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Ron Paul Blames US Policy for Bhutto Killing

Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 2:02:26 pm PST

Ron Paul blames the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on the “interventionist” policy of the United States, and says Al Qaeda is justified in being “annoyed” at us. (Click the picture for the video.)

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1 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:03:08pm

Where's a chimp with a spear when we need one?

2 EC Marm  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:03:43pm

Ross Paul!

3 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:04:13pm

Leave our country, Congressman, at once.

4 ParanoidPyro  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:04:33pm

Yes......"annoyed" is the term that I would use to describe Al Queda, especially if I was aiming to be Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.........

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

5 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:02pm

Boy, the Bhutto assassination reactions are really taking a toll on the candidates today.

6 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:03pm

Jiminy freakin jumped up Xmas this guy is an asshat's asshat.

Somebody pimp-slap the Evil Leprechaun before he speaks again!

7 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:04pm

No politician deserves to lose more in this election than Ron Paul. The sooner the better. I hope he loses his congressional seat, too.

8 Ma Sands  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:05pm

re: #1 meMarc

Too many levels to that......but it's still funny..... :)

9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:13pm

re: #4 ParanoidPyro

Yes......"annoyed" is the term that I would use to describe Al Queda, especially if I was aiming to be Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.........

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

4) all of the above

10 maddogg  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:34pm

Consummate dipshit.

11 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:39pm

re: #4 ParanoidPyro

Yes......"annoyed" is the term that I would use to describe Al Queda, especially if I was aiming to be Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.........

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

You need "4"-All of the above.

12 garycooper  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:58pm

What an incredible douche, is Paul. Even as comic-relief, he's tedious and predictable. Perot may have been "quirky," but he wasn't a complete imbecile like this guy.

13 Andy Dufresne  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:05:59pm

The biggest mystery is how this clown has been re-elected by the people in his Texas district over and over again. Perhaps that's the most shameful thing with Ron Paul.

14 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:06:01pm

I understand the crazy Paul character more than I do women.

15 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:06:09pm

Maybe he can get Ward Churchill to sign on as his running-mate.

16 tommygum  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:06:13pm

Fucking idiot!

17 Salem  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:06:23pm

The next debate should be fun...

18 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:06:51pm

re: #4 ParanoidPyro

Yes......"annoyed" is the term that I would use to describe Al Queda, especially if I was aiming to be Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.........

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

4. All of the above

19 EC Marm  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:06:51pm
says Al Qaeda is justified


What side is this fella on? I thought I'd never see an American udder those words.

/ yeah, I know, I spelled it wrong. But it seems more appropriate.

20 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:07:11pm

re: #15 Ringo the Gringo

Maybe he can get Ward Churchill to sign on as his running-prime mate.

21 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:08:11pm

That Ron Paul momentum keeps building!

More-Ron! More-Ron! More-Ron! Eba Cnhy!

22 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:08:25pm

Paul/Kucinich for President! This is the UFO ticket.

23 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:08:33pm

re: #4 ParanoidPyro

Yes......"annoyed" is the term that I would use to describe Al Queda, especially if I was aiming to be Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.........

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

Yep...

24 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:08:42pm

Shame on him!

25 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:09:03pm

What a sodding idiot.

26 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:09:10pm

Rudy Giuliani on Michael Medved right now.

27 Gagdad Bob  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:09:33pm

The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.

28 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:09:42pm

On the same page there is the Thompson reaction and statement. Thompson needs to roundhouse kick Ron Paul in the spleen.

29 LoneStarLizard  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:07pm

I understand what he's saying about our support for Musharraf.. It is sad when a military dictator is the "lesser evil".. But I believe that in the circumstances, the military dictator is the lesser evil. Just the thought of al queda trying to overthrow a goverment in a nuclear muslim country is the stuff nightmares are made of. In this situation, I think the status quo is the best we can hope for.

As far as the US being responsible for Bhutto's assasination, I really don't see how you would reach that conclusion. I disagree when he says that we shouldn't be further involved over there.. As long as OBL, al queda and the taliban are there it is very much our business and we should be working with the pakistanis to take them out.

30 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:12pm
31 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:21pm

re: #27 Gagdad Bob

The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.


Libertarians wouldn't stop a 3-year old child from buying heroin on the street.

32 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:23pm

He's going to have a hard time choosing between Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan for his VP.

33 AuldTrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:41pm

Didn't Huckabee apologize, too?

34 tappin52  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:45pm

Oh brother, I saw this one coming. The remarkable issue to me, however, is that this scrambled-brained moron is in the Congress at all.

35 Nicely Nicely  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:10:56pm

Just when I think Ron Paul can say nothing more stupid....out drops another load of crap from his stupid-ass pie hole........Why Oh Why don't the Paulians see him for the royally demented, crazy ass, bat shit nut job that he is?

36 zmdavid  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:01pm

Like I said earlier today: Ron Paul is the Lord of the Kooks.

37 jcm  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:03pm

Puck Ron Faul.

38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:08pm

re: #22 Golem Akbar

Paul/Kucinich for President! This is the UFO ticket.

With Rosie as Press Secretary, Chompsky for State Dept, and Medea Benjamin for Defense secretary

39 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:08pm

BTW, that idiot Huckabee actually APOLOGIZED to Pakistan for Bhutto's assassination!

40 m  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:30pm

[self deleted]! ! ! !

41 Silhouette  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:39pm

If we have ever talked to a country in any form, we have "intervened" and all evil perpetuated therein is our fault.

If we have had nothing to do with a country, our racist selfishness has caused all suffering in the country and all evil perpetuated therein is our fault.

Thank you students. Class dismissed. See everyone at the Free Mumia protest this evening.

42 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:40pm

Rudy says the blame America crowd is crazy nuts. (not a direct quote). Go Rudy!

43 Perplexed  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:11:49pm

Ron Paul = pretty damned disgusting example of humanity

44 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:12:03pm

No wonder the Iranians dig Crazy Uncle Ron.

All the candidates reactions at CNN.

45 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:12:14pm
46 SlartyBartfast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:12:26pm

New Ron Paul campaign poster here.

He's obviously trying to lock down the stoner, moonbat, and asshat vote.

47 Ma Sands  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:12:28pm

re: #30 taxfreekiller

tfk, can't you see? --he's just too gentle to use any word stronger than that!


/

48 DaMav  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:12:29pm

re: #13 Andy Dufresne

That's exactly what crossed through my mind. This jerk actually represents a district in Texas.

Sure, he says some things that make sense too, but on foreign policy he seems to be to the left of Jimmy Carter. And that poisons the well.

49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:12:52pm

re: #39 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, that idiot Huckabee actually APOLOGIZED to Pakistan for Bhutto's assassination!

The only apology we should offer is "sorry you can't control the barbaric savages you've coddled over the years."

50 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:05pm

re: #12 garycooper

What an incredible douche, is Paul. Even as comic-relief, he's tedious and predictable. Perot may have been "quirky," but he wasn't a complete imbecile like this guy.


* * *

Perot as a private citizen sent his own troops to rescue his EDS employees from Tehran's terrorists, while President Carter sat in his rocker refusing to intervene to save American lives.

Perot as President would not have been a cowardly isolationist as is RP and his followers.

Weakness is provocative to terrorists.

51 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:11pm

re: #43 Perplexed

Ron Paul = pretty damned disgusting example of humanity

He's probably a decent-enough doctor.

52 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:14pm

re: #7 Lawrence Schmerel

No politician deserves to lose more in this election than Ron Paul. The sooner the better. I hope he loses his congressional seat, too.


He just might, he has a Libertarian running against him.

53 ParanoidPyro  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:29pm

re: #35 Nicely Nicely

Just when I think Ron Paul can say nothing more stupid....out drops another load of crap from his stupid-ass pie hole........Why Oh Why don't the Paulians see him for the royally demented, crazy ass, bat shit nut job that he is?

Unfortunately, they agree with him. What he says is a reflection of his true supporters, you know, the 2.3% (or so) of pollers who actually let this guy pretend he's anybody of significance. At least when Tancredo realized that he wasn't getting any significant traction he dropped out to prevent himself from becoming a distraction......Ron Paul actually believes he is "The Answer" (which makes him about as egotistical and delusional as Allen Iverson, who is also "The Answer").

54 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:42pm

re: #35 Nicely Nicely

Just when I think Ron Paul can say nothing more stupid....out drops another load of crap from his stupid-ass pie hole........Why Oh Why don't the Paulians see him for the royally demented, crazy ass, bat shit nut job that he is?

Because they're just like him.

55 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:54pm
56 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:13:59pm

re: #22 Golem Akbar

Paul/Kucinich for President! This is the UFO ticket.

More like the FU (f'ed up) ticket.

57 BoondocK5  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:14:08pm

Hey everybody watch me! I'm going to flush my candidacy down the shitter!

58 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:14:09pm

re: #33 AuldTrafford

Didn't Huckabee apologize, too?

Yes he did

59 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:14:30pm

re: #51 Golem Akbar

re: #43 Perplexed

Ron Paul = pretty damned disgusting example of humanity

He's probably a decent-enough doctor.

Yeah, if I were a women, I would just jump at the chance to spread my legs for him?

60 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:14:34pm

Well, like the billboard said, I googled ron paul. But I found I got better links when I googled asshat + douchebag.

61 konservo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:14:49pm

Who does he think he's kidding? We all know Ron Paul doesn't give a crap about Bhutto's death! But then again, he wouldn't pass up an opportunity to blame the U.S. for any and all acts of international Islamic terror.

Disgraceful.

62 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:14:56pm

Rudy is pointing out that the democrats never discussed Islamofascism during their debates. Only the Republicans did that.

63 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:01pm

Charles: When I hit the vid link it plays one of Benazir's relatives here in the states instead of RP....

64 winston06  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:25pm

This Neo-Nazi uncle Paul is a clueless moron, I am sorry to say!

65 AuldTrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:26pm

re: #58 Thanos

Maybe their campaigns are on the same path ...

66 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:27pm

Another steaming pile of Troof from the new face of insanity.

This ass is getting more and more overt. His colors are showing a little around the edges. His eyes are giving away his inner self.

This man is dangerously insane and hates this country.

IMNSHO

67 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:30pm

Did he even know who Bhutto was?

68 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:49pm

I wish that I could say that I can't believe that I voted for this idiot in 1988.

69 right_wing2  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:15:52pm

If he believes that Bhotto would still be alive if we were cowering in a hole somewhere like he'd have us do, he's further out of his mind than I thought.

Message to Ron: You can't negotiate with a rabid dog. Or a rabid pig.

70 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:16:01pm

re: #46 SlartyBartfast

No spears?

71 Nannuck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:16:20pm

This guy should not be allowed out by himself,let alone be
an elected legislator.He is nuts.

72 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:16:25pm

re: #67 livefreeor die

Did he even know who Bhutto was?

Middle linebacker for the bears- right?

73 SlartyBartfast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:16:58pm

re: #58 Thanos

re: #33 AuldTrafford

Didn't Huckabee apologize, too?

Yes he did

Huckabee's blog regarding Bhutto.

74 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:16:59pm

re: #52 Thanos

re: #7 Lawrence Schmerel


No politician deserves to lose more in this election than Ron Paul. The sooner the better. I hope he loses his congressional seat, too.

He just might, he has a Libertarian running against him.

I sure miss the old days when there was a box around the previous comment.

75 Nicely Nicely  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:17:12pm

Oh I wish I had the tin-foil concession at all the Ron Paul rallies!

CHA-CHING!

76 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:17:14pm

re: #68 The Other Les

I wish that I could say that I can't believe that I voted for this idiot in 1988.

That's okay, Les. Letting that out is part of the healing.

77 stevieray  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:17:18pm

Well, of course its our fault. Blowback from the imperial Jefferson administration with its interference in the culture of the Barbary pirates. Islam has never been the same!

/

78 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:17:51pm

Gosh, what will the Kos Kiddies do now that they said mean and true things about him?

79 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:17:56pm

It's time to give him the "at long last sir, have you no decency?" speech. C'mon Republicans, boot this nincompoop from your slate of potential candidates for leader of the FREE WORLD.

80 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:18:01pm
81 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:18:10pm

re: #75 Nicely Nicely

Oh I wish I had the tin-foil concession at all the Ron Paul rallies!

CHA-CHING!

But here's the web site.

82 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:18:43pm

re: #75 Nicely Nicely

Oh I wish I had the tin-foil concession at all the Ron Paul rallies!

CHA-CHING!

[Link: eclectech.co.uk...]

83 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:18:49pm

Ron Paul needs to start wearing a clown nose in public....and 18 inch rubber shoes.

84 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:19:07pm

re: #78 BenZacharia

Gosh, what will the Kos Kiddies do now that they said mean and true things about him?

Put on you biohazard outfits. We have exploding heads in the blogosphere.

85 formercorpsman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:19:08pm

Keep.

Talkin.

86 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:19:32pm

Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?

Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.

87 AuldTrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:19:41pm

re: #73 SlartyBartfast

re: #58 Thanos


re: #33 AuldTrafford

Didn't Huckabee apologize, too?

Yes he did

Huckabee's blog regarding Bhutto.

A retreat from his earlier apology? Or not ... not sure reading it.

88 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:19:45pm

re: #78 BenZacharia

Gosh, what will the Kos Kiddies do now that they said mean and true things about him?

Watch how soon they retract their nasty remarks on poor Ol' Ron Paul. He'll be their new hero...once their meds have been adjusted, again.

89 BartlebyTheScrivener  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:20:08pm

It's not just Ron Paul. One of Obama's senior advisors, David Axelrod, hinted that Hillary Clinton is at least partly responsible for Bhutto's assassination:

Obama advisor links Clinton vote and Bhutto death

90 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:20:13pm

Ron Paul = evil garden gnome incarnate.

91 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:20:23pm
92 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:20:27pm

re: #86 Rogue198

Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?

Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.

Unfortunately no--why do you think Carter is still a citizen?

93 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:20:52pm

Blame America First. SOP.

94 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:21:09pm

Someone here said something so perfect the other day:

For someone that says he is the only one to save America, he sure doesn't seem to like it very much.

or words to that effect.

So perfect for this evil leprechaun clown.

95 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:21:27pm

re: #93 rawmuse

Blame America First. SOP.

* * *

Jeanne Kirkpatrick would have cleaned his Blame America First clock!

96 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:21:35pm

Why are Paul and Huckleberry running on the repub ticket again?

97 AuldTrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:22:01pm

re: #96 Taqyia2Me

Couldn't beat Hillary.

98 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:22:02pm

re: #83 Ringo the Gringo

Ron Paul needs to start wearing a clown nose in public....and 18 inch rubber shoes.


Don't forge the bicycle horn!

99 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:22:16pm

Do we have any information on bills he has sponsored over the years? I'd love to see what he considers worthy of being law.

100 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:22:19pm

re: #62 Golem Akbar

Rudy is pointing out that the democrats never discussed Islamofascism during their debates. Only the Republicans did that.

GA- They were too busy trying to out-spend (using OUR money, of course) each other via massive tax hikes to pay for idiotic programs most normal people know will never work to worry about such trivialities such islamo-fascism.

101 recklessprocess  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:22:25pm

I blame Charlie Wilson. He never should have given those crazy bastards money for weapons against Russia. IF only those stupid liberal would have left Afghanistan alone then it would be Russia's problem.

/Sarcasm

102 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:22:47pm

Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!

103 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:00pm

re: #89 BartlebyTheScrivener

It's not just Ron Paul. One of Obama's senior advisors, David Axelrod, hinted that Hillary Clinton is at least partly responsible for Bhutto's assassination:

Obama advisor links Clinton vote and Bhutto death

Sending the Arkancide squad to Pakistan (or any other -stan) would be redundant.

104 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:35pm

Oh and Jessie Jackson on Fox is blaming Musharaf--what an asshole!

105 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:35pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

re: #86 Rogue198


Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?

Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.


Unfortunately no--why do you think Carter is still a citizen?

Carter doesn't claim to worship the Constitution...he actively calls for it's destruction...or at least America's

106 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:38pm

re: #96 Taqyia2Me

Why are Paul and Huckleberry running on the repub ticket again?

* * *
The big GOP's tent flaps were too loose? No one was checking IDs? GOP open borders policy? No litmus tests? They don't all drink the same Koolaid?

107 AuldTrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:43pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Have to see how things go, but could be: from now.

108 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:43pm

re: #63 Thanos

Charles: When I hit the vid link it plays one of Benazir's relatives here in the states instead of RP....

Count your blessings. That's probably a good thing, Thanos...

109 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:23:53pm

Yep.

Paul was on FNC a little bit a go, accusing the US of providing money and Arms to OBL too.

Fricking idiot.

110 Vanderleun  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:24:17pm

A douchebag filled with more and more spench by the minute. This man is a disgrace to the nation.

111 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:24:17pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!

That will give the Rage Family something to seethe about.

112 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:24:18pm

Hearing Bhutto say muslims will not attack a woman, because in islam to attack a woman is to burn in hell.
Hello, muslims attack their women on a daily basis.
and,
ronpaul is an idiot and should just go away.

113 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:24:35pm

re: #101 recklessprocess

I blame Charlie Wilson. He never should have given those crazy bastards money for weapons against Russia. IF only those stupid liberal would have left Afghanistan alone then it would be Russia's problem.

/Sarcasm

Hey, not bad.

114 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:24:39pm

re: #99 livefreeor die

Do we have any information on bills he has sponsored over the years? I'd love to see what he considers worthy of being law.

Earmarks for his district that he then votes against in the final bill on principle...so he can get his pork and oppose it too

115 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:24:40pm

OT - Grim milestone watch: US Military Deaths in Iraq at 3,900

I guess, with causalities down, they figured it might take too long to reach the nice round milestone of 4000.

116 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:25:05pm

re: #58 Thanos

Huckabee would also apologize to Islam for:

1. cloudy days
2. scattered showers
3. ham
4. odd smells in the refrigerator
5. mold on oranges
6. bright lights that shine through the window and wake you up in the morning when you are trying to sleep in
7. _____

117 Vanderleun  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:25:22pm

If only Time had made Bhutto Person of the Year people would remember there is a magazine called Time.

118 FlashingError3  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:25:25pm

Here in New Hampshire I'm surrounded by this idiot's followers.
Help!

119 fuseman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:25:54pm
If the GOP doesn’t police its own ranks and expel paleocon crackpots like Ron Paul, the Democrats will use the issue as a potent political weapon.


gop always uses a miss manners approach in everything they do. they won't dump rp because they fear the drivebys would take shots at a repulican lack of diversity. a recent example is lincoln chaffee. he was openly hostile to all things republican and the gop supported him -with funding- in his losing reelection senate bid for 2006. he did sane people a favor and became an independent during the summer.

120 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:26:01pm

re: #67 livefreeor die

Did he even know who Bhutto was?

Ron Paul: "Of course i knew who Bhutto was; The big brute was always beating up on Popeye. Good riddance to him!"

121 livefreeor die  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:26:07pm

re: #118 FlashingError3

Here in New Hampshire I'm surrounded by this idiot's followers.
Help!

Whatever you do, don't feed them after midnight!

122 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:26:15pm

re: #51 Golem Akbar

re: #43 Perplexed

Ron Paul = pretty damned disgusting example of humanity

He's probably a decent-enough doctor.

Oh I can just hear him:

Patient: "Doctor, I have an infection that needs to be treated."

RP: "Well, that's what you get for annoying viruses. You shouldn't have been involved with them anyway."

Patient: "Are you going to treat my infection?"

RP: "We've already wasted enough time and money on that failed policy."

123 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:26:40pm

On the plus side (there is one, y'know), when the dem candidates start to blame America, the Republicans can always say: hey, don't be such a Ron Paul! That'll shut 'em up.

124 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:26:47pm

re: #119 fuseman

If the GOP doesn’t police its own ranks and expel paleocon crackpots like Ron Paul, the Democrats will use the issue as a potent political weapon.


gop always uses a miss manners approach in everything they do. they won't dump rp because they fear the drivebys would take shots at a repulican lack of diversity. a recent example is lincoln chaffee. he was openly hostile to all things republican and the gop supported him -with funding- in his losing reelection senate bid for 2006. he did sane people a favor and became an independent during the summer.

Republicans are too nice.

125 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:27:10pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!

Makes you want to puke doesn;t it? Her dad was corrupt and she was kicked out of office twice for similar claims.

These guys can't get their stories straight when RUSH is on vacation, he truely is show prep for the rest of them.

126 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:27:26pm

re: #117 Vanderleun

If only Time had made Bhutto Person of the Year people would remember there is a magazine called Time.

lol

127 aaron  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:27:28pm

We interrupt for a link from the Car Swarm Early Warning System:

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
and
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The latter notes: "The operation was carried out with the assistance of the Shin Bet..." Meaning someone called in that hit from the ground.

The deceased is Mohammad Abu Murshud, aka Muhammad Abu Abdullah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (retired).

That is all.

128 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:27:43pm
129 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:28:22pm

re: #86 Rogue198

Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?

Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.

If we stripped the citizenship of every asshole, this would be a much less populate nation.

130 1SG(ret)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:28:31pm

Have heard for years, Everything in Texas is Bigger. We know for sure their Assholes are bigger.

Top

131 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:28:43pm

What an absolute total piece of shit. I hope I'm not being unclear here.

132 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:29:37pm

re: #128 taxfreekiller
Agreed.
We'll get out of Iraq when they get out of the Bushmill's.

133 BartlebyTheScrivener  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:29:55pm

re: #101 recklessprocess

I blame Charlie Wilson. He never should have given those crazy bastards money for weapons against Russia. IF only those stupid liberal would have left Afghanistan alone then it would be Russia's problem.

/Sarcasm

Actually, it was Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski (who is currently serving as Obama's foreign policy adviser) who created the Mujahideen mostly by whipping up Islamic zealots in Pakistan who were a severe minority at the time (and still are a minority but much larger than they were prior to Carter creating the Mujahideen). The Mujahideen created Osama bin Laden as a Jihadist and provided the basis for both al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Nice going Jimmy!

134 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:29:56pm

re: #125 Dotcoman

re: #102 Nevergiveup


Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!

Makes you want to puke doesn;t it? Her dad was corrupt and she was kicked out of office twice for similar claims.

These guys can't get their stories straight when RUSH is on vacation, he truely is show prep for the rest of them.


That's what I thought. I couldn't understand why Pakistan was even thinking of her again. And, why she was given airtime here.

135 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:30:07pm

Woah.

Scroll way down on that World Page and check the Christmas Ghetto video.

"the suffocating security wall"

Mickey in a "Peace Scarf".

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

136 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:30:09pm

re: #129 MandyManners

re: #86 Rogue198


Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?

Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.


If we stripped the citizenship of every asshole, this would be a much less populate nation.

And the downside?

137 mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:30:47pm
Click the picture for the video

No thanks. Trying to cut down.

138 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:30:53pm

re: #113 Golem Akbar

re: #101 recklessprocess

I blame Charlie Wilson. He never should have given those crazy bastards money for weapons against Russia. IF only those stupid liberal would have left Afghanistan alone then it would be Russia's problem.

/Sarcasm

Hey, not bad.

Yep, Yep.

Yeah, and just what sort of Democrat was Charlie anyway.

Did you know he got his start in covert fighting, by going after Jimmy Carter's backing of the Sandinista rebels?

That sort of Democrat sure is an alien to the party today that's for sure.

139 gop_patriot  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:31:12pm

re: #135 Thanos

which link?

140 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:31:19pm

I blame trial lawyers and the high cost of medical malpractice insurance for driving RP out of the OR and into politics.

Somewhere a village is missing it's medicine man.

141 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:32:06pm

To Luap Nor

uoy kcuf

142 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:32:06pm

re: #114 Rogue198

so he can get his pork and oppose it too

Leave it alone, Mandy. Just walk away.

143 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:32:13pm

Admiral Fallon's preoccupation with Pakistan is beginning to look prescient.

144 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:32:43pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

What an absolute total piece of shit. I hope I'm not being unclear here.


Let 'em blather. It's protected speech, even though incredibly stupid and hateful. I just want some democratic candidate to sound off like that. I'll say: You are such a Ron Paul! [what a put-down]

145 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:01pm

re: #142 MandyManners

re: #114 Rogue198


so he can get his pork and oppose it too

Leave it alone, Mandy. Just walk away.


chicken ;) :p

146 FlashingError3  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:06pm

re: #121 livefreeor die

I feel like one of those characters in Invasion of the Body Snatchers who has to pretend to be like one of them.
I'm scared I'll slip up and say something logical.
I'm scared. I'm really scared.

147 Catttt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:07pm

Make Ron Paullllll go away---
And get him off of my TeeeeVeeeee.
Nominate someone like Reagan...
And make Ron Pauuuuullll go away.

148 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:10pm

re: #120 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #67 livefreeor die


Did he even know who Bhutto was?

Ron Paul: "Of course i knew who Bhutto was; The big brute was always beating up on Popeye. Good riddance to him!"

LOL!

149 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:31pm

re: #139 gop_patriot

re: #135 Thanos

which link?


It's on the CNN world video page that Charles has linked to the picture above, scroll way down on the world page.

150 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:32pm

re: #127 aaron

Oh good! Nice to see someone's missiles are hitting the right targets today.

Nice shooting boys!

151 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:57pm

NEWSFLASH:

A CHIMP JUST INVENTED THE SLOTTED SPOON.
In other news, Ron Paul still flinging shit.

152 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:33:58pm
153 descolada9  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:34:14pm

I heard the asshat on Fox News earlier and about got sick listening to him. He really needs to be marginalized and I had hoped that his links to white supremacists groups would have done that. He's like a cancer, though, hard to get rid of.

154 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:34:18pm
155 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:34:25pm

re: #134 newsjunkie_ky

She was pushed on Pakistan and Mussaraf by our very own State Department aided by President Bush. I guess no one saw the inevitable outcome of said policy.

156 Ahat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:35:27pm

I knew it'll come - her assassination is the fault of the US, her assassination is George Bush's fault. Now someone just has to find how it's the fault of Israel and the Jews. It'll come too, don't doubt it.

157 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:35:32pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

What an absolute total piece of shit. I hope I'm not being unclear here.

I'm not sure. Could you clarify?

158 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:36:16pm

re: #136 Rogue198

re: #129 MandyManners


re: #86 Rogue198

Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?
Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.

If we stripped the citizenship of every asshole, this would be a much less populate nation.

And the downside?

Everyone can be an asshole at times.

159 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:36:21pm

re: #138 Dotcoman

re: #113 Golem Akbar


re: #101 recklessprocess

I blame Charlie Wilson. He never should have given those crazy bastards money for weapons against Russia. IF only those stupid liberal would have left Afghanistan alone then it would be Russia's problem.

/Sarcasm


Hey, not bad.

Yep, Yep.

Yeah, and just what sort of Democrat was Charlie anyway.

Did you know he got his start in covert fighting, by going after Jimmy Carter's backing of the Sandinista rebels?

That sort of Democrat sure is an alien to the party today that's for sure.

I was a hold-out Truman/JFK democrat until Jimmy Carter. Been either independent or Republican ever since. When the democrats start being pro-democracy again, I'll give them an honest listening to.

160 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:36:39pm

Paul's logic goes something like this: If we hadn't given support to the dictator Musharrif after 9/11 then......then.....

Then what ?

His train of logic runs straight off the track.

161 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:36:44pm

re: #141 shug

To Luap Nor

uoy kcuf



What a sweet, right-from-the-heart sentiment!

162 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:36:53pm

re: #145 Rogue198

re: #142 MandyManners


re: #114 Rogue198

so he can get his pork and oppose it too

Leave it alone, Mandy. Just walk away.

chicken ;) :p

After the Brazil nut thread the other day, I sure am.

163 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:36:58pm

re: #134 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Dotcoman


re: #102 Nevergiveup

Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!

Makes you want to puke doesn;t it? Her dad was corrupt and she was kicked out of office twice for similar claims.
These guys can't get their stories straight when RUSH is on vacation, he truely is show prep for the rest of them.

That's what I thought. I couldn't understand why Pakistan was even thinking of her again. And, why she was given airtime here.

* * *
I admit posting here a long time ago that it would be great to have the articulate, seemingly pro-Western Bhutto back in electoral politics. I thought it would show a new generation of women in Southeast Asia there was a place for them in politics--which is forbidden by islam you know. Al Qaeda has said people have no business in politics, only mullahs get to play Allah.

Iraqis deserve credit for trying to grow a new generation of politicians from scratch despite Al Qaeda's death threats.

164 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:37:08pm

re: #134 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Dotcoman

re: #102 Nevergiveup


Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!


Makes you want to puke doesn;t it? Her dad was corrupt and she was kicked out of office twice for similar claims.These guys can't get their stories straight when RUSH is on vacation, he truely is show prep for the rest of them.


That's what I thought. I couldn't understand why Pakistan was even thinking of her again. And, why she was given airtime here.

She was a friend of Hitlary Clinton, that would explain why the rogue US State Dept would have liked to back her.

All she was really doing, near as I can figure was to give Musharraf more ulcers. Like that poor guy really needed anyone else eating at his shorts?

165 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:37:13pm

re: #158 MandyManners

re: #136 Rogue198


re: #129 MandyManners

re: #86 Rogue198

Have I mentioned how much I hate this....creature?
Is there anything in his twisted version of the Constitution that allows the stripping of citizenship from someone? Cause his needs to be.

If we stripped the citizenship of every asshole, this would be a much less populate nation.

And the downside?

Everyone can be an asshole at times.

point

166 Former Belgian  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:37:43pm

I am ashamed to belong to the same species as that intellectual autofellator.

167 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:37:55pm

re: #162 MandyManners

re: #145 Rogue198


re: #142 MandyManners

re: #114 Rogue198

so he can get his pork and oppose it too

Leave it alone, Mandy. Just walk away.

chicken ;) :p

After the Brazil nut thread the other day, I sure am.


I must have missed that...pity

168 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:38:23pm

re: #153 descolada9

I heard the asshat on Fox News earlier and about got sick listening to him. He really needs to be marginalized and I had hoped that his links to white supremacists groups would have done that. He's like a cancer, though, hard to get rid of.

Give it a week or so, hopefully the caucus goers will catch on.

169 Golem Akbar  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:38:51pm

re: #153 descolada9

I heard the asshat on Fox News earlier and about got sick listening to him. He really needs to be marginalized and I had hoped that his links to white supremacists groups would have done that. He's like a cancer, though, hard to get rid of.

He's imploding. His campaign is now being supported by kooks and the kookier. I wouldn't worry too much about RP. Pretty soon he'll just be an asterisk in the 2008 campaign. Kinda like Barry Bonds is to baseball, right now.

170 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:38:56pm
171 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:39:01pm

re: #167 Rogue198

I blushed a lot but, got busy with some laundry.

172 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:39:34pm

Being an asshole is everyones right,but it appears ru paul is abusing the privlege.

173 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:39:56pm

re: #171 MandyManners

re: #167 Rogue198

I blushed a lot but, got busy with some laundry.

Hehehe...maybe it'll appear in some LGF Classics thread

174 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:40:39pm

The more the moron Dr from Lake Jackson opens his mouth, the more he sounds just like LaRouche, Momma Moonbat, and Osama Bin Laden.

This is the sign of a credible candidate for President? Blame America first and sympathize with the terrorist thugs? This is taking cluelessness to all new levels of asshattery.

175 maddogg[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:41:14pm
176 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:41:19pm

How about some Republicans stepping up and calling this guy on the carpet. Not just for this statement but also for his silence on his racists supporters.

Rudy, Fred, attack Paul and that Obama advisor. Hello...?

177 Racer X  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:41:27pm

It seems to me Huckabee misspoke - the word he was searching for may have been "condolences" - not "apologies".

Ron Paul is a f*cking moron.

Musharaf is no friend of America.

178 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:41:45pm

Cognitive dissonance writ large.

I wonder if the Paulians have thought about how "annoyed" the Mexicans will be if their guy manages to fulfill his promise to bring our troops home and have them seal the border? Lefty agitators already use the term "Hispanic intifada" to describe their threatened response to a crackdown of any kind, let alone the Paulian plan for our own version of the old east German frontier.
What about millions of welfare recipients when he shuts off their benefits? Public school employees? Student activists? The sixties would look like a fraternity prank compared to what would happen if student aid disappeared one fine day.

He isn't against war, he wants to bring it here.

179 alegrias  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:41:45pm

re: #172 Boondock St. Bender

Being an asshole is everyones right,but it appears ru paul is abusing the privlege.

* * *
Like many of our fellow citizens, he thinks playing ostrich is our country's highest obligation to itself.

180 big L  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:41:54pm

I knew someone would blame GWB before the afternoon was over.

181 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:42:17pm

I really want this guy to run Indy...

He'll guarantee a Rep win! It'll be Nader all over again!

182 Earth56  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:42:54pm

Ron Paul still thinks :

the world is flat

and there is cheese on the moon

183 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:43:21pm

re: #163 alegrias

re: #134 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Dotcoman


re: #102 Nevergiveup


Now Fox is calling Bhutto one of the worlds most influential women. Since when? The way things are going the Pope will make her a Saint soon!


Makes you want to puke doesn;t it? Her dad was corrupt and she was kicked out of office twice for similar claims.
These guys can't get their stories straight when RUSH is on vacation, he truely is show prep for the rest of them.


That's what I thought. I couldn't understand why Pakistan was even thinking of her again. And, why she was given airtime here.

* * *
I admit posting here a long time ago that it would be great to have the articulate, seemingly pro-Western Bhutto back in electoral politics. I thought it would show a new generation of women in Southeast Asia there was a place for them in politics--which is forbidden by islam you know. Al Qaeda has said people have no business in politics, only mullahs get to play Allah.

Iraqis deserve credit for trying to grow a new generation of politicians from scratch despite Al Qaeda's death threats.

Well there's nothing wrong with Women running or being in charge, it's just the judgment of the sort of women they are putting out there. Just like we'd never want to elect Hitlary just to prove some feminist ideal.

Gotta get past the gender issue and look at each candidate for what they really stand for.

184 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:43:25pm

re: #53 ParanoidPyro

re: #35 Nicely Nicely


Just when I think Ron Paul can say nothing more stupid....out drops another load of crap from his stupid-ass pie hole........Why Oh Why don't the Paulians see him for the royally demented, crazy ass, bat shit nut job that he is?

Unfortunately, they agree with him. What he says is a reflection of his true supporters, you know, the 2.3% (or so) of pollers who actually let this guy pretend he's anybody of significance. At least when Tancredo realized that he wasn't getting any significant traction he dropped out to prevent himself from becoming a distraction......Ron Paul actually believes he is "The Answer" (which makes him about as egotistical and delusional as Allen Iverson, who is also "The Answer").

Ron Paul IS the Answer!........................................... ....To the question who is the biggest asshole in the US.

185 SaneInMN  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:43:26pm

He needs a one-way ticket to Pakistan himself. Maybe then he can cozy up in a cave somewhere in one of the far northern provinces with those he believes are justified in murdering innocents by the thousands.

186 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:43:50pm

re: #181 Rogue198

I really want this guy to run Indy...

He'll guarantee a Rep win! It'll be Nader all over again!

re: #181 Rogue198

I really want this guy to run Indy...

He'll guarantee a Rep win! It'll be Nader all over again!

Bloomburg might be a better 3rd party for Republicans. I think he would actually draw more democrats than Paul would.

187 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:43:56pm

i blame Ron Paul for her death.........

/cutting to the chase

188 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:44:05pm

re: #5 livefreeor die

Boy, the Bhutto assassination reactions are really taking a toll on the candidates today.

Let's see... Paul, Huckabee, Richardson... three in one day is not bad...

Noted that Rudy was extremely fast with an announcement - he seems to me to be the person who seems on top of events more than most of the rest.

189 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:44:12pm

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

He isn't against war, he wants to bring it here.

Like many on the fringe, he seems quite fond of the 'we have to destroy it in order to rebuild it right' mentality.

190 Earth56  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:44:32pm

re: #180 big L

I knew someone would blame GWB before the afternoon was over.


you might just enjoy this site
[Link: blamebush.typepad.com...]

191 Rogue198  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:45:10pm

re: #186 Nevergiveup

re: #181 Rogue198


I really want this guy to run Indy...

He'll guarantee a Rep win! It'll be Nader all over again!


Bloomburg might be a better 3rd party for Republicans. I think he would actually draw more democrats than Paul would.

Bloomby's doesn't have the draw power of Paul for the crazies.

192 jimsaco  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:45:25pm

Wasn't it Condi Rice's idea to have Bhutto go back there, so she could be Prime Minister to Musharraf's President?

Insofar as we are mucking around in their internal affairs, and paying the bills, we do bear some degree of responsibility.

It's a lousy situation. On the one hand. you have Musharraf, a thug. On the other, you have the Islamists. We know what they're all about. In the middle are nuclear weapons.

So we deal with the devil.

193 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:45:44pm

re: #179 alegrias

re: #172 Boondock St. Bender


Being an asshole is everyones right,but it appears ru paul is abusing the privlege.

* * *
Like many of our fellow citizens, he thinks playing ostrich is our country's highest obligation to itself.

Unfortunately there are those polititions who do not realize that the 19th century is over.if we are to remain a major world economic power,the ability to project power is of paramount importance.An obvious adversion to using that power will be tested.

194 big L  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:45:59pm

Fred Thopson had a good comment, that it was not a simple situation and that Benzir Bhutto brought in the hope for democracy and that Musharraf has exerted stablity there.

195 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:46:03pm

re: #67 livefreeor die

Did he even know who Bhutto was?

lol

196 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:46:07pm
197 ArielBenjamin  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:46:11pm

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is not whacky. His absurd comments could not be better calculated to appeal to a very wide crosssection of Westerners who cherish the fantasy that Jihad is a reasoned response to Western evil-doing. In their minds, any foreign issue can be reduced (through a few bumbling oversimplifications) to a matter that would readily solve itself if only the West would become more isolationist. Many of his believers are intelligent, well-meaning people who have neither traveled much nor read much history, and who could never imagine that their support for him makes them indirect advocates of Jihadist terror. Sad, sad, sad..

198 Texas Joel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:46:14pm

You guys are all being too hard on Ron.
He has made some great strides in understanding the complex world around us.

Why, only last year he would have blamed Israel for Bhutto's death.

199 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:46:54pm
200 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:48:26pm

re: #159 Golem Akbar

re: #138 Dotcoman

re: #113 Golem Akbar


re: #101 recklessprocess


I blame Charlie Wilson. He never should have given those crazy bastards money for weapons against Russia. IF only those stupid liberal would have left Afghanistan alone then it would be Russia's problem. /Sarcasm


Hey, not bad.


Yep, Yep.Yeah, and just what sort of Democrat was Charlie anyway.

Did you know he got his start in covert fighting, by going after Jimmy Carter's backing of the Sandinista rebels?

That sort of Democrat sure is an alien to the party today that's for sure.

I was a hold-out Truman/JFK democrat until Jimmy Carter. Been either independent or Republican ever since. When the democrats start being pro-democracy again, I'll give them an honest listening to.

I hear ya. Now I ain't saying he as any sort of Zell Miller but,
Charlie Wilson was also the rare sort of Democrat that actually volunteered for Military service too. That sort of Democrat is totally alien, to people of my era.

201 AuldTrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:48:36pm

re: #177 Racer X

It seems to me Huckabee misspoke - the word he was searching for may have been "condolences" - not "apologies".

... blockquote>

Why am I not greatly comforted?

202 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:48:38pm
203 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:49:10pm

That's enough. Paul needs to be put on trial for treason, then either executed or placed into a maximum security psychiatric hospital.

What bilge. There are no words sufficient for me to express my complete contempt for this flaming hemorrhoid, except that if I were a hemorrhoid, I would be thoroughly mortified that someone might confuse me with Ron Paul.

204 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:49:19pm

Benazir Bhutto was born in Karachi, Dominion of Pakistan on 21 June 1953. She attended the Lady Jennings Nursery School and then the Convent of Jesus and Mary in Karachi.[4] After two years of schooling at the Rawalpindi Presentation Convent, she was sent to the Jesus and Mary Convent at Murree. She passed her O-level examination at the age of 15.[5] She then went on to complete her A-Levels at the Karachi Grammar School.

After completing her early education in Pakistan, she pursued her higher education in the United States. From 1969 to 1973 she attended Radcliffe College, and then Harvard University, where she obtained a Bachelor of Arts degree cum laude in comparative government.[6] She was also elected to Phi Beta Kappa.[5]

The next phase of her education took place in the United Kingdom. Between 1973 and 1977 Bhutto studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford. She completed a course in International Law and Diplomacy while at Oxford.[7] In December 1976 she was elected president of the Oxford Union, becoming the first Asian woman to head the prestigious debating society.[5]

205 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:49:38pm

re: #191 Rogue198

True - RuPaul, Mr. Cindy Sheehan (Lew Rockwell), and Momma Moonbat / Code Pink seem to be forming quite an alliance of convenience and idiocy that will draw out the fringe. Bloomy will just be Edwards lite.

206 1SG(ret)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:49:42pm
Wasn't it Condi Rice's idea to have Bhutto go back there, so she could be Prime Minister to Musharraf's President?

Not that I doubt you, but do you have a link where she states this?

Top

207 Lateral  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:49:46pm

Gads.
We should start referring to him as "Side Show Ron".
About his only real use in this country would be as a new Simpson's character. Only problem is his voice is just as annoying as the circus act he is calling a political campaign.

Side Show Ron [spit] (spit twice at that!).

Could this clown please have a stroke and retire before he destroys this nation with his lunacy!

208 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:49:55pm

re: #197 ArielBenjamin

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is not whacky. His absurd comments could not be better calculated to appeal to a very wide crosssection of Westerners who cherish the fantasy that Jihad is a reasoned response to Western evil-doing. In their minds, any foreign issue can be reduced (through a few bumbling oversimplifications) to a matter that would readily solve itself if only the West would become more isolationist. Many of his believers are intelligent, well-meaning people who have neither traveled much nor read much history, and who could never imagine that their support for him makes them indirect advocates of Jihadist terror. Sad, sad, sad..

the old ,if we talk nice and give em'some cash,they'll go away and love us argument.....what must pass for history classes these days...

209 Yank in the EU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:50:29pm

If the run for President of the Unites States doesn't work out for Ron Paul, he's a sure lock for a position as spokesman for Hezbollah or al Qaeda. Or perhaps expert al-Jazeera commentator on evil of the United States' Zionist-controlled "military-industrial complex."

210 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:50:48pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

He's expanding his scope......

211 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:50:54pm

Is there any way Mr. Paul can be escorted out of the republican party? You know like a drunken dinner guest. Fred and Rudy grab him by the elbows and walk him to the door. Rudy is too short. How about Mitt. Mitt and Fred grab him by the elbows and hustle him out. Take his car keys and call him a cab. Goodbye forever.

212 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:51:06pm

re: #199 song_and_dance_man

you are seriously disturbed..and i hate you that i didn't think of that first.

213 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:51:11pm

re: #180 big L

I knew someone would blame GWB before the afternoon was over.

Oh you can wake up in the morning, fully rest assured that that's gonna happen as a given. In any topic under discussion.

214 FlashingError3  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:51:36pm

re: #196 song_and_dance_man

Thanks for the link. Funny.

215 cosmo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:51:53pm

Rep. Paul, let me be the first to pour you a nice, hot, virtual cup of STFU.

Drink up, asshat.

216 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:51:59pm
217 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:52:28pm

re: #204 MandyManners

Benazir Bhutto was born in Karachi, Dominion of Pakistan on 21 June 1953. She attended the Lady Jennings Nursery School and then the Convent of Jesus and Mary in Karachi.[4] After two years of schooling at the Rawalpindi Presentation Convent, she was sent to the Jesus and Mary Convent at Murree. She passed her O-level examination at the age of 15.[5] She then went on to complete her A-Levels at the Karachi Grammar School.


Christian schooling. That would piss off the mullahs.

218 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:52:46pm

Is ‘head-flushing’ considered torture? Our absolutely delightful GoP representatives could dunk, I’m embarrassed to say a representative from my county, Dear Uncle’s head in the terlet and flush a few times - just to clear-out the space between his ears, mind you - and shout, ‘Get lost, hit the road...Paul!’

And yes, for those who didn’t bother to take a guess, it was Dear Uncle who stated: US must stop provoking Al-Qaida

219 LANMaster  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:52:52pm

LOL You guys called it. The Paulians were on this track almost as fast as the Moonbats.

The more I hear Ron Paul and his followers, the more like leftists they sound.

220 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:05pm

Ron Paul has assumed the exact tendencies of an internet troll. He makes outrageous statements, and in order to keep up the same shock value, he must get wackier and further and further out there.

His place in history will be somewhere between William Hung and DB Cooper in terms of importance and fame

221 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:10pm

re: #209 Yank in the EU

Now replacing Baghdad Bob is Texas Jihadi Ron......

The only difference at this point between Ron Paul and Adam Ghadan, is that Ghadan's video's come from Pakistan and last an hour.

222 commander_vimes  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:13pm

re: #197 ArielBenjamin

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is not whacky.

Whacky is as whacky does

/ Gump

223 Crusader Rabbit  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:21pm

Sometimes you feel like a nut...

...but in Ron Paul's case it isn't just a feeling and it is apparently not 'sometimes' but all the time.

224 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:30pm

re: #211 meMarc

Is there any way Mr. Paul can be escorted out of the republican party? You know like a drunken dinner guest. Fred and Rudy grab him by the elbows and walk him to the door. Rudy is too short. How about Mitt. Mitt and Fred grab him by the elbows and hustle him out. Take his car keys and call him a cab. Goodbye forever.

not the size of the dog in the fight,it's the fight in the dog...rudy's got fight.

225 steveegg  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:43pm

Add Russ Feingold to the "Blame Booooosh" crowd.

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #4 ParanoidPyro

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

4) all of the above


I think Door #4 wins. Next poll (also up back at my humble home):

Who is more batshit crazy?
1. Ron Paul
2. Russ Feingold

226 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:53:51pm

Moonbattery on steroids

HuffPosters are up to nearly 2000 comments.

Some really crazy sh**.

227 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:54:02pm
228 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:54:05pm

re: #27 Gagdad Bob

The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.

Hilarious! I don't think Paul would feel the same if Surfside were nuked by Islamists. He's become what good libertarians fear ... a typical politician ... pandering to his uninformed nitwit believers. Paul is saying what his followers want to hear.

229 SaneInMN  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:54:13pm

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

230 gymnast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:54:20pm

Ron Paul is a reminder of the type of deranged teenager who goes berserk and murders his own family, only Ron Paul would rather murder his nation. Ron Paul and his Paulistinians are crazier than bat shit

231 1SG(ret)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:55:04pm

Sorry! My #206 was for #192 jimsaco

232 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:55:15pm

re: #229 SaneInMN

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

He's already there as far as I'm concerned.

233 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:55:46pm

re: #215 cosmo

Rep. Paul, let me be the first to pour you a nice, hot, virtual cup of STFU.

Drink up, asshat.

For Ron and his batshit minions

234 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:55:48pm

Love this one.

sparkey (See profile | I'm a fan of sparkey)
Sept.11 of 2001. Bush is out of Washington. Rice is out of Washington. Cheney is at an undisclosed location. 9-11 happens. Dec.27 of 2007. Bush is out of Washington. Rice is out of Washington. Cheney is at an undisclosed location. Bhutto is killed. Anything look familiar here?
Reply | posted 05:05 pm on 12/27/2007
235 cosmo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:56:05pm

re: #223 Crusader Rabbit

Sometimes you feel like a nut...

...but in Ron Paul's case it isn't just a feeling and it is apparently not 'sometimes' but all the time.

And in the case of Paul's supporters, sometimes you put your hands down your pants and feel nuts.

236 Jack Reacher  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:56:29pm
Click the picture for the video

Nuh uh; I just ate.

237 Psaturn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:56:37pm

re: #204 MandyManners


Mandy, she sure was well educated! I still did not understand the issue of corruption that she was blamed for and was convicted in the courts and that is why she had to leave Pakistan.

238 cosmo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:56:40pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks for the graphic. Good to the last drop.

239 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:56:53pm

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

Love this one.

sparkey (See profile | I'm a fan of sparkey)
Sept.11 of 2001. Bush is out of Washington. Rice is out of Washington. Cheney is at an undisclosed location. 9-11 happens. Dec.27 of 2007. Bush is out of Washington. Rice is out of Washington. Cheney is at an undisclosed location. Bhutto is killed. Anything look familiar here?
Reply | posted 05:05 pm on 12/27/2007

methinks everything sparkey looks at has all the qualities of a Picasso

240 jcm  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:57:32pm

re: #194 big L

Fred Thopson had a good comment, that it was not a simple situation and that Benzir Bhutto brought in the hope for democracy and that Musharraf has exerted stablity there.

Exactly. When you are dealing with things like this you take what you can get and work for something better.

241 Carridine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:57:44pm

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is...
uhm...
uh, lemme see...

242 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:57:47pm

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

The scientific method at its very best.

243 REDSTATE  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:57:55pm

re: #73 SlartyBartfast

re: #58 Thanos

re: #33 AuldTrafford

Didn't Huckabee apologize, too?

Yes he did

Huckabee's blog regarding Bhutto.


Trying to figure out what's really going on, I looked at Huckabees blog.

Here's the text from the blog linked above:

"I am deeply troubled by the news accounts this morning of Pakistani opposition leader and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s assassination in a suicide attack. This is devastating news for the people of Pakistan, and my prayers go out to them as we follow developments regarding this dire situation.

The terrible violence surrounding Pakistan’s upcoming election stands in stark contrast to the peaceful transition of power that we embrace in our country through our Constitution. On this sad day, we are reminded that while our democracy has flaws, it stands as a shining beacon of hope for nations and people around the world who seek peace and opportunity through self-government.

Benazir Bhutto's assasination should also stand as a stark reminder for those who doubt the nature of our enemy.

I believe that we are currently engaged in a world war. Radical Islamic fascists have declared war on our country and our way of life. They have sworn to annihilate each of us who believe in a free society, all in the name of a perversion of religion and an impersonal god. We go to great extremes to save lives, they go to great extremes to take them. This war is not a conventional war, and these terrorists are not a conventional enemy. We must fight the war on terror with the intensity and single-mindedness that it deserves."


That sounds like a pretty reasonable response to me. The third and fourth paragraphs are especially well said.

I don't know whether I'll vote for him, but what I've seen here doesn't steer me away.

244 Carridine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:58:22pm

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is the chimps are intelligent.

245 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:58:32pm

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

You are spending way too much time in the swamps Jammie. Be careful.

246 paint-right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:58:41pm

re: #237 Psaturn

re: #204 MandyManners


Mandy, she sure was well educated! I still did not understand the issue of corruption that she was blamed for and was convicted in the courts and that is why she had to leave Pakistan.

Someone in another thread said she married badly, poor choice of husband, implying he was the graftmeister .

247 sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:58:46pm

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

Yeah, something indeed looks familiar. You look like an asshole again, "sparkey".

Now go take your Gramma's trash out like she told ya to!

248 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:58:57pm

All this unrest in Pakistan should be quite a boom to the Israeli aero-space and defense industry.

249 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:58:59pm

Now I know they're really nuts.

VOTER (See profile | I'm a fan of VOTER)

Joe Biden will be on Chris Matthew's show this evening.

Having Biden on makes this show worthwhile viewing.
Reply | posted 04:51 pm on 12/27/2007

250 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:59:05pm

Who gave this barking, bat-shat, assclown a medical degree?

251 Carridine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:59:07pm

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is the chimps differentiate between friend and enemy.

252 slartybartfast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:59:11pm

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

Love this one.

sparkey (See profile | I'm a fan of sparkey)
Sept.11 of 2001. Bush is out of Washington. Rice is out of Washington. Cheney is at an undisclosed location. 9-11 happens. Dec.27 of 2007. Bush is out of Washington. Rice is out of Washington. Cheney is at an undisclosed location. Bhutto is killed. Anything look familiar here?
Reply | posted 05:05 pm on 12/27/2007

I think I detect the familiar odor of moonbat...

253 der_ich  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:59:28pm

Biden and Clinton made a good job. Huckasomething sounded like a moron and repeated himself about 4 times (Pakistan, World, Family,....). Giuliani was boring and for his own good he should stop talking about "making something good out of something bad". Obama couldn't find anything substantial to say. Romney didn't know shit about what was going on, so didn't Thomson. McCain sounded like a nice grandfather. And Paul was the only one who was clearly insane.

254 Carridine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:59:45pm

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is the chimps have an IQ of at least 55.

255 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 2:59:54pm

To Sparkey,

When the World Trade Center was bombed the first time Clinton was getting a BJ.
When the USS Cole was attacked Clinton was getting a BJ

anything look familiar?

256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:00:03pm

re: #241 Carridine

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is...
uhm...
uh, lemme see...

The Chimps actually produced something useful

257 Crusader Rabbit  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:00:16pm

re: #237 Psaturn

To my eye the moral is, "Be all you can be... so the jihadis will know who to put at the top of their 'kill' list."

258 jcm  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:00:37pm

re: #241 Carridine

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is...
uhm...
uh, lemme see...


Chimps use tools, RP is a tool.

259 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:01:06pm

Terrorists' new mission: Protect President Bush
Most active West Bank militant group in security team for Middle East visit

JERUSALEM – Members of the most active West Bank terror organization are set to participate in security forces being deployed to protect President Bush during his visit to the Palestinian territories next month, WND has learned.

Bush is due in the region Jan. 9 as part of a follow-up to last month's U.S.-led Israeli-Palestinian Annapolis summit.

During his trip, the American president is scheduled to hold talks with Israeli leaders in Jerusalem, and meet quickly with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

According to Israeli security officials coordinating deployments of forces with the PA for Bush's Ramallah visit, members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Fatah's declared military wing, have been called upon by the PA to participate in the protection of Bush's convoy and in securing the perimeter during the meeting with Abbas.

The Brigades is listed as a terror organization by the U.S. State Department. The group took credit along with the Islamic Jihad terror organization for every suicide bombing in Israel between 2005 and 2006, and is responsible for thousands of shootings and rocket firings. Statistically, the Al Aqsa Brigades perpetuated more terrorism from the West Bank than Hamas, according to the Israeli Defense Forces.

Many Brigades members, including the group's chiefs, serve openly in Fatah's Force 17 presidential guard units and the Palestinian Preventative Security Services; thousands of Force 17 and Preventative officers are slated to secure Ramallah during Bush's visit there.

A chief of the Al Aqsa Brigades in Ramallah who also serves as a senior officer in Force 17 confirmed to WND he has been tapped to participate in Bush's security. The chief, who spoke on condition his name be withheld, said he is slated to patrol the road outside Abbas' compound during the Palestinian leader's meeting with Bush.

(Story continues below)

The Israeli Defense Forces will protect the main West Bank highway Bush's convoy will use to approach Ramallah. Security for Bush will be largely turned over to the Palestinians once he enters Ramallah, although security plans are being heavily coordinated with the U.S.

According to Israeli security officials, over 6,000 Fatah forces will be deployed in three rings in central Ramallah to secure the area during Bush's brief stay, including Palestinian security officers who also serve in the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades...

260 slartybartfast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:01:25pm

re: #255 shug

I had to +1 that comment! Sick.

261 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:01:44pm

Tool making Chimp rhymes with Ron Paul Blimp

/just sayin'

262 Carridine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:02:01pm

re: #258 jcm

Y'all catchin' on! :D

263 Racer X  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:02:03pm

re: #255 shug

To Sparkey,

When the World Trade Center was bombed the first time Clinton was getting a BJ.
When the USS Cole was attacked Clinton was getting a BJ

anything look familiar?

Oh shit, wasn't Bill meeting with Pelosi today?

264 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:02:17pm
265 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:02:41pm

re: #245 experiencedtraveller

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

You are spending way too much time in the swamps Jammie. Be careful.

Not that much time. Few minutes here and there and comedy gold is not far away.

I have about 40 links at my latest post and only a couple kooks (Ron Paul and HuffPosters).

266 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:03:01pm

re: #263 Racer X


San Fran Nan's face will put Viagra to it's toughest test

267 Psaturn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:03:08pm

re: #226 JammieWearingFool

Moonbattery on steroids

HuffPosters are up to nearly 2000 comments.

Some really crazy sh**.


Wow ...interesting comments there....they sure hate Bush and Cheney and Halliburton with such a vehemence...they remind of Ron Paul's followers, but in a different way.

268 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:03:18pm

re: #255 shug

To Sparkey,

When the World Trade Center was bombed the first time Clinton was getting a BJ.
When the USS Cole was attacked Clinton was getting a BJ

anything look familiar?

A lot of assisted masturbating.

269 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:03:21pm
270 slartybartfast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:03:37pm

re: #261 shug

Tool making Chimp rhymes with Ron Paul Blimp

/just sayin'

Don't forget, Endorsed by a pimp...

271 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:03:49pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Keep up the good work.

272 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:04:16pm

re: #258 jcm

re: #241 Carridine


The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is...
uhm...
uh, lemme see...

Chimps use tools, RP is a tool.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA

273 six-gun-neo-con  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:04:41pm

Ayman al-Zawahri number 2 in Al Qaeda organized assasination activity beginning in October. The first attempt in October failed, this one succeeded.

Bhutto as Prime Minister would allow US Troops to enter Pakistan to go after AQ and Ayman al-Zawahri was determined to take her out.

************************************************

An obscure Italian Web site said Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told its reporter in a phone call, "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahedeen."

It said the decision to assassinate Bhutto was made by al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Ayman al Zawahri in October. Before joining Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, Zawahri was imprisoned in Egypt for his role in the assassination of then-Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

Bhutto had been outspoken in her opposition to al Qaeda and had criticized the government of President Pervez Musharraf for failing to take strong action against the Islamic terrorists.

"She openly threatened al Qaeda, and she had American support," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism adviser. "If al Qaeda could try to kill Musharraf twice, it could easily do this," he said.

**********************************************

I think we need to send in the marines. We know where the bad guys are, Pakistan.

274 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:04:54pm

re: #259 meMarc
WTF?

Wow. Did GW hire Lincoln's security consultant, or what?

275 yenta-fada  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:05:21pm

re: #197 ArielBenjamin

Paulians do not know what 'jihad' is. They know less about Islam than I know about Unified Field Theory. The difference being I have heard of the latter and know whether or not it is worth my time to investigate it. My goldbug sites are infested with Paulians of the Republican/libertarian stripe, not the anti-war leftist moonbat type. They want America back to the fifties when everything was wonderful. (unless you happened to be black, or had a mental disease, or homosexual, or Jewish, or foreign, etc.)
His FOLLOWERS are dangerous. Ron Paul is a symptom of a deeper alienation from government, the young, and ongoing global changes. They are all AFRAID of the present and afraid of the future. They ooze self-righteousness and shout for the liberty they would gladly deny others.

276 Joel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:05:50pm

This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.

277 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:06:27pm

re: #276 Joel

This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.


Al-Zwahari is a doctor.
So was che'
So was mengele
So is Howard Dean and Jim McDermott.

278 JamesTKirk  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:06:35pm

re: #27 Gagdad Bob

The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.

I can sympathize with the libertarians on many issues; but the isolationism and complete obliviousness to the realities of the world are and always shall be a deal-breaker.

279 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:07:06pm

re: #212 Boondock St. Bender

Actually, BSB, see post #120... : )

280 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:08:31pm

re: #279 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #212 Boondock St. Bender

Actually, BSB, see post #120... : )

I hate you too.....lol

281 DaMishMan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:09:06pm

Man...I go and do my job for a couple of hours, come back and find this latest example of RonPaulisms! I knew Congressman Ron Paul was a little unbalanced, but this takes the cake!

What is it about the left...whether Republican or Democrat or whatever...that feels it's necessary to hate the country that they were born in? The country that fed and nurtured them? The country that is the greatest example of freedom the world has ever known?

Freedom, I might add, that allows these lunatics to spout their drivel and fertilize the blogosphere, airwaves and newspapers with their brain's fecal droppings.

It's high time...and it's going to happen at election time, mark my words!...that the sane people of this country...Republican AND Democrat or whatever...throw these immature children from office and put adults in that will understand the nature of the enemy we face and are willing to call them what they are and stand up to them...and to destroy them.

Ron Paul was never going to get my vote, I decided that early on when he showed himself to be a truther. This only fortifies my decision.

282 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:09:31pm

re: #243 REDSTATE

The "apology" remark was made at a rally this morning:

Mike Huckabee strode out to the strains of “Right Now” by Van Halen and immediately addressed the Bhutto situation, expressing “our sincere concern and apologies for what has happened in Pakistan.” (emphasis added)
He said the assassination is a reminder that here in the US, we are lucky to vote “not with bullets but with ballots,” and said “I guess we are sometimes lulled into failing to appreciate the magnitude” of the democratic process.

I think it was a slip of the tongue in response to breaking news, but a very bad one nevertheless.

283 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:10:00pm
284 Green Helmet Guy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:10:41pm

re: #254 Carridine

Don't embarrass the chimps by comparing them to such a lower life form such as Ron Paul.

285 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:11:20pm

FYI, Victor Davis Hanson will be on Mark Levin's show to talk about Bhutto's killing at the bottom of this hour. Not sure who's subbing for Mark, though- Some chick...

286 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:11:23pm

re: #274 Sifty

re: #259 meMarc
WTF?

Wow. Did GW hire Lincoln's security consultant, or what?

"Good morning, Booth, Surratt and Powell, Presidential Security Consultants, how may we help you?"

287 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:11:30pm

Ron Paul: " Al Qaeda is justified in being “annoyed” at us."

Earlier he said the US used to fund and arm OBL, which is a lie and now he wants to legitimize what these guys think too?

What a f'ing Dumbass! Al-Qaeda and the Taliban have had a death sentence Fatwahs issued against Bhutto for a long stinking time now. Long before we got involved in it.

What an ostrich.

The Terrorists known as Muslims have had a hardon to kill Americans going back to the days of the Barbary Pirates. Seems to me that Paul being such a student of American History and so very fond of lecturing the rest of us on the Constitution and all, would remember that there was an author of the Constitution or two serving as President around that time too.

288 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:12:45pm

re: #284 Green Helmet Guy

re: #254 Carridine

Don't embarrass the chimps by comparing them to such a lower life form such as Ron Paul.

Good point.

289 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:13:23pm

Michael Savage discussing Ron Paul.

Just called him a schmuck and a Moron.

priceless

290 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:13:36pm

re: #244 Carridine

The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is the chimps are intelligent.

And would actually use the spears.

291 tripster  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:14:25pm

re: #278 JamesTKirk

re: #27 Gagdad Bob

The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.

I can sympathize with the libertarians on many issues; but the isolationism and complete obliviousness to the realities of the world are and always shall be a deal-breaker.

I believe that this picture says it all about his philosophy.

292 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:15:06pm

re: #258 jcm

re: #241 Carridine


The main difference between Ron Paul and chimpanzees who make spears is...
uhm...
uh, lemme see...

Chimps use tools, RP is a tool.

The chimps stab their prey.
RP doesn't make it past his own ... ur ... uh ... (foot?)

293 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:16:16pm

re: #285 Bob in Breckenridge

FYI, Victor Davis Hanson will be on Mark Levin's show to talk about Bhutto's killing at the bottom of this hour. Not sure who's subbing for Mark, though- Some chick...

FYI, you can listen to Mark Levin and VDH here

294 jcm  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:16:40pm

re: #287 Dotcoman

RP does set a low threshold. If being "annoyed" is sufficient cause to blow people I wonder what being "seriously pissed" justifies.

295 madisonsfriend  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:16:44pm

I had something bad at lunch and it made it sick. I blame Ron Paul. And I blame him personally for everything that goes wrong anywhere. It makes as much sense as his BS.

296 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:16:49pm

I wish just one, just one, of these wannabee presidential candidates would just say that " We should follow the lead of man in charge of the foreign policy of the United States of America, The President. And I would not want to intrude upon nor make his job anymore difficult than it already is. He is our elected leader"

297 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:17:34pm

re: #291 tripster

re: #278 JamesTKirk


re: #27 Gagdad Bob

The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.

I can sympathize with the libertarians on many issues; but the isolationism and complete obliviousness to the realities of the world are and always shall be a deal-breaker.

I believe that this picture says it all about his philosophy.

This one is far more accurate.

298 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:17:40pm

Every time I think Paul can't say something more stupid, he proves me a man of weak imagination.

299 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:18:21pm

re: #259 meMarc

Who set that up? Condi?

(Trust me, darling. You can't get pregnant the first time..)

I find it hard to believe GWB would agree to such foolishness.

300 madisonsfriend  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:18:26pm

re: #296 Nevergiveup

I wish just one, just one, of these wannabee presidential candidates would just say that " We should follow the lead of man in charge of the foreign policy of the United States of America, The President. And I would not want to intrude upon nor make his job anymore difficult than it already is. He is our elected leader"

I am not sure who is in cahrge of foreign policy anymore.

301 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:18:57pm

OT

A caller to the Mike McConnelll show actually did blame Bush for the tiger attack at the San Francisco zoo, claiming that Bush administration cutbacks had affected the height of the fences. (The enclosure was built in 1940).

302 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:19:10pm

re: #77 stevieray

Well, of course its our fault. Blowback from the imperial Jefferson administration with its interference in the culture of the Barbary pirates. Islam has never been the same!

/

Uh,

You do know that the Barbary Pirtates were sinking American ships long before we were even the United States, that don't you?

n 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then the ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the ambassador to Britain from Tripoli. The Americans asked Adja why his government was hostile to American ships, even though there had been no provocation. The ambassador's response was reported to the Continental Congress:

That it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Qur'an, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.[11]

303 tripster  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:20:01pm

re: #297 Athos

re: #291 tripster

re: #278 JamesTKirk


re: #27 Gagdad Bob


The libertarian position is clear: the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with people who want to commit genocide when annoyed.


I can sympathize with the libertarians on many issues; but the isolationism and complete obliviousness to the realities of the world are and always shall be a deal-breaker.


I believe that this picture says it all about his philosophy.

This one is far more accurate.

Well Played

304 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:21:07pm

re: #296 Nevergiveup

I wish just one, just one, of these wannabee presidential candidates would just say that " We should follow the lead of man in charge of the foreign policy of the United States of America, The President. And I would not want to intrude upon nor make his job anymore difficult than it already is. He is our elected leader"

Actually, Mitt Romney has said that...He said it to one of Huckabee's stupid comments.

305 Joel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:21:27pm

re: #277 shug

re: #276 Joel

This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.


Al-Zwahari is a doctor.
So was che'
So was mengele
So is Howard Dean and Jim McDermott.

Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around.

306 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:21:32pm

Judging by all of that; the F'ing Muslims ( and the rock they worship) declared war on the United States some time around 610 AD.

307 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:22:02pm

Another McConnell caller said to vote for Ron Paul because he would get us out of Africa and tigers would then have no reason to attack.

I am not making this up. (Tigers come from Asia, btw)

308 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:22:50pm

re: #99 livefreeor die

Do we have any information on bills he has sponsored over the years? I'd love to see what he considers worthy of being law.

[Link: www.vote-smart.org...]
[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]

309 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:23:26pm

re: #300 madisonsfriend

re: #296 Nevergiveup

I wish just one, just one, of these wannabee presidential candidates would just say that " We should follow the lead of man in charge of the foreign policy of the United States of America, The President. And I would not want to intrude upon nor make his job anymore difficult than it already is. He is our elected leader"

I am not sure who is in cahrge of foreign policy anymore.

Well the President is. If he chooses not to wield that power or wields it poorly we all suffer. It is his responsibility to protect us against all threats both foreign and domestic. It is not a campaign promise or a debating point. Upon his words,deeds, or action rests the lives of US Military Personal world wide and the well being of all Americans.

310 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:24:04pm

re: #305 Joel

re: #277 shug


re: #276 Joel

This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.

Al-Zwahari is a doctor.
So was che'
So was mengele
So is Howard Dean and Jim McDermott.

Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around.

His PHD actually made referfence to his odd love of killing young kids.

311 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:26:21pm

re: #306 Dotcoman

Judging by all of that; the F'ing Muslims ( and the rock they worship) declared war on the United States some time around 610 AD.

Our enemies won't be remotely happy until our cities look like the one on this Japanese island.

[Link: surfacebelow.com...]

312 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:26:45pm

re: #203 Babydoc97,

OMG! Love the avatar! Best I've seen yet :-)

313 The Shadow Do  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:27:06pm

Heard a soundbite from Huckabee a few minutes ago on Fox. He inferred that aid to Musharaff (sp?) should be questioned/cut off. Obviously our money has not bought sufficient security.

Very bright Mike. Knock the props out of the Paki government. Now's the time. That'll do it. Neophyte.

314 Former Belgian  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:28:13pm

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel

Another McConnell caller said to vote for Ron Paul because he would get us out of Africa and tigers would then have no reason to attack.

I am not making this up. (Tigers come from Asia, btw)

ROTFL! Sounds like biting sarcasm to me. Although considering what BS gets told in all earnestness...

315 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:29:08pm

re: #273 six-gun-neo-con

An obscure Italian Web site said Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told its reporter in a phone call, "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahedeen."

ABC and Brian Ross have this wrong - ADN Kronos or AKI is a publishing firm and news service that's been in business several years. They publish their stories in Italian, English, and Arabic, & they generally get the facts right with few exceptions.

316 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:29:13pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

That puts Huck in the same sandbox as Richardson.

I'm sure that's going to help him a lot........./sarc

317 WayDownSouthInBama  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:29:13pm

Ron Paul has just admitted that he agrees with the terrorists and is taking their side in this fight. He has taken the stand that the United States is the one at fault. When a person takes the side of a terrorist,he is aiding and comforting the enemy and has no business holding ANY OFFICE in our nation,and surely not President. Ron Paul needs to go ahead and cross on over to the Democrats if he going to talk like one. I'd vote for Hillary before I would Ron Paul.

318 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:29:30pm
319 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:29:54pm

re: #310 debutaunt

See why I love LGF? I learn stuff.

.."Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around..."

I spent my whole life thinking he was a Dr.

320 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:30:29pm

re: #319 Whiterasta

re: #310 debutaunt

See why I love LGF? I learn stuff.

.."Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around..."

I spent my whole life thinking he was a Dr.


he studied medicine and graduated as a medic

321 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:30:45pm
322 Omni  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:31:05pm

Let's annoy them some more and commence 24 hour drone supported B-52 and B-1 bomber runs in Waziristan.

323 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:31:34pm

re: #294 jcm

re: #287 Dotcoman

RP does set a low threshold. If being "annoyed" is sufficient cause to blow people I wonder what being "seriously pissed" justifies.

Exactly.

Paul likes to play the Blame the US game, and that it's all our fault for leaving our own shores, and yet turns right around and confers RIGHTS on the enemy. They have a right to be offended or a right to this or that. But you leave the shores of America and it's all your fault.

The Muslim religion was born pissed off and offended back when that manwhore invented it back in 610 AD.

324 stevieray  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:31:35pm

re: #302 Dotcoman

Yes, I am aware of that... I was making a point through sarcasm.

325 Blackacre  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:31:52pm

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

But where was sparkey? I question the timing.
/

326 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:31:53pm

re: #302 Dotcoman

Yep...which is nothing more than a continuation of the manner in which islam has behaved towards khaffir since the inception of this satanic death cult.

This war never ended after the last Crusade...it just went into a low simmering mode. This war will grow hot again due to the very nature of islam, and no amount of magical thinking by western pseudo-intellectuals holding futile beliefs in a muslim "reformation" movement will stop jihad.

The longer our cowardly leaders act politically correct today, the more ruthless the choices will be later on...unless you are willing to accept being enslaved to barbaric islamic thugs.

327 WestPack  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:31:57pm

Someone stuff a sock in this moron's mouth!

328 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:32:50pm

re: #320 shug

Of course, with the internet (Thanks, AL Gore!) there is no excuse for not fact checking yourself.

329 auldtrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:33:04pm

re: #317 WayDownSouthInBama

... I'd vote for Hillary before I would Ron Paul.

I'd vote for Ron Paul before Hillary, but - boy - that's a ways down the line.

330 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:33:08pm

re: #319 Whiterasta

re: #310 debutaunt

See why I love LGF? I learn stuff.

.."Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around..."

I spent my whole life thinking he was a Dr.

The "P" in his pretend PHD stood for pedophile.

331 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:33:27pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

OT

A caller to the Mike McConnelll show actually did blame Bush for the tiger attack at the San Francisco zoo, claiming that Bush administration cutbacks had affected the height of the fences. (The enclosure was built in 1940).

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel

Another McConnell caller said to vote for Ron Paul because he would get us out of Africa and tigers would then have no reason to attack.

I am not making this up. (Tigers come from Asia, btw)

I'm doubled over here.

332 The Shadow Do  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:33:28pm

re: #316 Athos

re: #313 The Shadow Do

That puts Huck in the same sandbox as Richardson.

I'm sure that's going to help him a lot........./sarc

And the difference is that Richardson should know better with his resume. One is ignorant, the other is disingenuous. both should be off the table and soon!

333 Canadian Guy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:33:54pm

Victor Davis Hanson is scheduled to be on WABC radio any minute now to discuss the Bhutto assassination

[Link: www.wabcradio.com...]

334 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:34:05pm

i blame ron paul for the bhutto murder.

335 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:34:30pm

re: #320 shug

re: #319 Whiterasta


re: #310 debutaunt

See why I love LGF? I learn stuff.

.."Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around..."

I spent my whole life thinking he was a Dr.


he studied medicine and graduated as a medic

I wonder how a person can go from medic to murdering thug.

336 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:35:03pm

Ron Paul statement summary:

"Terrorism works with me."

337 Cognito  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:35:30pm

Ron Paul is a moron. I am absolutely flabberghast that he has managed to find such a broad and loyal following. For a while I felt pretty sure he had duped a couple of hundred college kids into buying his campaign, but the money makes it clear that somebody, somewhere believes in the dude. Like I said: flabberghast.

(For what it's worth, Charles, "[Paul] says Al Qaeda is justified in being “annoyed” at us" isn't quite fair. I didn't hear him say that in the clip, and making that leap requires a bit of a stretch... Just being honest.)

338 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:36:08pm

re: #330 debutaunt

.." The "P" in his pretend PHD stood for pedophile..."

I had no idea Che was a muslim ........

Kinda figures, though considering Che and the false prophet have the same taste in women....

339 deadbackpacker  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:37:21pm

re: #330 debutaunt

Actually the "P" stands for Professional Human Destroyer. Because thats all communists and Marxists are good for!

340 Mr Spiffy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:38:06pm

re: #4 ParanoidPyro

Yes......"annoyed" is the term that I would use to describe Al Queda, especially if I was aiming to be Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.........

New Poll: Is Ron Paul...
1. Stupid
2. Batshit Insane
3. Fucking Oblivious

4. All of the above

341 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:38:21pm

re: #339 deadbackpacker

He was especially vile with kids.

342 Cognito  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:38:23pm

re: #338 Whiterasta

I had no idea Che was a muslim ........

Huh? I'm not here to defend Che by any stretch, but I've never read that he was a Muslim. And further, his family has strenuously railed against militant Muslims exploiting Che's name.... for what it's worth.

343 yenta-fada  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:38:28pm

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

344 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:39:08pm

This is linked at Hot Air:

Report: Islamic State of Iraq defense minister captured
By Bill Roggio December 27, 2007 6:09 PM

The Iraqi Army claimed to have captured the minister of defense of the Islamic State of Iraq, al Qaeda’s political front organization. Ahmed Turki Abbas was captured after being wounded in a skirmish near Mahmudiyah and “claimed the rank of defense minister,” Qassim al Moussawi, Iraq's military spokesman told Reuters.

Confirmation on the arrest of Abbas, which is also likely a nom de guerre, has not been given by Multinational Forces Iraq at this time. The Iraqi government has made claims of killing and capturing Abu Omar al Baghdadi several times this year, which turned out to be false reports or cases of mistaken identity.

Abu Ayyub al Masri, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, is officially listed as the minister of defense for the Islamic State of Iraq, according to a press release put out by the terror group in April. But over the summer, it became known the Islamic State of Iraq was the invention of al Masri, who serves as the emir, or leader of the group. Abu Omar al Baghdadi is actually a fictional character played by an Iraqi actor named Abu Abdullah al Naima. This information was revealed after the captured of Abu Muhammad al Mashadani, the former Minister of Information for the Islamic State of Iraq.

With al Masri serving as the emir of both the Islamic State of Iraq and al Qaeda in Iraq, the portfolio of defense minister was delegated to Abbas, a senior US military intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

After learning of the arrest of Abbas, Marvin Hutchens of ThreatsWatch.org agreed with that assessment. “For purely pragmatic reasons, Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Islamic State of Iraq need as many Iraqi names in leadership posts as possible,” said Hutchens in an interview. “They are selling their legitimacy as the Iraqi state and having al Masri known as the Minister of Defense hides his real role as the foreign leader of an illegitimate insurgent state.”

If Abbas’ capture is confirmed, he would be the third member of the cabinet of the Islamic State to be captured or killed this year. Muharib Abdul Latif al Jabouri, the Minister of Public Relations, was killed during a major battle between the Anbar Awakening and al Qaeda in the town of Dhuluiya in neighboring Salahadin province last May.

345 Onslow  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:39:36pm

If Ron Paul were a cop he'd tell the battered wife that her husband was justified in being annoyed at her.

346 wvobiwan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:39:37pm

I've been saying for weeks that Paul's nazi and socialist (Soros/Clinton) connections are the frosting. Paul's continual US-bashing takes the cake for me.

He's a disgrace. Does anyone know exactly where in Texas is his district?

347 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:40:01pm

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

If it annoys some people, then it is cool. Kind of like those terrorist scarves.

348 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:41:26pm

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

He took a good picture. Handsome leftist.

349 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:41:48pm

re: #342 Cognito

re: #338 Whiterasta


I had no idea Che was a muslim ........

Huh? I'm not here to defend Che by any stretch, but I've never read that he was a Muslim. And further, his family has strenuously railed against militant Muslims exploiting Che's name.... for what it's worth.

i beleive the comment was humor...pedophile=muslim male...

350 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:42:05pm

re: #346 wvobiwan

14th District - Galveston / Lake Jackson area down along the coast south of Houston.

351 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:43:24pm

re: #347 debutaunt

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

If it annoys some people, then it is cool. Kind of like those terrorist scarves.

Good luck getting a job (outside of a minimum wage coffee shop) with the solidarity-with-the-enemies-of-human-kind apparel.

/sarcasm

352 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:43:25pm

re: #348 meMarc

re: #343 yenta-fada


re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.


He took a good picture. Handsome leftist.

He took one...one good picture,in the rest of them he is butt ugly.thats why they always use that one photo

353 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:44:17pm

OT - Question to VDH - Which candidate makes you the most comfortable around illegal immigration? A=Romney or Guiliani.

Interesting.

354 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:45:05pm

re: #348 meMarc

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

He took a good picture. Handsome leftist.

Looks more apeish from other angles.

(Oh darn, I just insulted the Simian-American community!)

355 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:45:15pm

re: #352 Boondock St. Bender

re: #348 meMarc

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutauntWhat I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

He took a good picture. Handsome leftist.
He took one...one good picture,in the rest of them he is butt ugly.thats why they always use that one photo

ugly. butt-ugly in real life.

356 wvobiwan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:45:40pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

re: #317 WayDownSouthInBama

I'd vote for Hillary before I would Ron Paul.

"Excellent!"
--C. Montgomery Soros

Exactly, and Shrillary too. A big chunk of the money behind Paul is coming from the left, I guarrantee it, for just that purpose. The left wants a fuckwit like Paul or rube like Huckabee to face the Hildabeast. Anybody but Rudy or Fred.

357 tripster  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:45:41pm

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

Because their are way too many ignorant sheeple out there blindly following what they don't understand or refuse to know.

358 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:47:05pm

Any lizardriods posting from the radio quiet zone, VA/WV?

359 yenta-fada  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:47:10pm

re: #347 debutaunt

re: #348 meMarc

Good answers. Handsome and telling mommy and daddy to eff off.
Typical adolescent behavior.

360 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:47:15pm

Looks like Ron Paul is far from alone. The Slime magazine joins him.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

For you see, according to the BDS crowd, anything bad happening anywhere in the world is Bush's fault because he didn't do enough to prevent it.

361 stevieray  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:01pm

w00t!

Went to the post office today to check my P.O. box [no home delivery where I live] and I got a box from Amazon. I wondered what I had ordered and then forgot about... I do that sometimes.

I just opened it... its a Christmas present from my cousin... a book entitled "A History of The English Speaking Peoples Since 1900". Hot damn! Good stuff!

Payback for sending him "America Alone" for his birthday back in '06.

&infin w00t!

362 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:02pm
re: #294 jcm

RP does set a low threshold. If being "annoyed" is sufficient cause to blow people I wonder what being "seriously pissed" justifies.

If the wrong elements get their hands on the Paki nukes we'll find out soon enough.
// {:-(™

363 wvobiwan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:11pm

re: #350 Athos

re: #346 wvobiwan

14th District - Galveston / Lake Jackson area down along the coast south of Houston.

UFB. I've been there, doesn't SEEM like any tard-magnetic area.

I wonder how many in the 14th feel now about their vote for this dunce?

364 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:12pm

re: #352 Boondock St. Bender

re: #348 meMarc

re: #343 yenta-fada


re: #335 debutauntWhat I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.


He took a good picture. Handsome leftist.

He took one...one good picture,in the rest of them he is butt ugly.thats why they always use that one photo

You have a better choice of photos here:

[Link: che-mart.com...]

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:13pm

A very interesting comment by Tariq Ali on the UK's Channel 4 regarding Benazir Bhutto's assassination:

He said (trying to paraphrase closely) -- a good thing which might come out of this tragic event is that the PPP (Bhutto's political party) would no longer be dependent upon the Bhutto dynasty and would develop its own leadership, turning into a (full-blown) secular democratic party (rather than being tied to Benazir, who had some seriously dirty baggage in her closet).

366 yenta-fada  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:30pm

re: #352 Boondock St. Bender

I did not know that. Fidel must have been ugly in ALL the pictures.

367 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:48:46pm
368 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:49:20pm

re: #342 Cognito

That remark was made in jest. I should have added the sarc tag......

369 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:49:21pm

re: #357 tripster

re: #343 yenta-fada


re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.


Because their are way too many ignorant sheeple out there blindly following what they don't understand or refuse to know.

yo they're not sheeple,they're independent free thinkers,it's only co-incidence they all dress,act and unfortunately smell the same.

370 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:49:21pm

OT: The Blame Musharraf mob is out on the streets, PML-Q leaders are all in hiding.

* Destroy private and police vehicles, damage and burn down several transport buses
* Burn down election offices of PML-Q candidates Moonis Elahi and Abdul Aleem Khan
* Fight street battles with police – exchange stones and gunfire
* Burn down several houses
* Unconfirmed reports of four deaths

By Shahnawaz Khan

LAHORE: Workers of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) and other protestors let loose on the city on Thursday night following the killing of party chairwoman Benazir Bhutto in Rawalpindi earlier in the day.

They fired shots in the air and burned many vehicles belonging to the administration and the election offices of Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) candidates Moonis Elahi in Gulberg and Abdul Aleem Khan in Township Sector I. Protestors also tore off the PML-Q posters and banners in the entire city.

There were unconfirmed reports of four people having been killed in the rioting in Shahdara, Shalimar and Green Town. A complete blackout was observed in the city half an hour after Benazir’s assassination.

The mobs were small but furious, torching tyres, shops and houses. They also beat up many policemen and kidnapped several more in Nawankot. Authorities had to call in the Rangers and police personnel in reserve to control the situation, as the Lahore police was visibly distraught and had lost control.

371 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:49:36pm

re: #361 stevieray

I usually use the term "payback" in a negative connotation.

372 WayDownSouthInBama  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:49:49pm

re: #329 auldtrafford

re: #317 WayDownSouthInBama


... I'd vote for Hillary before I would Ron Paul.

I'd vote for Ron Paul before Hillary, but - boy - that's a ways down the line.

Yes,a lot of water will go under the bridge before the time comes and I don't really think it will come down to a choice between the two. Let's hope not anyway. But there is just no way I'm voting for Ron Paul just to say I voted Republican instead of Democrat. Ron Paul is a moron who is completely out of touch with the workings of todays world. He's living some pipe dream from the 1700's or 1800's. He's living in a world of wooden ships shooting cannonballs while the rest of us are living in a world of submarine launched nukes. He's living in a world of that no longer exists,not because of a failure to follow the Constitution,but a failure of the rest of the world to stand still in time like Ron Paul.

373 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:50:01pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

OT

A caller to the Mike McConnelll show actually did blame Bush for the tiger attack at the San Francisco zoo, claiming that Bush administration cutbacks had affected the height of the fences. (The enclosure was built in 1940).

Pre - infant, mind - ray. I read a whole article about it.

374 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:50:57pm

re: #346 wvobiwan

I've been saying for weeks that Paul's nazi and socialist (Soros/Clinton) connections are the frosting. Paul's continual US-bashing takes the cake for me.

He's a disgrace. Does anyone know exactly where in Texas is his district?

I want to remind everyone that he is from Pennsylvania originally and not all Texans are sane.

375 Psaturn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:51:13pm

re: #277 shug

re: #276 Joel


This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.

Al-Zwahari is a doctor.
So was che'
So was mengele
So is Howard Dean and Jim McDermott.


And so were the Car Suicide Bombers back in Scotland and London...

376 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:51:14pm

re: #361 stevieray

w00t!

Went to the post office today to check my P.O. box [no home delivery where I live] and I got a box from Amazon. I wondered what I had ordered and then forgot about... I do that sometimes.

I just opened it... its a Christmas present from my cousin... a book entitled "A History of The English Speaking Peoples Since 1900". Hot damn! Good stuff!

Payback for sending him "America Alone" for his birthday back in '06.

%u221E w00t!

i got "rescuing sprite" by mark levin, for christmas. but i'm nervous abt. starting it. everyone who reads it criess their eyes out. i'm told.

377 bulwrk  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:52:53pm
378 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:53:35pm

cries, damn it.

379 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:53:58pm
380 Biff  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:54:33pm

What galls me is that it was the western press that ceaselessly chastised Mushariff for postponing the elections because he said the climate was too dangerous. No one then was willing to consider that he knew what he was talking about, and no one today seems to recall that it was the MSM (and Bhutto herself) that forced Mushariff to have the election so soon, AND reduce the level of national security. The US MSM had been pushing Bhutto like she was Hillary East, and attacking Mushariff's security measures (like he was Bush). This is what it got them.

381 auldtrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:54:54pm

re: #372 WayDownSouthInBama

I guess my point was that Hillary is absolutely the last person (I can think of right now, anyway) I would ever vote for. Maybe before Bin Laden.

382 Leftfoot Leeds  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:55:23pm

The Hukster has been at it too today. He felt obligated some how to apologize.? Jeese

383 yenta-fada  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:55:24pm

re: #357 tripster

That is an amazing cartoon.

384 fsjonesy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:55:41pm

This sums up my thoughts on this perfectly.
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385 tripster  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:55:45pm
386 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:55:50pm

All sarcasm aside, can anyone provide me with some links to Che's pedophilia?

I'd like to shoot down the next moonbat I see wearing that STCHOOPID t-shirt.

387 deacon  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:55:57pm

i hate it when people such as Paul think of Al Qaeda as a nation that needs to be considered. They are nothing but a group of sick, demented people that are trying to force their ideaology on everyone by using violent means. When they become a nation, with diplomatic relations, then maybe we should consider their concerns, but until then, they are nothing more than a group of radical terrorists that need to be eliminated.

388 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:56:13pm

re: #361 stevieray

w00t!

Went to the post office today to check my P.O. box [no home delivery where I live] and I got a box from Amazon. I wondered what I had ordered and then forgot about... I do that sometimes.

I just opened it... its a Christmas present from my cousin... a book entitled "A History of The English Speaking Peoples Since 1900". Hot damn! Good stuff!

Payback for sending him "America Alone" for his birthday back in '06.

&infin w00t!

I'd like to thank the lizard who recommended a book called The Deluxe Transitive Vampire - it's very funny and informative.

389 Biff  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:56:29pm

Of course, if I were W today, I would be telling Mushariff to bring me the heads of OBL and Al-Zwahari. Hopefully, Mushariff's smart enough to know that's what he needs to do now anyway.

390 Shaky Louie  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:57:14pm

Ron (it's all our fault) Paul!
And people want this man to administer the country!?
Blaming GWB for all the problems of the world has become passe and has now been raised to a new level.
It's. All. Our. Fault.
Good grief, Charlie Brown!

391 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:57:19pm

re: #344 meMarc

Water? Check! Board? Check! Let's get to work!

392 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:57:28pm

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A very interesting comment by Tariq Ali on the UK's Channel 4 regarding Benazir Bhutto's assassination:

He said (trying to paraphrase closely) -- a good thing which might come out of this tragic event is that the PPP (Bhutto's political party) would no longer be dependent upon the Bhutto dynasty and would develop its own leadership, turning into a (full-blown) secular democratic party (rather than being tied to Benazir, who had some seriously dirty baggage in her closet).

unfortunately,bhutto's story is all to familiar,someone who set out to do good,and ended up doing very well indeed.

393 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:57:33pm

re: #385 tripster

I want a t-shirt like that!

No, I'm not kidding.

394 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:57:49pm

ESAD RP you F'ing imp!

395 Leftfoot Leeds  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:57:53pm

re #380 Biff 12/27/07 3:54:33 pm reply quote report 0

What galls me is that it was the western press that ceaselessly chastised Mushariff for postponing the elections because he said the climate was too dangerous. No one then was willing to consider that he knew what he was talking about, and no one today seems to recall that it was the MSM (and Bhutto herself) that forced Mushariff to have the election so soon, AND reduce the level of national security. The US MSM had been pushing Bhutto like she was Hillary East, and attacking Mushariff's security measures (like he was Bush). This is what it got them.

The MSM got exactly what it wanted...Headlines of death and destruction

396 MES41067  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:58:51pm

What an ass tard

397 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:58:58pm

re: #13 Andy Dufresne

The biggest mystery is how this clown has been re-elected by the people in his Texas district over and over again. Perhaps that's the most shameful thing with Ron Paul.

It's not really a mystery, there are several reasons.

1. He's birthed a lot of babies in his district. Don't laugh, thousands of them over the years, many of whom are voters.

2. He brings home the pork. He puts the earmarks into spending bills that are sure to pass, then votes against them on "principle".

3. Customer service. If you live in his district and have a problem with the feds, he and his staff will go to bat for you.

What I am wondering is this: can he run for re-election in his district and run for president on a third-party ticket at the same time? I'm thinking not but I don't know for sure. Anybody?

398 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:59:42pm

re: #389 Biff

Of course, if I were W today, I would be telling Mushariff to bring me the heads of OBL and Al-Zwahari. Hopefully, Mushariff's smart enough to know that's what he needs to do now anyway.

The problem is and has always been-- does Mushariff have complete control of his intelligence and military services and the collective will and ability to project that power to the areas adjacent to Afghanistan?

399 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 3:59:47pm

re: #311 The Other Les

re: #306 Dotcoman

Judging by all of that; the F'ing Muslims ( and the rock they worship) declared war on the United States some time around 610 AD.

Our enemies won't be remotely happy until our cities look like the one on this Japanese island.

[Link: surfacebelow.com...]

I don't think they will ever be happy, the rock won't let them.

400 meMarc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:00:28pm

Here is some sterling commentary from John Dickerson at Slate.com about the Bhutto assassination.
Yikes!

To the extent that unpredictable news about the dangerous state of the world helps anyone, it helps the "safe candidates" (Clinton, McCain, and Rudy) rather than the untested, roll-of-the-dice candidates (Obama and Huckabee).

401 TimeQuake  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:00:31pm

re: #358 BenZacharia

I'm in VA, Shenandoah Valley. Should I have my radio on?

402 Whiterasta  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:00:33pm

..."The MSM got exactly what it wanted...Headlines of death and destruction.."

The MSM is populated by pimps and traitors.

I despise them.

403 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:00:35pm
404 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:00:46pm

But he has an airship!

405 Biff  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:01:01pm

re: #356 wvobiwan

Exactly, and Shrillary too. A big chunk of the money behind Paul is coming from the left, I guarrantee it, for just that purpose. The left wants a fuckwit like Paul or rube like Huckabee to face the Hildabeast. Anybody but Rudy or Fred.

They'd be happy with just a third party campaign (think Anderson or Perot). Not that either of them were anywhere near as whacked as Paul.

406 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:01:14pm

re: #385 tripster

re: #377 bulwrk


the only good picture of che

the only good picture of che x2

dude had some chicken arms
apparently a big man with a gun though.......

407 akak  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:01:18pm
Description

The Sipah-I-Sahaba/Pakistan (SSP) is a Sunni sectarian group that follows the Deobandi school. Violently anti-Shi’a, the SSP emerged in central Punjab in the mid-1980s as a response to the Iranian Revolution. Pakistani President Musharraf banned the SSP in January 2002.

Activities

The group’s activities range from organizing political rallies calling for Shi’as to be declared non-Muslims to assassinating prominent Shi’a leaders.


[Link: www.fas.org...]

Last night, further details of Rauf's alleged terrorist links emerged. American and Pakistani officials claimed he had trained in al-Qaeda camps. He is also alleged to be affiliated to Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, a Muslim group close to al-Qaeda

Last night, further details of Rauf's alleged terrorist links emerged. American and Pakistani officials claimed he had trained in al-Qaeda camps. He is also alleged to be affiliated to Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, a Muslim group close to al-Qaeda.

Labelled by the US as a terrorist organisation, Lashkar has been linked to the kidnap and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Another Briton, who has not been named, was arrested with Rauf. Five other Pakistanis were also picked up, said local reports

.

[Link: politics.guardian.co.uk...]

408 GreenSoccer  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:01:23pm

Well Bolton agreed with him on part of that. Bolton said it was our fault. I think people running for office in Pakistan should follow the motto " we're not in Kansas anymore." When you see the crowds and you know the percentage of Osama followers in it, the assassination was foreseeable. However Bolton said "suspend the elections" "The US should take a time out. " Bolton has said the country needs Marshall law. Ron Paul is a fool thinking that what happens to Pakistan and its nuclear weapons does not affect us. Huckabee was equally a fool because verbally on Fox he started to point the finger at Musharaff. Sure. Why don't you stab our ally in the back, you fool?

Yes on Bolton. Yes on Victor Davis Hanson. Boos to Condi and to the state department.

409 boocat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:01:38pm

Ron Paul is a total f**kwit.

410 auldtrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:01:41pm

re: #397 Q-Burn

Think: Joe Lieberman; sure, it's legal to do both.

411 mountb  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:02:04pm

OMG: Ron Paul supporters plan rally in Azeroth. I didn't realize there were elections in world of warcraft?!

412 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:02:15pm

re: #324 stevieray

re: #302 Dotcoman

Yes, I am aware of that... I was making a point through sarcasm.

K. Just checking. Never know someone might come along and read it and need to learn something at any rate?

413 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:03:15pm
414 commander_vimes  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:03:17pm

re: #397 Q-Burn


What I am wondering is this: can he run for re-election in his district and run for president on a third-party ticket at the same time? I'm thinking not but I don't know for sure. Anybody?

Here in NM there was question whether richardson would lose the primary early enough to get his name on the ballot for senator here. So there's probably rules against running in 2 categories at once.

415 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:03:23pm

re: #404 DoubleU

But he has an airship!

Not for long!

416 Russkilitlover  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:03:52pm

re: #385 tripster

re: #377 bulwrk


the only good picture of che

the only good picture of che x2

What a tiny little body - and a big fat head! Must have looked like a little lollipop walking around.

417 DJ  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:04:30pm

re: #110 Vanderleun

A douchebag filled with more and more spench by the minute. This man is a disgrace to the nation.


Couldn't have put it better. This guy is a real douchebag.

I don't understand how he considers himself a Republican.

Then again, I guess I could say the same for McCain, Huckelberry, Rudy...

418 Christinewjc  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:04:36pm

I just knew that lunatic Ron Paul would say something stupid!

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how ANYONE (who is even minutely informed about what is happening in the world, of course) could POSSIBLY support this idiot for the presidency.

Many of his supporters are most likely young, liberal, college aged kids who have been brainwashed by their liberal-left professors. Truly unfortunate.

419 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:04:46pm

re: #392 Boondock St. Bender

Perhaps classic (Shakespearean) tragedy too, the larger-than-life figure with serious character flaws. See Mansoor Ijaz's commentary in the NRO symposium linked on the earlier thread.

420 Sifty  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:04:58pm

re: #416 Russkilitlover

re: #385 tripster

re: #377 bulwrk


the only good picture of che


the only good picture of che x2

What a tiny little body - and a big fat head! Must have looked like a little lollipop walking around.

He was like Sputnik! Round but a bit pointy in parts.

421 Penny T. Wienerdog  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:05:09pm

Ron Paul is a dork! A dimwit. Dumber than a box of rox.

422 shug  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:05:24pm

re: #385 tripster

re: #377 bulwrk


the only good picture of che

the only good picture of che x2


Is that DB Cooper in the second pic ?

423 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:05:42pm

Never trust anyone with two first names.

424 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:05:52pm

re: #398 Nevergiveup

Spot-on!

425 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:06:05pm

We're not suggesting anything by posting this link:

[Link: www.somethingpositive.net...]

Really.

426 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:06:31pm

re: #326 Babydoc97

re: #302 Dotcoman

Yep...which is nothing more than a continuation of the manner in which islam has behaved towards khaffir since the inception of this satanic death cult.

This war never ended after the last Crusade...it just went into a low simmering mode. This war will grow hot again due to the very nature of islam, and no amount of magical thinking by western pseudo-intellectuals holding futile beliefs in a muslim "reformation" movement will stop jihad.

The longer our cowardly leaders act politically correct today, the more ruthless the choices will be later on...unless you are willing to accept being enslaved to barbaric islamic thugs.

Well said.

Satanic Death Cult is right too, by the way.

They are nothing but a bunch of rock out of the sky, fallen angel down a well worshiping, miserable bastards, and they think they'll never be happy unless the rest of us are as miserable and enslaved as they are.

427 Tigger2005  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:06:34pm

It's astonishing how many people you'd think were sensible support this douchebag. The craving for simple solutions is so strong ... "All we have to do is change our behavior and they'll leave us alone" ... this is the end result of decades of television brainwashing. Wrap everything up in a half hour, an hour, two hours, cue platitudes.

428 DANEgerus  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:06:56pm

The Huckabomber apologized for America... when it was he himself advocating invading Pakistan. Yes... he is as much an idiot as Barack Hussein Obama.
The key name? Nawaz Sharif
Given that their party's candidate is dead, and Sharif banned by law from running for election, what would be the difference? And why blame President Pervez Musharraf instead of the anti-Musharraf Islamics that launched this series of attacks?

"Benazir Bhutto was also my sister, and I will be with you to take the revenge for her death," he said afterward, his eyes at times welling up with tears. "Don't feel alone. I am with you. We will take the revenge on the rulers."

"revenge on the rulers"?

Bhutto's death will leave Sharif, who was ousted in Musharraf's 1999 military coup, as the most prominent leader of a secular political party in Pakistan.

A "secular political party" called the "Pakistan Muslim League-N"?

Sharif, 57, was quick to insist that neither he nor anyone else would benefit from Bhutto's death.
"I think nobody stands to gain and nobody should be looking for any gains," he told the British Broadcasting Corp. "It's a very serious situation for the country today."

No one will benefit... except:

Bhutto's death will leave Sharif, who was ousted in Musharraf's 1999 military coup, as the most prominent leader of a secular political party in Pakistan.

"Sharif, who was ousted in Musharraf" and:

..."became Bhutto's chief rival in the struggle for power during a turbulent decade of civilian rule."

Nawaz Sharif was ousted just after leading Pakistan in an attack on India... The Kargil War...
Nawaz Sharif sounds like an expansionist Islamofascist warmonger willing to play brinksmanship with Nuclear weapons.
Great...
And Musharraf is the "military" man?

429 jimsaco  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:07:11pm

We should have followed bin Laden and Zawahiri right across the border, and not stopped till we had them.

Why we don't go get them now is a matter of puzzlement to me.

430 tripster  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:07:21pm

re: #393 Whiterasta

re: #385 tripster

I want a t-shirt like that!

No, I'm not kidding.

Try this CafePress

431 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:07:44pm

re: #419 pre-Boomer Marine brat

yes,I was touched by his comment that she married the wrong man.

bill clinton had the same problem.....

432 yochanan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:08:08pm

re: #377 bulwrk

FAV. PIC OF CHE dead commies the best kind

433 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:08:13pm

re: #401 TimeQuake

re: #358 BenZacharia

I'm in VA, Shenandoah Valley. Should I have my radio on?

That's a fur piece from Green Bank and the NRQZ*

13,000 sqare miles of the VA/WV mountains.

434 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:08:42pm

re: #406 Boondock St. Bender

re: #385 tripster


re: #377 bulwrk

the only good picture of che

the only good picture of che x2

dude had some chicken arms
apparently a big man with a gun though.......

No, big man with a gun when the other person is unarmed and wounded, and/or tied to a pole. He surrendered with a full magazine in his pistol.

435 Russkilitlover  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:08:51pm

re: #343 yenta-fada

re: #335 debutaunt

What I fail to comprehend is how Che became, and still is, massively cool.

Because it's always going to be cool to hold up an idol that shocks or is the antithesis of your parents. Ask anyone wearing a Che shirt today and 99.5% of them will not be able to tell you anything about him. Same with Lenin paraphanelia of a couple of decades ago.

436 Dotcoman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:08:58pm

re: #305 Joel

re: #277 shug

re: #276 Joel

This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.


Al-Zwahari is a doctor.
So was che'
So was mengele
So is Howard Dean and Jim McDermott.

Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around.

Good Hit!
But he sure as hell ruined a lot of lives.

437 Biff  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:09:48pm

re: #413 buzzsawmonkey

re: #405 Biff

Friendly suggestion: hit "reply" or "quote" when you are answering a prior post, in order to differentiate your words from those that have gone before. "Reply" will bring up a link to the prior post; "quote" will give you a reference with the prior post indented for the sake of differentiation.

I know. I hit "quote" but edited out the first "blockquote"when I removed several earlier string references. New it as soon as I hit sned. PIMF (duh). Thanks for the heads up, though.

438 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:10:49pm
439 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:11:03pm

The State Department spokesman is pushing for the elections in Pakistan to go forward and behind the scenes complaining how Sheriff could have let this happen. Haven't they caused enough damage and learned their lesson. Someone should let the State Department know it is New Years and they better go on a long holiday.

440 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:11:29pm

re: #436 Dotcoman

re: #305 Joel


re: #277 shug

re: #276 Joel

This cretin (hard to believe he is actually a Doctor) should be in a strait jacket.

Al-Zwahari is a doctor.
So was che'
So was mengele
So is Howard Dean and Jim McDermott.

Che Guevara was never a Doctor. That is one of the greatest myths around.

Good Hit!
But he sure as hell ruined a lot of lives.

He wore a Rolex watch and lived in one of the biggest, nicest mansions in Cuba. Man of the people, huh?

441 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:11:32pm

The Paul/Kucinch ticket should become reality.

Save us oh self-loathing idiots!

442 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:11:37pm

re: #422 shug

re: #385 tripster


re: #377 bulwrk

the only good picture of che

the only good picture of che x2

Is that DB Cooper in the second pic ?

Sure as hell is!

443 gymnast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:12:08pm

re: #429 jimsaco

We should have followed bin Laden and Zawahiri right across the border, and not stopped till we had them.

Why we don't go get them now is a matter of puzzlement to me.

After kicking your football, I find your statements to be a bit inconsistent. You don't seem to have felt this way last week.

444 WayDownSouthInBama  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:12:32pm

re: #381 auldtrafford

re: #372 WayDownSouthInBama

I guess my point was that Hillary is absolutely the last person (I can think of right now, anyway) I would ever vote for. Maybe before Bin Laden.

Point well taken. I'd hate to make a choice between the two. Let's hope that when November rolls around,we can both forget we even entertained the thought of a race between the two of them. But to be honest,I'm not going to feel good about the choice we will have to make no matter who it turns out to be seeing the choices facing us today.

445 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:12:49pm

re: #437 Biff

I know. I hit "quote" but edited out the first "blockquote"when I removed several earlier string references. New it as soon as I hit sned. PIMF (duh). Thanks for the heads up, though.

Good try. At least you attempted to trim down some of the huge multi level embeds that get going here by LAZY! gits.

446 tradewind  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:12:53pm

Ronnie's Nikes oughta be neatly placed under his bunk by now, as he awaits the Mothership.

447 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:13:02pm

re: #442 debutaunt

So DB Cooper worked for the CIA. Those are CIA shades, Aren't they?

448 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:13:05pm

It's kinda funny. Ron Paul is making it very difficult for the uber-left-wing-democrats who support him to abandon him.

They eat this shit up with big spoons.

449 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:13:48pm

Charles,

When did you add the 'sned' button?

450 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:14:45pm

Another reason why Che is popular is because the left has portrayed him as a courages rebel against the evils of capitalism and defender of the underdog. Excuse me while I puke.
I'm so peeved over RP the mention of Che bothers me more than usual.

451 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:14:50pm

re: #434 Hard Right

ah yes the famous last words
"I am che,i am worth more alive than dead"surrendered with a full clip,gun unfired....apparently he was not worth much alive or dead...

452 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:15:16pm

re: #447 Nevergiveup

re: #442 debutaunt

So DB Cooper worked for the CIA. Those are CIA shades, Aren't they?

He was a famous blues singer.

453 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:15:50pm

re: #451 Boondock St. Bender

re: #434 Hard Right

ah yes the famous last words
"I am che,i am worth more alive than dead"surrendered with a full clip,gun unfired....apparently he was not worth much alive or dead...

Kinda like Saddam.

454 TimeQuake  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:16:33pm

re: #433 BenZacharia

That's a fur piece

What's a fur piece?

I'm outside of that grid but not by far. Can't get any good reception here in the mountains anyway.

455 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:16:35pm

re: #431 Boondock St. Bender

re: #419 pre-Boomer Marine brat

yes,I was touched by his comment that she married the wrong man.

bill clinton had the same problem.....

I already knew about her husband, called "Mister 10%" during her term in office as PM.

What screamed out at me was her reply ... "prime ministers don't do that".

There was some serious arrogance there. Wow!

456 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:17:35pm

re: #451 Boondock St. Bender

re: #434 Hard Right

ah yes the famous last words
"I am che,i am worth more alive than dead"surrendered with a full clip,gun unfired....apparently he was not worth much alive or dead...

I thought that the second I saw his death pics. He actually sucked up to his capturers in the hopes they would spare his life. Typical far left coward. He's brave only when he has a gun and the other person doesn't.

457 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:17:41pm

re: #384 fsjonesy

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458 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:17:47pm
459 auldtrafford  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:18:24pm

re: #444 WayDownSouthInBama

re: #381 auldtrafford

re: #372 WayDownSouthInBama

I guess my point was that Hillary is absolutely the last person (I can think of right now, anyway) I would ever vote for. Maybe before Bin Laden.

Point well taken. I'd hate to make a choice between the two. Let's hope that when November rolls around,we can both forget we even entertained the thought of a race between the two of them. But to be honest,I'm not going to feel good about the choice we will have to make no matter who it turns out to be seeing the choices facing us today.

Agreed.

460 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:18:44pm

Ron Paul on the Morton Daowny Jr Show. 1988

Thanks to:
[Link: politicalpartypoop.com...]

461 jim in virginia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:18:47pm

Paul's statement may actually help his campaign. After four years of war, and six years after 9-11, isolationism has a lot of appeal.
Paul and Kucinich prove that the far left and far right meet.


re: #398 Nevergiveup

re: #389 Biff


The problem is and has always been-- does Mushariff have complete control of his intelligence and military services and the collective will and ability to project that power to the areas adjacent to Afghanistan?

The problem with Arafat was that he had neither the will nor the ability to stop Palestinian terror. I think Musharraf is similar in that respect. He will try to do just as much as it takes to keep American funds coming in; but he doesn't have the ability.
Yuk. Promo for Olberman: After spending millions to support Musharaff, is Bush's foreign policy in a tailspin?

462 Dairenn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:18:55pm

Yeah Ron, THAT'S what it is. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with these guys living, breathing, eating and crapping from birth until (a very early) death a hateful ideology of intolerance and violence. No, it's our fault.

Thanks for having our back.

**ithead.

463 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:19:15pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

You get points for this. My reference to the Blues Brothers was pointless.

464 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:19:16pm

re: #13 Andy Dufresne

The biggest mystery is how this clown has been re-elected by the people in his Texas district over and over again. Perhaps that's the most shameful thing with Ron Paul.

It's my theory that chemicals from the nearby Dow plant are seeping into the groundwater near Lake Jackson.

465 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:19:22pm

Hrmm we have some aPaulogists in the room

466 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:19:47pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

Did that Che Guevara "Motorcycle Diaries" movie win any awards? If so, it could be retitled "'The Importance of Being Ernesto' by Oscars Wild."

I think so. We should start an award for moonbat movies called the Barfies.

467 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:19:52pm

re: #454 TimeQuake

From Sugar Grove WV.

468 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:20:02pm

re: #455 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That had to be a holdover emotion/thought from the caste system.
A more useless/bankrupt system can hardly be found.the worst of snobbery.

469 yochanan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:20:06pm

re: #415 Shiplord Kirel

ron paul idology fits with the hindenberg

470 rp1138  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:20:59pm

Call me old fashioned, but I blame the bastard who pulled the trigger, and the thugs who sent him to do it.
I'm surprised L. Ron hasn't tried to blame the Freemasons yet.

471 jim in virginia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:21:14pm

re: #414 commander_vimes

re: #397 Q-Burn


What I am wondering is this: can he run for re-election in his district and run for president on a third-party ticket at the same time? I'm thinking not but I don't know for sure. Anybody?

Here in NM there was question whether richardson would lose the primary early enough to get his name on the ballot for senator here. So there's probably rules against running in 2 categories at once.

Depends on state election laws. Texas law was amended in 1988 to allow Lloyd Bentsen to run for VP and for re election to the Senate. I don't know what current law is.

472 BenZacharia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:21:25pm

re: #457 Da_Beerfreak

re: #384 fsjonesy


This sums up my thoughts on this perfectly.
.....

Ouch!
I can't fit all that in my
"LGF Super Decoder Ring".
What's it say?
// {;-)™

Failure to pimf on ASCII art, since charles has canned just about all our crayons.

473 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:21:58pm

re: #460 DoubleU

Ron Paul on the Morton Daowny Jr Show. 1988
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks to:
[Link: politicalpartypoop.com...]

"This is my show! Zip it! Zip it!"

474 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:22:42pm

moving to the open

475 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:22:43pm

re: #461 jim in virginia

The problem with Arafat was that he had neither the will nor the ability to stop Palestinian terror.

Uh ... excuse me all to h*ll ... Arafat personally founded the Black September group (responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, etc, etc)

476 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:23:24pm
477 yochanan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:23:34pm

i really think we had inside help on killing CHE do you really think the blind mice in foggy bottom could find one small commie band in the moutains of bolovia it would not supprise me if the cuban stalinist fronted off che because he was becoming way to close to the trotskeyite HUGO BLANCO.

478 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:23:55pm

re: #426 Dotcoman

I concur wholeheartedly with your comments, Sir, and wish you and your family a Happy New Year!

479 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:23:59pm

re: #468 Boondock St. Bender

Very possible. I don't know her personal background.

480 The Other Les  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:24:11pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

Did that Che Guevara "Motorcycle Diaries" movie win any awards? If so, it could be retitled "'The Importance of Being Ernesto' by Oscars Wild."

You've seen this?

[Link: www.che-mart.com...]

481 jim in virginia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:24:51pm

re: #459 auldtrafford

re: #444 WayDownSouthInBama


re: #381 auldtrafford

re: #372 WayDownSouthInBama

I guess my point was that Hillary is absolutely the last person (I can think of right now, anyway) I would ever vote for. Maybe before Bin Laden.


Point well taken. I'd hate to make a choice between the two. Let's hope that when November rolls around,we can both forget we even entertained the thought of a race between the two of them. But to be honest,I'm not going to feel good about the choice we will have to make no matter who it turns out to be seeing the choices facing us today.

Agreed.

Between Hilary and any other Republican, I'd vote for the Republican.
Between Ron Paul and Hilary, I'd vote for Hilary.
Between Ron Paul and Obama or Edwards, I'd saw my legs off.

482 6pat6  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:25:04pm

Ron Paul is delusional.

I saw quite a few "RonPaul" bumper stickers on cars this weekend on my little vacation trip, on everything from Acuras to Cadillacs to pickups. I don't understand the attraction to this twit, not one bit.

483 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:26:33pm
484 6pat6  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:27:24pm

Between Senator Hildebeest and any (R), I'd vote (R).
Between Senator Hildebeest and Paul, I'd need sedation
Between any other Jackass and Paul, I'd need to be clubbed like a baby seal to put me out of my misery.

485 kynna  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:27:42pm

Post #1 really helped me but I swear this guy has me so furious I am seeing red. How dare he?!

Did Huckabee really say something similar?

These people need to leave this country and go where they're wanted. Of course that's nowhere. So we're stuck with these vermin who have the gall to think they should actually be president! >:p

Gah! What a batch of lobster-brains!

486 jimsaco  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:29:12pm

re: #443 gymnast

Not really. I think bin Laden and Zawahiri and their band of merry men should have been pursued to the end. I do think invading Iraq was a colosally stupid idea, and I think there are many things we could do in the WoT that would be more effective than anything we could ever do in Iraq.

It's not like Musharraf is George Washington or something. He is a thug, who bills himself as being the only thing that prevents Islamist nutjob chaos, with nukes. If that truly is the case, then that's where we should have the 150,000 troops.

487 Thanos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:29:12pm

re: #460 DoubleU

Ron Paul on the Morton Daowny Jr Show. 1988
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks to:
[Link: politicalpartypoop.com...]

Anyone know who the guy in tribal nationalist colors and sunglasses is?

488 crashland  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:29:24pm

Although much of what comes out of Ron Paul's mouth is pure feces, please don't paint every libertarian with the same brush. Because the libertarian party is filled with crazy people, I consider myself a libertarian leaning republican. Personally, I believe the federal government has one role and one role only -- keep us safe by killing our enemies if needed.

Yes, his blame America fist is crap but economically he certainly leans toward more freedom than less freedom. As my hero, RR said, government isn't the solution it's the problem.

Ron Paul's nazi, America first blah blah blah, doesn't make us safe, in fact it is the exact opposite -- it makes us weak. To blame us for the murder of this brave woman is stupid and to continue to deal with thugs is also stupid. This country has nukes. They share a border with Iran and they have tribal areas that are out of any rational human control, now it is a country exploding in chaos.

The next few weeks very well could lead to events that result in the end of the world as we know it and I don't feel so fine.

489 6pat6  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:30:17pm

My previous comments about Huckabee being a huckster (looonnnng before Rush made that point, BTW!) are proving true, it seems.

Why does it seem like every choice from both sides is one of "which amount of pain for the US is acceptable if this person/droid gets in office?"

490 Brain-Washed Sheeple  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:30:30pm

"They're in a civil war, I don't think we should be involving ourselves in a civil war"

How about a civil war where nuclear weapons are at stake, you meely-mouthed pacifist?

This man makes me sick to my stomach.

491 koedo  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:30:57pm

Anyone who makes such an ignorant comment, such as the one by Mr. Paul, has proven themselves incapable of holding the office of President of the United States. He's an ignorant jackass who has no firm grasp of the facts.

It's the United States' fault that Ms. Bhutto was assassinated?

492 realwest  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:31:13pm

Hey Y'all - haven't had had the chance to read the thread, but did listen to the video and all I can say is that Ron Paul is STUPID. And we all know that there ain't no cure for STUPID.

493 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:32:23pm

re: #487 Thanos

Anyone know who the guy in tribal nationalist colors and sunglasses is?

Appearing w/ Ron Paul is the wildly dressed Otto von Ruggins and Professor John Flynn. I have no idea where Flynn is from. I had never seen him before, or since. (From the poster of the cllip)

494 Red Girl in Blue Minnesota  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:32:26pm

Ron Paul is a hysterical effen dweeb...

495 bill-tb  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:32:42pm

Did anyone notice that Ron Paul left his brain on the bedside table this morning?

496 mean Gene  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:33:51pm

re: #428 DANEgerus

Thanks for more on that guy.
Do you think al Qaeda might have killed her for him?
Bill Richardson seems to want to take people like him and put the lot of them in charge as a committee.

497 stevieray  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:34:19pm

re: #376 nyc redneck

i got "rescuing sprite" by mark levin, for christmas. but i'm nervous abt. starting it. everyone who reads it criess their eyes out. i'm told.

Mark Levin, the radio guy? Or, as Rush calls him, "F. Lee Levin"? I didn't know he wrote anything besides "Men In Black".

[sorry it took so long to reply to you, but my computer is really wonky. I'm running antivirus sweeps in safe mode right now and posting from my old laptop.]

498 gymnast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:34:33pm

re: #486 jimsaco

re: #443 gymnast

Not really. I think bin Laden and Zawahiri and their band of merry men should have been pursued to the end. I do think invading Iraq was a colosally stupid idea, and I think there are many things we could do in the WoT that would be more effective than anything we could ever do in Iraq.

It's not like Musharraf is George Washington or something. He is a thug, who bills himself as being the only thing that prevents Islamist nutjob chaos, with nukes. If that truly is the case, then that's where we should have the 150,000 troops.

Do you know the definition of "sophmore"? You seem to fill the bill.

499 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:34:49pm

re: #487 Thanos

re: #460 DoubleU

Ron Paul on the Morton Daowny Jr Show. 1988
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks to:
[Link: politicalpartypoop.com...]

Anyone know who the guy in tribal nationalist colors and sunglasses is?

I haven't seen that yet. Is that Curtis Sliwa's wife on there?

500 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:35:51pm

re: #305 Joel

Joel, he was....he studied in Buenos Aires, as Argentina was his homeland. His daughter became one in Cuba.

[...]In this upper-middle class family with significantly left-wing views, Guevara became known for his dynamic and radical perspective even as a boy. Though suffering from the crippling bouts of asthma that were to handicap him throughout his life, he excelled as an athlete. In 1948, he entered the University of Buenos Aires to study medicine. There he also excelled as a scholar; he completed his medical studies in March 1953. [...]

501 pbird  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:36:28pm

re: #32 livefreeor die

He's going to have a hard time choosing between Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan for his VP.

Wowie! Haven't heard word about her in ages and never noticed it.

502 MilkOfMalfeasance  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:36:30pm

Watch the second Interview on this link with Wolf. This man is frightening (Wolf too, but especially ROn Paul)!

503 yochanan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:36:46pm

re: #475 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #461 jim in virginia


The problem with Arafat was that he had neither the will nor the ability to stop Palestinian terror.

Uh ... excuse me all to h*ll ... Arafat personally founded the Black September group (responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, etc, etc)

The problem with Arafat was that he had neither the will nor the ability to stop palestinian terror
ARAFISH WAS A MASS MURDERING ANTI SEMITIC ASSHOLE

504 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:36:52pm

Ron Bacardi Paul thinks Seymour Hersh is the great expert on Iran:

Paul said he did not believe that the recent National Intelligence Estimate, which determined Iran hadn't actively pursued a nuclear weapon since 2003, would be sufficient to deter a strike.

“I think it's a great possibility. Read Seymour Hersh. He is the expert over there,” said Paul of the Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist, who has previously reported that the U.S. is preparing a preemptive strike against Iran.

“The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has been declared a terrorist organization for the purpose of them being the targets rather than had the nuclear power plants,” Paul said. “So, wait and see... there are still quite a few neoconservatives that want to go after Iran under these unbelievable conditions.”

505 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:37:03pm

re: #495 bill-tb

Did anyone notice that Ron Paul left his brain on the bedside table this morning?

What brain?

506 redmonkey  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:37:30pm

Michael Savage on radio tonight said about Ron Paul :
"I would not trust him to run abortion clinic". Priceless

507 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:40:35pm

re: #499 Ward Cleaver

re: #487 Thanos

re: #460 DoubleU
Ron Paul on the Morton Daowny Jr Show. 1988
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks to:
[Link: politicalpartypoop.com...]

Anyone know who the guy in tribal nationalist colors and sunglasses is?
I haven't seen that yet. Is that Curtis Sliwa's wife on there?

Yes it is. That is classic stuff. I think RP won the debate. Morton Downey is currently dead due to the use of his legal drug of choice.

508 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:40:52pm

re: #475 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Arafish. But if he ever intended to stop terror (a debatable point), he did not have the authority. Too many freelancers. Negotiating with him was pointless.
And he had more authority than Abbas does now.

509 yochanan  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:42:07pm

RON PAUL (EMPTY HEAD FULL OF SHIT) was wrong in 1860 still wrong in 1935 and he is dead wrong.

I HATE RON PAUL NAZIES.

510 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:45:41pm

re: #475 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #461 jim in virginia


The problem with Arafat was that he had neither the will nor the ability to stop Palestinian terror.

Uh ... excuse me all to h*ll ... Arafat personally founded the Black September group (responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, etc, etc)

Yepper, you don't ever hear about that msm-wise.

511 tokyobk  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:46:17pm

If you want to get how crazy Paul is, read some stuff on lewrockwell.com or from the von Mieses Institute. These are his intellectual backers.

There is a guy Hoppe who writes for them who believes that market forces will naturally prevent wars and so therefore governments need not have standing armies and anyway defense is just a false justification for state power.

This is why Paul blames intervention and does not believe in an Islamist or al-Queda threat.

512 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:46:47pm

re: #456 Hard Right

Was Daniel Pearl HY"D, 'sucking up' to his captors?

[...]"I think he understood that he was going to be killed and refused to accept tea or to gulp pills. He even did not allow himself to be injected."

Before he was murdered, they forced him to relate his Jewish background and express sympathy with detainees in Guantanamo Bay before putting the knife to his throat once - and then again, a second time, owing to the faulty camera.[...]

I despise Che, Castro, and any f*ing leftist, but will not pass judgement on what anyone says to try and stay alive...in Guevara's case, sadly, he could only die once.

I only pray that no good person is ever in a position like this.

513 tangonine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:47:13pm

re: #477 yochanan

i really think we had inside help on killing CHE do you really think the blind mice in foggy bottom could find one small commie band in the moutains of bolovia it would not supprise me if the cuban stalinist fronted off che because he was becoming way to close to the trotskeyite HUGO BLANCO.

As off topic (and it's one freaking sentance) as this is, I'd have to agree lol.

On Ron Paul: If we could somehow remove the part of his brain that dealt with foreign policy and replace it with Reagan's, we'd be set. His domestic policies are fine... once he leaves the coasts he goes batshit for some reason. Dunno why...

514 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:48:45pm

re: #497 stevieray

re: #376 nyc redneck

i got "rescuing sprite" by mark levin, for christmas. but i'm nervous abt. starting it. everyone who reads it criess their eyes out. i'm told.
Mark Levin, the radio guy? Or, as Rush calls him, "F. Lee Levin"? I didn't know he wrote anything besides "Men In Black".

[sorry it took so long to reply to you, but my computer is really wonky. I'm running antivirus sweeps in safe mode right now and posting from my old laptop.]

yes, rush refers to mark levin as " f. lee levin." he is my favorite of all the talk show hosts. he did write "men in black", which i read and loved. and which, much to the chagrin of the nyt, was on the best seller list for wks. his 2nd book "rescuing sprite" is in it's 12th printing or some phenomenal number like that and also driving the nyt nuts. ha. it's abt a dog he got at a shelter and the joy and anguish of loving and losing him. i'm a dog person. my husband got the book for me and now i'm scared to read it. lol

515 Nat-X  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:49:08pm

Okay, recon I've come back from the dark side. I was only for Ron Paul until my intoxication wore off. I'm better now.

516 mean Gene  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:49:18pm

re: #504 Shiplord Kirel

Ron Bacardi Paul thinks Seymour Hersh is the great expert on Iran:

Paul said he did not believe that the recent National Intelligence Estimate, which determined Iran hadn't actively pursued a nuclear weapon since 2003, would be sufficient to deter a strike.

“I think it's a great possibility. Read Seymour Hersh. He is the expert over there,” said Paul of the Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist, who has previously reported that the U.S. is preparing a preemptive strike against Iran.

“The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has been declared a terrorist organization for the purpose of them being the targets rather than had the nuclear power plants,” Paul said. “So, wait and see... there are still quite a few neoconservatives that want to go after Iran under these unbelievable conditions.”

If you dig around you find all kinds of times S. Hersh has lied in the press.
Doesn't Ron Paul ever Google?

517 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:50:38pm

I hope that the horrific assassination of Mrs. Bhutto will wake Americans up, as they vote in straw polls, primaries, etc., to Job One, the WOT....Rudy is the only one who has a clue, and the Dems are pathetic.

I do not see how Ron Paul was allowed to run as a Republican, and the quicker he is jettisoned, the better.

518 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:51:12pm

re: #512 NY Nana

re: #456 Hard Right

Was Daniel Pearl HY"D, 'sucking up' to his captors?


[...]"I think he understood that he was going to be killed and refused to accept tea or to gulp pills. He even did not allow himself to be injected."

Before he was murdered, they forced him to relate his Jewish background and express sympathy with detainees in Guantanamo Bay before putting the knife to his throat once - and then again, a second time, owing to the faulty camera.[...]


I despise Che, Castro, and any f*ing leftist, but will not pass judgement on what anyone says to try and stay alive...in Guevara's case, sadly, he could only die once.

I only pray that no good person is ever in a position like this.

1) Che was evil and liked to pretend how brave, tough, and fearless he was.
2) Daniel Pearl was an innocent civilian- a victim in every sense of the word.
3) You are comparing apples to oranges and expecting me to buy it.
4) I'm Cuban, so don't tell me I should have sympathy for that POS or I will question your sanity or intestinal fortitude.

519 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:51:32pm
520 Abu Lahab  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:52:41pm

Hmm, I thought blaming the "US intervention" for all the wrong things was purely a Middle Eastern disease!

521 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:56:19pm

re: #519 buzzsawmonkey

re: #516 mean Gene


If you dig around you find all kinds of times S. Hersh has lied in the press.
Doesn't Ron Paul ever Google?

Not easy to do on a wind-up computer.

He doesn't need to Google it, Hersh is one of the sources that it's all because of America's 'interventionist policies'.

522 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:57:33pm

re: #517 NY Nana

I hope that the horrific assassination of Mrs. Bhutto will wake Americans up, as they vote in straw polls, primaries, etc., to Job One, the WOT..

ummm who? -Most Americans. After all Hilary is going to give them free stuff.

523 Render  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 4:58:58pm

re: #487 Thanos

[Link: www.ottovr.com...]

[Link: www.google.com...]

KONGRESS,
R

524 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:07:54pm

The first time Huckabee talked about foreign policy he lost my vote. This time when he apologized for the actions of bloodthirsty terrorists he lost any shot at me ever changing my mind about it. Ron Paul? Reminds me a little bit of the bad guy from Stephen King's "The Dead Zone" with the nutjob army in place of the biker brownshirts... with less common sense and more education...

525 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:09:23pm

re: #210 Athos

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

He's expanding his scope......

Has he expanded his "nope scope" we have for him?

526 fuseman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:10:51pm

re: #124 The Other Les
there is no being nice in politics. it's all about being practical.

527 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:13:43pm

re: #229 SaneInMN

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

I'm searching ...... whatever was it that so offended you? please help.

Fred

528 Athos  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:14:47pm

re: #525 NomadOfNorad

I hope the Republican Party expands it's 'nope scope' to include RP.

529 mollyshark  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:18:23pm

I don't agree with most of the negative take on Bhutto I'm reading here. She was the best hope for a civilization Pakistan had or will have. As far as corruption in her government...be real. Look at the people you are dealing with. If you have to be a snake to play in the snake pit, so be it. The woman was brilliant with amazing insight. It is a horrible loss.

And have to comment on Arafat. Will or ability to stop it? Honey bunch..he WAS the evil...he WAS the terrorist. He was a walking death.

530 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:19:27pm

re: #275 yenta-fada

Funny you should mention that. The reading pile by the chair has Al Bakari's vol 3 of his Hadith (tedious since it relates to all the crap Mo did when was busy killing people) so there is only so much I can go through and not get totally tired, "The Theory of Groups and Quantum Mechanics" by Hermann Weyl along with a critique of string theory. Somehow, I doubt that Ron would fit in with the intelligence of most folks on this site.

PS he was a shitty investment adviser too. He ran an advisory newsletter that was totally gold bug around 1985. Guy does not appear to understand much. I will pass on his medicine since I do not know him there, but even there I doubt I would trust him to as much as clip my toenails.

531 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:21:36pm

btw, Ron Paul reminds me too much of Neitzsche's Last Man.

532 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:22:21pm

re: #232 Athos

re: #229 SaneInMN

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

He's already there as far as I'm concerned.

Is this what upsets you so? ....

Lethal Threats [John Derbyshire]

Cliff:

(You) Well, the jihadist threat may not be Soviet-sized but — based on 9/11 — it’s a whole lot more lethal. And if the next attack includes not just hijacked jet planes but nukes or biological weapons, we’ll be positively nostalgic for the days of crossing swords with the KGB.

[Me] Hijacking four planes and flying them into buildings is more lethal than a barrage of ICBMs backed by a huge conscript army, navy, and air force? You really think so?

Which major war have the jihadi armies recently co-won? How many armored divisions do they have? How many European nations have they subjugated and installed puppet governments in? What's their industrial capacity? How many engineers, doctors, physicists, chemists, mathematicians do they produce every year? How extensive is their espionage network? How many of our intelligentsia think they are a positive and progressive force?

Don't flatter them.

12/27 07:41 PM

533 stevieray  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:22:50pm

re: #514 nyc redneck

I don't read many "dog books" anymore... they always die in the end.
p.s. Don't read the kid's book "Where The Red Fern Grows"... that one got me back in fifth grade. :(

534 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:27:20pm

re: #533 stevieray

re: #514 nyc redneck

I don't read many "dog books" anymore... they always die in the end.
p.s. Don't read the kid's book "Where The Red Fern Grows"... that one got me back in fifth grade. :(

8th grade here. I didn't cry, but it was soooo depressing.

535 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:27:34pm

re: #509 yochanan

RON PAUL (EMPTY HEAD FULL OF SHIT) was wrong in 1860 still wrong in 1935 and he is dead wrong.

I HATE RON PAUL NAZIES.

hey yoch! . . . hi ... ... ... Ron's not that old, is he?

I wish the Republicans would just demand that he submit to some kind of analysis by a good shrink ....... maybe Gagdad Bob! Or get the guy out of the Party ...... let him ruin the Libertarian Party .... they can reform ... reconstruct themselves.

536 fsjonesy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:28:03pm

re: #457 Da_Beerfreak

re: #384 fsjonesy

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537 Sandi  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:29:06pm

Well Ron Paul is an idiot...no doubt now!
earlier this week it was BASH LINCOLN FOR CIVIL WAR...now this...he calls us interveners..... gee, if I saw Ron Paul on fire and his house on fire...I would not intervene since it does not affect me... doof!

538 Former Belgian  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:32:09pm

re: #527 Fearless Fred

re: #229 SaneInMN

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

I'm searching ...... whatever was it that so offended you? please help.

Fred

He seems to have joined the L. Ron Paul cult. As has the BBC editor for North America (bien étonnés de se trouver ensemble/quite surprise to find themselves together).

539 Sandi  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:32:29pm

I heard Micheal Savage say tonight he thought Paul was an idiot....and him and Pat Buchanan were laughing at how stupid Paul sounded today! And for those 2 to think someone is a right wing wacko....Paul has to be a real right wing nutjob. Savage said Paul is the Court Jester of the GOP...and we need a King not a raving fool. LOL LOL LOL

540 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:32:34pm

re: #518 Hard Right

I'm Cuban, so don't tell me I should have sympathy for that POS or I will question your sanity or intestinal fortitude.

I have friends who escaped Cuba, and are Jews. You have my sympathy. Thank G-d you were able to get out.

That there is still a Jewish community baffles me, frankly.

I wonder what will happen when Fidel dies.

541 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:33:04pm

re: #517 NY Nana

I hope that the horrific assassination of Mrs. Bhutto will wake Americans up, as they vote in straw polls, primaries, etc., to Job One, the WOT....Rudy is the only one who has a clue, and the Dems are pathetic.

I do not see how Ron Paul was allowed to run as a Republican, and the quicker he is jettisoned, the better.

I love what you say, except that Fred Thompson has an even better grip on the whole thing ...... and he's more sane and level and conservative and decent even than Rudy . . . and I'm a fan of Rudy's .... I love Rudy and would be happy to see him battle and crush the Hildabeast! .... but Fred's better yet! Dr. Paul should go back to Surfside and fish, or hunt seashells.

542 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:34:32pm

re: #540 NY Nana

re: #518 Hard Right


I'm Cuban, so don't tell me I should have sympathy for that POS or I will question your sanity or intestinal fortitude.

I have friends who escaped Cuba, and are Jews. You have my sympathy. Thank G-d you were able to get out.

That there is still a Jewish community baffles me, frankly.

I wonder what will happen when Fidel dies.

Sorry, I posted when my blood pressure had just spiked. Personally I feel that not everyone is deserving of sympathy and Che is one of them.

543 Sandi  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:36:24pm

re: #541 Fearless Fred

re: #517 NY Nana


I hope that the horrific assassination of Mrs. Bhutto will wake Americans up, as they vote in straw polls, primaries, etc., to Job One, the WOT....Rudy is the only one who has a clue, and the Dems are pathetic.

I do not see how Ron Paul was allowed to run as a Republican, and the quicker he is jettisoned, the better.


I love what you say, except that Fred Thompson has an even better grip on the whole thing ...... and he's more sane and level and conservative and decent even than Rudy . . . and I'm a fan of Rudy's .... I love Rudy and would be happy to see him battle and crush the Hildabeast! .... but Fred's better yet! Dr. Paul should go back to Surfside and fish, or hunt seashells.

Hey I have given to Paul's Congressional rival for his seat. Chris Penden is great! He is ahead of Paul and it looks like Paul may lose his House Seat too!

[Link: www.chrispeden.org...]

go to this site and click on news releases...seems the local papers even think Paul is a nut bag. LOL

544 Tangonine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:36:59pm

re: #515 Nat-X

Okay, recon I've come back from the dark side. I was only for Ron Paul until my intoxication wore off. I'm better now.

No worries man.

The good, and bad part, about Ron Paul is he believes in two concepts to their extreme:

1) Individual rights
2) Isolationism

There are many Americans that believe in both of those concepts to one extent or another (liberals, of course, have nothing to say about #1, with their communist/socialist crap). RP gets so much support becuase people don't understand how extreme he is on those two positions. His critics (noting the 500+ comments here) normally fail to point out his specific faults and just devolve into name calling.

Look: the average voter hits the RP website, views a few videos and says, "Dude! Individual rights! Smaller government! YEAH!" and off they go. That person is now, to some extent, an RP supporter. Then they find a thread like this where the people don't actually show RP for what his is, but instead just hurl insults.

It's like being a Cubs fan. You're in a bar and some guy says the Cubs blow... he's not insulting you, but you certainly do take it that way... and you're more likely to get in a confrontation with that guy because of what he said. Maybe the Cubs DO blow, but that's not the point. :)

The end result is that the RP supporters just become offended and storm off. Now, if someone would come along and dissect his arguments in a respectful (not to RP, but to the people that support him) way, there'd be a whole lot less support for this guy.

Just my two cents.

545 bottehond  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:37:18pm

This Ron Paul figure is a fraud.

He has deluded many.

Dutch Libertarians spoke highly of him.

But he is anti- Israel and smelly.

Case closed?

546 akak  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:39:48pm

re: #529 mollyshark


what happened to her brother?

547 Hard Right  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:43:07pm

re: #540 NY Nana

re: #518 Hard Right


I'm Cuban, so don't tell me I should have sympathy for that POS or I will question your sanity or intestinal fortitude.

I have friends who escaped Cuba, and are Jews. You have my sympathy. Thank G-d you were able to get out.

That there is still a Jewish community baffles me, frankly.

I wonder what will happen when Fidel dies.

When Fidel dies Raul will take over. He's just as bad as Fidel. The deal with Russia should have been broken when they fell. Especially since Castro has waged covert war against the U.S. for some time.

548 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:43:33pm

re: #522 DoubleU

After all Hilary is going to give them free stuff.

Give? Not bloody likely! As a New Yorker, I am suffering under Shrillary's iron fist....but the Billaries sure knew how to steal trucks full of goodies from the White House.

I keep waiting for someone to really finish her(?) off with what really has been done by that POS throughout her life, and also what Bubba did. They should be doing time, now wasting ours.

The Alinsky clone makes me want to puke...a lot.

549 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:47:36pm

re: #538 Former Belgian

re: #527 Fearless Fred

re: #229 SaneInMN

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

I'm searching ...... whatever was it that so offended you? please help.

Fred

He seems to have joined the L. Ron Paul cult. As has the BBC editor for North America (bien étonnés de se trouver ensemble/quite surprise to find themselves together).

As much as I'm against Paul's view of what should be our ME policies, I'm still not getting what so upset SaneInMN ... ... ... I don't get it. i don't think Ron's that bad a guy ...... he's kind-of amusing generally, sorta decent in-so-far-as promoting libertarian ideas, ... and stupid as hell at keeping us all alive ..... but he's just stupid ... not mean, or evil, or even too harmful really .... people (some people) really want to hear his insane and stupid (isolationist) message. It's sad, but you've got to realize his idiot supporters want to hear what he's sayin'. The trick is to better educate the kids in the government school system .... get rid of the government monopoly school system. The weird thing is Ron's got the absolute best arguments for that! And he's absolutely right. So, Ron's not all bad .... we just can't let him get us all killed.

550 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:51:56pm

re: #542 Hard Right

Sorry, I posted when my blood pressure had just spiked. Personally I feel that not everyone is deserving of sympathy and Che is one of them.

If any of us have not posted when pissed? That would have to be a troll. ;)

No, he deserves no sympathy, and what a waste of an education he was, and also a terrorist. Whenever I see a Che shirt, usually there is a Arafart fashion statement nearby.

Funny how those we feel either sympathy or empathy for would ask us why. They want no pity party.

Che? Alas, he could only die once. As an MD? He could have done so much for people.

551 rorschach  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:53:00pm

Ron Paul is a dangerous man, in the same way that adolf hitler was a dangerous man.

/a.h. deserves no caps. If Paul keeps this shit up, neither will he.

552 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:54:04pm

re: #543 Sandi

re: #541 Fearless Fred

re: #517 NY Nana


I hope that the horrific assassination of Mrs. Bhutto will wake Americans up, as they vote in straw polls, primaries, etc., to Job One, the WOT....Rudy is the only one who has a clue, and the Dems are pathetic.I do not see how Ron Paul was allowed to run as a Republican, and the quicker he is jettisoned, the better.


I love what you say, except that Fred Thompson has an even better grip on the whole thing ...... and he's more sane and level and conservative and decent even than Rudy . . . and I'm a fan of Rudy's .... I love Rudy and would be happy to see him battle and crush the Hildabeast! .... but Fred's better yet! Dr. Paul should go back to Surfside and fish, or hunt seashells.

Hey I have given to Paul's Congressional rival for his seat. Chris Penden is great! He is ahead of Paul and it looks like Paul may lose his House Seat too!

[Link: www.chrispeden.org...]

go to this site and click on news releases...seems the local papers even think Paul is a nut bag. LOL

Hmm ... he looks good ..... I like everything I saw except his dumb support for the 'war on drugs' ....... dumb dumb dumb ...... I'll look more closely later ..... gotta run rt now .... thanks for posting this though. Ron needs some stiff competition .... i hate the power of incumbency ... and Ron's turning into quite an incumbent.

553 Obsidiandog  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:54:22pm

re: #13 Andy Dufresne

The biggest mystery is how this clown has been re-elected by the people in his Texas district over and over again. Perhaps that's the most shameful thing with Ron Paul.

Well, The Good Dr. Paul birthed all them voters!

554 LEGION  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:55:48pm

Coo coo coo Coooo Koo koo koo koo- Paulie's brain works like a clock, so we'll call him Coo koo koooo.

555 NavyBrat  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:55:49pm

P*ss off Ron Paul. You idiot.

556 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:56:11pm

re: #261 shug

Tool making Chimp rhymes with Ron Paul Blimp

/just sayin'

Good candidate for a rotating title.

557 yenta-fada  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 5:56:58pm

re: #544 Tangonine

On some of the previous (many) Ron Paul threads, it was said that Ron Paul supporters issued death threats to Glenn Beck before Paul's appearance on his TV show. Having read altogether too much by his many vocal supporters on gold sites, I am constantly spooked about the passion/fanaticism of his followers. Armed fanatics are dangerous. You can bet Ron Paul supporters are the guns and gold type who see the State as a villain. While Ron Paul represents the State, he cleverly taps into this anti-government paranoia. I feel sorry for the lizards in New Hampshire. With the state motto of "live free or die", many in New Hampshire seem eager to bring on having to make just that choice.
It's unspeakably creepy.

558 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:00:21pm

re: #541 Fearless Fred

You know already what I think of Fred the arab lover...and Ron Paul is no better, but he is not really a Republican.

If Fred appointed Spencer Abraham without vetting him thoroughly on his positions on the border, and arabs who side with terrorists? Then he is not fit to hold office. And if he knew already? He is not fit to hold office. Ronald Reagan he is not.

Yes, Abraham is gone, but he never should have been there in the first place, even as a floor sweeper.

559 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:00:43pm

re: #538 Former Belgian

re: #527 Fearless Fred

re: #229 SaneInMN

John Derbyshire is more disgraceful today than usual...Check out his posts at The Corner, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He is an embarrassment to NRO, and likely will be relegated to Pat Buchanan status in short order.

I'm searching ...... whatever was it that so offended you? please help.

Fred

He seems to have joined the L. Ron Paul cult. As has the BBC editor for North America (bien étonnés de se trouver ensemble/quite surprise to find themselves together).

I'm still so confused ...... never have I ever thought any of Derby's writings ( I don't listen to his radio show) disgraceful. I've read him for years. I'm at a loss. he's a great guy ..... fabulous, best as I can tell.

I wonder how he has embarrased NR. I could be wrong. Please help.

560 Tangonine  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:05:46pm

re: #557 yenta-fada

re: #544 Tangonine

On some of the previous (many) Ron Paul threads, it was said that Ron Paul supporters issued death threats to Glenn Beck before Paul's appearance on his TV show. Having read altogether too much by his many vocal supporters on gold sites, I am constantly spooked about the passion/fanaticism of his followers. Armed fanatics are dangerous. You can bet Ron Paul supporters are the guns and gold type who see the State as a villain. While Ron Paul represents the State, he cleverly taps into this anti-government paranoia. I feel sorry for the lizards in New Hampshire. With the state motto of "live free or die", many in New Hampshire seem eager to bring on having to make just that choice.
It's unspeakably creepy.

There's a pile of his supporters that are absolutely as extremist as he is, of that there is no doubt. There is, however, a large contigent of ordinary folks that, through their own failure to do research, think he's a savior. It's those folks we need to guide back into the conservative fold :)

561 Smoke TNT  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:12:06pm

The crazy train keeps on rolling.

562 mungagungadin  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:18:42pm

At least RP is dependably crazy. Most nuts cannot be expected to perform on queue.

563 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:23:03pm

The Onray Aulpay blimp.

Hat tip: Egfrow

564 Alas  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:39:04pm

Ron Paul: A true American traitor.

565 burnt toast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:39:20pm

re: #554 LEGION

Coo coo coo Coooo Koo koo koo koo- Paulie's brain works like a clock, so we'll call him Coo koo koooo.


Only a robot would vote for Ron Raul and a clock is an early form of robot. Coincidence? I think not.

Somebody get George Noory on the horn!

566 deportman  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:44:25pm

L. Ron proves he is insane.

567 fsjonesy  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:44:55pm

re: #557 yenta-fada

re: #544 Tangonine

On some of the previous (many) Ron Paul threads, it was said that Ron Paul supporters issued death threats to Glenn Beck before Paul's appearance on his TV show. Having read altogether too much by his many vocal supporters on gold sites, I am constantly spooked about the passion/fanaticism of his followers. Armed fanatics are dangerous. You can bet Ron Paul supporters are the guns and gold type who see the State as a villain. While Ron Paul represents the State, he cleverly taps into this anti-government paranoia. I feel sorry for the lizards in New Hampshire. With the state motto of "live free or die", many in New Hampshire seem eager to bring on having to make just that choice.
It's unspeakably creepy.

The death threats made against him and his family was the main reason he chose to interview Paul in the first place.

568 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 6:59:25pm

re: #567 fsjonesy

The death threats made against him and his family was the main reason he chose to interview Paul in the first place.

Can you quote were he said it was the death threats? Glenn Beck said several times on his radio show that he asked Ron Paul to come on the TV show and Ron Paul and his people refused.

569 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:01:16pm

fsjonesy,
I don't doubt you, I think that Ron Paul supporters are fascist leftist that would threaten anyone. I would just like to find a link to that info.

570 Deborah  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:02:46pm

This is ridiculous
I believe that we must stand for the truth - those that will oppose the truth will eventually be found out for what they are doing

571 the Daily Kos Om Islaam  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:05:36pm

I am disappointed the majority of lizards have resorted to hurtling insults and obscenities at Ron Paul. Apparently their collective vocabularly is too weak to affect an intelligent expression of their views. I do not care what you think of Ron Paul. Calling him an "asshat's asshat" makes you no better than a frequenter of the Daily Kos. Absolutely no better.

/steps down off soapbox

572 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:06:22pm

re: #486 jimsaco

Having actually been deployed to Iraq twice, let me remind you of the following:

1) Salmon Pak terrorist training facility - in Iraq.
2) Saddam paid $25,000 to the family members of "palestinian" suicide bombers who successfully murdered Israelis in the act of blowing themselves up.
3) Saddam remained in blatant violation of multiple UN resolutions/directives dating from the Persian Gulf War for over 10 years, repeatedly trying to hide his WMD efforts from inspectors.
4) The presence of literally MILES and MILES of ammunition bunkers we found in Iraq, surrounded by barbed wire and filled to the brim with "pesticides" of an organophosphate chemical base that is quickly and easily converted into a highly concentrated nerve agent.
5) Abu Nidal is one of many terrorists who fled to Iraq to avoid extradition and criminal charges for terrorist attacks against western interests.

This doesn't even touch on his human rights abuses against the Kurds (whom he attacked with chemicals) and his police state tactics responsible for untold number of murders - with most reputable estimates being far above anything credibly mentioned as 'collateral damage/deaths' from our liberation of Iraq.

It was collosally stupid for the British and French to have ignored the wehrmacht occupation of Alsaice-Lorraine. It was criminally stupid for Carter to have allowed US citizens to be held hostage for 444 days by a thuggish satanic theocracy. The only stupid thing about our liberation of Iraq was being too lenient on the islamofascist forces there. Certainly there have been mistakes made, and in hindsight it is easy for the armchair generals to take potshots at the initial conduct of the post-combat stabilization....especially when it gives the leftist gooseturds opportunity to lambast a republican president.

Like it or not, you cannot fight with the methods of the last war. These bastards don't play by Geneva rules, and they sure as hell don't offer a formal declaration of war embossed on 67# vellum parchment before they attack. Rules are great when playing games or conducting business in a civilized society, but when you are at war "playing by the rules" means you are fighting with severe handicaps against an enemy like this.

War is a terrible, brutal, horrific activity. The undeniable truth is that when you are perceived as weak and docile by an evil enemy unbound by any kind of morality, the savagery with which you will be forced to respond is directly related to the magnitude of your perceived military impotence. I would argue it is FAR more moral to have such an incredibly destructive war machine that any potential enemy soils his burka at the mere threat of a visit from GI Joe, than to turn our swords into plowshares, take cultural sensitivity courses, and sing 'kumbaya' in 12 part disharmony while passing around the bong.

Sorry how disjointed this is, but I'm at work waiting on another military baby being born. Gosh, I'm SO proud of the virility/fertility of our military members. If we keep this up, we'll outnumber the moonbats in less than 15 years!

573 DoubleU  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:10:27pm

re: #548 NY Nana

Give? Not bloody likely! As a New Yorker, I am suffering under Shrillary's iron fist...but the Billaries sure knew how to steal trucks full of goodies from the White House.

Sarcasm Nana, sarcasm... The mindless fools feel the democrats are going to give them free everything. FREE FREE FREE!

I am originally from the STATE of New York, and visiting for Christmas. When asked why I came to visit I told one person so I can get used to what it will be like under Hillary.... cold, dark, gray with pillars of salt all over.

I read in the local paper quoting people on who they were going to vote for. One woman said, "Oh Hillary has done a lot for New York, so I am going to give her a try." I shouted back at the paper, "Name one thing." (Paper didn't answer back)

574 kaziggy2  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:12:30pm

Oh my GAWD! Its so embarrassing to listen to him spew. I can't believe people actually give him money to continue in the race.

575 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:17:23pm

There are a *lot* of Americans who are starting to throw their support behind Luap.

I was listening to a program where a lady in some American State was saying how she was a Luap Nor! supporter due to his position on aliens (she didn't specify whether it was inner or outer ones, but it didn't matter).

I'm REALLY beginning to suspect that Ol' Ron might turn out to be the dark horse (anti-semitic and other wise) of this election.

Watch out America~!

You may get what you wish for....

~Norsk Troll

576 pocomoco  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:23:11pm

Ron Paul is America’s court jester and today’s version of The Perfect Fool made famous by comedian Ed Wynn in the early half of the 1900’s.

Wynn’s schtick was making no sense out of what he did or said.

Kinda sounds like Ron Paul, doesn’t it?

577 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:23:16pm

re: #543 Sandi

re: #541 Fearless Fred

re: #517 NY Nana

I hope that the horrific assassination of Mrs. Bhutto will wake Americans up, as they vote in straw polls, primaries, etc., to Job One, the WOT....Rudy is the only one who has a clue, and the Dems are pathetic.I do not see how Ron Paul was allowed to run as a Republican, and the quicker he is jettisoned, the better.

I love what you say, except that Fred Thompson has an even better grip on the whole thing ...... and he's more sane and level and conservative and decent even than Rudy . . . and I'm a fan of Rudy's .... I love Rudy and would be happy to see him battle and crush the Hildabeast! .... but Fred's better yet! Dr. Paul should go back to Surfside and fish, or hunt seashells.
Hey I have given to Paul's Congressional rival for his seat. Chris Penden is great! He is ahead of Paul and it looks like Paul may lose his House Seat too!

[Link: www.chrispeden.org...]

go to this site and click on news releases...seems the local papers even think Paul is a nut bag. LOL

Thanks for that link- poking around the local papers I found the answer to the question I aske way upthread- yes RP can run for president and re-election to the House at the same time- it's been the law in Texas since 1959. Also, he can use all the money he has raised in either or both races as he sees fit. Go to "In The News" and the Friendswood Journal article for an interesting local take on Paul.

578 mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:33:36pm

Q-burn,
Did you know this guy took down the swastika flag and put up an American flag and lined his fence with Ron Paul signs. Classy makeover.

579 bour3  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:35:25pm

I'm glad to see he's taken my advice and had his eyebrows trimmed.

580 abu_garcia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:38:32pm

re: #572 Babydoc97

4) The presence of literally MILES and MILES of ammunition bunkers we found in Iraq, surrounded by barbed wire and filled to the brim with "pesticides" of an organophosphate chemical base that is quickly and easily converted into a highly concentrated nerve agent.

Expand please - links, reports. Not that I doubt you, I just want to bookmark it for future reference.

581 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:44:47pm

re: #578 mich-again

Q-burn,
Did you know this guy took down the swastika flag and put up an American flag and lined his fence with Ron Paul signs. Classy makeover.

That's interesting. There are four houses with Ron Paul signs within two blocks of my house. I live in a very Republican area in Texas, not a swastika in sight. However, I did see a Fred Thompson sign yesterday, the first sign I have seen for any candidate other than Paul..

582 ocelot  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:45:16pm

#571:

Ok, I'll bite.

Ron Paul's remarks at one of the debates suggested
that bin-Ladenism is, in part, a response to US interventionism
in the Middle East. Rudy went apesh*t, and the MSM
took it all out of context.

Ron Paul's remarks today use more guarded language.
We intervened in internal Pakistani affairs. There are a lot
of violent people there. Because we push levers there at all,
some of the levers are people-go-nasty levers.

The former expresses a conservative anti-interventionist
position, the latter, a reactionary position, rightly called
isolationist.

Ron Paul does national politics. Everyone who's
anyone at that level has had some endorsements
that turn out to be unappealing. Racists of all sorts
have a history of supporting, in their quiet ways,
various candidates. So, one might overlook RP's
alleged acceptance of the support of white supremacists.

But truthers? His half-hearted disagreement with their is
disingenuous for anyone in his position. Has the government
told all they know about 9/11? Maybe not. It's trivia, valuable
for future security review. The highlights of the plot are well
established. Bad Saudi dudes hijack planes, pilot them into
buildings. There were hundreds of independent witnesses
to the plane crashes. I don't think I need to recite any more
to this crowd. Michael Moore did better dissing the truthers.

So there it is in a nutshell: Ron Paul is an isolationist. I
disagree with that. Ron Paul has a coterie of insane
dedicated supporters, refuses to dismiss them, and
even entertains them. I disagree with the two sorts
I mentioned here.

If you are an isolationist truther member of the
Master Race (we're marching to a faster pace!),
then Ron Paul is your man.

It's sad, because way back when,
his libertarian views had an appeal.

ocelot

583 Math Guique  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:46:46pm

Well, I know whenever I get annoyed, the first thing I do is fly a plane into a skyscraper.

584 Math Guique  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 7:56:31pm

re: #571 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

Well, it's not clear what term to apply to a fellow who explains the actions of mass murderers by saying they are "annoyed." It is natural for decent people to be revolted by this. You may quibble with the way some express their revulsion, but this is not a literary forum.

585 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:10:30pm

re: #581 Q-Burn

How about how he flies the Saudi flag right below the American flag? Sure is one big tent huh?

586 mbabbitt  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:11:08pm

Anyone but Ron Paul. He is now officially nuts.

587 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:16:44pm

re: #585 Mich-again

You have an anecdote from your neighborhood and I have an anecdote from mine.

588 Edouard  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:33:01pm
I am disappointed the majority of lizards have resorted to hurtling insults and obscenities at Ron Paul. Apparently their collective vocabularly is too weak to affect an intelligent expression of their views. I do not care what you think of Ron Paul. Calling him an "asshat's asshat" makes you no better than a frequenter of the Daily Kos. Absolutely no better.

You are exaggerating, and frankly I find you to be "hurtling" [sic] an insult of your own at "the majority of lizards", when the majority in no way deserve your "hurtle." Nor do I see any "collective weak vocabularly" [sic] here.

These comments by Ron Paul are frankly an insult to America. Insulting him back is merely returning serve, to use tennis parlance, and I don't have a problem with anyone reacting angrily at him, when he or she rightly perceives his comments as a slap in the face.

The proper response to ridiculous comments by a candidate for public office is to ridicule them.

589 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:34:53pm

re: #587 Q-Burn

re: #585 Mich-again

You have an anecdote from your neighborhood and I have an anecdote from mine.

You might have an anecdote but I got an Extremist Home Makeover anecdote. Ha. Do the lawn signs come from RP HQ with warning labels to remove all swastikas from the lawn first?

590 jordash1212  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:37:36pm

It has nothing to do with intolerance, Congressman Paul?

591 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:39:03pm

Re: #580 abu_garcia

Sorry about how long it took me to reply. Just got home from work.

First off, I personally SAW these bunkers during my Gulf War deployment. However, knowing how much credibility that particular statement has in the blogosphere, here are some links for you to check out:

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]
Timmerman’s article from Insight magazine.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]
The Iraq Survey Group final report, giving extensive background into Iraq’s chemical weapons activities and the “dual-use” deception relating to organophosphate “pesticides” up until the liberation of Iraq.

[Link: biglizards.net...]
A blog that relies on both the Timmerman article and the ISG report, but condenses things down rather nicely.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]4th site...discussing the same info.

I can assure you, whether you want to accept it or not, I saw these bunkers filled with large drums of “pesticides”. I saw the razor wire fences the Iraqi military had placed around these bunkers....which, coincidentally, were half-buried in the ground exactly like military ammunition dumps are set up. Why on earth would the Iraqi government need miles and miles of pesticide filled ammunition bunkers?

Hope that helps.

592 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:46:12pm

re: #558 NY Nana

re: #541 Fearless Fred

You know already what I think of Fred the arab lover...and Ron Paul is no better, but he is not really a Republican.

If Fred appointed Spencer Abraham without vetting him thoroughly on his positions on the border, and arabs who side with terrorists? Then he is not fit to hold office. And if he knew already? He is not fit to hold office. Ronald Reagan he is not.

Yes, Abraham is gone, but he never should have been there in the first place, even as a floor sweeper.

Hi NY Nana! -- I guess I just don't see any reason to believe that the association with Abraham means whatever you think it means. I'm not saying you're wrong -- I just don't see the evidence that Fred is soft on Terrorism. Abraham's past doesn't inform me about Fred.

Federico

593 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:46:24pm

Q-burn, I know that Paul is no Nazi, and I am not accusing him of being one by pointing out the local nutjob who took down the swastika flag the same day he put up the Ron Paul signs. I just don't see why he should have took down the first flag. Whats wrong with him expressing his opinion? Is the Paul campaign squelching his freedom of speech?

594 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:46:24pm

re: #589 Mich-again

re: #587 Q-Burn

re: #585 Mich-again

You have an anecdote from your neighborhood and I have an anecdote from mine.

You might have an anecdote but I got an Extremist Home Makeover anecdote. Ha. Do the lawn signs come from RP HQ with warning labels to remove all swastikas from the lawn first?

No, but the funny thing is... the one yard sign I saw up close had fine print saying it was NOT affiliated or endorsed by the campaign... just like the blimp is not affiliated with the campaign. Three out of the four RP houses look normal. One has a rusty pickup with Alex Jones and truther stickers in the driveway. Walking the dogs all the time I notice these things...

595 abu_garcia  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:51:52pm

re: #591 Babydoc97

I can assure you, whether you want to accept it or not, I saw these bunkers filled with large drums of “pesticides”.

Thanks.

I accept it, I just keep a file on this sort of things to refer to in discussions and had not seen the specific references to those large amounts of pesticides.

596 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:52:55pm

re: #594 Q-Burn

... just like the blimp is not affiliated with the campaign.

Really. That indy blimp is on shaky legal ground what with the all the gobbleygook buried deep in McCain-Feingold. I don't know if there is a controlling legal authority about campaign blimps not officially tied down to the campaign.

597 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:53:10pm

re: #593 Mich-again

Wow, simultaneous posting to the second. No, I blame Debbie Schlussel for oppressing this poor man's freedom of speech by posting those pictures on her blog! Isn't that a hate crime?

598 Fearless Fred  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:54:31pm

re: #564 Alas

Ron Paul: A true American traitor.

Not a traitor .... just a politician enjoying the high and power he feels from (mis)leading idiots like my sister and her husband. They're like 25, 35, and even 45 year old teenagers.

599 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 8:58:06pm

re: #595 abu_garcia

You are most welcome. Glad to be of service, Sir. My hope is that the more people actually research the actual data/facts, the more will come to enlightenment and truth through critical analysis...eventually leading to complete agreement with me....:P

/sarc turned off....sort of...

600 Babydoc97  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:01:33pm

Good night, sweet lizards...parting is such sweet sorrow, etc., etc.

But I'm freakin beat and need to inspect my eyelids for light leaks. See y'all tomorrow.

601 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:04:33pm

re: #597 Q-Burn

re: #593 Mich-again

Wow, simultaneous posting to the second. No, I blame Debbie Schlussel for oppressing this poor man's freedom of speech by posting those pictures on her blog! Isn't that a hate crime?

The problem with that is she posted those pictures November 7th. And it was still up for like 49 days until Christmas Eve morning when I drove by and saw the new Ron Paul signs and I mentioned it here. Then on the 26th the swastika flag is gone.

Ha. Gone bit not forgotten.

602 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:06:05pm

re: #592 Fearless Fred

I judge people by the company they keep. Fred is no friend to the Jews. I don't have to worry about voting for him. He will not be on the ballot next November, and in NY, when we vote, NY Grampa and I are voting for Rudy. We know where he stands, and is no fair weather friend, and sadly, knows more about terrorism than any other candidate.

As this election is so hard to call, and now with the dreadful assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the election will be affected, and IMHO, the WOT will again be front and center. It is Rudy's to lose, and if he does? We will be in deep dog poop.

I am fed up with the process that has the next campaign begin as soon as a politician is sworn into office.

603 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:15:21pm

re: #601 Mich-again

So... Ron Paul stole his swastika? On Boxing Day no less? Is there no end to the vast Ron Paul conspiracy? Don't answer that...

604 So?  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:20:57pm

There are no more candidates on both sides of the political window. The Bhutto assassination has flushed them all out and flushed them all down the toilet where they belong. Fuck em all.

605 Orde  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:22:36pm

re: #250 Whiterasta

Who gave this barking, bat-shat, assclown a medical degree?

Duke. He's actually a bright and knowledgeable guy, who just happens to be a libertarian, which is not utterly withou merit, and he has disturbing connections to white supremacists. He has legitimate negatives to be criticized for, but on this thread a lot of people are just calling him names and slamming him for positions he doesn't adhere to, that's not right.

606 New York's Michael  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:28:05pm

Fortunately ron(the dingbat bigot)paul is doing so badly in the polls the mainstream media is not even covering him.

607 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:28:17pm

re: #602 NY Nana

I am fed up with the process that has the next campaign begin as soon as a politician is sworn into office.

Oh you and me both. It never stops. A big part of the fault goes to the horrible 17th Amendment that changed how we elect Senators. The Senate was supposed to be insulated from heated politics and preserve Federalism. Our Government is missing one of the self correcting factors our Founding Fathers knew we needed.

608 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:33:23pm

re: #607 Mich-again

re: #602 NY Nana

I am fed up with the process that has the next campaign begin as soon as a politician is sworn into office.
Oh you and me both. It never stops. A big part of the fault goes to the horrible 17th Amendment that changed how we elect Senators. The Senate was supposed to be insulated from heated politics and preserve Federalism. Our Government is missing one of the self correcting factors our Founding Fathers knew we needed.

And something has got to be done about the effed up primary system. Why is our national destiny held hostage to Iowa and New Hampshire every four years? Is that in the Constitution? At the very least, the early primary dates should be rotated around to different states.

609 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:39:15pm

re: #573 DoubleU

re: #548 NY Nana


Give? Not bloody likely! As a New Yorker, I am suffering under Shrillary's iron fist...but the Billaries sure knew how to steal trucks full of goodies from the White House.

Sarcasm Nana, sarcasm... The mindless fools feel the democrats are going to give them free everything. FREE FREE FREE!

I am originally from the STATE of New York, and visiting for Christmas. When asked why I came to visit I told one person so I can get used to what it will be like under Hillary.... cold, dark, gray with pillars of salt all over.

I read in the local paper quoting people on who they were going to vote for. One woman said, "Oh Hillary has done a lot for New York, so I am going to give her a try." I shouted back at the paper, "Name one thing." (Paper didn't answer back)

Didn't answer back? Shocka! ;) Upstate? Although it is not as bad as downstate. I am originally from Boston, so to me, NY is almost sane, in comparison.

Just pray that Shrill is toast after Iowa, and if she(?) makes it to NH? Gone!

This one so is Shrillary....

610 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:41:00pm

re: #603 Q-Burn

re: #601 Mich-again

So... Ron Paul stole his swastika? On Boxing Day no less? Is there no end to the vast Ron Paul conspiracy? Don't answer that...

Your answers are getting harder to understand. What was that, a joke? Dude, I aint joking and this isn't a conspiracy theory. Its Telegraph Road. There are thousands of cars every day that go past that guy's house and see his display. And for months he's been flying his homemade Swastika flag along with Saudi and Palestinian flags.

I'm just wondering what you think about the guy who took down his swastika flag and put up Ron Paul signs. I wasn't asking you if you thought it was all true.

But your avoiding the question is interesting. It shows a lack of conviction.

611 profitsbeard  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:44:53pm

Does Paul, the Doctor, blame patients when their cancer metastasizes because they annoyed in some way?

Is his underwear tinfoil, too?

612 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:48:05pm

re: #611 profitsbeard

No and no. Any other questions?

613 Q-Burn  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:48:58pm

re: #610 Mich-again

I have no idea about that crazy guy and his motivations. All i can do is speculate or joke, I was doing a little of both.

614 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:50:25pm

re: #608 Q-Burn

Why is our national destiny held hostage to Iowa and New Hampshire every four years?

Vote for whoever you want to vote for. The heck with what they say in Iowa and New Hampshire.

615 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:50:33pm

re: #607 Mich-again

Bravo! I was a product of the WWII generation..born in 1938, and remember the old-fashioned whistle stop campaigns..no TV. Smoky back rooms, no conventions, and John Q. Public actually could run for office. Now? Silky Pony is richer that a lot of the Republicans, as are other Dems. But there is no fairness. I would love to see a National Primary Day. Period.

I think that voter apathy and burn-out are now as high as Mt. Rushmore's peak.

In the words of the immortal Pogo?

'We have seen the enemy, and he is us..'

It is time for the voters to speak out. I can't do math very well, therefore I can't begin to estimate the total cost of one Presidential election...numbers are too high to deal with. I would assume it is larger than the entire budget of Luxembourg, and at least 3 other countries. That includes the conventions...I don't watch, as they tend to put me to sleep.

616 h0mi  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:51:15pm

wow. I thought Haaretz had the fiskie wrapped up. 2 comments worthy of fiskies in 1 day.

617 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:52:03pm

re: #611 profitsbeard

His Attends™ must be industrial size.

618 pasturedon  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:52:31pm

Funny, I watched the video carefully. Didn't hear anything about Al Qaida.

I have my own disagreements with Ron Paul, but it's laughable to see some commenters here suggesting that he's a traitor to America because he opposes the US being entangled in various unsavory foreign political fights. Paul is too simplistic - but frankly he didn't say anything very different from what Mark Steyn wrote today at NRO.

I met Bhutto at an event at Hillsdale College a few years ago and was really impressed with her. But I have to admit that Steyn has a point - this was a tragedy waiting to happen.

BTW, for those who don't bother to read what people actually say and want to flame me as a Ron Paul supporter, flame away. I won't be listening.

619 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 9:57:31pm

re: #613 Q-Burn

I have no idea about that crazy guy and his motivations

I say this, test the logic by putting it to the extreme. And in his case, the extreme version of his logic fails badly.

620 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:01:38pm

re: #618 pasturedon

I agree that much of the crap slung at Ron Paul is just that. But I do have very big problems with his simplistic Bircher worldview.

621 mph  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:05:31pm

Not happy to admit it, but Ron Paul is partially correct. The State Department was encouraging Bhutto to return and they were seeking to arrange a power sharing agreement between her and Musharraf -- seeking to transition this nation loaded with islamo-crazies into a "democracy." Clearly the move has backfired and further destabilized an already fragile state.

622 PastureDon  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:11:25pm

re: #620 Mich-again

Thanks. That's a point well taken. I used to have a very close familiarity with the JBS and it was never a particularly libertarian group - at least not openly. They didn't care much for Ayn Rand, but they were always fiercely small-govt. oriented. Somewhere along the line they jumped the track.

A big irritation for me these days is that too many of us can't claim to be much better. Blog comments sometimes are really perceptive and add new information - but often they're little more than cheerleading and ad hominem (of the bathroom wall sort of insult). I wish that Ron Paul had the sense to disavow some of the nutcases who follow him - but then every public speaker seems to draw their own unique bunch of crackpots.

My nephew (a Bircher) is convinced Paul is the answer - a return to the strict Constitutional limits of govt. And he's quite intelligent and level headed. But what to do with the crazies (like the guy whose swastika came down to make room for his Ron Paul sign)? And how can we have a credible conservative movement with so much hot-headed rhetoric?

623 PastureDon  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:13:47pm

FWIW I'm going with NRO's recommendation of Mitt Romney. I don't fully trust him - but maybe that's the best way to be with the political animal. I wouldn't trust my mother if you elected her president.

624 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:15:36pm

re: #615 NY Nana

My dad turned 75 on Christmas Day and mom is still around to give him a to-do list every day so I have some first hand perspective into the mindset of those born in the 30's. And I can identify with it and hope I make it that far. Don't be wasteful, Pull your weight, Waking up makes you lucky that day.

625 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:20:45pm

re: #622 PastureDon

Blog comments sometimes are really perceptive and add new information - but often they're little more than cheerleading and ad hominem (of the bathroom wall sort of insult).

True. Radicalism breeds radicalism.

626 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:38:19pm

re: #624 Mich-again

Mazel tov on your Dad's 75th! I will be 70 on 20 January..I was also brought up with similiar values. And my 4 adult kids look at us with 'the look'! It is a very different world.

You are blessed to still have your parents, but I know that we can be a pain in the neck! ;)

627 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:50:31pm

re: #626 NY Nana


You are blessed to still have your parents,

I let G* know every day how lucky I feel for that.. :-)

628 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:56:58pm

re: #627 Mich-again

I let G* know every day how lucky I feel for that..

Oh, you are so lucky. I lost mine 15 days apart when I was 45, and as an only? Almost 25 years later, I seem to miss them more, not less. Holidays are especially hard.

I think our 4 are beginning to realize that we are not teen agers any more. ;)

And the 7 year old granddaughter? When she asked me how old I am going to be, and I said '70'? Those eyes were the size of saucers, and for once, Miss Motor Mouth did not quite know what to say!

629 NY Nana  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 10:58:56pm

Off to sleep. G'nite, all!

630 Noah's Arrrgh  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 11:31:43pm

I've noticed a pattern of reductionism in Ron Paul's wolrdview. All evil is the result of straying off the golden brick road of his libertarian ideology. No matter what the evil is: inflation, pollution, racism, anti-semitism, jihadism, etc., his opinion is that the evil wouldn't have emerged if we had just followed the true path.

It really doesn't sound to me like he's got enough common sense to be president.

631 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 11:32:17pm

re: #197 ArielBenjamin

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is not whacky. His absurd comments could not be better calculated to appeal to a very wide crosssection of Westerners who cherish the fantasy that Jihad is a reasoned response to Western evil-doing. In their minds, any foreign issue can be reduced (through a few bumbling oversimplifications) to a matter that would readily solve itself if only the West would become more isolationist. Many of his believers are intelligent gullible, well-meaning people who have neither traveled much nor read much history, and who could never imagine that their support for him makes them indirect advocates of Jihadist terror. Sad, sad, sad..


There... fixed that for ya.

632 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Thu, Dec 27, 2007 11:33:58pm

re: #631 RightOnTheLeftCoast

re: #197 ArielBenjamin


Unfortunately, Ron Paul is not whacky. His absurd comments could not be better calculated to appeal to a very wide crosssection of Westerners who cherish the fantasy that Jihad is a reasoned response to Western evil-doing. In their minds, any foreign issue can be reduced (through a few bumbling oversimplifications) to a matter that would readily solve itself if only the West would become more isolationist. Many of his believers are intelligent gullible, well-meaning people who have neither traveled much nor read much history, and who could never imagine that their support for him makes them indirect advocates of Jihadist terror. Sad, sad, sad..

There... fixed that for ya.


Oops... screwed that up... PIMF ...
Second time's the charm. :oP

633 hershel  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 12:19:35am

re: #605 Orde

"... a lot of people are just calling him names and slamming him for positions he doesn't adhere to, that's not right."

It is *exactly* right. Paul consistently spews out why-do-they-hate-us-blame-it-on-America rhetoric worse than any of the Democratic candidates with the possible exception of Kucinich.

Beyond that, he is fanatically hostile to Israel. I was checking out some congressional votes the other day, and there were some resolutions in support of Israel where the only two "no" votes were Paul and Kucinich. Even the most notorious anti-Zionist moonbats like Abercrombie, McDermott, Waters and Moron (not a misspelling) voted for these resolutions.

But the one vote I will never, EVER, forgive him for is his vote to continue aid to the Hamas terrorist government. That's right, this small-government, non-interventionist libertarian wants to give taxpayers' money to foreign terrorists who are trying to kill me. FUCK HIM.

634 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 12:27:09am

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

635 bayoubarrister  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 1:47:10am

Bush's fault? cheney's fault? They never state the totally obvious- it's radical (and moderate) islam's fault!

636 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 2:33:30am

re: #569 DoubleU

Right on the show! Glenn showed ron the u tube video! and the letters! At Glenn's Akron Book signing the man from the utube video in the trnch coat came up to Glenn and told him.... "see I can get this close" Glenn had to hire extra security...one from a swat team. Glenn has mentioned this many times on his show too. Ron Paul types are what the Timothy McVeighs are made of. Watch out...if Paul does not get the nomination...a Timothy McVeigh type will come out of that crazy crowd. And I blame Ron Paul for anything that happens. If he can not control his minions ...he can not control a country!

637 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 2:42:58am

re: #632 RightOnTheLeftCoast

re: #631 RightOnTheLeftCoast


re: #197 ArielBenjamin

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is not whacky. His absurd comments could not be better calculated to appeal to a very wide crosssection of Westerners who cherish the fantasy that Jihad is a reasoned response to Western evil-doing. In their minds, any foreign issue can be reduced (through a few bumbling oversimplifications) to a matter that would readily solve itself if only the West would become more isolationist. Many of his believers are intelligent gullible, well-meaning people who have neither traveled much nor read much history, and who could never imagine that their support for him makes them indirect advocates of Jihadist terror. Sad, sad, sad..

There... fixed that for ya.

Oops... screwed that up... PIMF ...
Second time's the charm. :oP


LOL and half of them are in college on GOVERNMENT PELL GRANTS AND GOVERNMENT STUDENT LOANS....yet they support a man who wants to end all that. I am sooo glad to see our education system works sooo well for our young LOL LOL LOL.

638 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 2:52:34am

re: #634 Mal' Rider

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.


Yep... they lost any respect I had for them. BUT the Ron Paul campaign has been highjacked by the Extremeist Liberatarians, KKK, CAIR, Code Pink, Moveon.org, Neo Nazis, and Indy Media types...mix in the Militia Mc Veigh crowd and Anarcists. They one thing I will say for Ron Paul...he sure is no GWB...Paul is a Uniter not a Divider....thanks Ron I hope you can pick up an endorsement by Louis Farrakaan...that would seal the deal for me.

639 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 3:08:13am

Ron Paul the Neville Chamberlin of the 21 Century, nothing more then a coward, I wonder if this nut is on a day pass from a State Hospital for the Insane?

640 Dustyvet  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 3:11:42am

re: #635 bayoubarrister

Bush's fault? cheney's fault? They never state the totally obvious- it's radical (and moderate) islam's fault!

Amazing how the left wing radicals want to cuddle up to Radical Islam!

641 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 4:17:23am

re: #638 Sandi

re: #634 Mal' Rider


Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

Yep... they lost any respect I had for them. BUT the Ron Paul campaign has been highjacked by the Extremeist Liberatarians, KKK, CAIR, Code Pink, Moveon.org, Neo Nazis, and Indy Media types...mix in the Militia Mc Veigh crowd and Anarcists. They one thing I will say for Ron Paul...he sure is no GWB...Paul is a Uniter not a Divider....thanks Ron I hope you can pick up an endorsement by Louis Farrakaan...that would seal the deal for me.

Sandi,

Good points. IMO, the problem is that the radicals within the movement itself really do not seem to be that far apart from Pauls own viewpoints/public pronouncements. Maybe the problem has less to do with the people involved in the movement and more to do with the leader of it? Could it be that Paul has found a common connection with these loons for a good reason?

The man is quick to blame America for all the worlds ills, but when has he ever spoke positively about the overwhelming good she has done? He could have kept his trap shut for a moment while the woman was at least given a proper burial, but couldn't even wait that long before he turned her murder into an anti-American talking point? I can't believe this guy's an elected official, even at the local level - I truly can't.

642 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 5:21:46am

re: #641 Mal' Rider

re: #638 Sandi


re: #634 Mal' Rider

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

Yep... they lost any respect I had for them. BUT the Ron Paul campaign has been highjacked by the Extremeist Liberatarians, KKK, CAIR, Code Pink, Moveon.org, Neo Nazis, and Indy Media types...mix in the Militia Mc Veigh crowd and Anarcists. They one thing I will say for Ron Paul...he sure is no GWB...Paul is a Uniter not a Divider....thanks Ron I hope you can pick up an endorsement by Louis Farrakaan...that would seal the deal for me.

Sandi,

Good points. IMO, the problem is that the radicals within the movement itself really do not seem to be that far apart from Pauls own viewpoints/public pronouncements. Maybe the problem has less to do with the people involved in the movement and more to do with the leader of it? Could it be that Paul has found a common connection with these loons for a good reason?

The man is quick to blame America for all the worlds ills, but when has he ever spoke positively about the overwhelming good she has done? He could have kept his trap shut for a moment while the woman was at least given a proper burial, but couldn't even wait that long before he turned her murder into an anti-American talking point? I can't believe this guy's an elected official, even at the local level - I truly can't.

well according to the local papers in his district...he is not getting a favorable light. His Republican opponent Chris Penden is doing very well...but Paul can take all his money from the Presidential election and use it for his Congressional run....and according to the local papers...he will need it. Chris has gotten alot of funds from outside the State to defeat Paul. This young GOP only had $300 to run against Paul...now he has millions.

643 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 5:25:51am

re: #642 Sandi

re: #641 Mal' Rider


re: #638 Sandi

re: #634 Mal' Rider

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

Yep... they lost any respect I had for them. BUT the Ron Paul campaign has been highjacked by the Extremeist Liberatarians, KKK, CAIR, Code Pink, Moveon.org, Neo Nazis, and Indy Media types...mix in the Militia Mc Veigh crowd and Anarcists. They one thing I will say for Ron Paul...he sure is no GWB...Paul is a Uniter not a Divider....thanks Ron I hope you can pick up an endorsement by Louis Farrakaan...that would seal the deal for me.

Sandi,
Good points. IMO, the problem is that the radicals within the movement itself really do not seem to be that far apart from Pauls own viewpoints/public pronouncements. Maybe the problem has less to do with the people involved in the movement and more to do with the leader of it? Could it be that Paul has found a common connection with these loons for a good reason?

The man is quick to blame America for all the worlds ills, but when has he ever spoke positively about the overwhelming good she has done? He could have kept his trap shut for a moment while the woman was at least given a proper burial, but couldn't even wait that long before he turned her murder into an anti-American talking point? I can't believe this guy's an elected official, even at the local level - I truly can't.


well according to the local papers in his district...he is not getting a favorable light. His Republican opponent Chris Penden is doing very well...but Paul can take all his money from the Presidential election and use it for his Congressional run....and according to the local papers...he will need it. Chris has gotten alot of funds from outside the State to defeat Paul. This young GOP only had $300 to run against Paul...now he has millions.


OOOPPS ....It's Chris Peden and he has raised THOUSANDS not Millions...almost a Million!

644 spiff1669  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 5:42:01am

Look on the bright side RP, at least after the primaries you'll still use your blimp to get around.

What a useless tool.

645 brandeisneocon  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 5:49:05am

re: #29 LoneStarLizard

I understand what he's saying about our support for Musharraf.. It is sad when a military dictator is the "lesser evil".. But I believe that in the circumstances, the military dictator is the lesser evil. Just the thought of al queda trying to overthrow a goverment in a nuclear muslim country is the stuff nightmares are made of. In this situation, I think the status quo is the best we can hope for.

As far as the US being responsible for Bhutto's assasination, I really don't see how you would reach that conclusion. I disagree when he says that we shouldn't be further involved over there.. As long as OBL, al queda and the taliban are there it is very much our business and we should be working with the pakistanis to take them out.

Why did it take until quote #29 for someone to have a reasonable reaction to this video? Ron Paul never actually justified the Bhutto assassination or blamed the US. He simply suggested that our interference in Pakistan is having unintended consequences - something Bhutto suggested herself in a recent interview with Parade magazine that's currently online and will be published shortly.

[Link: www.parade.com...]

Most of these comments about Paul are as vile as anything for which you see Charles criticize Kos or Huffington Post.

I'm not suggesting Ron Paul is infallible but to completely discount what he has to say without critical thought is both irresponsible and not becoming of a thoughtful citizen.

646 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 5:57:28am

re: #642 Sandi

re: #641 Mal' Rider


re: #638 Sandi

re: #634 Mal' Rider

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

Yep... they lost any respect I had for them. BUT the Ron Paul campaign has been highjacked by the Extremeist Liberatarians, KKK, CAIR, Code Pink, Moveon.org, Neo Nazis, and Indy Media types...mix in the Militia Mc Veigh crowd and Anarcists. They one thing I will say for Ron Paul...he sure is no GWB...Paul is a Uniter not a Divider....thanks Ron I hope you can pick up an endorsement by Louis Farrakaan...that would seal the deal for me.

Sandi,
Good points. IMO, the problem is that the radicals within the movement itself really do not seem to be that far apart from Pauls own viewpoints/public pronouncements. Maybe the problem has less to do with the people involved in the movement and more to do with the leader of it? Could it be that Paul has found a common connection with these loons for a good reason?

The man is quick to blame America for all the worlds ills, but when has he ever spoke positively about the overwhelming good she has done? He could have kept his trap shut for a moment while the woman was at least given a proper burial, but couldn't even wait that long before he turned her murder into an anti-American talking point? I can't believe this guy's an elected official, even at the local level - I truly can't.


well according to the local papers in his district...he is not getting a favorable light. His Republican opponent Chris Penden is doing very well...but Paul can take all his money from the Presidential election and use it for his Congressional run....and according to the local papers...he will need it. Chris has gotten alot of funds from outside the State to defeat Paul. This young GOP only had $300 to run against Paul...now he has millions.

Sandi,

Here's another question I have, and it hit's home with me because I happen to personally know a die-hard Paulian. What happens to all of that money when Paul fails to get the nomination? Can he use it towards his next congressional run, or does he have to give it all back? The reason I ask is because the guy I know has donated literally thousands to Paul and he only makes around $30K per year. How do I know this? Because he won't stop bragging about it.

If he doesn't get it back in '08, I'm prepared. I've recently purchased a book from Amazon titled - Pyramid Schemes for Dummies. I figure I can at least get the guy to cover my lunch if I can memorize all of the Illuminati conspiracy theory talking points.

/Note to self - leave out Jeffersons entangling attachment with the French during the revolution

647 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 5:59:00am

hit's?
/PIMF

648 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:04:24am

re: #645 brandeisneocon

re: #29 LoneStarLizard


I understand what he's saying about our support for Musharraf.. It is sad when a military dictator is the "lesser evil".. But I believe that in the circumstances, the military dictator is the lesser evil. Just the thought of al queda trying to overthrow a goverment in a nuclear muslim country is the stuff nightmares are made of. In this situation, I think the status quo is the best we can hope for.

As far as the US being responsible for Bhutto's assasination, I really don't see how you would reach that conclusion. I disagree when he says that we shouldn't be further involved over there.. As long as OBL, al queda and the taliban are there it is very much our business and we should be working with the pakistanis to take them out.


Why did it take until quote #29 for someone to have a reasonable reaction to this video? Ron Paul never actually justified the Bhutto assassination or blamed the US. He simply suggested that our interference in Pakistan is having unintended consequences - something Bhutto suggested herself in a recent interview with Parade magazine that's currently online and will be published shortly.

[Link: www.parade.com...]

Most of these comments about Paul are as vile as anything for which you see Charles criticize Kos or Huffington Post.

I'm not suggesting Ron Paul is infallible but to completely discount what he has to say without critical thought is both irresponsible and not becoming of a thoughtful citizen.

The man is an elected American politician and former military vet who doesn't hesistate to blame America for crimes she is simply not guilty of. As an elected official, doesn't he bear the burden of responsible & thoughtful speech?

/ Just askin'

649 canadianconservative  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:12:39am

As a former Libertarian, I had always liked Ron Paul, especially for being a pro-life libertarian.
As time and life experience accumulated, I abandoned libertarianism as a wholesale philosophy, due to (to be kind) it's naivete about the evil that lurks in the hearts of men. They have it back-asswards. While it is probably useful to have a few around so as to hold serious elected officials accountable insofar as government growth and infringements on our rights are concerned, it has not been a movement I can any longer be involved with.
I'm no big fan of Tim Russert, but was pleased that he exposed Paul for the husk he actually is. He's flip-flopped on so many issues, he could be mistaken for Mitt Romney. His greatest appeal is that he is not the establishment candidate. Listening to him on that CNN clip, you might think he was the Democratic establishment candidate!
He may have been able to raise a few shekels quickly, but then again so did Howard Dean. How long will the computer geeks who fund him be willing to keep opening their wallets?
BTW, on Dec. 12th the Libertarian party passed a resolution to offer him the LP nomination should he fail to win the GOP nod.

650 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:22:51am

re: #649 canadianconservative


BTW, on Dec. 12th the Libertarian party passed a resolution to offer him the LP nomination should he fail to win the GOP nod.

Another nail in the coffin of what could have been a reasonable alternative to the two-party system?

651 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:26:25am
652 brandeisneocon  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:35:36am

re: #648 Mal' Rider

Well that's sort of changing the subject but please, specify some instances of Paul blaming "America for crimes she is simply not guilty of." I honestly can't say I've seen him do such a thing.

653 Mal' Rider  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:43:52am

re: #652 brandeisneocon

re: #648 Mal' Rider

Well that's sort of changing the subject but please, specify some instances of Paul blaming "America for crimes she is simply not guilty of." I honestly can't say I've seen him do such a thing.

My freind, it is the subject. For starters, Paul has blamed the 9/11 attacks on American foreign policy, has he not?


Ron Paul Blames 9/11 on America

654 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:47:31am

Ron Paul seems to represent the Pacifica Radio wing of the GOP.

655 DoubleU  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:39:25am

re: #636 Sandi

Right on the show! Glenn showed ron the u tube video! and the letters! At Glenn's Akron Book signing the man from the utube video in the trnch coat came up to Glenn and told him.... "see I can get this close" Glenn had to hire extra security...one from a swat team. Glenn has mentioned this many times on his show too. Ron Paul types are what the Timothy McVeighs are made of. Watch out...if Paul does not get the nomination...a Timothy McVeigh type will come out of that crazy crowd. And I blame Ron Paul for anything that happens. If he can not control his minions ...he can not control a country!

I recorded the show when Ron Paul was on. (It is also available on-line) so I will watch the full show. I only watched the last 20 minutes or less. When Glenn came to the area for a book signing I couldn't find out the info so I googled Glenn Beck and book signing. I could not believe the crap that came up, all from Ron Paul supporter websites, insane scary ramblings.

I think Paul's goons will be out in full force harassing and intimidating voters on election day. His supporters are fascists without a doubt.

656 DoubleU  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:45:32am

re: #634 Mal' Rider

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

I know a few Libertarians, and they don't like Ron Paul.
I believe Neil Bortz and Penn (Penn & Teller) have also come out and said they don't support him.

Paul gets his support from Leftists and perhaps a few Conservatives that "want to believe" that he can change America just by walking into the Casa de Blanko.

657 DoubleU  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:48:25am

re: #630 Noah's Arrrgh

I've noticed a pattern of reductionism in Ron Paul's wolrdview. All evil is the result of straying off the golden brick road of his libertarian ideology. No matter what the evil is: inflation, pollution, racism, anti-semitism, jihadism, etc., his opinion is that the evil wouldn't have emerged if we had just followed the true path.

That and if we just made all drugs legal, you can't forget about making all drugs legal.

658 gonecamping  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:58:56am

I am tired of hearing US Elected Officials that constantly blame the US for all the problems of the world. If it is so bad in the US get the heck out and go live in a hut somewhere.

On a side note, every RP sign holder I've seen looks like a candidate for an insane asylum...or perhaps an escapee!

659 czekmark  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 8:27:51am
re: #68 The Other Les

I wish that I could say that I can't believe that I voted for this idiot in 1988.

I'm not sure he is the same person that he was in 88. Paul campaigned mostly on small government and restoring the constitutional limits to the Federal government, arguments that had strong appeal especially here in Texas. Unfortunately, like most Libertarians today, he doesn't understand the full intent of the Islamic threat to western civilization. In that respect he's no different than any of the Democratic candidates and thusly would be a dangerous person to place in the White House. Huckabee seems to also be in that category.

660 czekmark  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 8:42:51am
re: 608 Q-Burn

And something has got to be done about the effed up primary system. Why is our national destiny held hostage to Iowa and New Hampshire every four years? Is that in the Constitution? At the very least, the early primary dates should be rotated around to different states.

No mention of primary elections in the Constitution which really aren't true elections but methods of selecting party candidates. Originally this was done exclusively by means determined by each political party.

Another bastardization of our electorial system is straight party line voting in the general elections, something that is foreign to the original candidate voting concept.

661 funkyfantom  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 8:47:22am

Huckabee is just as much a moron as Ron Paul for apologizing for the Bhutto assassination.

Huckabee is a total liberal asshat. Pardoning convicted rapist/murderers
is something that should disqualify him from any serious consideration.

662 EE  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 9:05:39am

Ron Paul has shown once more that he will give moral and political and propaganda support to the Al Qaeda enemy, in order to further his agenda of establishing a white flag policy for the US.

663 brandeisneocon  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 9:46:32am

re: #653 Mal' Rider

It's preposterous to suggest that Ron Paul was blaming America for 9/11 in that clip. That's no different than claiming that attributing the rise of Hitler to the Versaille Treaty is blaming America, Britain and France for World War II and the Holocaust. Obviously Germany is responsible but the just as surely the irresponsible actions of the Allies after WW1 didn't help.

The most revealing segment of that clip is how stupid Rudy Giuliani appears. He answers Ron Paul's analysis with an appeal to expertise by virtue of the fact that he 'lived through 9/11.' Yea, well, so did the rest of us Rudy. In that clip he seems utterly incapable of intellectual analysis or critical thought and appears to only be capable of repeating mantras about how 'they hate us for our freedoms.'

The truth, of course, is a bit more complicated and contains elements of each position. Undoubtedly the jihadis and Islamists hate the West and America in particular and of course they need no justification for their violence because no matter what we did, they'd find a grievance to justify their actions - not that their actions could ever be justified in the first place (just sayin').

This is where Ron Paul's views seem lacking - he seems to attribute too much capacity for rational thought and reasoning to these people. Nevertheless, the fact that there is evil in the world does not mean that we are justified in whatever we do or that we can not make mistakes which will make matters worse. In fact, I've heard Paul compare the situation to a man walking into a snake pit: who's at fault if he gets bit, the man or the snakes?

Truth be told I think we have made some mistakes that have come back to haunt us and that will in the future haunt us, most notably the overthrow of Mossadegh which directly leads to the nuclear crisis we have today. If Israel, Heaven forbid, is vaporized by an Iranian bomb, Jimmy Carter won't be the only President responsible (although the SOB who let the Ayatollah come to power without any serious challenge will certainly bear the most individual blame).

Ron Paul isn't a political messiah and the cultish veneration of some of his followers is definitely creepy but at least the man thinks before he speaks, which is something you can't say for half of the GOP candidates (Giuliani and Huckashmuck being the most obvious examples).

I just don't like the constant mockery and insults that have come to characterize this blog's coverage of Paul, which is why I've never commented before on a Ron Paul post (though I rarely comment anyway). I recognize that you could argue his insane internet followers prompted this by spamming the silly internet polls but that would be a bit like blaming America for 9/11, would it not? :-)

As I said before Paul isn't infallible and there are some serious criticisms to be made of his arguments but to dismiss them out of hand is irresponsible and to call for his expulsion from the GOP, as Charles did recently, is doubly disturbing. Paul is an intelligent and principled man who has dedicated his life to public service and, quite frankly, hasn't flip flopped on much in his career (the earmark nonsense Russert was going for really was unfair but that's a whole different argument). It's not necessary to agree with him and the truth of the matter is that he's the last person in the world who would try to force you to do so since he disavows coercion but so many people attack him as if he were a threat to their very identity and self-esteem as conservatives (perhaps he is?).

664 brandeisneocon  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 9:48:03am

I'm definitely a conservative and I'm quite fond of a number of candidates in the race (Paul being one, McCain and Thompson the others). I like Paul because he's authentic - as are Mac & Fred - and because he's thoughtful. If that makes me a Paulian, so be it.

All I'm saying is criticize Paul on the actual substance of his arguments, not his supporters and not words that are put into his mouth by less thoughtful people.

665 junodavid  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 3:01:07pm

re: #664 brandeisneocon

I've listened to what he says and who he aligns himself with, and all of them worry me. This "thoughtful" comments sound much more like deranged musings. Paul is no conservative, unless you are talking about a 1920's conservative.

666 EE  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 4:12:32pm

Instead of swallowing the ravings of Ron Paul, who erroneously thinks that the US can run away from the global jihad, if someone wants to understand something about the ideology of Islamism in Pakistan, he or she might start with the leading theoretician of Islamism in Pakistan, who was a pillar of the modern revival of the duty of jihad in the Muslim world, who founded JI, and who wrote profusely and acted effectively in Pakistan to spread his ideology: Maududi. Here is a Wikipedia article on Maududi. Note especially his ideology.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

667 EE  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 4:14:28pm

re #666

Jihad

Because Islam is all-encompassing, Maududi believed that the Islamic state should not be limited to just the "homeland of Islam". It is for all the world:

Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State. It must be evident to you from this discussion that the objective of Islamic 'Jihad' is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of State rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.[25]

668 EE  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 4:35:46pm

re #667

It must be evident to you from this discussion that the objective of Islamic 'Jihad' is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of State rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.

-- Maududi.

Since, according to Pakistan's Islamist master Maududi, the aim is not to confine this revolution to a single state or a few countries but to bring about a universal revolution, there is no way that America can hide from this revolution. There is no way that our hiding or our retreat can dissuade the Maududi Islamic revolutionaries that their goals are wrong or that they should pursue some other, more peaceful, non-revolutionary path.

What matters most is the capability of these Maududi Islamic revolutionaries -- their intentions are clear for anyone to see.

Ron Paul has only one remedy for international affairs: isolationism. He is like a quack doctor who has one snake oil "panacea" to cure everything.

But we cannot isolate ourselves from the Maududi Islamist revolutionaries when they clearly see themselves as having a mission to bring about a revolution that encompasses the entire world, bringing the world into submission to a new world order that is Islamosfascist. Our running away will not convince them to retreat. On the contrary, it will always be regarded by them as proof of weakness, and a sure sign that the right tactics are to advance. Strategically, they will not give up on their goal of world Islamic revolution, and what we have to concentrate on is diminishing their capabilities.

Ron Paul, in following his usual modus operandi of blaming everything on the US, sounds like the essentials of his talk were written by Adam Gadahn, and he gives aid and comfort to the enemy. He gives the enemy a propaganda victory, and gives it the capability of quoting Ron Paul to "prove" that the US is demoralized and blames itself for all that goes wrong in the world, and for all of the massacres carried out by radical Islam in pursuit of its agenda of global conquest.

669 EE  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 4:42:31pm

re #666


Sharia

Maududi believed that Muslim society could not be Islamic without Sharia.

That if an Islamic society consciously resolves not to accept the Shari'ah, and decides to enact its own constitution and laws or borrow them from any other source in disregard of the Shariah, such a society breaks its contract with God and forfeits its right to be called 'Islamic.'"[14]

[edit] Islamic state

Maududi also believed that Islam required the establishment of an Islamic state. The state would be a "theo-democracy,"[15] and underlying it would be three principles: tawhid (unity of God), risala (prophethood) and khilafa (caliphate).[16][17][18]

The caliphate is not an individual ruler in Mawdudi's system, instead it is "Man."

Khilafa means representative. Man, according to Islam is the representative of God on Earth, His vicerent; that is to say, by virtue of the powers delegated to him by God, and within the limits prescribed, he is required to exercise Divine authority. [19]

The "sphere of activity" covered by the Islamic state would be "co-extensive with human life ... In such a state no one can regard any field of his affairs as personal and private." [20]

The state would follow Sharia Islamic law, a complete system covering

family relationships, social and economic affairs, administration, rights and duties of citizens, judicial system, laws of war and peace and international relations. In short it embraces all the various departments of life ... The Sharia is a complete scheme of life and an all-embracing social order where nothing is superfluous and nothing lacking. [21]

Consequently, while this state has a legislature which the ruler must consult, its function "is really that of law-finding, not of law-making." [22]

Mawdudi declared that Islamic democracy is the antithesis of secular Western democracy which bases hakmiya (sovereignty) on the people.[23] In an Islamic democracy the sovereignty of God and sovereignty of the people are mutually exclusive.[24]

Sharia is a complete system covering everything. So in effect the pursuit of a world ruled by Sharia is the pursuit of an Islamofascist state that covers the world.

Ron Paul, the quack, thinks that isolationism is the solution to all things, and that the US can run away from such a program. Since the Islamofascist program is universal, and strives to cover the world, and everyone in it, there is no way that running away can change the minds of the global jihadists who want to conquer the world for an Islamofascist empire.

670 pesca  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:01:50pm

Rely on Ron to utter nonsense. Like Ralph Nader, his only appeal is his sincerity. He can't analyze anything and just says what comes into his head.

I think he's in the rear view mirror now anyway.

671 EE  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 6:24:33pm

Ron Paul's "sincerity" includes courting the 9/11 troofers at one place, and in response to a direct question calling their theory "preposterous" in another place.

Ron Paul's "sincerity" includes denouncing the pork in Congressional bills, and voting against them, but also introducing a great deal of pork for his Congressional district (and, according to him, voting against what he introduced) -- but knowing that the Democrats would pass it, pork and all.

Ron Paul's "sincerity" includes courting some very unsavory fringe types, including white supremacists, and then having an aide put out a statement that Ron Paul is not influenced by "small" ideologies.

672 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:20:10pm

re: #644 spiff1669

Yes Paul can use the money he has raised for the Presidential race to bank roll his Congressional race...and he is going to need it....the hometown folks are not happy with him. This area he is from is conservative yet they are Pro-American....Paul has really shown them he is nutz

673 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:23:07pm

re: #664 brandeisneocon

I'm definitely a conservative and I'm quite fond of a number of candidates in the race (Paul being one, McCain and Thompson the others). I like Paul because he's authentic - as are Mac & Fred - and because he's thoughtful. If that makes me a Paulian, so be it.

All I'm saying is criticize Paul on the actual substance of his arguments, not his supporters and not words that are put into his mouth by less thoughtful people.


Sorry...you are judged by the company you keep! And if he can not control the vile supporters how will he control America? Your wrong.

674 Sandi  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 7:28:17pm

re: #646 Mal' Rider

re: #642 Sandi


re: #641 Mal' Rider

re: #638 Sandi

re: #634 Mal' Rider

Thanks to the Paul revolution, the Libertarians have become the new leaders of the Blame America First crowd. They are truly to the left of the radical, fringe left and that's sayin' something.

Yep... they lost any respect I had for them. BUT the Ron Paul campaign has been highjacked by the Extremeist Liberatarians, KKK, CAIR, Code Pink, Moveon.org, Neo Nazis, and Indy Media types...mix in the Militia Mc Veigh crowd and Anarcists. They one thing I will say for Ron Paul...he sure is no GWB...Paul is a Uniter not a Divider....thanks Ron I hope you can pick up an endorsement by Louis Farrakaan...that would seal the deal for me.

Sandi,
Good points. IMO, the problem is that the radicals within the movement itself really do not seem to be that far apart from Pauls own viewpoints/public pronouncements. Maybe the problem has less to do with the people involved in the movement and more to do with the leader of it? Could it be that Paul has found a common connection with these loons for a good reason?
The man is quick to blame America for all the worlds ills, but when has he ever spoke positively about the overwhelming good she has done? He could have kept his trap shut for a moment while the woman was at least given a proper burial, but couldn't even wait that long before he turned her murder into an anti-American talking point? I can't believe this guy's an elected official, even at the local level - I truly can't.

well according to the local papers in his district...he is not getting a favorable light. His Republican opponent Chris Penden is doing very well...but Paul can take all his money from the Presidential election and use it for his Congressional run....and according to the local papers...he will need it. Chris has gotten alot of funds from outside the State to defeat Paul. This young GOP only had $300 to run against Paul...now he has millions.

Sandi,

Here's another question I have, and it hit's home with me because I happen to personally know a die-hard Paulian. What happens to all of that money when Paul fails to get the nomination? Can he use it towards his next congressional run, or does he have to give it all back? The reason I ask is because the guy I know has donated literally thousands to Paul and he only makes around $30K per year. How do I know this? Because he won't stop bragging about it.

If he doesn't get it back in '08, I'm prepared. I've recently purchased a book from Amazon titled - Pyramid Schemes for Dummies. I figure I can at least get the guy to cover my lunch if I can memorize all of the Illuminati conspiracy theory talking points.

/Note to self - leave out Jeffersons entangling attachment with the French during the revolution

well the most he can contribute is $2000 per election...if he has given more than that...Ron Paul needs to have a complaint filed against him at the FEC.

675 Render  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 9:37:34pm

Is this thread dead yet?

OT: [Link: ronpaul.meetup.com...]

At least two of David Dukes people (from VNN), were actively commenting on that RP meetup thread until they were banned.

Will "White Will" Williams (of VNN).

[Link: adamholland.blogspot.com...]

And...

Frazier Glen Miller (also of VNN and not the dead musician).

*warning extreme racist link*

[Link: lakejacksonnews.blogspot.com...]

[Link: [Link: www.splcenter.org...]...]

Lake Jackson, Texas? Why, isn't that very close to Ron Paul's Surfside, Texas hometown? It sure is...

VOICES
OF
TRANSGRESSION,
R

676 Render  Fri, Dec 28, 2007 9:39:47pm

re: #675 Render

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

WHOOPS,
R

677 the Daily Kos Om Islaam  Sat, Dec 29, 2007 12:34:19pm

re: #588 Edouard

Ron Paul insulted American foreign policy, which, unless you work in the public sector, was in now way directed at you. You have no legitimate right to insult him (note: I am not saying you lack a right to criticize him).

Our state's track record of official dealings with Islamic nations is less than sterling, wouldn't you agree? From funding the Taliban, to funding and training the PLO, to continuing in partnership with misogynistic and torturous regimes such as Saudi Arabia, it's disgusting and anethema to the supposed values of this country.

President Bush said, "...hold those who are responsible for the terrorist acts accountable and those who harbor them." Well my friend, when a President's Secretary of State equates the terrorist group HAMAS to American revolutionaries such as George Washington, Ron Paul should receive a medal for the restraint he used by ONLY criticizing U.S. policy.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

678 EE  Sat, Dec 29, 2007 1:40:22pm

re: #677 the Daily Kos Om Islaam


when a President's Secretary of State equates the terrorist group HAMAS to American revolutionaries such as George Washington,

That is not what Condi said, according to the article.
US policy is not in support of Hamas, from all that I have seen.

I am not defending what Condi said nor am I criticizing it; I just object to saying things that are not true.

As for support for Israel, Ron Paul has opposed every bill or resolution that has been supported by supporters of Israel. To suggest that this opponent of Israel is otherwise is to not tell the truth.

679 GreenSoccer  Sat, Dec 29, 2007 8:56:57pm

The other person who said it was the US's fault was former ambassador to Morocco Ginsburg on Fox which surprised me. I am not saying that these people say that the US hired the gun but the whole pushing Mushariff to bring her back.....


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