Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive.

Most Paulians have no life, so their ability to do things like this is undiminished. Net Anonymity is a curse as well as a blessing.

0i...

plans to launch DoS attacks by downloading the Fox News site

Isn't that illegal?

Paulians putting on their "thinking caps"? That has to be the first time THAT'S happened!

[Link: messages.finance.yahoo.com...]

Here there are at play, threatening to short NWS and cause financial ruin. Funny. They do like to get mobilized.

Do the hamsters get double-time on Sunday?

OK, for the agents of the New World Order who didn't get the message: We are supposed to have the whole of next week off. Take a breather from poking fun at the Paulbots and I'll see you all in 2008.

As usual with the Paulnuts, "Leap before you look!"

Common sense has never been able to penetrate the special teflon- coated tinfoil hats of the Paulians.

When in doubt, it must be a conspiracy!

re: #6 jayzee

[Link: messages.finance.yahoo.com...]

Here there are at play, threatening to short NWS and cause financial ruin. Funny. They do like to get mobilized.

Isn't that illegal?

always suspected that they got the tinfoil hat thing backwards. wouldn't the metal act as an antenna? and only increase reception of C.I.A. mind control rays.

i live in hollywood, and admit it is not representative of the rest of the country. but there are a lot of pauloids out here. he might have an impact.

Come out, come out, wherever you are!

/*taps on woodwork*

Are those "thinking caps" tin foil, and do they have propellers?

RONPAULCALYPSE NOW!

Sorry to learn that Fox News hasn't excluded Paul.

Very mature behavior.

Geez, it's so easy, doesn't the mother ship have frickin' phasers or something?

re: #13 Killian Bundy

Q-Burn was just here a little while ago but I scared it away.

re: #11 MandyManners

Isn't that illegal?

/no clicking internet links and shorting stock aren't illegal

Ron Paul was cheated!...we must get them!...these adults want the Whitehouse...that is so very scary.

re: #19 Killian Bundy

re: #11 MandyManners

Isn't that illegal?

/no clicking internet links and shorting stock aren't illegal

Plotting to take down a web site or damage a company's finances is LEGAL?

Ron Paul Blames US For Bhutto Assassination

Only slightly OT -

Another fake repoeter? Scott Horton at Harper's

re: #12 varmint

always suspected that they got the tinfoil hat thing backwards. wouldn't the metal act as an antenna? and only increase reception of C.I.A. mind control rays.

i live in hollywood, and admit it is not representative of the rest of the country. but there are a lot of pauloids out here. he might have an impact.

He might cut into the democratic vote?

Or the Kabbalah Center turnout?

re: #11 MandyManners
Is there an echo echo in here?

here here

The Paultards have never allowed reality to influence their actions, why would anyone expect them to start doing so now?

I am currently living outside of the USA. I can not believe that this asshat gets some much attention on the net/blogs. He is not PONTUS material and never Will be.

re: #23 mjazzguitar

conspiracy toon

Why would anyone think this is unusual for the paulians? They put so little effort into picking a candidate, why would they put any effort into checking facts?

re: #22 MandyManners

Plotting to take down a web site or damage a company's finances is LEGAL?

Yes, this is America.

/you can click on a website as many times as you want and short stock to your heart's content, although you'd better know what you're doing to short stock without getting burned

re: #6 jayzee

[Link: messages.finance.yahoo.com...]

Here there are at play, threatening to short NWS and cause financial ruin. Funny. They do like to get mobilized.

Since they are wrong so oft, if they are shorting sounds like time to go long or buy.

Not too many people were around to see the social internet of the early-to-mid 1990s. The news and political forums were dominated by libertarians back then, and Ron Paul was one of the chief deities worshipped; internet polls looked the same as they do now, not because they were being slammed, but rather because most respondents truly supported the most libertarian-leaning candidate. I remember those days well. I especially remember how confident everyone was that the "new media" would prevail, and Harry Browne would finally make it past the 1% vote mark and show the world how powerful we libertarians truly were, all thanks to the organizational power of the internet.

Sounded a lot like the Paulians of today. Some people never learn.

Now, that is rich!
Even in the face of knowledge that it isn't a true story they plot against Fox!
Maybe we can foil them completely in a like manner.
Let's see what wheel-spinning we can direct them into via some inventive thinking.

Well we know what happens when Al Queda gets "annoyed". What do they think will happen to them when the Almighty Fox News gets "annoyed"? HUH? Answer me that, kooks!

/

What is a DoS attack? Sorry, I guess I should know this, but sometimes when these computer-related terms come up, my mind snaps into sleep-mode.
Ron Paul doesn't seem dangerous--what gives we the followers? It's a little Bob Jonesy, isn't it?

re: #12 varmint

I posted it in the spinoff function. And yes a study was done on tinfoil hats. Up shot, it doesn't work. :)

Well, duh. I mean "what gives WITH the followers?" Check spelling, Check.

I wouldn't do anything about Iran...Ron Paul

Just that one...was enough for me.

When I take off my tinfoil hat to put on my thinking cap the brainwaves from the mothership interfere too much with my thinking. Between them and the flouride in the water and the secret ink in the new currency I can't get a thought in edgewise.

/RPer

re: #32 Killian Bundy

re: #22 MandyManners

Plotting to take down a web site or damage a company's finances is LEGAL?

Yes, this is America.

/you can click on a website as many times as you want and short stock to your heart's content, although you'd better know what you're doing to short stock without getting burned

Well, ain't that just grand.

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack? Sorry, I guess I should know this, but sometimes when these computer-related terms come up, my mind snaps into sleep-mode.
Ron Paul doesn't seem dangerous--what gives we the followers? It's a little Bob Jonesy, isn't it?

Denial of Service
Like everybody calling your telephone at once to prevent you from getting an important call or from calling out.
The idea is to overwhelm the servers with requests.

re: #25 itellu3times

"I live in hollywood, and admit it is not representative of the rest of the country. but there are a lot of pauloids out here. he might have an impact."

I don't know if there is a lot of them here, but I do see their cute little finger painted signs hanging from the overpasses. A couple of weekends ago I (accidentally) got into the middle of a T'Paul rally in Santa Ana, normal looking people having a good time. I got the feeling that this was a goof more than a real rally.

re: #37 katemaclaren

DoS == Denial of Service. Like what happens when there's a drudge-alanche and the hamsters take their smoke breaks.

bbl

re: #12 "he might have an impact." varmint

He's having an impact.
He is making it easier to know what sites, & WHO, to steer clear of.
There can be no more generalizations...everything is in the fine details now. It helps to be able to read, & not be on drugs because too much is at stake!...jus'sayin'.

"Remember, Fox is doing this because..."

Beware the mind-readers...they tend also to be people who tell you what *you* are thinking, what are *your* motivations, and... to justify their own evil actions...what you *would* do...

Is this guy for real? Do adults behave like this? I just cannot fathom any adult acting like a frickin little child and playing games with the well being of the country. Power is a funny thing - those that have it cherish and will do anything to keep it and those without will do all to get it. This includes taking the country down the crapper with them.

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack? Sorry, I guess I should know this, but sometimes when these computer-related terms come up, my mind snaps into sleep-mode.
Ron Paul doesn't seem dangerous--what gives we the followers? It's a little Bob Jonesy, isn't it?

DoS

Which came first, Paul or the morons who follow him?

re: #37 katemaclaren
While you're at it can someone give me a quick defintion of short stock?

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack? Sorry, I guess I should know this, but sometimes when these computer-related terms come up, my mind snaps into sleep-mode.
Ron Paul doesn't seem dangerous--what gives we the followers? It's a little Bob Jonesy, isn't it?

It's actually called a DDoS, which stands for Dedicated Denial of Service, and it's where someone clones thousands of zombie PC's and simultaneously pings a site with more page requests than the sites serves can address.

These people are whinier than my 11 year old when his DS is taken away...

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack? Sorry, I guess I should know this, but sometimes when these computer-related terms come up, my mind snaps into sleep-mode.
Ron Paul doesn't seem dangerous--what gives we the followers? It's a little Bob Jonesy, isn't it?

"Denial of Service" ... flooding a server with requests to send data until it's over-whelmed. Sometimes you will see these referred to as "DDOS" or distributed denial of service, meaning the requests are coming from virus infected bot driven computers all over the internet.

Eh.

I guess I care about Ron Paul and his supporters about as much as I did about Digg.

re: #45 Texas Joel

THANKS!

BTW I noticed the other day, I think it was the AOL poll, that Ron Paul came out way ahead. Some of the comments were blistering towards those jamming the poll. One poster said that if nothing else, this would PREVENT him from voting for Paul.

re: #47 BlueCanuck

Drudge-alanche
I love it!

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study

[Link: people.csail.mit.edu...]http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

The point is that the Paulians themselves are starting to fold -- you see more and more of them talking about "the influence of his message" rather than the chance of a win now. A few more weeks.

re: #38 BlueCanuck

the real test would be to walk around outside in a lightning storm wearing one.

The worst thing imaginable has happened! I read the comments on The Daily Paul and now I'm considering becoming a Paulian! Here's the comment that did it for me:

Every time I eat brownies I need to drink milk, coincidence? I think not.

Who can argue with logic like that?

Ron Paul 2008!

re: #11 MandyManners

re: #6 jayzee

[Link: messages.finance.yahoo.com...]

Here there are at play, threatening to short NWS and cause financial ruin. Funny. They do like to get mobilized.

Isn't that illegal?

They can short whatever they like. In fact it would cute to see them try. You need a margin account in which you have to keep 25% of the total value of the stock you have shorted liquid, then if the stock price rises, you get a friendly call from your broker asking you to cover or they sell you out (in this case actually buy the stiock back), take your 25% and send you a bill for the difference. Shorts make money because they bet the stock will go down for technical reasons, or pending news, or a breakdown they think is coming. It is very dangerous and stupid to short with the sole intention of being the one to make the stock decrease in value. Emotions and stocks do not generally mix very well.

I can't wait to see the Paultards reactions when he tanks. May make the 911 truthers good. Oops, I forgot, they are the 911 truthers.

re: #54 pat

Which came first, Paul or the morons who follow him?

Well, I think there is always an element of fools out there just looking for someone to give their pathetic little lives meaning.

re: #53 Bobblehead

Thanks to you, too! I have to go now (brunch with friends). Think I'll try out my new information on them.

Bye Lizards. Keep cool as always.

Video: Ron Paul’s immigration ad

Libertarians seem to prefer open borders and lord knows the college kids who have glommed onto the rEVOLution must be flummoxed by the sort of EVOL Paul has in mind for illegals. No matter. If being a Paul supporter means anything, it means the Paulnut is always right.

Charles, I am baffled at that Nolan Chart site. All the articles seem to be about Ron Paul. IS it a propaganda site? This article is steeped in irony

Republicans and Democrats, Please Protect Us from Ron Paul!
by Grizzle Griz (Centrist, December 9, 2007)

Someone stop this quixotic left-wing, right-wing, long-shot, darkhorse, baby-delivering devil.

Does anyone else find it hilariously ironic the Paulians are launching a military militant offensive attack based on false intelligence?

re: #33 Thanos

Wish I had left to go long. Maybe I can budget some leaps.

re: #44 MandyManners

re: #32 Killian Bundy

re: #22 MandyManners

Plotting to take down a web site or damage a company's finances is LEGAL?

Yes, this is America./you can click on a website as many times as you want and short stock to your heart's content, although you'd better know what you're doing to short stock without getting burned

Well, ain't that just grand.

And shouldn't be that surprising Ms. Manners.

I saw Jamie Colby on Fox a while ago get all sassy a proclaim the Chicago police are interested in charging this young woman who left home on Christmas Eve and didn't tell anyone. Uhm, it isn't illegal for adults to travel without notifying other adults. Duh. Even after this was pointed out to her, she repeated her insinuation (ie, she 'suspected' the police were 'looking' into it).

Just because you disapprove of something doesn't make it illegal!

re: #55 mjazzguitar

While you're at it can someone give me a quick defintion of short stock?

Basically, instead of buying stock and hoping it goes up in price, you borrow shares from your broker and sell them. Eventually, you have to buy the shares back to return to your broker. If the price goes down in the meantime, you can buy the shares back at a lower price than you sold them for and you make money on the price difference. If the price goes up in the meantime, you lose the difference in price.

/very risky, not for the casual investor, it's safer to but puts if you think a stock price is going to go down, but then you have to understand options trading

For all those who think that LGF has bigger fish to fry than Ron Paul:

Try going to a conservative-leaning website where people are supposed to be discussing the GOP primary, and you will likely find one of two things:

It's been Red-Stated (i.e. moderated and all Paulnuts bounced), making the discussion that much less freewheeling

or

Every other discussion is about how Ron Paul is Going To Make It All OK. Really.---while supporters of other candidates can barely get a word in edgewise.

Polls of "GOP voters" have to keep in mind the Paulbots, whose otherwise leftist leanings mess up all poll results, and make the GOP picture murky when it should be getting towards crystal clear.

What is it with fringe elements like the Paulians and the left-wing nutters? There's this weird, irrational obsession with Fox News. If it were true that Fox froze out Ron Paul (which they didn't), that would at least be a legitimate bitch. But they're so lathered up they can't stop long enough to be told the truth.

And the stupid Dembots keep accusing News Corp and Fox News of being shills for the GOP, when in fact their executive leadership donates almost exclusively to Democrat candidates!

Boycott the Products and Services controlled by International Money Cartel [IMC] and their cronies... Support your Local, Home-Grown Enterprises... see these TWO posted on youtube...

looks like another diatribe against "corporations" from a Paulian. re: #45 Texas Joel

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack? Sorry, I guess I should know this, but sometimes when these computer-related terms come up, my mind snaps into sleep-mode.
Ron Paul doesn't seem dangerous--what gives we the followers? It's a little Bob Jonesy, isn't it?

Denial of Service
Like everybody calling your telephone at once to prevent you from getting an important call or from calling out.
The idea is to overwhelm the servers with requests.

DoS sounds like a perfect strategy for the Paulians. It involves lots of repetitive, mindless activity.

re: #73 Yankee Division Son

Does anyone else find it hilariously ironic the Paulians are launching a military militant offensive attack based on false intelligence?

But Fox News has WMDs! (Well-Meaning Democrats!)

re: #75 RoP_RIP
She was having an affair...no wonder she didn't tell anyone..lol

Just gotta remember, "craaazy is as craaazy does..."

Remember, Fox is doing this because it is afraid.

Yeah- Fox made a name for itself being afraid. That's why they aired the impeachment hearings when no other network was- out of fear!

Fox (until recently, imo) has always dared to be different- that takes a certain level of fearlessness. You really have to be grasping at straws to call Fox afraid. What it is- is you pauliacs are insane.

re: #63 Thanos

The point is that the Paulians themselves are starting to fold -- you see more and more of them talking about "the influence of his message" rather than the chance of a win now. A few more weeks.

What that message is, exactly, is a Rorschach test of each paulian's leanings.
/Run for President - Say Anything

The Bircher wing of the Ron Paul rEVILution considers this site as the one place to go and get the straight scoop on National and World events. American Free Press, Bircher Central. Except the blatant anti-Semitic crap there, this could be the Ron Paul for President website..

re: #68 MacDuff

re: #54 pat

Which came first, Paul or the morons who follow him?

Well, I think there is always an element of fools out there just looking for someone to give their pathetic little lives meaning.

First Duke emerged from the goo, then Paul. There has always been evil and the people that support it.

These guys are such asshats they sit on their tinfoil!

Paulians and Troofers invade MPAC. Check out the list of "Latest Discussions" on the right hand side.

Remember if Ron Paul's is a write in candidate make sure to write in "Ru Paul" because that's the only name they'll legally recognize in your state 'cause they're part of the conspiracy to lock out any direct votes for Ron Paul... but don't worry a vote for Ru Paul will have the same effect as if you write in Ron Paul...

Ru Paul!

These are leftist fascist tactics performed by leftist fascist. Watch out on primary day, these people will be out in full force threatening and intimidating voters.

These are leftist fascist tactics performed by leftist fascist.

Over at ron paul forums- they've given this issue it's own heading and have 14 threads up on this issue.

whacko!

Hollywood director Oliver Stone to meet with Colombian rebels for the release of three hostages, the Associated Press reports

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #92 storagemanager

Hollywood director Oliver Stone to meet with Colombian rebels for the release of three hostages, the Associated Press reports

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

We can only hope that they take Stone in exchange.

re: #88 Killgore Trout

They still have that January 6 date up for the Fox debate.

I'd be pissed if my guy gave me false info and got me worked up and doing stupid things on the internet...Oh wait that can't happen because I think for myself. Dullards.

re: #73 Yankee Division Son

Does anyone else find it hilariously ironic the Paulians are launching a military militant offensive attack based on false intelligence?

That is very funny.

Iran is willing to assist Egypt in developing the technology to produce nuclear energy, Army Radio quoted Iran's Ali Larijani as saying Sunday.

According to the radio report, Larijani, the head of Iran's National Security Council, said that such assistance would be given under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #72 drunkenblogger

Charles, I am baffled at that Nolan Chart site. All the articles seem to be about Ron Paul. IS it a propaganda site? This article is steeped in irony

Republicans and Democrats, Please Protect Us from Ron Paul!
by Grizzle Griz (Centrist, December 9, 2007)

Someone stop this quixotic left-wing, right-wing, long-shot, darkhorse, baby-delivering devil.

Griz is firmly in RP's corner. Nolan chart refers to non-traditional plotting of political axes. Personally, I prefer the Pournelle axes coupled with a stasist vs. dynamist dimension.

re: #14 BabbaZee

Are those "thinking caps" tin foil, and do they have propellers?

RONPAULCALYPSE NOW!

Hey, don't go dissin' my hat, now.

Gaghdad Bob has a great post today on mind parasites.

Look, when a voice in your head tells you to load up a baby with explosives and hand it to a lady who wants to bring liberal ideals to Pakistan, you can be pretty sure it's not God. That's called a "clue." When that same voice tells you to slash off your daughter's clitoris with a rusty hood ornament, I'd say that's a hint that you're not dealing with the Creator of the Universe. When the voice tells you to force women to live in bags or to cut your daughter's throat because she doesn't want to marry that malodorous 53 year old toothless letch with all the goats in his dowry -- nope, not the real God. I know, I know, that's a lot of goats, but God has more important things on his mind than selling your daughter to the highest bidder.

So what is this sadistic and suffocating entity? It sounds like a very bad acid trip, which, in a way it is, because there's no coming down. Hell, you can't even tell them they be trippin' or they'll just trip out more, like the witches and warlocks of Hizb'Allah, Hamas, and CAIR, who say "don't wake us from our nightmare, or you'll soon be in it, my pretty!" Whether it be angry jihadis in Khartoum or jihadis angry about a cartoon, they always trippin'.

That part about "there's no coming down"? Applies equally to RPians, doesn't it?

re: #77 RememberSekhmet?

(i.e. moderated and all Paulnuts bounced),.

Heh heh heh now there is an idea with some serious promise to it...But the real question is...just how far do Paultards bounce when they are bounced?

re: #62 hayseed

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study

[Link: people.csail.mit.edu...]http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helme t/

this was for the ron paulers

re: #97 Iron Fist

You are right. Racist hate transcends political affiliation.

Really, I challenge any Paul supporter to point out where the Ron Paul worldview diverges from the John Birch Society worldview. I can't find a lick of difference except for the parts of Bircher mentality that Paul leaves out because it would mark the end of his political career. Like this hit piece from the AFP. Christians brutalized in Holy Land

For nearly a century, since the invasion of Palestine began, Christians of all denominations have suffered bombings, shootings, arsons and wanton acts of senseless destruction of their sacred properties—and all of it by a horde of Marxist/atheist invaders from Eastern Europe calling themselves “God’s chosen.” From the moment they arrived—announcing to the world “We’re baaack” with all the fanfare that their grip over the Western media afforded them—they picked up where their alleged ancestors left off in attempting to erase the name of the hated Jesus from the Holy Land.

This is the bottom layer in the stack of cannon balls that has become the Ron Paul for President campaign. The shared hatred for all things Israel. Ron Paul parrots every thing the Birchers say except for the parts he conveniently leaves out.

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack?

Denial of Service attack.

Basically they hit the site with so many requests that others are denied service to the site. The servers get too busy to handle all the requests.
Similar to what they do with the on-line polls, hit it so many times the other data is useless.

Wikipedia says:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It is interesting to note that most of the Ron Paul banners have come off the extreme nutball sites, where they were prominently displayed, left political extreme to right political extreme just a month ago.

re: #83 Sharmuta Great and accurate post. Thanks.

re: #105 Mich-again

This is the bottom layer in the stack of cannon balls that has become the Ron Paul for President campaign. The shared hatred for all things Israel. Ron Paul parrots every thing the Birchers say except for the parts he conveniently leaves out.

I thought you became a Paulian by giving yourself a bowl haircut, wearing a striped polo shirt, and having one wandering eye.

Birchers, I thought some of them dressed well.

re: #105 Mich-again

You're right on with this. Every time RP utters the phrase 'entangling alliances'
I get the message that he's speaking in code about those whose name rhymes with Fox News.

Why does that entire statement read like a stereotype? It reeks Left triangulation concepts. The use of "Old Media" which is nearly 100% monopoly Left, yet hauls Fox in as if Fox is actually an "Old Media" institution, on par with the NYT, WaPo, LATimes, ABC, NBC, CBS etc, etc. Fox is a target of the LEFT, not the Right, as in conservative. It is the LEFT and the Democrats who've been unrelenting in their scorn and irritation that Fox gives about 1/4 of its airtime to conservative commentary. This screed gins up a curious outrage that uses the complaints of the Right against the hard core Left of the media, and aims it at ... Fox. Seems like it's just the Left coming in to smack Fox around again, while maintaining a form of plausible deniability via a "conservative candidate."

The internet poll stuffing and spamming crap that goes on associated with "Ron Paul" also reek anarchist, guys in black shirts and black bandannas smashing the windows of the RNC local HQ. The explanations of "I'm a life-long conservative, but I am voting Ron Paul" evoke exactly the same voice of Liberal Left "seminar callers," or the studied cadence of the Teacher's Union, "Well, while your child was reduced to a bowl of quivering jello by Whole Language, my best friend's neice was being ordered to fill out phonics forms (voice quavers, tearing up, sniff) so I vowed to fight for her, (sniff) whatever her name is to keep rote memorization from terrorizing other children (growl)."

All the claims of credentials wither under closer scrutiny.

What is going on? Where is the deep funding for "Ron Paul" coming from? If someone spams a poll, what is the campaign contribution value of that? Why is all this appear all random, ad hoc, but all manages to neatly dodge campaign laws?

Why does everything associated with "Ron Paul" sound so tinny?

The problem is this: a conservative person should by definition be highly respectful of tradition and law and order, but the "Ron Paul" manages to attract something that is not of that quality in any way. Therefore, a poll spamming practice would be expected to be against everything a true conservative would stand for, including fair play and TRUTH.

Judge them by what they DO, not by what they SAY.

I've been an LGF reader for a few years and have a great amount of respect for Charles and this community. What is happening around the world in the name of Islam is frightening and extremely disconcerting, however, what is happening to the USA from the corrupt politicians is equally disconcerting. I really believe this country can collapse from within if we keep our current mindset and continue the status quo.

Despite Dr. Paul's stance on the Iraq war and foreign intervention, and despite his approach and/or views of the causes and remedies of political Islam (I don't consider it a valid religion) and Muslim extremism, I still believe he is the only candidate who can turn this country around with regards to our domestic problems like immigration, spending, inflation, taxes, IRS, energy, gun rights and other important issues affecting me directly.

To be quite honest, ff I had to make a choice between saving my country and saving Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other nation around the world, I'd have to choose USA first. We're in a bad way and we need a "radical" change in turning this ship around.

PS - I'm not a Paulite...read my previous posts here. I just think some of you might need to broaden your perspectives a little bit and seriously consider how we can actually change the course we're currently on with positive results but perhaps deal with a little pain as the required medicine does it's work. My brother has been a die-hard Libertarian for more than 20 years and we have tenuous discussions and debates about some of it's main principles and how they tie into terrorism, money, capitalism, socialism, etc. If you really spend some time researching and reading, it will certainly open your eyes broaden your perspective on the issues we face.

re: #105 Mich-again

Really, I challenge any Paul supporter to point out where the Ron Paul worldview diverges from the John Birch Society worldview. I can't find a lick of difference except for the parts of Bircher mentality that Paul leaves out because it would mark the end of his political career. Like this hit piece from the AFP. Christians brutalized in Holy Land

I posted this yesterday, but WSJ printed almost the same disgusting kind of article on Christmas Eve, which I attribute to the Saudi stake in NWS.

A few people try to point out that the story is false, but that doesn’t stop them from posting lists of phone numbers, plans to launch DoS attacks by downloading the Fox News site over and over (right!), freaky rants about the New World Order,

Someone should tell them not to use every damn cliche in the book, too.  Including that one.  I've never seen such hack writing.

and pleas for the “hotheads” not to commit acts of violence.

They're going to stamp their little feet and beat their little fists and let us know they're really angry with us?

}:)     [Phhhttt ... right ... ]

re: #103 hayseed

re: #62 hayseed

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study

[Link: people.csail.mit.edu...]http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helme t/

this was for the ron paulers

Oh that IS rich!

Where's Q-Burn?

There's this English dude, an American dude, and a Muslim guy onboard a plane... It start to run out of fuel, so the captain says 'throw whatever you have the most of out of the plane so we can keep going'
The American leaps up and says 'Dollars, our country is full of Dollars' and immediately throws a suitcase full of dough out of the plane. The Muslim guy stand up, bows to Mucka and says 'Curries, our country is full of Curries' and throws a sack of curry powder out of the plane. The English Guy leaps up,grabs the muslim and says 'Muslims...

The Only Man Who Can Save America has not been excluded from a Fox News debate.

Damn! It was great while it lasted...

re: #112 truthshalllive

Do you think we're too fucking stupid to research?!

Charles:

Using IE5 on this old laptop, and just wanted you to know that I have to put all the formatting in manually because the site won't do it, as well as it won't allow me to preview or check spelling.  It will allow me to post, as you can see.

}:)     [Thought you would want to know as our Tech Deity ...]

re: #119 MandyManners

re: #112 truthshalllive

Do you think we're too fucking stupid to research?!

Heh.

tenuous indeed

re: #111 wanumba

Why does everything associated with "Ron Paul" sound so tinny?
The problem is this: a conservative person should by definition be highly respectful of tradition and law and order, but the "Ron Paul" manages to attract something that is not of that quality in any way. Therefore, a poll spamming practice would be expected to be against everything a true conservative would stand for, including fair play and TRUTH.

Judge them by what they DO, not by what they SAY.

Lies and deceit, for a bunch of people that are sick of politics and government they are really into the lies and deceit that give it power.

re: #112 truthshalllive

That is great and I agree, Ron Paul is not the guy to do it.

re: #112 truthshalllive

Regarding "his approach and/or views of the causes and remedies of political Islam (I don't consider it a valid religion) and Muslim extremism, I still believe he is the only candidate who can turn this country around..."

That's like saying, "In spite of the fact that this car doesn't have a steering wheel, it has a functioning gas pedal--therefore, it's the only vehicle that can take me where I need to go."

His approach and/or views are so out of whack, I question his judgment in all matters! (I feel the same way about a particular Democratic president who couldn't keep his pants zipped during his period in office.)

Don't get me started on his [RP's] unsavory bed-fellows...

re: #112 truthshalllive

PS - I'm not a Paulite...

Of course not!

My main problem with Ron Paul is that his to-do list sounds so intoxicating to the masses, but he leave out the part about the economic collapse it would induce if he were actually able to pull off all his initiatives.

Shorting a stock is legal. Manipulating a stock is illegal. What the Paulians are proposing comes awfully close to manipulation.

re: #83 Sharmuta

Remember, Fox is doing this because it is afraid.

Yeah- Fox made a name for itself being afraid. That's why they aired the impeachment hearings when no other network was- out of fear!

Fox (until recently, imo) has always dared to be different- that takes a certain level of fearlessness. You really have to be grasping at straws to call Fox afraid. What it is- is you pauliacs are insane.

What is Pauliac disease?

Pauliac disease is a degenerative disease affecting the corpus callosum fibers connecting the two hemispheres of the human brain resulting in extreme predominance of one hemisphere over the other. In Pauliacs or those suffering from Pauliac disease, the left hemisphere of the brain performs almost all cognitive functions. Symptoms of Pauliac disease may include unpredictable emotional outbursts, a predisposition for joining groups in order to join a group, and constantly engaging in what appears to others as mindless, repetitive activity.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive.

Do you think they'll march in the World of Warcraft rally as Druids?

re: #112 truthshalllive Gee, thank you for that post.
And ya know, if you'd post your thoughts more often, they might actually resonate with some LGFer's.
It sure beats sitting mute on the sidelines.

re: #14 BabbaZee

Now, now... propellers are very much respected in some circles.

Propeller Information - eight 32-bit processors (COGs) in one chip (with shared memory)

Did Someone Say Projects? --Steve Gibson

re: #37 katemaclaren

What is a DoS attack?

See here: [Link: www.grc.com...]

re: #128 jaunte

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive.

Do you think they'll march in the World of Warcraft rally as Druids?

Eh? Are druids finally getting beat down with the nerfstick? I quit that game a while ago, after they screwed up alchemy so badly that solo play was no longer enjoyable.

re: #103 hayseed OH Lord, I'm ROTFLMAO! GREAT one Hayseed!

Ron Paul is not a history reader or he would realize that the US tried to remain aloof from the world back at the end of the 1700s. Without the Royal Navy's protection, our sea trade was damaged by piracy, and there were fears that Algerine slavers would begin raiding the coasts of the US itself. A new Navy was the solution, and we went from bribing the pirates of North Africa to defeating them.

We might wish to be disengaged from the world, but it's a dream.

re: #112 truthshalllive

He's a walking mass of contradictions, the most massive of which is:
85% of what he says he's campaigning for is more effectively done from Congress. So why's he leaving? Why didn't he take care of any of these problems while he was there?

The executive branch is designed to over see, not legistlate. It's also the branch that responds to emerging problems with foreign countries first. Ron Paul would be the worst possible person to put there at this time.

re: #18 Killgore Trout

re: #13 Killian Bundy

Q-Burn was just here a little while ago but I scared it away.

Ha! I didn't think this non-kerfluffle within a non-kerfluffle was worthy of comment. Still don't. Maybe if I was a Paulian I would feel differently. Sorry to disappoint my fans...

Why do I have the image in my head of a virgin sitting on a wooden crate
in a damp basement, tinfoil scattered about a make shift desk.
Drool dripping from a lower lip that is never fully closed on the left side.
its low mileage brain struggling against a drug induced stupor to have a single thought, two neurons fire and it says me likes Ron Paul.

re: #112 truthshalllive

paul's positions would damage this country faster than a paulites knee jerk reaction to a debate that's not even scheduled. Isolationism is morally corupt, and if you want to save this country- first you have to make sure there is a country. Do we have issues in this country- of course we do- but no single person is the only "salvation". Get a clue.

re: #131 Pickle

re: #128 jaunte

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive.

Do you think they'll march in the World of Warcraft rally as Druids?

Eh? Are druids finally getting beat down with the nerfstick? I quit that game a while ago, after they screwed up alchemy so badly that solo play was no longer enjoyable.

I just don't know anything about WoW; I did find this:

"The druids unique ability, and the one that distinguishes them from every other class in the game, is their ability to shapeshift into various forms."

Maybe Dr Paul is a druid

re: #103 hayseed

re: #62 hayseed

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study

[Link: people.csail.mit.edu...]http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helme t/

this was for the ron paulers

Lol
I have to get two of those hats: The Fez for inspiration while cooking in the kitchen and the Centurion to feed the inner warrior.

I didn't know that the new media included bed sheets on overpasses and fathers using their kids to carry sandwich boards at intersections. Ron Paul, the bed sheet candidate. Has a little double meaning there too.

re: #76 Killian Bundy

re: #55 mjazzguitar

While you're at it can someone give me a quick defintion of short stock?

Basically, instead of buying stock and hoping it goes up in price, you borrow shares from your broker and sell them. Eventually, you have to buy the shares back to return to your broker. If the price goes down in the meantime, you can buy the shares back at a lower price than you sold them for and you make money on the price difference. If the price goes up in the meantime, you lose the difference in price.

/very risky, not for the casual investor, it's safer to but puts if you think a stock price is going to go down, but then you have to understand options trading

Makes Thag's brain hurt... must... stop...thinking...gah!

Personally I find this highly entertaining. Crazy people shilling for a crazy politician, and planning to do crazy things to a behemoth news organization with completely predictable ineffective results.

And I even have time to make popcorn before the fun starts! Priceless!

Can we question their sanity yet?

re: #113 itellu3times

re: #105 Mich-again

Really, I challenge any Paul supporter to point out where the Ron Paul worldview diverges from the John Birch Society worldview. I can't find a lick of difference except for the parts of Bircher mentality that Paul leaves out because it would mark the end of his political career. Like this hit piece from the AFP. Christians brutalized in Holy Land

I posted this yesterday, but WSJ printed almost the same disgusting kind of article on Christmas Eve, which I attribute to the Saudi stake in NWS.

So I guess you missed the Israel head rabbi's proclimation against any MK or Israeli participation in Bridges for Peace's women's conference in Jerusalem promoting understanding between Christians and Jews.

Somehow, I find THAT disgusting.

re: #144 CLLRusso

So I guess you missed the Israel head rabbi's proclimation against any MK or Israeli participation in Bridges for Peace's women's conference in Jerusalem promoting understanding between Christians and Jews.

Somehow, I find THAT disgusting.

Here's the rabbi's explanation:

Rabbi Deri explained the original decision to Arutz-7: "We note of late the terrible phenomenon of Messianic Jews wreaking havoc and destruction in Israel by trying to bring Jesus as Messiah into Israel. With pleasantness and kindness, they bring Torah, fear of G-d and even Torah commandments - but all with one underlying theme: that Jesus is Messiah... They want to help and support us, but they have the same goals as the Messianics. They make tremendous efforts and support us all over, and are even more right-wing than we are in some ways, and they help us with Bush, etc. - this is all true, but in the end, they have one goal, and that is Jesus. We are not on the level of early great Rabbis who were able to take the good and spit out the bad..."

MandyManners,

A true "Denial of Service" attack is against the law. A couple of years ago a kid did a DOS attack which targeted a number of on-line stores (Amazon, etc.) -- in no time the FBI was investigating. The kid was eventually arrested (IIRC, was prosecuted and spent some time behind bars).

A true "DOS attack" (I'm not talking about getting a group of people to click on a link) typically involves rapid flooding of a network with "requests" -- to also bog down a server, typically the packets will be "mal-formed" (bits of info might be missing or not in the proper order or added bits) -- the mal-formed packets will "confuse" the server, tying it up. (Often the criminal hackers use virusized home computers -- they act as a "bot network," under the direction of the attackers). Again, to maliciously deny legitimate users service (access) to a website is a crime...

re: #112 truthshalllive

If you really spend some time researching and reading, it will certainly open your eyes broaden your perspective on the issues we face.

I recognize you addressing LGF in general, but I lived in Islamist Republics, dominate Muslim countries and countries with large Muslim populations for nearly 20 years. Expat Americans, civilian and military have been on the front lines of terrorism for over 3 decades, where've YOU been all this time? Reading? I think my eyes are a lot wider on this than yours, and I know for a fact a lot of LGFers can add their accumulated years of direct experience as well. A LOT!
So stuff your arrogant and ignorant (look up the word) attitude of "spend some time reading and researching" as if we are all illiterates.
In my experience, drawing on close contact with people of other countries, on their home turfs, on two different continents, a witness to a terrorist attack myself, having the chilling experience of being face-to-face with a mob of five hundred Libyan-paid rioters, working through a Baathist-orchastrated ethnic cleasing, humanitarian aid for victims of said calamity, knowing personally people who were killed by terrorists, others who've survived terrorists attacks and ALL our co-workers sharing the same as we've had in exeriences - and for those people who can relate FAR worse, than I can claim. Then if I maintain "Ron Paul" is a dangerous ignoramous on the No. 1 issue of our times, then I have two decades of REASONS for coming to that conclusion, not based on a bag of cheetos and my remote control.

As I said, the whole "Ron Paul" movement REEKS Liberal Elitist Left. How else would a bunch of so-called conservatives push the attitude that conservatives are ignorant backwater rubes who need to read up and open their eyes?

His latest ad clinches it. Ron Paul's job is to peel off the Anti-Immigrant anger vote off the Republicans, thus delivering the White House to the Democrats. The Clintons do not need a majority to win. Perot peeled off just enough Republican rage votes to give the presidency to Clinton with just 43%. Without Perot, Bush would have won, for it was only necessary for only SOME of the grumblers to vote Bush, for they ALL loathed Clinton and without a third option, they would have hewn to Party Loyalty and voted Bush. Get that - 57% of the American voters voted AGAINST Clinton, but he got the job anyway. Afterwards, Perot's company, EDS was slated to be awarded the massive national health ID card contract under HillaryCare. (So much for competitive bidding processes).

Paulians seem like a kinder, gentler form of the Koslings.

RP is a total moron

re: #148 RadicalRon

Paulians seem like a kinder, gentler form of the Koslings.

Let's see how long kinder and gentler last!

From On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study

Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample group of four individuals. Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies in either directions (either emanating from an outside source, or emanating from the cranium of the subject), certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities. We speculate that the government may in fact have started the helmet craze for this reason.

See! It's all the gub'mint's doings!
Heh

re: #19 Killian Bundy

What would happen if the stock soared, assuming the paulasshats actually had money for shorting? A stock can go to zero, thus limiting how much you lose. Shorts' liability on a rise is unlimited. I saw it was down a precipitous 1%. Oh, so impressive. Read some nasty responses. One dude told a shorter to go back to masturbating with his one gold Kruggerand. Bwahhh.

re: #144 CLLRusso

re: #113 itellu3times

re: #105 Mich-again

Really, I challenge any Paul supporter to point out where the Ron Paul worldview diverges from the John Birch Society worldview. I can't find a lick of difference except for the parts of Bircher mentality that Paul leaves out because it would mark the end of his political career. Like this hit piece from the AFP. Christians brutalized in Holy Land

I posted this yesterday, but WSJ printed almost the same disgusting kind of article on Christmas Eve, which I attribute to the Saudi stake in NWS.

So I guess you missed the Israel head rabbi's proclimation against any MK or Israeli participation in Bridges for Peace's women's conference in Jerusalem promoting understanding between Christians and Jews.

Somehow, I find THAT disgusting.

So everyone know, its the Muslims driving Christians out of Bethlehem and Gaza. Thats digusting. Having divergent religious opinions, not so much. Notice how Derri didn't say Christians are haram in Jerusalem.

re: #112 truthshalllive

I've been an LGF reader for a few years and have a great amount of respect for Charles and this community. What is happening around the world in the name of Islam is frightening and extremely disconcerting, however, what is happening to the USA from the corrupt politicians is equally disconcerting. I really believe this country can collapse from within if we keep our current mindset and continue the status quo.

Despite Dr. Paul's stance on the Iraq war and foreign intervention, and despite his approach and/or views of the causes and remedies of political Islam (I don't consider it a valid religion) and Muslim extremism, I still believe he is the only candidate who can turn this country around with regards to our domestic problems like immigration, spending, inflation, taxes, IRS, energy, gun rights and other important issues affecting me directly.

To be quite honest, ff I had to make a choice between saving my country and saving Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other nation around the world, I'd have to choose USA first. We're in a bad way and we need a "radical" change in turning this ship around.

PS - I'm not a Paulite...read my previous posts (blah, blah, blah).

Bzzzt! You lose. Massive contradiction is no way to argue, buddy.

As Rush Limbaugh would say: Seminar caller!

For what it's worth, corruption in Washington, ugly as it is, is hardly anything new (the "spoils system" has been thoroughly entrenched since the Andrew-fucking-Jackson Administration!), but attempting to claim it is a threat in any way "equal" to world-wide Islamic terrorism is just plain stupid. What amazes me is that Paulians are in complete agreement with Osama bin Laden: we must withdraw from the rest of the world and cower behind our (heavily militarized) borders. "Isolationism will be our salvation! America First!"

Give me a fucking break.

re: #152 madmax517

What would happen if the stock soared, assuming the paulasshats actually had money for shorting?

They'd be in a world of hurt, especially if an institutional investor saw what they were doing and decided to buy many thousands of shares and stick it to them.

/the potential loss on stock shorting is unlimited, that's why it's not a good idea for amateurs

re: #112 truthshalllive

I've been an LGF reader for a few years and have a great amount of respect for Charles and this community. What is happening around the world in the name of Islam is frightening and extremely disconcerting, however, what is happening to the USA from the corrupt politicians is equally disconcerting. I really believe this country can collapse from within if we keep our current mindset and continue the status quo.

Despite Dr. Paul's stance on the Iraq war and foreign intervention, and despite his approach and/or views of the causes and remedies of political Islam (I don't consider it a valid religion) and Muslim extremism, I still believe he is the only candidate who can turn this country around with regards to our domestic problems like immigration, spending, inflation, taxes, IRS, energy, gun rights and other important issues affecting me directly.

To be quite honest, ff I had to make a choice between saving my country and saving Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other nation around the world, I'd have to choose USA first. We're in a bad way and we need a "radical" change in turning this ship around.

PS - I'm not a Paulite...read my previous posts here. I just think some of you might need to broaden your perspectives a little bit and seriously consider how we can actually change the course we're currently on with positive results but perhaps deal with a little pain as the required medicine does it's work. My brother has been a die-hard Libertarian for more than 20 years and we have tenuous discussions and debates about some of it's main principles and how they tie into terrorism, money, capitalism, socialism, etc. If you really spend some time researching and reading, it will certainly open your eyes broaden your perspective on the issues we face.

This is madness. Paul hasn't accomplished anything in his congressional career, he's a party of one. He's a crackpot extremist and he's going to solve all these domestic problems while the rest of the world burns right outside our borders? Where's his broad constituency? What legitimacy or political capital does he have? NONE! 9/11 happened because it was thought that the rest of the world didn't need to be tended to and we let it go and we are reaping that whirlwind right now.

re: #155 Killian Bundy

Then it would be a good idea (to support economic education).

re: #137 Sharmuta

re: #112 truthshalllive

paul's positions would damage this country faster than a paulites knee jerk reaction to a debate that's not even scheduled. Isolationism is morally corupt, and if you want to save this country- first you have to make sure there is a country. Do we have issues in this country- of course we do- but no single person is the only "salvation". Get a clue.

Actually, I don't think any one individual could change anything, however, I certainly appreciate the attempt by those who want to openly debate principles and policies and bring meaningful discussion to the root causes of the major problems facing this country. Maybe RP is not the guy this time around, but it's refreshing to see non-mainstream views getting some attention.

There are very few prominent politicians who are not bought and paid for by corporations or other special interest organizations. While I can appreciate coherent arguments for or against a candidate's particular ideologies, policies, and historical voting patterns, I find it pretty sad that folks like to brand one of the only candidates who is not part of the existing machine as a "kook". I've actually read and seen a lot of information about RP (both supporting and attacking) and while many of his positions seem "extreme", they're actually quite sensible if you take a step back from our existing SOP playbook and focus on the larger issues. I think it's actually healthy to question the system and not get caught up the specific details of a section of a particular procedure. Sometimes the whole system needs to be thrown out and re-designed if it's not producing the results you want.

Are any of you seeing the results you want with our current or recent Congress/Presidents? I'd like to see more open, frank, honest fire-side chats from our leaders and less propaganda.

Question the system.

re: #158 TruthShallLive

Are any of you seeing the results you want with our current or recent Congress/Presidents?

Yes, actually. First- I saw a tax cut. Second- I saw my country go on offense, and have yet to see another major attack on our soil.

Question the system.

How very sound biteish. And a total load of crap. The Constitution is the best system man has conceived yet, so I'm not going to question it.

As far as paul's "special interest" groups go- they are vile.

For someone who doesn't support ron paul- you have a funny way of showing it.

Not sure if anyone is aware, but there is a challenger to Ron Paul in the GOP primary for his congressional seat: [Link: www.chrispeden.org...]

If you want Ron Paul to be completely out of a job in a year, Mr. Peden's the guy to support.

Question the System because the Truth is Out There

// pinky to mouth- Goldmember style

re: #161 TruthShallLive

And ron paul isn't going to do that vile thing you suggest, *sshole.

Let’s try to think ...

The Paulian mantra!

re: #163 gman

You be Mulder, I'll be Scully. ;)

Gads, even when given the truth of this as being a false story, the paulians then go off on how the luncheon on the 6th is excluding side show ron. They are really out there, as his being scheduled for another event, by his own side show campaign, is now a conspiracy to exclude him for the luncheon. Everything is a conspiracy to them. No one is allowed to do anything without checking with the side show first by their manner of thinking. Scary that these psychos are allowed to vote.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Another fine group of RP-bots.

EXPOSURE,
R

re: #161 TruthShallLive

Wrong answer.

We're already winning.

Without your help.

CHICKEN
LITTLE,
R

re: #166 Sharmuta

re: #163 gman

You be Mulder, I'll be Scully. ;)

Trust no one Scully.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive.

That's what used to tell us about Liberals.

In fact, I think the Paulians have been infiltrated by Liberal Socialists Dems, and their calls to attack FNC just proves it.

No one can out nutterbutter a Liberal, not even the Paulians, or top them when it comes to drinking the kool-aid, not even whats left of the Heavens Gate crowd.

I think there's a few Liberals lurking in Huckelbee's campaign war closet too.

re: #7 mjazzguitar

Do the hamsters get double-time on Sunday?

They just work for tips and head scratches behind the ears like everyone else.

The conspiracy is: Ron Paul's candidacy has been hijacked by a conspiracy.

re: #171 Dotcoman

Best not drink the Kool- Aid!

Oh Yeah!

re: #170 gman

I sure as hell don't trust ron paul, Mulder.

re: #173 littleO

But,he's making money

Re: the now deleted #161
Hinting at genocide will get you the stick.
You have been warned.
That is all.

re: #171 Dotcoman

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive.

That's what used to tell us about Liberals.

In fact, I think the Paulians have been infiltrated by Liberal Socialists Dems, and their calls to attack FNC just proves it.

No one can out nutterbutter a Liberal, not even the Paulians, or top them when it comes to drinking the kool-aid, not even whats left of the Heavens Gate crowd.

I think there's a few Liberals lurking in Hucklebee's campaign war closet too.

One need only peruse any random day's worth of komments at DKos-HuffPo-DU to see the truth in that. The Paulians are amateurs by comparison.

re: #173 littleO

The conspiracy is: Ron Paul's candidacy has been hijacked by a conspiracy.

You may very well be right, his campaign doesn't exactly seem like it is being run from the top down, it appears it is being pushed by forces outside the campaign's control.

re: #90 DoubleU

These are leftist fascist tactics performed by leftist fascist. Watch out on primary day, these people will be out in full force threatening and intimidating voters.

These are leftist fascist tactics performed by leftist fascist.

Exactly.
And thank you for pointing that out.
There are other agendas at work here, that are driving all this nuttiness. I think that these agents are just out to stir up the Libertarians, among others, and use them to fight wars with the left's enemies like FNC and LGF, etc, and then hope to piss them off and peel them off to vote for DNC ticket in the general elections.

re: #179 Obsidiandog

re: #173 littleO

The conspiracy is: Ron Paul's candidacy has been hijacked by a conspiracy.

You may very well be right, his campaign doesn't exactly seem like it is being run from the top down, it appears it is being pushed by forces outside the campaign's control.

Or perhaps the Paulians are victims of their own tendency to look for conspiracies everywhere?

re: #179 Obsidiandog

re: #173 littleO

The conspiracy is: Ron Paul's candidacy has been hijacked by a conspiracy.

You may very well be right, his campaign doesn't exactly seem like it is being run from the top down, it appears it is being pushed by forces outside the campaign's control.

The problem is that Congressman Paul doesn't to mind much going along for the ride.

re: #182 Spiny Norman

re: #179 Obsidiandog

re: #173 littleO

The conspiracy is: Ron Paul's candidacy has been hijacked by a conspiracy.

You may very well be right, his campaign doesn't exactly seem like it is being run from the top down, it appears it is being pushed by forces outside the campaign's control.

The problem is that Congressman Paul doesn't to mind much going along for the ride.

He sure seems to be basking in his newfound notoriety. Maybe it's a reflex after being totally ignored his entire congressional career.

re: #126 abu_garcia

I disagree about the illegality of influencing the stock price. It is done all the time by hedge funds to actually destroy small companies' share value. There are plenty of rules that the SEC does not enforce. One example is that you're not supposed to be able to short without borrowing the stock you are shorting. However, you'll find that plenty of naked shorting goes on and even though there are time limits set for how long you can continue the naked shorting, I really don't see the cretins at SEC doing much about it and other stuff such as insider trading. You'll recall that Michael Milken wreaked havocs manipulating companies and stole perhaps $1 billion. He had to pay HALF of it back. Why not strip him of everything he stole and all of his assets?

re: #174 gman

re: #171 Dotcoman

Best not drink the Kool- Aid!

Oh Yeah!

And be wary of people stopping to offer you candy, or free government subsidies.

I swore off kool-aid and church basements back in the '60's when I figured out those church ladies wouldn't put sugar in it and made all the cookies taste like peanut butter

re: #181 gman

"Mulder, are you suggesting that we somehow create our own quirky focal points of paranoia, as a result of the lack of things that are worth fearing in our day-to-day lives? That we're not whole as beings without something to worry about, something to keep our eye on?"
"That's my point exactly, Scully. What if, in a society characterized by a Goldilocks economy, we can't find anything to worry about? What if we somehow go looking for things to fear, things that will destroy this economy, things that will reach every corner of government, every
enterprise, every man, woman, and child?"

re: #182 Spiny Norman

re: #179 Obsidiandog

re: #173 littleO

The conspiracy is: Ron Paul's candidacy has been hijacked by a conspiracy.

You may very well be right, his campaign doesn't exactly seem like it is being run from the top down, it appears it is being pushed by forces outside the campaign's control.

The problem is that Congressman Paul doesn't to mind much going along for the ride.

Those are some pretty good analogies there, fellas.

re: #186 jaunte

I think you just described the role of the Liberal MSM?

"The truly paranoid are clever enough to not *act* paranoid."
- Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation

re: #182 Spiny Norman

The problem is that Congressman Paul doesn't to mind much going along for the ride.

I am not sure if he likes the attention, or he is too stupid to know where the attention is coming from.

or both.

re: #186 jaunte

re: #181 gman

"Mulder, are you suggesting that we somehow create our own quirky focal points of paranoia, as a result of the lack of things that are worth fearing in our day-to-day lives? That we're not whole as beings without something to worry about, something to keep our eye on?"
"That's my point exactly, Scully. What if, in a society characterized by a Goldilocks economy, we can't find anything to worry about? What if we somehow go looking for things to fear, things that will destroy this economy, things that will reach every corner of government, every
enterprise, every man, woman, and child?"

You took the words right out of my mouth. Scully, what is happening to me?

re: #191 gman

f you ever wanted to know what a person with acute paranoia looks like,

just

keep

watching.

Don't offend the Paulians. They're sensitive batshit crazy.

Fixed it for ya.

Wow...I've been a long time community member with what I think are pretty reasonably well thought out postings and contributions to various discussions and postings. I'm surprised you'd delete my most recent post which included two things:

1. I agree with lower taxes...and that we can do better.

2. A strictly military solution to fighting Islam is not going to work.

I've rephrased the second point in case I used a blacklisted word.

Just...wow. This place has changed.

re: #194 truthshalllive

Wow...I've been a long time community member with what I think are pretty reasonably well thought out postings and contributions to various discussions and postings. I'm surprised you'd delete my most recent post which included two things:

1. I agree with lower taxes...and that we can do better.

2. A strictly military solution to fighting Islam is not going to work.

I've rephrased the second point in case I used a blacklisted word.

Just...wow. This place has changed.

There are black listed words?

re: #194 truthshalllive

I've rephrased the second point in case I used a blacklisted word.

Genocidal rhetoric has long been frowned upon here- where have you been?

"Sound money" policy would completely collapse our economy. There's not enough mined precious metals on Earth to back the U.S. money supply. No country on the planet still has currency backed by precious metals.

/and finally, no one except kooks want to go back to transacting in coins!

re: #189 jaunte

Uh huh,

Sounds like someone's had some secret government training to avoid detection then? :-)

I like the concept of libertarianism, especially conservative libertarianism. Unfortunately, Ron Paul libertarianism is of the isolationist, conspiracy behind every door brand of libertarianism.

Watching this Ron Paul phenomenon makes me wonder:

Given a random sample of 100 people, will there always be a certain percentage of people within the sample that is more prone to believe in conspiracies?
If so, is this sociologically healthy?

or

Are people prone to believing in conspiracies a product of their environment?
If so, how do we start making some f**king changes to our environment to prevent moonbat logic?

re: #191 gman

Scully, what is happening to me?

I think it has something to do with Kucinich's UFO, Mulder.

Fox will likely go bankrupt and the evil Rupert Murdock will suffer. iWow- they may be right. Saw post on NWS yahoo stock board. The paulians claim that 500 sponsors dropped Fox in eight hours and that they're registering complaints so that FCC takes away Fox license based on Fox censorship. All that power, methinks DOCTOR Paul should take it to the people and run as Independent. And here I've been ridiculing the fervent paulists and likely raising some blood pressures. What I can't figure out is how all these true blue Americans discovered the truths and wonderfulness of Ronnie. I think they should pick Cindy Sheehan as veep candidate or his Defense Sec. if Kucinich is the running mate.

re: #196 Sharmuta

As a daily LGF reader, I'm well aware of those types of posts. However, mentioning the offensive idea of genocide does not mean I'm advocating it. I was making the point that you can't fight a global widespread ideology militarily. Especially if you don't openly identify the enemy and declare war on that enemy in no uncertain terms. Implying that I support something like that is pretty crazy, but I guess I can see how things can get twisted around on the web with competing sites taking quotes out of context or suggesting just because someone mentions a horrific scenario means they advocate it.

Try not to take my posts out of context and I'll try even harder to define my points without offending people...not my intent, but I think most reasonable folks can see that.

re: #202 madmax517

Big government bad, but they have no problem calling the FCC, the SEC or anything else. Bunch of hypocritical idiots. Then they watch Ronnie take home the pork too.

re: #203 TruthShallLive

Nice try, but I saw what you posted. Obviously, I'm not the only one who thought you were indeed advocating that as a solution. But hey- you don't have to take my word for it- you can continue to advocate that particular solution if you so desire and see what it gets you. Regardless- ron paul isn't going to to enact your solution either.

The Paulistinians had a rally in Shreveport, La on Dec 29th. As we drove by on way to bookstore mom said "look at all the moonbats" Then they got on local news spouting all their nonsense. Don'tcha love it that we live in a free country where anyone can prove they're an idiot.

Well. Here is a two sided coin if there ever was one.

Do you lend legitimacy to RPs views by giving him air time, but as a candidate it is really inappropriate to deny him the seat on the debate. Or as the best case, put him on the debate panel and let him give his views the widest possible dissemination and allow the public to see just what kind of buffoon he really is and by extension what kind of clowns his followers are.

In a perfect political world, the GOP would publicly rid themselves of any association with Ron Paul and his archaic ideology. Expel him from the party and let him go to the party he in fact claims; the Libertarian Party. Strangely enough, he doesn't quite fit their philosophy either as he diverges from their platform frequently.

re: #201 Sharmuta

re: #191 gman

Scully, what is happening to me?

I think it has something to do with Kucinich's UFO, Mulder.

Scully, if we reverse the configuration of our tin foil hat by making the conical portion face towards our cranium we can diffuse the gamma rays emitted from the UFO ensuring an exponentially smaller cross- section.

The chief danger of the Paulian movement is the damage it will do to "new media" as a credible alternative to the media-industrial complex.

The Paul candidacy is solidly based in the internet and talk radio.

Increasingly, it is falsely perceived as dominating those media and as particularly characteristic of them. This is a perception that suits the "old" (institutional) media perfectly. In this view, the internet in particular is the domain of fringe-dwelling kooks while the reliable, professionally run, centralized media are the choice of responsible adults.

We have had a solid run of success against the institutional media over the past few years, Rathergate, fauxtograpy, etc. In some ways, the Paul "revolution" is an inevitable backlash allowing the old media to
re-assert their dominance.

damnit, it's not working, the cone portion of the hat is actuallyfunneling the gamma rays.

re: #207 Outrider

There's only one side. The GOP should disavow RuPaul now like they did with Duke. I have been a republican since I could vote (whihc is longer than Paul has been one), and I am disgusted with the GOP over this. I am also disgusted with the candidates that haven't called him out. Mine included.

re: #211 jayzee

re: #207 Outrider

There's only one side. The GOP should disavow RuPaul now like they did with Duke. I have been a republican since I could vote (whihc is longer than Paul has been one), and I am disgusted with the GOP over this. I am also disgusted with the candidates that haven't called him out. Mine included.

I agree and so stated. The reference to the two sides was to affording him air time in a GOP debate. UNTIL the GOP disavows themselves of his bigoted and isolationist viewpoints they are in fact trapped into giving him legitimacy as a Republican. However, if he had been banned from the debates, it would have made a martyr of him. Far better to allow him to respond and speak thus showing the electorate just what kind of jackass he is.

re: #205 Sharmuta

re: #203 TruthShallLive

Nice try, but I saw what you posted. Obviously, I'm not the only one who thought you were indeed advocating that as a solution. But hey- you don't have to take my word for it- you can continue to advocate that particular solution if you so desire and see what it gets you. Regardless- ron paul isn't going to to enact your solution either.

Ok...now I know you're attempting to either bait me or discredit me by intentionally twisting what I wrote out of context. I just explained the intent of what I wrote, and you are still twisting the mere mention of how genocide is not the solution as "advocating genocide". You seriously need to work on reading comprehension. Might work for you, but slander isn't my cup of tea.

Latest Rasmussen:

McCain 17%
Romney 16%
Huckabee 16%
Giuliani 15%
Thompson 12%
Paul 7%

RP will not win the Republican nomination. He will contest a few primaries, then take his $20mm and run on the Libertarian ticket. As long as the Repubs don't nominate Huckabee, RP will pull more Democrat antiwar votes than Repub economic conservative votes, leading to a Republican win.

What A Fool Believes

/Doobie Brothers

re: #212 Outrider

I hear you, but I feel evil needs to be called out, not ignored for political expediency. Kind of like what Charles did with those VB facists.

re: #213 TruthShallLive

I saw what you wrote, and I'm not the only one. I'm not going to repeat it, because I'm not stupid. I'm also not the one who deletes comments around here, so maybe you should take it up with someone else if you're so confused.

re: #217 Sharmuta

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re: #216 jayzee

re: #212 Outrider

I hear you, but I feel evil needs to be called out, not ignored for political expediency. Kind of like what Charles did with those VB facists.

I agree. And it is a serious ommission on the part of the GOP that its' leadership has failed to do this. Silence denotes acceptance.

I am a black-hearted reactionary so most of my friends are of the right, but I have been startled and dismayed by the number of people who have recently told me they support Ron Paul. I live in Southern California where everything political is goofy but even so, I'm surprised that well-educated, well-informed people can say things like "Ron Paul may be crazy, but he's my kind of crazy."
They are driven by anger about the borders and disdain for the current Republican leadership. They don't seem to realize that Ron's platform is 100 years out of date and he has zero congressional support so even if he was elected by some freak circumstances he couldn't enact any of his proposals and would soon be driven from office.

Nana- I'll email you what was deleted- I'm sure you'll agree with Render's and my dings. Render's not the type to ding down lightly, either.

As a regular reader of LGF, JihadWatch, TheReligionofPeace.com and others, I consider myself pretty well informed regarding Islam. Just because there are other issues that hold a lot of weight within my worldview, doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what the LGF community stands for. My point is that, for me - Islamic terrorism - while still close to the top of my list of concerns, is not the only thing weighing on my mind (unlike a few years ago when it was at the top of my list to focus on and learn about).

If we continue down the current path, I fear this country will not be in much of a position to effectively counter jihad over the long term. I'm beginning to think that economic collapse is closer on the radar than another 9/11. I sort of like the way Robert Spencer approaches the problem...expose them and their ideology and encourage reform. We won't be able to afford to police the world much longer. We may be financially forced into non-interventionism whether we like it or not.

The excerpts sound like KosKidz. Creepy, when the intertubes circle 'round to meet its left and right extremists together.

re: #202 madmax517

The paulians claim that 500 sponsors dropped Fox in eight hours

and and 189% of the military supports him...
and and he is just like the founding fathers...
and and has 450 billion Americans on his lists...
and and all the founding fathers have donated to his campaign...
and and...

LOL !

re: #224 DoubleU

I don't bother to wade into their lunatic website, but see that they are overwhelming the NWS bb on Yahoo with all sorts of multiple treads whipping up conspiracy theories and saying Fox News is "racist" and censoring the Paulwad.

The few posts I read seem like they emanate from the minds of zombies or robots, ignoring the questions or just obfuscating and deceiving. I wonder how many of Paulwad's loyal subjects would commit suicide if he said it was right thing to do? I haven't come across one of the fools who doesn't seem like a clueless loser nimrod.

The Paulians that are TRUE conservatives say Regan and Paul are alike...not so... Reagan would never bash other Republicans. Paul is poison to America... he lokes Chavez soo much... mmm wonder how much of his money is coming from out side the US... we know alot comes from Ann Arbor Mich... home of the largest MUSLIM community in the US...

What whacktards.

re: #222 TruthShallLive

TSL - “As a regular reader of LGF, JihadWatch, TheReligionofPeace.com and others, I consider myself pretty well informed regarding Islam.”

R - Your entire premise is flawed by the mistaken theory that we are losing. If LGF, ROP, and Jihadwatch are your only sources, (as good as all three are), than you are, indeed, somewhat under-informed on the matters at hand. Add Bill Roggio, Michael Yon, Michael Totten, Strategypage, Counterterrorblog, Blackfive, and a host of other mil-bloggers to your reading list.

TSL - “Just because there are other issues that hold a lot of weight within my worldview, doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what the LGF community stands for.”

R – Think you can expand on that point without getting yourself banned?

TSL - “My point is that, for me - Islamic terrorism - while still close to the top of my list of concerns, is not the only thing weighing on my mind (unlike a few years ago when it was at the top of my list to focus on and learn about).”

R – So you did not receive instant gratification and now all is lost?

TSL - “If we continue down the current path, I fear this country will not be in much of a position to effectively counter jihad over the long term.”

R – So the rapidly impending utter defeat of Al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Taliban/Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan after causing massive casualties to both is not the correct path to effectively counter-jihad? You do have a better plan, pray tell?

TSL - “I'm beginning to think that economic collapse is closer on the radar than another 9/11.”

R – Based on what? Something you read on LGF, ROP, or Jihadwatch? I doubt that...

TSL - “I sort of like the way Robert Spencer approaches the problem...expose them and their ideology and encourage reform.”

R – As one part of an overall strategy, of course. But exposure and encouragement to reform is not going to work on the hard cases. They’re already exposed and quite obviously not predisposed to any kind of reformation by themselves. What do you mean by "sort of?"

TSL - “We won't be able to afford to police the world much longer. We may be financially forced into non-interventionism whether we like it or not.”

R – Ridiculous. The US has the financial power, industrial capacity, and manpower to fight on at the current levels of mobilization and worldwide commitment for another hundred years, without breaking much of a sweat. We have not yet begun to fight.

R – Fortunately, we won’t need to mobilize to that degree. Al-Q has already publicly written off their efforts in Iraq as a lost cause. The Taliban and Al-Q in Afghanistan, cut off from Pakistan by winter in the passes, are splintering from each other and being decimated by the Coalition and Afghan troops that are allowed to fight offensively, in every single province that the Taliban/Al-Q attempted to contest this past summer. The Taliban and Al-Q in Pakistan are splitting apart. Their best (worst) efforts have only succeeded in forcing Musharef to commit his regular army to the fray. Those regulars have already retaken the Swat Valley from Taliban control.

R - As events have shown worldwide, the Taliban and Al-Q cadres are fierce enough when facing unarmed civilians or weakly armed police and militias, but get slaughtered in mass numbers when they face regulars in open combat.

R - Islam, for all its age and all of its record of bloody conquest is not Nazi Germany or Bushido Japan. Bluntly, we’re not going to have to kill as high a percentage of them to make them quit. Just the hard cases that are already being decimated even as you read this. Radical Islam has nothing that was as hard to defeat as the Waffen SS or the Imperial Navy with which to combat the finest, best trained, best equipped, and best led military the US has ever fielded.

BLOOD
IN THE
WATER,
R

A Message to all you Paulians. PUT DOWN THE BONG AND GET OUT OF DAD'S BASEMENT! Get a freakin life, would you please?

re: #222 TruthShallLive

As a regular reader of LGF, JihadWatch, TheReligionofPeace.com and others, I consider myself pretty well informed regarding Islam. Just because there are other issues that hold a lot of weight within my worldview, doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what the LGF community stands for. My point is that, for me - Islamic terrorism - while still close to the top of my list of concerns, is not the only thing weighing on my mind (unlike a few years ago when it was at the top of my list to focus on and learn about).

If we continue down the current path, I fear this country will not be in much of a position to effectively counter jihad over the long term. I'm beginning to think that economic collapse is closer on the radar than another 9/11. I sort of like the way Robert Spencer approaches the problem...expose them and their ideology and encourage reform. We won't be able to afford to police the world much longer. We may be financially forced into non-interventionism whether we like it or not.

All favorite Liberal Left talking points, strung together, sorta vaguely specific, yet not.
Including the economic collapse bogeyman.
US troops have been parked in the Balkans, but the Left never screeches about bringing them home. NOooo. Clinton put them there, must be cosmically okay somehow. But the Fight for Civilization Against the Barbarians and Ooooh bring them home!
The Iraqis have done very well under US occupation, birth rates up, infant child mortality down, maternal health better, more schools open, more clinics and hospitals open, more kids in school than ever before ... restaurants open doing good business, infrastructure development way up, why even new theme parks for people to spend newly acquired disposable income ... how about that! A nice place for Moms and Dads of Iraq to take their wee little kids to for fun! But, the Democrat Party just doesn't like that picture. No. They want to stop it.
Our troops are VOLUNTEERS - not a SOUL is serving who doesn't want to be there, but whinge and whine and booo-hooo, gotta suddenly save our lil' boys and girls and bring them home for Christmas - a sugary sweet glob of pure melodramatic nonsense. Unfortunately, with the enemy we face - all of us, all the civilized peoples who are found in every country of the entire world, it's not safe enough to call it nonsense.
If our troops are pulled out willy-nilly, out of Iraq and Afghanistan, people are gonna DIE, a lot of them and in awful ways. Thank GOD our troops have a huge compassion for innocent people that the Liberal Left is woefully and horribly lacking.

re: #229 Render
Yeh!

Interesting perspective on Ron Paul came via my home-from-college kid who explained that the doctor is believed to be the anarchist candidate by students on campi across America.
'Splains a lot.

re: #233 tradewind

Interesting perspective on Ron Paul came via my home-from-college kid who explained that the doctor is believed to be the anarchist candidate by students on campi across America.
'Splains a lot.

I've been telling people that real conservatives don't dress in black trenchcoats and hold up signs that say rEVOLVution, which is what the "Ron Paulers" are doing around here.
They sure do LOOK like anarchists, and they spam and DOS around the internet like anarchists, and the posters are much too edgy graphic for boring ol' conservatives ... so what's really going on here?

re: #234 wanumba

So this is why Paul has such enthusiastic graffiti artists whose signage is sprayed all over the telephone posts of America...
I reminded the kid that the terms ' candidate' and 'anarchist' are mutually exclusive.

I can just see paulieans repeatedly hitting "F5" for hours on end.

[Link: www.wjla.com...]

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

[Link: www.adl.org...]

"Since then, far-right conservatives have repeatedly tried to reintroduce the Liberty Amendment in Congress -- most recently by Congressman Ron Paul of Texas in 1998 -- but without any success. Given the costs of the Cold War and the simultaneous expansion of government services in the 1950s and 1960s, it is not surprising that Stone and the Liberty Amendment Committee had little chance of success."

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RANDOM
DUMP,
R

re: #63 Thanos

The point is that the Paulians themselves are starting to fold -- you see more and more of them talking about "the influence of his message" rather than the chance of a win now. A few more weeks.

These guys are living on delusion.

Just wait until Paul comes in fifth place (or worse) each in Iowa, South Carolina, and New Hampshire.

Then they'll have a nice dose of reality. re: #126 abu_garcia

Shorting a stock is legal. Manipulating a stock is illegal. What the Paulians are proposing comes awfully close to manipulation.

More like economic suicide. Add up all the dollars the Paulians have and compare it to the daily volume in whatever stock they think they are going to short, and the market will wipe the floor with them.

But frankly, I doubt that any of them have the balls to try this stunt anyway.

Seems like you guys are bent on stereotyping people. I'm about as anti-left as you can get. I abhor socialism, big government, tax and spend, political correctness, educational elitism and group-think, unions, climate change proponents, gun control (I own a Mossy 500 for home defense), the UN, and just about every other leftist position you can throw at me, with the exception of energy (think real conservatism). I am pro-military (my brother was a Captain in the US Marine Corp), and I fully support the troops, no matter where they are sent.

As I mentioned in my first post on this thread, I said "despite RPs position on the war" - this means I do not support his position on immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, however, I do agree with his position that, constitutionally, Congress should declare war to ensure the country is fully committed to getting the job done.

On issues such as as spending, endless money printing, and fractional reserve banking, I consider myself both strongly conservative and libertarian. Inflation is a hidden tax and is hurting a lot of ordinary people. I believe all fiat currency, if backed by nothing, will eventually become worthless. Current day Zimbabwe is a good example.

The one area not mentioned here which I feel strongly about is the notion of endless growth. Frankly, I don't think it's possible to continue to increase population and energy usage forever, while living on a finite planet. Our entire system is based on increasing growth and this is what will ultimately cause financial collapse. It may take a while, but I'm certain something will snap sooner or later. Read up on Peak Oil theory if you're not already aware of the implications of this impending issue. One look at what China is doing to it's environment should tell make it pretty clear where excessive capitalism could be considered myopic.

So, unfortunately, a few of you would rush to color me as a leftist based on one post supporting a few of RPs principles is both incorrect and a bit unfair. I've only voted Repulbican in the past, but I'm a bit disgusted in the lack of true conservatism displayed by the party over the past decade or so. Don't let yourselves be blinded by one or two issues. Maybe they're not important to you, but different strokes for different folks, they say.

For the record, and Charles could verify based on my past postings...I've always been staunchly anti-islam for as long as I've been a LGF member. I feel strongly that efforst should be made to label Islam as a cult, prove it with facts, and make attempts to ban it unless it reforms. Yes, it's a pipe dream, but if we weren't so damn reliant on ME oil, we'd be in a better position to fight the ideology without always having to worry about the repercussions of offending radical theocratic nation states like SA, UAE, Kuwait, Iran, etc.

Just because someone mentions RP in a post, doesn't make them some nutty extremist...I have more in common with other members of this community than you give me credit for. Take the "hate blinders" off for a minute...the view's not bad. =)

re: #239 truthshalllive

Take the "hate blinders" off for a minute...the view's not bad.

Who said anyone's hatin' here? Still talking/projecting in the language of the Left.

So what happens to your conservative world when "Ron Paul" as a concept takes votes off the GOP candidate and hands the election to "Bill and Hillary" as Yahoo! News headlines called the Dynamic Democrat Duo, Co-President Candidate yesterday. Noticed they pulled that headline a few hours later. Elections these days are all so incredibly close, a recount can take a win from a GOP candidate easily.

Just like Ron Paul, Bill and Hillary want the troops home immediately. Bill and Hillary also think corporations like EXXON have too much profits. Funny how no one mentions taking the obscene profits of the Media, getting to be paid in perpetuity for one-time work. Even EXXON has to constantly drill and pump new product to stay in business. Bill and Hillary also think that our US health care system needs Hillary at the top of it, dictating to everyone what they can and can't do for treatment, which doctors they can see, how many of which type of doctors the unversities should train each year... etc etc.

re: #239 truthshalllive

I think you are a fucking liar.

In any event, I simply can't wait to see your post when Ron Paul, Alien Superman, is NOT nominated by the Repubs as the Great White Dope, and, Santa Claus willing, I hope the unAmerican worthless scumbag loses his Congresscritter seat as well.

re: #241 Apache30

I don't really care what you think. The truth is, you're wrong. Your blind hate is obvious by the tone of your post. I also didn't say I was voting for RP. Have a happy new year!