Bastards. We said it all in the DT.

Most awful. May they get it through their thick heads that this cult to which they belong is evil.

Well I'm not going to blame Hillary for this.

some one on the news said that this is going on because alqueda wants to take over and have a home base that already has nukes. that makes sense.

I just heard about this, ROPMA!

Things are going to get VERY interesting soon, wonder what President Bush is going to say/do about this?

Wasn't she "friendly" to us in regards to opening up Pakistan to hunting down OBL and other AQ heads?

Now the cult of revenge. And riotiing. And rage.

May she rest in peace. I wish I knew how to fix their backwards misogynistic culture. Peacefully, of course.

the corespondent also said the usa won't have to do much if things get bad because India will, lets hope!

Cheney.

The Black Hand.

Cicci! A porte!

And I was commenting yesterday how the security forces were doing a good job. Maybe they weren't. Or maybe now they've done their best work?

America's "allies" in the GWOT: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

secure the nukes ASAP

re: #5 Striker

I just heard about this, ROPMA!

Things are going to get VERY interesting soon, wonder what President Bush is going to say/do about this?

Wasn't she "friendly" to us in regards to opening up Pakistan to hunting down OBL and other AQ heads?

CNBC was implying that Bush put her up to this ill-advised attempt to return to Pak and run for office. So you see where this is headed and whose fault it really is?

re: #4 Teacake!

some one on the news said that this is going on because alqueda wants to take over and have a home base that already has nukes. that makes sense.

It's also old news. They want a Caliphate with Saudi money and Paki nukes.

A very tragic occurence and deepest condolences to her family and supporters. This will upset the tulip cart even more.

re: #4 Teacake!

some one on the news said that this is going on because alqueda wants to take over and have a home base that already has nukes. that makes sense.

India will turn it into a smoking wasteland before that could happen.

Boy, that deal with the islamic supremacists has worked out just great - for the terrorists. Maybe it's time to kill them all, Pervez. Just a suggestion.

re: #8 Teacake!

the corespondent also said the usa won't have to do much if things get bad because India will, lets hope!

That sounds too much like sitting on our butts waiting for Israel to take care of Iran for us.

The AFP story reminds us:
[Link: www.afp.com...]

There have been more than 40 suicide attacks in Pakistan this year that have left at least

770 people dead.

She was also the first women to lead a Muslim country. Will she be also the last?

She was probably the last best hope of having anyone other than a military-backed strongman in charge of nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Back in the 70's her dad was a piece of work.

If civil war does break out...I hope Musharrafs government has a way of turning "off" the nukes.

Bhutto put herself in extreme danger from the moment she stepped back in Pakistan. Her enemies would not tolerate her presence, and the Islamists would seek to kill her because she had the audacity to think that a woman's place was anywhere but hidden behind the burkha and never to be seen doing anything more than serving her husband.

Both groups of people (and there were commonalities between the two - they aren't mutually exclusive) are going to try and take advantage of the situation.

Throw in the fact that Sharif's followers came under attack today as well, and you've got a recipe for disaster. Musharraf is ill-prepared to deal with this crisis, as his waffling ways have helped encourage the Islamists. Sure, one can point to his occasional crackdowns, but it's the appeasement that gives the Islamists hope that they can take down the government and replace it with an Islamist regime.

More here.

re: #12 tommylotto

secure the nukes ASAP

Yikes. You're right! Oh brother.

Somewhere, ( Ann Coulter? ) i read negative things about MRs Bhutto. Like she was a quasi commi socialist and that Musharraf for all his faults was actully holding things together.

Told you so.

/she should have stayed gone

I see the headlines: "World Rocked"

Hello? Islamists do this every single day. I hope the "world" wakes up and sees that Islam is trying to murder innocents...female or male...Head of State or bus driver. People are targeted day in and day out.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

BACKROUNDER,
R

re: #21 resize

If civil war does break out...I hope Musharrafs government has a way of turning "off" the nukes.

Post 9/11 and before the US moved in Afghanistan, China offered to safeguard the Paki nukes, as a sort of neutral third party.

My heart is bleeding...

It's just little old Islam.

Where women are only worth half of a man, so you need to blow them in half to demonstrate it when they get uppity.

But no one in the MSM will condemn the paranoid warlord pedophile's teachings or example.

It must be something, anything BUT Islam.

Let the excusology machines start humming.

When does "all hell" start to break loose in Pakistan? My money is on Monday. [grim wager]

This exposes Pakistan in all its glory. A failed state, which back in 1954 was on a par with Taiwan. Look where we are 54 years on. Taiwan is a wealthy and progressive Westernised country, whilst Pakistan is a semiliterate Islamic craphole with open sewers, a 30% literacy rate, overrun with savages who'll do this sort of thing with no regrets - and much more worryingly - armed with nukes. And why? You've guessed: Islam! Those who can plan and do this sort of thing to Benazir Bhutto wouldn't baulk at eliminating 6 million Israelis, 7 million Londoners, 17 million New Yorkers, or Calcutta's 18 million residents if they had the chance. Lets be in no doubt as to what gets taught in the madrassahs. The pro-Jihad press in Pakistan wanted this to happen just as the pro-Nazi press in Germany wanted the Reichstag to go up in flames. But Bhutto's killers represent something far worse and much darker than Nazism or Communism. They represent the new wannabe order in Pakistan, then the world. The repercussions of this atrocity will reverberate right across the Muslim world. Islamic Intolerance is on the march, yet intellectually paralysed by 40 years of political correctness, we dare not call a spade a spade. We dare not expose Islam for what it is, lest we get accused of racism. We dare not tell the families of victims of Islamic atrocities about the commands to murder non-Muslims in the texts of the Koran, Sira and hadith, nor the rewards of 72 virgins promised for these murderous acts. Any attempts to tell the truth on far too many messageboards leads to these truthtelling posts being removed. Here in the West, we have far too many stupid leaders who still cling to the asinine belief that Islam is a religion of peace, contrary to the evidence of 14 centuries of ravenous bloodletting and suffering on an epic scale, when in full technicolor, it is a religion of murder, bloodlust, savagery, sadism, extreme cruelty, misogyny, infidel-hatred, viciously antisemitic, anti-progressive, destructive, wishes to destroy all pleasure, slags us off as immoral whilst at the same time elevating mass murderers to martyrdom.

I am so sad to her this. Prayers to her family and supporters

Keep in mind Butto campaigned on a platform of confronting terrorism. She wanted the terrorists out of Pakistan.

Lets hope that wish comes true

re: #23 paint-right

Bhutto was a corruptocrat, and while the media loved to portray her as a reformer, she was very much a part of the corruption and graft that forms the base of the Pakistani government.

Was Bhutto Hindu or Muslim?

Re posted from the D/T

Morning All,

In light of today's events, here's a real head thumper for you. I can only hope that this is in error.

Terrorists' new mission: Protect President Bush
Most active West Bank militant group in security team for Middle East visit

According to Israeli security officials coordinating deployments of forces with the PA for Bush's Ramallah visit, members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Fatah's declared military wing, have been called upon by the PA to participate in the protection of Bush's convoy and in securing the parameter during the meeting with Abbas.

Unbelievable Stupidity...Starting with the visit to Ramallah!

Do not worry, as soon as Bush and Condi create another Arab terrorist state instead of Israel, it will be Peace in the Middle East. That is the primary goal, highest priority, main legacy, what else?

The sick cult of death and destruction won in the end.
Condolences to her family.
{R.I.P. Benazir Bhutto}

re: #30 Golem Akbar
er, its Friday tomorrow. Thats when the blue touchpaper gets lit.

"this is going on because al qaeda wants to take over and have a home base that already has nukes"

If Al Qaeda take over Pakistan, India will invade.

And that invasion must happen quickly and at almost any cost. Otherwise India's big cities will be glass.

I am so sick of these islamofascist slime! Enough is enough! Prayers for her family and the families of those murdered by the slimy bast**ds the world over.

re: #13 paint-right

re: #5 Striker

I just heard about this, ROPMA!

Things are going to get VERY interesting soon, wonder what President Bush is going to say/do about this?

Wasn't she "friendly" to us in regards to opening up Pakistan to hunting down OBL and other AQ heads?

CNBC was implying that Bush put her up to this ill-advised attempt to return to Pak and run for office. So you see where this is headed and whose fault it really is?

Well the MSM didn't wait long did they? Her body isn't even cold yet.

Bastards.

I wonder what the KKKosKiddies are going to say about this?

The truth about Pakistan (paraphrasing Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men: "You can't handle democracy.

re: #8 Teacake!

the corespondent also said the usa won't have to do much if things get bad because India will, lets hope!

Good morning, on a sad day, Lizards.

You can just about "bet the ranch" that the Indian Armed Forces are on full war alert. They have, after all, fought three wars with Pakistan in the last half-century, and two of them ended with "changes of management" in Pakistan. The prospect of a civil war in a country they have this sort of history with, that now has nuclear weapons in its arsenal, is guaranteed to get all leaves canceled as of five minutes ago.

What happens in Islamabad over the next 72 hours will, I strongly suspect, have ramifications for decades to come.

/Just a thought

cheers (sort of)

eon

Her veil didn't protect her.

This is a very sad day for the whole world. RIP Ms Bhutto. You deserved better but, your sad excuse for a religion will not allow light to shine on their depravity nor anybody to make them pay for their terrible deeds.

Murdering an unarmed woman, what an excellent example of the cowardice and utter worthlessness these jihadis exhibit. Some say that suicide bombers are brave - bullshit - they are cowards who don't have the stones to really fight.

I am very saddened by this loss.

I guess this means that Pakistan just wasn't ready for a female Prime Minister.

re: #39 SpiritOf1683

re: #30 Golem Akbar
er, its Friday tomorrow. Thats when the blue touchpaper gets lit.

You may well be right. [looking for my seatbelt for the bumpy ride]

A brave Lady. but honestly, are any of us really surprised? We all knew that they would try and kill her and would eventually succeed. We talked about it in depth when she first returned and got a lot of people killed during that ill advised motorcade/parade. May she rest in peace and as Paint Right stated in #2, maybe now the people will get it through thier heads that the islamofacists have got to be utterly destroyed or the killing will just go on. But I honestly doubt that they will.

re: #24 Killian Bundy

She was an intentional death magnet. You weren't alone in calling things in Pakistan. The Islamists simply wouldn't let her remain alive.

Makes you wonder how Pervez has survived this long, doesn't it?

re: #36 M. Bensson-Levi

Re posted from the D/T

Morning All,

In light of today's events, here's a real head thumper for you. I can only hope that this is in error.

Terrorists' new mission: Protect President Bush
Most active West Bank militant group in security team for Middle East visit

According to Israeli security officials coordinating deployments of forces with the PA for Bush's Ramallah visit, members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Fatah's declared military wing, have been called upon by the PA to participate in the protection of Bush's convoy and in securing the parameter during the meeting with Abbas.

Unbelievable Stupidity...Starting with the visit to Ramallah!

When do u think this visit will be called off?

re: #40 Leauki

"this is going on because al qaeda wants to take over and have a home base that already has nukes"

If Al Qaeda take over Pakistan, India will invade.

And that invasion must happen quickly and at almost any cost. Otherwise India's big cities will be glass.

I wonder who Iran will support?

#31 Spiritof1683

Think of how successful Pakistan might have been if only the Jews had been allowed to run it.

re: #47 Ben Hur

I guess this means that Pakistan just wasn't ready for a female Prime Minister.

... to return to her former position.

re: #20 PoorMan

She was probably the last best hope of having anyone other than a military-backed strongman in charge of nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Back in the 70's her dad was a piece of work.

Wow, I had to go back and read about Ali Bhutto, and his hanging in 1979. I remember reading about it at the time, but it's been awhile.

re: #34 lawhawk

re: #23 paint-right

Bhutto was a corruptocrat, and while the media loved to portray her as a reformer, she was very much a part of the corruption and graft that forms the base of the Pakistani government.

The open letter from her niece (?), published a couple of months ago, was an interesting read. It sounds like she was a Pakistani Bill Clinton (to put it kindly) even after discounting how much of Asian/ME politics is based on populism and image.

The only result of this is chaos, which is exactly what Orthodox Islamic Fascism thrives on. It wouldn't exactly hurt Musharaff either, but maybe that's what the actors want people to believe. I know the ISI is a state within a state there, but it's amazing how shitty things are over there.

And they have the bomb, too. Peachy.

re: #42 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder what the KKKosKiddies are going to say about this?

Kos Kids mourn for one half second, then point finger:

Great! And yes, Republic lurkers, it's Bush's fault. Like everything else in the totally whacked Middle East is right now. When you upset an entire region, this is what you get.Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

by funluvn1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:13:50 AM PST

18 positive dings at last count...By the Geographically challenged kosers

How long before somebody blames it on Karl Rove or those Jooos?

One of the few (aspiring) leaders in the islamic world who fully understood the pernicous nature of islamofascism, how harmful it is to their own people, let alone the west, and was brave enough to return & stand up against this cult of death, all the while aware that legions of her countrymen wanted her dead -- may she inspire others to rise up against this cancer and may she rest in peace. a very sad day.

re: #34 lawhawk

re: #23 paint-right

Bhutto was a corruptocrat, and while the media loved to portray her as a reformer, she was very much a part of the corruption and graft that forms the base of the Pakistani government.

Yes, hey have quite a tradition of that.

This is going to get ugly.

Roundup with assorted links and reaction.

re: #35 Carl in Jerusalem

Was Bhutto Hindu or Muslim?

Were you really serious with that question?

Does a Hindu get elected to public office in an explicitly Muslim country?

Call me a cynic, but she may be more valuable as a martyr of democracy than an actual leader of it. There is a long history of corruption associated with her, some is probably fabricated, but still, where there is smoke... Regardless, it's a pity she had to die. How many civilians went out with her? Perhaps this will drive home the barbarity of the extremists to the "normal" Pakistanis.

Possible Civil War in Pakistan?

Nuclear Weapons in the hands of Rage Guy and his friends?

Screw it. We don't care.

We're going to nominate the Republican candidate who genuflects to the only issues that count, who says the right things about abortion and gays.

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

What you said. Spot on.

i was also thinking that assassinating a woman does not have the same ghastly effect that it has on us. We are appallled simply because she is a woman - no matter her political rightness or wrongness. - the remnants of chivalry and respect which our Western culture has ( and is so reviled for by progressives and regressives alike) . But for islamofascists, this is a triumphant moment. They are high fiving all over the world and even the "moderates' may not be feeling the revulsion that western sensibilities feel.

What is the origin of that word , again? "Assassin"?

She was an incredibly brave woman.
R.I.P Benazir Bhutto.

re: #25 Lively

I see the headlines: "World Rocked"

Hello? Islamists do this every single day. I hope the "world" wakes up and sees that Islam is trying to murder innocents...female or male...Head of State or bus driver. People are targeted day in and day out.

The Media apologists will see to it that the Islamists are not blamed. No, the "world" is not going to wake up any time soon.

:^þ

re: #54 scaramouche

#31 Spiritof1683

Think of how successful Pakistan might have been if only the Jews had been allowed to run it.

I would imagine that even the troglodytes would have made a better succress of running Pakistan than the Muslim savages who populate it.

Well, this is going to be interesting.

They better go full out now and blast that area and let these murderers have it once and for all! Kill this cancer before it kills you!

About the Paki nukes...

[Link: www.fas.org...]

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

The theory is that the Paki nukes are both equipped with US designed Permissive Action Link safety systems and stored partially assembled.

That may be about as secures as the US can make them, without just taking them.

It's not as if Taliban/Al-Q haven't already targeted those nukes.

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

[Link: formerspook.blogspot.com...]

===

FIZZLE,
R

re: #35 Carl in Jerusalem

Was Bhutto Hindu or Muslim?

Muslim

re: #52 jjmckay1216

re: #36 M. Bensson-Levi

When do u think this visit will be called off?

Two weeks from never. Dubya & Condi seem to want the creation of the state of Palestine to be their legacy of peace in the Middle East.

Very sad day for Pakistan. I wouldn't rule out collusion between Musharraf and the Jihadists.

re: #58 Iron Fist

re: #34 lawhawk,

I'm afraid that the best of a bad lot is what the Mohammedan world has to offer us for the forseable future. And, as we see here, if it is too good of a bad lot, the Mohammedans will kill them.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone "moderate" will step up, now. Bhutto had a lot of "secular progressives" as her followers in Pakistan, mainly because she was a woman. It's a given that there'll be a civil war over this, but I wonder if there are any real pro-west and moderate Muslims in Pakistan worth a lick, right now. I have my doubts.

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

This exposes Pakistan in all its glory. A failed state, which back in 1954 was on a par with Taiwan. Look where we are 54 years on. Taiwan is a wealthy and progressive Westernised country, whilst Pakistan is a semiliterate Islamic craphole with open sewers, a 30% literacy rate, overrun with savages who'll do this sort of thing with no regrets - and much more worryingly - armed with nukes. And why? You've guessed: Islam! Those who can plan and do this sort of thing to Benazir Bhutto wouldn't baulk at eliminating 6 million Israelis, 7 million Londoners, 17 million New Yorkers, or Calcutta's 18 million residents if they had the chance. Lets be in no doubt as to what gets taught in the madrassahs. The pro-Jihad press in Pakistan wanted this to happen just as the pro-Nazi press in Germany wanted the Reichstag to go up in flames. But Bhutto's killers represent something far worse and much darker than Nazism or Communism. They represent the new wannabe order in Pakistan, then the world. The repercussions of this atrocity will reverberate right across the Muslim world. Islamic Intolerance is on the march, yet intellectually paralysed by 40 years of political correctness, we dare not call a spade a spade. We dare not expose Islam for what it is, lest we get accused of racism. We dare not tell the families of victims of Islamic atrocities about the commands to murder non-Muslims in the texts of the Koran, Sira and hadith, nor the rewards of 72 virgins promised for these murderous acts. Any attempts to tell the truth on far too many messageboards leads to these truthtelling posts being removed. Here in the West, we have far too many stupid leaders who still cling to the asinine belief that Islam is a religion of peace, contrary to the evidence of 14 centuries of ravenous bloodletting and suffering on an epic scale, when in full technicolor, it is a religion of murder, bloodlust, savagery, sadism, extreme cruelty, misogyny, infidel-hatred, viciously antisemitic, anti-progressive, destructive, wishes to destroy all pleasure, slags us off as immoral whilst at the same time elevating mass murderers to martyrdom.

EXCELLENT POST. DO YOU MIND IF I POST IT ON ANOTHER BLOG...?YOU SAY IT ALL, AND SO WELL...

I AM TRULY SADDENED BY HER DEATH. She was a fearless woman who just 2-3 weeks ago said she knew her life was in danger, that there would be attempts to murder her, but her mission and calling was far greater.

RIP

re: #65 Snowflake

Call me a cynic, but she may be more valuable as a martyr of democracy than an actual leader of it. There is a long history of corruption associated with her, some is probably fabricated, but still, where there is smoke...

CYNIC!

However, an insightful cynic...

re: #59 EC Marm

re: #42 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder what the KKKosKiddies are going to say about this?

Kos Kids mourn for one half second, then point finger:

Great! And yes, Republic lurkers, it's Bush's fault. Like everything else in the totally whacked Middle East is right now. When you upset an entire region, this is what you get.Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21by funluvn1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:13:50 AM PST

18 positive dings at last count...By the Geographically challenged kosers

Sometimes I wonder which ones are more of a threat to us: the Islaomonazis or their stooges in the West.

Good grief.

re: #59 EC Marm

re: #42 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder what the KKKosKiddies are going to say about this?

Kos Kids mourn for one half second, then point finger:

Great! And yes, Republic lurkers, it's Bush's fault. Like everything else in the totally whacked Middle East is right now. When you upset an entire region, this is what you get.Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21by funluvn1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:13:50 AM PST

18 positive dings at last count...By the Geographically challenged kosers

Morons.

The religion of peace strikes again.

Rest in peace, brave lady.

Islam simply could not let her live.

Bottom line - the US and India need to co-ordinate a lightning strike that will take out all 28,000 madrassas in Pakistan.

SO MUCH FOR WHORLED PEAS

re: #73 Render

About the Paki nukes...

[Link: www.fas.org...]

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

The theory is that the Paki nukes are both equipped with US designed Permissive Action Link safety systems and stored partially assembled.

That may be about as secures as the US can make them, without just taking them.

It's not as if Taliban/Al-Q haven't already targeted those nukes.

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

[Link: formerspook.blogspot.com...]

===

FIZZLE,
R

There's a PDF out there with every location marked and analyzed,, I haven't linked or published it because some of the analysis in it is too close Render. You can find it if you dig however, it's relatively recent.

This from Bloomberg:

Bhutto attributed her interest in politics to the assassination of her father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the prime minister overthrown by General Mohammad Zia ul-Haq in a 1977 military coup.

Zia ul-Haq went on to become president in 1978. The elder Bhutto, founder of the Pakistan Peoples Party, was hanged in 1979 after his conviction on charges of authorizing the murder of an opponent. Both Bhutto’s brothers were also murdered.

`It Chose Me’

“I didn’t choose this life, it chose me,” Bhutto wrote in the preface to the second edition of her autobiography, Daughter of the East, in April 2007. “Born in Pakistan, my life mirrors its turbulence, its tragedies and its triumphs. Pakistan is no ordinary country. And mine has been no ordinary life.”

Bhutto was imprisoned for five years, mostly in solitary confinement, just before her father’s execution. She later lived in London, returning to Pakistan in 1986. She was married to a man from a land-owning family of agriculturists in 1987.

“An arranged marriage was the price in personal choice I had to pay for the political path my life had taken,” she wrote in her autobiography. “My own parents had married for love and I had grown up believing the day would come when I would fall in love and marry a man of my own choosing.”

Zia ul-Haq’s dictatorship ended when he was killed in a plane crash in 1988. Bhutto then became the first elected woman prime minister of an Islamic nation. Her government was dismissed in 1990. She won a second term in 1993 and was dismissed once again on charges of corruption in 1996.

re: #55 freetoken

re: #47 Ben Hur

I guess this means that Pakistan just wasn't ready for a female Prime Minister.

... to return to her former position.

Humor, my friend. Humor.

Have I been gone that long?

Bhutto was one of the best and most pro-Western leaders in Pakistan.

The danger now is that the country could descend into revolution or civil war.The last thing the West can afford in instability in a state which is both Islamic and nuclear.

re: #59 EC Marm

re: #42 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder what the KKKosKiddies are going to say about this?

Kos Kids mourn for one half second, then point finger:

Have they claimed "Bush and Cheney's fingerprints are all over it", like the paint-Huffers have?

Yes, Islamic terrorism has struck again in Pakistan. The irony of course is that the "democratic" opposition will blame Musharraf and the army for her assassination making him even less popular. They're not as dumb as one might think.

re: #76 Lion of the Red Mountain

Very sad day for Pakistan. I wouldn't rule out collusion between Musharraf and the Jihadists.

I don't know but I don't think so. Didn't they also try to kill him, too? It's a mess over there. The good guys (I'm sure they're there) are well-hidden, these days, and for good reason.

re: #78 So?

I usually just link to the original post with the instruction, "read this."

re: #78 So?

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

This exposes Pakistan in all its glory. A failed state, which back in 1954 was on a par with Taiwan. Look where we are 54 years on. Taiwan is a wealthy and progressive Westernised country, whilst Pakistan is a semiliterate Islamic craphole with open sewers, a 30% literacy rate, overrun with savages who'll do this sort of thing with no regrets - and much more worryingly - armed with nukes. And why? You've guessed: Islam! Those who can plan and do this sort of thing to Benazir Bhutto wouldn't baulk at eliminating 6 million Israelis, 7 million Londoners, 17 million New Yorkers, or Calcutta's 18 million residents if they had the chance. Lets be in no doubt as to what gets taught in the madrassahs. The pro-Jihad press in Pakistan wanted this to happen just as the pro-Nazi press in Germany wanted the Reichstag to go up in flames. But Bhutto's killers represent something far worse and much darker than Nazism or Communism. They represent the new wannabe order in Pakistan, then the world. The repercussions of this atrocity will reverberate right across the Muslim world. Islamic Intolerance is on the march, yet intellectually paralysed by 40 years of political correctness, we dare not call a spade a spade. We dare not expose Islam for what it is, lest we get accused of racism. We dare not tell the families of victims of Islamic atrocities about the commands to murder non-Muslims in the texts of the Koran, Sira and hadith, nor the rewards of 72 virgins promised for these murderous acts. Any attempts to tell the truth on far too many messageboards leads to these truthtelling posts being removed. Here in the West, we have far too many stupid leaders who still cling to the asinine belief that Islam is a religion of peace, contrary to the evidence of 14 centuries of ravenous bloodletting and suffering on an epic scale, when in full technicolor, it is a religion of murder, bloodlust, savagery, sadism, extreme cruelty, misogyny, infidel-hatred, viciously antisemitic, anti-progressive, destructive, wishes to destroy all pleasure, slags us off as immoral whilst at the same time elevating mass murderers to martyrdom.

EXCELLENT POST. DO YOU MIND IF I POST IT ON ANOTHER BLOG...?YOU SAY IT ALL, AND SO WELL...

I AM TRULY SADDENED BY HER DEATH. She was a fearless woman who just 2-3 weeks ago said she knew her life was in danger, that there would be attempts to murder her, but her mission and calling was far greater.

RIP

Permission granted.

re: #87 Ben Hur

Have I been gone that long?

I blame it on the avatar...

Afternoon Lizards

Appreciate this is OT for this sad piece of news but there is an article about reports that British Military intelligence have been holding secret talks with the Taliban in Afghanistan and that diplomats, including one British, have been passing funds to them.

If I may quote the footnote to this article:

The words "war on terror" will no longer be used by the Government to describe attacks on the public, the chief prosecutor said yesterday.

Sir Ken Macdonald said terrorist fanatics were not soldiers fighting a war but simply members of an aimless "death cult".

The Director of Public Prosecutions said: "We resist the language of warfare, and I think the Government has moved on this. It no longer uses this sort of language. London is not a battlefield.

"The people who were murdered on July 7 were not the victims of war. The men who killed them were not soldiers. They were fantasists, narcissists, murderers and criminals and need to be responded to in that way."

His remarks signal a change in emphasis across Whitehall, where the 'war on terror' language has officially been ditched.

Officials were concerned it could act as a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, which is determined to manufacture a battle between Islam and the West.

The term 'Islamic terrorist' will also no longer be used. Officials believe it is unhelpful because it appears to directly link the religion to terrorist atrocities.

In an interview with BBC Radio's World at One, Sir Ken made a fresh attack on plans to extend beyond 28 days the length of time a terror suspect can be held without trial.

He said that the evidence had shown that the existing limit was working well and he accused ministers of legislating on the basis of "hypotheticals".

I can't find any links to verify it but googling Sir Ken MacDonald, is far as I can gather occupies on the top legal positions in the countries, comes across as a bit of a moonbat, hardly the best choice for dealing with terrorism which seems to be under his remit.

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re: #40 Leauki

"this is going on because al qaeda wants to take over and have a home base that already has nukes"

If Al Qaeda take over Pakistan, India will invade.

And that invasion must happen quickly and at almost any cost. Otherwise India's big cities will be glass.

I wonder who Iran will support?

The new Islamic Government of Pakistan, of course. Probably with troops, if needed. Definitely with "assistance" to any terrorists with dreams of martyring themselves in front of the Taj Mahal.

From the mullahs' POV, bad news for anyone not 100% on their side is good news for them. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", or more accurately, "Anybody I don't like needs to die, and I don't care how they get the chop!"

And consider this; they have already been caught out lending aid to the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, off the Indian south coast. So it's not like they don't already have a track record of sticking their oar in troubled waters in the region. (Which they consider part of The Caliphate, of course.)

This is not a war against a nation-state. It is a war against a supranational movement as widespread, as ruthless, and as potentially deadly, as the old Comintern every imagined itself to be in Trotsky and Lenin's most ecstatic dreams. And (surprise, surprise!) it has attracted the approval and even collaboration of many of the same sort of "intellectuals" here and abroad. (In fact, in a lot of cases, they're even the same "in-Duh-viduals", as Scott Adams might say.)

We forget this at our peril.

cheers

eon

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scampy123 (See profile | I'm a fan of scampy123)
If only we could read that Bush and Blair had been blown to bits with this greedy corrupt bitch who was persuaded to return for the American style of imposed democracy.
Why have the war criminals Bush and Blair have not been assasinated?
Reply | posted 09:46 am on 12/27/2007

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A tragedy for democratic reform in Pakistan. A preview of what opponents to the Republican Party can expect?
Reply | posted 09:40 am on 12/27/2007

re: #75 Who Watches the Watchmen?

re: #52 jjmckay1216

re: #36 M. Bensson-Levi

When do u think this visit will be called off?

Two weeks from never. Dubya & Condi seem to want the creation of the state of Palestine to be their legacy of peace in the Middle East.

They want their Nobel, and they want to get theirs before Dr. Slick gets his.

Meanwhile Putin is struting his balls with this:::

The White House expressed concern Wednesday over Iran's announcement that Russia would supply S-300 air missile defense systems to the Islamic republic.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

~~~

Tired of hearing how concerned The White House is about this, that and the other thing. If they were truly concerned about the war on terror, they would have carpet bombed the mountainous regions of Pakistan where these Jihadi a-holes hangout and might have avoided the tragedy that befell Bhutto today.

Time to show Putin he's not the big KGB dick he once was.
Time to bomb the shit out of Iran before their peacock feathers get too cocky. Time to make up for the mistake we just made in Pakistan. Yes they are all related. As the expression goes, Mr. Bush, shit or get off the pot.

~~~

The religion of misogyny strikes again. Rest in Peace, Benazir.

A nation of Rage Boys.

Benazir Bhutto
Born: June 21, 1953
Died: December 27, 1007

We just need to hug some jihadis.

- airhead peaceniks

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

How very true...

I know fairly well both Pak and KSA - been there working. They are the most dangerous (because they have the means to destroy so much).

In spite of everything, Pervez is the best chance to keep Pak from erupting - for how long a time? The situation can change overnight - what can we do about it?

Here in the West, we have far too many stupid leaders who still cling to the asinine belief that Islam is a religion of peace, contrary to the evidence of 14 centuries of ravenous bloodletting and suffering on an epic scale

We have such leaders because we voted them in the office, to do exactly this. As long as the majority among us thinks so, there is little which can be achieved, and the fanatics will have the upper hand.

re: #63 JammieWearingFool

This is going to get ugly? The situation in Pakistan has been ugly for years. It's gotten worse to be sure, and today isn't going to help either.

Al Qaeda is taking responsibility for the attack btw. Figures.

re: #21 resize

I'm sure Iran has a safe place to hold them for the Pakis meanwhile...

re: #80 Gang of One

Sometimes I wonder which ones are more of a threat to us: the Islaomonazis or their stooges in the West.

Speaking as a Vietnam vet, I'd say the stooges. They are the ones who helped the US lose the war in Vietnam, and the Islamo-fascist enabler/stooges in the west are hell-bent on helping the US lose in this war.

They are protected by the constitution, as well it should be, but we've got to see them for what they really are: a cancer within.

I believe they can be excized with knowledge and exposure (thanks, Charles).

'Bad news from Pakistan.'

Not necessarily. She was a corrupted POS, the daughter of a corrupted POS, who felt she was owed a ruling position.

Human tragedy aside, she was a destabilizing influence who was doing Musharaf no favors.

Another idiotic plan of Condi's, this time fortunately gone astray.

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

re: #97 JammieWearingFool

How would I have guessed that would have been said?

re: #105 lawhawk

re: #63 JammieWearingFool

This is going to get ugly? The situation in Pakistan has been ugly for years. It's gotten worse to be sure, and today isn't going to help either.

Al Qaeda is taking responsibility for the attack btw. Figures.

By that I meant possible civil war forthcoming (within one of the links).

Trying to keep up here.

re: #12 tommylotto

Roger that.

This will certainly have the effect of polarizing the sides -- in the end moderates outnumber the rage boy contingent by far ( the last full election MMA got only 11%)
It's going to be interesting to see what rises up next.

Pakistan is a truly a failed state. It is funny (ironic) that the Left and paleocons think that Israel is a failed state and was a mistake. I do not see them calling for Pakistan to be dissolved.

How sad, yet anticipated.
With each presidential election cycle it is said "this is the most important..."
Well folks.. this upcoming election may be the most important? But, in reality, the last two were. How sad. The Religion of Peace my ass. How many bodies will it take to act?

re: #97 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie! Didja get my e-mail from last night?!

re: #97 JammieWearingFool

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scampy123 (See profile | I'm a fan of scampy123)
If only we could read that Bush and Blair had been blown to bits with this greedy corrupt bitch who was persuaded to return for the American style of imposed democracy.
Why have the war criminals Bush and Blair have not been assasinated?
Reply | posted 09:46 am on 12/27/2007Bluedanube (See profile | I'm a fan of Bluedanube)
A tragedy for democratic reform in Pakistan. A preview of what opponents to the Republican Party can expect?
Reply | posted 09:40 am on 12/27/2007

Can the HoPo's name ONE instance of a Republican suicide bombing?

Can they even name the party affiliation of four the the five American Presidents who have been assassinated? (The fifth being the son of an Irish Bootlegger had to run as a Democrat.)

Permission granted.

Thanks Spiritof1683!

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

You are absolutely spot on. And the real tragedy is that you will be persecuted for speaking this truth.

I lose all hope.

re: #73 Render

The theory is that the Paki nukes are both equipped with US designed Permissive Action Link safety systems and stored partially assembled.

That may be about as secures as the US can make them, without just taking them.

That used to be my working theory too.

/and then the NYT dumped on it, frightening if true

Huffposters have it ALL figgered out

"While not saying that this is directly King George's fault, I do believe he is indirectly responsible. Playing both sides of the fence between Musharraff and Bhutto was bound to piss off Musharraff and his supporters, thus, Musharraff needed to eliminate his strongest opposition. Musharraff will continue to pay lip service to King George (who will eat it up as truth and continue throwing money at him), while he continues to proclaim his "innocence" and will once again call for Martial Law in Pakistan under the guise of "saving the democracy".

King George touches Afghanistan, and it goes to hell in a hand basket; King George then touches Iraq and THAT goes to hell in a hand basket; then King George aligns himself in the "war on terrah" with Musharraff, who, by the way, smiles as he holds out one hand collecting billions of our taxpayer dollars in "aid" while firmly giving us the finger with the other, happily continues his alliance with the Taliban/Al Qaeda (who I firmly believe are beneficiaries of a large part of that "aid") and now Pakistan is going to hell in a hand basket ... me also thinks King George is no King Midas."

re: #97 JammieWearingFool

Daily Kos isn't much better.

ROPMA

re: #20 PoorMan

Back in the 70's her dad was a piece of work.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree with her either. That's said, I think it takes a certain level of corruption and patronage to rule a country like Pakistan and survive your term. Al Qaeda might have misjudged the ramifications of whacking Bhutto. If Musharraf is smart, he'll work out a deal with India under the table and allow them to deal with the extremists on the border where I'm sure India is already mobilizing.

re: #119 Gang of One

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

You are absolutely spot on. And the real tragedy is that you will be persecuted for speaking this truth.

I lose all hope.

Not as long as LGF and anti-idiotarians are allowed to speak out. Don't lose hope. If you do, another brilliant voice gets lost.

In this country if you dont like someones politics, you write an article for a newspaper or blog or magazine. You make a commercial. You give a speech.
In the Islamic world if you dont like someones politics, you simply shoot them or blow them to pieces. If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

And I was commenting yesterday how the security forces were doing a good job. Maybe they weren't. Or maybe now they've done their best work?

It seems to me that most everything can be bought in Islamic countries, why would "security" be any different?

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

And you are talking about the "successful" part of Pakistan. Please remember that the original partition included Bangladesh too.

Its quite simple, if you take 50% of your population and make them into unproductive chattel and then take the other 50% of the population and have them learning how to chant a pile of gook in a language that they don't understand, you do not have a successful country. While there is much more to life than just material things, being the good steward of all that is around you made by whatever higher power you believe in takes more than what they are doing.

re: #95 cagney

One EU Representative and one UN Representative were just kicked out of Afghanistan for doing exactly that. Negotiating with and giving money to the Taliban elements currently trapped in Afghanistan.

Is this the same story?

SAME
OLD
SONG,
R

re: #59 EC Marm

re: #42 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder what the KKKosKiddies are going to say about this?

Kos Kids mourn for one half second, then point finger:

Great! And yes, Republic lurkers, it's Bush's fault. Like everything else in the totally whacked Middle East is right now. When you upset an entire region, this is what you get.Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21
by funluvn1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:13:50 AM PST

18 positive dings at last count...By the Geographically challenged kosers

They would be more entertaining if they wern't so predictable.

re: #91 Golem Akbar

I had read recently that Bhutto had demanded that Musharraf surrender both posts -head of the army and the presidency. I wonder if this would cause him to think that he couldn't work with her and ordered her assassination, or did a Henry the 2nd and wished it done. But I don't follow Pakistan closely enough to have a real good feel for the situation.

re: #108 Maine's Michael

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

Then count me with the idiots. Democracy is the only hope for humanity.

re: #107 Golem Akbar

Golem, first, welcome home -- I did not know you are a vet.

I agree with you, we have to raise our voices louder and keep our powder drier. After all, we are not the ones with 2A issues ...

re: #126 Sizzlack

If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

I don't know. The left seems to be only now starting to realize how evil communism was.

re: #124 Wendya

re: #20 PoorMan

Back in the 70's her dad was a piece of work.

I think it takes a certain level of corruption and patronage to rule a country like Pakistan and survive your term. Al Qaeda might have misjudged the ramifications of whacking Bhutto.

I agree with you. It is an extremely violent country (much like rest of the Islamic world).

re: #116 realwest

re: #97 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie! Didja get my e-mail from last night?!

Haven't checked the mail this morning.

Will take a look in a bit.

re: #97 JammieWearingFool

Huffposters showing the love.

Should anyone wonder why I call them "paint-Huffers"?

Willful ignorance in action.

re: #130 CourDeLion

Fears Of Civil War After Bhutto's Assasination

As Benazir Bhutto's supporters riot outside her hospital deathbed, governments and citizens from all over the world are reacting with grief at her assasination.

Acting Secretary General of her party Riaz Khan said: "This is a very tragic incident. It has left a very black hole for Pakistan's masses. Benazir Bhutto was the voice of the Pakistani people. She was killed while Musharraf was sitting there."

His brother Shabbas Sharif said: "I'm shellshocked. It's very bad for this country. Whoever has done this has done the biggest disservice to Pakistan."

He added: "The government must resign, Musharaf must go home, they must hold a very transparent enquiry into Benazir's killing."

Sitting quietly next to her dead body in hospital, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif said that he "vowed to fight your war".

The Russian foreign ministry said it feared the country could descend into terrorism or civil war.

[Link: news.sky.com...]

I really don't think Musharaf is stupid enough to be hehind her assassination. This is a nightmare for him, too. AlQ is more likely--it's a two-for-one for them.

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

re: #105 lawhawk

re: #63 JammieWearingFool

This is going to get ugly? The situation in Pakistan has been ugly for years. It's gotten worse to be sure, and today isn't going to help either.

Al Qaeda is taking responsibility for the attack btw. Figures.

By that I meant possible civil war forthcoming (within one of the links).

Trying to keep up here.

You and Lawhawk are doing great on this, I've linked back to both.

So far, the CIA, Bush, and Cheney have been fingered at DU. I'm as shocked as you. /sarc

re: #133 experiencedtraveller

re: #108 Maine's Michael

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

Then count me with the idiots. Democracy is the only hope for humanity.

I'm with you, too.

re: #133 experiencedtraveller

One doesn't force elections on savages and expect a working democracy as a result.

It's too simple to say Bhutto was killed "because she's a woman" or because she was moderate. Bhutto's return to Pakistan was managed in a most reckless way, and her assassination was inevitable. Moreover, as a politician, Bhutto and her family left a long record of corruption charges, money laundering, etc. Many in Pakistan had reasons way beyond her gender to oppose her. This is far more complex than simple misogyny or fear of a progressive. It's about politics and raw power. Always has been. Always will be.

Please, let's not give Hillary an opportunity to wax poetic about the "struggles" of a woman in a man's world.

re: #67 paint-right

What is the origin of that word , again? "Assassin"?

Unless the question is rhetorical...

Hashshashin

Or you could just look up the movie Omar Khayyam, starring Cornel Wilde, Debra Paget, and Michael Rennie (Paramount, 1957). It tells the story succinctly, and with style. (No doubt the Islamists consider it an insult. Good.)

cheers

eon

All the evil murder are belong to them.
G_d rest her soul.

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

I'd say that train has left the station. It may now not just be in Waziristan.

re: #108 Maine's Michael

Another idiotic plan of Condi's, this time fortunately gone astray.

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

I do not argue with you, Maine. I begin to seriously consider that maybe, just maybe, there are people in this world who cannot handle the complexity of democracy. I used to think that the very nature of the human soul yearned and thirsted for representative government, free and fair elections, etc. But it is dawning on me that in order for true democracy to thrive, a host of prerequisite attitudes and institutions must have been secured.

Perhaps this Bush Doctrine is a huge error?

re: #143 Maine's Michael

re: #133 experiencedtraveller

One doesn't force elections on savages and expect a working democracy as a result.

Well, yes, it's a process. Palestinian democracy may be an oxymoron now, but it's the only way those people will ever be free. The process has to start somehow, of course that is the problem, we all know that.

If only Pelosi had met with the jihadis and donned a burqa and proclaimed the jihadis' desire for peace, none of this would have happened. It's Pelosi's fault.

What with Pakistan nukes in play, if Pakistan descends into a civil war over this (and I suspect it won't), it will have been the most monumental fuck up of the Baker admin.

WTF were they thinking, forcing Bhutto on Musharraf?

Don't they understand the way things need to work, in that part of the world, for the next 50 years or so?

Freaking Islamofacists.

This event simply shows how important it is that the US continue to fight the global war on terrorism, and start pinpoint bombing wherever, and whenever we perceive a threat.

I don't care if it is downtown London or New Delhi. We need to start planting operatives everywhere, and taking out the Islamofascists one by one. And if they live with their families, take them out too, so the seed won't grow.

Any nation which teaches their children that it is okay to martyr onesself to kill innocents need to be wiped out.
Are you listening, Palestinian Authority?

You need to be exterminated if you continue to teach your children to murder innocents.

Just wait until Al Qaeda is successful in the USA again. It will be the catalyst for the destruction of fanatical islamic governments across the globe.

Right now, England is in the greatest jeopardy from Islam ... and they don't even realize that the cancer is spreading.

Stupid Liberals!

re: #135 Golem Akbar

re: #126 Sizzlack

If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

I don't know. The left seems to be only now starting to realize how evil communism was.

Except that most reviews take the filmmakers to task for not "showing" how that interference "created" the Taliban, al-Qaeda and led "directly" to 9/11.

No, the Left will never get it.

re: #120 Killian Bundy

All too likely. That's why I used the word "theory."

India has got to be sitting at DEFCON 2 about now.

NO
MUSHROOMS
PLEASE,
R

re: #131 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Another day, another devalued dollar

? KOSkidz are at their amusing best when their multiple (yet unrelated) gripes come out in the same breath. Amusing, yet confusing.

re: #129 Render

Hard to say if two stories are the same.

The UK government throughout the years have had secret talks with the IRA despite official statements to the contrary.

The difference this time is that as seen the present UK government is so compromised with pressure groups that the logic they use to justify these transactions is dubious at best.

re: #132 Lion of the Red Mountain

re: #91 Golem Akbar

I had read recently that Bhutto had demanded that Musharraf surrender both posts -head of the army and the presidency. I wonder if this would cause him to think that he couldn't work with her and ordered her assassination, or did a Henry the 2nd and wished it done. But I don't follow Pakistan closely enough to have a real good feel for the situation.

Zawahiri claimed credit, Zawahiri is trying to kill Musharraf and Sherpao as well. It's not Mushy.

re: #150 harrylook

If only Pelosi had met with the jihadis and donned a burqa and proclaimed the jihadis' desire for peace, none of this would have happened. It's Pelosi's fault.

LMAO!

It's a very sad situation, but anyone who was surprised by this hasn't been paying attention. It was only a matter of time.

Remember whose fault this is: Our own little Dhimmi Carter.

It was during Dhimmi Carter's watch that Pakistan openly enriched Uranium. He did nothing about it.

He also armed Bin laden as Dhimmitude to the Iranian Islamists that seized the US embassy in Iran, hoping that licking their boots would help him out.

Oh, I guess that what happens when you elect a "nuclear expert". Check out his real credentials, I have. All his academic credentials were lies.

re: #148 Gang of One

But it is dawning on me that in order for true democracy to thrive, a host of prerequisite attitudes and institutions must have been secured.

Recognition of the divine genius of our Founding Fathers.

Bhutto Helped create this mess for the world.. Pakistan got nukes under her watch.. supported radical islam.. supplied troops to defend the oil tick governments of the middle east.. she was as corrupt as they come in islamic politics.. she started a whirlwind we will reap a hurricane.

re: #31 SpiritOf1683 With all due respect, I have two friends who are Pakistani (although one became a US Citizen) and they wouldn't recognize the Pakistan you describe. Not at all. And the US citizen Pakistani (who's whole family still lives in and around Lahore) just returned from his annual 6 week "vacation" there (he works about 70 hours a week the rest of the year so he can take that 6 weeks off) had nothing but BAD things to say about Bhutto - she was as corrupt as corrupt can get according to him. Also according to him and to his (and my) friend, Al-Q is having trouble gaining traction in Pakistan (not the Warziristan and Frontier provinces which are largely run by warlords who do what Al-Q says or else!) is because Paki's see the deliberate mass murder of Muslims as something genuinely BAD.
Moreover, they and their families supported Mushareef in taking over the Red Mosque.
Finally don't forget how much money the US has shelled out to Taiwan, while India had British help; the Paki's, until recently, have been pretty much on their own.

Sorry y'all but I gotta scoot - hope to see you later.

The murderous freaks... but someone/something else will be blamed instead of islam indoctrination... another excuse will be given instead of looking at the root cause of bloody islam... around we go in a big circle... do-si-do... swing your partner and around we go...

re: #125 Golem Akbar

Don't lose hope. If you do, another brilliant voice gets lost.

Thank you, Sir. I will do my best.

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

Unfortunately, you are absolutely right. When are we going to wake up and fight back?

Not for the faint of heart - photos of the carnage via Getty Images. One of the photos appears to have been taken moments after the bomb detonated.

oy vey! this is very bad. cant anyone do anything to stop this madness? i was up all night with the heebee jeebees and felt wierd like something wouldhappen since it is the holidays...

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

Heheh, you said craphole.

Seriously though, well said. Enough is enough.

re: #80 Gang of One

"Sometimes I wonder which ones are more of a threat to us: the Islaomonazis or their stooges in the West."

Any threat to the West is because of the stooges of the west.

re: #148 Gang of One

re: #108 Maine's Michael

Another idiotic plan of Condi's, this time fortunately gone astray.

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

I do not argue with you, Maine. I begin to seriously consider that maybe, just maybe, there are people in this world who cannot handle the complexity of democracy. I used to think that the very nature of the human soul yearned and thirsted for representative government, free and fair elections, etc. But it is dawning on me that in order for true democracy to thrive, a host of prerequisite attitudes and institutions must have been secured.

Perhaps this Bush Doctrine is a huge error?

I don't think so. Democracy is the only long-term answer. In the short term, no, it's not workable with a lot of cultures. The Arab so-called Palestinians, for example, may be generations away from democracy, but eventually they'll have to come to it, or kill themselves off. Yeah, they may do that, first, but it's not the best of all possible outcomes.

Can anyone actually keep track of the serious world events that are happening all over this world's battleground.
I can see the isolationist view and the global trade and democrasation view.
But, Christ, I quess we will have to somehow split the difference. Which one of our ' promise everything' candidates can deliver.

re: #130 CourDeLion

He added: "The government must resign, Musharaf must go home, they must hold a very transparent enquiry into Benazir's killing."

What planet is this guy phoning in from? If the government resigns, who steps in to fill the vacuum? The same people who whacked his sister.

re: #121 jjmckay1216

Too bad that they all are so senile as to forget the fact that the president who armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan was none other than their favorite peace loving Dhimmi Carter and the president at the time when Bin Laden issued his declaration of war against the US was Zippy Carter.

My Spidey sense say Mushu knew.

re: #149 Golem Akbar

re: #143 Maine's Michael

re: #133 experiencedtraveller

One doesn't force elections on savages and expect a working democracy as a result.

Well, yes, it's a process. Palestinian democracy may be an oxymoron now, but it's the only way those people will ever be free. The process has to start somehow, of course that is the problem, we all know that.

To add to your comment: we've been doing this for 231 years and still haven't perfected democracy. The Islamofacists are still living in the dark ages so naturally it will take longer.

re: #153 Spiny Norman

the Left will never get it.

Universal truth.

re: #166 TexasPatriot

re: #31 SpiritOf1683

Unfortunately, you are absolutely right. When are we going to wake up and fight back?

Only when the US suffers through an attack where casualties are in the 10's of thousands ... an d not 1 moment before that.

Wow, two threads up already before 7:30am PST. Charles, you're up early. Have you taken up bass fishing?

Has anybody blamed Israel Yet?

And to think that half of the voters would trust the security of our country in the hands of Obama, Edwards or Clinton.

re: #149 Golem Akbar

Is doesn't start with elections, it ends with elections. After rule of law, working executive arms of gov't, economic structure, and cultural acceptance and expectation have been built up and firmly in place.

Parachuting a corrupted 'queen' back into Pakistan, to needle the strongman who has been walking on a razor to keep a fractious Pakistan nominally on the US side, and its nukes reasonabley secure, has got to be one of the dumbest moves ever dreamed up by this, or any, American admin.

re: #108 Maine's Michael

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

This is exactly what the geniuses in the CIA and State Department want us to believe, because Arab dictators are easier to control. It is of course, completely untrue.

RIP Bhutto

Hell of a thing to wake up to.

re: #174 Shr_Nfr

re: #121 jjmckay1216

Too bad that they all are so senile as to forget the fact that the president who armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan was none other than their favorite peace loving Dhimmi Carter and the president at the time when Bin Laden issued his declaration of war against the US was Zippy Carter.

I don't think it's so much a case of senility as it is a state of denial.

Ah, the gelded cowards of islam attempt to achieve tumescence again.  When this nadless asshat assassin is attempting to romp his 72 houris with his baby gerkin, I bet the ghost of Clara Peller* starts screaming from the cheap seats ...

}:)     [* "Where's the beef?"]

re: #180 shug

Has anybody blamed Israel Yet?

They're too busy shrieking like 5-year-olds and pointing fingers at the White House.

Oh, man.

RIP Mrs. Bhutto.

Another fine person killed by the religion of peace.

#66 opinionated I must agree.I have felt from a long time prior to the attacks of 11 Sept. that the growing islamist threat would be the foremost issue of our time. I am daily dismayed by those in the west that either just don't get it or refuse to see it for what it is because the reality scares the shit out of them. I have only one criteria for president in the upcoming election-how will that person deal with the islamists. Among those running it seems all the front runners are concerned with anything else but islamofacism and it's spread.Talk all you want about abortion,healthcare,immigration,two Americas,taxes,etc.None of it means shit if the islamists win. We are repeating in Afghanistan what we did in VietNam...we are allowing,for any number of reasons, the enemy to have a base of operations across a border we dare not cross. In VietNam it was the countries of Laos and Cambodia (only visited by those in the secret units of MAVCSOG).Today it is the area of Waziristan and in particular the city of Quetta where the Taliban openly march in the street daily.This war will never be truly won until this issue is addressed and the islamists confronted directly through every means-calling the enemy by name and utilizing every political,economic,educational,and military option available.

re: #161 MrMom

re: #148 Gang of One

But it is dawning on me that in order for true democracy to thrive, a host of prerequisite attitudes and institutions must have been secured.

Recognition of the divine genius of our Founding Fathers.

Yes.

Silly me. I thought Islam was a religion of peace.

re: #22 lawhawk

Bhutto put herself in extreme danger from the moment she stepped back in Pakistan. Her enemies would not tolerate her presence, and the Islamists would seek to kill her because she had the audacity to think that a woman's place was anywhere but hidden behind the burkha and never to be seen doing anything more than serving her husband.

Both groups of people (and there were commonalities between the two - they aren't mutually exclusive) are going to try and take advantage of the situation.

Throw in the fact that Sharif's followers came under attack today as well, and you've got a recipe for disaster. Musharraf is ill-prepared to deal with this crisis, as his waffling ways have helped encourage the Islamists. Sure, one can point to his occasional crackdowns, but it's the appeasement that gives the Islamists hope that they can take down the government and replace it with an Islamist regime.

More here.

It took courage but you are correct. She knew what she was getting into. There was a reason she was in exile.

Freedom is a strange thing. It is held so cheap by those that have it that they will throw it away.

It is valued so dear by those that don't have it that they will die so that their progeny may have it.

As I say, freedom is a strange thing.

Suicide bombing is a national past time in Islamoland.

re: #153 Spiny Norman

re: #135 Golem Akbar

re: #126 Sizzlack

If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

I don't know. The left seems to be only now starting to realize how evil communism was.

Except that most reviews take the filmmakers to task for not "showing" how that interference "created" the Taliban, al-Qaeda and led "directly" to 9/11.

No, the Left will never get it.

I suppose its because the left prefers to play the blame game instead of trying to figure out what to do going forward. At the time, the US did what it needed to do to win the Cold War. An unfortunate side product of that was the creation of the Taliban. I prefer to try and figure out what to do now that they exist, here in reality, than to sit around and bitch and moan about how what we did 30 years ago resulted in the something today. Thats just the unfortunate way of the world. While most of us are going to be concerned about where Pakistan is headed in the future, I have a feeling DK is going to be mostly concerned with finding fault with those they hate most. And then continuing to do nothing but blame that person for anything that takes place in the future that doesnt go our way.

re: #153 Spiny Norman

re: #135 Golem Akbar

re: #126 Sizzlack

If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

I don't know. The left seems to be only now starting to realize how evil communism was.

Except that most reviews take the filmmakers to task for not "showing" how that interference "created" the Taliban, al-Qaeda and led "directly" to 9/11.

No, the Left will never get it.

I saw the movie on Christmas day (the day the Jews go to the movies...heh). I voted for the writer/producer Aaron Sorkin for a Fiskie, so don't get me wrong, here. The movie did show that some "liberal Democrats" in the 80s did see communism as evil. And for one of their most outspoken voices (Sorkin) to make this movie, he had to believe that. Of course he tried to spin it against what we are doing today, but I don't think he succeeded.

I also believe that anytime Al Qayda kills someone, like Bhutto, it helps galvanize the west against them. We don't need another 9/11 to do that. Just more assasinations like they did today.

They keep coming, they never give up on death.

We have to succeed every time, they just have to succeed once to kill.

Many times I have pointed out that, eventually, the muslims would go one step too far. At that point, even their strongest supporters would shake their heads in disgust and walk away. The language of the cold war, of containment and deterrence, is rapidly taking root where appeasement and PC have been king.

The rubicon has been crossed.

Just like islamic rage boy doesn't have a clue as to why he is a symbol of a completely failed system, culture, and cult, they collectively don't have the slightest clue as to how fed up the rest of the world is dealing with their "peace". We have seen the impact of appeasing gangsters and terrorists. We have seen the social and moral disaster in letting them remain in power, the human cost of klepto-thugocracy, cloaked in "religion" or ideology.

The brits are starting to get it. See this link. When your greatest allies are saying things like

"Pakistan is doomed to become a battleground for muslim crazies believing in the cult of death."

you know you have issues.

The rest of the world has grown tired of dealing with them. The language of containment and deterrence will likely be on the rise.

Do they have the slightest inkling the damage they are doing to themselves? Would any of you let a jihadi live with a hand on a nuke?

What horrible news to wake up to this morning.
I have to say, both Mitt Romney and Rudy G.'s comments shortly after hearing the news were spot on.
What, if anything have other candidates said?

And how dare anyone be critcal of Musharrif for not "controlling" Pakistan outside the area where her meeting was.

We cannot "control" every street and alley here, either.
Just last night a next-door neighbor had a gun brandished at him and although police responded they took the word of the resident that the man with the gun was not there. They did nothing!

re: #178 LANMaster

you've been lurking since 05?
or have you been waiting for the avatars to become available.

re: #176 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

To add to your comment: we've been doing this for 231 years and still haven't perfected democracy. The Islamofacists are still living in the dark ages so naturally it will take longer.

Excellent point!

re: #52 jjmckay1216

re: #36 M. Bensson-Levi

Re posted from the D/T

Morning All,

In light of today's events, here's a real head thumper for you. I can only hope that this is in error.

Terrorists' new mission: Protect President Bush
Most active West Bank militant group in security team for Middle East visit

According to Israeli security officials coordinating deployments of forces with the PA for Bush's Ramallah visit, members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Fatah's declared military wing, have been called upon by the PA to participate in the protection of Bush's convoy and in securing the parameter during the meeting with Abbas.

Unbelievable Stupidity...Starting with the visit to Ramallah!

When do u think this visit will be called off?

This is a mental disease, this is an obsession that Bush and Condi got.
No wonder Condi asked for Clinton's advice.
All this push to restart "peace process" did not ever make any rational sense, so I think they will go ahead with it. As they keep saying:
We will not allow some terrorists, either Islamic or Jewish, stand on a way of Peace ( or our obsession).

As far as I understand this time media is somewhat correct blaming Bush. I am not excusing terrorists, but we do not blame San Francisco tiger, but people who did take adequate actions.

Pushing for Democracy in Pakistan RIGHT NOW, bringing in Bhutto, when suicide attacks we going on, is the same kind of obsession Bush has about creating another terror state, this time instead of Israel.

Will the Friday sermons in the mosques be ale to top th anti- Americanism of Huffpo and the Koslings?

If the current administration had not failed on universal health care. This would have never happened.

re: #193 Eowyn2

There was a reason she was in exile.

It wasn't because she was a victimized champion of democracy. She left one step ahead of jail time, or worse.

This all reminds me of a line from " A Few Good Men " when the little lawyer turns to the character played by Demi Moore and says " this is the difference between paper law and trial law "! Well this is the difference between paper foreign policy and real foreign policy. It was dangerous for our government ( and I have to blame Bush for this- he is President after all ) to pressure Mussaref to let her back in the country and to lift Martial law. It might sound good, but so did the advice Carter gave to the Shah and we all know how well that worked out!

And while I am sorry she Bhutto has been assassinated, let's not make her out to be a beacon of good government or impeccable character. Her former administration was ripe with corruption and there is a reason she was run out Pakistan. Of course unless we are rewriting history here like Condi is doing by calling the Palestinians the Blacks of the Middle East.

This is the kind of foreign policy that often results in deadly consequences for America.

re: #194 razorbacker

Freedom is a strange thing. It is held so cheap by those that have it that they will throw it away.

It is valued so dear by those that don't have it that they will die so that their progeny may have it.

As I say, freedom is a strange thing.

Greetings from NW Arkansas!

I am certain that Edwards and Barack Obama will be blaming us (as well as Ron Paul).

re: #176 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #149 Golem Akbar

re: #143 Maine's Michael

re: #133 experiencedtraveller
One doesn't force elections on savages and expect a working democracy as a result.

Well, yes, it's a process. Palestinian democracy may be an oxymoron now, but it's the only way those people will ever be free. The process has to start somehow, of course that is the problem, we all know that.

To add to your comment: we've been doing this for 231 years and still haven't perfected democracy. The Islamofacists are still living in the dark ages so naturally it will take longer.

I think the most important factor is that America WANTED democracy. Islamists would rather be slaves to Mohammad than free people. Some of those who want freedom over there aren't willing to grant it to others.

re: #126 Sizzlack

In this country if you dont like someones politics, you write an article for a newspaper or blog or magazine. You make a commercial. You give a speech.
In the Islamic world if you dont like someones politics, you simply shoot them or blow them to pieces. If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

Bodies. Lots of bodies. Nothing else!

re: #152 LANMaster

Few have the guts. Thank you.

re: #201 Eowyn2

re: #178 LANMaster

you've been lurking since 05?
or have you been waiting for the avatars to become available.

LOL I guesso. :)

re: #167 lawhawk

Not for the faint of heart - photos of the carnage via Getty Images. One of the photos appears to have been taken moments after the bomb detonated.

Pictures numbered 4, 22, and 47 (of 60) were taken as the bomb was detonated.

It should be intersting to see some of the comments at huffpo, DU and kos in a few hours when they start waking up

re: #164 bullrat

I love your avatar! Do si do? you must be from Ewwrope...

At Huffington Post it's mostly Bush's fault and his cronies fault.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The media trope is blaming Musharraf for the lack of security, as though the perps hardly exist at all.

re: #196 Sizzlack

re: #153 Spiny Norman

re: #135 Golem Akbar

re: #126 Sizzlack

If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

I don't know. The left seems to be only now starting to realize how evil communism was.

Except that most reviews take the filmmakers to task for not "showing" how that interference "created" the Taliban, al-Qaeda and led "directly" to 9/11.

No, the Left will never get it.

I suppose its because the left prefers to play the blame game instead of trying to figure out what to do going forward. At the time, the US did what it needed to do to win the Cold War. An unfortunate side product of that was the creation of the Taliban. I prefer to try and figure out what to do now that they exist, here in reality, than to sit around and bitch and moan about how what we did 30 years ago resulted in the something today. Thats just the unfortunate way of the world. While most of us are going to be concerned about where Pakistan is headed in the future, I have a feeling DK is going to be mostly concerned with finding fault with those they hate most. And then continuing to do nothing but blame that person for anything that takes place in the future that doesnt go our way.

This is a problem in general with society today. One thing I was taught is to not dwell on the past. You cannot fix your mistakes, but you can learn from them. Instead of doing something constructive people tend to blame others for their circumstances.

Everything bad that happens to me/us/them is someone elses fault. This give control of your life to others as opposed to you actually controlling your life. Personally, I don't want someone else to have that kind of power over me.

re: #212 Owl

re: #152 LANMaster

Few have the guts. Thank you.

True.

When the Moonbats finally come on board (like that will ever happen) it might be too late.

re: #185 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Im going with a state of insanity.

ROPMA

re: #192 kyle_st

ITs actually "Pieces", not "peace", so everythin is in order!

re: #208 LANMaster

Hey there. I could use some of your LAN skills to keep this bailing wire and string home net running;)

All hail mighty Microsoft!

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #126 Sizzlack

In this country if you dont like someones politics, you write an article for a newspaper or blog or magazine. You make a commercial. You give a speech.
In the Islamic world if you dont like someones politics, you simply shoot them or blow them to pieces. If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

Bodies. Lots of bodies. Nothing else!

We know 3000 is not enough.

re: #171 Golem Akbar

I know what you are saying, and in my heart of hearts I agree -- democracy is the only way. It is the journey toward that end that is both frightening and difficult. My question is can we force it? Can we expect it to take hold so quickly and completely in societies that have not had the transitional stages of representative, secular government?

re: #202 Golem Akbar

re: #176 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

To add to your comment: we've been doing this for 231 years and still haven't perfected democracy. The Islamofacists are still living in the dark ages so naturally it will take longer.

Excellent point!

Why thank you!

It's too bad that we live in such a "I want it and I want it yesterday" society.

re: #206 Maine's Michael

exactly.
jail time in Pak? death sentence.

She got the same sentence, it just took longer.

re: #172 littleO

Can anyone actually keep track of the serious world events that are happening all over this world's battleground.
I can see the isolationist view and the global trade and democrasation view.
But, Christ, I quess we will have to somehow split the difference. Which one of our ' promise everything' candidates can deliver.

In my view Rudy has the sanest policy, you can read it in the Sept / Oct edition of Foreign Affairs. Summed up: be friendly and trade with friendly democracies, be firm with enemies and don't trade. Don't support governments who can't govern. (That would be Abbas.)

Here is a quote of absolute genius from DU:

Progressive Radical (118 posts) Thu Dec-27-07 09:30 AM
87. When I first saw this on the news, my first thought was this was extremely bad.

re: #133 experiencedtraveller

Then count me with the idiots. Democracy is the only hope for humanity.

You're mot alone. Democracy is the last, best hope for humanity.

And it is true it is not compatible with islam- that is why it is so imperative that Iraq succeeds- to turn a closed minded society into an open minded society. For once- we must put the cart before the horse. Islamic societies do not understand the underlying principles of Democracy- freedom to them is chaos. So we show them it is not. It is a baptism by fire, and so far- it is working. Yes- Democracy is the answer- our last, best hope for all humanity.

re: #220 Eowyn2

re: #185 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Im going with a state of insanity.

There is that as well.

Or they ignore the fats because the facts are an inconvenient truth.

Democracy is a rarity in human history. Mostly it's been the strongest and most ruthless in charge, although to be fair, political and diplomatic skill has been as important for effective leadership as ruthlessness. Leaders who rule through terror and brutality alone are usually not very intelligent, IMO.

Usually, human society works pretty much like chimpanzee society. A strong, dominant alpha male who is skillful at manipulating the rest of the troop through reward, punishment, persuasion, force, whatever it takes, is on top. He gets the pick of the chicks, too. The chimp model seems to be the one most used in Islamic countries, South & Central America, etc.

Every once in a while people get tired of living like chimps and decide to stand up and live like men. But again, it doesn't happen that often.

re: #148 Gang of One

re: #108 Maine's Michael

Another idiotic plan of Condi's, this time fortunately gone astray.

And no one, besides the tag team idiots of Rice and Bush, actually believe bringing 'democracy' to pakistan will result in anything good.

I do not argue with you, Maine. I begin to seriously consider that maybe, just maybe, there are people in this world who cannot handle the complexity of democracy. I used to think that the very nature of the human soul yearned and thirsted for representative government, free and fair elections, etc. But it is dawning on me that in order for true democracy to thrive, a host of prerequisite attitudes and institutions must have been secured.

Perhaps this Bush Doctrine is a huge error?

I can't wait to see how the primary candidates are going to use this. This could be Hillarys! big chance or big mistake. Sorry the crazies were finally successful. I saw yesterday that security had stopped a kid with a bomb at a rally she was attending. I thought then that they will never give up. By the way, anybody celebrating this?

re: #218 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I couldnt agree more. Hindsight is 20/20, and while blaming other people for what went wrong might make your conscious feel better, it doesnt change the fact that something still went wrong, and is going to have consequences.

And our vaunted 'Russia Expert' should have been full on working on a carrot and stick plan to keep Russia from deploying a new generation of ICBM's, instead of micromanaging Pakistan's tribal politics or Israel's condo development plans.

re: #189 Shard

RIP Mrs. Bhutto.

Another fine person killed by the religion of peace.

She wasn't exactly a "fine person", but this attack is still savagery.

re: #218 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I once told a boyfriend that I am a weak fragile female and he laughed at me. Said I got one of three.

Damn. I want in on the everyone take care of me.

My comments on MM

I was browsing through BBC (slow work day) and there is a Have your Say where readers comment on stories. There was on specifically about the assassination. If you sort it by Reader Recommended, the comments are really spot on.
Interesting coming from the beeb.

re: #31 Spiritof1683

This exposes Pakistan in all its glory. A failed state, which back in 1954 was on a par with Taiwan. Look where we are 54 years on. Taiwan is a wealthy and progressive Westernised country, whilst Pakistan is a semiliterate Islamic craphole with open sewers, a 30% literacy rate, overrun with savages who'll do this sort of thing with no regrets - and much more worryingly - armed with nukes.

If I'm not mistaken, Pakistan was part of British India but was carved out to create a Muslim state when independance was achieved. Until that time it was governed like the rest of India by the British civil service, with all its trappings. My point? The only difference between India and Pakistan when they became separate, sovereign nations was that Pakistan was a Muslim state while India was not. The different results of statehood are clear. Draw the obvious conclusion.

re: #178 LANMaster

I think the islamists are smarter than that. They are slowly but surely taking over now without much of a fight. A large scale attack on the US migth cause us to actually fight back.

re: #230 Sharmuta

re: #133 experiencedtraveller

Then count me with the idiots. Democracy is the only hope for humanity.

You're mot alone. Democracy is the last, best hope for humanity.

And it is true it is not compatible with islam- that is why it is so imperative that Iraq succeeds- to turn a closed minded society into an open minded society. For once- we must put the cart before the horse. Islamic societies do not understand the underlying principles of Democracy- freedom to them is chaos. So we show them it is not. It is a baptism by fire, and so far- it is working. Yes- Democracy is the answer- our last, best hope for all humanity.

Let's not just say Democracy -- Liberty is the essential. Venezuela and Palestine are Democracies in theory, but they don't have liberty and protected rights. The governments don't have checks and balances - Democracy is too vague for me.

re: #231 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #220 Eowyn2

re: #185 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Im going with a state of insanity.

There is that as well.

Or they ignore the fats because the facts are an inconvenient truth.

I try to ignore the fats too because they tend to cling to my hips:)

re: #224 jcm

Clearly no amount of bodies is enough. 3,000 is way too many, but in since 2001, I imagine worldwide jihadists have killed at least 100,000 people.

re: #205 hillary clinton

If the current administration had not failed on universal health care. This would have never happened.

STFU and STFD.

Imbecile.

It's frustrating and almost predictable that her supporters are raging against Musharraf over this death.

The fact that this was a suicide mission proves that this was not the actions of Musharraf's secret police.

Besides - Al Qaeda are claiming responsibility for the assassination!

If they don't round on the Jihadists now, I have no sympathy with them.

re: #232 Tigger2005

He gets the pick of the chicks, too.

Saddam really was a dumbass then. ever seen his wife?

Assad ain't doing too bad, tho, ditto the midget king of Jordan.

re: #208 LANMaster

LAN Master- Where you at?
I went to HS in Fayetteville. Mom is still there.
(She sent me a stuffed razorback for Christmas)

re: #197 Golem Akbar

I don't think the vast majority of Americans care. As long as they aren't forced to deal with it - and can just go on watching Dancing with the Stars.

re: #224 jcm

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #126 Sizzlack

In this country if you dont like someones politics, you write an article for a newspaper or blog or magazine. You make a commercial. You give a speech.
In the Islamic world if you dont like someones politics, you simply shoot them or blow them to pieces. If this doesnt wake up the left to the reality that is the Middle East...I dont know what will.

Bodies. Lots of bodies. Nothing else!

We know 3000 is not enough.

It will take a city, and then it will be over.
But only for a while.
As the needed targets will not be hit (MM).

re: #245 Gang of One

re: #205 hillary clinton

If the current administration had not failed on universal health care. This would have never happened.

STFU and STFD.

Imbecile.

I think she was doing a parody.

It isn't bad news at all.

Bhutto was beloved by Carter and Clinton. That should tell you enough about her-- her ruling was never going to be in the US's interest.

Her assassination shows that alQaeda have moved more strongly into Pakistan than the US should like, but that is largely from the US pushing on the aQ balloon in Afghanistan. We have to expect to keep shifting US resources to bring them to battle wherever they 'breakout'. Bhutto would have been a less reliable host than Musharreff has been for non-declared presence of US troops.

It is a shame that another country can't solve their internal problems without resort to assassination and terror, but the loss of Bhutto is a gain for the US.

re: #249 Owl

re: #197 Golem Akbar

I don't think the vast majority of Americans care. As long as they aren't forced to deal with it - and can just go on watching Dancing with the Stars.

Thats something that gets me the most. The same people that choose to watch Dancing with the Stars over dealing with a problem are the same ones who bitch and moan when the people who chose to deal with the problem dont execute it perfectly.

re: #66 opinionated

Possible Civil War in Pakistan?

Nuclear Weapons in the hands of Rage Guy and his friends?

Screw it. We don't care.

We're going to nominate the Republican candidate who genuflects to the only issues that count, who says the right things about abortion and gays.

Sadly, many of those showing the most outrage over the Islamic Movement in Action will be the same ones who nominate said genuflecting pols...cant have them uppity gays and womenfolk killing fetuses! Those are so much more important issues than a nuclear armed Iran or uprising in already nuclear armed Pakistan. Thers is no hope for us I'm afraid.

re: #249 Owl

re: #197 Golem Akbar

I don't think the vast majority of Americans care. As long as they aren't forced to deal with it - and can just go on watching Dancing with the Stars.

Well if Pakistan dissolves into civil war and a few bombs disappear, they may start paying attention as the sky lights up!

A few observations from a local blog

re: #157 Thanos

Thanks, I did a search after your comment and found a press report.

re: #245 Gang of One

re: #205 hillary clinton

If the current administration had not failed on universal health care. This would have never happened.

STFU and STFD.

Imbecile.

Sarcasm tag only required for imbeciles I guess.