for Ron Paul in these threads for hundreds of posts.

There are several Ron Paul supporters in an earlier thread tonight on the donations and we're in full flame war then Charles posts that letter from the Nazi site and there is radio silence from the Paulbots for two hours. And now they're back all of a sudden all at once.

Weird.

Am I alone here?

501 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:40:28pm

re: #492 Storm'n Norm'n

re: #467 Thanos


What guilt by association, Then the list gets long. I like his support of the constitution and votes for tax issues. Most other things are secondary.

Yes it is, nothing wrong with that since Ron Paul is actively choosing those associates. This is proven by him not returning the money, and by his speaking to know extremists -- what's the new term they prefer?... Racialist groups.

502 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:41:34pm

NY Nana mentioned Brigadoon up top of this. I'm going to plug the tape into the player. Cyd Charisse is one heckuva lot more interesting than what's bubbled up out of the self-righteous populist swamp.

Night all.

Charles, thanks for LGF!

503 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:42:16pm

re: #500 Canadian Guy

Maybe the mail blimp was slow?

You're not alone.

504 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:42:55pm

re: #503 jaunte

re: #500 Canadian Guy

Maybe the mail blimp was slow?

You're not alone.


It was like they retreated and regrouped.

505 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:43:09pm

re: #500 Canadian Guy

Does anyone find it a bit creepy that for the last three evenings there have been Ron Paul threads and people who never post in other threads are playing the role of blocking back for Ron Paul in these threads for hundreds of posts.

There are several Ron Paul supporters in an earlier thread tonight on the donations and we're in full flame war then Charles posts that letter from the Nazi site and there is radio silence from the Paulbots for two hours. And now they're back all of a sudden all at once.

Weird.

Am I alone here?

They were on the ropes, so it was a timeout to regroup.

506 hazzyday  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:43:23pm

I have seen a couple of organizations that let moonies in suits creep up into the power structure until they have a fatal hold. It is not hard to imagine one or more crypto-fascists using the Ron Paul speaking tour to creep up far into his organization. All he has to do is listen to them and they become his advisors and further pollute his campaign. Naive disillusioned troofers are ripe for getting plucked by more cynical crypto-fascists who know how to recruit.

507 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:43:35pm

re: #500 Canadian Guy

Does anyone find it a bit creepy that for the last three evenings there have been Ron Paul threads and people who never post in other threads are playing the role of blocking back for Ron Paul in these threads for hundreds of posts.

There are several Ron Paul supporters in an earlier thread tonight on the donations and we're in full flame war then Charles posts that letter from the Nazi site and there is radio silence from the Paulbots for two hours. And now they're back all of a sudden all at once.

Weird.

Am I alone here?

You're not alone. It's more than a bit creepy, and the coordination is very obvious.

508 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:44:42pm
509 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:45:27pm

In those meet up groups I found one of his big supporters and organizers in the VA area is Noel Gibeson, of Mount Vernon Institute or MVI...
Here's a link to one of his papers on Palestine and Israel.

Unless peace prevails, the only thing that is certain to happen is another Arab-Israeli War. A new Arab-Israeli War could be much different than those of the past. It might entail oil production restrictions, like the one that Iraq has just imposed, and greater use of homicide bombers, or other terrorist activities. It is indeed a sad state of affairs when a Palestinian feels so powerless that he/she is willing to deprive their families and themselves of their life by becoming a homicide/suicide bomber. Now, that's frustration!

While the United States should, under no circumstances, be seen as siding with Israel, it has. This point is vitally important to the perception of the United States in the Arab and Muslim world. The US has accurately been viewed by the Muslim world as supporting Israel because of its official statements and heal-dragging before finally asking Israel to withdraw from Palestine. Both sides; Israel and Palestine, have demonstrated numerous times that they are incapable of solving this problem on their own. That is why outside intervention is mandatory. And, the US may no longer have the political capital left to accomplish a peaceful resolution because of its blatant support of Israel. It may be a European solution that finally prevails and is palatable to all parties, including the rest of the Muslim world. Blind support of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians is one reason airliners were flown into the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and a Pennsylvania cornfield

510 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:46:03pm

re: #500 Canadian Guy

Does anyone find it a bit creepy that for the last three evenings there have been Ron Paul threads and people who never post in other threads are playing the role of blocking back for Ron Paul in these threads for hundreds of posts.

There are several Ron Paul supporters in an earlier thread tonight on the donations and we're in full flame war then Charles posts that letter from the Nazi site and there is radio silence from the Paulbots for two hours. And now they're back all of a sudden all at once.

Weird.

Am I alone here?

Nope. Infiltrate, deflect, push the agenda - move the goalposts and avoid the facts.

511 hazzyday  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:46:38pm

Has this restaurant contributed to any of the other candidates?

512 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:46:45pm

Haven't had the time to read this whole thread, but I do know that, as Charles said, it should be taken with a grain of salt. After reading the "more corroboration" I noticed it was from the Southern Poverty Law Center and in response to one of the commentators,
Philip (who apparently wrote the piece or is the moderator for the SPLC) said "Ron Paul is not necessarily a racist for one speech with this group, but he risks giving those with true racist agendas legitimacy." Which is PRECISELY what Charles was driving at with the Counter-Jihad conference in Brussels about 6 weeks or so ago. Ron Paul risks his own "good name" to enable the White Supremacists to burnish their image.
FWLIW, I do NOT think Ron Paul is a racist or a White Supremacist; just a fairly naive little town politician with big time goals who will accept money from just about anyone, without necessarily endorsing what those people who provide him with money have to say. While I understand that, I simply cannot condone his allowing avowed White Supremacists to affiliate themselves with him and thereby earn more respectability or whatever (sorry, trying to wrap my mind around Ron Paul and respectability hurts my head!).

513 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:48:10pm
514 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:48:29pm

It may be time to ban all of these Paulians, in fact. The dishonesty and irrationality is becoming tedious.

515 TalkinKamel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:49:09pm

#475 blueeyedfool

Ron Paul is also dangerous, aside from his "chickens coming home to roost" attitude, and his Islolationism (as has been pointed out above) because he doesn't seem aware of the real dangerous in the world at the moment, as evidenced by his remark, which was quoted here the other day, about if Facism came to the US, it would be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a Bible. Well, it isn't the Bible carriers who are waging jihad in Darfur, Indonesia, the Philippines and many other parts of the world at the moment and what's wrong with supporting, and loving America? Does Paul see honest patriotrism as somehow, "Wrapping oneself in the flag?" and, if so, is this really a good attitude for a would-be president of the United States to have?

(If anything, I've noticed a lot more "Blame America first!" thinking since 9/11 as opposed to anything that could be called wrapping oneself in the flag.)

516 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:49:15pm

re: #509 Thanos

Read a line another way, "While the United States should, under no circumstances, be seen as siding with Britain, it has." and you'd have the German-American Bund and the America First Committee.

Nice.

517 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:50:03pm

re: #501 Thanos


Well,
I've had dinner with some people , I wouldn't even mention here, Doesn't change my views.
I just hate, the only last red dot in the North east is Gone !

I live there.

518 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:50:03pm

re: #502 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I loved that when it was first around...sleep well!

OnrayAulpay's balloon may bust any day now.

519 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:50:18pm

re: #513 Thanos

Based on the two paragraphs you quote, Noel Gibeson is either a fool or a scoundrel. Maybe both.

520 hazzyday  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:50:26pm

That reminds me of Paul's blowback problems. Which I say more blowback is fine. And letting the French solve any Middle East problem is just requiring future American troops to go solve their muckup.

re: #509 Thanos

521 TalkinKamel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:50:27pm

#500 Canadian Guy

I find everything about Ron Paul, and the Paulians, creepy.

522 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:50:44pm

My major problem with the Ron Paul Rloveution is that like any good conspiracy theory, it pretends to be reality based, but it uses only the useful facts and conceals the ones that undermine its entire basis. Duh. All politicians do that. Bingo. There is no revolution. Ron Paul is just another politician vying for a promotion. And a demagogue of a politician as well. As in he is playing on voters' predisposed prejudices for his own political gain. And he admits guilt by pretending he's totally unaware of their presence that completely surrounds him. Yeah right.

523 NY Nana  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:51:23pm

re: #515 TalkinKamel

Stop being rational and reasonable...the Troofers will be confused.

/Avoid the truth at all costs.

524 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:51:35pm

re: #508 song_and_dance_man

I find the accusation of the post disturbing, but I do not know how much of it to believe. I would like to hear what Paul has to say on the topic though.

525 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:51:43pm

re: #412 Quodlibetarian

re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.

There's also a bit of a fly in the ointment when it comes to trying to paint Pat Buchanan with the "racist" brush. His running mate was black. Go figure.

-jcr

526 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:51:43pm

re: #514 Charles

It may be time to ban all of these Paulians, in fact. The dishonesty and irrationality is becoming tedious.

Yes it is.

But on the other hand, the more we debate and research Ron Paul the more we learn about the dark forces that support him and his apparent willingness to turn a blind eye.

....

Now I don't support Ron Paul and I think he's crazy, but the gold standard .... oh never mind
/paulbot

527 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:54:36pm

re: #514 Charles

Ok, Ban us, Even if where not voting for him. or anybody, else. we will sit this one out, much as last.
You deal with it.

528 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:56:30pm
529 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:56:35pm

re: #527 Storm'n Norm'n

re: #514 Charles

Ok, Ban us, Even if where not voting for him. or anybody, else. we will sit this one out, much as last.
You deal with it.

Ooh, scary.

530 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:56:40pm

re: #512 realwest

While I understand that, I simply cannot condone his allowing avowed White Supremacists to affiliate themselves with him and thereby earn more respectability or whatever (sorry, trying to wrap my mind around Ron Paul and respectability hurts my head!).

I think you are being more than fair with your analysis, and while I think, based on some of his writings from the early 90's exposed by the Houston Chronicle (linked in at least on the RP threads yesterday) can raise questions about his personal viewpoints - you are right on the mark with the challenges around associations at this level.

There is very little difference, in my eyes, between this and the linkage of the white nationalists in Europe seeking 'respectability' because they fight jihadism and islamofascism like many of the rest us stand against it. Just because there is a common enemy or a common goal - people are not defacto allies or partners. There is a moral aspect to fighting while standing against those whose values are the antipathy of our values. As I said during the VB debates here, I am not in the Churchillian mindset and willing to make a deal with the devil in order to fight something that runs against all my values and beliefs. Making that deal weakens my values and beliefs.

Well said, Realwest.

531 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:56:50pm

re: #509 Thanos
Good find! Illustrates my point in #499

532 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:57:42pm

re: #516 Spiny Norman

re: #509 Thanos

Read a line another way, "While the United States should, under no circumstances, be seen as siding with Britain, it has." and you'd have the German-American Bund and the America First Committee.

Nice.

Interesting how that links, eh?

533 TalkinKamel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:58:02pm

#523 NY Nana

Yes, silly me, thinking logic and reason would work! AACK-YOW! Ron Paul is kewl, but Baldwin the Leper king is mah homeboy! Save the Radioactive Whales! TalkinKamel for President! (Hits self repeatedly in the head with a hammer, while goose-stepping off 'neath the banner of ball-and-screw).

534 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:59:03pm

I wouldn't ban the Paulians. Let them hang around until their foreheads have an impression that says TSALREVE.

535 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:59:30pm

re: #525 jcr

re: #412 Quodlibetarian

re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.

There's also a bit of a fly in the ointment when it comes to trying to paint Pat Buchanan with the "racist" brush. His running mate was black. Go figure.

-jcr

The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.

.
BTW, considering how Tolkien felt about the Nazis and racists in general, I'm sure he be pissed that someone there is quoting him in their sig.

536 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 8:59:40pm

re: #519 jaunte

re: #513 Thanos

Based on the two paragraphs you quote, Noel Gibeson is either a fool or a scoundrel. Maybe both.


He's RP state chairman....

MVI used to be part of GWU, but "split" with them a while back.

537 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:00:09pm

Oh, btw.

The Nazi Web chat forum knows we're watching them and has linked to this thread.

538 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:02:14pm

re: #535 Spiny Norman

The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.

Is there a paleocon word for Taqiyya?

539 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:02:24pm

re: #534 Mich-again

I wouldn't ban the Paulians. Let them hang around until their foreheads have an impression that says TSALREVE.

Yeah, that's an option too. But the problem is that they post so much deceptive BS, pretending to be "conservatives" when they're really just insane, that they may be hoodwinking some of our less-savvy readers.

540 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:02:34pm

re: #516 Spiny Norman

re: #509 Thanos

Read a line another way, "While the United States should, under no circumstances, be seen as siding with Britain, it has." and you'd have the German-American Bund and the America First Committee.

Nice.

Came back from a shower to shut down the machine and saw this. You know history, don't you! Right on target.

541 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:02:36pm

The nazis have been pulling this kind of crap for quite a few years. They attend events that are open to the public, get their pictures taken with well-known people, and then try to pretend that those people support their agenda. I'm sure they could pull out photos of their kameraden with any notable politician since the 1950's.

-jcr

542 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:03:15pm

re: #35 Lucius Septimius

But wait! Maybe they're just patriots struggling against the soft tyranny of bureaucratic centralization! You've obviously been reading the propaganda of the state and their enemies! And their symbols and banners are merely recollections of their Celtic ancestry and good luck symbols used by any number of ancient people like Hindus and Buddhists and American Indians and Egyptians and stuff like that. Since they eat at Thai restaurants they can't be mindless xenophobes! They are really sophisticated and nuanced. We just don't understand. But they're really on our side.

I missed that earlier Lucius, that was well done. :)

543 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:03:20pm

re: #527 Storm'n Norm'n

re: #514 Charles

Ok, Ban us, Even if where not voting for him. or anybody, else. we will sit this one out, much as last.
You deal with it.

Is that a promise or a threat?

544 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:03:31pm

re: #534 Mich-again

I wouldn't ban the Paulians. Let them hang around until their foreheads have an impression that says TSALREVE.

I once played a game of 4-on-4 basketball with my brother's friends from the local JC team and ended up with "TIOV" tattooed on my forehead.

Heh.

545 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:03:51pm

LGF is getting a lot of referrals from [Link: psu.facebook.com...]

Anyone have a facebook ID so we know what it says?

546 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:03:54pm

re: #538 Mich-again

re: #535 Spiny Norman


The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.

Is there a paleocon word for Taqiyya?

Nativists speak with forked tongues?

547 TalkinKamel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:04:26pm

#537 Canadian Guy

Ach du Lieber!

:>)

548 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:05:05pm

re: #518 NY Nana

re: #502 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I loved that when it was first around...sleep well!

OnrayAulpay's balloon may bust any day now.

Just came back to shut down and saw your kind note. Hopefully the sight of Charisse doesn't keep me awake all night.

LOL ... sleep well too.

549 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:05:27pm

re: #544 Spiny Norman

a

nd ended up with "TIOV" tattooed on my forehead.

LOL!

550 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:05:56pm

re: #536 Thanos

re: #519 jaunte

re: #513 Thanos

Based on the two paragraphs you quote, Noel Gibeson is either a fool or a scoundrel. Maybe both.


He's RP state chairman....

MVI used to be part of GWU, but "split" with them a while back.

Their foreign policy prescriptions stink of appeasement.

551 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:05:56pm

re: #541 jcr

The nazis have been pulling this kind of crap for quite a few years. They attend events that are open to the public, get their pictures taken with well-known people, and then try to pretend that those people support their agenda. I'm sure they could pull out photos of their kameraden with any notable politician since the 1950's.

-jcr

Remember that RP went to speak to them.
Remember that RP knows where the donation is coming from and is not returning it

Facts

552 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:06:09pm

re: #495 Mich-again

re: #484 jcr

Ha. You know you are over the target when you start receiving flak.

You're certainly spewing a lot of flack. I couldn't agree more.

-jcr

553 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:06:31pm

re: #541 jcr

One or two photos, not a great big issue.

Three plus decades worth of photos and open contacts, a huge issue.

Pat Buchanan is a White Nationalist.

...and a general all around scumbag.

FOUR
STAR,
R

554 Colonel Panik  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:06:49pm

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

Are fascists loyal troofers?
In the Ron Paul campaign, there is a harmonic convergence between (Storm) Troopers and Troofers.

Achtung! Stürmtrüfers!

Der Ron Paul Lied:

Raise high the blimp!
Ron Paul Youth are marching
For legal herb
And nine-eleven troof!

Raise high the blimp!
Moonbats and Nazis joining
In a moronic convergence
Of disaffected kooks!

555 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:07:41pm

re: #546 Thanos

re: #538 Mich-again
re: #535 Spiny Norman
The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.
Is there a paleocon word for Taqiyya?
Nativists speak with forked tongues?

I think a lot of Nativist groups are as suspicious of each other as they are of their perceived enemies.

556 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:07:51pm

re: #530 Athos Thank you for that.

557 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:08:49pm

re: #555 Spiny Norman

re: #546 Thanos

re: #538 Mich-again
re: #535 Spiny Norman
The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.
Is there a paleocon word for Taqiyya?
Nativists speak with forked tongues?

I think a lot of Nativist groups are as suspicious of each other as they are of their perceived enemies.

You certainly have that right, it borders on paranoia.

558 DrCruel  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:09:51pm

Ron Paul has - what? - maybe 2% of the vote? Ross Perot is a more viable candidate.

Seems a lot oftime and effort to invest talking about such a marginal player. What's the point?

559 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:10:14pm

Render -- I know what 14 means with skinheads, but what's 1424?

560 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:16pm

re: #539 Charles

pretending to be "conservatives"

What the heck is a "conservative" these days? And for that matter what is a liberal.

Those words have been silly puttied out of usefulness.

561 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:34pm
Is there a paleocon word for Taqiyya?

Opportunism.

562 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:11:48pm

re: #484 jcr

re: #463 Mich-again


re: #455 Charles

The Paulians have shown over and over that honesty is not their strong point.

The common trait I notice among them from firsthand personal observations at work and social circles is that they are the kind of people, (all angry white men BTW) who for no apparent reason consider themselves to be just a bit smarter than the people around them. Its like they have secret information about how everything really works. Highly prone to spreading conspiracy theories as well.

Project much?

-jcr

Nope. We leave that to you Ronulans. You and the Koslims are more alike than you will ever see.

563 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:12:04pm

re: #561 Sharmuta

Is there a paleocon word for Taqiyya?
Opportunism.

DING!

564 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:12:19pm

How 'bout that gold standard?

/discuss

565 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:12:34pm

re: #528 song_and_dance_man

I found Paul's response to the accusations about some loser's $500 donation to be excellent.

The evidence we have is that some guy who none of us like believes that Ron Paul supports his very un-Libertarian cause. He says there is a meeting on Wednesdays that Ron Paul has attended. Ron Paul's public records show that his campaign spent $300 at the Tara Thai restaurant.

That does not mean that Ron Paul talked with these people, that he talked with these people about white supremacy or whoever that guy is on that board has any association with anyone else at that meeting.

So given the actual facts that we know, I think there does not remain much more to be said about the issue until more information is found and/or his campaign addresses it.

566 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:12:53pm

re: #529 Charles

Not scary,
Reality, It's going to happen ! I don't like it !
But whats the choice ? We used to have rep's up here , overwhelm events. Had billboards. All around the county. " vote , strong family, Vote strong community, Vote strong country. Not any more. Heck John McCain was last seen at a local dinner. ( checking out those meetings) Saw a shaved head guy there ! WTF.

Your beating the wrong drum.

567 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:13:02pm

re: #539 Charles Charles, while I understand your concern about them hoodwinking our "less-savvy readers" I also think that the posters out here will set those less-savvy readers straight about this shit.
I think I gotta line up with Mich-again on this one.

568 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:13:48pm

re: #552 jcr


I couldn't agree more.

Well then, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

569 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:14:17pm

re: #565 blueeyedfool

Wrong - Upthread you will find a link to a speech by RP to the Robert Taft club.

570 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:14:30pm

re: #499 Peter Verkooijen

re: #475 blueeyedfool


re: #468 Quodlibetarian
In what ways would his presidency be a disaster, including how it concerns National Defense?

Ron Paul is a strict isolationist who believes that as long as America leaves the rest of the world alone, the rest of the world will leave America alone as well. He starts from limited government conservative or "libertarian" principles, but implicitly buys into the chickens coming home to roost reading of 9-11, which is a major reason why he's so popular with leftists.

Why would that be a disaster?

I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country. Why do you?

571 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:14:52pm

re: #535 Spiny Norman

re: #525 jcr


re: #412 Quodlibetarian
re: #406 Peter Verkooijen
A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.
There's also a bit of a fly in the ointment when it comes to trying to paint Pat Buchanan with the "racist" brush. His running mate was black. Go figure.
-jcr

The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.

.
BTW, considering how Tolkien felt about the Nazis and racists in general, I'm sure he be pissed that someone there is quoting him in their sig.

Well, there are anti-Isareli jews, so why not a black that hates blacks? I've met a couple. I didn't think they were serious at first when they told me.

572 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:15:33pm

re: #541 jcr

The nazis have been pulling this kind of crap for quite a few years. They attend events that are open to the public, get their pictures taken with well-known people, and then try to pretend that those people support their agenda. I'm sure they could pull out photos of their kameraden with any notable politician since the 1950's.

-jcr

re: #558 DrCruel

Ron Paul has - what? - maybe 2% of the vote? Ross Perot is a more viable candidate.

Seems a lot oftime and effort to invest talking about such a marginal player. What's the point?

I don't know about Charles, but for me the point is he's actively giving legitimacy (the little that he has) to 9/11 troofers and the more we scratch the surface the more we discover other disturbing associations.

573 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:15:50pm

re: #545 Killgore Trout

LGF is getting a lot of referrals from [Link: psu.facebook.com...]

Anyone have a facebook ID so we know what it says?

It's a nest of Ron Paul college kid morons, assuring each other that none of this means anything, and that the Crazy Uncle is "squeaky clean" (in their words).

574 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:15:57pm

re: #551 Thanos

re: #541 jcr

The nazis have been pulling this kind of crap for quite a few years. They attend events that are open to the public, get their pictures taken with well-known people, and then try to pretend that those people support their agenda. I'm sure they could pull out photos of their kameraden with any notable politician since the 1950's.

-jcr

Remember that RP went to speak to them.
Remember that RP knows where the donation is coming from and is not returning it

Facts

Bullshit. Ron Paul went to speak at the Robert Taft club, and some nazis claim to have attended the event. The Taft club is a group of small-government conservatives, who admire Robert Taft (obviously), a man noted for fiscal conservatism during his tenure in the congress.

You sure as hell don't waltz in there with a swastika on and get a warm reception by advertising your sympathy with the regime that killed a hundred thousand US soldiers in WW II. The members of the Taft club are patriots, who know damn well that "american nazis" are traitors.

-jcr

575 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:16:13pm

re: #566 Storm'n Norm'n

Who the [expletive deleted] cares if you're not going to vote?

/crawl back in your bunker and inventory your ammunition

576 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:16:57pm

re: #570 blueeyedfool

Still clueless, eh?
Still working on moving the goalposts too, eh?

"A few thousand".....right. Whatever. Your credibility vanished several days ago. Perhaps you should just go about looking for it rather than shill any further?

577 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:17:16pm

re: #570 blueeyedfool


I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country. Why do you?

[Link: www.fallacyfiles.org...]

578 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:17:26pm

re: #514 Charles

Charles, you have written out plainly what the criteria for banning are. Most Paulites have shown themselves to be mere spammers. They may very well merit banning under the rules you have announced. I wonder though whether you would want to ban somebody who, mirabile visu, avoided cliches and clamorous recitations and actually did try to defend Paul's platform with reason and without appeals to conspiracy theories.

I know that despite your lizardly omniscience, you cannot monitor every post and so a blanket policy would seem attractive, but LGF is a haven of free speech and valorous dissension, as long as it is civil and not repeatedly and perversely lunatic. It would be well for it to remain so.

579 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:18:23pm

re: #566 Storm'n Norm'n

re: #529 Charles

Not scary,
Reality, It's going to happen ! I don't like it !
But whats the choice ? We used to have rep's up here , overwhelm events. Had billboards. All around the county. " vote , strong family, Vote strong community, Vote strong country. Not any more. Heck John McCain was last seen at a local dinner. ( checking out those meetings) Saw a shaved head guy there ! WTF.

Your beating the wrong drum.

The first thing RP would do would is tear down the defense of this country. He ranks on the "military industrial complex" and "big corporations" enough to sound like Noam Chomsky's twin.

580 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:18:52pm

re: #570 blueeyedfool

"Why would isolationism be a disaster?"

There you have the Ron Paul mind virus, writ small.

581 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:19:02pm

re: #565 blueeyedfool

re: #528 song_and_dance_man


That does not mean that Ron Paul talked with these people, that he talked with these people about white supremacy or whoever that guy is on that board has any association with anyone else at that meeting.

So given the actual facts that we know, I think there does not remain much more to be said about the issue until more information is found and/or his campaign addresses it.

Read the thread BlueEyedMinistryofTruth

The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va.


Do you take us for fools?

582 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:19:38pm

re: #574 jcr


Are you a member?

583 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:19:56pm

re: #580 Charles

And you somehow think that spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year for the rest of time is not going to be a disaster for us?

584 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:04pm
585 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:22pm

re: #581 Canadian Guy

No. I am unfamiliar with the Robert A Taft club. I also know that liberals are quick to equate anything that smells of conservatism as Fascist. So I am a little skeptical. I cannot make a judgment on something I have never heard of in mere minutes. Sorry.

586 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:29pm

re: #565 blueeyedfool

If you went to a political rally and found yourself cheering for candidate X amongst neo-Nazis and supremacists would you...

A) Question what the hell you are cheering for, given the character of the others around you.

B) Think to yourself, Wow, those guys aren't as bad as I always heard they were.

587 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:21:42pm

re: #577 jaunte

Deja vu

588 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:22:22pm

re: #583 blueeyedfool

"In order to show that a proposition P is unacceptable, a sequence of increasingly unacceptable events is shown to follow from P. A slippery slope is an illegitimate use of the "if-then" operator."

589 Thanos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:23:01pm

Well I hate to miss the obvious fun to be had here, but we have an early morning cut. Time for me to get some sleeps.

I just bought the album Gnomeria, it's great.

590 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:23:06pm

re: #573 Charles

Thanks.

591 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:24:55pm

Uncle Paul is squeaky, but not terribly clean.

592 hazzyday  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:09pm

I've never thought of Pat Buchanan as a WN type. Paleo Conservative who wants to live in an isolated country. That probably does appeal to WN types. But I mostly watched him on CNN crossfire, his opponents there might know him best. Was that Michael Kinsley of Slate?

he is sort of Bill O'Reilly's old bitter uncle.

593 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:09pm

re: #583 blueeyedfool

re: #580 Charles

And you somehow think that spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year for the rest of time is not going to be a disaster for us?

It may be an unpleasant choice, but the other option is much worse.

594 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:13pm

I'm trying to think of one war isolationist policy has managed to avert or prevent. If memory serves- American isolationism made the situations worse until we had to toss the isolationism right out the window.

I also find isolationism to be morally corrupt- how can we sit and do nothing while evil marches forward?

595 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:25pm

re: #583 blueeyedfool

Reality must be a concept you have a challenge with.

Oh, that's it. Nobody anywhere ever does anything on their or to promote their own interests, goals, and desires. Everyone only reacts to the actions of the US.

Feh

596 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:42pm

re: #570 blueeyedfool

re: #499 Peter Verkooijen
re: #475 blueeyedfool
re: #468 Quodlibetarian
In what ways would his presidency be a disaster, including how it concerns National Defense?

Ron Paul is a strict isolationist who believes that as long as America leaves the rest of the world alone, the rest of the world will leave America alone as well. He starts from limited government conservative or "libertarian" principles, but implicitly buys into the chickens coming home to roost reading of 9-11, which is a major reason why he's so popular with leftists.

Why would that be a disaster?
I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country. Why do you?

You just illustrated your utter cluelessness about what's going on in the world outside the US.

597 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:25:59pm

re: #575 Killian Bundy

Thanks,
I do that well. Will continue to do so.

Whats the problem, see losing !

598 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:26:38pm

re: #570 blueeyedfool

re: #499 Peter Verkooijen


re: #475 blueeyedfool


re: #468 Quodlibetarian
In what ways would his presidency be a disaster, including how it concerns National Defense?

Ron Paul is a strict isolationist who believes that as long as America leaves the rest of the world alone, the rest of the world will leave America alone as well. He starts from limited government conservative or "libertarian" principles, but implicitly buys into the chickens coming home to roost reading of 9-11, which is a major reason why he's so popular with leftists.

Why would that be a disaster?

I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country. Why do you?

Ah yes, the claim that he'll restore the Constitution trumps all. So in order to believe the fantasy that RP will create a political paradise, the negatives must be dealt with.
Ronulan mode:
Hiding under the bed from terrorism? Why, it's not a big deal. They don't want to kill us for being infidels, they just want us out of the ME. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Iran trying to get nukes and build missiles capable of striking the U.S. ?Why, they are all bluff and can only hurt Israel, whose destruction will have no repercussions for the U.S. or the ME (yeah, that's it).
There is no threat, gooooo baaack to sleeep. Everything is fiiiine. RP will save us all. He is the messiaaaahhhh....

599 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:26:45pm

re: #588 jaunte

Could 'fool' be a sockpuppet for Gadlaw - or vice versa?

600 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:27:42pm

re: #594 Sharmuta

I'm trying to think of one war isolationist policy has managed to avert or prevent. If memory serves- American isolationism made the situations worse until we had to toss the isolationism right out the window.

I also find isolationism to be morally corrupt- how can we sit and do nothing while evil marches forward?

That's why the advocacy of isolationism is morally and intellectually bankrupt.

601 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:27:45pm

re: #570 blueeyedidiot, what Sharmuta said in #594!

602 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:27:46pm

re: #572 Canadian Guy

re: #541 jcr

The nazis have been pulling this kind of crap for quite a few years. They attend events that are open to the public, get their pictures taken with well-known people, and then try to pretend that those people support their agenda. I'm sure they could pull out photos of their kameraden with any notable politician since the 1950's.

-jcr

re: #558 DrCruel

Ron Paul has - what? - maybe 2% of the vote? Ross Perot is a more viable candidate.

Seems a lot oftime and effort to invest talking about such a marginal player. What's the point?

I don't know about Charles, but for me the point is he's actively giving legitimacy (the little that he has) to 9/11 troofers and the more we scratch the surface the more we discover other disturbing associations.

Sorry, this turns out not to be the case. See the Glen Beck interview:

starting at the 3 minute mark, he makes it very clear that he's not a troofer, and if calling the conspiracy theories "preposterous" isn't enough for you then I have to conclude that you simply can't understand English.

-jcr

603 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:27:51pm

re: #584 song_and_dance_man


Also, I noticed they came in at the tail end of this thread. Could it be they hoped to hijack it as it were and leave their spiel hoping it would go unnoticed being unanswered?

I think they had to come up with new talking points to deal with this bombshell. It took them a couple of hours and revealed the coordination behind this.

604 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:28:08pm

re: #592 hazzyday

I've never thought of Pat Buchanan as a WN type. Paleo Conservative who wants to live in an isolated country. That probably does appeal to WN types. But I mostly watched him on CNN crossfire, his opponents there might know him best. Was that Michael Kinsley of Slate?

he is sort of Bill O'Reilly's old bitter uncle.

Pat Buchanan is highly connected in the White Nationalist universe. In fact, he's one of their main centers of activity.

I've learned more than I ever wanted to know about these connections in the past couple of months.

605 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:29:54pm

The Stormfront goons should be a bit confused.

What Bill White posted in the VNN forum is a "violation" of the New Orleans Protocol.

Up until now I haven't seen anything to confirm or deny that anybody representing VNN was at or had signed the N.O. Protocol.

Even if everything that Bill White posted is a lie, (and it certainly appears that at least one thing is true - RP was at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington Va.), White may have found the "fame" he was selling his soul to achieve. With the usual results from making deals with the devil.

If he can't back this up, I think he might be open for a lawsuit from RP and possibly a campaign violation or two. Even if he can back this up, he's crapped on the floors in both RP's and DD's houses in a big way, at a really bad time, for them.

I wonder if Bill White will use the "writing a book" excuse...

TWO
SWORDS,
R

606 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:30:01pm
607 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:30:04pm

re: #594 Sharmuta

I'm trying to think of one war isolationist policy has managed to avert or prevent.

Most people think the stock market crash in 1929 caused the Great Depression. But in reality it was the Governments response to the crash, namely the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act that killed the economy. And Ron Paul proposes nuevo Smoot-Hawleyism to solve our economic problems.

History doesn't repeat itself, it stutters.

608 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:30:10pm

re: #599 Athos

re: #588 jaunte

Could 'fool' be a sockpuppet for Gadlaw - or vice versa?

I haven't been payng close enough attention to their language to say for sure, but it's possible.

(though the delusion presents in similar ways)

609 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:12pm

re: #598 Hard Right

Restore the Constitution? He can't even read / interpret it properly. He talks about isolationism and non-involvement because that's what the Founders wanted - and still can't reconcile that to the actions of Jefferson and Monroe?

610 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:31:37pm

re: #600 Athos

Ignoring danger doesn't protect you from it.

611 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:32:31pm

re: #571 Hard Right

re: #535 Spiny Norman
re: #525 jcr
re: #412 Quodlibetarian
re: #406 Peter Verkooijen
A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.
There's also a bit of a fly in the ointment when it comes to trying to paint Pat Buchanan with the "racist" brush. His running mate was black. Go figure.
-jcr
The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.
Well, there are anti-Israeli Jews, so why not a black that hates blacks? I've met a couple. I didn't think they were serious at first when they told me.

I've never met any of those, but I have known a few who detest modern "black urban culture". They sound a lot like Bill Cosby, only angrier.

612 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:33:03pm

re: #602 jcr

Sorry, this turns out not to be the case. See the Glen Beck interview:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

starting at the 3 minute mark, he makes it very clear that he's not a troofer, and if calling the conspiracy theories "preposterous" isn't enough for you then I have to conclude that you simply can't understand English.

-jcr

Then what's he doing appearing on the biggest troofer in the world's radio program, not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. I'm not saying he's a troofer, I'm saying he's giving legitimacy to trooferism.

613 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:33:07pm

re: #559 Thanos

I thought for a while it meant "Straight Edge" or had something to do with the wartime nazi anti-smoking laws. But I'm not positive of that by any means....

BD?,
R

614 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:33:39pm

re: #602 jcr

he makes it very clear that he's not a troofer

No, he makes it clear he is just Uncle Scar hanging out with the hyenas.

615 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:34:00pm

re: #570 blueeyedfool Assuming that you're asking serious questions, let me respond by saying that a) a Nation of tens of millions of people, armed with their own nuclear weapons and the missiles with which to deliver them (Pakistan) is in danger of being taken over by Jihadists - you remember them jihadists, don't you, they're the ones who actually DID pull off 9/11, killing thousands of our fellow Americans and of course there's also b) Iran which, under Amedinnerjacket is one large Islamist State which has vowed that (i) it has the right to nuclear weapons (ii) the US is the Great Satan and woe to us if we try to stop their "peaceful" nuclear ambitions and
(iii) Israel has no right to exist and that Iran will drive them into the ocean, not to bother mentioning c) Al-Quada, the "original" jihadists who seek the same thing as do the jihadists in Pakistan and, though they hate Iran (which is more aptly known by it's historical name of Persia - anathema to Arabs) they hate the US even more and as Charles showed us on his link dump the other night, they are also actively trying to obtain nuclear weapons or d) the so far "Free Lance" jihadists who have caused havoc and loss of life in England and in other places (like Thailand) throughout the World.
What really bothers me about Ron Paul is precisely that he is an isolationist and really does believe that if we pull up the drawbridge, we'll be safe.

616 gman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:34:31pm

re: #574 jcr

re: #551 Thanos

re: #541 jcr

The nazis have been pulling this kind of crap for quite a few years. They attend events that are open to the public, get their pictures taken with well-known people, and then try to pretend that those people support their agenda. I'm sure they could pull out photos of their kameraden with any notable politician since the 1950's.

-jcr

Remember that RP went to speak to them.
Remember that RP knows where the donation is coming from and is not returning it

Facts

Bullshit. Ron Paul went to speak at the Robert Taft club, and some nazis claim to have attended the event. The Taft club is a group of small-government conservatives, who admire Robert Taft (obviously), a man noted for fiscal conservatism during his tenure in the congress.

You sure as hell don't waltz in there with a swastika on and get a warm reception by advertising your sympathy with the regime that killed a hundred thousand US soldiers in WW II. The members of the Taft club are patriots, who know damn well that "american nazis" are traitors.

-jcr

These "Patriots" invited DeWinter to come out and give a speech.

617 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:34:46pm

re: #609 Athos

re: #598 Hard Right

Restore the Constitution? He can't even read / interpret it properly. He talks about isolationism and non-involvement because that's what the Founders wanted - and still can't reconcile that to the actions of Jefferson and Monroe?

Or isolationism and WWI and WWII. Just like the lefties, their fantasy universe that will "exist" if RP wins is all that matters to the Ronulans. Reality? They reject it and create their own.

618 least  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:35:05pm

Wow, I finished reading this thread (for now, anyway . . . it's at 590 as I type)
I, too noticed a great silence -- and then a Luap-allanche.
They had a time-out, had a mind meld and POW! WHACK! BOOM! Deflectors up, shields to maximum!
If they do get the banning stick, they'll know LGF is part of the BusHitler/Bilderberger machine.
heh

619 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:35:19pm

re: #615 realwest

Nice post Bro.

620 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:36:06pm

re: #582 Thanos

re: #574 jcr

Are you a member?

No, and I probably wouldn't join the Robert Taft club even if I still lived back east. Discussion groups like that rarely get speakers that I'd really want to go and listen to, but I'd show up if they had Tom Sowell or some other author that I wanted to hear.

-jcr

621 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:36:11pm

re: #615 realwest


Ron Paul. In Your Heart You Maginot He's Right.

622 jcr  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:40:07pm

re: #612 Canadian Guy

re: #602 jcr

Sorry, this turns out not to be the case. See the Glen Beck interview:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

starting at the 3 minute mark, he makes it very clear that he's not a troofer, and if calling the conspiracy theories "preposterous" isn't enough for you then I have to conclude that you simply can't understand English.

-jcr

Then what's he doing appearing on the biggest troofer in the world's radio program, not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. I'm not saying he's a troofer, I'm saying he's giving legitimacy to trooferism.

Giving it legitimacy, by calling it preposterous? Get serious.

Now, by your "logic", if a liberal appears on a conservative's talk show or vice-versa, does that mean that they're endorsing the host's point of view?

-jcr

623 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:40:57pm
624 gman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:32pm

re: #507 Charles

re: #500 Canadian Guy

Does anyone find it a bit creepy that for the last three evenings there have been Ron Paul threads and people who never post in other threads are playing the role of blocking back for Ron Paul in these threads for hundreds of posts.

There are several Ron Paul supporters in an earlier thread tonight on the donations and we're in full flame war then Charles posts that letter from the Nazi site and there is radio silence from the Paulbots for two hours. And now they're back all of a sudden all at once.

Weird.

Am I alone here?

You're not alone. It's more than a bit creepy, and the coordination is very obvious.

Hey, Charles, it would be easy to figure out which ones are the Mobies. They would be the ones who only post on a certain topic and never on other topics. They just have their agenda to push and they don't care about a 2-way dialogue.

625 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:35pm

re: #609 Athos

re: #598 Hard Right

Restore the Constitution? He can't even read / interpret it properly. He talks about isolationism and non-involvement because that's what the Founders wanted - and still can't reconcile that to the actions of Jefferson and Monroe?

That's a good point. Somebody ought to ask Ron Paul what he thinks about Jefferson's sending the marines far across the sea against the dey of Algiers.

626 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:41pm

re: #574 jcr

Bullshit. Ron Paul went to speak at the Robert Taft club, and some nazis claim to have attended the event. The Taft club is a group of small-government conservatives, who admire Robert Taft (obviously), a man noted for fiscal conservatism during his tenure in the congress.

You sure as hell don't waltz in there with a swastika on and get a warm reception by advertising your sympathy with the regime that killed a hundred thousand US soldiers in WW II. The members of the Taft club are patriots, who know damn well that "american nazis" are traitors.

Bullshit is right. The Robert Taft club hosts speeches by white nationalists, racialists, and yes... Stormfront types. They're connected to the Council of Conservative Citizens and many other white nationalist and crypto-fascist groups.

You're revealing yourself quite nicely.

627 kentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:45pm

re: #507 Charles

re: #500 Canadian Guy


Does anyone find it a bit creepy that for the last three evenings there have been Ron Paul threads and people who never post in other threads are playing the role of blocking back for Ron Paul in these threads for hundreds of posts.

There are several Ron Paul supporters in an earlier thread tonight on the donations and we're in full flame war then Charles posts that letter from the Nazi site and there is radio silence from the Paulbots for two hours. And now they're back all of a sudden all at once.

Weird.

Am I alone here?


You're not alone. It's more than a bit creepy, and the coordination is very obvious.

It's their standard MO over on other boards (Hot Air, Free Republic, etc.), as well.

628 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:41:49pm

re: #586 Mich-again

America is a very large place, filled with many people who hold ideas I find wonderful and inspirational. But it is large enough that there are darker corners of the country with which I have no desire to associate. However, I find the notion of gutting the freedoms and ideals to which we all aspire -- those which make our country so great -- far more frightening than tolerating the few fringe elements who abuse our freedom like ticks and lice.

Even when idiots lynch, mob and blow up buildings, my faith that America continues to be an ever brighter city shining upon a hill does not waver.

Ron Paul and his campaign of liberty presents the same situation for me.

So I would answer:

C.) I am brave enough to realize that -- despite sensational headlines -- enough of my honorable peers view freedom important enough to marginalize the impact and influence of any dishonorable people promoting the campaign who might use it for tyranny.

629 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:42:05pm

Alex Jones isn't a liberal or a conservative, he's a conspiracy theorist. Big difference.

630 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:42:38pm

re: #619 Mich-again Thanks for saying that. It just really, really pisses me off that because Ron Paul wants to pull up the drawbridge he actually believes (and, apparently so do his followers) that the US will be safer when the reality is the US would be in mortal peril.
That's why I think Ron Paul is a dangerous man - he's not particularly bright (I don't care that he's a doctor) and is so completely ignorant of foreign affairs. Ron Paul makes Hillary Clinton look like a genius and that takes a LOT of doing!

631 Hard Right  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:43:17pm

re: #611 Spiny Norman

re: #571 Hard Right

re: #535 Spiny Norman
re: #525 jcr
re: #412 Quodlibetarian
re: #406 Peter Verkooijen
A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.
There's also a bit of a fly in the ointment when it comes to trying to paint Pat Buchanan with the "racist" brush. His running mate was black. Go figure.
-jcr
The goons at Stormfront aren't sure what to make of it, either.
Well, there are anti-Israeli Jews, so why not a black that hates blacks? I've met a couple. I didn't think they were serious at first when they told me.

I've never met any of those, but I have known a few who detest modern "black urban culture". They sound a lot like Bill Cosby, only angrier.

It was quite a shock to hear the words, " I hate black people." One was male and the other female. They would only date non blacks. I just kept my mouth shut around them as they seemed to have some issues.

632 Orde  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:43:54pm

re: #546 Thanos
Goebbelspeak?

re: #412 Quodlibetarian

re: #406 Peter Verkooijen

A "national socialist" who reveres Murray Rothbard, a Jewish anarcho-capitalist? He may have loopy ideas, but short of suffering from multiple personality disorder, I think that combination would be a bit difficult.

Obfuscator. But for those unfamiliar with Rothbard and who his fans are, I'll just offer one example of how Rothbard is popular with racist antisemites. Over on the book cataloguing website LibraryThing, for illustration purposes, one of the members has a catalog consisting of 164 books, 12 of them are by Rothbard and many, many more are about Rothbard or similar topics; I also note that though this member's catalog is rather small, there are several hardcore racist and antisemitic books. Here's the Profile page for said member "RG415WBFA", click on his "see catalog" link to see his assortment of Rothbard and antisemitic and racist literature, such as:

*The Holocaust Industry
*The IQ Argument: Race, Intelligence and Education
*The Judas Goat: The Enemy Within--for which the user links to a review of this antisemitic classic
*Race and Reality
*Other Holocausts
and the real obvious one, the only book that I notice this member bothers to rate, and which he rates with 5 stars and offers a review link to white-history dot com, is for the white supremacist classic March of the Titans: A History of the White Race, which the member misspells, so I will link to it with the misspelling so that you can see at the bottom of the book page the Rothbard fan's review link to the white-history page:
March of the Titians(sic): A History of the White Race

I have taken time to give this one example not because I buy your crap, but because I couldn't let it stand because some others are not familiar with the very common link between Rothbard and neonazis.

633 Quodlibetarian  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:44:33pm

Well, I said I'd quit the discussion, but I've been Googling and thought other LGFers might be interested to see that another recent speaker at the Robert A. Taft Club was John Derbyshire of the National Review.

634 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:45:29pm

re: #615 realwest

I like and respect, You.

What part of pulling up the draw bridge ( imagration ) was it wrong. If the germantic tribes never did so, Well history would be different.

635 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:46:32pm

re: #622 jcr

Canadian Guy wasn't referring to Glen Beck's show, but rather Alex Jones' show that Charles spoke about in the thread last night. And you know that because you were here with the same catch me if you can BS..

Look. You can lie to other people about what you see here but you can't lie to us. Duh.

636 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:46:57pm

re: #621 jaunte That would ordinarily warrant a LOL, but I'm afraid Ron Paul is simply too dangerous to the preservation of the United States to laugh.
And I'm hoping that blueeyedfool gets around to my #615 soon, cause I'm tired and gonna have to get some sleep.

637 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:47:00pm

I'm counting about six Paulians in this thread, doing their best to throw out as much flak as possible.

638 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:47:04pm

re: #633 Totalitarian

Well aware of that.

ANY
FURTHER
QUESTIONS?,
R

639 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:48:19pm

re: #635 Mich-again

re: #622 jcr

Canadian Guy wasn't referring to Glen Beck's show, but rather Alex Jones' show that Charles spoke about in the thread last night. And you know that because you were here with the same catch me if you can BS..

Look. You can lie to other people about what you see here but you can't lie to us. Duh.

Yep, he knows exactly what the issue is, and he's deliberately trying to confuse it.

640 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:48:31pm

re: #635 Mich-again

re: #622 jcr

Canadian Guy wasn't referring to Glen Beck's show, but rather Alex Jones' show that Charles spoke about in the thread last night. And you know that because you were here with the same catch me if you can BS..

Look. You can lie to other people about what you see here but you can't lie to us. Duh.

I don't think he was lying. He was referring to Alex Jones, but he was making an apple and oranges comparison.

641 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:48:56pm

re: #634 Storm'n Norm'n

(spellcheck is your friend)

Where are you going with that?

RED
DOT,
R

642 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:49:27pm

re: #628 blueeyedfool

C.) I am brave enough to realize that -- despite sensational headlines -- enough of my honorable peers view freedom important enough to marginalize the impact and influence of any dishonorable people promoting the campaign who might use it for tyranny.

Ha. that sounds like something some other old lgf fjposter might have said.

643 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:49:59pm

re: #636 realwest

Thanks. I don't think they have a sustainable argument on the subject yet.

644 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:50:47pm

re: #634 Storm'n Norm'n

If the germantic tribes never did so, Well history would be different.

Which ones?

645 LemonJoose  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:52:25pm

Something is fishy here. I have never been a Ron Paul supporter, but the SPLC is a pretty lefty kind of organization. Their blogroll is full of lefty blogs. I don't know what to make of it right now -- I think this needs to play itself out a little more. Is Ron Paul a closet racist? Or is this some kind of inflated smear campaign designed to to get him discredited as a racist? If it's the latter, then who is behind the smear campaign, and who benefits from it? The SPLC is a pretty lefty kind of organization, and Ron Paul has been sucking up a lot of lefty internet political donations recently. MoveOn.org and the Obama and Kucinich campaigns can't be liking Ron Paul funnelling precious campaign contributions away. On the other hand, it must be acknowledged that there are pro-war, so-called "neo-con" elements in the Republican party who don't like him much either.

646 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:52:38pm

re: #642 Mich-again

fjorposer?

/Couldn't help myself

647 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:11pm

re: #632 Orde

Great post. Thanks for that.

648 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:48pm

re: #646 Sharmuta

re: #642 Mich-again

fjorposer?

/Couldn't help myself

Join the Rjevolution!

649 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:53:57pm

This story's already generating some heat.....
Neo-Nazi complains about Ron Paul's denial of ties to white supremacists

I feel a Drudgealanche coming on.

650 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:54:04pm

re: #645 LemonJoose

Something is fishy here. I have never been a Ron Paul supporter, but .


sigh.....

651 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:54:08pm

>I'm counting about six Paulians in this thread, doing their best to throw out as much flak as possible.

I'm not a Paulian, but I gotta say that linking to the Southern Poverty Law Center is pretty weak.

652 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:55:18pm

re: #615 realwest

re: #570 blueeyedfool Assuming that you're asking serious questions, let me respond by saying that a) a Nation of tens of millions of people, armed with their own nuclear weapons and the missiles with which to deliver them (Pakistan) is in danger of being taken over by Jihadists - you remember them jihadists, don't you, they're the ones who actually DID pull off 9/11, killing thousands of our fellow Americans and of course there's also b) Iran which, under Amedinnerjacket is one large Islamist State which has vowed that (i) it has the right to nuclear weapons (ii) the US is the Great Satan and woe to us if we try to stop their "peaceful" nuclear ambitions and
(iii) Israel has no right to exist and that Iran will drive them into the ocean, not to bother mentioning c) Al-Quada, the "original" jihadists who seek the same thing as do the jihadists in Pakistan and, though they hate Iran (which is more aptly known by it's historical name of Persia - anathema to Arabs) they hate the US even more and as Charles showed us on his link dump the other night, they are also actively trying to obtain nuclear weapons or d) the so far "Free Lance" jihadists who have caused havoc and loss of life in England and in other places (like Thailand) throughout the World.
What really bothers me about Ron Paul is precisely that he is an isolationist and really does believe that if we pull up the drawbridge, we'll be safe.

It is very much a serious question. I voted for Bush in 2000 and was strongly in support of the Iraq War when it began. I find the trajectory of my thought to follow a very similar path to Andrew Sullivan's.

How does letting Iraqis shoot at American troops make the situation in Pakistan any better? I'd like to remind you that our government gives billions of dollars in support to the Pakistan regime. Our government seems to think those guys with nukes are our friends.

So again, how does borrowing half a trillion dollars from China to kill Syrians in Iraq make Jihadists less likely to take over Pakistan?

I'd like to remind you that the people responsible for 9/11 were Saudis living in Afghanistan and getting support from the Taliban -- the guys who seem to be taking over Pakistan while our troops die in Iraq.

Russia controlled hundreds of millions of people and large portions of Europe and Asia. They were ready to launch 8,000 nukes at us for more than half a century. Yet we did not attack them.

We waited until Germany and Japan took over the majority of Europe and Asia before we got involved in World War Two -- even then we waited until Japan destroyed our navy. And that was an enormous success for us -- and the entire world. Japan and Germany became far more prosperous in their defeat than they could have trying to run an Empire. So was world war 1 where we were even more reluctant to enter the war.

Why are we so eager to start shedding blood today?

Why are we so eager to foot the global police bill? Almost 50% of global military spending is done by the USA. That is absurd.

653 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:56:15pm

Didn't we (at first) try that whole isolationist thing with the third reich? Didn't that work out just fuckin' great? I don't get it, what's everybody's gripe with isolationism?

/

654 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:56:19pm

re: #632 Order

Thank you for proving a point I made early in this thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The current term is "beards," but they had a different name during the Shoah.

They are as much of an embarrassment as the NK scum.

BEN
GURION,
R

655 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:56:21pm

Seven.

656 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:56:55pm

re: #573 Charles

Post #10 (name obscured) (no network) replied to (name obscured) post 2 hours ago.
Ron Paul was once the guest on Politicall Cesspoll... A white nationalist radio program... He met with James Edward and other White Nationalists related to him...


Ohh, this is a good one:

Post #11 (name obscured) (no network) replied to (name obscured) post 2 hours ago.
This is a lie. If you even bother to read the members of the VNN forum are even calling this guy out for lying. This was done to try and hurt Ron Paul.

If you stop and think about it, the guy who posted that was not a "neo nazi" as you people like to label anyone pro white. Its obvious this guy is acting like he is in an attempt to try and mess up Ron Paul's campaign.

emphasis mine

Another gem:

Post #29
2 replies
(name obscured) (no network) replied to (name obscured) post 2 hours ago.
Pat Buchanan IS a WHITE NATIONALIST ...

« By 2050 there will be almost 2.5 times as many people here as in 1960: 420 million. The share of the population of European descent will be a minority as it is today in California, Texas and New Mexico. And that minority will be aging, shrinking and dying. There will be as many Hispanics here, 102 million, as there are Mexicans today in Mexico... -Pat Buchanan »

« The crisis of the West is a collapsing culture and vanishing peoples, as a Third World that grows by 100 million people, the equivalent of a new Mexico, every 18 months, mounts the greatest invasion in history of the world. If we do not shake off our paralysis, the West comes to an end. -Pat Buchanan »

«In his litany of famous immigrants who have contributed mightily to America, JFK does not mention a single woman, African or Asian. All are males and all were from Europe, except one West Indian: Alexander Hamilton. And JFK assures the nation, "Immigrants would still be given tests for health, intelligence, morality and security... -Pat Buchanan »

« Young Asian males are nine times as likely as white youth to belong to a gang and Hispanic youth are 19 times more likely. A disproportionate share of Hispanic young and poor are thus assimilating into a misogynistic, rebellious, youth sub-culture of drugs, gangs, crime, contempt for formal education, and hostility to police. - Pat Buchanan »

« Islamization of Europe is an unavoidable consequence, indeed, an inevitability, once Europe ceased to reproduce itself. The descendants of the men who went out from Europe to conquer and Christianize the world have decided to leave the world. The culture of death triumphs, as the poor but fecund Muslims, expelled centuries ago, return to inherit the estate. -Pat Buchanan »

Pat FOR PREZ

And here we go again:

Post #30
(name obscured) (no network) replied to (name obscured) post 2 hours ago.
white nationalist shouldnt be a bad word. it isnt. there is nothing wrong with being one. no one gives the blacks in the NAACP any shit because they are a pro black organization.
there is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve and promote ones people and culture.

OOOH, look at this!

Post #33
1 reply
(name obscured) (Eastern CT) wrote 2 hours ago.
please stop posting on this thread.

for the love of this campaign, please.

do not support this media smear by bumping up to the top of our discussion list.

submitter reported. end of story.

Awww

Post #38
2 replies
(name obscured) (Central Senior High) replied to (name obscured) post 2 hours ago.
it's already on LGF. we can't try to bury this now, we have to confront it and ascertain whether or not it's true. at first i was unsure, but not i'm leaning towards it's not true. if we try to sweep this under the rug without confronting it, it will hurt the campaign even more

(names obscured so they don't hunt me down and get me kicked off)

657 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:56:57pm

re: #649 Killgore Trout

This story's already generating some heat.....
Neo-Nazi complains about Ron Paul's denial of ties to white supremacists

I feel a Drudgealanche coming on.

American Thinker has extensively covered the troubling links between Ron Paul's campaign and neo-Nazis. For our trouble we were blasted by some critics, and subjected to a torrent of abusive letters from Ron Paul supporters.

Ron Paul supporters sending abusive letters in "torrents?" I can't believe it.

658 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:57:01pm
659 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:57:08pm

re: #634 Storm'n Norm'n Nah, come on, that's not at all what blueeyedfool was talking about and you know it. Ron Paul honestly believes that the US should pull back from or out of international affairs.
Indeed, he starts by saying"Ron Paul is a strict isolationist who believes that as long as America leaves the rest of the world alone, the rest of the world will leave America alone as well." and ends with:
" I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country." THAT'S WHAT RON PAUL MEANS WHEN HE SAYS PULL UP THE DRAWBRIDGE and it's as ignorant, unintellectual and dangerous a positon of a man who is running for President of the United States could hold.

660 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:57:11pm

>Is Ron Paul a closet racist?

Of course he isn't. Nor is Pat Buchanan a "white" nationalist. Buchanan's a radical nationalist -- a thing that oughta trouble us for other reasons. This whole Ron Paul crap is a stretch and borderline embarrassing. I mean, shit, nail him on his terrible views on terrorists and what motivates them; nail him on archaic views of how the country can work; but don't pin this bullshit racial stuff on him.

661 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:57:53pm

Alright going to bed, Late here in the north east. Keep up the fight, We'll figure it out. still aint willing to vote for a one , of them.
Snowing, Later

662 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:57:57pm

re: #652 blueeyedfool

even then we waited until Japan destroyed our navy

No they didn't.

663 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:58:23pm

re: #652 blueeyedfool

I voted for Bush in 2000 and was strongly in support of the Iraq War when it began. I find the trajectory of my thought to follow a very similar path to Andrew Sullivan's.

.

So you're angry that you can't marry your gay partner?

664 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:58:26pm

From RonPaulForums.....
Neo-Nazis Say: Ron Paul is One of Us [PROBLEM!?]
Here come the Paulians!

665 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:58:52pm

Were "ifs" and "buts" cans of nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

666 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:58:53pm

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

Do you have a point?

667 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 9:59:55pm
668 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:00:21pm

"While we give Ron Paul credit for his philosophical ideals, politicians have the responsibility of making progress, and often, Ron Paul votes against making progress because, in his mind, the progress is not perfect," Mr. Toomey continued. "In these cases, although for very different reasons, Ron Paul is practically often aligned with the most left-wing Democrats, voting against important, albeit imperfect, pro-growth legislation. Ron Paul is, undoubtedly, ideologically committed to pro-growth limited-government policies, but his insistence on opposing all but the perfect means that under a Ron Paul presidency we might never get a chance to pursue the good too."
[Link: www.clubforgrowth.org...]

669 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:01:00pm

re: #650 Canadian Guy

By itself that would be a valid point. As a single droplet in a tidal wave of other evidence, it's not even worth a response.

They're not supposed to move the goal posts closer, but I'm not gonna tell 'em that.

ALL MOVING
PARTS, STAND
STILL,
R

670 Meremortal  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:01:12pm

re: #356 Get busy livin'

Very good footwork. Even though you didn't make a big score, keep that up. That's how big stories get hatched. I suggest you hand out a few bucks, a disposable camera and photos of Paul and the other major miscreants at the establishment and tell the help--"Keep your eyes open, I'll be back."

671 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:01:18pm

re: #664 Killgore Trout

From RonPaulForums.....
Neo-Nazis Say: Ron Paul is One of Us [PROBLEM!?]
Here come the Paulians!

Oh yeah. The ripples are spreading.

672 Killian Bundy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:01:23pm

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

We're NOT Neo-Nazis, we're PRO WHITE!

/gee, where else have I I heard that recently?

673 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:01:55pm
674 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:01:56pm

re: #644 Mich-again ACCK! My friend, PLEASE don't let him drag you down those sidestreets and alley ways.The essential Ron Paul is exactly what blueeyedfool said in his #570. Leave the rest of the World alone and they'll leave us alone.
And I know you know that's just bullshit.

675 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:02:31pm

From the Ron Paul forum:

That site is a neocons mouth piece. We should go on the offensive against those who would try to smear Ron Paul with misleading distortions.

If they want to play dirty, we should ask neocon supporters of bloodshed of Iraq war to declare that they do not support killing of Iraqi civilians and declare that they are not racists and explain why they support war against a country that did not attack us.

If they want controversy, we should give it to them.

676 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:02:36pm

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

Good job!

677 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:03:04pm

re: #663 Canadian Guy

Oh please. That you would immediately go there on this thread of all places reeks of hypocrisy.

678 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:04:29pm

re: #671 Charles

I might stay up a little extra late tonight to watch the fireworks.

679 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:04:35pm

re: #675 Charles

if they want controversy, we should give it to them.

OK then. Bring it on.

680 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:04:54pm

re: #633 Quodlibetarian

Well, I said I'd quit the discussion, but I've been Googling and thought other LGFers might be interested to see that another recent speaker at the Robert A. Taft Club was John Derbyshire of the National Review.

Who has endorsed Paul for President. Does that fact and endorsement suddenly result in Paul's linkage being improbable or yet another piece in the puzzle?

BTW - John Derbyshire, of the National Review, isn't an adequate shield or effort of deflection. Just as Paul is wrong, Derbyshire also is wrong. The US withdraws in on itself, and the world's problems - and ours will multiply, not disappear. Our enemies act on their own accord - not just in reaction to our policies and actions. (That's just one of the parts of geopolitics that Paul doesn't get.)

681 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:05:54pm
682 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:05:54pm

re: #680 Athos

The US withdraws in on itself, and the world's problems - and ours will multiply, not disappear.

True.

683 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:06:11pm

Jonah Goldberg, at the Corner:

....The Buckleyite position came to define mainstream American conservatism (and much of libertarianism) until the fall of the Berlin Wall. But a few rightist intellectuals dissented. The most famous was Murray Rothbard, a brilliant anarchist libertarian who saw in the Cold War a sweeping con job. The “blight of anti-Communism,” Rothbard tellingly wrote in the left-wing journal Ramparts, paved the way for a takeover of American conservatism by defenders of Truman’s “imperialist aggression.” The Cold War was merely a convenient justification for statism, the crushing of dissent, and war lust. Churchill, de Gaulle, and Khrushchev were equally “butchers.” Truman was the “butcher of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.” National Review had a “clerical fascist” tinge, while various hard-Left organs — such as the Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy — earned Rothbard’s support and membership.

Ron Paul is perhaps the most famous heir to the Rothbard tradition. He even has a portrait of Rothbard on his wall (that is, according to Wikipedia; Paul’s office declined to grant an interview for this piece). Paul claims to be the standard-bearer of a truer, more authentic conservatism. In debates he spins an odd historical interpretation in which the GOP has always succeeded when championing either withdrawal from foreign conflicts (Korea, Vietnam) or non-interventionism. Most analysts, on the other hand, will tell you the GOP’s advocacy of a strong defense has been a strength. Still, Paul claims that withdrawal not only from the U.N. (yippee!) but also from NATO, the WTO, NAFTA, and every “entangling alliance” (read: support for Israel, mutual-defense agreements, etc.) is the truly conservative position. When the Republican presidential candidates debated in South Carolina, he invoked Robert Taft’s opposition to NATO. Left out of Paul’s tale: Taft supported the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan, promised “100 percent support for the Chinese National government on Formosa,” advocated “occasional extensions . . . into Europe, Asia, and Africa,” and favored keeping six divisions in Europe, at least until the Europeans could defend themselves.

In the 1980s, as Reagan supported rollback, Paul favored roll-up. He wanted the U.S. to leave NATO and abandon Japan. On Grenada he was more nuanced, but he aimed his fire at Reagan’s decision not to seek a declaration of war from Congress (a frequent safe harbor from which Paul criticizes nearly every military engagement). In the foreword to A Foreign Policy of Freedom, a collection of Paul’s foreign-policy floor speeches, Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr. calls the Cold War and the War on Terror all part of the same “farce”; both were ruses to justify large government.

684 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:06:44pm

re: #660 wiles

>Is Ron Paul a closet racist?

Of course he isn't. Nor is Pat Buchanan a "white" nationalist. Buchanan's a radical nationalist -- a thing that oughta trouble us for other reasons. This whole Ron Paul crap is a stretch and borderline embarrassing. I mean, shit, nail him on his terrible views on terrorists and what motivates them; nail him on archaic views of how the country can work; but don't pin this bullshit racial stuff on him.

When Ron Paul accepts donations from Nazis and refuses to return the money even after his campaign is contacted by the AP, when he speaks to groups with questionable goals and when a prominent Nazi says he's met with Paul at a restaurant and there is circumstantial evidence that Paul has been at that restaurant then the puzzle starts to become a little clearer.

685 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:06:49pm
If they want controversy, we should give it to them.

Because sometimes taking money from nazis just isn't enough.

686 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:07:51pm
We should go on the offensive...

You mean they're not offensive enough already?

687 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:07:55pm

re: #675 Charles

Another one....

Maybe I'm the only one thinking this, and I'm a kook for even suggesting this, but maybe the elite in this country will pay off some neo nazi to assassinate Paul. That is, if those assassination allegiations are true. It's crazy world we live in, I wouldn't be suprised to see something like this go down. But then again, there's always the voting machines so they won't even resort to this scenario.


HA!

688 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:08:59pm

The biggest danger coming from the Ron Paul supporters and Paul himself is the idea that "they're over here because we're over there." Nothing exposes the skewed vision of the world as much as this does. To get bogged down with sideshows about who supports him and who sends him money (as important as this might be in ways) is missing a far greater and deadlier issue: does he see the world realistically. The answer is No.

689 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:09:50pm

re: #652 blueeyedfool

Are you saying that at this point in time a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would be less absurd than our present course under General Petraeus?

To repine about the past is seductive, but as adults we must face the reality that stares us in the face and deal with the task at hand. Even if we "broke" Iraq, we must "fix" it, in so far as "fixing" it is within our means. We cannot do that by withdrawing home to shores that can no longer remain isolated.

690 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:10:43pm

re: #672 Killian Bundy

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

We're NOT Neo-Nazis, we're PRO WHITE!

/gee, where else have I I heard that recently?

Hmmmm. It sounds familiar. Hmmmmm. (scratches chin)

691 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:11:19pm

re: #666 Mich-again

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

Do you have a point?

That was the Facebook thread. I just picked out some gems from it

692 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:11:30pm

Judging from our referrers page, late on a Wednesday evening, this post is really kicking up some dust.

693 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:12:20pm

re: #687 Killgore Trout

Double HA! As for Paul's isolationism and creed of leave 'em alone, I wonder what he would have thought in 1805 when Thomas Jefferson sent the first US Marines to the other side of the globe to take the battle to the Barbary pirates.

694 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:12:37pm

re: #684 Canadian Guy

With all due respect, you're sounding a lot like them. Conspiracy, hidden ties, covert intentions, ad nauseum.

It's what he openly says that ought to trouble us.

695 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:13:43pm

re: #694 wiles

Why can't it be both?

696 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:13:54pm
697 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:14:01pm

re: #677 blueeyedfool

re: #663 Canadian Guy

Oh please. That you would immediately go there on this thread of all places reeks of hypocrisy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Andrew Sullivan went anti-Bush after the gay marriage issue came to a boil, not because of Iraq.

698 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:14:21pm

re: #672 Killian Bundy

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

We're NOT Neo-Nazis, we're PRO WHITE!

/gee, where else have I I heard that recently?

Yeah, you caught that one too, didn't you?

699 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:14:29pm

re: #692 Charles
Another one from the RonPaulForum....

Who the fuck is this tool, and who wants to start the chip-in to sue him for libel.


Lawyer up!
/

700 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:15:09pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout

re: #671 Charles

I might stay up a little extra late tonight to watch the fireworks.

I'm making sandwiches and popcorn for this.

701 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:15:30pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Oh, Yeah ! Absolutely.
Stay up and beat on a few Christians,

Where good .at that !

Later

702 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:15:44pm
703 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:15:52pm

re: #689 ContraJihadi

What problem are we going to fix? How are you proposing we fix it?

704 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:16:06pm

The best spin award goes to ....

Remember, Christ dined with sinners. He took a bunch of heat for it from the religious leaders of His day.
705 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:16:42pm

re: #699 Killgore Trout

Discovery might be painful...

[Link: www.google.com...]

BATTERY
FIRE,
R

706 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:16:47pm

re: #527 Storm'n Norm'n

re: #514 Charles

Ok, Ban us, Even if where not voting for him. or anybody, else. we will sit this one out, much as last.
You deal with it.

Oh Lawd, Internet Tough Guy.

707 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:17:24pm

re: #695 Sharmuta

It can be both, though the emphasis should remain on what is without doubt: his ideas are a mess.

He's not a Jew-hater. He's not a racist. What he is is a libertarian, and thus he's not about to tell people -- particularly his supporters -- how they are to spend and donate their money.

708 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:18:16pm

re: #700 Canadian Guy

I'm making sandwiches and popcorn for this.


There;s a rumor there will be Christian bashing too. Sounds like big fun.

709 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:19:44pm

re: #707 wiles

He's not a Jew-hater. He's not a racist.

He just takes their money, and they want to claim him as their own. Why should this be off the table?

710 Orde  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:19:53pm

re: #672 Killian Bundy

re: #656 RememberSekhmet?

We're NOT Neo-Nazis, we're PRO WHITE!

/gee, where else have I I heard that recently?

and white is a metaphor!

711 fsjonesy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:20:25pm

re: #699 Killgore Trout

re: #692 Charles
Another one from the RonPaulForum....


Who the fuck is this tool, and who wants to start the chip-in to sue him for libel.


Lawyer up!
/

Here comes the RON PAUL INTERNET GESTAPO!

712 konservo  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:20:59pm

Here's a classic comment from the Ron Paul Forum:

Remember, Christ dined with sinners. He took a bunch of heat for it from the religious leaders of His day.
-CMoore

LOL, comparing !Ron Paul to Jesus! That's a devout Paulian.

713 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:21:07pm

re: #687 Killgore Trout

re: #675 Charles

Another one....


Maybe I'm the only one thinking this, and I'm a kook for even suggesting this, but maybe the elite in this country will pay off some neo nazi to assassinate Paul. .

HA!

And Paul is making it much easier for such a plot by accepting their invitations to speak at the their Thai banquets.

714 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:21:40pm

re: #707 wiles

He sure spends an impressively unpleasant amount of time entertaining Jew-haters and racists. Nice of you to agree that they are his supporters.

OWN
GOAL,
R

715 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:22:04pm

Ugh, they just locked us out of the RonPaul Forum. You now have to be registered to see the comments.

716 sheepdippeddog  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:22:05pm

Two Jews walk into a Thai restaurant ........wait for it...........Ron Paul

717 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:22:24pm
718 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:23:10pm

re: #717 song_and_dance_man

/Tag

719 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:23:20pm

re: #708 Killgore Trout

re: #700 Canadian Guy

I'm making sandwiches and popcorn for this.


There;s a rumor there will be Christian bashing too. Sounds like big fun.

Nobody expects the Ronulan Inquisition!


Think they'll bring a comfy chair?

720 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:23:23pm
721 jaunte  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:24:01pm

re: #707 wiles

What he is is a libertarian, and thus he's not about to tell people -- particularly his supporters -- how they are to spend and donate their money.

He follows the lesson to 'judge not, lest ye be judged' perfectly.

So he has bad (nonexistent) judgement.

722 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:24:12pm

New thread now posted -- no new info, but this one is getting very lengthy.

723 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:24:57pm

re: #709 Sharmuta

re: #707 wiles

He's not a Jew-hater. He's not a racist.

He just takes their money, and they want to claim him as their own. Why should this be off the table?

Keep it on the table if you want. I guess all I'm trying to say is that all that BS is going to be a lot harder to prove than the fact that the ideas that he daily betrays with regard to Islamism, foreign policy, and notions about "returning to the vision of the founders" are unrealistic and possibly deadly for Americans.

724 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:25:06pm

re: #720 song_and_dance_man

The referrers page is lit up like a Christmas tree with facebook links.

725 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:25:06pm

re: #715 Killgore Trout

Ugh, they just locked us out of the RonPaul Forum. You now have to be registered to see the comments.

We need a mole.

726 Meremortal  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:25:32pm

re: #529 Charles

re: #527 Storm'n Norm'n


re: #514 Charles

Ok, Ban us, Even if where not voting for him. or anybody, else. we will sit this one out, much as last.
You deal with it.


Ooh, scary.


---------------------------------------

The Paulbots seem prone to spelling problems. What's up with that?

727 Storm'n Norm'n  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:25:40pm

re: #706 fsjonesy

Thats not Internet tough, guy
but reality! Wantta bet on in !
We ain't voting, have fun with news candidates. Heard it all before.

Later, snowing up here.

728 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:25:41pm

re: #652 blueeyedfool You know, I'm beginning to think you actually believe what you say.
We give tons of money to Mushareef in Pakistan in an attempt (successful so far) to keep the jihadists from getting Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. We are fighting in Iraq for a number of reasons, but not the least of which is that a free, democratic and functioning Iraq, located where it is in the ME, would keep the jihadists (and the Mullahs and the military dictatorships and "Royalty" (e.g., Saudi Arabia) absolute fits and nightmares and make them pay attention to their own people - democracy just across the street does that to repressive regimes - see, e.g., The Soviet Union and it's Eastern European "satellites" that actually SAW how a functioning democracy in then West Germany, and France could provide another form of governement which would be better for the people.
The Taliban are yesterday's news and yesterday's news, which was just chock-a-block with dire warnings of yet another Taliban "Spring Offensive" was WRONG. And it ISN'T the Taliban or even the seemingly ubiquitous Al-Q that is a threat in Pakistan, it's those PAKISTANI'S who are Jihadists.
You never really answered any of my questions, just threw up a bunch of bullshit hoping some of it would stick. That or you believe your own propaganda, which would sadly be much worse.
If you were an honest debater here, you'd have addressed the issues I raised as a) b), c) and d) , preferably in the order in which I carefully laid them out. Instead you want to drag in China, the Cold War and other matters which I didn't ask you about and which are irrelevant to your stated "I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country." I'm through with you. You are intellectually dishonest and/ or ignorant of how to answer questions thoughtfully put to you in a way in which you could easily deal with each one.

729 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:26:06pm

re: #652 blueeyedfool

I find the trajectory of my thought to follow a very similar path to Andrew Sullivan's.

That does little for one's credibility.

How does letting Iraqis shoot at American troops make the situation in Pakistan any better? I'd like to remind you that our government gives billions of dollars in support to the Pakistan regime. Our government seems to think those guys with nukes are our friends.

Hmm. Pakistan is not a friend? They have provided us with overflight rights since October 2001. They have provided us access in order to resupply our forces and our allies in Afghanistan since October 2001. Despite the real risk of Civil War between Musharraf and the fanactics in Waziristan - he has permitted US attacks on Pakistani territory when there is actionable intelligence. Pakistani police have assisted or made some major arrests of AQ members and leaders - KSM was one of the more prominent - and turns many of them over the US. If he wasn't a friend, we would not have overflight or supply rights, we would have to worry about AQ Khan's bazzar still operating let alone islamofascists possibly being in control of usable nuclear weapons.

So again, how does borrowing half a trillion dollars from China to kill Syrians in Iraq make Jihadists less likely to take over Pakistan?

Non sequitor. You know not of what you talk about and are just spreading BS talking points here. China has these dollars because we buy their goods to sell here and elsewhere. China can't dump those dollars without cutting their own throats.

I'd like to remind you that the people responsible for 9/11 were Saudis living in Afghanistan and getting support from the Taliban -- the guys who seem to be taking over Pakistan while our troops die in Iraq.

Those Saudis had the direct assistance and protections of the Taliban in Afghanistan and by Waziristan tribes who embraced the salafist islamic viewpoints. This group declared war on the US in 1998 - and we ignored their declaration....until 9/11 woke many up. You still propose to ignore them? Ramzi Yousef, a leading jihadi on the 1993 WTC bombing travelled under an Iraqi passport. He, and an accomplice were welcomed back into Iraq after the attack. Yousef went on to work with his uncle (KSM) on the plot to bomb a dozen US airliners over the Pacific before being caught in Pakistan with the assistance of the Pakistani government. His accomplice was last seen in Iraq.

Also Iraq was a country that sponsored terrorism, facilitated terrorism, had multiple links with AQ dating to the mid-90's, started wars of aggression with it's neighbors, murdered a million of their own people - some with WMD, and ignored their international responsibility to proof they didn't have the WMD.

Here's a scenario for you - at what point do you do something when you can't run away.....and the person 6 feet in front of you tells you he will shoot you dead, and begins to assemble an semi-auto pistol? When he finishes the slide / barrel assembly? When he loads the magazine? When he cocks the pistol? When he releases the safety? When he points it to your forehead?

Ron Paul's policy is to just close his eyes and ignore the guy hoping the guy will go away.

You ain't worth more fisking.

730 Charles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:26:45pm

The Kos Kidz are now jumping on it:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

731 Canadian Guy  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:26:54pm

re: #715 Killgore Trout

Ugh, they just locked us out of the RonPaul Forum. You now have to be registered to see the comments.

That's act is unconstitutional.

So much for more rights.

732 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:27:39pm

re: #727 Storm'n Norm'n

I thought you were leaving for bed awhile ago- I find this tactic disingenuous. If you're going to leave, then do so. If you're not, then quit posting you are, people!

733 RJ77  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:27:57pm

Haha, it would be hilarious if his support increased now.

734 wiles  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:27:59pm

>all that BS is going to be a lot harder to prove

Well, maybe I'm wrong there, it might not be hard to prove. But it surely will be hard to make a case out of it. But maybe I'm wrong. I mean, if a real case can be made and verified that the guy is hanging with white racist pricks, then by all means nail him for it.

735 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:30:49pm

re: #729 Athos

It should be pretty clear to you by now that I have little interest in currying your favor by parroting your positions. I will speak my mind and try to influence the direction of this country for the better in what little ways I can.

I imagine you will do so too -- in your own way. May the best ideas win.

736 ContraJihadi  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:34:00pm

re: #658 song_and_dance_man

I am not entirely sure I accept or even understand your either/or dichotomy. If the "others" on LGF are as vigilant as Charles, would they not be able to discern between arguments which (although they disagree with them) they could recognize as having been put forth in good faith, as against those which are totally specious?

But perhaps, more eager to rebuke the heathen, you are cautioning me against an excess of tolerance. If Charles should agree with you, then so be it. Although I have failed to persuade you, I can still hope that I might persuade him.

737 gman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:35:16pm

re: #735 blueeyedfool

re: #729 Athos

It should be pretty clear to you by now that I have little interest in currying your favor by parroting your positions. I will speak my mind and try to influence the direction of this country for the better in what little ways I can.

I imagine you will do so too -- in your own way. May the best ideas win.

You're getting a little cocky now that you know your buddies can see what you're posting, but we can't see their posts. Cowardice epitomized.

738 Render  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:35:29pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

15 yards - unsportsmanlike conduct.

YELLOW
FLAG,
R

739 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:36:32pm

re: #735 blueeyedfool

re: #729 Athos

It should be pretty clear to you by now that I have little interest in currying your favor by parroting your positions. I will speak my mind and try to influence the direction of this country for the better in what little ways I can.

I imagine you will do so too -- in your own way. May the best ideas win.

What a cogent, logical, and factual rebuttal to support your claims talking points......Not.

I figured one last attempt after your trolling yesterday - but its clear you have no rebuttal just more trolling. You couldn't have provided a better answer.

740 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:37:43pm

re: #731 Canadian Guy

re: #715 Killgore Trout


Ugh, they just locked us out of the RonPaul Forum. You now have to be registered to see the comments.

That's act is unconstitutional.

So much for more rights.


Tolerance is only for those who think like them.

741 kentGO  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:38:00pm

re: #652 blueeyedfool

re: #615 realwest

I find the trajectory of my thought to follow a very similar path to Andrew Sullivan's.

Sorry to hear about the severe head trauma.

742 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:38:26pm

re: #729 Athos My friend, please see my #728; blueeyedfool doesn't seek honest debate or discussion, especially when he has no answers - honest or otherwise - for questions carefully laid out for him in response to statements he made. Indeed, he totally ignored the ignorant statement he made when "addressing" my comment and went off on yet another tangent. As I said, he is intellectually dishonest and disingenuous; if he can't cough up canned answers or statements to questions, he just throws up the canned crap anyway.
It's no wonder Charles is thinking of banning the Paulians; they throw up all over the place!
Have a good night my friend, and I hope to see you tomorrow.

743 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:39:33pm

re: #737 gman

It's interesting how they keep running the exact same 'evidence' to support their claims regardless of the questions posed.

Definition of an morally and intellectually bankrupt ideologue who only will see what they want to believe.

744 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:39:37pm

re: #735 blueeyedfool

Isolationism is morally wrong- period. If that's your idea of bettering America- I think you should reread some history books.

745 Athos  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:41:38pm

re: #742 realwest

'Fool' did the same yesterday as well. Always give the trolls one last attempt to be intellectually honest, I say. They almost never take it, but then the ridicule is their own fault.

Thanks for advice. Good night, talk to you tomorrow.

746 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:43:47pm
747 realwest  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:43:50pm

re: #744 Sharmuta Sharm - that's making what is clearly an incorrect assumption; that blueeyedfool has ever read A history book.
Oh and if you're staying up a while, you might hold his feet to the fire of my #728 and Athos #729.

"I love the smell of toasting tootsies in the morning......they smell like victory!" LOL!
Have a good night Sharmuta.

748 gman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:45:46pm

re: #715 Killgore Trout

Ugh, they just locked us out of the RonPaul Forum. You now have to be registered to see the comments.


Maybe we can scare the Paulians away from the site by talking about our LGF spooky unmarked helicopter and the dreaded Area 53, which we usually refer to as "Bride Swamp" in hushed circles.

749 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:45:51pm
750 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:51:22pm

re: #747 realwest

I guess we all have our own ways of dealing with trolls and mobys.

You have a nice night yourself, realwest.

751 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:53:02pm

Ron Paul! He doesn't hang with twoofers!

/and piss on that guy for using one of my all time favorite songs as an intro

752 Dotcoman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:57:33pm

re: #210 Lucius Septimius

re: #205 Steffan

re: #17 blutonazi98

i hate seeing gelflings and lesbians ride UFOs into congress and use their alien powers to control the government


blutonazi, Admiral
Little Green Football Navy

/if LGF has a navy. if not i just created it and made myself an admiral.

So blow ye winds, yo ho,
A rovin' we will go....

:)

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot,
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We kindle and char, inflame and ignite,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We burn up the city, we're really a fright,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We're rascals, scoundrels, villans, and knaves,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We're beggars and blighters, ne'er-do-well cads,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.....

:p

Part of the crew; part of the ship ...

Aaargh! I mean, so say we all!

753 Dotcoman  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 10:58:56pm

re: #751 Slumbering Behemoth

Yep, yep. Them boys sure could sing into a can, huh.

754 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:14:36pm

re: #753 Dotcoman

Hyup, hyup, they sure 'nuff do. Funny thing is, I'm a die hard metal fan, never had an appreciation for blue grass until I heard that song. It gave me goose flesh, which is about the only criteria for music that means anything to me.

Charles does some mighty fine posting in that regard, and those posts have been a real eye opener. Still, I don't know squat about blue grass other than the fact that I like the stuff that gives me goose flesh.

755 blueeyedfool  Wed, Dec 19, 2007 11:57:44pm

re: #728 realwest

re: #652 blueeyedfool You know, I'm beginning to think you actually believe what you say.
We give tons of money to Mushareef in Pakistan in an attempt (successful so far) to keep the jihadists from getting Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. We are fighting in Iraq for a number of reasons, but not the least of which is that a free, democratic and functioning Iraq, located where it is in the ME, would keep the jihadists (and the Mullahs and the military dictatorships and "Royalty" (e.g., Saudi Arabia) absolute fits and nightmares and make them pay attention to their own people - democracy just across the street does that to repressive regimes - see, e.g., The Soviet Union and it's Eastern European "satellites" that actually SAW how a functioning democracy in then West Germany, and France could provide another form of governement which would be better for the people.
The Taliban are yesterday's news and yesterday's news, which was just chock-a-block with dire warnings of yet another Taliban "Spring Offensive" was WRONG. And it ISN'T the Taliban or even the seemingly ubiquitous Al-Q that is a threat in Pakistan, it's those PAKISTANI'S who are Jihadists.
You never really answered any of my questions, just threw up a bunch of bullshit hoping some of it would stick. That or you believe your own propaganda, which would sadly be much worse.
If you were an honest debater here, you'd have addressed the issues I raised as a) b), c) and d) , preferably in the order in which I carefully laid them out. Instead you want to drag in China, the Cold War and other matters which I didn't ask you about and which are irrelevant to your stated "I am no longer afraid that a few thousand people who can barely afford shoes ten thousand miles away threatens the very existence of our country." I'm through with you. You are intellectually dishonest and/ or ignorant of how to answer questions thoughtfully put to you in a way in which you could easily deal with each one.

The problem is that you seem to follow the logic that because we face problems in other parts of the world, we therefore need to spend hundreds of billions of dollars letting insurgents kill our troops in Iraq every year.

a) If the biggest threat is Jihadists about to take over Pakistan, why are we wasting so much money accomplishing so little in Iraq? These are not the same places or battles.

b) Iran talks a lot. They may or may not be dangerous to us. What does that have to do with Iraq?

c) At what point would you be willing to say that the threat from Al Qaeda is overblown? Al Qaeda may or may not be trying to get nuclear weapons. Can you tell me how spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year in Iraq makes Al Qaeda less likely to take over Pakistan and get nuclear weapons?

d) Why does spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq every year make "free lance" Jihadists less likely to blow something up in Thailand or Indonesia?

If you were actually, honestly worried about a, b, c, or d, you would be vocal about demanding we allocate less resources towards Iraq and more towards those problems.

756 jcr  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:31:57am

re: #626 Charles

re: #574 jcr

You're revealing yourself quite nicely.

Charles,

If you're trying to insinuate that I have any sympathies with the nazis, you are not only dead wrong, you're being gratuitously offensive.

-jcr

757 jcr  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:33:17am

re: #730 Charles

The Kos Kidz are now jumping on it:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Gee, you and Kos are on the same page. Didn't you say something a while back about how something like that should prompt you to reconsider your position?

-jcr

758 Render  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:40:15am

re: #755 blueeyedfool

This is my chainsaw...

===

Fool - “The problem is that you seem to follow the logic that because we face problems in other parts of the world, we therefore need to spend hundreds of billions of dollars letting insurgents kill our troops in Iraq every year.”

R - That’s just weak when our military is winning on every front it’s engaged on.

Fool - “a) If the biggest threat is Jihadists about to take over Pakistan, why are we wasting so much money accomplishing so little in Iraq? These are not the same places or battles.”

R – Mushies still got game and a fistful of US dollars to back him. Did you miss that part about the Surge being successful? Of course they are not the same places or battles, but they are very definitely part of the same war.

Fool -“b) Iran talks a lot. They may or may not be dangerous to us. What does that have to do with Iraq?”

R – You do know that Iran and Iraq share a very long border, right?

Fool - “c) At what point would you be willing to say that the threat from Al Qaeda is overblown? Al Qaeda may or may not be trying to get nuclear weapons. Can you tell me how spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year in Iraq makes Al Qaeda less likely to take over Pakistan and get nuclear weapons?”

R – When the war is over. Of course they are they’ve been saying that for six years or more. Al-Q has expended tens of thousands of their best, most loyal jihadists and most capable combat leaders to be slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan. How can this be a bad thing? How does the landing at Tarawa equate to the D-Day landings?

Fool -“d) Why does spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq every year make "free lance" Jihadists less likely to blow something up in Thailand or Indonesia?”

R – Indonesian Al-Q members have been killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I’m not sure if Thai Al-Q members have, as their version of Al-Q doesn’t seem to be quite as “advanced” or connected enough, but it is both possible and likely.

Fool - “If you were actually, honestly worried about a, b, c, or d, you would be vocal about demanding we allocate less resources towards Iraq and more towards those problems.”

R – This might come as a surprise, but I think the Pentagon has the resource allocation thing worked out about as well as it can be under the current logistical and geographic constraints of the various fronts in question...don’t you?

SSSSH,
R

759 Icculus  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:43:08am

So it looks like the "Commander" has been (at least temporarily) BANNED!

760 Render  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:43:40am

re: #757 jcr

Just wait until the Code Pink KosKidz wake up in the afternoon.

SPARKS
FLY
UPWARD,
R

761 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 2:27:02am

re: #689 ContraJihadi

re: #652 blueeyedfool

Are you saying that at this point in time a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would be less absurd than our present course under General Petraeus?

To repine about the past is seductive, but as adults we must face the reality that stares us in the face and deal with the task at hand...

Ronulans have and want nothing to do with reality. Their fantasy is all that matters. Clozapine and thorazine, stat please!

762 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 2:28:27am

re: #756 jcr

re: #626 Charles


re: #574 jcr

You're revealing yourself quite nicely.

Charles,

If you're trying to insinuate that I have any sympathies with the nazis, you are not only dead wrong, you're being gratuitously offensive.

-jcr

You are consistent. Consistently clueless.

763 Dales  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 4:09:53am

Charles,

If you would, please email me regarding this subject. I may have something, but I could use your expertise and creativity.

764 Apache30  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 4:11:36am

Charles dropping the Ban Hammer on the Paulbot morons that managed to slither in would be a Good Thing; they have proven, without a doubt, to be as full of sh*t as their Glorius Leader.

765 bianchi_roadie  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 4:41:38am

re: #20 Lucius Septimius

Sounds strange. I've been to Tara Thai a couple of times (mainstream Thai food). It's in Pentagon City, just a short walk from the mall there (and metro stop). I've only been there on weekends though (don't go around there often). It would be easy for someone working in DC to get there either by driving or metro (easiest). It is fairly big if I remember, so it wouldn't be hard to have a gathering there. I don't know if they have private dining though. A meeting like that in a very busy area (lots of clubs/bars and apartment buildings around there) would be noticed. It's fairly diverse there too - hard to think a white power meeting would go unnoticed there.

Very odd that white supremists would be big fans of Thai food, but who knows?

766 -=@$$=-  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 4:55:22am

alright, it's like this:

BILL WHITE LIES.

i don't know if he's lying about this specificly, but it's precisely the sort of thing he's prone to lie about. that is, it has the effect of making his band of a half-dozen cranks seem like they have pull with a national figure . a couple years ago he attempted to insinuate himself into a situation involving the freedomfolks and the chicago minuteman project using similar projection of imaginary gravitas, claiming that the chicago chapter of the nsm (of which there is no such thing) was seeking a protest permit to march on behalf of the freedomfolks (whom he reconstructed in his propaganda as a "little old lady who was beaten up").


DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THIS FOOL SAYS.

767 -=@$$=-  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 4:59:40am

oh, and btw, bill white's last recorded political contribution was to his local democrat committee.

he's a former anarchist, persistent socialist, and one who still believes in the maxim, "no truth but revolutionary truth", even if he's lying on behalf of "white" revolution now.

768 gonecamping  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 5:00:41am

re: #28 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Been a long time since I heard a referral to the Foo Bird.

769 -=@$$=-  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 5:04:09am

#141

"I think there's a 50/50 chance that this is a put-on."

i'd go 99/1

770 -=@$$=-  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 5:19:37am

#730 Charles

"The Kos Kidz are now jumping on it:"

of course they are.

they probably caught it while "monitoring" lgf.

and your "corroboration" links to the splcenter, which is basicly the media matters
clearinghouse for baseless "republicans=nazis" smears. they listed david horowitz as a "hate group".

771 sick of it all  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:07:40am

re: #36 Lucius Septimius

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #21 sick of it all

a source from a forum? and a from the "commander" of the nationalist socialist worker party...

are you now going to claim Ron Paul is a socialist too?

Do you even know the difference between the various socialists? Fascism is socialism as is Communism.

They all hate individual liberty.

Yes ma'am. Indeed they do.

Yes they do fortunately Paul is not one of them, now a collectivist like Bush seems to hate individual liberty, much like most christians and all neo cons.
the patriot act and fcc(under the bush admin) are tow very clear examples on an assault on our indvidual liberty...

772 Owl  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:08:13am

Mornin' ddters. well, well. . . . . . Ron Paul is a white power leader and LGF has ads. What a difference a day makes.

yeah, 48 rule on RP being a skinhead supporter, but the ads......you gotta do what you gotta do to keep the lights on. I know that's just a fact. Besides, the neon gives the Lizard cave a nice red and greenish glow. :)

/*waves to Lizard Land....looks around for the mornin' crew members....thinks of wishing everyone( that cares) Merry Christmas...

773 Owl  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:12:27am
now a collectivist like Bush seems to hate individual liberty, much like most christians and all neo cons.


I see we have a nice mix of distortions and insanity goin' this mornin' as well.

The mere writing of something as absurd as " most Christians " hating individual liberty confirms what I already thought about the poster's intentions and beliefs.

idiotic, misguided, ignorant, malicious or just stupid. you decide.

774 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:21:10am

If Ron Paul is America's only hope we are really in sad shape.

His supporters prove it even more.

775 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 7:27:50am

I could say something about all of this--but I won't.

....for now.

heh.

~Norsk Troll

776 ErikTheRed  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 8:13:37am

re: #70 onyxraven1979

Spectacular comment.

777 Kirly  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 8:16:07am

re: #763 Dales

Charles,

If you would, please email me regarding this subject. I may have something, but I could use your expertise and creativity.

There is an email link on every LGF page. perhaps you could just use that.

778 han_solo  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 8:21:29am

Actually after watching Ron Paul on Glenn Beck the other night, I think I could vote for him.

Right now I am a Thompson supporter. I have been waiting for Fred Thompson to run for president ever sense he got into politics in my neighbor state of TN.

But, really if Paul ran, I would vote for him.

It IS ABOUT TIME for a libertarian philosophy transfusion for the Republican Party. We have totally lost our way from Goldwater principles.

Yes, libertarian ideals are really more suited for mostly domestic policies, but it does seem that Ron Paul believes that one the few TRUE PURPOSES of the federal government is defense. He is a little naive on foreign policy, but a good staff could help that out.

We need someone to sell libertarian/TRUE conservative ideas to the public again, they have forgotten what the alternative to socialism really actually looks like.

The only choices in the last few decades have been:
Dems = Socialists
Rep = Socialists + Strong Defense

I am tired of these socialist big spender republicans, we have not had a true conservative in office since Newt Gingrich.

779 sultan_knish  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 8:34:53am

From Bill White on his org's Yahoo group

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

780 sultan_knish  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 8:39:37am

"Adolf Eichman" on Bill White's forum supports Ron Paul

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

781 sultan_knish  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 8:52:59am

"If Ron Paul doesn't win... there might be blood in the streets"

"This is one of the few times I think that supporters are actually defining a candidate's positions and who that candidate is"

"I talked to Bill White and we do support (Ron Paul), but we're not coming out officially..."

"This is going to fester into real revolution"

"It's refreshing to see these youngsters and they're the ones coming up with propaganda for the campaign."

"I worked in the Buchanan campaign back in 92... but they were not as organized as these kids are...we're about to see something here."

from the Kentucky ANSWP website radio show

[Link: kentuckyanswp.wordpress.com...]

782 Charles  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 9:09:08am

re: #775 EtNorskTroll

I could say something about all of this--but I won't.

....for now.

heh.

~Norsk Troll

I stopped caring what you have to say about anything quite a while ago. You've shown yourself to be another two-faced backstabber, and if you had any self-respect, you wouldn't show yourself here any more.

783 BabbaZee  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 9:29:47am

Bam!

784 withaknow  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 9:34:07am

I've been an LGF fan for a long time... but this is crossing the line Charles. This is nothing short of a smear against a man who has consistently said he unequivocally abhors the idea of white supremacy. Please stick to what you're best at, Charles, and that's discussing American policy towards the Middle East.

785 Charles  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 9:51:13am

Another Ron Paulian shows up in a dead thread, claiming to be a longtime LGF fan who is suddenly disgusted with me. That's about the 30th time they've pulled this one, and the schtick is really getting tiresome.

786 TheTeflonMaster  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 9:54:12am

Embarrassing that LGF has to use an obvious as day troll posting as evidence to get back at Ron Paul. How about we stop focusing on the fantasy of him being a white supremacist, we focus on how his self destructive libertarian policies will destroy our country. Lets start using brains and not make shit up. I hope Charles will post a retraction.

787 BabbaZee  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 9:56:20am

re: #785 Charles

Don't look now.....

rotff

788 Charles  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:08:48am

This must be the tactic they decided on, after closing the forum last night.

789 pat  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:24:30am

Well, this was a fun thread. So it pulled itself together for another go, eh?

790 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:34:51am

re: #754 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh I hear you there, Slumbering Behemoth.
IMHO, the Coen brothers put together a lot of really good music for that movie. In fact, I read they researched the music and put it all together first.

A few of them are down right scary.
Like Emmylou Harris, Alison Krauss and Gillian Welch singing "Didn't Leave Nobody But The Baby"
or Ralph Stanly singing "O Death"
or Alison Krauss's singing of "Down To The River To Pray"

Of course the imagery of the movie didn't exactly help to introduce one to the music and and not get that spooky feeling.

Still hate George Clooney though. Seeing him get smacked by the Cyclops with a tree branch was worth sitting through the rest of what it is he does in lieu of acting.

791 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:38:34am

Oh, and I was going to say that I thought that the movie; Maggie Greenwald's ''Songcatcher'' had some pretty darn good music in it too.

792 Killian Bundy  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:40:33am

re: #784 withaknow

re: #786 TheTeflonMaster

Gee, a whole 16 comments between the two of you. Well, how do you explain this (link at top of thread):

The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va.

The source is the Southern Poverty Law Center, you know, Morris Dees, the one's who successfully sued the KKK out of their headquarters. Unlike you two, they have earned credibility.

/buy the way, Ron Paul is a political gadfly who will, once again, be totally irrelevant in a matter of months, mark Feb. 5th on your calendars

793 Canadian Guy  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:40:40am

re: #779 sultan_knish

From Bill White on his org's Yahoo group

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

Bump

794 Canadian Guy  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:45:02am

re: #788 Charles

This must be the tactic they decided on, after closing the forum last night.

Or they got a signal from the blimp.

795 Thanos  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:53:35am

re: #784 withaknow

Charles is reporting facts
Facts:

Ron Paul will accept donations, support, and speak to extremist fringe groups from all sides of the political spectrum. These fringe groups appear to be his base.

1. Troofers
2. White supremacist groups
3. Gold standard / IRS dodging loons (some of whom are under investigation for breaking laws.)
4. Code Pink/ ANSWER types.
5. Anti-Israel groups

Try to refute that.

796 Han_Solo  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:56:12am

>Another Ron Paulian shows up in a dead thread, claiming to be a longtime
>LGF fan who is suddenly disgusted with me.

Sorry..but as a "real" long time member/reader I have to agree that maybe this is a little bit too much on the rumor side to post. Oh well.

797 Han_Solo  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 10:59:14am

re: #795 Thanos

>try to refute that


Maybe its 'smart' to take money from just about everywhere its legal.

There is no way a candidate with such staunch traditionally conservative ideas will get support from todays Big Government/big spending/socialist lite(tm) GOP leadership.

798 Charles  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:01:52am

Skinheads at a Ron Paul rally in Philly:

799 Thanos  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:02:29am

What rumors? You see he spoke to a nativist organization (Robert Taft Club.) You see he accepted donations from white supremacists and refuses to return it. We see that the chairman of his Virginia campaign is anti-Israel, and appears to be pro-muslim.
You see a statement by a white supremacist that attempts to out him by putting him at meetings with Pat Buchanan and other nativists.

We all see the same evidence, people can make up their own minds.

800 sultan_knish  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:07:14am

re: #797 Han_Solo

re: #795 Thanos

>try to refute that


Maybe its 'smart' to take money from just about everywhere its legal.

There is no way a candidate with such staunch traditionally conservative ideas will get support from todays Big Government/big spending/socialist lite(tm) GOP leadership.

Why stop at where it's legal? If you take money from anywhere regardless of whether it's moral or ethical, you might as well take it from the Mafia too. I bet the Mob would love to see Ron Paul take apart Federal law enforcement

801 Killian Bundy  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:09:41am

re: #798 Charles

I wonder if all that money he's collected is "sound money"?

/you know, gold and silver, none of that phony paper stuff

802 Thanos  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:14:05am

re: #797 Han_Solo

re: #795 Thanos

>try to refute that


Maybe its 'smart' to take money from just about everywhere its legal.

There is no way a candidate with such staunch traditionally conservative ideas will get support from todays Big Government/big spending/socialist lite(tm) GOP leadership.

No, it's not smart. Politicians in particular can be judged and must be judged by their associations and supporters. Just as it's important to note Hillary's donations from Hsu and a variety of other questionable donors, and her support from immigration PACs, so it is important to know who are the groups behind any candidate.

803 Charles  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:25:25am

Remember -- there's a fine line between stupid and clever.

804 VetteMan  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:40:09am

re: #795 Thanos


1. Troofers
2. White supremacist groups
3. Gold standard / IRS dodging loons (some of whom are under investigation for breaking laws.)
4. Code Pink/ ANSWER types.
5. Anti-Israel groups

Add in anarchists to the group as well.

Considering that Ron Paul consistently has about 4-5% national support in polls, take away those fringe groups above, and how much of that 4-5% national support is left? Not much at all.

It seems that Ron Paul's national support is directly tied to the same percentage of Americans that these groups make up.

805 Josephine  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:48:12am

re: #359 DoubleU

re: #34 MandyManners


Do you even know the difference between the various socialists? Fascism is socialism as is Communism. They all hate individual liberty.


There is no difference between a socialist and a communist.

There is a difference between socialism and communism:
Communism is government enslavement by force.
Socialism is government enslavement by vote.

Socialism is imperfect communism. Perfect communism has not yet been achieved. The end result of perfect communism is utopia.

(At least that's what they told me in college.)

806 Athos  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:57:32am

re: #794 Canadian Guy

re: #788 Charles


This must be the tactic they decided on, after closing the forum last night.

Or they got a signal from the blimp zeppelin.
807 hazzyday  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 11:57:34am

Ron Paul likes to leave the dinner table and go out in the alley and roll around in the trash to show his support for garbage. Then he comes back to dinner like nothing happened but he smells different. His supporters can't tell the difference. They are too vested in their client to ask the tougher questions.

Taft Club.... WN meetings. It means he is listening to these people seriously. Given the rabid nature of the average ron paul poll spammer and thread jacker, I by all means believe Ron Paul would "secretly" entertain WN types. The end justifys his means.

808 maddogg  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:10:05pm

Holy shit, Ethel, where's the Paulbaticide?

809 yochanan  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:18:51pm

re: #803 Charles

I would say the paulettes are way past that line
RON PAUL Y.A.A.F.M.

810 saltmarsh  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:25:29pm

re: #778 han_solo

Actually after watching Ron Paul on Glenn Beck the other night, I think I could vote for him.

Right now I am a Thompson supporter. I have been waiting for Fred Thompson to run for president ever sense he got into politics in my neighbor state of TN.

But, really if Paul ran, I would vote for him.

It IS ABOUT TIME for a libertarian philosophy transfusion for the Republican Party. We have totally lost our way from Goldwater principles.

Ron Paul is a dangerous fucking idiot, and if you believe half the shit he's advocating, kindly get back on the short bus and buckle up.

Yes, libertarian ideals are really more suited for mostly domestic policies, but it does seem that Ron Paul believes that one the few TRUE PURPOSES of the federal government is defense. He is a little naive on foreign policy, but a good staff could help that out.

We need someone to sell libertarian/TRUE conservative ideas to the public again, they have forgotten what the alternative to socialism really actually looks like.

The only choices in the last few decades have been:
Dems = Socialists
Rep = Socialists + Strong Defense

I am tired of these socialist big spender republicans, we have not had a true conservative in office since Newt Gingrich.

811 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 12:49:41pm

re: #778 han_solo

Actually after watching Ron Paul on Glenn Beck the other night, I think I could vote for him.

Right now I am a Thompson supporter. I have been waiting for Fred Thompson to run for president ever sense he got into politics in my neighbor state of TN.

But, really if Paul ran, I would vote for him.

It IS ABOUT TIME for a libertarian philosophy transfusion for the Republican Party. We have totally lost our way from Goldwater principles.

Yes, libertarian ideals are really more suited for mostly domestic policies, but it does seem that Ron Paul believes that one the few TRUE PURPOSES of the federal government is defense. He is a little naive on foreign policy, but a good staff could help that out.

We need someone to sell libertarian/TRUE conservative ideas to the public again, they have forgotten what the alternative to socialism really actually looks like.

The only choices in the last few decades have been:
Dems = Socialists
Rep = Socialists + Strong Defense

I am tired of these socialist big spender republicans, we have not had a true conservative in office since Newt Gingrich.

A little Naive on foreign policy?
Man, you really need to go over to the Wednesday Overnight thread and look for comment #155 a poster named Egfrow, had some choice words and a quote from Ayn Rand to disabuse you of those Libertarian being any sort of "TRUE conservative" notions.

812 -=@$$=-  Thu, Dec 20, 2007 6:54:05pm

#798 Charles

so, you linked approvingly to an anarchist video.

so, the anarchists are pro-israel hawks following the formulation of your grotesque smear.

813 pcalver  Sat, Dec 22, 2007 3:07:33pm

Clicked around on the Southern Poverty Law page that was referenced, and saw that the Team American PAC has been hacked and pwned:
Hacked Team America PAC site


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