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The Emotion Factor

Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 7:41:50 pm PST

Hillary Clinton has won the New Hampshire primary, un-trounced by Barack Obama despite conventional wisdom.

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1 secsailor  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:42:59pm

Bummer...

2 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:43:02pm

Aren't there about 48 more primaries/caucuses to go?

3 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:43:10pm

Emotion had nothing to do with it. That's just NH for you.

4 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:43:26pm

Crying works.

5 dog opus  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:09pm

I was just looking around at Google News—I hadn't found anything on it. Was it on TV?

6 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:15pm

re: #4 Mich-again

Crying works.

Then I suggest you try that the next time a cop pulls you over. :P

7 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:23pm

Well, in a way, it's a relief. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton and all her works, at least she has actual ideas. Obama's almost as empty a suit as John Edwards.

But won't the Wall Street Journal be disappointed?

8 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:30pm

The news brings me...so close...to tears...

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:37pm

Is Ma Sands still around?
Can we shout "CHANGE" ?

10 medaura18586  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:38pm

the crocodile tears paid off

11 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:44:55pm

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!

12 Defogger  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:04pm

Yeah, well, it ain't over 'til it's over. Barak still has her running scared.

Still, I hope the nod goes to Hillary. She will be much easier to beat in the general election, methinks.

13 BengalsFan  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:13pm

Sniffle... Sniffle...

I knew they would see it my way...

14 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:21pm

come on Charles

where is the April Fools !

15 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:23pm

Correction.. Crying works for women. Its the oldest trick in the book. Goes all the way back to the Lucy Show.

16 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:39pm

It's a shame that one of them has to win.

17 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:44pm

re: #4 Mich-again

Crying works.


I think you're right. Even the Koskidz, who normally hate Hillary, had a post up about her bravery and passion. Maybe America is ready for a crying president afterall.

18 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:47pm

I'd rather have Hillary than Obama as the main candidate. Lots of people hate her. She has the highest unfavorable ratings of any candite, and unfavorable translates to unelectability. Delegates in a primary don't (necessarily) translate to votes in the real election.

19 secsailor  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:49pm

re: #5 dog opus

Fox hasn't called it yet but they're reporting that AP has called it for Clinton.

20 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:57pm

re: #11 Thor-Zone

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!

Donna Shalala?

21 shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:45:58pm

Looks like Maggie williams will have to wait a while longer before taking documents out of dead Clinton staffer offices

22 lootenplunder  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:09pm

That's really too bad. I do not want to have to listen to Hilary's nails-on-chalkboard screech for the next 10 months.
And no matter how naive he is about foreign policy, its hard not to like Barak Obama.

23 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:17pm

THE MACHINE WORKS!

re: #1 secsailor

Bummer...

Sure you want invade-Pakistan-Obama?

24 dog opus  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:21pm

re: #15 Mich-again

Correction.. Crying works for women. Its the oldest trick in the book. Goes all the way back to the Lucy Show.

Mich-again, you got some splainin' to do!

25 cwnorma  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:32pm

It'll be neck and neck until the big state primaries anyway.

For now its all just primary porn.

26 kramer840  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:38pm

The flaming c*nt is back in the game.

27 dog opus  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:43pm

re: #19 secsailor

Ah, okay. Thanks!

28 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:43pm

Don't let the tears fool you...

Hillary = Dragon Lady

29 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:46:43pm

re: #15 Mich-again

It doesn't work on me. Maybe because I cry very easily?

30 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:00pm

re: #18 NoSpam

I'm with you and Defogger.

31 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:16pm

well, cheese and rice the NYT is gonna get one helluva headache trying to decide who is now the Golden Child... their pain makes me happy :)

32 BuddyG  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:22pm

Barack's turn to cry now ?

33 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:24pm

this brings back memories of 2000
and 2004 when "exit polls" by Zogby and CBS and Reuters, et al.
predicated a Bush loss

those same forces seem to want B. Hussein Obama to win
but ultimately will rally behind Hitlery
when/if she gets the nomination

but all they're doing is damaging her/themselves

34 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:42pm

According the Encyclopedia of MobTroof™, Nude Hampster (1,235,786) has a population smaller that of the metropolitan area of Las Vegas (1,777,539), so what should one really care about this primary?

35 McBain  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:51pm

Great- now we get an onslaught of "Comeback Kiddette" references in the MSM. And me all out of Prevacid...

How long until Michigan?

36 faraway  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:47:51pm

Those bigoted NH women voted for Hillary. Hope is dead.

37 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #20 American Soldier

re: #11 Thor-Zone


It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!

Donna Shalala?


I think Donna is the short lady

38 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:48:10pm

re: #15 Mich-again

Correction.. Crying works for women. Its the oldest trick in the book. Goes all the way back to the Lucy Show.

It can. I had a lady friend get let go by the same cop twice! All because she cried when caught speeding.
Now if I'd tried that they would have dragged me out of the car and beat me for not being a man about it.

39 shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:48:12pm

Coronation
to
frontrunner
to
slim lead
to
dogfight
to
way behind
to
crushing defeat
to
should Hillary quit the race
to
comeback
to
coronation

a month in the life of the Pundits

40 dammad  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:48:53pm

As much as I dislike Hillary...the thought of Obama as President actually scares me. Hillary I know and dislike. Obama is a TOTAL unknown from a very sketchy background. I live in Hillary's hometown; which means I live in Senator Obama's state. He is a puppet of Dick Durbin...one of the creepiest Senator's in our country. I know for a fact Hillary grew up pretty normal - Obama could be the Manchurian Candidate (or Islamic Candidate?) Just my paranoia showing!

41 secsailor  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:48:57pm

re: #23 MagnaniomousCoward

THE MACHINE WORKS!

re: #1 secsailor


Bummer...

Sure you want invade-Pakistan-Obama?

No. I just hate to see Hillary win...

Fox just called it for Hillary, BTW...

42 Ma Sands  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:49:10pm

re: #9 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Funny.

43 zdomain  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:49:18pm

re: #4 Mich-again

Crying works.

I had a girl try that in my office. I didn't change her grade. Of course, I had busted her for plagiarism.

It only works on the weak willed.

44 shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:49:20pm

Will Obama mention dead Kids on liver transplant lists , and old men with cleft palates?

45 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:00pm

re: #33 Adrenalyn

this brings back memories of 2000
and 2004 when "exit polls" by Zogby and CBS and Reuters, et al.
predicated a Bush loss

Not to mention Evan Coyne Maloney interviewing demonstrators who half-jokingly (or one-thirds-jokingly) agree that we should just skip the counting and decide the election based on the exit polling.

46 The Other Les  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:00pm

There can be a number possible reasons to consider the Iowa caucus results to be a fluke.

1. Hillary didn't offer a big enough bribe (farm subsidies) to the Iowans.

(Seriously, when I did two weeks of telephone fund raising for the GOP every time I got a farmer on the line it was always "gimme gimme gimme" with them.)

2. Iowa is just across the river from Illinois with a number of very convenient bridge to facilitate the transmission of Illinois Democrat cooties.

3. Dude, it's Iowa. (As a nearly lifelong Minnesota resident this pretty much explains it.

47 Roentgen  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:01pm

I knew those tear drops were just what her staff had hoped or planned for.

48 medaura18586  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:02pm

re: #7 Dianna

I completely agree. Obama's void is scary! I have heard his speeches. I don't remember EVER hearing anything but cliches and dirt-cheap rhetoric. I feel embarrassed for his supporters. "Change,.. change the world, cast aside cynicism, we have marched here for an idea, hope we can believe in"... it's embarrassing. Other than that slop about bombing Pakistan, I don't believe I have EVER heard anything concrete coming out of his mouth.

The reason he is doing so well is because empty rhetoric can be all things to all people. The message is in the ears of the listeners. Anyone can fill the blanks between the cliches with their individual delusions. The atrophied mind of the average Democrat doesn't even operate on concepts.. just feel good abstract fleeting bullshit. That's why his ridiculous "change" slogan never get old... They don't even know what they want, they have no clue... all they want is SOMETHING... yearning for something... CHANGE!

It's embarrassing...

49 surrounded by moonbats  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:17pm

I wonder if we're seeing any"american idol"/"dancing with the stars" voting going on here. People not necessarily vote for their favorite - but rather voting for the person who is 'lagging' but you'd like to see stick around for another week.

I wonder if crying will work with the terrorists?

50 wee fury  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:29pm

Another MSM ploy.
Yesterday -- Hillary would lose big time. Her campaign is suffering. Not a chance to win NH.
Today -- All those who support her go out to vote in droves.
A ploy.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:50:58pm

re: #11 Thor-Zone

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!

OH YEAH !

52 unclassifiable  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:51:19pm

This makes about as much sense as putting all the candidates in one house and letting the audience vote to boot one out each week...

/not original but maybe more effective

53 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:51:25pm

re: #39 shug

a month in the life of the Pundits

Heh!

54 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:51:39pm

She cried, she won. What kind of example is this for young women? Way to be the feminist you claimed to be, hill. I can't stand your politics, but as a woman I'm more appalled at your tactics yesterday.

55 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:51:59pm

re: #31 shoey

well, cheese and rice the NYT is gonna get one helluva headache trying to decide who is now the Golden Child... their pain makes me happy :)

I think, even though they obviously despise one another, that one will end up as the president and one as the vice president in the general. This will hopefully translate into the single most hated ticket in history, especially if Hillary is pres and not vice pres. If Obama's in the lead, all bets are off.

56 dog opus  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:51:59pm

It makes you wonder, assuming she gets the nomination (I personally think she will), if she'll invite Obama to be her running mate.

Sleep well! heh

57 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:52:04pm

What now, tears of joy?

58 opinionated  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:52:06pm

Old Clinton campaign theme- Change

New Clinton campaign theme- It's my Party and I'll cry if I want to.

59 The Other Les  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:52:06pm

Oh, I forgot number 4!

4. It's not who votes that counts, it who counts the votes!

60 Ma Sands  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:52:18pm

Mr. Obama is dangerous for a far different reason than Mrs. Clinton is.

61 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:13pm

re: #48 medaura18586

re: #7 Dianna

I completely agree. Obama's void is scary! I have heard his speeches. I don't remember EVER hearing anything but cliches and dirt-cheap rhetoric. I feel embarrassed for his supporters. "Change,.. change the world, cast aside cynicism, we have marched here for an idea, hope we can believe in"... it's embarrassing. Other than that slop about bombing Pakistan, I don't believe I have EVER heard anything concrete coming out of his mouth.

The reason he is doing so well is because empty rhetoric can be all things to all people. The message is in the ears of the listeners. Anyone can fill the blanks between the cliches with their individual delusions. The atrophied mind of the average Democrat doesn't even operate on concepts.. just feel good abstract fleeting bullshit. That's why his ridiculous "change" slogan never get old... They don't even know what they want, they have no clue... all they want is SOMETHING... yearning for something... CHANGE!

It's embarrassing...


His rambling speeches sound a lot like Hitler's early drivel. Lots of vague empty promises that mask something far more sinister.

62 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:13pm

re: #40 dammad

As much as I dislike Hillary...the thought of Obama as President actually scares me. Hillary I know and dislike. Obama is a TOTAL unknown from a very sketchy background. I live in Hillary's hometown; which means I live in Senator Obama's state. He is a puppet of Dick Durbin...one of the creepiest Senator's in our country. I know for a fact Hillary grew up pretty normal - Obama could be the Manchurian Candidate (or Islamic Candidate?) Just my paranoia showing!

Hillary became a college commie and never looked back. Your instincts about B. Hussein are probably on target. How is Park Ridge these days? (worked at LGH 30 years ago)

63 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:17pm

I want to know what the *&^# just happened.

There is nothing I put past these people, and these returns demand a closer look.

A much closer look.

64 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:18pm

re: #44 shug

Will Obama mention dead Kids on liver transplant lists , and old men with cleft palates?

Er, why would he do that?

65 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:21pm

barf.

66 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:22pm

re: #42 Ma Sands

Oh! You're HERE!
(-:
(-:
(-:
(-:
(I was hoping that wouldn't be wasted!)

67 shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:25pm

Thank God Michigan screwed their primary.

We don't have to see the Democrats in person or on TV !

68 Bayonet  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:51pm

Hillary "wins" by, what, 3 % ?
Of New Hampshire demo's and indies ?

With Willy, the machine and the press on her side ? Against a Kenya-American lawyer ?

Not very impressed here.

69 kayatribe  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:53:55pm

if only this would yield some humility from the punditocracy.

i'm delighted with the results primarily for throwing a monkey wrench in the pompous prognostication from punditland. besides, after the endless buildup, i'd prefer long and dynamic races to the nominations.

70 shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:54:04pm

re: #64 Dianna

re: #44 shug


Will Obama mention dead Kids on liver transplant lists , and old men with cleft palates?

Er, why would he do that?


Edwards just did. That was the first 5 minutes of his speech

71 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Maybe America is ready for a crying president afterall.

And her "biting his lip" husband.

72 solomonpanting  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:54:22pm

re: #58 opinionated

It's my Party and I'll cry if I want to.


"You would cry, too
If it makes Obama number two"

73 Ma Sands  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:54:54pm

re: #66 pre-Boomer Marine brat

:) Actually, I oughta've said, silly.

74 Q-Burn  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:54:57pm

Obama sounds like he's giving a victory speech.

75 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:54:58pm

re: #4 Mich-again

Crying works.

To New Hampshire democrat females it does. It really does.

76 McBain  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:02pm

re: #26 kramer840

One of Dennis Miller's best quips from his old HBO show was his caption for a photo of HRC standing behind a "CUNY" podium (City University of New York): "Hey, they spelled it wrong!"

..but your reaction still seems a bit excessive- it's only a primary.

77 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:09pm

re: #18 NoSpam

I'd rather have Hillary than Obama as the main candidate. Lots of people hate her. She has the highest unfavorable ratings of any candite, and unfavorable translates to unelectability. Delegates in a primary don't (necessarily) translate to votes in the real election.

Me too, big time. The soft, vulnerability is just a facade to mask her inner bitch...and it's a mean nasty bitch at that.

I'm watching CHANGE Obama now, and he scares me to death...a smiling, personable black socialist. And we could be running McCain? If so, McCain's TOAST.

78 dog opus  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:13pm

OT: haha Check out this photo I found linked from Yahoo! "You Witness News," via the AP Hillary story: Wookies for Ron Paul

Worst fears realized: Paul has tapped into the formidable Star Wars geek voting bloc.

79 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:23pm

re: #4 Mich-again

Crying works.

Maybe she can cry to Bin Laden and tell him not to hate us.
At least Hildemort will look better in a burka.

80 Egfrow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:25pm

Man, all the MSM outlets seem to be just avoiding mentioning the name Fred Thompson almost completely.

81 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:36pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

She cried, she won. What kind of example is this for young women? Way to be the feminist you claimed to be, hill. I can't stand your politics, but as a woman I'm more appalled at your tactics yesterday.

I wonder how many D primary voters had heard about or actually seen the crying incident. Did it get a lot of play on network TV in NH, and how do the demographics work out? Likely viewers of nightly news seem to me to also be likely primary voters, but is this correct?

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:46pm

re: #73 Ma Sands

Whatever (-:
I'll leave it alone now.
I'm getting punchy and will probably shut down soon.

83 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:47pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

How many people actually heard that? And she didn't actually cry, she just got choked up; it sounded very self-pitying to me, but I'm infamously harsh.

84 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:55:55pm

re: #18 NoSpam

I'd rather have Hillary than Obama as the main candidate. Lots of people hate her. She has the highest unfavorable ratings of any candite, and unfavorable translates to unelectability. Delegates in a primary don't (necessarily) translate to votes in the real election.

Sure they do! Ifshe gets 2200 delegates, she is all but guaranteed 2200 votes in the general election, which is about 2198 more then she should get. (Exception is made for Chelsea and Worthless Willie.)

85 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:56:07pm

re: #60 Ma Sands

I agree. Hillary is a predicable political animal. Obabma just might believe his own starry eyed rhetoric.

86 The Wizard, fkap  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:56:12pm

Doesn't Obama's speech seem to be just empty platitudes? All hat and no cattle...

87 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:56:24pm

Obama: Save the planet! Bring the troops home! Free doctors and stuff like that! Vote for me!

88 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:56:30pm

OT:

Mystery solved! I finally figured out what Mahmood Ahmadinejad used to do before he became a genocidal madman. Turns out he used to be quite an likable fellow (pic).

89 kramer840  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:25pm

re: #76 McBain

i would've called her that whether she won *or* lost. and that's one of the nicer things you can call HRC.

90 beachkatie  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:27pm

re: #39 shug

Coronation
to
frontrunner
to
slim lead
to
dogfight
to
way behind
to
crushing defeat
to
should Hillary quit the race
to
comeback
to
coronation

a month in the life of the Pundits

The media is sicking isn't it?

91 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:28pm

The campaign will be a long meandering journey and we're just getting started, but I wonder... Who's Crying Now.

92 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:41pm
93 danshelb  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:42pm

God I absolutely despise this whole primary/caucus bullsh*t!

There were what, 300-400k votes in NH total, that is less than 0.4% of the number of votes in general election. Why do we have to put up with non-freakin stop talk about this stupid process. Don't these people have jobs, oh that's right, half of them are Senators so they don't need to uphold their elected duty.

Wake me in November.

94 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:53pm

re: #70 shug

Oh.

Oh, dear. That's just pathetic.

Wait, did he start channeling any of the dead kids?

95 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:57:56pm

re: #63 LadyK

I want to know what the *&^# just happened.

There is nothing I put past these people, and these returns demand a closer look.

A much closer look.

___
a) announcements all day that they're running out of Democrat ballots
b) Hillary wins

/do the math

96 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:58:05pm

Obama: Hope! Vote for me!

97 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:58:22pm

re: #80 Egfrow

Man, all the MSM outlets seem to be just avoiding mentioning the name Fred Thompson almost completely.

Local Fox affiliate had ~30 seconds of him down South.

98 medaura18586  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:58:24pm

re: #61 NoSpam

Not sure if it's sinister, or just dumb! The man seems to have absolutely no substance. All I would hope for if he God forbid, got the presidency, was for him to have good advisers and to listen to them, because he seems completely incapable of anything operational in the "executive" department. But overall, I have to consider the worst: that he is sinister.

I am a skeptical empiricist: the unknown scares me much more than evil I can predict, take into account, and react to. If it came down to Obama vs Hillary, I would sadly prefer Hillary. At least with her I know what to expect. He is a surprise box. Especially in these crucial times, we cannot afford surprises.

99 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:58:29pm

re: #80 Egfrow

That's because Fred tanked tonight with 1%. Rudy didn't even campaign there and pulled in 9%.

100 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:58:49pm

From: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Here are Clinton's groups: women, particularly married women; voters over 40; voters making less than $50,000; voters without a college degree; union voters; Democrats; Catholics (an important constituency for the Democrats); people very worried about the economy; voters who thought the economy was most important; voters who valued experience; and voters who evaluated candidates on whether they "care about people like me."


So Hillary picked up all those little old female garment workers in NH...

What is absent from the talking heads is how white NH is. After Obama won in Iowa the talk was all about Iowa being 96% white. Well...?

101 Egfrow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:58:53pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Oh well, damn shame.

102 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:59:06pm

FoxNews is calling McCain the Comeback Kid.

Comeback where?

Does a Nude Hampster citizen really give a rat's arse about illegal alien amnesty? Does McCain really think he has a chance in any state with a population larger than Las Vegas that's within 500 miles of the Mexican border?

103 shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:59:07pm

re: #94 Dianna

re: #70 shug

Oh.

Oh, dear. That's just pathetic.

Wait, did he start channeling any of the dead kids?


No. they couldn't afford his retainer

104 lootenplunder  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:59:13pm

re: #50 wee fury

Another MSM ploy.
Yesterday -- Hillary would lose big time. Her campaign is suffering. Not a chance to win NH.
Today -- All those who support her go out to vote in droves.
A ploy.

So far as I know, prevailing psychological data suggests the opposite effect in this situation.

105 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:59:22pm

Obama: Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can! and free stuff too! Vote for me!

106 badsysop  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:59:23pm

Is it that people actually dislike Hillary worse than Obama or that an Obama victory would make it easier to get a republican in the white house?

I trust Obama as far as I could throw him.

107 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 7:59:51pm

re: #76 McBain

re: #26 kramer840

One of Dennis Miller's best quips from his old HBO show was his caption for a photo of HRC standing behind a "CUNY" podium (City University of New York): "Hey, they spelled it wrong!"


Reminds me of one of varmint's (who is teh Awesome).
[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

108 itellu3times  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:10pm

Another Miniature State Proves Its Cluelessness
film at eleven

109 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:13pm

re: #61 NoSpam

re: #48 medaura18586

His rambling speeches sound a lot like Hitler's early drivel. Lots of vague empty promises that mask something far more sinister.


Uhm, what? Hitler had vague promises, but mostly he had conspiracy theories and victimology - Obama does not have that.
I think that comparison is completely invalid.

re: #78 dog opus

Worst fears realized: Paul has tapped into the formidable Star Wars geek voting bloc.

We already know the furries support Ron Paul.

Yiff in h*ll, furries!

110 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:30pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Yes, but his rhetoric is all platitudes, and his candidate statements are no better! What's to believe? "Wouldn't it be nice if everyone were nice"?

111 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:33pm

OMG

In his concession speech, Barack is going MLK/How The West Was Won on us.

Delightful!

112 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:37pm

re: #80 Egfrow

What do you want them to say, that Fred has failed miserably?

113 itellu3times  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:50pm

MSM Wrong Again
headline you won't see

114 dammad  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:00:50pm

re: #62 American Soldier

Park Ridge is good...not as Republican as it once was...many of my friends are liberals. Of course they all have big bucks and bitch when their property taxes go up. But everything is Bush's fault. I got "outed" at a dinner party once (for being a Republican)...thought I was gonna get tarred and feathered!

115 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:01:08pm

FoxNews reports that Joe Biden got 0% of the vote.

I guess plagiarists really don't write their own ticket.

116 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:01:41pm

# 60 Ma Sands

Thanks very much. I appreciate the kindness.

117 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:01:42pm

re: #84 JeremyR

re: #18 NoSpam


I'd rather have Hillary than Obama as the main candidate. Lots of people hate her. She has the highest unfavorable ratings of any candite, and unfavorable translates to unelectability. Delegates in a primary don't (necessarily) translate to votes in the real election.

Sure they do! Ifshe gets 2200 delegates, she is all but guaranteed 2200 votes in the general election, which is about 2198 more then she should get. (Exception is made for Chelsea and Worthless Willie.)

But the fact that so many conservatives and moderates hate her will drie them to the polls in droves to make sure it's anybody but hildemort. She may have the primary vote, but primary delegates do not translate into a win in the general.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:01:43pm

re: #106 badsysop

Personally, I think the latter. Obama would be more vulnerable than HilliBilly in the general election.

119 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:01:53pm

re: #81 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #83 Dianna

I couldn't tell you how many people saw this yesterday. It doesn't change that it was an emotional manipulation, and a poor example for young women in politics.

120 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:01pm

Better Hillary than Obama. Charles Krauthammer

...I could never vote for her, but I (and others of my ideological ilk) could live with her — precisely because she is so liberated from principle. Her liberalism, like her husband’s — flexible, disciplined, calculated, triangulated — always leaves open the possibility that she would do the right thing for the blessedly wrong (i.e. self-interested, ambition-serving, politically expedient) reason.

I could never vote for her because the Clintons’ liberal internationalism on display in the 1990s — the pursuit of paper treaties and the reliance on international institutions — is naive in theory and feckless in practice. And her domestic policy sees state intervention and expansion as the answer to every human ill from mortgage default to the common cold. Nonetheless, if 2008 is going to be a Democratic year, as it very well could, Hillary would serve the country better than any of her Democratic rivals.

On Iraq, for example, she talks like someone who knows she may soon be commander in chief and will need room to maneuver in order to achieve whatever success might be possible. Clinton has emphatically refused to give assurances that she would get us out of Iraq during her first term. Unlike, for example, Bill Richardson, who advocates a rout so radical that we’d leave equipment behind, she has committed herself to little more than a drawdown of forces as conditions allow.

On Iran, Clinton has been pilloried from the left for supporting a completely anodyne resolution designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization. This would trigger serious economic sanctions that would greatly complicate its ability to operate.

Her leading rivals opposed the resolution on the bogus grounds that it is a blank check for Bush to go to war with Iran. It is nothing of the sort. An earlier version of the Iran resolution that would have allowed “the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments” to counter Iranian activity inside Iraq might indeed have been interpreted as such an authorization. But that provision was dropped in the resolution that Clinton, and 75 other senators, voted for...

121 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:03pm

re: #115 blackpajamas

FoxNews reports that Joe Biden got 0% of the vote.

I guess plagiarists really don't write their own ticket.

I guess Big Hair plug doesn't have the pull it used to

122 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:04pm

In the meantime, I cannot listen to Obama's Sharpton/Jackson/Rock Star horrible impersonation of a caricature of MLK. Lord help us.

123 Lee Coller  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:10pm

As much as my heart wants to see her lose, my brain wants to see here win. Of those who could actually win the Democrat Nomination, she's the easiest to beat (I can see the commercials now, lets get the furniture back to the white house, vote for Hillary, Bill will be in charge of the interns). She also happens to be the least scary of the possible nominees. That says more about the other possibilities than about her.

Actually Kucinich would be the easiest to beat, but he doesn't have a prayer.

124 Northpaw  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:10pm

So Barak didn't win, and we can all hope they gnaw at each other's intestines for the next six months or so.

125 itellu3times  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:14pm

Huckleberry Who?
evangelical has hard time winning in state already frozen over
rapture at 11

126 witness  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:47pm

I don't believe this was in spite of conventional wisdom.

I believe the networks just want ratings (especially with the writers strike) and falsely pumped his chances.

127 OldNuc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:48pm

So, now we get to watch a public fight between the Clinton political machine and the Chicago political machine. Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets.

128 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:51pm

White liberals hate black people.

129 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:02:58pm

re: #110 Dianna

When he spoke at the last dem convention I was actually really impressed with him. All the Dems were pouting and angry and he was the only one with a positive message. I think he's just repeating the gimmick without adding content.

130 Bill Jefferson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:03:03pm

Is Obama's "yes we can" meant to echo the pro-illegal immigration protesters' "si se puede?"

131 combatwombat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:03:11pm

This is gonna be an interesting next few days while the MSM gets over their Obamagasm and has to explain why nearly everything they wrote since Iowa about Hillary imploding hasn't panned out.

132 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:03:34pm

re: #98 medaura18586

re: #61 NoSpam

Not sure if it's sinister, or just dumb! The man seems to have absolutely no substance. All I would hope for if he God forbid, got the presidency, was for him to have good advisers and to listen to them, because he seems completely incapable of anything operational in the "executive" department. But overall, I have to consider the worst: that he is sinister.

I am a skeptical empiricist: the unknown scares me much more than evil I can predict, take into account, and react to. If it came down to Obama vs Hillary, I would sadly prefer Hillary. At least with her I know what to expect. He is a surprise box. Especially in these crucial times, we cannot afford surprises.

If you dig deep enough he is quite sinister.

133 Math Guique  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:03:41pm

Hillary is both the least scary of the Democratic candidates AND the least electable in a general election. To me, if she has really won New Hampshire, it's unambiguously good news.

134 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:03:47pm

re: #130 Bill Jefferson

Is Obama's "yes we can" meant to echo the pro-illegal immigration protesters' "si se puede?"


yes. and you'll hear it from him in Nevada.
mark my words

135 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:04:29pm

Man I wish I had Photoshop loaded on my home machine. I'd whip up something based on this.

"Vote for Hillary, or we'll shoot this dog!"

136 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:04:50pm

re: #103 shug

Too true.

That says everything one needs to know about Edwards' cynicism.

137 Christoph  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:05:10pm

Speaking of emotion...

... wow, Obama's giving a magnificent speech and sounds so much like Martin Luther King.

You may not remember his speaches; heck, I don't. My dad told me how moving they were.

But I've heard them.

And that's what Obama sounds like... this is his concession speech for this part of the candidate selection process. He may not win now... but one day, he'll be powerful if he continues this.

138 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:05:16pm

re: #128 DesertSage

White liberals hate black people.

Almost as much as ron paul does.

139 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:05:31pm

Let's stop wailin', moanin', bitchin', and wringin' our hands folks.

Hilldabeast won NH, which is a GOOD thing.

Now both those shitferbrains have taken a hit! Both have been weakened, and as they continue to smear, and undermine each other, they will both lose respect, and appeal in the eyes of the general electorate. Good.

To Hell with both of them!

140 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:05:58pm

Shrill's speech coming up.

I bet you all can barely wait to hear this.

141 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:00pm

BRB.
going for vomit bucket

142 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:10pm

Looks like Rudy just barely beat Ron Paul by 1%

143 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:10pm

Hillary just pulled off the fastest political resurrection in history. A scant few hours ago she was toast. Now she's Queen-elect.

144 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:29pm

Everybody's getting all excited about the momentum swinging from BHO back to HRC. But weren't they basically tied in both states? I mean, in the primaries, when delegates are divided based on the percentage of the vote, I think it doesn't really mean anything to come out 3 percentage points over your rival.

145 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:33pm

Chelsea and Billy Jeff!

146 hayseed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:42pm

well she's speaking now...not crying

147 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:48pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

re: #110 Dianna

When he spoke at the last dem convention I was actually really impressed with him. All the Dems were pouting and angry and he was the only one with a positive message. I think he's just repeating the gimmick without adding content.

I don't think his message is positive. Just spun that way.

148 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:06:55pm

re: #102 blackpajamas

FoxNews is calling McCain the Comeback Kid.

Comeback where?

Does a Nude Hampster citizen really give a rat's arse about illegal alien amnesty? Does McCain really think he has a chance in any state with a population larger than Las Vegas that's within 500 miles of the Mexican border?

Nude Hampster! Geez, I'm sitting here in a hotel room, alone, laughing my ass off. Thanks, I needed that.

Now, about that Hampster (the nude one)...has he run for reelection in AZ since his immigratory dalliance with the nefarious Sen "waitress sandwich" Kennedy?

149 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:05pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

A poor example in every way, I must agree.

150 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:12pm

Why do I get the feeling that 10% of Hill's rabid supporters are already HIV positive or suffering from mad cow?

151 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:23pm

re: #109 MagnaniomousCoward

PIMF on those block quotes. medaura18586 is blameless :-)

re: #88 Last Mohican

OT:

Mystery solved! I finally figured out what Mahmood Ahmadinejad used to do before he became a genocidal madman. Turns out he used to be quite an likable fellow (pic).

Oh, I have found another picture of Mahmood's seedy past - I mean future: pic

152 Christoph  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:25pm

Clinton just started speaking and she looks emotional. Genuinely this time, I believe.

153 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:32pm

re: #117 NoSpam

re: #84 JeremyR


re: #18 NoSpam

I'd rather have Hillary than Obama as the main candidate. Lots of people hate her. She has the highest unfavorable ratings of any candite, and unfavorable translates to unelectability. Delegates in a primary don't (necessarily) translate to votes in the real election.

Sure they do! Ifshe gets 2200 delegates, she is all but guaranteed 2200 votes in the general election, which is about 2198 more then she should get. (Exception is made for Chelsea and Worthless Willie.)

But the fact that so many conservatives and moderates hate her will drie them to the polls in droves to make sure it's anybody but hildemort. She may have the primary vote, but primary delegates do not translate into a win in the general.

I was being sarchastic. if she gets 2200 delegates, she will probably get 2200 votes in the general. Not primary votes to primary votes, 2200 delegates to the clueless commies convention in Denver who will still be voting for the hell on the hill.
She is nobody's second choice. Hell, she isn't the first choice of anybody even halfway smart.

154 kayatribe  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:45pm

re: #80 Egfrow

fred's campaign has really never been much more than a premature ejaculation. i thought he turned in his best effort at the abc forum, but whenever he has a chance to do it gracefully, it's time for an exit, stage right...

155 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:07:59pm

Hillary speech: "I found my own voice. I felt like we all spoke from our hearts..."

156 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:00pm

I listened to you and I found my own voice!

157 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:03pm

Frankly, I just can't wait for the sheer electoral thrill of the Idaho Open Primary.

Idaho, on May 27th it's more than just a persistent vegetative state.

158 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:07pm

I hate brocade Mussilini blouses!

159 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:08pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

She cried, she won. What kind of example is this for young women? Way to be the feminist you claimed to be, hill. I can't stand your politics, but as a woman I'm more appalled at your tactics yesterday.

exactly.

160 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:10pm

I must say Hillary's victory gives me a lot of pause. If the people of New Hampshire can be hustled so easily by this con artist, it makes me wonder if the rest of the country can be easily conned. She's a charlatan, but too few people seem to see it.

161 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:13pm

re: #97 American Soldier

Say Hey,

Almost missed ya. Haven't run into you lately.

How's the kid doin'?

162 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:20pm

re: #109 MagnaniomousCoward

Look at Hitler's earliest speeches, not his later ones. They were mostly emphasizing promises to the German people, and rambled on in the same sort of manner that Obama's do. It is in Later speeches that the conspiracy theories started to take the main stage in Hitler's rhetoric. In the early stages he made promises to the public to lure the people in.

I'm not saying Obama=Hitler, but the similarities are there in what they offered at first. Beware of socialists* bearing gifts.


*The S in NSDAP...

163 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:23pm

America needs a comeback?

164 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:30pm

re: #3 Hard Right

Emotion had nothing to do with it. That's just NH for you.

Heh.

That's why Mark Steyn moved to NH.

165 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:40pm

Politics isn't a game!

166 judymac  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:42pm

Ewww - who picked out Hillary's jacket?

And "she found her own voice"? You mean the weepy, feel-sorry-for-poor-me one? GREAT example for the feminists, Hill.

Even though I am NO Clinton fan, I'd prefer a Republican candidate to run against her than Obama . . . her "dislike" numbers are just so deliciously high . . .

167 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:08:45pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Looks like Rudy just barely beat Ron Paul by 1%

Yeah but Paul really tried and hoped he could pull a Buchanan. If he can't get NH...

168 kayatribe  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:20pm

re: #115 blackpajamas

uh, he withdrew from the race last week.

169 segesta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:24pm

>>How is Park Ridge these days

Just as upper middle class as ever. If you've got half a million dollars you can buy a 2 bedroom fixer upper built in '54.

Then you demolish it, and put up a McMansion that casts a shadow on the house next door.

170 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:27pm
171 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:29pm

re: #167 jayzee

re: #142 Killgore Trout


Looks like Rudy just barely beat Ron Paul by 1%

Yeah but Paul really tried and hoped he could pull a Buchanan. If he can't get NH...


his 15 minutes of fame expired when the polls closed

172 solergic  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:32pm

I cannot stand the Clintons. They should both be in the Federal pen, not running for office. I don't understand how anyone can support them. There are Democrats out there that did not steal and kill to get to the top. The Clintons are the reason that so many people I know, including me, now vote republican. I have never voted for a Clinton and never will.

173 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:56pm

Hillary is speaking right now. It's like Night of the Living Dead.

174 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:09:58pm

re: #138 Sharmuta

re: #128 DesertSage

White liberals hate black people.

Almost as much as ron paul does.

I kinda feel sorry for Barack. A black man just can't get a break from the lilly-white lefties in the north east.

Lefty hates black people!

175 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:02pm

re: #108 itellu3times

Another Miniature State Proves Its Cluelessness
film at eleven

:-)

176 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:09pm

re: #150 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Why do I get the feeling that 10% of Hill's rabid supporters are already HIV positive or suffering from mad cow?

Hillary...Mad Cow...I get it!

177 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:12pm

Looks like she's added low-lights to her hair, transitioning darker...towards new look, new image?

178 solomonpanting  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:14pm

re: #139 M. Bensson-Levi

To Hell with both of them!

Perhaps that's a place where both would win.

179 chubby vegan  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:21pm

The only thing that saddens me is that we have a year to go and the Hillary machine's gears are going to shrilly grind on my ears until it is over. Is it okay if I ignore news and just check with you guys now and then until December?

180 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:37pm

Which is more unlikely :

Hillary winning today against the odds

or

turning 1000 into 100,000 playing the cattle futures market?

181 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:38pm

Rodan, why don't you just stfu?

182 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:41pm

Free college! How about free cars? Free houses? Free everything?

183 Egfrow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:10:52pm

So I guess it's going to come down to Romney or McCain.

184 combatwombat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:01pm

re: #137 Christoph

Oh come on. Obama's speeches are full of nothing but vapid cliches. The man can talk for an hour without actually saying a damn thing. I could write them:

"My fellow Americans, this is a time of hope! For too long we have been driven by the politics of fear! But now I'm here to offer Hope...and Change. Yes, Change. I know any hack politician can offer you change and hope; but only I am here to offer Change and Hope. Hope for the future, Change We Can Believe In! Not fake change or loose change, oh no. Real, meaningful Change."

185 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:01pm

re: #133 Math Guique

Hillary is both the least scary of the Democratic candidates AND the least electable in a general election. To me, if she has really won New Hampshire, it's unambiguously good news.

Hillary is probably the least electable because she strikes terror into the hearts of most thinking people. My 12-year-old granddaughter told me today that she is very frightened of Hillary being President. Smart kid.

186 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:03pm

re: #150 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Why do I get the feeling that 10% of Hill's rabid supporters aren't already HIV positive or suffering from mad cow?

Fixed it for ya!

187 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:18pm

YOU come first, unless you make over 75K/yr

188 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:19pm
re: #63 LadyK

I want to know what the *&^# just happened.

There is nothing I put past these people, and these returns demand a closer look.

A much closer look.

___
a) announcements all day that they're running out of Democrat ballots
b) Hillary wins

/do the math

Seriously, something is very, very awry here. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about some shenanigans. I'm telling you, this is too screwy to be legit.

189 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:32pm

I can't stand hearing this woman.
It's like finger nails on a chalkboard!

190 medaura18586  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:36pm

re: #120 meMarc

Extremely well said!

I was trying to put it into words myself, especially the first part, about her lack of principles somehow being useful. And I had a similar (inverse) argument against Ron Paul. There's plenty to say against him, but I am trying to shake off some libertarian friends who have drunk the Ron Paul kool aid, so I need to be gentle: The point is that he is so full of principles, so obsessed with his bizarre anarco-libertarian convictions, that his absolutism on any issue is quasi-religious. Although he might do some things I would for once love to see happen (abolish the Fed/IRS, federal income tax and whatnot), he would be so stiff and impractical, bound by his convictions to a point where he would never be able to listen to reason and maneuver in intricate situations. Sometimes, a lack of principles and smart opportunism can be better than any principles at all

191 yaacov ben moshe  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:37pm

That's a Liberal for you, crying, and sneering all the way!
The thing to remember is that the left is addicted to sneering. It is their metier- see this: Addicted to Sneering: Why The Left Taunts the Tiger

192 So?  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:11:45pm
193 badsysop  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:12:17pm

I dislike Clinton, but I think that John Edwards would be 100X worse. Obama is probably also pretty bad.

What if...just what if... It is Obama Vs. (insert republican) and the democrat wins. I think you'll WISH it was Hillary in office.

194 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:12:18pm

Hill's botox still hasn't finished its work...

But it's getting there.

195 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:12:39pm

re: #114 dammad

re: #62 American Soldier

Park Ridge is good...not as Republican as it once was...many of my friends are liberals. Of course they all have big bucks and bitch when their property taxes go up. But everything is Bush's fault. I got "outed" at a dinner party once (for being a Republican)...thought I was gonna get tarred and feathered!

None of my moonbat relations can fathom why I'll never return to Illinois- especially Cook County (I stand to inherit 1/2 of a North Shore home). 'course, those same relatives can't understand the 2nd Amendment, either.
-Happy Hoosier

196 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:02pm

re: #163 Shug

America needs a bitchslap.

197 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:06pm

The coverage and spinsters are laughable. What comeback? McCain was figuring on capturing NH just as he has in the past. It's the other 48 states that have proven to be a challenge. Extrapolating from NH to any other state simply can't be done. The advantage of winning is in getting the delegates - nothing more. There's no momentum for anyone here - and that's got to be infuriating for the pundits who have to spin like mad to justify their salaries.

It's a rotating assortment for the GOP - and even through it all Romney still holds the lead in what's really important - delegates. McCain is still back in the pack despite winning. Comeback kid? Let me know how that goes when he's actually leading in delegates. Until then, he's still yet to show anything remotely approaching staying power.

It should be troubling for Fred that he's not getting traction, and he's got to start doing better, or he's gone.

For the Democrats, it goes to show what happens when you underestimate Clinton's machinery - so much for all that momentum Obama supposedly had after Iowa. It lasted precisely one primary.

Hillary continues to lead in what counts - delegates - just as Romney does, so despite the punditry talking about how both are in trouble or that Hillary or Romney might be forced out, nothing of the kind will happen until they are knocked off their perch, and the soonest that could happen is Super Tuesday.

That's the date to watch for. Everything else is just setting the table for a crazy and hectic day.

198 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:15pm
To end the war in Iraq the right way

which is?

199 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:16pm

re: #151 MagnaniomousCoward

Wow, I had to resort to Wikipedia to figure that one out. Actually, I read the whole Wikipedia article, and I still don't think I've figured it out. Sometimes I feel so illiterate.

That typo in my last post didn't help. Sorry. PIMF.

200 Canadian Guy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:21pm

re: #80 Egfrow

Man, all the MSM outlets seem to be just avoiding mentioning the name Fred Thompson almost completely.

Well, he's at 1 per cent tonight in NH.

I'm a Fred guy, btw.

201 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:40pm

I liked her better when she was crying.

202 solomonpanting  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:40pm

re: #183 Egfrow

So I guess it's going to come down to Romney or McCain.


Hold on there a minute. States with populations larger than a crowded Wal-Mart have yet to vote.

203 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:13:54pm

This woman has no chance in the general election.

204 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:14:21pm

re: #170 Rodan

re: #139 M. Bensson-Levi
Hillary has the Media and Corporations behind her.
She's unstoppable.
Only McCain can defeat her.
He's not a Corporatist/Globalist Republican.
I'm sick of Free Trade and Outsourcing.
This has to stop.


Free trade and outsourcing are all part of a global economy. We cannot isolate ourselves from the world. Globalization is nothing new under the sun. It's a very very very old phenomenon. Nations trade shit for money. that's how the world works. If the damn Democrats would stop raising taxes and punishing corporations - maybe we cold keep more of our jobs here.

Punitive taxation makes people/businesses flee.

205 PrairieWind  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:14:27pm

By a hair, I think Hillary would be easier to deal with than Obama.

Notice that even at many conservative blogs, like this one, the major topic is Hillary-Obama ... for the most part, the GOP candidates can go pound sand. If this is how it will be in the general election -- Democrats sucking all the oxygen out of the media AND the blogosophere -- we're screwed. Royally screwed.

Now what we have to fear is the worst of all possible outcomes -- a Hillary-Obama ticket. Picture Hillary and Obama on the stage holding hands in glorious reconciliation, flanked by Oprah and the Old Guard, and the media dutifully on its knees delivering loving busses to one and all.

The Vampire and the Mummy.

206 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:14:28pm

re: #189 DesertSage

Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.

207 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:14:34pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Last number I saw for Rudy (who didn't campaign) was 9%?

208 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:14:54pm

re: #174 DesertSage

B. Hussein: If you don't vote for me you're a rascist!
Hildemort: If you don't vote for me you're a sexist!

*NoSpam's head explodes*

209 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:14:58pm

Her dress fabric would make a nice chair.

210 beachkatie  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:13pm

re: #163 Shug

America needs a comeback?

We need another Reagan now! We are at war ,don't ya know?

211 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:13pm

Just the plain grit! Imagine that voice for 4-8yrs.

212 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:15pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

re: #80 Egfrow
That's because Fred tanked tonight with 1%. Rudy didn't even campaign there and pulled in 9%.


That's not what his campaign is saying:

"...Giuliani campaign spokeswoman Maria Comella said she didn't trust ABC News' numbers, and said regardless, the campaign had never downplayed an effort here. "The mayor's always said, Yes, we're making an effort in New Hampshire," she said."


More specifics here: Numbers Show Rudy's Attempts to Win New Hampshire

213 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:27pm

re: #203 DesertSage

She has a very good chance, the next general election is going to be very close. If it's Hilary Vs. Rudy. She has a good chance at winning against the other candidates.

214 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:42pm

re: #203 DesertSage

This woman has no chance in the general election.

hence the reason I'm rooting for her to get the nomination.

215 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:50pm

ot: Democratic Underground: It’s Diebold again!

[Link: cadillactight.wordpress.com...]

the DUmmies are ranting again...

216 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:53pm

Bill is going to be insufferable for the next couple of days.

217 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:15:57pm

re: #207 Dianna

That's what I saw too.

218 10thivi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:16:12pm

(Apologies to Leslie Gore!)

'BAMA'S TURN TO CRY

'Cause now, it's 'Bama's turn to cry
'Bama's turn to cry,
'Bama's turn to cry
'Cause Hampshire's come back (Hampshire's come back, come back) to me

Oh, when 'Bama left with Iowa at my party (my party)
And came back doing his thing,
I sat down and cried my eyes out
Now, that was a saavy thing

'Cause now, it's 'Bama's turn to cry
'Bama's turn to cry,
'Bama's turn to cry
'Cause Hampshire's come back (Hampshire's come back, come back) to me

Well, it hurt me so when they caucus'd together (together)
I felt like making a scene
Then, my tears just fell like raindrops
'Cause 'Bama's smile was so mean

'Cause now, it's 'Bama's turn to cry
'Bama's turn to cry,
'Bama's turn to cry
'Cause Hampshire's come back (Hampshire's come back, come back) to me

(Instrumental Break)

Oh, the pollsters said I was finished (finished)
So, I let a tear fall from my eye
Bubba jumped up and said "Screw Kucinich!"
'Cause he still needs me, that's why

'Cause now, it's 'Bama's turn to cry
'Bama's turn to cry,
'Bama's turn to cry
'Cause Hampshire's come back (Hampshire's come back, come back) to me

Yay, now, it's 'Bama's turn to cry
'Bama's turn to cry,
'Bama's turn to cry...FADE

Here's the original, so you can sing along!

219 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:16:31pm

re: #91 Mich-again

The campaign will be a long meandering journey and we're just getting started, but I wonder... Who's Crying Now.

I don't know who's crying now, but if any of those neo-coms (i.e., Dems) make it into office, we will all be crying later.

220 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:16:32pm

re: #161 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #97 American Soldier

Say Hey,

Almost missed ya. Haven't run into you lately.

How's the kid doin'?

OK, thanks. Was in the States for a few weeks' leave, now back in the shit. President Bush's tour is gonna take him through the kid's AO- hope it stays quiet.

221 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

re: #203 DesertSage

She has a very good chance, the next general election is going to be very close. If it's Hilary Vs. Rudy. She has a good chance at winning against the other candidates.

That's why I want Rudy.

222 NoSpam  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:16:56pm

re: #216 meMarc

Was he ever not insufferable?

223 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:12pm

re: #203 DesertSage

This woman has no chance in the general election.

I hope you are right. If she wins - say hello to all of her wonderful socialist entitlement programs. (not to mention her liberal judges.)

224 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:14pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout
As a p.s. to my #212 debunking the Rudy-didn't-try-in-New-Hampshire myth, in Rudy's book Leadership he explains the importance of creating low expectations ;)

225 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:15pm

We are facing a moment of so many big challenges! We know we face challenges at home around the world.. foreclosures...get sick..health insurance... college...dreams... too many have been invisible for too long but you are not invisible to me... The oil companies, the drug companies, the predatory student loan companies... blah blah children...america. solve any problem.. no more invisible Americans... We are in it for the long ride! serve notice... middle class... otpbtpftp...American dream... end the war in Iraq the right way..veterans.. restore credibility around the world...if you join in this call to greatness..HillaryClint*.com.. spirit and grit...Make America work again...so much at stake..Thank Bill and Chelsea.. mom...that team never faltered one minute!

226 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:31pm

re: #222 NoSpam

Good point.

227 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:33pm

If a Democrat, or John McCain, wins the election in '08, I'll start moving business interests to the Jelly Belly free trade zone.

Why should we be forced to pay any more taxes to the U.S. govt. to cover the cost of illegal alien gang members, tax cheats, and welfare cases?

228 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:39pm
229 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:17:41pm

"You want this election to be about you"

She not only gives us what we want, she also decides what we want!

230 Lynn B.  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:05pm

So much for polls. Real Clear Politics still has Obama up by 8.3%.

231 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:08pm

re: #206 dahveed

re: #189 DesertSage

Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.

Don't the people behind her look like they got there on the short bus? Either that or they had a big bowl of cream-of-peyote soup.

232 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:27pm

re: #170 Rodan

re: #139 M. Bensson-Levi
Hillary has the Media and Corporations behind her.
She's unstoppable.
Only McCain can defeat her.
He's not a Corporatist/Globalist Republican.
I'm sick of Free Trade and Outsourcing.
This has to stop.

I guess you missed this on the previous thread:

SMACK! SMACK! GET HOLD OF YOURSELF, MAN!

Bet you're real steady under fire.

Read this, from up thread:

Well, it seems like Hilldabeast is gonna win NH, which makes me very happy.

Now both those shitferbrains have taken a hit! Both have been weakened, and as they continue to smear, and undermine each other, they will lose respect, and appeal in the eyes of the general electorate. Good.

To Hell with both of them!

Now, drink this. Steady yourself, there, lad. It'll all be fine.

And take two of these, lie down, and call somebody else in the morning.

233 mattm  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:29pm

Shillary has stopped talking.

234 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:44pm

re: #203 DesertSage

This woman has no chance in the general election.


I never count out these people. They are like Michael Myers from Halloween.


their cheating scorched earth machine is a force to be feared

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:46pm

Ouch, that was a painful note.

236 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:18:57pm

Interesting Hillary backdrop

Not a black face to mar the view. Now that I've noticed that, expect a proportional representation of "people of color" in her other three victory speeches.

She's so nauseating that I think that my repulsion could gag a maggot.

237 So?  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:19:00pm

Obama almost made the landing, the the hand of Allah intervened.

238 Christoph  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:19:34pm

Clinton's best speech ever. Not a fan of her, but it was good.

239 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:19:43pm

re: #233 mattm

Shillary has stopped talking.

Forever? :')

240 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:19:45pm
241 dammad  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:19:53pm

re: #195 American Soldier

Ah...my brother is a Hoosier and I may need to follow in his footsteps someday; but I really hate the Borman Xway. And, yeah, my FOID card is always fun to pull out at Park Ridge parties...

242 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:01pm
We already know the furries support Ron Paul.

My furry dogs drop Ron Pauls around the yard.

243 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:03pm

re: #165 Mich-again

No, it's a blood sport.

244 mardukhai  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:06pm

Come on, guys -- put a stopper in it!

Barak Hussein lost, and that's a good thing. Some of you are sounding like those Bush Derangement Syndrome types, but in reverse.

Let's lower the screaming level, okay? It's bad for civil discourse.

245 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:10pm

No matter how hard she tires - Hillary cannot escape the fact that she is painful to listen to.

246 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:21pm

That crowd was as white as rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snow storm.

247 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:34pm

re: #178 solomonpanting

re: #139 M. Bensson-Levi

To Hell with both of them!

Perhaps that's a place where both would win.

Satan'd never turn his back on either of them!

248 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:40pm

jesse jackson endorsement--the kiss of death.

249 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:48pm

re: #229 allahtoyou

"You want this election to be about you"

She not only gives us what we want, she also decides what we want!

Translation: You want this election to be about you, and you want me, so this election is about me. Me me me!

What a narcissist.

250 judymac  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:52pm

I read something during the last election cycle about how people respond to being asked about their vote.
A LOT of people don't 'fess up to their true vote, but instead, give the name of the candidate that's gotten more positive coverage in the MSM . . . in other words, the voter tells the pollster he voted for the candidate that he thinks is more "acceptable" for the pollster to hear - or, in my estimation, the candidate that's considered "hipper."
That would explain why Democrat candidates often poll better than the Republicans (but the races are so close), and might explain why everyone said they were voting for the hot-pick-of-the-week Obama . . .

Or maybe no one wanted to say that they were voting for the white candidate over the black one . . .

251 WindHorse  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:20:53pm

when will the serious contender(s) on the Republican side enter the race?

(testing Newt-1-2-3...)

252 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:21:30pm

Lefty New Hampshire is NOT Middle America. This is a horse race...there are going to be alot of changes in momentum. A LONG election with lots of twists and turns, lots of smears and effective attacks all around. And with instantaneous internet coverage, nothing will go unnoticed. So sit back and get comfy.

253 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:21:32pm

And while everyone else is focusing on the vote tally - keep your eye on the delegates. Hillary won and got 8. Obama lost, but got 8.

Who exactly won again? Who lost again? That's what a tie looks like - popular vote notwithstanding.

Obama holds a slight lead in pledged delegates, while Romney holds the lead for the GOP.

254 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:21:33pm

re: #233 mattm

Shillary has stopped talking.

There is a God!

/And he loves Killgore Trout. ;)

255 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:21:37pm

re: #212 Orde

I see that as a bunch of spin. Rudy campaigned a little the article states that he spent about a 1/3 less than Romney and 1/2 of what McCain spent. He's saving his money for the later primaries.

256 jayzee  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:21:46pm

re: #224 Orde

re: #99 Killgore Trout
As a p.s. to my #212 debunking the Rudy-didn't-try-in-New-Hampshire myth, in Rudy's book Leadership he explains the importance of creating low expectations ;)

Like Prince Hal. Nonetheless, he didn't work NH. Never was in the plan.

257 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:21:54pm
258 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:22:25pm
259 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:22:42pm
260 So?  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:22:54pm

What all the candidates do while you are all asleep.

261 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:10pm

re: #254 Sharmuta

Theocratic propaganda!

262 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:12pm

re: #231 MacDuff

re: #206 dahveed


re: #189 DesertSage

Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.


Don't the people behind her look like they got there on the short bus? Either that or they had a big bowl of cream-of-peyote soup.

That would explain it for me. Nobody who is not completely dense could possibly enjoy listening to her speak. It is frustrating listening to President Bush speak sometimes because he is not eloquent. The difference is that I believe him and trust him. There is not one thing she says that I don't take with a grain of salt.

263 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #170 Rodan

You're ascribing everything to shadowy conspiracies? Again?

264 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:27pm
265 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:28pm

re: #215 Jewels (AKA Julian)

I don't have a condom large enough for my computer so I never go over there. What are they hissy-fitting about?

266 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:30pm

re: #236 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Interesting Hillary backdrop

Not a black face to mar the view. Now that I've noticed that, expect a proportional representation of "people of color" in her other three victory speeches.

She's so nauseating that I think that my repulsion could gag a maggot.

Which other three victory speaches? Arkansas, Misery, and Kentucky? With any luck, this will be her one and only.

267 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:23:51pm
268 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:24:16pm

re: #258 song_and_dance_man

re: #255 Killgore Trout

re: #212 Orde

I see that as a bunch of spin. Rudy campaigned a little the article states that he spent about a 1/3 less than Romney and 1/2 of what McCain spent. He's saving his money for the later primaries.

And he has almost said as much.

Rudy did more in NH than in Iowa and he wanted to show that he was taking the first primary seriously, but he's saving his focus for the big ticket states to come. These early races are peanuts in comparison, especially in a compressed season where you don't get a chance for the CW to settle in - we've already seen just how useful the CW is - yesterday's news.

269 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:24:17pm
270 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:24:39pm

I'm kind of upset they didn't show the Kucinich and ron paul concession speeches.

/

271 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:24:53pm

re: #232 M. Bensson-Levi

Now, drink this. Steady yourself, there, lad. It'll all be fine.

And take two of these, lie down, and call somebody else in the morning.


Great medical advice. I'll have to start using that line in my practice.

272 Canadian Guy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:25:11pm

The Clintons aren't dead yet. Dick Morris' career lives for another day.

273 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:25:21pm

If I were a conservative independent voter in N.H, I'd vote for Hillary to try and take Obama out. Wonder how many people did that? You couldn't trust polling to tell you.

274 gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:25:25pm

Looks like Hillary's crocodile tears worked.

"Conventional widsom" after only one primary is anything but.

Now would be agood time to read or re-read both Dereliction of Duty, by Buzz Patterson and Empire, by Orson Scott Card.

275 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:25:32pm

re: #212 Orde Yeah, Rudy campaigned there, but as his spokeswoman said: we don't trust ABC (numbers on time and TV ad spending; not trusting ABC is yet another good reason to vote for Rudy!) at your link and "The mayor's always said, Yes, we're making an effort in New Hampshire," she said. Not exactly a ringing "battle cry", LOL. Also from your link: "Before the Iowa caucuses, Giuliani told ABC News that he was campaigning "proportionately throughout the country," meaning that instead of Iowa and New Hampshire he was focusing on Florida, which will hold its primary Jan. 29, and the delegate-rich states such as California and New York holding their contests along with approximately 20 other states on Super Duper Tuesday, Feb. 5." And I do think that's what he's doing. Don't know why any Republican except Romney (because he's from Massachusetts, also a New England State) bothered to campaign against McCain - he may be old, tired, out of ideas, fresh or otherwise, but the voters of New Hampshire LOVE him and there's just no way to get around that.
Let's see what happens in 20 state fight on February 5th before we bury any candidate, shall we (Ron Paul excepted, of course).

276 Shug  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:25:45pm

re: #272 Canadian Guy

The Clintons aren't dead yet. Dick Morris' career lives for another day.

If they don't have him killed

277 Canadian Guy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:26:11pm

re: #273 meMarc

If I were a conservative independent voter in N.H, I'd vote for Hillary to try and take Obama out. Wonder how many people did that? You couldn't trust polling to tell you.

One NH Lizard said he did that today in an earlier thread.

278 Catawba  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:26:32pm

It's interesting that all the major news sites carry the story, but they don't give the actual vote count.

279 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:26:53pm
280 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:26:59pm

re: #262 dahveed

re: #231 MacDuff


re: #206 dahveed

re: #189 DesertSage
Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.

Don't the people behind her look like they got there on the short bus? Either that or they had a big bowl of cream-of-peyote soup.

That would explain it for me. Nobody who is not completely dense could possibly enjoy listening to her speak. It is frustrating listening to President Bush speak sometimes because he is not eloquent. The difference is that I believe him and trust him. There is not one thing she says that I don't take with a grain of salt.

And that condescending smirk she always has plastered on her face...it's infuriating!

281 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:27:12pm

Dumb question. At the National convention, does each State put all their delegates to the candidate who won the State election or do they appropriate them based on the individual district counts. yeah yeah I should know that...

282 Daisy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:27:15pm

Her tears were effective/ she had a female moment .. which apparently fooled enough people to do her some good.

Her real challenge will be against McCain. Apart from her lousy politics, she's simply unlikable. Her own party rallied for the moment .. but even they don't like her. Here's hoping it stays that way.

283 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:27:29pm

It's August 2008. I'm stopped at a traffic light. The Prius in front of me has a bumper sticker. "CLINTON-OBAMA in '08...
ARRRGGGHHH!

Auntie Em! Auntie Em!

Power to the Correct People!
(even those with faulty second sight)

284 solomonpanting  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:27:52pm

re: #252 Stuck-in-CA

Lefty New Hampshire is NOT Middle America. This is a horse race...there are going to be alot of changes in momentum. A LONG election with lots of twists and turns, lots of smears and effective attacks all around. And with instantaneous internet coverage, nothing will go unnoticed. So sit back and get comfy.


I totally agree. With no incumbent, VP, or clear-cut candidate pulling away from the pack, this election will be one for the ages.

285 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:00pm

re: #220 American Soldier

re: #161 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #97 American Soldier

Say Hey,

Almost missed ya. Haven't run into you lately.

How's the kid doin'?

OK, thanks. Was in the States for a few weeks' leave, now back in the shit. President Bush's tour is gonna take him through the kid's AO- hope it stays quiet.

Me too. I am so pissed that Bush is risking the lives of so many, and the life of the POTUS, on what is essentially an empty grandstanding gesture of deference to the Saudis!

Ch'ob im in drert!

286 beachkatie  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:02pm

Goodnight lizards, better day tomorrow.! SEE ya then...11:26 PM HERE. beauty sleep time.. sweet dream all to ya.

287 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:18pm

re: #139 M. Bensson-Levi
Hillary has the Media and Corporations behind her.
She's unstoppable.
Only McCain can defeat her.
He's not a Corporatist/Globalist Republican.
I'm sick of Free Trade and Outsourcing.
This has to stop.

Globalists value "economic freedom" ... their own, but not your's

and McCain is their stooge

288 Lee Coller  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:19pm

re: #281 Mich-again

Dumb question. At the National convention, does each State put all their delegates to the candidate who won the State election or do they appropriate them based on the individual district counts. yeah yeah I should know that...

I think its up to each state party.

289 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:19pm

re: #279 Rodan

re: #273 meMarc

You'd vote for Hillary Stalin?
Thanks for helping this Totalitarianist win!

So you would prefer that Obama got the nomination?

290 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:27pm

re: #253 lawhawk

Thanks for that explanation..

291 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:29pm

blah, blah, blah... Can she protect us from the Terrible Secret of Space?


/ i think not

292 witness  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:28:45pm

Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid.
Yoda: You will be. You will be.

293 freedomplow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:29:18pm

The MSM look like idiots again.

294 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:29:27pm

re: #283 IslandLibertarian

It's August 2008. I'm stopped at a traffic light. The Prius in front of me has a bumper sticker. "CLINTON-OBAMA in '08...
ARRRGGGHHH!

Auntie Em! Auntie Em!

Power to the Correct People!
(even those with faulty second sight)

Maybe she would pick him for vp, but I'm not so sure. He would upstage her and NO ONE upstages the hildabeast.

295 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:29:34pm

If Hillary is the Dem nominee, millions of people will come out just to vote against her!

297 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:29:56pm

re: #271 American Soldier

re: #232 M. Bensson-Levi


Now, drink this. Steady yourself, there, lad. It'll all be fine.

And take two of these, lie down, and call somebody else in the morning.


Great medical advice. I'll have to start using that line in my practice.

Or the clasic Army medic line, (shouted at the top of the lungs) "I don't do house calls. Take two aspirin and mail in the $50.

298 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:29:58pm

re: #257 Rodan

re: #244 mardukhai
Hillary will continue Outsourcing and selling our nation our to the Chi-Coms, Indians and Muslims.
Excuse me I'm angry.
I want my country back!

Hillary sold her soul to the Chi-coms a long time ago. The Clinton machine is funded extensively by the Chi-coms (the media says she's out of money? - pah-lease)
The question is why are the Chinese Communists and corrupt Chinese businessmen so interested in seeing Hillary as President of the United States?

299 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:30:07pm

So the pollsters were wrong again?

SHOCKA!

/

300 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:30:07pm
301 hillary clinton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:30:25pm

I have so many opportunities from this country. I just don't want to see us fall backwards.

302 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:30:30pm

re: #295 DesertSage

If Hillary is the Dem nominee, millions of people will come out just to vote against her!

More than will come out to vote against Obama.

303 Kohenan The Barbarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:10pm

Drat ts!---the old douche bagged it!

304 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:10pm
305 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:14pm

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306 witness  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:30pm

re: #293 freedomplow

We believed their assesment. Are we then not useful idiots?

See # 126

307 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:31pm

re: #281 Mich-again

Dumb question. At the National convention, does each State put all their delegates to the candidate who won the State election or do they appropriate them based on the individual district counts. yeah yeah I should know that...

I think it depends on the way it's set up. Some states distribute the delegates based on percentages - other states are winner takes all.
?

308 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:34pm

re: #162 NoSpam

I'm not too familiar with Hitler pre-1933, but it seems that at least in political meetings, he was ranting about the Joos already in 1921 and 1922, although what I'm looking at here are speeches made to political allies, which may have made his message less "polished" for the masses. Do you have some references to which speeches you're referring to? Radio speeches maybe?

309 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:44pm
310 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:31:47pm

Our friends in Pakistan...
'US bigger threat than Al Qaeda'


Pakistanis believe the US military presence in the region is a far greater threat to their country than Al Qaeda, according to a new survey.

The survey showed that 72 percent of Pakistanis view the US military presence in Asia as a 'critical threat' to the 'vital interests of Pakistan' with 12 percent more seeing it as an 'important but not critical threat'.

About 83 percent Pakistanis viewed the US military presence in Afghanistan as a possible vital threat to their country's interests.

In comparison, only 62 percent said the terrorist group Al Qaeda was a possible threat to Pakistan's interests.


After the assassination of Bhuto, the takeone of the Red Mosque and countless suicide bombings they still like Al Qaeda more than us.

311 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:32:01pm

re: #302 meMarc

re: #295 DesertSage

If Hillary is the Dem nominee, millions of people will come out just to vote against her!

More than will come out to vote against Obama.

I don't think so. Hillary is despised by a lot more people than Obama.

312 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:32:05pm

re: #305 MandyManners

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My sentiments exactly.

313 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:32:21pm

re: #280 MacDuff

She has the look of a typical liberal. The look of "I am smarter than you, and I know what's best for you."

314 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:32:36pm

re: #298 FrogMarch

re: #257 Rodan


re: #244 mardukhai
Hillary will continue Outsourcing and selling our nation our to the Chi-Coms, Indians and Muslims.
Excuse me I'm angry.
I want my country back!

Hillary sold her soul to the Chi-coms a long time ago. The Clinton machine is funded extensively by the Chi-coms (the media says she's out of money? - pah-lease)
The question is why are the Chinese Communists and corrupt Chinese businessmen so interested in seeing Hillary as President of the United States?

The last four pages in the pile of nuclear secrets that Worthless Willie delivered to them were unreadable.

315 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:32:42pm

Dick Morris just said that Mich-again was going to be decisive determining the race and I hereby want to go on record supporting Rudy. So it is posted, so it is done.

316 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:33:08pm

Good Grief!

How many times do I have to listen to Dickhead Morris and Alan Comes give us the surrogate gay socialist extremist version of the news when they say things like the Republican nomination is ALL ABOUT MICHIGAN!

I know that Hannity wanted to beat those guys down with a stick, but c'mon now, isn't news supposed to be a family friendly show?

317 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:33:22pm

re: #311 DesertSage

re: #302 meMarc


re: #295 DesertSage

If Hillary is the Dem nominee, millions of people will come out just to vote against her!

More than will come out to vote against Obama.

I don't think so. Hillary is despised by a lot more people than Obama.

I so hope you're right.

318 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:33:40pm

re: #274 gearhead

Looks like Hillary's crocodile tears worked.

If people voted for her because of that, we're in real trouble as an electorate.

/we don't need a President who cries

319 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:34:19pm

When you look at things from a National perspective, (polls), it appears that Hillary is most likely to get the Democratic nomination.
These little meaningless caucuses so far, are mostly that . . . meaningless.
Look at the big picture.

It seems logical to me that Hillary would lose to most of the current Republican nominees, not just McCain. If more than half the country would never vote for her, and if she has to struggle to get 1/3 of her own party to nominate her, how the hell is she ever going to win the presidency?

320 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:34:23pm

re: #160 dahveed

I must say Hillary's victory gives me a lot of pause. If the people of New Hampshire can be hustled so easily by this con artist, it makes me wonder if the rest of the country can be easily conned. She's a charlatan, but too few people seem to see it.

Her lying ass husband was elected president TWICE. We're doomed!

321 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:34:25pm

re: #287 shoey
McCain is not their stooge!
He's against them.
That's why they crushed him 2000


he's been hanging around with them and kissing their asses for years,
if it walks like a duck...

322 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:34:32pm

re: #316 really grumpy big dog Johnson

ROFLMAO!

323 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:34:43pm

re: #242 Kosh's Shadow

We already know the furries support Ron Paul.
My furry dogs drop Ron Pauls around the yard.

I was more re-furring to the people who dress up in fur suits and have group sex.

Also we are all Kosh, and Kosh does not cast shadows. Shadows cast Kosh.

324 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:34:59pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

re: #212 Orde

I see that as a bunch of spin. Rudy campaigned a little the article states that he spent about a 1/3 less than Romney and 1/2 of what McCain spent. He's saving his money for the later primaries.

And that would be the point I made in #224:
re: #224 Orde (I read Rudy's book):

re: #99 Killgore Trout
As a p.s. to my #212 debunking the Rudy-didn't-try-in-New-Hampshire myth, in Rudy's book Leadership he explains the importance of creating low expectations ;)

Political doublespeak, ability therefore to claim either side, to cite the part showing he cares:

But Giuliani's effort here has been Herculean. Romney held 176 events in New Hampshire through Tuesday, primary day, while Giuliani held 126. That's considerably more than McCain, who held 104, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who held 93.

, or to say "hey, I wasn't trying."

325 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:35:19pm

re: #311 DesertSage

re: #302 meMarc

re: #295 DesertSage

If Hillary is the Dem nominee, millions of people will come out just to vote against her!

More than will come out to vote against Obama.

I don't think so. Hillary is despised by a lot more people than Obama.

My mistake. Meant to say More then will come out to vote against Obama. I was agreeing with you. Well, trying too. Obama scares me. Be interesting to see what happens when he starts to talk on the issues instead of just tossing platitudes around.

326 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:35:23pm

"You like me. *sniff* You really like me!"

~Sally Fields hillary clinton

327 Math Guique  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:35:26pm

re: #170 Rodan

The most recent polls I've seen show Hillary losing to any of the major Republican candidates (McCain, Romney, Giuliani).

328 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:35:45pm

re: #318 Killian Bundy

re: #274 gearhead


Looks like Hillary's crocodile tears worked.

If people voted for her because of that, we're in real trouble as an electorate.

/we don't need a President who cries

If the President wants to go home, crawl into bed and bawl like a baby, I don't care. But not in public!
And I didn't buy that little bit of theater for a minute anyway.

329 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:35:47pm

re: #287 shoey

re: #139 M. Bensson-Levi
Hillary has the Media and Corporations behind her.
She's unstoppable.
Only McCain can defeat her.
He's not a Corporatist/Globalist Republican.
I'm sick of Free Trade and Outsourcing.
This has to stop.

Globalists value "economic freedom" ... their own, but not your's

and McCain is their stooge

You must read the posts more carefully. Those are not MY words. They belong to RODAN.

Don' let dat happen agin'! :-)

330 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:35:51pm

re: #281 Mich-again

Dumb question. At the National convention, does each State put all their delegates to the candidate who won the State election or do they appropriate them based on the individual district counts. yeah yeah I should know that...

In the Democratic party, they split the delegates for each state. If you win 40% of the vote, you get 40% of the delegates. However, you need to win at least 15% or you don't get any delegates at all.

In the Republican party, each state can decide how its delegates are allocated. Some split them up, some are "winner take all." Some have a threshold, some don't.

Details here.

331 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:36:00pm

re: #324 Orde

Believe whatever you want. I won't stop you.

332 hillary clinton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:36:16pm

Didn't I look sincere!

333 gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:36:44pm

re: #312 FrogMarch & #305 MandyManners

Same here, but his poll numbers stink right now - although New Hampshire just proved how wrong polls can be.

I'm just hoping Rudy's "big-state" strategy pans out.

334 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:36:57pm

re: #332 hillary clinton

Didn't I look sincere!

You look good it red. I think it's your natural color.

335 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:37:01pm

re: #309 Rodan

re: #298 FrogMarch
So they can continue to get rich, build up their Military and then knock us out and become the pre-eminent world power.
Many Republicans like Bush also support helping the Chi-Coms.
I fear both parties are selling us out!

I think it's more subtle than that. The communists respect hillary. They know she will look the other way when they do dastardly things to their own people. All for a buck and power. It's all about power and control.
I will agree with you on this:
the Bush/Clinton axis needs to end.

336 nikis-knight  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:37:06pm

My goodness, exit polls are such garbage.

337 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:37:16pm
338 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:37:34pm

re: #269 Rodan

Rodan, I'm really sorry, but every single thing you type is on exactly the same line. You're a conspiracist. You have a problem, and you should go look into getting some help.

339 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:37:42pm

re: #288 Lee Coller

re: #281 Mich-again


Dumb question. At the National convention, does each State put all their delegates to the candidate who won the State election or do they appropriate them based on the individual district counts. yeah yeah I should know that...

I think its up to each state party.

I know I should know this too, but I think that each state votes all it's delegates according to the primary for the first ballot. If there's no clear winner on the first ballot, I think each states delegates are free to vote for whomever they wish.

340 medaura18586  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:37:52pm

re: #160 dahveed

I must say Hillary's victory gives me a lot of pause. If the people of New Hampshire can be hustled so easily by this con artist, it makes me wonder if the rest of the country can be easily conned. She's a charlatan, but too few people seem to see it.

Yes, but look at their pick of the litter. Who is any better on the Democrat side? All Democrats can pick from is her, Obama, Edwards, and some old deranged idiots. At least on the national election there will hopefully be a stronger republican candidate to give the electorate something to consider.

341 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:38:18pm

Another dumb question:

Which is more likely to be successful determining the best team? The BCS or the Primaries.

342 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:39:16pm

re: #336 nikis-knight

My goodness, exit polls are such garbage.

Exit polls had John F'n Kerry winning by a landslide in '04

343 meMarc  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:39:25pm

re: #334 meMarc

re: #332 hillary clinton

Didn't I look sincere!

You look good it red. I think it's your natural color.

"You look good in red."

Damn, I can't figure out if it's my brain or my fingers that are betraying me. Probably my eyes.

344 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:39:38pm
When you look at things from a National perspective, (polls), it appears that Hillary is most likely to get the Democratic nomination.

But see, that's why so many people were flummoxed when Bush won in '00 and '04, because the electoral college doesn't work that way. It's a state-to-state thing. And Bush carried the states he needed to.

From Jim Geraghty at NRO:


I was on the phone with a GOP consultant in New Hampshire when it flashed on Fox News. His reaction? "Holy [bad word]ing [bad word]".

UPDATE: I'm getting conspiracy theories from folks who don't usually traffic in conspiracy theories. Take a look at the last batch of polls out of New Hampshire, some of which were finished yesterday: Obama by 5, Obama by 9, Obama by 13, Obama by 7, Obama by 9, Obama by 8, Obama by 7.

I don't know if the polls have ever been so wrong, across the board. Certainly not in recent memory, and certainly never in such a high-profile race.

Something is right *&^#ed up here.

345 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:39:51pm

re: #305 MandyManners

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I'll second that Mandy! I could get behind Rudy. Sure, he has some positions that I disagree with him on...but he's right on the main one. The only one that matters right now!

346 JeremyR  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:40:00pm

re: #330 Last Mohican

re: #281 Mich-again


Dumb question. At the National convention, does each State put all their delegates to the candidate who won the State election or do they appropriate them based on the individual district counts. yeah yeah I should know that...

In the Democratic party, they split the delegates for each state. If you win 40% of the vote, you get 40% of the delegates. However, you need to win at least 15% or you don't get any delegates at all.

In the Republican party, each state can decide how its delegates are allocated. Some split them up, some are "winner take all." Some have a threshold, some don't.

Details here.

Kansas got screwed in 2004. No primary so all our delegates went to Lurch.

347 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:41:19pm

re #329

i'm new here and not up on all the rules, sorry, won't happen again

348 So?  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:41:24pm
349 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:41:32pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout I think that, despite our rhetoric, they think we had something to do with Bhutto's death and with the Red Mosque because we are supporting Mushareef, even if we say otherwise.
That or they saw what we did to Afghanistan and are scared shit we'll do the same (after all, wunderkind Obama said so himself!).

350 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:41:39pm

re: #312 FrogMarch

My sentiments exactly.

If I were Empress of the Universe, we'd all vote for him.

351 canadianally  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:41:50pm

From my perspective no one candidate is able to win the whole base of the Republican Party. It is almost as if this time the VEEP is 100% mission critical to get the numbers. Maybe Guiliani/Romney or Guiliani/Huckabee? This really is one of the most confusing elections ever. It doesn't help that everyone ignores Hunter and Thompson got 1% tonight.

352 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:41:54pm

re: #338 Dianna

re: #269 Rodan

Rodan, I'm really sorry, but every single thing you type is on exactly the same line. You're a conspiracist. You have a problem, and you should go look into getting some help.

Methinks Rodan wants a candidate to make the black helicopters run on time. Damned things are always late!

353 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:42:14pm

re: #340 medaura18586

The problem is that so many independents voted for her and the other Dems. More NH voters voted Democrat rather than going to the Republicans. Independents weren't swayed enough to stay away from Hillary.

354 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:42:37pm

Rudy can defeat Hillary and Romney most likely could too.

355 big L  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:42:43pm

Dennis Miller had a great rant on Hillary, yesterday. He had her buying her clothes out of the ad on the back cover of Parade Magazine and Hil becoming a Turtle on her back waitin' for someone to tip her over ...
205 -Prairie Wind- exactly right that is the donk and Hil-bil specialty. Hustling and pimping the msm to suck all the oxygen out of the news day.
what might happen is that in aug or Sept if she is nominee, Bill will have a Health crisis and the Gop candidate will be totally muzzled. You can see the bogus tear-effect right here in NH.
Can't you just hear her, 'Oh they are so mean to me what with Bill in the Hospital..." And later in Nov he makes a spontaneous recovery.

356 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:42:45pm

re: #300 Rodan

You are off your head. Have another look at McCain and tell me he's not a stooge. If you do, I will forever dismiss every word you type.

357 freedomplow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:42:46pm

re: #126 witness

I don't believe this was in spite of conventional wisdom.

I believe the networks just want ratings (especially with the writers strike) and falsely pumped his chances.

No. With Obama winning Iowa, the media believed that voters were choosing an anti-war anti-Bush candidate.

The MSM have been pushing an anti-war message for years and they thought they had their man.

Did you notice Obama's crowd reaction when he brought up 9/11 and the war on terror?

The room went considerably quiet.

358 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:43:25pm

re: #335 FrogMarch


I will agree with you on this:
the Bush/Clinton axis needs to end.

I remember when Bush and Gore were campaigning. Gore would support some limited whaling of non-endangered whale species, and some environmentalists in his base (really animal rights advocates) screamed merry hell and said they were voting for W. instead.

At that time I thought "wouldn't it be amusing if Bush won because of this".

Now I'm thinking "wouldn't it be amusing if we'd have an unbroken run of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton" in the White House?

If the "this amuses me" predictor works, you can now prepare for 4 years of President Hillary. (To keep the symmetry of 4 years of G.H.W. Bush)

359 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:43:45pm

re: #332 hillary clinton

Didn't I look sincere!

I didn't realize "sincere" was in your vocabulary. Just goes to show you learn something every day.

360 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:44:26pm

re: #316 really grumpy big dog Johnson ROTFLMAO! NO - not during a Presidential election year; then it's like watching "Survivor" every damn night!

361 canadianally  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:44:39pm

re: #354 Hard Right

Rudy can defeat Hillary and Romney most likely could too.


Yes, but can Rudy also get a sizable number of evangelicals to vote for him?

362 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:44:49pm

ANY
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REPUBLICAN REPUBLICAN REPUBLICAN REPUBLICAN REPUBLICAN!
'cept Ron Paul

PTTCP

363 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:44:49pm

re: #344 LadyK

Something is right *&^#ed up here.


___
I believe you are most likely correct; however, it doesn't disturb me because it's a New Hampshire primary . . . a blue state . . . let them cheat their own constituents . . . hopefully the Republican poll watchers will be alert when it really counts.

364 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:45:05pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Our friends in Pakistan...
'US bigger threat than Al Qaeda'

Not surprising, in light of Osama bin Laden's favorability ratings, as of 2004

Pakistan: 65% favorable, 9% unfavorable
Jordan: 55% favorable, 39% unfavorable
Morocco: 45% favorable, 42% unfavorable

There are groups of people who are collectively more despicable than the Pakistanis, but there aren't many. I, um, hope that the 9% who disapprove of bin Laden are the ones who have the keys to the nukes.

365 RyJ Maduro  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:45:20pm

Every day I pray to Jesus that Hillary wins the Democratic nomination. No way in hell she'll win in the general election. Not to mention the fact that while the prospect of Clinton in office is very distasteful, Obama scares the Shiite out of me.

366 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:45:52pm

I am happy Hillary won. Because:

1) She is... sad to say... the least worst choice among the Dem candidates (e.g., acts like much more of a grownup regarding Iraq than the others do... RELATIVELY speaking, I hasten to add); and

2) She will probably be easier to beat than Obama for the likely Republican candidates.

367 pat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:46:02pm

Where does Hillary live? Turkey? Not America. She must be from somewhere else.

368 Opilio  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:46:26pm

Dem - 261 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 87%

39% Clinton
37% Obama

Hasn't been that close all night.

369 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:46:42pm

re: #361 canadianally

re: #354 Hard Right


Rudy can defeat Hillary and Romney most likely could too.

Yes, but can Rudy also get a sizable number of evangelicals to vote for him?

I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure they carry the clout they used to, or if they ever did.

370 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:46:48pm

If it's Rudy vs hildabeast, the fidelity issue won't be an issue.

371 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:03pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

re: #324 Orde
Believe whatever you want. I won't stop you.


Whoa, our relationship is "evolving," you didn't call me stupid.

372 telecasterman  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:17pm

re: #50 wee fury

Another MSM ploy.
Yesterday -- Hillary would lose big time. Her campaign is suffering. Not a chance to win NH.
Today -- All those who support her go out to vote in droves.
A ploy.

Yes. Exactly. Only had to hear about two seconds of Laney Davis on Sean Hannity's show and I knew. A deliberate Hillary/MSM gaming of everyone's expectations.

I feel ill.

373 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:25pm

re: #364 Last Mohican

Not surprising, in light of Osama bin Laden's favorability ratings, as of 2004

Pakistan: 65% favorable, 9% unfavorable
Jordan: 55% favorable, 39% unfavorable
Morocco: 45% favorable, 42% unfavorable

Oh, but that's just a tiny minority majority of extremists.

374 coloradobuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:31pm

No matter who wins on the Democrat side, the thought of any one of them becoming President is rather depressing:

Obama: Full of platitudes. He apparently has to keep it that way, because he shows his lack of reasoning skills every time he mentions something concrete, such as visiting all of our enemies personally, or invading Pakistan.

Clinton: Socialism in the extreme. ("I'd take those [oil company] profits...") However, she cares more about herself than anyone else.

Edwards: Seems to be a combination of the worst qualities of the other two, with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. ("Two Americas," for example.)

My goodness. How simply dreadful.

As to which one is more beatable in the general election, maybe I should be rooting for Edwards.

375 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:40pm

re: #172 solergic

I cannot stand the Clintons. They should both be in the Federal pen, not running for office. I don't understand how anyone can support them. There are Democrats out there that did not steal and kill to get to the top. The Clintons are the reason that so many people I know, including me, now vote republican. I have never voted for a Clinton and never will.

Yep! Clinton was the reason I became a Republican. With the likes of Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, and Pelosi running the Democrats, I'll continue to remain a Republican. (Not that anyone out there really cares.)

376 samjohnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:47pm

So far, the pundits have been utterly wrong in their assessments. I too, assumed that Hillary was done, that Iowa was the beginning of a tidal wave for Obama. Perhaps Rudy's strategy will work after all; let his opponents bloody each other and then come in fresh and ready to rumble in Fla. I'm suspicious now of the predictions about momentum. It seems politics is like baseball in that there's little momentum from one primary to another. Rudy's the man.

377 10thivi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:47:55pm

Obama wins Iowa.

Hillary wins New Hampshire.

Two punch-drunk fighters swinging at each other in the dark.

Dare we hope that, like the Germans and Russians in the 1940's, they'll now declare total war against each other?

Hell, if we're lucky they'll both lose.

378 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:48:10pm

re: #324 Orde "But Giuliani's effort here has been Herculean. Romney held 176 events in New Hampshire through Tuesday, primary day, while Giuliani held 126. That's considerably more than McCain, who held 104, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who held 93." [emphasis, realwest] but that entire quote comes from ABC. And slipping in that little word Herculean makes it sound like Rudy's dead meat - he made a Herculean attempt in New Hampshire and only got 9 or 10% of the vote.

379 canadianally  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:48:11pm

re: #366 Occasional Reader

I am happy Hillary won. Because:

1) She is... sad to say... the least worst choice among the Dem candidates (e.g., acts like much more of a grownup regarding Iraq than the others do... RELATIVELY speaking, I hasten to add); and

2) She will probably be easier to beat than Obama for the likely Republican candidates.

---

I agree. And I do find that Odinga-Obama connection more than a little troubling. And at least Hillary realizes that a precipitous withdrawal of American troops from Iraq would be an unmitigated disaster and lead to a wider war in the Middle East.

380 hillary clinton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:49:38pm

1-20-2009 I will be pulling LGF's Internet permit. Enjoy Tick Tock

381 pat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:49:42pm

The Economist just declared Pakistan the most dangerous country on earth. And it is clear that the more you know these cultists, the less likable they are. Primitive savages. Really evil people. The largest source of non-Latino illegals in America and Canada. They come here to kill their daughters and poison their sons.

382 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:49:49pm

re: #328 Killer Tomato

re: #318 Killian Bundy


re: #274 gearhead

Looks like Hillary's crocodile tears worked.

If people voted for her because of that, we're in real trouble as an electorate.
/we don't need a President who cries

If the President wants to go home, crawl into bed and bawl like a baby, I don't care. But not in public!
And I didn't buy that little bit of theater for a minute anyway.

You should have seen Bill's tears - the thought of not having a whole new crop of interns to "mentor."

383 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:50:00pm

re: #285 M. Bensson-Levi

Concur with the inadvisability of his touring pali-held areas. Pamela had a "WTF?" post up about it, as well. If anything happens to POTUS, I hope someone has the balls to level Nablus or Gaza City. If anything happens to the kid, I'll take care of that myself.

384 canadianally  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:50:09pm

re: #378 realwest

re: #324 Orde "But Giuliani's effort here has been Herculean. Romney held 176 events in New Hampshire through Tuesday, primary day, while Giuliani held 126. That's considerably more than McCain, who held 104, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who held 93." [emphasis, realwest] but that entire quote comes from ABC. And slipping in that little word Herculean makes it sound like Rudy's dead meat - he made a Herculean attempt in New Hampshire and only got 9 or 10% of the vote.


And here I was under the impression that Rudy was holding back in Iowa and New Hampshire. This is getting scary. What type of a choice is Hillary or MccCain? Rush, anyone?

385 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:50:51pm

it would be just too funny if they called it wrong and Obama came back to win, i can only hope (insert evil laughter here)

386 rednaxela  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:51:04pm

Re: Rudy

This was a very good night for Rudy. Everyone's been reminded that at the end of the day, its still going to be Hillary on the Democrat side and Rudy is the only one who can beat her.

Just my 0.02¢

387 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:51:12pm

re: #380 hillary clinton

1-20-2009 I will be pulling LGF's Internet permit. Enjoy Tick Tock

I recant! I was never really with these running dog counter-revolutionaries. Put me on the witness stand at the Show Trial -- I'll name names! I'll tell all!

388 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:51:15pm
389 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:51:18pm

re: #356 Dianna

re: #300 Rodan

You are off your head. Have another look at McCain and tell me he's not a stooge. If you do, I will forever dismiss every word you type.

___
McCain ! Arghhh !
I thank him for his military service . . BUT:
-he voted against Bush's tax cuts
-is against waterboarding
-was for amnesty, and tried to ram the immigration thing down our throats, siding with Teddy Chappaquidick
-too much the compromising politician

- McCain is not a conservative !

I would vote for him rather than any Dem for POTUS, but would be feeling ill and depressed upon leaving the polling place
/were it ever to be . . .

390 Orde  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:51:24pm

re: #332 hillary clinton

Didn't I look sincere!

Hey, my Mom get an email today asking if Obama was a Muslim, did your people send that?

391 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:51:40pm

re: #370 newsjunkie_ky

If it's Rudy vs hildabeast, the fidelity issue won't be an issue.

Actually, it could be a huge issue. Because Rudy is perceived as the cheater, and Hillary the cheated upon. If she pulls one little crying episode on TV, and says something like "things haven't always been easy in my life, or in my marriage," Rudy's screwed. Unless either (1) he manages to convince everyone that he's not really an adulterer, or (2) Hill and her hot Muslim girlfriend get outed before November.

392 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:52:33pm

re: #375 AZDave

re: #172 solergic


I cannot stand the Clintons. They should both be in the Federal pen, not running for office. I don't understand how anyone can support them. There are Democrats out there that did not steal and kill to get to the top. The Clintons are the reason that so many people I know, including me, now vote republican. I have never voted for a Clinton and never will.

Yep! Clinton was the reason I became a Republican. With the likes of Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, and Pelosi running the Democrats, I'll continue to remain a Republican. (Not that anyone out there really cares.)

I agree with you completely. But so many people in the middle seem to be impressed enough with the likes of Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, and the Clintons to be siding with the Democrats.

393 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:52:40pm

re: #367 pat

Where does Hillary live? Turkey? Not America. She must be from somewhere else.

She's from Remulak, a small town in France.

394 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:52:59pm

re: #389 Le_Patriot

re: #356 Dianna


re: #300 Rodan

You are off your head. Have another look at McCain and tell me he's not a stooge. If you do, I will forever dismiss every word you type.


___
McCain ! Arghhh !
I thank him for his military service . . BUT:
-he voted against Bush's tax cuts
-is against waterboarding
-was for amnesty, and tried to ram the immigration thing down our throats, siding with Teddy Chappaquidick
-too much the compromising politician

- McCain is not a conservative !

I would vote for him rather than any Dem for POTUS, but would be feeling ill and depressed upon leaving the polling place
/were it ever to be . . .

Some here refuse to see that. McCain is not a Conservative. He is a hero, but has been in office far too long and become something awful.

395 jcm  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:02pm

re: #387 Occasional Reader

re: #380 hillary clinton

1-20-2009 I will be pulling LGF's Internet permit. Enjoy Tick Tock

I recant! I was never really with these running dog counter-revolutionaries. Put me on the witness stand at the Show Trial -- I'll name names! I'll tell all!

Quisling! She'll never find the off-shore distributed multi-node server system.

396 Racer X  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:02pm

re: #348 So?

Musical Interlude

I have no comment for that.

397 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:24pm

re: #344 LadyK Diebold! Clinton's workers screwed around with the voting machines.
Oh wait, I'm sorry, only Republicans do that.
Nevermind.

398 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:35pm

Yes, but can Rudy also get a sizable number of evangelicals to vote for him?
I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure they carry the clout they used to, or if they ever did.

There are still a fair number of them - enough to matter. Those I have quizzed pretty much agree that they will vote for Rudy if nned be to defeat Hillary. Personally, I think observant Roman Catholics will prove to be a much more crucial voting block this time - particularly in the Mid-West. I don't count Rudy as a Catholic since he doesn't adhere to the teachings of the Church, so they won't vote for him on that account. But observant Catholics aren't going to vote for Hillary, IMHO.

399 docweasel  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:45pm

geez, I hate being right all the time. I didn't think I'd be proven right so quickly, however. When everyone else was writing Hillary obituaries, I was saying she'll be back, and in fact she'll win. Now she's in better shape than ever.

See my last 2 days posts for proof I'm a political prognosticator of the highest prog.

400 DistantThunder  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:45pm

The reality is - and every man knows this - tears work. They don't work for men crying, but for women, obviously a different standard.

Who knew?

401 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:53:45pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Well, even if only 9% of the Pakistanis don't want to incinerate every last one of us, they're still our "steadfast allies in the war on terrorism," right?

402 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:54:08pm

re: #391 Last Mohican

Hill and her hot Muslim girlfriend get outed before November.

Please, please, let the video footage show much more Hot Muslim Girlfriend than Hillary... maybe 99%/1%, something along those lines.


(actually, I don't believe in, or care much about, the "Hillary is a lesbian" rumors)

403 tripster  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:54:21pm

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

404 DistantThunder  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:54:57pm

re: #381 pat

The Economist just declared Pakistan the most dangerous country on earth. And it is clear that the more you know these cultists, the less likable they are. Primitive savages. Really evil people. The largest source of non-Latino illegals in America and Canada. They come here to kill their daughters and poison their sons.

Pakistan and India in a nuclear war - it could really happen.

(Watching Chrissy Matthews in orgasmic ecstacy...ewww.)

405 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:55:07pm

re: #393 MacDuff

re: #367 pat

Where does Hillary live? Turkey? Not America. She must be from somewhere else.

She's from Remulak, a small town in France.

___-
Everybody wants to kick her cone

406 LEGION  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:55:10pm

Two pct. pts- big deal- they got the same amount of delegates- 8-and Osama Obama with his other win still has more right now. She was up by double digits. Either one will lose to whomever wins the Republican primary. Who cares about the demo-rats.

407 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:55:56pm

re: #188 LadyK

re: #63 LadyK I want to know what the *&^# just happened.

There is nothing I put past these people, and these returns demand a closer look.

A much closer look.

___
a) announcements all day that they're running out of Democrat ballots
b) Hillary wins

/do the math

Seriously, something is very, very awry here. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about some shenanigans. I'm telling you, this is too screwy to be legit.

Shenanigans, what shenanigans? A lot of dead Democrats wanted to vote.

408 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:56:04pm

re: #387 Occasional Reader

It didn't help Radek.

409 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:56:17pm

Vote for me from Empress of the Universe. I don't have a platform. I have guarantees.

*None of this getting up at the crack of dawn to get to work UNLESS that suits your preferences.

*Paid sick leave for two weeks. (I guarantee you that this will cut down on the incidences of communicable diseases such as rhinoviruses.)

*Tail-gaters will be found quickly, and will be punished appropriately.

410 freedomplow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:56:26pm

Rove is giving advise to someone.

411 sk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:56:30pm

re: #50 wee fury

I guess the MSM includes the Weekly Standard? The online version was already writing epitaphs for our Hillary.

Anyway, as one of the few lizards to say that the misty eyes were probably a net positive, I'll take a bow now.

412 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:56:38pm

All this primary says to me is that lilly-white liberals want to keep the black man down.

Lefty hates black people!

413 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:57:09pm

re: #408 Dianna

re: #387 Occasional Reader

It didn't help Radek.

I'm currently reading Conquest's The Great Terror -- could you tell?!

414 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:57:17pm

re: #199 Last Mohican

Doesn't help that much of popular culture coverage on Wikipedia is deteriorating due to an over-zealous view on copyright, so you're lucky if you even find a tiny image of the characters of a TV show in the article. What's interesting about it is that the policies haven't changed, it's just that some administrators choose to "interpret" them way differently than they were meant to, and get away with it. Reminds me of the "living constitution".

415 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:57:19pm

re: #407 AZDave

re: #188 LadyK


re: #63 LadyK I want to know what the *&^# just happened.
There is nothing I put past these people, and these returns demand a closer look.

A much closer look.

___
a) announcements all day that they're running out of Democrat ballots
b) Hillary wins

/do the math


Seriously, something is very, very awry here. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about some shenanigans. I'm telling you, this is too screwy to be legit.

Shenanigans, what shenanigans? A lot of dead Democrats wanted to vote.

Awww, come on. We know that only Republicans can commit voting fraud.
Sarc/

416 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:57:45pm

re: #403 tripster

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

___
My bet would be on Steven Segal against Norris in a bar brawl.

417 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:57:50pm

Sorry, I was unclear - I was responding to #369 Hard Right

418 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:57:59pm

re: #398 allahtoyou

I think the critical voting block, if hillary should get the nomination, will be women. She doesn't have a lock on them, and in fact, many just don't like her. She can't count on them like I'm sure she is.

419 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:58:00pm

re: #363 Le_Patriot

RP's minions are complaining about vote fraud. Isn't that ironically hilarious?

420 stuck-in-ca  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:58:07pm

re: #274 gearhead

Looks like Hillary's crocodile tears worked.
"Conventional widsom" after only one primary is anything but.

.

with old lefty women in New Hampshire. That's not exactly a national mandate. Do you think that the rest of the nation will be thrilled about her willingness to give driver's licenses to illegals? That's not going to play well.

421 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:58:07pm

re: #391 Last Mohican
But she 'ain't no little tammy stand by your man wynette.'
just don't see it.

422 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:58:09pm

re: #361 canadianally "Yes, but can Rudy also get a sizable number of evangelicals to vote for him?" Change that to the Relgious Right and it becomes the $64,000 question. And I fear an awful lot of them will stay home if it's not Huckabee.
Hope I'm wrong.

423 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:58:20pm

re: #398 allahtoyou

They showed their strength in Iowa last week.

If it's Rudy versus Hillary, some will hold their noses and vote, and some will just stay home. If it's Rudy vs. Hillary vs. a 3rd party/independent, they'll run to Door #3.

424 solomonpanting  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:59:14pm

re: #400 DistantThunder

The reality is - and every man knows this - tears work. They don't work for men crying, but for women, obviously a different standard.

Who knew?

Uh, every man?

:E

425 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:59:16pm

Late here. Later, all.

426 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 8:59:30pm

Since every state has its own election rules and laws, every single person sitting at their keyboards right now should start tomorrow morning - call, email, write, fax, your local officials and tell them point blank that you have HAD IT with voter fraud.

I have NO DOUBT there was a good amount of that up here today - and the lax laws allow it.

I can't walk into a liquor store and buy a bottle of wine, walk into a grocery store and buy a pack of cigarettes, or walk into a bank and cash a check without showing a photo ID.

I do not want to hear one iota about racism, sexism, the poor being disenfranchised - you mean to tell me these people never buy liquor, cigarettes or cash checks?

THE ONLY reason not to require an ID is to deprive me of my birthright as an American citizen, to devalue what my ancestors fought and died for, and to allow for voter fraud.

I can just see the headlines: "New rules require ID when voting! Illegal aliens and dead voters hardest hit."

Sorry - didn't mean to preach...

427 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:00:03pm

I do know this - I am saving my money to contribute to the GOP for the election. Whether it be Rudy, McCain or Romney, I need to give them all the resources I can if only to stop the Demoncraps from taking the White House.

428 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:00:20pm

re: #422 realwest

re: #361 canadianally "Yes, but can Rudy also get a sizable number of evangelicals to vote for him?" Change that to the Relgious Right and it becomes the $64,000 question. And I fear an awful lot of them will stay home if it's not Huckabee.
Hope I'm wrong.

I think that's another advantage Candidate Hillary would give our side; her high negatives would motivate the Religious Right to get out and vote against her, even if it meant holding their nose and voting for Rudy.

Anyway, it's bedtime for this Bonzo. Night, all.

429 rednaxela  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:00:23pm

#422 realwest

Unless Huckabee is on the VP ticket.

430 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:00:24pm

re: #424 solomonpanting

re: #400 DistantThunder


The reality is - and every man knows this - tears work. They don't work for men crying, but for women, obviously a different standard.

Who knew?


Uh, every man?

:E

I must be a cols SOB because depending on the reason, it doesn't necessarily work on me.

431 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:01:22pm

What? I need a blimp?

How about a squirrel?

432 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:01:29pm

re: #419 Isobutyrate

re: #363 Le_Patriot

RP's minions are complaining about vote fraud. Isn't that ironically hilarious?

___
HA HA HA HA
That is a good one

433 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:01:30pm

re: #426 Killer Tomato

Since every state has its own election rules and laws, every single person sitting at their keyboards right now should start tomorrow morning - call, email, write, fax, your local officials and tell them point blank that you have HAD IT with voter fraud.

I have NO DOUBT there was a good amount of that up here today - and the lax laws allow it.

I can't walk into a liquor store and buy a bottle of wine, walk into a grocery store and buy a pack of cigarettes, or walk into a bank and cash a check without showing a photo ID.

I do not want to hear one iota about racism, sexism, the poor being disenfranchised - you mean to tell me these people never buy liquor, cigarettes or cash checks?

THE ONLY reason not to require an ID is to deprive me of my birthright as an American citizen, to devalue what my ancestors fought and died for, and to allow for voter fraud.

I can just see the headlines: "New rules require ID when voting! Illegal aliens and dead voters hardest hit."

Sorry - didn't mean to preach...

Preach away. You're damn right!

434 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:01:45pm

re: #413 Occasional Reader

Yes.

Try Adam Ulam's Stalin, too. It's excellent on the Terror and the Show Trials.

435 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:00pm
436 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:00pm

re: #398 allahtoyou

I think the evangelical vote is over estimated. Last I checked they made up about 20% of voters and they split about 70%/30% (Rep to Dem). I seriously doubt those numbers will change significantly no matter who's running. Catholics generally split 50-50, that won't change either.

437 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:07pm

re: #419 Isobutyrate

re: #363 Le_Patriot

RP's minions are complaining about vote fraud. Isn't that ironically hilarious?


It IS hilarious. But it is also completely predictable behaviour. I'm slightly relieved that they aren't plain starting riots.
Tiny, hardly noticable riots. Like shooting at road signs from their porch.

438 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:11pm

Lefty just wants free stuff.

Hillary is offering free stuff.

439 tripster  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:21pm

re: #416 Le_Patriot

re: #403 tripster

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

___
My bet would be on Steven Segal against Norris in a bar brawl.

Steven was wicked cool in beating the bad guys in Under Siege. My only problem is how goofy he looks when he runs. It's a little effeminate for my tastes.

440 solomonpanting  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:23pm

re: #430 Hard Right

re: #424 solomonpanting


re: #400 DistantThunder

The reality is - and every man knows this - tears work. They don't work for men crying, but for women, obviously a different standard.
Who knew?

Uh, every man?
:E

I must be a cols SOB because depending on the reason, it doesn't necessarily work on me.


Me neither, but I hope this doesn't land me in the SOB catagory.

441 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:26pm

re: #205 PrairieWind

By a hair, I think Hillary would be easier to deal with than Obama.

Notice that even at many conservative blogs, like this one, the major topic is Hillary-Obama ... for the most part, the GOP candidates can go pound sand. If this is how it will be in the general election -- Democrats sucking all the oxygen out of the media AND the blogosophere -- we're screwed. Royally screwed.

Now what we have to fear is the worst of all possible outcomes -- a Hillary-Obama ticket. Picture Hillary and Obama on the stage holding hands in glorious reconciliation, flanked by Oprah and the Old Guard, and the media dutifully on its knees delivering loving busses to one and all.

The Vampire and the Mummy.

Thanks for that graphic description...I just threw-up.

442 American Soldier  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:39pm

re: #409 MandyManners

Vote for me from Empress of the Universe.


Only if I can be Consort.
G'night.

443 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:02:58pm

This is bad news. Now Hillary won't have to put the white house silverware up on ebay to continue financing her campaign.

444 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:03:08pm

re: #435 song_and_dance_man

So Ron Raul barely eeked out a win over the write ins.

snickers

And to support their fantasy that a majority of people support him they scream voter fraud.

445 stuck-in-ca  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:03:24pm

re: #293 freedomplow

The MSM look like idiots again.

why should today be different than every other day?

446 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:03:34pm

re: #436 Killgore Trout

re: #398 allahtoyou

I think the evangelical vote is over estimated. Last I checked they made up about 20% of voters and they split about 70%/30% (Rep to Dem). I seriously doubt those numbers will change significantly no matter who's running. Catholics generally split 50-50, that won't change either.

God loves Killgore Trout

447 Egfrow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:03:36pm

re: #202 solomonpanting

LOL!

448 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:03:41pm
449 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:04:16pm

re: #206 dahveed

re: #189 DesertSage

Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.

Ear-plugs for the next eight years!

450 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:04:36pm

re: #437 MagnaniomousCoward
Perhaps the mini riots are happening, and we just haven't noticed, you say? The reason I say I'm relieved is that if they were rioting, they would have announced it before-hand on a meetup site, facebook or World of Warcraft forum or something.

451 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:04:38pm
452 jcm  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:04:56pm
453 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:05:18pm
454 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:05:36pm

re: #446 DesertSage

I pray he'd knock it off.

455 blackpajamas  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:05:40pm

re: #400 DistantThunder

The reality is - and every man knows this - tears work. They don't work for men crying, but for women, obviously a different standard.

Who knew?

If the tear jerking didn't happen, we might have seen them hire a person of non-light hue to mug Hillary during a stump speech.

456 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:05:51pm

re: #439 tripster

re: #416 Le_Patriot

re: #403 tripster

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

___
My bet would be on Steven Segal against Norris in a bar brawl.

Steven was wicked cool in beating the bad guys in Under Siege. My only problem is how goofy he looks when he runs. It's a little effeminate for my tastes.


___
LOL . . He does run like a wuss, but don't tell him that.

457 tripster  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:07pm

re: #431 MandyManners

What? I need a blimp?

How about a squirrel?

Very nice.

You could use this one to assist in your quest.

Farting Squirrel Saves The World!

458 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:12pm

re: #449 AZDave

re: #206 dahveed


re: #189 DesertSage

Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.


Ear-plugs for the next eight years!
459 tokyobk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:18pm

Le_Patriot

First of all, Chuck Norris wrote those anti- Chuck Norris jokes himself just to know what it is like to feel the pain of ridicule like humans do.

Second of all, and on a totally serious note, I saw Stephen Segal come out of the Westin Hotel in Tokyo with his entourage of monks and he looks like death barely warmed over. Any reasonably fit male under 40 could kick his ass.

Chuck Norris could knock him out with his stare.

460 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:25pm

re: #208 NoSpam

re: #174 DesertSage

B. Hussein: If you don't vote for me you're a rascist!
Hildemort: If you don't vote for me you're a sexist!

*NoSpam's head explodes*

You forgot: Edwards -- If you don't vote for me I'll sue you!

461 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:28pm

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

re: #444 Hard Right


And to support their fantasy that a majority of people support him they scream voter fraud.

To them the whole world is rigged.

They're just mad that it isn't rigged in their favor.

462 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:41pm

re: #446 DesertSage

re: #436 Killgore Trout


re: #398 allahtoyou

I think the evangelical vote is over estimated. Last I checked they made up about 20% of voters and they split about 70%/30% (Rep to Dem). I seriously doubt those numbers will change significantly no matter who's running. Catholics generally split 50-50, that won't change either.


God loves Killgore Trout

Yes, I do

463 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:42pm

re: #448 Rodan

Then vote for a freaking socialist, because all of the above contradict the defeat the Islamist criteria, particularly economic security, can co-exist only in your dreams.

464 dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:06:46pm

re: #458 dahveed

re: #449 AZDave


re: #206 dahveed

re: #189 DesertSage
Fingers on a chalkboard is like a symphony compared to listening to her. My spine is killing me listening to her speak.

Ear-plugs for the next eight years!

Oyy! Don't say that!

465 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

re: #444 Hard Right

And to support their fantasy that a majority of people support him they scream voter fraud.

To them the whole world is rigged.

___
/ wait . . . you mean it's not?

466 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:07:11pm

re: #416 Le_Patriot Hmmm - Chuck Norris was, for a four year stretch of time, the middleweight, full contact Karate Champion here in the US. I'd put about a million quataloos on Norris over "fast hands" Segal.

467 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:07:16pm

re: #383 American Soldier

re: #285 M. Bensson-Levi

Concur with the inadvisability of his touring pali-held areas. Pamela had a "WTF?" post up about it, as well. If anything happens to POTUS, I hope someone has the balls to level Nablus or Gaza City FOR STARTERS! If anything happens to the kid, I'll take care of that myself.

G-d forbid! Bite your tongue! (didn't you have a Babba Somebody?!?!) :-)

Gotta crash,

NYTOL

BTW, part of that buck seventy-five I dropped on toys, was for an M-7. Nearly dropped over when I read your note.

468 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:07:39pm

she thought she lost.
that's how little confidence she has in her b.s. idea.
she cries, she flails, she moans.
she's not a leader.

469 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:07:52pm

re: #439 tripster
Steven was wicked cool in beating the bad guys in Under Siege. My only problem is how goofy he looks when he runs. It's a little effeminate for my tastes.

When Steven Seagal runs, he does it in the most deadly fashion possible. He does not care about appearances, because anyone who sees him run are either fighting with him or will be dead soon anyway.

Except Chuck Norris. If Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal got in a fight, their fight might create a second universe.

470 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:07:55pm
471 sk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:08:18pm

Please notice that Obama's dubious early history as a Muslim (though not a devout one) has not even hit the consciousness of the Dems. Now, I think the time is ripe for a black prez, but not for a Muslim one. This is the elephant in the living room that Hillary is hoping someone else will point out if she really does start tanking. Note that even if Hussein Obama never was a Muslim, it remains a plausible lie, and all that's necessary is that "Hussein" be publicized. At minimum, it will hike the republican turnout.

I think Obama is much more beatable than Clinton for this reason. I also think that Bill is a much more effective campaigner than Obama can get.

Hillary has plenty of negatives, but how many are from people who will be voting republican anyway? I'd like to think that people are smart enough to see through both Hillary and Obama, but if they were, they'd already be voting Rudy.

472 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:08:37pm

re: #460 AZDave

Yeah- poor Silky Pony- no one's even talking about him. His hair is so pretty though, I wonder if he could pull out a victory by crying too.

473 Aviator  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:08:46pm

re: #409 MandyManners

*Tail-gaters will be found quickly, and will be punished appropriately.

What do you have against football fans?

474 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:09:05pm

re: #420 stuck-in-ca

I hope you're right. I'm just not willing to count her out until SHE says she's out.

475 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:09:12pm

re: #466 realwest

re: #416 Le_Patriot Hmmm - Chuck Norris was, for a four year stretch of time, the middleweight, full contact Karate Champion here in the US. I'd put about a million quataloos on Norris over "fast hands" Segal.

Despite being a liar, bully, and nutjob,Segal really is a martial arts expert. If he's let himself go who knows who would win.

I hear Chuck can breath fire tho.

476 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:09:45pm

re: #423 Gearhead

re: #398 allahtoyou

They showed their strength in Iowa last week.

If it's Rudy versus Hillary, some will hold their noses and vote, and some will just stay home. If it's Rudy vs. Hillary vs. a 3rd party/independent, they'll run to Door #3.

It's the "staying home" part that always pises me off. They want the Republicans to stand with them through thick and thin, but they won't stand with the Republicans in the same manner.

This isn't "their" party, it has to be a coalition and they need to understand that. If they don't, they could elect Hillary by default.

Like I said, it pisses me off.

477 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:10:13pm

re: #438 DesertSage

Lefty just wants free stuff.

Hillary is offering free stuff.

and we're asked to pay the bill. i resent that.

478 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:10:28pm

Just popped in to note: I am currently bitch-slapping both Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal with my left hand, while typing this with my right. Wait... now I'm forcing their heads together, and making them kiss. C'mon boys! Kiss like ya mean it! Damn, that's funny.

Okay, good night all.

479 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:10:41pm
480 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:11:24pm

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

re: #444 Hard Right


And to support their fantasy that a majority of people support him they scream voter fraud.

To them the whole world is rigged.

They could be right...

New Hampshire allows same-day registration at the polls, has no minimum residency period and defines a voter's home as the place where he or she sleeps most nights or intends to return after a temporary absence. The state, not the parties, runs the primary, and changes to residency laws have been hotly contested.
This year, New Hampshire Democrats pushed through a change that some Republicans contend would enable campaigns to bus in people who could cast a ballot and then vote again in their real home states. "You can vote in New Hampshire without being a resident," said Republican state Sen. Bob Clegg. "You can vote in the primary because you someday may want to live here."
Democratic state Sen. Peter Burling calls such arguments "part of the campaign of fear to restrict people's right to vote."New Hampshire's deputy secretary of State, David Scanlan, admits the law is ambiguous about prohibiting people from voting in more than one state. "Everybody has the right to vote somewhere," he said. "The question is where."


USA Today

481 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:12:38pm

re: #476 MacDuff

re: #423 Gearhead


re: #398 allahtoyou

They showed their strength in Iowa last week.

If it's Rudy versus Hillary, some will hold their noses and vote, and some will just stay home. If it's Rudy vs. Hillary vs. a 3rd party/independent, they'll run to Door #3.


It's the "staying home" part that always pises me off. They want the Republicans to stand with them through thick and thin, but they won't stand with the Republicans in the same manner.

This isn't "their" party, it has to be a coalition and they need to understand that. If they don't, they could elect Hillary by default.

Like I said, it pisses me off.

It's the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum and just as mature.

482 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:12:44pm

Brittney "kidnapped" by a muslim!


I woulden't make this up.

483 DesertSage  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:12:51pm

It's a conspiracy by white racist liberals to keep the black man down!

484 JoggerNot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:12:59pm

re: #380 hillary clinton

1-20-2009 I will be pulling LGF's Internet permit. Enjoy Tick Tock


And as we wind on down the road.. our shadows taller than our soul.. there walks a lady we all know.. who shines white light and wants to show. her tune will come to you, at last..etc..to be a rock..? does it make you roll...?

485 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:13:19pm

re: #471 sk
Obama wasn't raised Muslim.

If he's ever spoken the statements of faith (La Illaha Illah Allah etc.), then the Islamists might be going after him as an "apostate", but they'd be going after the US president anyaway, so I don't think that will be an issue at all.

486 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:13:41pm

re: #459 tokyobk

Le_Patriot

First of all, Chuck Norris wrote those anti- Chuck Norris jokes himself just to know what it is like to feel the pain of ridicule like humans do.

Second of all, and on a totally serious note, I saw Stephen Segal come out of the Westin Hotel in Tokyo with his entourage of monks and he looks like death barely warmed over. Any reasonably fit male under 40 could kick his ass.

Chuck Norris could knock him out with his stare.

___
Well, yeah, I don't doubt it . . now, Segal is about 57 years old, and somewhat over the hill . . . in his prime, he was an aikido instructor (black belt) in Japan, and supposedly was one bad dude back then.

My original post was meant to be humor.

487 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:14:05pm

re: #439 tripster

re: #416 Le_Patriot

re: #403 tripster

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

___
My bet would be on Steven Segal against Norris in a bar brawl.

Steven was wicked cool in beating the bad guys in Under Siege. My only problem is how goofy he looks when he runs. It's a little effeminate for my tastes.

he runs like an up ended hot dog.. it is not good.

488 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:14:19pm

re: #485 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #471 sk
Obama wasn't raised Muslim.

If he's ever spoken the statements of faith (La Illaha Illah Allah etc.), then the Islamists might be going after him as an "apostate", but they'd be going after the US president anyaway, so I don't think that will be an issue at all.

I saw some Islamofacist posting where they did call him an apostate. I just call him a leftist.

489 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:14:33pm

re: #480 Killer Tomato

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

re: #444 Hard Right


And to support their fantasy that a majority of people support him they scream voter fraud.


To them the whole world is rigged.

They could be right...


If that was true, wouldn't Paulistas be the first to be all over that? Who dropped the ball on this one?

490 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:14:53pm

re: #436 Killgore Trout

If Hillary in the Dim nominee, fundamentalists and observant Catholics will be faced with an issue they've never encountered: a female attempting to assume supreme governmental authority. That's forbidden in their theology. I'd be surprised if it didn't swing quite a few over to the Repub side. Anecdotally, I've heard quite a few comments along these lines from people who previously were quite content to vote Dim. A female prez might be a deal-breaker. Just a thought. The fastest growing Christian denominations are those that reject the idea of women in leadership roles. We can hope, can't we?

491 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:14:58pm
492 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:15:48pm

re: #483 DesertSage

It's a conspiracy by white racist liberals to keep the black man down!

I always knew that The Man was a liberal!

493 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:15:54pm
494 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:16:08pm

re: #476 MacDuff

Me too, frankly.

I'm somewhere between a Methodist and an evangelical (that either covers a lot of ground, or a little, depending on your perspective) and I'm willing to vote for Rudy in spite of some disagreements.

The truth is, the evangelicals are their own voting bloc and just happen to vote with the GOP most ofthe time.

495 AZDave  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:16:13pm

re: #293 freedomplow

The MSM look like idiots again.

When did they stop looking like idiots? I guess I blinked.

496 hillary clinton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:16:14pm

re: #395 jcm

re: #387 Occasional Reader

re: #380 hillary clinton

1-20-2009 I will be pulling LGF's Internet permit. Enjoy Tick Tock

I recant! I was never really with these running dog counter-revolutionaries. Put me on the witness stand at the Show Trial -- I'll name names! I'll tell all!

Quisling! She'll never find the off-shore distributed

:) Both

497 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:16:37pm

re #481

i beg to differ, it's not about throwing a tantrum, it's about doing whatever it takes to get the GOP back on the right track, if they lose enough seats they will be forced to listen to and respect the wishes of the base.

498 freedomplow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:17:02pm

What has been learned from watching MSM the past 72 hours...

Obama was the new Dem (and world) hero.
Everyone will love us again.
Hillary cried.

Estimate...
80% of all MSM coverage has been focused on Obama
10% of all MSM coverage has been focused on Hillary.
5% of all MSM coverage has been focused on Republicans.
4% of all MSM coverage has been focused on weather.
1% everything else.

499 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:17:43pm

re: #486 Le_Patriot

Also, when they were filming that movie set on the jet, Segal tore his back up. I don't think he's ever really recovered.

500 konservo  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:18:15pm
re: #232 M. Bensson-Levi

Now both those shitferbrains have taken a hit! Both have been weakened, and as they continue to smear, and undermine each other, they will lose respect, and appeal in the eyes of the general electorate. Good.

True.

The mud-slinging will get them both dirty.

501 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:18:55pm

re: #486 Le_Patriot

re: #459 tokyobk


Le_Patriot

First of all, Chuck Norris wrote those anti- Chuck Norris jokes himself just to know what it is like to feel the pain of ridicule like humans do.

Second of all, and on a totally serious note, I saw Stephen Segal come out of the Westin Hotel in Tokyo with his entourage of monks and he looks like death barely warmed over. Any reasonably fit male under 40 could kick his ass.

Chuck Norris could knock him out with his stare.


___
Well, yeah, I don't doubt it . . now, Segal is about 57 years old, and somewhat over the hill . . . in his prime, he was an aikido instructor (black belt) in Japan, and supposedly was one bad dude back then.

My original post was meant to be humor.

I took it as such. Really tho, if you've watched his movies he's self parodying, but not intentionally

502 rednaxela  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:19:47pm

McCain's victory speech was appalling, no vigor, no passion, just read from his script. Not that it will have much of an impact but this sort of delivery will not stand him in good stead in November, if he gets there.

503 canadianally  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:19:55pm

re: #471 sk

Hillary has plenty of negatives, but how many are from people who will be voting republican anyway? I'd like to think that people are smart enough to see through both Hillary and Obama, but if they were, they'd already be voting Rudy.

Yes, but Rudy didn't do so well tonight despite trying.

504 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:20:39pm

re: #497 shoey

No, the Democrats are in power, and pass laws and appropriate money we don't want them to. Without listening to us.

505 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:21:11pm
506 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:21:34pm

re: #499 Dianna

re: #486 Le_Patriot

Also, when they were filming that movie set on the jet, Segal tore his back up. I don't think he's ever really recovered.

The one with David Suchet as the terrorist leader?

I wondrered why he had such a limited role.

Suchet rocks as Poirot!

507 tokyobk  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:21:56pm

Le_Patriot

I gotcha and I laughted. Me too. Except the part about Segal looking suprisingly old. He seriously did.

Segal speaks Japanese with a thick Osaka accent. It is quite interesting and I have no doubt he could fight at one time.

Rgds

508 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:22:15pm

re: #475 Hard Right I've been hearing about what a terffic martial arts expert Segal is ...mostly from him. I'm not gonna hold his movies against him (in the movies even I could look like a Martial Arts Master, LOL!) but as I said, Chuck Norris was THE middleweight FULL CONTACT KARATE champion of the US for four straight years.
Watch Segal - he uses his hands rapid fire forever and can take hits like from a baseball bat and jump right up, and beat the shit out of a dozen guys. Nah, I'll take the proven, Champion Marital Arts Master Norris over "I'm a Legend in my own mind" Segal.

509 rappmandu  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:22:27pm

I studied Tang Soo Do at Chuck Norris's studio on Hawthorne Blvd. in Torrance when I was a kid.

But I never attended high school with Brandon Lee.

/TMI

510 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:22:50pm
If Hillary in the Dim nominee, fundamentalists and observant Catholics will be faced with an issue they've never encountered: a female attempting to assume supreme governmental authority. That's forbidden in their theology.

I'm an observant Catholic, and I can't speak for fundamentalists, but I think you might be a little confused. The Catholic Church is just fine with a female "attempting to assume supreme governmental authority."

The issue for Catholics in a Hillary vs. Rudy race is dealing with the fact that both are pro-choice.

511 wee fury  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:23:15pm

re: #490 allahtoyou

If Hillary in the Dim nominee, fundamentalists and observant Catholics will be faced with an issue they've never encountered: a female attempting to assume supreme governmental authority. That's forbidden in their theology. I'd be surprised if it didn't swing quite a few over to the Repub side. Anecdotally, I've heard quite a few comments along these lines from people who previously were quite content to vote Dim. A female prez might be a deal-breaker. Just a thought. The fastest growing Christian denominations are those that reject the idea of women in leadership roles. We can hope, can't we?


What?

512 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:23:44pm
New Hampshire allows same-day registration at the polls, has no minimum residency period and defines a voter's home as the place where he or she sleeps most nights or intends to return after a temporary absence. The state, not the parties, runs the primary, and changes to residency laws have been hotly contested.

It's like a liquor store with a "We DON'T Card!" sign on the door.

I wouldn't be surprised if the nubmer of votes cast exceeds the state's population.

513 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:23:46pm

re #504

i agree, but the repubs are not going to take back congress until they start listening to the people who pull the lever for them.

514 MacDuff  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:23:54pm

re: #502 rednaxela

McCain's victory speech was appalling, no vigor, no passion, just read from his script. Not that it will have much of an impact but this sort of delivery will not stand him in good stead in November, if he gets there.

I'm afraid that either Hillary or Obama may well be capable of doing what the North Vietnamese were unable to do...kick his ass.

515 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:24:10pm

re: #506 MandyManners

I think so. Not certain, though.

516 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:25:28pm

ADDENDUM to my #508 - Steven Segal (according to the Discovery Channel, anyway, owns the largest collection of extremely valuable guitars in the World. No lie, saw them myself. Don't know how well he plays, though.
And the #2 owner of the most valuable collection of guitars is Steven Stills.
He plays guitar VERY well.

517 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:25:37pm

re: #505 song_and_dance_man

re: #489 Isobutyrate

re: #480 Killer Tomato

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

re: #444 Hard Right


And to support their fantasy that a majority of people support him they scream voter fraud.


To them the whole world is rigged.

They could be right...


If that was true, wouldn't Paulistas be the first to be all over that? Who dropped the ball on this one?

They may have been 'all over that' and is reflected in their poor showing that was a few steps out of the basement. Soon they will acquire the acumen to have cats and dead people vote. By then they should get Nader like numbers.

. . . and therefore just enough to throw the republican's chances into disarray. Always thought RP was getting paid by the dems to throw the election, but the nazi connection was outed too soon.

/sarc (I think . . . )

518 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:25:49pm

re: #474 Gearhead

re: #420 stuck-in-ca

I hope you're right. I'm just not willing to count her out until SHE says she's out.

alot of lefties around the country will buy her bull. But what about independents? Alot of them went to McCain in NH. So let's hope they are yet smarter around the nation and go for a better Republican candidate.

519 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:26:07pm

re: #507 tokyobk

Le_Patriot

I gotcha and I laughted. Me too. Except the part about Segal looking suprisingly old. He seriously did.

Segal speaks Japanese with a thick Osaka accent. It is quite interesting and I have no doubt he could fight at one time.

Rgds

well i don't think he can fight now. he drifted away from the essence of his craft when he went hollywood. plus he's fat and slow now.. (that's the way it goes)

520 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:27:12pm

re: #493 song_and_dance_man

Yeah, he is.
And yeah, this is a mess.
I've lived here long enough (and we've been overrun so fast) that I can remember going to vote and it was like old home week or something - Mayberry goes to vote.
Today I didn't recognize anyone - and I saw at least a dozen cars in the lot with Massachusetts license plates.

521 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:27:30pm
522 Syrah  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:28:01pm

re: #270 Shug

I'm kind of upset they didn't show the Kucinich and ron paul concession speeches.

/

Ron Paul will publish his concession in a newsletter, Kucinich will broadcast his to the stars.

523 jcm  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:28:08pm

re: #487 nyc redneck

re: #439 tripster

re: #416 Le_Patriot

re: #403 tripster

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

___
My bet would be on Steven Segal against Norris in a bar brawl.

Steven was wicked cool in beating the bad guys in Under Siege. My only problem is how goofy he looks when he runs. It's a little effeminate for my tastes.

he runs like an up ended hot dog.. it is not good.

My moneys on Clint Eastwood and his friends, Smith and Wesson.

524 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:28:10pm

re: #497 shoey

re #481

i beg to differ, it's not about throwing a tantrum, it's about doing whatever it takes to get the GOP back on the right track, if they lose enough seats they will be forced to listen to and respect the wishes of the base.

At the expense of the country. I'd rather not gamble with my country's welfare.
As someone said (better than I could), you refuse to vote for 75% of what you want and ensure you'll get 100% of what you don't.

525 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:28:54pm

re: #512 Gearhead

New Hampshire allows same-day registration at the polls, has no minimum residency period and defines a voter's home as the place where he or she sleeps most nights or intends to return after a temporary absence. The state, not the parties, runs the primary, and changes to residency laws have been hotly contested.

It's like a liquor store with a "We DON'T Card!" sign on the door.

I wouldn't be surprised if the nubmer of votes cast exceeds the state's population.

I was predicting 104% voter turnout.

526 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:29:03pm

re: #518 Stuck-in-CA

True dat!

527 rednaxela  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:29:30pm

#514 MacDuff

Agree.

The other thing about this election is that no non-executive has been elected to the presidency since 1960. So given that the Dems are going to nominate a legislator, ie Senator, it should be abundantly clear for Republicans to nominate an executive, ie Governor or Mayor.

528 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:29:52pm
I was predicting 104% voter turnout.

And they're all out to get... RONPAUL!

529 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:31:00pm
530 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:31:15pm

re: #523 jcm

ROFL! Yeah, me too! Didja ever watch Walker, Texas Ranger? Chuck's facing down five bad guys, all armed with firearms (though still holstered) and does he whip out his 1911 Colt .45 and shoot their asses? Nope he just beats the crap out of 'em martial arts style. LOL
BTW, Jeff Foxworthy once said "You might be a redneck if an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger changed your life!"

531 tripster  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:31:21pm

re: #507 tokyobk

Le_Patriot

I gotcha and I laughted. Me too. Except the part about Segal looking suprisingly old. He seriously did.

Segal speaks Japanese with a thick Osaka accent. It is quite interesting and I have no doubt he could fight at one time.

Rgds

I love Steven in this movie, though he has let himself go just a little bit.

Crouching Cops, Hidden Badges

532 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:31:25pm

re #524

this country has survived bad government time and time again.

533 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:31:40pm

re: #508 realwest

re: #475 Hard Right I've been hearing about what a terffic martial arts expert Segal is ...mostly from him. I'm not gonna hold his movies against him (in the movies even I could look like a Martial Arts Master, LOL!) but as I said, Chuck Norris was THE middleweight FULL CONTACT KARATE champion of the US for four straight years.
Watch Segal - he uses his hands rapid fire forever and can take hits like from a baseball bat and jump right up, and beat the shit out of a dozen guys. Nah, I'll take the proven, Champion Marital Arts Master Norris over "I'm a Legend in my own mind" Segal.

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't put money on Segal if he's fighting Chuck. Besides as I said earlier, I heard Chuck can breath fire. I can too, sorta. It's not really breathing per se...and I can only do it after eating cajun food.

534 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:31:57pm

re: #522 Syrah

re: #270 Shug


I'm kind of upset they didn't show the Kucinich and ron paul concession speeches.

/


Ron Paul will publish his concession in a newsletter, Kucinich will broadcast his to the stars on Al Jazeera.

/sorry. I know it's rude to correct...

535 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:32:38pm

re: #523 jcm

re: #487 nyc redneck

re: #439 tripster

re: #416 Le_Patriot

re: #403 tripster

The Chuckabee facts

Fact: Chuck Norris is such a bad actor that even Keanu Reeves flips the channel whenever he sees Chuck on TV.

Fact: Chuck Norris is so pathetic that Jack Bauer tracked and killed him in only 21 hours, then took a three-hour nap.

___
My bet would be on Steven Segal against Norris in a bar brawl.

Steven was wicked cool in beating the bad guys in Under Siege. My only problem is how goofy he looks when he runs. It's a little effeminate for my tastes.

he runs like an up ended hot dog.. it is not good.

My moneys on Clint Eastwood and his friends, Smith and Wesson.

hello.

536 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:32:44pm

re: #521 song_and_dance_man

re: #517 Isobutyrate

I think Paul is pulling the Libertarians and disgruntled lefties who probably vote Green or (D) anyway.

Probably 50/50 disgruntled far left anti-war hippies and far-right constitutionalist segregationists. Crazy isolationist zealots either way.

537 Devil's Advocate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:32:53pm

FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK CRYING WORKS.

538 Carridine  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:33:07pm

re: #499 Dianna

AND Steven Seagal has passed the place in his life where the keep-muscles-hard hormones are in abundance, SO his body has broadened, weighted up, thickened and slowed...

Not BAD, but natural for his mesomorph body-type, and NOT GOOD for starring in action flix, Dianna...

539 unclassifiable  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:33:17pm

re: #523 jcm

Gun Fu!

540 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:33:43pm

Powers Booth. re: #520 Killer Tomato

re: #493 song_and_dance_man

Yeah, he is.
And yeah, this is a mess.
I've lived here long enough (and we've been overrun so fast) that I can remember going to vote and it was like old home week or something - Mayberry goes to vote.
Today I didn't recognize anyone - and I saw at least a dozen cars in the lot with Massachusetts license plates.

I wish you had taken photographs.

541 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:33:45pm
542 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:35:16pm

re: #523 jcm

My moneys on Clint Eastwood and his friends, Smith and Wesson.


___
OK, you send Clint, & Smith, & Wesson, to meet me HERE


/if this keeps up, we're headed for a penis thread.

543 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:35:52pm
544 jcm  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:35:59pm

re: #530 realwest

I've seen a couple, enjoyed them immensely. Kinda like a Clive Cussler / Dirk Pitt novel, lots of fun and action, completely implausible.

545 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:36:05pm

re: #538 Carridine

I don't see movies much, anymore, Karridine.

How've you been? I think I've missed seeing you lately.

546 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:36:05pm

re: #532 shoey

re #524

this country has survived bad government time and time again.

I'm sure Rome did too, for a while.
This country has been significantly weakend by the termites we call Dems. And as has been stated, a Dem victory would give them 2 SCOTUS picks. A SC dominated by leftists would be a catastrophe-or have you liked what we were getting until a few more Conservatives were added?
If you want to jump off a bridge, feel free. Just don't drag me with you.

547 shoey  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:36:05pm

good everyone, god bless..

i hope i didn't upset anyone, i truly believe what i say as most here do, and i don't want to push away anyone who i agree with way more than i disagree with..

548 realwest  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:36:25pm

Well it's been fun y'all but I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT NIGHT and that I get to see you down the road.

549 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:37:17pm

Re # 490

The Apostle Paul gave explicit instructions that women were not to hold leadership positions within the church or government - I believe his formulation was something like "women are not to be in positions of authority over men".

People who take Paul's teachings very seriously might find voting for woman in a Presidential election distasteful. I'm not suggesting this is a universally-held view within Christianity - just that there are substantial segments which do. Since those congregations which do hold these views are the fasting-growing denominations, we might ponder whether this factor will play into the election should Hillary win her party's nomination...just a thought.

550 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:37:20pm

re: #531 tripster

Oh hey. It's the Norwegian TV channel Metro. I remember that one.

551 jcm  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:37:44pm

re: #542 Le_Patriot

re: #523 jcm

My moneys on Clint Eastwood and his friends, Smith and Wesson.


___
OK, you send Clint, & Smith, & Wesson, to meet me HERE


/if this keeps up, we're headed for a penis thread.

You're on. A pianist thread.

552 pat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:37:58pm

I think Hillary now thinks she lives in the far end of the Edwards home. She is sounding a lot like him. She sure ain't from my town.

553 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:38:17pm

re: #541 Rodan

The polls overall prove that 55% of everyone are complete idiots.

Free trade actually works, and economic security is an illusion, a nostalgic fantasy of the golden age.

Get a grip.

554 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:38:30pm

re: #547 shoey

good everyone, god bless..

i hope i didn't upset anyone, i truly believe what i say as most here do, and i don't want to push away anyone who i agree with way more than i disagree with..

I just feel strongly that staying away is a horrible, awful, and hideous idea at this time.

555 Syrah  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:38:45pm

re: #534 Gearhead

When it comes to Kucinich, all corrections are acceptable. Since he has nothing to do with reality, reality need have nothing to do with him.

556 pat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:39:10pm

There are some excellent links up above. Try a few. Give the researchers credit.

557 Le_Patriot  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:40:15pm

re: #551 jcm

re: #542 Le_Patriot

re: #523 jcm

My moneys on Clint Eastwood and his friends, Smith and Wesson.


___
OK, you send Clint, & Smith, & Wesson, to meet me HERE


/if this keeps up, we're headed for a penis thread.

You're on. A pianist thread.

___
ROTFLMAO
That is hilarious

558 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:40:18pm

re: #511 wee fury

Sorry, my 549 was meant as my reply allahtoyou

Re # 490

The Apostle Paul gave explicit instructions that women were not to hold leadership positions within the church or government - I believe his formulation was something like "women are not to be in positions of authority over men".

People who take Paul's teachings very seriously might find voting for woman in a Presidential election distasteful. I'm not suggesting this is a universally-held view within Christianity - just that there are substantial segments which do. Since those congregations which do hold these views are the fasting-growing denominations, we might ponder whether this factor will play into the election should Hillary win her party's nomination...just a thought.

559 Gearhead  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:40:27pm

re: #555 Syrah

Well said.

560 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:40:35pm
561 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:40:42pm

re: #549 allahtoyou

Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

562 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:42:12pm
563 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:42:15pm

re: #543 song_and_dance_man
It's 'American Idol for 1600 PA Ave.'

So far 91% of the precincts are reporting.
249,479 'D' votes
218,139 'R' votes
467,618 total
U.S. Census Bureau's 2006 population estimate is 1,314,895
I'm not seeing record numbers here.

And yeah Mandy, I wish I'd taken pics too.

564 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:43:11pm

re: #560 Rodan

re: #546 Hard Right

The Problem is the Republican leadership doesn't listen to the base's economic concern.
They only discuss Free Trade, Globalization and Taxuts which doesn't benefit Republican voters.
I only vote Republican because I'm Pro-Gun, believe in preserving the Judeo-Christian culture of the nation and I'm anti-Islamist.
The Republican economic program is tsuck in the 80's.
It's the 2000's things change.

I don't disagree, and feel we need some new blood. Maybe it's just me, but staying out of the process doesn't seem to be the way to go.

565 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:44:02pm

re: #560 Rodan

Tax cuts don't benefit the Republican base?

Really? Since when don't tax cuts help anyone? Or maybe you haven't noticed that your tax burden hasn't risen for a few years?

I know I have, and I am a very long way from rich.

566 freedomplow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:45:08pm

OT: Not work safe... Photos involved.

Benazir Bhutto's Killer Is Identified

567 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:45:09pm
568 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:45:19pm

re: #533 Hard Right

re: #508 realwest

re: #475 Hard Right I've been hearing about what a terffic martial arts expert Segal is ...mostly from him. I'm not gonna hold his movies against him (in the movies even I could look like a Martial Arts Master, LOL!) but as I said, Chuck Norris was THE middleweight FULL CONTACT KARATE champion of the US for four straight years.
Watch Segal - he uses his hands rapid fire forever and can take hits like from a baseball bat and jump right up, and beat the shit out of a dozen guys. Nah, I'll take the proven, Champion Marital Arts Master Norris over "I'm a Legend in my own mind" Segal.

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't put money on Segal if he's fighting Chuck. Besides as I said earlier, I heard Chuck can breath fire. I can too, sorta. It's not really breathing per se...and I can only do it after eating cajun food.

real west, there's no way segal can take chuck norris down for the count. that will not happen , ever. segall is a phony low talent person w/ little skills. norris is a powerful strong, expert. he's got what it takes. ooops watch out for that round house. segal is on the mat.

569 Carridine  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:45:26pm

re: #545 Dianna

Ma'am, thank you, Ma'am... I'm enjoying some teaching and online publication... family's fine, sons are well, inlaws healthy (but old) and my wife loves me and is hugely proud of our sons...

and you?

/"Me? I don't care for your sons at all-
oh, you mean..."

570 Racer X  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:45:53pm

Little known facts about Chuck Norris

571 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:46:28pm
572 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:46:32pm

re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou

Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You'fre a fucking idiot.

573 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:46:41pm
The Apostle Paul gave explicit instructions that women were not to hold leadership positions within the church or government - I believe his formulation was something like "women are not to be in positions of authority over men".

Then the Apostle Paul is going to have some very serious issues with all the Catholic womens' colleges out there which boast political science departments and DC internship programs. The Catholic Church might not want to make the clergy co-ed, but it sure doesn't have an issue with a priest being a woman's constituent.

574 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:46:47pm

re: #562 song_and_dance_man

re: #536 Isobutyrate

Probably 50/50 disgruntled far left anti-war hippies and far-right constitutionalist segregationists. Crazy isolationist zealots either way.

I haven't meet many 'constitutionalist segregationists', but if these are the people that want to attempt to return to the days of America 180 years ago, then they are truly delusional. If it took that long to get where we are now, then it will take as long to get back to where they are comfortable with American government and I don't think they will last that long much less even past this current political season.

It won't take too long to go back 180 years if we pull back our forces from the world and set ourselves back to the gold standard. It's very selfish thinking, and it doesn't work. We can't grow if we don't have friends to trade with.

575 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:47:09pm

re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou

Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.


You and I can debate whether we think Paul meant "authority in church" or just authority in general - but what matters is what voters from those denominations think he meant. And I've heard many say that they think it means authority in general. This isn't an issue much discussed in secular circles, but it might be a sleeper issue. Whatever dooms Hillary is fine by me.

576 Promethea  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #285 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #220 American Soldier


re: #161 M. Bensson-Levi
re: #97 American Soldier

Say Hey,

Almost missed ya. Haven't run into you lately.

How's the kid doin'?

OK, thanks. Was in the States for a few weeks' leave, now back in the shit. President Bush's tour is gonna take him through the kid's AO- hope it stays quiet.
Me too. I am so pissed that Bush is risking the lives of so many, and the life of the POTUS, on what is essentially an empty grandstanding gesture of deference to the Saudis!

Ch'ob im in drert!

I don't know what you said, but it sounds terrible, and I agree with you that it's pissable that Bush is risking his life and that of others for a stupid grandstanding gesture. Someone is not thinking things through.

We should be dissing the Saudis and telling the Palis that we'll let them starve if they don't become civilized ASAP.

577 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:48:03pm

re: #567 Rodan

Change is a constant; global trade is part of that change. If you can't cope with that, then vote for some socialist who panders to you. But don't pretend that you're really in favor of freedom. There is no variety of freedom that does not involve economic freedom. Unfortunately, that also includes the freedom to fail, or screw up, or just not keep up.

Sorry.

578 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:48:05pm
579 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:48:39pm

re: #539 unclassifiable

re: #523 jcm

Gun Fu!

Isn't the proper term "gun kata"?

580 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:49:47pm
581 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:49:55pm

re: #567 Rodan

Free markets and capitalism are the ONLY solution. Protectionism has never worked in the past and will not work in the future. Indians are willing to study harder, work harder and cheaper. The

real

problem is we've become fat, stupid and lazy. It's a mistake to expect our elected officials to repair us or prop us up. If we can't compete now how do you expect the government to help us? Government is not the problem nor the solution to our problems.

582 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:49:55pm

re: #572 MandyManners

re: #561 Isobutyrate


re: #549 allahtoyou

Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.


You'fre a fucking idiot.

Mandy, I'm not an idiot. I wasn't suggesting this is my view. I was taking note of a certain line of thinking that I do not share...but that might work to the advantage of the Republican Party. My interpretation of Paul is not the issue. I was merely presenting a view that I have encountered frequently. I don't share it, but it does exist. I think your comment was uncalled for in any event.

583 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:49:56pm

re: #569 Carridine

It's been a weird few months. My dad died in November, and everything's been a mad scramble since.

584 Live4Truth  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:50:03pm
The Emotion Factor

Yep, Democrats vote with the emotions, not their brains. Hillary gave lots of emotions, so she gets lots of votes.

585 zombie  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:51:05pm

All polls are fraudulent.

The Iowa Caucuses represent the views of about 800 out-of-touch people.

The New Hampshire primaries are meaningless because anyone can vote for any party, and the majority of votes may in fact be intentionally deceptive backhanded crossover votes.

The media is just trying to stir up interest in events that in reality have little significance.

/There. I've had my say.

586 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:51:23pm

re: #575 allahtoyou

re: #561 Isobutyrate


re: #549 allahtoyou

Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.


You and I can debate whether we think Paul meant "authority in church" or just authority in general - but what matters is what voters from those denominations think he meant. And I've heard many say that they think it means authority in general. This isn't an issue much discussed in secular circles, but it might be a sleeper issue. Whatever dooms Hillary is fine by me.

I've heard that Saudi Arabia is looking for new citizens.

APPLY.

587 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:51:29pm

What's with all the Christian sexism?

588 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:52:18pm

re: #585 zombie

Preach.

589 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:52:30pm

re: #579 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #539 unclassifiable


re: #523 jcm

Gun Fu!


Isn't the proper term "gun kata"?

Equilibrium?

590 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:53:36pm
591 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:53:42pm

re: #578 Rodan

You cannot think.

Look, a marginal tax cut means nothing to the very rich. It can't. The people actually benefited by tax cuts are the very people you claim to care about - the middle class. The poor are also benefited, but less so, because they don't pay that much tax to begin with.

You, sir, are an idiot.

592 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:54:58pm

re: #582 allahtoyou

re: #572 MandyManners


re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You'fre a fucking idiot.

Mandy, I'm not an idiot. I wasn't suggesting this is my view. I was taking note of a certain line of thinking that I do not share...but that might work to the advantage of the Republican Party. My interpretation of Paul is not the issue. I was merely presenting a view that I have encountered frequently. I don't share it, but it does exist. I think your comment was uncalled for in any event.

Think whatever you want. It's your right.

593 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:55:29pm

re: #586 MandyManners

re: #575 allahtoyou


re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You and I can debate whether we think Paul meant "authority in church" or just authority in general - but what matters is what voters from those denominations think he meant. And I've heard many say that they think it means authority in general. This isn't an issue much discussed in secular circles, but it might be a sleeper issue. Whatever dooms Hillary is fine by me.

I've heard that Saudi Arabia is looking for new citizens.

APPLY.

Mandy, once again, I appeal to you to moderate your hostility towards what was purely an academic observation. I am not propounding my personal views. I am reporting upon a phenomenon I have encountered. I see no reason for you to engage in invective of this type. It's not "mannerly".

594 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:55:31pm

re: #590 Rodan

Wow, you're pretty nutty. Good luck with that.

595 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:55:41pm

re: #581 Killgore Trout

He's not listening. He's a "populist" who likes to believe in global conspiracies keeping him down.

596 Syrah  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:56:01pm

re: #585 zombie

All polls are fraudulent.

The Iowa Caucuses represent the views of about 800 out-of-touch people.

The New Hampshire primaries are meaningless because anyone can vote for any party, and the majority of votes may in fact be intentionally deceptive backhanded crossover votes.

The media is just trying to stir up interest in events that in reality have little significance.

/There. I've had my say.

I wonder how all of these political polls are dealing with the fact that an ever increasing number of people, particularly young people, no longer have land line phones and now have only cell phones.

If they are not calling cellphones, those overnight polls aren't worth spit.

597 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:56:48pm
598 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:57:24pm
599 rappmandu  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:57:30pm
600 LeePro  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:57:43pm

In all my 44 years of primaries, conventions, nominations and elections, I cannot remember EVER seeing such hoopla and media blitz as this... for a primary! it makes me sick to my stomach.

And another thing...
re: #426 Killer Tomato

You are absolutely right! Speaking of voting rules and regulations, anybody remember this little tidbit about New Hampshire's voting rules?
Same story here.

Anyone know if this story has been debunked?

601 Racer X  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:58:04pm

Testy in here (again) tonight.

Fuel to the fire.

602 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:58:18pm

re: #572 MandyManners

"You'fre a ... idiot."

Am I? Some people take this seriously. I maybe should have said Evangelical Christian. And I was making the point of separation of church and state.

There probably aren't enough to make a difference who take a hardline stance of the Bible's text in this issue. There are various sects that battle about this very thing - women in clergy positions. Some take it to civil government. But I thought it was an interesting statement by allahtoyou, and I am aware of the issue.

603 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 9:59:46pm
604 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:00:02pm
605 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:00:17pm

re: #596 Syrah

re: #585 zombie


All polls are fraudulent.

The Iowa Caucuses represent the views of about 800 out-of-touch people.

The New Hampshire primaries are meaningless because anyone can vote for any party, and the majority of votes may in fact be intentionally deceptive backhanded crossover votes.

The media is just trying to stir up interest in events that in reality have little significance.

/There. I've had my say.


I wonder how all of these political polls are dealing with the fact that an ever increasing number of people, particularly young people, no longer have land line phones and now have only cell phones.

If they are not calling cellphones, those overnight polls aren't worth spit.

They're everywhere.
Saturday night my land line rang and it was a poll paid for by the Clinton campaign. While I was on the phone, volunteers for Obama showed up at my door. I got stopped at the mall, and answered the AP exit poll this morning.

606 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:00:26pm

re: #598 Rodan

I repeat, you're an idiot; if not subscribing to a load of self-excusing hooey and nostalgic fantasy means I'm out of touch, then I accept that with joy.

607 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:00:52pm
608 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:01:15pm

re: #595 Dianna

Huh, I haven't encountered this one before. It sure is worked up. Is it a Paulian?

re: #597 song_and_dance_man

Good point, godless misogynists have no business criticizing Christian sexists.
/stone throwing in glass houses, etc...

609 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:01:30pm

re: #602 Isobutyrate

You are a fucking idiot.

610 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:01:36pm

re: #598 Rodan

The Capital Gains Taxcuts only benefits investor

Ya know, I was enjoying the back and forth till I read this. Pure claptrap. I respond with another talking point, this one true: It is those that stand to gain from the capital gains tax cuts that provide the employment in this economy.

611 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:02:18pm
612 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:02:18pm

An interesting observation from the ABC news site:

Here's the problem. The polls accurately predicted to within 1% error EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE EXCEPT OBAMA/CLINTON. If you look at the pre-vote polls for ALL other candidates, they match up exactly. I mean exactly. Then, it is as if the Clinton/Obama results are reversed. They're both off by 5+% each. The statistical odds of this happening by chance must be astronomically small. This should cause a serious investigation into potential vote fraud. You must be able to explain this discrepancy and rule out fraud. Otherwise, fraud must be the prime suspect if we hope to have fair elections in the future!

613 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:02:51pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

I have begun to suspect it of being a moby. Note the "I've been effected by globalization (boo-hoo, waaah)" bit.

614 Panhandler  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:03:11pm

re: #609 MandyManners

Careful Mandy, you're almost to your quota for the day - don't want to waste them.

615 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:03:32pm

" I've heard that Saudi Arabia is looking for new citizens.
APPLY.
re: #592 MandyManners


re: #572 MandyManners

<
Think whatever you want. It's your right.

Well, thank you for your permission to think as I wish. I was under the impression I had been deported to Saudi Arabia. For the last time, my comments were NOT a statement of my opinion. I was trying to inform others of a cultural issue that might work to the advantage of Republicans. I am not an adherent of either of the groups I mentioned. Sorry I touched a nerve.

616 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:03:34pm
617 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:03:36pm

re: #610 Stonemason

Thanks.

Now, can I call Rodan an idiot? Can I get a second? An amen?

618 Last Mohican  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:04:22pm

re: #422 realwest

re: #361 canadianally "Yes, but can Rudy also get a sizable number of evangelicals to vote for him?" Change that to the Relgious Right and it becomes the $64,000 question. And I fear an awful lot of them will stay home if it's not Huckabee.
Hope I'm wrong.

According to the exit poll that I saw, half of people who voted in the 2008 Iowa Republican caucus identified themselves as evangelicals or born-again Christians. In 2004, Bush won Iowa only barely, by a margin of 10,059 votes. If you assume that half of the 2004 Iowa Republican voters were evangelical/born-again, then a mere 2.7% of the Iowa evangelicals/born-agains deciding not to show up and vote would have resulted in a Kerry victory in Iowa. If you take away the Nader votes and give them to Kerry, then a mere 1.1% no-show rate among evangelicals/born-agains would have given Kerry the state.

I suspect that the percentage of evangelicals/born-agains who are so turned off by McCain or Guiliani that they don't vote would be small, but substantially bigger than 2.7% or 1.1% On the other hand, if it takes Huckabee to turn out the Religious Right, then the whole thing becomes a waste of time, because Huckabee loses the general election in a landslide to any nominee the Democrat will come up with, whereas McCain and Giuliani would seem, at this point, to be the only Republicans who have a chance in the general election.

619 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:04:54pm

re: #611 Rodan

You're not the base. The base is not conspiracy minded, and it doesn't whine.

620 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:07pm

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT took a couple hours longer than usual:

I'm starting to wonder if what we're seeing is the same type of thing we've seen in past elections-- electronic voting fraud-- which clearly helped Bush in the past two elections-- could it be that the Republicans WANT Hillary to get the nomination and are desperate enough to make it happen?

Awfully coincidental...

621 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:13pm

re: #616 Rodan

No, I mean by putting more money in the pockets of those that invest in the company I work for. Simple as that.

622 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:25pm

re: #600 LeePro

LeePro

I posted about this further up. Far as I know, it's true.

623 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:30pm

re: #614 Panhandler

re: #609 MandyManners

Careful Mandy, you're almost to your quota for the day - don't want to waste them.

LOL!

624 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:40pm

re: #582 allahtoyou

re: #572 MandyManners


re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You'fre a fucking idiot.

Mandy, I'm not an idiot. I wasn't suggesting this is my view. I was taking note of a certain line of thinking that I do not share...but that might work to the advantage of the Republican Party. My interpretation of Paul is not the issue. I was merely presenting a view that I have encountered frequently. I don't share it, but it does exist. I think your comment was uncalled for in any event.

You're not making any sense. Democrats who do worship at a Christian denomination tend to go to more liberal churches who don't see scripture as being as literal as the more conservative branches of Christianity. More Republician voters who have some sort of fiath, will be found in churches who see scripture as being more literal and binding.

So, I don't see how your point helps Hillary get LESS votes, at least in reference to religious beliefs.

?

Walter in Golden, Co.

625 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:44pm

re: #615 allahtoyou

Ditto here.

626 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:05:58pm
627 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:06:30pm

re: #597 song_and_dance_man

re: #587 Killgore Trout


What's with all the Christian sexism?

You got a fish hat. Shouldn't it have flowers also to be gender compliant.

Friends, you don't read very well for bright people. I've reiterated several times that I was not expressing or promoting my own personal views. I thought you might be interested in this strange cultural quirk that exists in some groups - a quirk that might work to our advantage. I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.

628 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:07:08pm

re: #593 allahtoyou

re: #586 MandyManners

re: #575 allahtoyou


re: #561 Isobutyrate


re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.


You and I can debate whether we think Paul meant "authority in church" or just authority in general - but what matters is what voters from those denominations think he meant. And I've heard many say that they think it means authority in general. This isn't an issue much discussed in secular circles, but it might be a sleeper issue. Whatever dooms Hillary is fine by me.


I've heard that Saudi Arabia is looking for new citizens. APPLY.

Mandy, once again, I appeal to you to moderate your hostility towards what was purely an academic observation. I am not propounding my personal views. I am reporting upon a phenomenon I have encountered. I see no reason for you to engage in invective of this type. It's not "mannerly".

fuck you. i can vote for a woman who sees thru the b/s. you support.

629 Syrah  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:07:17pm

re: #605 Killer Tomato


They're everywhere.
Saturday night my land line rang and it was a poll paid for by the Clinton campaign. While I was on the phone, volunteers for Obama showed up at my door. I got stopped at the mall, and answered the AP exit poll this morning.

That is interesting. Did the Clinton campaign poll tell you that it was paid for by the Clinton campaign before or after you completed it?

630 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:07:42pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

I agree.

631 rappmandu  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:07:50pm

re: #610 Stonemason

Nice Jerry Bear.

/hippy

632 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:08:16pm

re: #626 Rodan

Neither am I.

You, Rodan, have a problem. Your concerns are ridiculous, and you have exactly one point of congruence with sensible people that I can see.

633 Dianna  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:09:16pm

Dog walking and bed. I have a job - a point Rodan might think about.

634 uptight  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:09:43pm

Republicans need to wake up

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the way that Republican and Conservative pundits are rounding on Hillary Clinton.

Worse still, is the way they not only issue Obama a free pass, but speak of him in awed tones.

It makes me think that they are too close to the action to actually see it. They are missing the elephant in the room.

Yes I know how much they hate Hillary. I know the pleasure they'll get from seeing her (and the whole Clinton legacy) get kicked out on her ass, but I have two word to say to that: be patient.

If the possible defeat of Hillary only reason they speak admiringly of Obama, then they have to consider what would happen if Obama actually won the Democratic nomination.

The Democrats would go into the final race for the White House with a charming, charismatic very electable candidate who (and this is the elephant) is just marginally to to the right of Hugo Cavez.

Do we want to face the really strong possibility that an extreme lefty could get to be the next president?

There are two reasons why Republican commentators need to start rooting for Hillary and exposing Obama.

1) Hillary can be beaten by even the most dorkish Republican nominee

2) Even if she becomes president, she'll be more hawkish and less left wing than Obama.

If they can get beyond their hatred and think tactically for a moment, they can help install a Republican president (or at least avert America's lurching towards Socialism).

635 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:09:59pm

re: #627 allahtoyou

I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.


Would you like a crumpet with your tea?

636 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:11:13pm
637 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:11:39pm
638 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:11:43pm

re: #632 Dianna

re: #626 Rodan

Neither am I.

You, Rodan, have a problem. Your concerns are ridiculous, and you have exactly one point of congruence with sensible people that I can see.

dianna, you are not a moby. we all know that.

639 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:12:56pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

re: #582 allahtoyou


re: #572 MandyManners

re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You'fre a fucking idiot.

Mandy, I'm not an idiot. I wasn't suggesting this is my view. I was taking note of a certain line of thinking that I do not share...but that might work to the advantage of the Republican Party. My interpretation of Paul is not the issue. I was merely presenting a view that I have encountered frequently. I don't share it, but it does exist. I think your comment was uncalled for in any event.

You're not making any sense. Democrats who do worship at a Christian denomination tend to go to more liberal churches who don't see scripture as being as literal as the more conservative branches of Christianity. More Republician voters who have some sort of fiath, will be found in churches who see scripture as being more literal and binding.

So, I don't see how your point helps Hillary get LESS votes, at least in reference to religious beliefs.

?

Walter in Golden, Co.

Thank you, Walter, for at least asking for clarification in a reasonable tone. You are touching on my point precisely. What you observe is exactly what has happened in the past. My observation goes to a new situation: a woman runing as President. My suggestion about how certain groups feel about women in authority applies only to those groups who actually do take scripture seriously - fundamentalist Protestants and observant Catholics. My original statement was in response to the suggestion that "evangelicals" might stay home rather than vote for Rudy. My response was that there is a wild card present in this election. Certain groups might feel more strongly about voting against Hillary than they do about voting for anyone. I'm sorry I didn't communicate my original thought well enough to be understood.

640 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:13:03pm

re: #627 allahtoyou

re: #597 song_and_dance_man


re: #587 Killgore Trout

What's with all the Christian sexism?

You got a fish hat. Shouldn't it have flowers also to be gender compliant.

Friends, you don't read very well for bright people. I've reiterated several times that I was not expressing or promoting my own personal views. I thought you might be interested in this strange cultural quirk that exists in some groups - a quirk that might work to our advantage. I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.

PLEASE, name me a Christian denomination that attracts DEMOCRATS that would teach that woman have a place on the religious pecking order and should not be running for an office that would enable her to "lord" over men, and there for, even though they are DEMOCRATS, they should not vote for Hillary.

Where is this strange cultural quirk, name them, I want to stay away from that church.

I don't think YOU are thinking this out.

Walter in Golden, Co.

641 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:13:28pm
642 kayatribe  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:13:53pm

re: #471 sk

good lord, anyone who'll still be buying into the specious attempts to pass obama off as a muslim, with embarrassing* references to his middle name, is a hopeless case at the ballot box.

* embarrassing to the person pulling a "b. hussein obama" a la coulter.

643 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:13:54pm

re: #629 Syrah

re: #605 Killer Tomato



They're everywhere.
Saturday night my land line rang and it was a poll paid for by the Clinton campaign. While I was on the phone, volunteers for Obama showed up at my door. I got stopped at the mall, and answered the AP exit poll this morning.

That is interesting. Did the Clinton campaign poll tell you that it was paid for by the Clinton campaign before or after you completed it?

Every call I got or poll I answered (lots and lots and lots) told me at the end who paid for it. The first time I answered one (for Clinton), I didn't realize they'd tell me, so I asked before we finished.

644 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:14:01pm
645 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:14:16pm

re: #635 Killgore Trout

re: #627 allahtoyou

I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.


Would you like a crumpet with your tea?

enough abt. crumpets.

646 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:14:49pm

re: #626 Rodan

Sorry I'm not a Country-Club Republican

So exactly what is that? kinda like a limousine liberal? No, less than 5 years ago I supported a wife and three kids on less than 40 grand a year, now I make more than that, happily. I have capital gains I want to protect, gains on investments I made with after tax money. When I die, I would like my heirs to get my stuff, not the government.

The Job in India are answering phones, the jobs in China are making crap. The unemployment rate is 5 freakin' percent, which is, by most economic minds, as close to full employment an economy is going to get.

Stop tossing silly anecdotes out about friends that have lost jobs...the economy does not care about individuals.

647 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:15:08pm

re: #631 rappmandu

Thanks
/I think

648 Panhandler  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:15:13pm

The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at -any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life. - Theodore Roosevelt
Remember the Bull Moose Party?

649 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:16:32pm
650 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:17:10pm

re: #628 nyc redneck

re: #593 allahtoyou


re: #586 MandyManners

re: #575 allahtoyou

re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You and I can debate whether we think Paul meant "authority in church" or just authority in general - but what matters is what voters from those denominations think he meant. And I've heard many say that they think it means authority in general. This isn't an issue much discussed in secular circles, but it might be a sleeper issue. Whatever dooms Hillary is fine by me.

I've heard that Saudi Arabia is looking for new citizens. APPLY.

Mandy, once again, I appeal to you to moderate your hostility towards what was purely an academic observation. I am not propounding my personal views. I am reporting upon a phenomenon I have encountered. I see no reason for you to engage in invective of this type. It's not "mannerly".

fuck you. i can vote for a woman who sees thru the b/s. you support.

How on earth do you know what I support? I don't support interjecting gutter language into an academic conversation; I can't see how we defeat our enemies by trying to silence friends

651 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:17:22pm

re: #639 allahtoyou

re: #624 Walter L. Newton


re: #582 allahtoyou

re: #572 MandyManners

re: #561 Isobutyrate

re: #549 allahtoyou
Are you sure that's church and government, or just church government? It makes a difference. Christians are told to support their leaders, as they are appointed by God, as long as they are not doing things morally reprehensible. But, you're right, either way it may be a stretch for a Christian to actively vote for a woman.

You'fre a fucking idiot.

Mandy, I'm not an idiot. I wasn't suggesting this is my view. I was taking note of a certain line of thinking that I do not share...but that might work to the advantage of the Republican Party. My interpretation of Paul is not the issue. I was merely presenting a view that I have encountered frequently. I don't share it, but it does exist. I think your comment was uncalled for in any event.

You're not making any sense. Democrats who do worship at a Christian denomination tend to go to more liberal churches who don't see scripture as being as literal as the more conservative branches of Christianity. More Republician voters who have some sort of fiath, will be found in churches who see scripture as being more literal and binding.
So, I don't see how your point helps Hillary get LESS votes, at least in reference to religious beliefs.

?

Walter in Golden, Co.


Thank you, Walter, for at least asking for clarification in a reasonable tone. You are touching on my point precisely. What you observe is exactly what has happened in the past. My observation goes to a new situation: a woman runing as President. My suggestion about how certain groups feel about women in authority applies only to those groups who actually do take scripture seriously - fundamentalist Protestants and observant Catholics. My original statement was in response to the suggestion that "evangelicals" might stay home rather than vote for Rudy. My response was that there is a wild card present in this election. Certain groups might feel more strongly about voting against Hillary than they do about voting for anyone. I'm sorry I didn't communicate my original thought well enough to be understood.

How would evangelicals, staying home rather than voting for Rudy, hurt Hillary. And the only "certain groups" that would vote AGAINST Hillary would be DEMOCRATS who belong to a denomination WHO PREACHES A EVANGELICAL message. NAME ONE.

652 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:18:50pm
653 Isobutyrate  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:19:14pm

re: #636 song_and_dance_man

allahtoyou and Isobutyrate,

I understand what you're trying to say. I can quote scripture that would lead you in the right direction, but this in not the forum for it.

It is true that all authority is established by God, but that doesn't mean it remains as it was intended. As far as politics go... Render to Caesar and all that.

Remember this... Eve was deceived yet Adam chose willingly to go along with it after he knew what had happened.

Thank you. I never intended to diss women, but, of course, the topic is a hot one. I probably was not wise to jump on that particular thread. I was trying, like you said so well, that there is that issue out there, and it's one that is interpreted very differently by different folks - and I wasn't advocating either side. But as Walter noted, it's probably not much of an issue as far as democratic politics are concerned.
I'd also like to point out that I wasn't preaching. If I were to make a point from the Koran about how a verse affects it's followers, does that make me a "f-ing idiot?" That's done all the time without much consequence here. It is a little known issue in the secular world, but apparently just the mention of it touches nerves.

654 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:20:44pm

re: #649 Rodan

No, continue to speak out, but at least listen when your points are questioned. Spouting the same talking points over and over when those points are silly emotional ploys makes no sense.

you want to question the party? Start with illegal immigration, talk about government spending under the Republican controlled congress, stop whining about fat-cats and bonuses.

655 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:23:31pm

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

re: #627 allahtoyou


re: #597 song_and_dance_man

re: #587 Killgore Trout

What's with all the Christian sexism?

You got a fish hat. Shouldn't it have flowers also to be gender compliant.

Friends, you don't read very well for bright people. I've reiterated several times that I was not expressing or promoting my own personal views. I thought you might be interested in this strange cultural quirk that exists in some groups - a quirk that might work to our advantage. I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.

PLEASE, name me a Christian denomination that attracts DEMOCRATS that would teach that woman have a place on the religious pecking order and should not be running for an office that would enable her to "lord" over men, and there for, even though they are DEMOCRATS, they should not vote for Hillary.

Where is this strange cultural quirk, name them, I want to stay away from that church.

I don't think YOU are thinking this out.

Walter in Golden, Co.

Well, since you ask so nicely, there is a growing denomination of American Anglicans that rejects the idea of women in leadership; the Brethren and many other Anabaptist sects, many Mid-Western observant Roman Catholic congregations, not to mention many community-based "nondenomiational" churchs formed from people who fled more liberal churches. These are folks who have been traditionally attached to the Democratic party for reasons of "social justice" who might find a reason to look elsewhere this time. The point I'm struggling to make is that the most conservative, literal-interpretation-of-scripture churchs are the fastest growing. I merely wondered if that might bode well for Republicans if Hillary runs. And it isn't necessarily the case that all of the votes for a Republican from these groups would come from traditional Democrats...just that some who might have stayed home rather than vote for Rudy might find an incentive to vote against Hillary.

656 funkyfantom  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:23:39pm

re: #48 medaura18586

re: #7 Dianna

I completely agree. Obama's void is scary! I have heard his speeches. I don't remember EVER hearing anything but cliches and dirt-cheap rhetoric. I feel embarrassed for his supporters. "Change,.. change the world, cast aside cynicism, we have marched here for an idea, hope we can believe in"... it's embarrassing. Other than that slop about bombing Pakistan, I don't believe I have EVER heard anything concrete coming out of his mouth.

The reason he is doing so well is because empty rhetoric can be all things to all people. The message is in the ears of the listeners. Anyone can fill the blanks between the cliches with their individual delusions. The atrophied mind of the average Democrat doesn't even operate on concepts.. just feel good abstract fleeting bullshit. That's why his ridiculous "change" slogan never get old... They don't even know what they want, they have no clue... all they want is SOMETHING... yearning for something... CHANGE!

It's embarrassing...

Actually, I also recall Obama accusing our troops in Afghanistan of killing innocent civilians- that was also concrete - and unpatriotic - and illogical taken together with his comments on Pakistan. Most likely he just says any old crap if it isn't easily covered by his boilerplate "message" of empty platitudes.

657 rappmandu  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:23:57pm

Don't tell me this blog ain't got no heart.

/You just gotta poke around.

658 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #639 allahtoyou

You know, I don't think you understand politics any better than you understand the difference between Christian churches in this country.

By the way, am an atheist, but I understand the dynamics of different belief systems and how they influence society. I'm not making snide remarks about you, but you did put your opinion out there and I don't think you even have a foundation for your statement.

What observant Catholics have a problem with a woman politition?

659 Syrah  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:24:58pm

re: #643 Killer Tomato


Every call I got or poll I answered (lots and lots and lots) told me at the end who paid for it. The first time I answered one (for Clinton), I didn't realize they'd tell me, so I asked before we finished.

What is interesting about that is that a legitimate poll would not want to let you know who sponsored it until after you completed it, and maybe not even then. They would be concerned that your knowledge of who was sponsoring the poll would bias your responses.

It sounds to me like the Clinton poll was most likely a "push poll", not a legitimate poll.

660 zombie  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:24:59pm

re: #588 Killgore Trout

re: #585 zombie

Preach.

If you insist.

The whole purpose of these fake polls, and these fake "come-from-behind" victories, and the whole perfidious rigamarole, is to grant "momentum" to this or that candidate.

What is this "momentum"? What purpose does it serve? What value does it have?

Well, the MSM is operating on this theory: Americans are incalculably stupid and shallow, and always exhibit herd-like behavior. The worst thing that can happen to the psyche of a knuckledragging American sucker, or so the media believes, is to be caught supporting a "loser." The self-annointed elites imagine that Americans voters flock robotically to whichever candidate has the "momentum," i.e. whichever candidate seems likely to win, so as to be in the winner's circle at the end of the day (regardless of who the winner is or what they stand for). So the relentless insatiable goal of the campaigns and the media is to gain control over that invaluable trophy, the "momentum."

But there's a little problem with all this.

At the same time as this is going on, all of academia, and the other half of the media, are endlessly glorifying the underdog. Anyone or any group that is losing, or was defeated, or is in a bad situation, counts as being "oppressed," and thus is awarded the moral high ground. And anyone or any group that is dominant, or winning, or victorious, is portrayed as an oppressor, villainous, cruel and tyrannical.

Moonbattism can basically be summed up as "glamorization of the loser."

And this is completely regardless of the morality (or lack thereof) possessed by each side. Thus, a Guantanamo inmate or a death-row murderer is a beloved anti-hero, because he "lost." And the American military, which generally wins, is inherently bad.

As a result of this relentless indoctrination, a substantial portion -- perhaps a majority -- of Americans are attracted the defeated, the losers, the underdogs, while holding a overt disdain for the haughty victor.

But wait -- I thought taking the lead in an election gave a candidate the magical "momentum," which drew voters like moths to a flame. Right?

I propose that the exact opposite is true. That sympathy, affection and hence votes flow toward the loser in any primary. And that coming in second or third place in a poll only serves to energize your supporters -- not make them abandon you in droves.

The end result is that all the manipulation that the MSM tries to pull on the public generally has the exact opposite of the intended effect. The more they crown someone the annointed future winner, the greater the resentment grows for that person.

We saw this is action tonight with all the polls and all the "momentum" and all the pundits all saying Obama was going to win by at least 10 points -- and suddenly Hillary (of all people) became perceived as the underdog, and -- oops! -- a substantial number of votes swing over to her.

The media did this to themselves. Talk about the law of unintended consequences.

661 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:26:15pm

re: #655 allahtoyou

re: #640 Walter L. Newton


re: #627 allahtoyou

re: #597 song_and_dance_man

re: #587 Killgore Trout

What's with all the Christian sexism?

You got a fish hat. Shouldn't it have flowers also to be gender compliant.

Friends, you don't read very well for bright people. I've reiterated several times that I was not expressing or promoting my own personal views. I thought you might be interested in this strange cultural quirk that exists in some groups - a quirk that might work to our advantage. I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.

PLEASE, name me a Christian denomination that attracts DEMOCRATS that would teach that woman have a place on the religious pecking order and should not be running for an office that would enable her to "lord" over men, and there for, even though they are DEMOCRATS, they should not vote for Hillary.
Where is this strange cultural quirk, name them, I want to stay away from that church.

I don't think YOU are thinking this out.

Walter in Golden, Co.


Well, since you ask so nicely, there is a growing denomination of American Anglicans that rejects the idea of women in leadership; the Brethren and many other Anabaptist sects, many Mid-Western observant Roman Catholic congregations, not to mention many community-based "nondenomiational" churchs formed from people who fled more liberal churches. These are folks who have been traditionally attached to the Democratic party for reasons of "social justice" who might find a reason to look elsewhere this time. The point I'm struggling to make is that the most conservative, literal-interpretation-of-scripture churchs are the fastest growing. I merely wondered if that might bode well for Republicans if Hillary runs. And it isn't necessarily the case that all of the votes for a Republican from these groups would come from traditional Democrats...just that some who might have stayed home rather than vote for Rudy might find an incentive to vote against Hillary.

I knew you were going to mention those groups. And we are talking NUMBERS here. Those groups do not add up to a percentage of a percent and would have zero effect on ANY election.

Your point has not been made.

662 Rodan[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:27:19pm
663 hermit  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:27:49pm

re: #655 allahtoyou

I'm startin to get annoyed with your "observant" Roman Catholic statements, what's the deal?

664 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:28:11pm

You are A Idiot

/the soundtrack

665 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:28:29pm

When I can hear it beat out loud

666 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:30:15pm
667 LeePro  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:30:41pm

re: #610 Stonemason

re: #598 Rodan

The Capital Gains Taxcuts only benefits investor

Ya know, I was enjoying the back and forth till I read this. Pure claptrap. I respond with another talking point, this one true: It is those that stand to gain from the capital gains tax cuts that provide the employment in this economy.

Hi Stone!

You are absolutely right on the second point, but I must point out on the first one that I am an investor. I own mutual funds, upon which I earn dividends AND capital gains (all of which is rolled back into the funds). So I as an individual would benefit from eliminating the cap gains tax!

~ day 71 ;-)

668 unclassifiable  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:30:56pm

One thought has struck me.

I could take bits and pieces of each Republican candidate's stand on the issues and cobble together a pretty good president (IMHO of course).

I can't think of one single proposal from any Democratic candidate that is worth a flip.

You couldn't even cobble together a moron.

669 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:31:12pm

re: #653 Isobutyrate

re: #636 song_and_dance_man


allahtoyou and Isobutyrate,

I understand what you're trying to say. I can quote scripture that would lead you in the right direction, but this in not the forum for it.

It is true that all authority is established by God, but that doesn't mean it remains as it was intended. As far as politics go... Render to Caesar and all that.

Remember this... Eve was deceived yet Adam chose willingly to go along with it after he knew what had happened.


Thank you. I never intended to diss women, but, of course, the topic is a hot one. I probably was not wise to jump on that particular thread. I was trying, like you said so well, that there is that issue out there, and it's one that is interpreted very differently by different folks - and I wasn't advocating either side. But as Walter noted, it's probably not much of an issue as far as democratic politics are concerned.
I'd also like to point out that I wasn't preaching. If I were to make a point from the Koran about how a verse affects it's followers, does that make me a "f-ing idiot?" That's done all the time without much consequence here. It is a little known issue in the secular world, but apparently just the mention of it touches nerves.

Thank you for your sensible response. I don't need to be led in the right direction to understand Paul, since the views I was reporting are not my own. But thanks for the kind thought.
Like you, I'm sorry I brought it up. I've enjoyed reading LGF for a long time, admiring the clear-thinking and the general tone of decency that generally comes through. I've always thought the members of this community were a cut above. It's been my bad luck to stumble into the exceptions tonight, I guess. But I appreciate your reply. Goodnight.

670 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:31:28pm

I'm sorry, I jump in here tonight and I get right on to a rant. I forgot my manners...

Good evening Mandy and Ma Sands and Killgore and Zombie and Rodan and all. I just got in, and yes, it was a LONG day at the theatre.

Peace... love you all.

671 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:32:22pm

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

re: #639 allahtoyou

You know, I don't think you understand politics any better than you understand the difference between Christian churches in this country.

By the way, am an atheist, but I understand the dynamics of different belief systems and how they influence society. I'm not making snide remarks about you, but you did put your opinion out there and I don't think you even have a foundation for your statement.

What observant Catholics have a problem with a woman politition?

It wasn't my opinion.

672 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:33:16pm

re: #662 Rodan

If things are so great why do Americans say the economy sucks?

Because that is the mantra that is repeated in the press every day. I look around and see most people doing quite well. There are pockets of problems and there will always be, that is life no free-trade or not.

Though the pace of U.S. job creation has quickened recently, some “Benedict Arnold” companies are still being criticized for outsourcing work from the United States to other countries. U.S. manufacturers have outsourced operations to countries such as China to lower wage costs and escape from high taxes, burdensome government regulations and intransigent unions at home. For similar reasons, service jobs in information technology (IT) are outsourced to India. Less well known, though, is that increased economic globalization has caused jobs to move to the United States as well as away from it. And because of the higher, increasing productivity of American workers, the jobs that move here pay more than the ones that leave.

Just one of many...

673 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:33:48pm

re: #669 allahtoyou

re: #653 Isobutyrate


re: #636 song_and_dance_man

allahtoyou and Isobutyrate,
I understand what you're trying to say. I can quote scripture that would lead you in the right direction, but this in not the forum for it.

It is true that all authority is established by God, but that doesn't mean it remains as it was intended. As far as politics go... Render to Caesar and all that.

Remember this... Eve was deceived yet Adam chose willingly to go along with it after he knew what had happened.


Thank you. I never intended to diss women, but, of course, the topic is a hot one. I probably was not wise to jump on that particular thread. I was trying, like you said so well, that there is that issue out there, and it's one that is interpreted very differently by different folks - and I wasn't advocating either side. But as Walter noted, it's probably not much of an issue as far as democratic politics are concerned.
I'd also like to point out that I wasn't preaching. If I were to make a point from the Koran about how a verse affects it's followers, does that make me a "f-ing idiot?" That's done all the time without much consequence here. It is a little known issue in the secular world, but apparently just the mention of it touches nerves.

Thank you for your sensible response. I don't need to be led in the right direction to understand Paul, since the views I was reporting are not my own. But thanks for the kind thought.
Like you, I'm sorry I brought it up. I've enjoyed reading LGF for a long time, admiring the clear-thinking and the general tone of decency that generally comes through. I've always thought the members of this community were a cut above. It's been my bad luck to stumble into the exceptions tonight, I guess. But I appreciate your reply. Goodnight.


Ok, stop with the phony humility. You stepped into nothing but a lively decussion. And we all tend to hold our own around here and still go home happy. Buck up.

674 Stonemason  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:34:25pm

re: #667 LeePro

~ day 71 ;-)

Woo hooo...great!

675 LeePro  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:34:34pm

re: #617 Dianna

re: #610 Stonemason

Thanks.

Now, can I call Rodan an idiot? Can I get a second? An amen?

Yeah, he's a fucking idiot! Amen.

676 freedomplow  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:35:15pm

MSNBC Blames Voters for Bad NH Polls, If Only Archie Bunker Called

During MSNBC's live New Hampshire primary night coverage, former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw warned that poll results getting ahead of the voters could turn the public against the media, but then blamed the inaccurate polling on how “people probably are not as honest with pollsters.” Chris Matthews, who urged an “inquest” on the polls which all had Barack Obama well ahead of Hillary Clinton in the Granite state when Clinton actually won, saw “an ethnic factor here.” Matthews extrapolated on his theory involving “Archie Bunker,” the bigoted 1970s TV character:

677 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:37:39pm

It's not wise to speculate what a man might do based on what you think his spiritual/philosophical beliefs might be.
It would be better to study your own spiritual/philosophical beliefs and seek your own truth.

Power to the Correct People!
(especially the seekers of truth!)

678 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:39:27pm

Parents may turn Madeleine McCann story into a Hollywood movie

Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the couple, confirmed that a meeting was held last month with film-makers from IMG, an American-owned entertainment company.

“We have only had one very tentative discussion with IMG. It may or may not happen. If we feel any particular proposal in the media has validity in helping us find Madeleine, we are happy to discuss it,” he said.

/it just doesn't get much tackier

679 Dahveed  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:40:23pm

re: #662 Rodan

re: #654 Stonemason
It's not just Call Center Jobs going to India.
ALso High Tech and Financial jobs.
I know, I saw my industry deciminated and wages stagnate because of this.
Unemeployment may be at 5% but most of those jobs pay crap when cost of living is factored.
If things are so great why do Americans say the economy sucks?
Obvioulsy you missed what I posted.
Most Republicans don't support Free Trade anymore.
Thye leadership to listen to it's base.
That's all I will say.
Now I will go back to being a loyal party member and not question suicidal economic policies.

You are absolutely incorrect about the economy. There are only so many jobs that India can absorb. The people overall are not well-educated. The vast majority are lower class which in India means that they can't rise to the middle class. Read Alan Greenspan's book. He discusses this in depth. Second, most people say they themselves are doing fine. They believe the economy is bad because they think their neighbor is having a tough time. Also, the media is perpetuating the myth. Imports and exports have consistently risen. Foreign countries do not send goods to our country to not get paid. Why are these numbers consistently rising? Foreigners are coming here in droves buying our goods because they are cheap compared to what's in their countries because the dollar is low. I don't know about you, but I would rather they come here to buy our stuff then not. (BTW, Airbus is building a plant in the US to deal with the lower dollar. I would much rather have the jobs here than in Europe.) At the very least the American economy is the greatest and most complex in the world. Everytime people think the economy will falter it rebuilds and becomes even better. This country went from an agrarian, to an industrial, and now is an informatikon/technological economy. All the while most people have gotten richer. Every year we hear of more millionaires. None of this is a mistake.

Don't fight for a few jobs that are going to India. Fight for lower tax rates on companies. That is what brings investment and jobs. Fight for lower restrictions on business. Far too many regulations costs companies far too much money.

680 Panhandler  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:40:33pm

re: #676 freedomplow
I'm sorry, but until Oberman tells me what really happened I'm going to have to reserve judgement.

681 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:41:19pm

re: #650 allahtoyou

you, are not my friend if you think it's a stretch for a christian to vote for a woman,

682 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:41:51pm

re: #673 Walter L. Newton

re: #669 allahtoyou


re: #653 Isobutyrate

re: #636 song_and_dance_man

allahtoyou and Isobutyrate,
I understand what you're trying to say. I can quote scripture that would lead you in the right direction, but this in not the forum for it.
It is true that all authority is established by God, but that doesn't mean it remains as it was intended. As far as politics go... Render to Caesar and all that.

Remember this... Eve was deceived yet Adam chose willingly to go along with it after he knew what had happened.


Thank you. I never intended to diss women, but, of course, the topic is a hot one. I probably was not wise to jump on that particular thread. I was trying, like you said so well, that there is that issue out there, and it's one that is interpreted very differently by different folks - and I wasn't advocating either side. But as Walter noted, it's probably not much of an issue as far as democratic politics are concerned.
I'd also like to point out that I wasn't preaching. If I were to make a point from the Koran about how a verse affects it's followers, does that make me a "f-ing idiot?" That's done all the time without much consequence here. It is a little known issue in the secular world, but apparently just the mention of it touches nerves.

Thank you for your sensible response. I don't need to be led in the right direction to understand Paul, since the views I was reporting are not my own. But thanks for the kind thought.
Like you, I'm sorry I brought it up. I've enjoyed reading LGF for a long time, admiring the clear-thinking and the general tone of decency that generally comes through. I've always thought the members of this community were a cut above. It's been my bad luck to stumble into the exceptions tonight, I guess. But I appreciate your reply. Goodnight.

Ok, stop with the phony humility. You stepped into nothing but a lively decussion. And we all tend to hold our own around here and still go home happy. Buck up.

Walter, I appreciate your comments, but "F you" "you're an F - ing idiot" really don't constitute lively discussion in my world. I hardly see how we're going to manage to band together against our enemies if that's our idea of conversation. And you have no way of knowing whether my humility is phony or not. Certainly, this is an association of free participants (while our freedom lasts), so rather than whine about unwarrented, rude attacks, I'll just leave this conversation to you young folks. I guess I'm just too old. Thanks for the reply.

683 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:42:36pm

re: #681 nyc redneck

re: #650 allahtoyou

you, are not my friend if you think it's a stretch for a christian to vote for a woman,

I don't

684 Carridine  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:42:49pm

re: #662 Rodan

re: #654 Stonemason
... ALso High Tech and Financial jobs.
I know, I saw my industry decimated and wages stagnate because of this. Unemeployment may be at 5% but most of those jobs pay crap when cost of living is factored.
If things are so great why do Americans say the economy sucks?
Obviously you missed what I posted.
Most Republicans don't support Free Trade anymore.
The leadership (doesn't want) to listen to it's base.
That's all I will say.
Now I will go back to being a loyal party member and not question suicidal economic policies.

Rodan, perhaps things are great because a large number of people are starting to use the Internet in one of the ways lined out and explained decades ago, by seers and pundits, but only just now being realized: ad hoc, temporary teams that never meet except on the Internet, to do some work for pay; deliver their product after a few weeks/months; and disband to find and fill other orders-for-pay.

For many of them (and many of those folk are American, Rodan) THINGS ARE GREAT!

Their jobs do not show up on official (govt) surveys, they may or may not pay tax, and the pay is often good to deliriously great! But they're NOT 8-to-5 wage-slaves, and they don't necessarily want to broadcast that because of the afore-mentioned realities.

Ergo, "things are great" even though official estimates bleat that "the economy sucks" ... and for wage-earners, I can agree that it does, indeed, suck life and energy out of them.

685 rappmandu  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:43:07pm

re: #677 IslandLibertarian

I was arguing with a kid today about math and philosophy. The kid said, "I hate philosophy, and I don't even know what it is!"

We had a good laugh over that.

686 yitzy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:43:45pm

re: #566 freedomplow

OT: Not work safe... Photos involved.

Benazir Bhutto's Killer Is Identified

Sheesh...didja' notice how the article didn't mention the killer's suspected religion?

/sarc

687 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:44:49pm
688 Panhandler  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:45:10pm

re: #686 yitzy

It's Pakistan, did you think he was an Animist?

689 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:45:31pm

re: #682 allahtoyou

re: #673 Walter L. Newton


re: #669 allahtoyou

re: #653 Isobutyrate

re: #636 song_and_dance_man

allahtoyou and Isobutyrate,
I understand what you're trying to say. I can quote scripture that would lead you in the right direction, but this in not the forum for it.
It is true that all authority is established by God, but that doesn't mean it remains as it was intended. As far as politics go... Render to Caesar and all that.
Remember this... Eve was deceived yet Adam chose willingly to go along with it after he knew what had happened.

Thank you. I never intended to diss women, but, of course, the topic is a hot one. I probably was not wise to jump on that particular thread. I was trying, like you said so well, that there is that issue out there, and it's one that is interpreted very differently by different folks - and I wasn't advocating either side. But as Walter noted, it's probably not much of an issue as far as democratic politics are concerned.
I'd also like to point out that I wasn't preaching. If I were to make a point from the Koran about how a verse affects it's followers, does that make me a "f-ing idiot?" That's done all the time without much consequence here. It is a little known issue in the secular world, but apparently just the mention of it touches nerves.

Thank you for your sensible response. I don't need to be led in the right direction to understand Paul, since the views I was reporting are not my own. But thanks for the kind thought.
Like you, I'm sorry I brought it up. I've enjoyed reading LGF for a long time, admiring the clear-thinking and the general tone of decency that generally comes through. I've always thought the members of this community were a cut above. It's been my bad luck to stumble into the exceptions tonight, I guess. But I appreciate your reply. Goodnight.

Ok, stop with the phony humility. You stepped into nothing but a lively decussion. And we all tend to hold our own around here and still go home happy. Buck up.

Walter, I appreciate your comments, but "F you" "you're an F - ing idiot" really don't constitute lively discussion in my world. I hardly see how we're going to manage to band together against our enemies if that's our idea of conversation. And you have no way of knowing whether my humility is phony or not. Certainly, this is an association of free participants (while our freedom lasts), so rather than whine about unwarrented, rude attacks, I'll just leave this conversation to you young folks. I guess I'm just too old. Thanks for the reply.

Yea.. I guess I'm just a young 55. Don't trust anyone younger than you.

690 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:46:01pm

re: #687 song_and_dance_man

Well, I'm outta popcorn and the sheets are bleating.


Night you... I'm headed there too.

691 Syrah  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:48:19pm

re: #676 freedomplow

MSNBC Blames Voters for Bad NH Polls, If Only Archie Bunker Called

During MSNBC's live New Hampshire primary night coverage, former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw warned that poll results getting ahead of the voters could turn the public against the media, but then blamed the inaccurate polling on how “people probably are not as honest with pollsters.” Chris Matthews, who urged an “inquest” on the polls which all had Barack Obama well ahead of Hillary Clinton in the Granite state when Clinton actually won, saw “an ethnic factor here.” Matthews extrapolated on his theory involving “Archie Bunker,” the bigoted 1970s TV character:

The big change that has taken place is a big shift away from landlines in households. Most if not all of these political overnight polls are done with land line numbers only. They are leaving out a huge portion of the population that has cellphones only and no land lines in their household. (This demographic is typically very young.) If these polls are not including that demographic in their research, their results will be near to worthless.

The old tried and true methodologies are no longer very reliable.

The telephone polling industry is going through huge changes right now and this election season will likely highlight just how much trouble it is in.

692 allahtoyou  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:48:22pm

. I guess I'm just too old. Thanks for the reply.

Yea.. I guess I'm just a young 55. Don't trust anyone younger than you.

Trade you!

693 LadyK  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:52:18pm
My suggestion about how certain groups feel about women in authority applies only to those groups who actually do take scripture seriously - fundamentalist Protestants and observant Catholics.

Again-- you really can't throw Catholics in with fundamental Protestants. (Believe me, some fundamentalists will take great umbrage if you do so.) Many Catholics, while rightly honoring the Bible as the Word of God, do not view it literally. I was taught, for instance, that the Creation section of Genesis was allegory. I've also been told by several priests to view Revelations in a non-literal sense. We were taught evolution and the old-earth theory at my Catholic high school.


What observant Catholics have a problem with a woman politition?

It wasn't my opinion.

But nor is it the opinion of most observant Catholics. Not this one, not any of the Catholics I was raised with, none of the ones I met in my Catholic college.

694 Hard Right  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:52:32pm

re: #686 yitzy

re: #566 freedomplow


OT: Not work safe... Photos involved.

Benazir Bhutto's Killer Is Identified


Sheesh...didja' notice how the article didn't mention the killer's suspected religion?

/sarc

A Buddhist? Was I right?

695 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:52:44pm

Just a comment. In youtube video format. :)

Totally off topic, but some how about topic.

/feeling board with all the bickering.

696 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:57:45pm

re: #692 allahtoyou

. I guess I'm just too old. Thanks for the reply.

Yea.. I guess I'm just a young 55. Don't trust anyone younger than you.

Trade you!

i don't trust anyone who doesn't seem trust worthy.

697 Bobibutu  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:58:35pm

OT

Update MC Times story on Marine’s car allegedly keyed by protester.

[Link: www.marinecorpstimes.com...]

698 bluegrass boy  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:58:59pm

im going over to obama girls house,...shes gotta be heart broken...and rich...

699 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:59:56pm

Quote of the day
Ouch.
/G'nite, y'all

700 LeePro  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:10:10pm

re: #693 LadyK

My suggestion about how certain groups feel about women in authority applies only to those groups who actually do take scripture seriously - fundamentalist Protestants and observant Catholics.

Again-- you really can't throw Catholics in with fundamental Protestants. (Believe me, some fundamentalists will take great umbrage if you do so.) Many Catholics, while rightly honoring the Bible as the Word of God, do not view it literally. I was taught, for instance, that the Creation section of Genesis was allegory. I've also been told by several priests to view Revelations in a non-literal sense. We were taught evolution and the old-earth theory at my Catholic high school.


What observant Catholics have a problem with a woman politition?

It wasn't my opinion.

But nor is it the opinion of most observant Catholics. Not this one, not any of the Catholics I was raised with, none of the ones I met in my Catholic college.

Thee and me!

Good night, y'all!

... and good night to lurker zee... yes, we all saw you trying to fuck up the ratings.

701 arizona9  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:34:39pm
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Fuckin' A

702 slokat  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:36:34pm

I know Evangelicals that will not allow women in positions of authority over them and have quit their jobs rather than work for a female boss.

I know Mexican-American Catholics that hold almost as strident of a position.

I know red-neck never been in a church good ole boys that won't even listen to any viewpoint expressed by a woman, let alone follow one.

And, I know some Muslim & Hindu guys that won't even acknowledge a woman that comes right up and speaks to them.

None are my friends, but I come into contact with all sorts of people in construction.

My point: There is a lot of latent hostility towards women, in various groups. Will it have a big effect on the vote? Don't know... don't even know how many of these guys vote.

703 Catttt  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:37:38pm

re: #693 LadyK

My suggestion about how certain groups feel about women in authority applies only to those groups who actually do take scripture seriously - fundamentalist Protestants and observant Catholics.

Again-- you really can't throw Catholics in with fundamental Protestants. (Believe me, some fundamentalists will take great umbrage if you do so.) Many Catholics, while rightly honoring the Bible as the Word of God, do not view it literally. I was taught, for instance, that the Creation section of Genesis was allegory. I've also been told by several priests to view Revelations in a non-literal sense. We were taught evolution and the old-earth theory at my Catholic high school.


What observant Catholics have a problem with a woman politition?

It wasn't my opinion.

But nor is it the opinion of most observant Catholics. Not this one, not any of the Catholics I was raised with, none of the ones I met in my Catholic college.

Nor is it the opinion of this one, nor of my large Irish Catholic family, virtually all of whom are Democrats (including me). Nothing I was ever taught by the nuns or the catechism teachers said any such thing, and I've known a fair number of nuns with considerable authority (and not just over women). The nuns who ran the local hospital in my home town were tough ladies.

Also, the Church has recognized several women, including my patron saint, as Doctors of the Church. The title is not too common, and it is given to saints whose writings have had a fundamental influence in the development of the Church's teachings. St. Catherine of Siena and St. Teresa of Avila are also Doctors of the Church.

704 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:37:38pm

Dieses Gewinde ist tot

705 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:39:00pm

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

re: #627 allahtoyou

re: #597 song_and_dance_man


re: #587 Killgore Trout


What's with all the Christian sexism?


You got a fish hat. Shouldn't it have flowers also to be gender compliant.


Friends, you don't read very well for bright people. I've reiterated several times that I was not expressing or promoting my own personal views. I thought you might be interested in this strange cultural quirk that exists in some groups - a quirk that might work to our advantage. I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.

PLEASE, name me a Christian denomination that attracts DEMOCRATS that would teach that woman have a place on the religious pecking order and should not be running for an office that would enable her to "lord" over men, and there for, even though they are DEMOCRATS, they should not vote for Hillary.

Where is this strange cultural quirk, name them, I want to stay away from that church.

I don't think YOU are thinking this out.

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #635 Killgore Trout

re: #627 allahtoyou

I'm a bit surprised at the lack of civility.


Would you like a crumpet with your tea?

sorry i gave you a minus , eek slip of the finger. plus , plus , plus.

706 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:41:18pm

re: #668 unclassifiable

One thought has struck me.

I could take bits and pieces of each Republican candidate's stand on the issues and cobble together a pretty good president (IMHO of course).

I can't think of one single proposal from any Democratic candidate that is worth a flip.

You couldn't even cobble together a moron.

Great line!

707 kayatribe  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:48:01pm

re: #704 Yankee Division Son

dann geh doch schlafen...

708 Catttt  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:50:34pm

re: #598 Rodan

re: #591 Dianna
You are out of touch.
The Capital Gains Taxcuts only benefits investor, the wealthy who vote Democratic.
Wages have been stagnant and inflation is back.
Live in your la la la land.
Just remember why Huckabee is gaining traction.
He's addressing these concerns.
He gets it.

Lord love a duck, but you are a fool.

709 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:54:08pm

re: #708 Cattt

re: #598 Rodan

re: #591 Dianna
You are out of touch.
The Capital Gains Taxcuts only benefits investor, the wealthy who vote Democratic.
Wages have been stagnant and inflation is back.
Live in your la la la land.
Just remember why Huckabee is gaining traction.
He's addressing these concerns.
He gets it.

Lord love a duck, but you are a fool.

Rodan thought that since he was feeling better, thinking clearer, not hearing those voices as often, that he'd stop taking his meds. Big mistake.

710 Panhandler  Tue, Jan 8, 2008 11:57:55pm

re: #709 M. Bensson-Levi
That's gonna sting

711 Panhandler  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:00:29am

yup, - "He's dead Jim"

712 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:03:10am

re: #708 Cattt

re: #709 M. Bensson-Levi

Most people think that most investors are the "rich" folks. What they don't realize is that a large proportion of middle class are investors as well. Therefore a tax break that is supposed to help the rich actually will benefit the middle class. Probably even more because they can't afford to lose as much as those who are rich.

713 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:05:39am

re: #703 Cattt

In Siena (I used to live near there) there is a church where you can see the head of St. Catherine of Siena, in a reliquary.

714 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:10:30am

re: #710 Panhandler

re: #709 M. Bensson-Levi
That's gonna sting

Nah, only if somebody gives a rat's ass, and why would anyone in his right mind...hmm...maybe you have something there.

BTW, your avatar. Are those Naval Aviator's Wings? If so was/is you?

715 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:12:05am

re: #711 Panhandler

"naw...he's just restin'"

716 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:13:00am
717 Catttt  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:15:28am

re: #716 savage_nation

Hi kids

Waves at savage.

718 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:16:18am

Mornin' Mr. Driver sir.

Do you ever get to the East Coast or are you mainly out west?

719 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:17:22am

re: #718 Stonemason

and that would be directed to: re: #716 savage_nation

720 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:18:52am

Morning Savage. Did you enjoy your day in Dallas?

721 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:19:10am
722 Catttt  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:19:21am

re: #712 BlueCanuck

re: #708 Cattt

re: #709 M. Bensson-Levi

Most people think that most investors are the "rich" folks. What they don't realize is that a large proportion of middle class are investors as well. Therefore a tax break that is supposed to help the rich actually will benefit the middle class. Probably even more because they can't afford to lose as much as those who are rich.

Exactly. There are huge numbers of people from many walks of life who are investing now, in no small part due to retirement plans at work that introduce them to investing.

723 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:19:56am
724 Catttt  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:20:21am

re: #721 savage_nation

re: #717 Cattt

re: #716 savage_nation

Hi kids

Waves at savage.

Hiya :>

You're the LGF equivalent of Carmen Sandiego.

725 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:20:54am
726 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:21:36am
727 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:21:55am

re: #723 savage_nation

If you are in South East PA and need food reccomendations (or heck, lunch) let me know. That travellin' stuff can get wearisome I hear!

728 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:23:08am

re: #722 Cattt

I don't know how tax laws are down in the U.S.A. but I am learning a bit about it here as part of my 2nd job. Essentially teaching people how to pay as much tax as the government deserves. Actually as little as possible. :) RRSPs (401k's) are actually a losing propisition for the middle class person come retirement, believe it or not.

729 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:23:37am
730 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:23:58am

re: #726 savage_nation

So you didn't get a chance to visit the grassy knoll then, eh?

731 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:25:50am
732 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:26:46am

re: #731 savage_nation

I hear you, driving would be great if it wasn't for all those other idiots on the road. :)

733 Catttt  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:27:39am

re: #728 BlueCanuck

re: #722 Cattt

I don't know how tax laws are down in the U.S.A. but I am learning a bit about it here as part of my 2nd job. Essentially teaching people how to pay as much tax as the government deserves. Actually as little as possible. :) RRSPs (401k's) are actually a losing propisition for the middle class person come retirement, believe it or not.

I remember reading in Dilbert that to become indispensable, one should become an expert in something everyone loathes - like tax law. I actually think tax law is interesting. Cost basis - yummy. :)

734 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:27:46am
735 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:28:39am

re: #734 savage_nation

re: #732 BlueCanuck


re: #731 savage_nation

I hear you, driving would be great if it wasn't for all those other idiots on the road. :)


Man, people will run into each other for no reason at all other than to run into each other.

And after that you get all the bloody rubberneckers slowing down to see who screwed up this time.

736 Catttt  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:30:04am

My cats are circling me - their way of saying "why the heck are you still up?!?"

Goodnight.

737 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:30:23am

re: #733 Cattt

Taxes. :p. But seriously I have done mine for the most part every year. I only take them to other people to get my money back faster. I don't know why people complain about how hard it is to do. All you do is follow the instructions and fill in column A or column B.

738 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:31:07am

Night Cattt, sleep well.

739 Catttt  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:31:55am

re: #737 BlueCanuck

re: #733 Cattt

Taxes. :p. But seriously I have done mine for the most part every year. I only take them to other people to get my money back faster. I don't know why people complain about how hard it is to do. All you do is follow the instructions and fill in column A or column B.

I hate doing my own taxes. It's easy, but I just hate doing it. I'm bad.

The shoemaker's children have no shoes.

OK - now really - goodnight. :)

740 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:36:28am
741 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:38:47am

Good Morning Dead Thread!

'Free speech,' Israeli style

742 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:42:31am
743 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:49:21am

re: #712 BlueCanuck

re: #708 Cattt

re: #709 M. Bensson-Levi

Most people think that most investors are the "rich" folks. What they don't realize is that a large proportion of middle class are investors as well. Therefore a tax break that is supposed to help the rich actually will benefit the middle class. Probably even more because they can't afford to lose as much as those who are rich.

Well of course you're right! I have investments, and although I am far from rich ( I've raised 3 children, braces, colleges, weddings...or I might have been ) but I'm doin' pretty OK, and I'd sure benefit from a reduction, or elimination of the capital gains tax. The estate tax, as well. That one is particularly onerous!

Rodan's remarks are founded on ignorance, and reek of the whining class warfare victim hood nonsense of the economically unsuccessful.

Mature, intelligent, informed people know that life is neither fair, nor concerned about any of us. When we get knocked down, we deal with it, we get up, and get going again. We don't bitch, moan, and whine (except for therapeutic purposes), because we know that it doesn't do any good, and we don't blame anyone, or anything else for our fortune, good or bad. We work hard, and accept, and deal with whatever life throws at us. We don't panic, we adjust, and we never give up, and never look for somebody else to fight for us. So we succeed...eventually, to varying degrees.

Different folks make different strokes, which I don't mind, I just don't want to hear their moanin' an' groanin' and hopin' that someone, anyone, would not only make it better for them, but actually make it just peachy keen! I hate those kind of people, and have neither pity, nor respect for them.

Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz...

744 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:52:13am

re: #743 M. Bensson-Levi

Well said!

745 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:54:52am

re: #743 M. Bensson-Levi

Very well put. If you don't like the rules, learn them so you can play around them. There are loopholes that can aid and assist anyone. People that whine and moan about "fairness" are just too lazy to learn the rules of the game.

746 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 12:56:33am

re: #742 savage_nation

I'm still laughing at this

Hello, Thanks, and good night!

You are definitely as whacked as I am. Your link removed ALL doubt.

Be safe.

747 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:00:07am
748 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:05:46am

I think if she had kissed some babies she would've had even larger support. Mostly from soccer moms and NAMBLA members

749 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:08:07am

I'm just popping in and out to say:

Trigger- I hate you so much. ;p

750 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:08:39am

Morning trigger, how's it going?

751 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:09:44am
752 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:09:55am

#744 Stonemason

#745 BlueCanuck

Thank you, both.

People that whine and moan about "fairness" are just too lazy to learn the rules of the game.

Agreed, and one of most basic, and valuable of the rules, that needs to be learned at an early age, the earlier, the better, is "No excuse, Sir." Eliminates a lot of troubles, and heartaches.

753 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:12:04am

The concept of "fairness" is a human invention that does not really exist in the natural world except by accident.

754 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:12:17am

NYTOL.

755 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:12:42am
756 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:15:12am
757 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:16:26am

re: #753 eastvillageinfidel

The concept of "fairness" is a human invention that does not really exist in the natural world except by accident.

And that is exactly why the 'left', or 'progressives' will never get it. As a group they subscribe to evolution, or survival of the fittest, and then, as a group, do everything they can to stop the evolutionary process.

it boggles the mind!

758 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:19:54am

re: #757 Stonemason

They have perverted into survival of the "fairest". Good luck with that losers.

759 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:23:09am

re: #749 Sharmuta

Arghh, I missed your entrance to throw some muffin crumbs at you X:(

re: #750 BlueCanuck

Hello BC!

I have procrastinated in the lounge and forgot that I was spposed to do my work :)

760 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:24:16am

re: #755 savage_nation


Hey savage!

761 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:25:06am

re: #758 eastvillageinfidel

oops! left out 'it'. sorry.

762 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:28:58am
763 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:29:11am
764 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:29:38am

re: #761 eastvillageinfidel

Actually even with out "it" the statement still made sense.

Night Bensson.

So back to the old grind then trigger. :)

765 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:35:29am
766 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:37:17am

re: #764 BlueCanuck

I guess! :)

re: #765 savage_nation

bye sn

767 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:38:41am

re: #765 savage_nation

be safe sir

768 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:53:16am

Later savage, drive safe.

769 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:54:22am

Well, this seems like one of the deadest dead threads I have seen in a while. :-)

To all those who aren't snoozing, goodmorning!

770 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:55:09am

Not Snoozin', supposed to be working!

Hoping Fruit cup arrives in a minute or three...

771 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:55:24am

Sorry, just catching up on some internet stuff. Geotagging some of my pics on flickr.

772 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:55:26am

Not snoozing...SNEEZING!

pink! :-)

773 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:56:02am

Morning Pink. littleoldlady should be lurking around here somewhere.

774 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:56:05am

re: #770 Stonemason

Not Snoozin', supposed to be working!

Hoping Fruit cup arrives in a minute or three...

As sure as the sun rises, she will be here.

775 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:56:27am

Stonemason! :-)

I'd better go wash my hands...

/Germs 'R Us

776 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:57:10am

re: #772 littleoldlady


Goodmorning Lady! Blue, 'morning to you too!

/Suzette, quit lurking!

777 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:58:00am

I am SO predictable. :-/

/I don't know how I can stand myself!

Ajax is not behaving for me. Anyone else?

778 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:58:46am

No problems here.

779 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:59:40am

re: #777 littleoldlady

Predictability is underrated. I highly prize it.

Ajax fine here.

780 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 1:59:46am

re: #769 pink freud

Good morning! I'm trying to hang on for a fruitcup, but I don't think I'm gonna make it! It's 5 am here. oh well, another day. :)

781 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:00:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

782 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:00:59am

re: #780 eastvillageinfidel

Goodmorning eastvillageinfidel!

783 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:01:34am

eastvillageinfidel! :-)

Oh ye of little faith...

784 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:02:13am

*fruit cup dance* Thanks littleoldlady.

Lasted just long enough eastvillageinfidel. :)

785 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:02:49am

As I mentioned here the other day, grabbed a copy of the local little rag that was in the limo on the way back from the airport the other day.

They had the obligatory letter to the editor from a taxpayer-funded, card-carrying Marxist.

Very well-written. I'm sure the souls of the 120 million or so "counter-revolutionaries" from the last century were amused.

/Commies are "elegant" Nazis

786 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:02:58am

BlueCanuck! :-)

787 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:04:17am
788 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:04:24am

re: #785 Pro-Bush Canuck

No which rag would that have been? The Metro? :)

/free shill for the Toronto Red Star.

789 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:05:33am

Fruitcup! Wheee! Such a rare treat for me in NYC! Now I'm off to bed . Goodnight lizard friends! :)

790 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:05:40am

re: #788 BlueCanuck

re: #785 Pro-Bush Canuck

No which rag would that have been? The Metro? :)

/free shill for the Toronto Red Star.

[Link: thechronicleherald.ca...]

791 Fearless Fred  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:05:51am

re: #781 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Aloha kakahiaka, littleoldlady! Woke up just to say hi.

792 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:07:21am

re: #790 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ahhh the Nova Scotian version.

/keep forgetting how far you travel around.

793 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:08:21am

re: #781 littleoldlady

Good morning and thank you so much!

794 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:10:40am

Fred! :-)

Pro-Bush Canuck! :-)

Carl! :-)

Israeli Public Relations Slogan: Hasbara is a dirty word!

795 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:10:42am

Fox carrying live video of Bush arriving in Tel Aviv. Interesting to see. I wonder what fruits, if any, this trip will bear.

796 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:13:52am

re: #793 Stonemason

'Morning, neighbor! :-)

797 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:16:00am

morning, LoL!

and others ofcourse

798 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:16:26am

re: #795 pink freud

I hope one of those fruits is a whole bunch of replacement parts for the grounded F-15's.

YIKES,
R

799 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:17:00am

re: #792 BlueCanuck

re: #790 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ahhh the Nova Scotian version.

/keep forgetting how far you travel around.

You think I travel? The new girlfriend (God love her) has been in so many countries in the past few years it is hard to keep track.

She looked over the border in Korea, and has some fellow teachers in Colombia.

Sweet, but a tad naive.

800 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:20:02am

re: #799 Pro-Bush Canuck

Wow. Must be nice (if it's not just done for work.) I definitely don't travel as much as I would like. :)

801 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:20:54am

trigger girlie! :-)

RENDER! :-)

802 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:23:38am

I wish someone was here to rip the snickers ice cream out of my hands :(

damn the hotel shop!

803 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:23:59am

re: #801 littleoldlady

Mornin.

(((LoL)))

YARGH,
R

804 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:24:18am

re: #751 ploome hineni

..heh

so much for the MSM trying to push through their candidate

SoS...the media, our Left, the authoritarian bent, falling prey to their own cunning and tools of the trade. When reality steps-in, there's this confusion of cartoon quality - like Wile E. Coyote getting plastered to the front of truck before another making attempt to get Road Runner.

Mornin ploome, Blue, Render, Lol, trigger, Stone, Pro, pink, Carl, east... all.

805 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:24:25am

re: #797 trigger girlie

morning, LoL!

and others ofcourse

Hiya trigger girlie!

/I hope that you and sharmuta are properly disgusted with each other. ;-)

806 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:25:19am

re: #802 trigger girlie

Sorry, can't help. My weakness is Tim Hortons breakfast sandwich.

807 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:25:26am

re: #798 Render

re: #795 pink freud

I hope one of those fruits is a whole bunch of replacement parts for the grounded F-15's.

YIKES,
R

He did leave Condi behind, I hope.

808 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:26:15am

Ok, time to do the morning rounds. BBIAW

809 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:26:29am

re: #804 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Morning, aboo!

810 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:26:37am

re: #800 BlueCanuck

re: #799 Pro-Bush Canuck

Wow. Must be nice (if it's not just done for work.) I definitely don't travel as much as I would like. :)

She has to travel because she is involved in helping people. Can't say much here, obviously.

811 Fearless Fred  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:27:35am

re: #802 trigger girlie

I wish someone was here to rip the snickers ice cream out of my hands :(

damn the hotel shop!

`Ono!

812 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:30:35am

re: #804 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

aboo! :-)

Funny you should say that. My daughter was watching Fox last night while they were doing spots on "The Life and Times of The Candidates". She said, "This is like watching a cartoon..."

813 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:31:28am
814 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:31:46am

re: #802 trigger girlie

You know...You really do have a cute smile. But that Snickers ice cream is gonna go straight to your hips.

*LoL is trying to get the two of us in trouble (#801) with our respective signifigant others.*

BUBBLE
BUTTS
RULE,
R

815 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:31:48am

re: #813 Stonemason

After the fruit cup that is!

816 Fearless Fred  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:32:05am

re: #804 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

re: #751 ploome hineni

..heh

so much for the MSM trying to push through their candidate

SoS...the media, our Left, the authoritarian bent, falling prey to their own cunning and tools of the trade. When reality steps-in, there's this confusion of cartoon quality - like Wile E. Coyote getting plastered to the front of truck before another making attempt to get Road Runner.

That's hilarious! Hehe, lol. You are right.

Good morning.

817 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:34:48am

re: #814 Render

Does trigger girlie have a bashert here on LGF, too?

/Bubble Butts 'R Us

My services as a wedding planner are available...

818 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:35:50am

A good one if you're slightly lovesick like I am right now.

/I really love her, but you guys know what I mean.

819 Fearless Fred  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:36:39am

re: #817 littleoldlady

re: #814 Render

Does trigger girlie have a bashert here on LGF, too?

/Bubble Butts 'R Us

My services as a wedding planner are available...

'Bashert' . . . what's that, littleoldlady?

820 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:37:13am

re: #813 Stonemason

Good thing your link didn't work.

/Bubble Butts...you know. ;-)

821 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:37:53am

re: #805 pink freud

Yeah, she jumped in earlier but I didn't catch her on time to subject her to
my hate:(


: #806 BlueCanuck

I had some Hormel steak tips with taters earlier. mmm
rere: #811 Fearless Fred

Is that Hawaiian? lol

re: #814 Render

Eh, whats one ice cream...or 3...

822 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:38:49am

re: #817 littleoldlady

Lol, not as far as I know!

823 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:39:02am

Frred,

Bashert = "meant to be"; "The One" when referring to a love interest.

824 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:40:48am

re: #820 littleoldlady

I noticed that...I wonder if it was on the Wawa end...oh well, we should stick with the Fruit Cup!

825 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:41:17am

re: #812 littleoldlady

Lol, we'd probably be a lot better off if we took all the news, morning yak shows, political square peg-round hole tables off the air and ran old cartoons in their slots right-up through November 3rd.

Ah-ha! proof positive Rove is still working for the BushChimpHalliburtonWarMongers: Persian Gulf Incident a Part of US Propaganda against Iran

Impeach Bush, Cheney & Rove 08'! No third term!

They can't fool us. :)

826 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:41:36am

re: #819 Fearless Fred

One true love...or something mushy like that.

===

LoL: I don't think Trig's hubby is the posting type, but I could be wrong.

Trig: What say? Is the old man a Lizard, or not?

LEAST
WORST
OF,
R

827 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:42:22am

re: #823 littleoldlady

Wow...looks like you'll be joining the 15,000 club this morning!

828 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:43:42am

re: #827 Stonemason

...and here I was struggling to break 4,000 before the end of last year.

HUZZAH,
R

829 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:44:06am

re: #826 Render

He hates blogs :( Although he does have the same political opinion ofcourse.
He hates myspace/chats/any other online mean of socializing


Damn, he hates socializing in general! lol

830 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:44:51am

re: #827 Stonemason

Thanks for the heads up! I have missed every one of my own grim milestones because I wasn't paying attention.

/although whether or not I have the time for 33 32 more posts remains to be seen... ;-)

831 pink freud  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:45:21am

Nite all, time for me to go.

A wonderful day to everyone!

832 Stonemason  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:45:26am

re: #828 Render

I was told that I had to hit 1000 before the Zionist Checks™ started to arrive...trying to get there!

833 Fearless Fred  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:46:02am

re: #821 trigger girlie

re: #805 pink freud

Yeah, she jumped in earlier but I didn't catch her on time to subject her to
my hate:(


: #806 BlueCanuck

I had some Hormel steak tips with taters earlier. mmm
rere: #811 Fearless Fred

Is that Hawaiian? lol

re: #814 Render

Eh, whats one ice cream...or 3...

Of course it's Hawaiian ... . . . hmmm, -- tips an' taters! ... sounds good!

I've got to catch a few more winks here before my work day begins. 'Nite . . .

Aloha Pumehana . . . Ke nono au, e kala mua mai, i keia manawa ho'i.

834 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:46:13am

re: #832 Stonemason

Mine's in direct deposit!

835 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:46:55am

re: #833 Fearless Fred

I had no idea you were from HI, lol

aloha!

836 brianstien  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:48:41am

The DUmmies are in full-on moonbat mode. Diebold conspiracies and all that.

837 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:48:56am

{PINK!}

838 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:49:47am

re: #835 trigger girlie

And I had no idea that you were married! :-)

839 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:56:22am

Another really beautiful song.

I'm 45 but I feel 18 right now. Need to get balance though, I've negotiated a partial deal with a Swedish arms dealer (all public - Canada and Sweden getting together again to support USA).

840 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:58:47am

re: #839 Pro-Bush Canuck

So you guys are going with the Bofors 40/57mm?

KARLSKOGA,
R

841 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 2:59:51am

re: #838 littleoldlady

Me neither! Oh, duh...

lol, yeah, I am!

842 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:00:54am

I'm not military - have never served.

I trust God is going to use me a bit though over the next few years to found our boys. When Iran goes down, we want to be prepared.

843 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:01:43am

re: #842 Pro-Bush Canuck

I'm not military - have never served.

I trust God is going to use me a bit though over the next few years to found our boys. When Iran goes down, we want to be prepared.

PIMF: found = fund

844 Render  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:03:10am

uh-oh...

It's that Doberman stampede time of the morning.

GONE,
R

845 Fearless Fred  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:03:56am

re: #839 Pro-Bush Canuck

Another really beautiful song.

I'm 45 but I feel 18 right now. Need to get balance though, I've negotiated a partial deal with a Swedish arms dealer (all public - Canada and Sweden getting together again to support USA).

Beautiful! ...Pretty sweet, indeed! She's amazing.

Good luck w/ your business deal!

Fearless

846 trigger girlie  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:06:55am

Holy crap! WebSense is down! yay!

847 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:07:28am

Close your eyes, keep wishing the same wish over-and-over, then click your heels together 3 times: Russia and the Arabs: Lesson from the past

Today's(as was yesterday's and will be tomorrow's) forecast for the rest of 08': War Fog 95%; Propaganda in the high 80's-to-mid 90's; brief but heavy periods of conflict, 100%. Stay tuned to your local emergency channel for the same information without updates.

848 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:11:52am

The Bible tells us to love our enemies. We can do that, and if you read Michael Yon's site you know all about the Corps. scooping children off the street in Iraq seconds before an IED explodes.

The Bible also instructs us to love those women and children, and make short work of the enemy when necessary.

849 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:17:12am

Hang on...there's a new thread?

/did Charles invent auto-posting?!

850 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:41:19am
851 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:42:05am

re: #794 littleoldlady

Fred! :-)

Pro-Bush Canuck! :-)

Carl! :-)

Israeli Public Relations Slogan: Hasbara is a dirty word!

Unfortunately, they really do think that way.

/sigh

852 gettinby  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 3:44:32am

Good day Carl...

Charles must be up early.

NEW THREAD UPSTAIRS.

853 BabbaZee  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 4:14:34am

In the words of Grandma:

I told yez so

#168 BabbaZee :: Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 12:56:28 pm

It's all a show. Don't believe ANY of them. Especially Hillary "crying" ... She'll fit Obama for some concrete kicks shortly

854 Clairevoyant1  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 4:55:16am

re: #250 judymac

I read something during the last election cycle about how people respond to being asked about their vote.
A LOT of people don't 'fess up to their true vote, but instead, give the name of the candidate that's gotten more positive coverage in the MSM . . . in other words, the voter tells the pollster he voted for the candidate that he thinks is more "acceptable" for the pollster to hear - or, in my estimation, the candidate that's considered "hipper."
That would explain why Democrat candidates often poll better than the Republicans (but the races are so close), and might explain why everyone said they were voting for the hot-pick-of-the-week Obama . . .

Or maybe no one wanted to say that they were voting for the white candidate over the black one . . .

When Doug Wilder (the first elected black governor) was running for governor of VA in 1989 against Republican Marshall Coleman, he defeated Coleman by a spread of less than half a percent. The closeness of the margin prompted a recount, which certified Wilder's victory, and he was sworn in on January 13, 1990.

Wilder had a comfortable lead in the last polls before election. The unexpected closeness of the election, while likely due in part to the traditionally strong get out the vote efforts of Republicans, has also been observed in other elections involving African Americans and other minority candidates. Called the "Bradley effect", it entails white voters being more likely to tell pollsters that they will support a candidate than to actually vote for them.

Wikipedia:
The term (Tom)Bradley effect or Wilder effect refers to a phenomenon which has led to inaccurate voter opinion polls in some American political campaigns between a white candidate and a non-white candidate. Specifically, there have been instances in which statistically significant numbers of white voters tell pollsters in advance of an election that they are either genuinely undecided, or likely to vote for the non-white candidate, but those voters exhibit a different behavior when actually casting their ballots. White voters who said that they were undecided break in statistically large numbers toward the white candidate, and many of the white voters who said that they were likely to vote for the black candidate ultimately cast their ballot for the white candidate. This reluctance to give accurate polling answers has sometimes extended to post-election exit polls as well.

Researchers who have studied the issue theorize that some white voters give inaccurate responses to polling questions because of a fear that they might appear to others to be racially prejudiced. Some research has suggested that the race of the pollster conducting the interview may factor into that concern. At least one prominent researcher has suggested that with regard to pre-election polls, the discrepancy can be traced in part by the polls' failure to account for general conservative political leanings among late-deciding voters.

855 uriaheep  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 5:36:20am

Hillary will be our next president. Now everybody drink your punch.

856 katemaclaren  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 5:41:44am

Good morning to all left here on the probably soon-to-be-dead thread.

I, for one, am GLAD Hillary won--simply because it once again exposes to the notion, radical as it is--that VOTERS count--not polls. Seeing Bill "It's a big fairytale" Clinton grumpily stumping--just sweetens my tea and butters my bread. I am going to enjoy the dust-up. Now, they will feel comfortable trashing the O guy--and that is going to put the cat among the pigeons.

857 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 5:59:56am

re: #120 meMarc

I could never vote for her because the Clintons’ liberal internationalism on display in the 1990s — the pursuit of paper treaties and the reliance on international institutions — is naive in theory and feckless in practice. And her domestic policy sees state intervention and expansion as the answer to every human ill from mortgage default to the common cold.

man if that ain't the truth.

858 dachew  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 6:05:40am

So, when will the voter fraud investigation begin?

We all remember that the exit polls didn't exactly match actual voting results in Ohio in the 04' election right? And we all remember the lefties going insane and demanding investigations into voter intimidation and Diebold and voter disenfranchisement right? So, I'm sure they'll demand investigations now right? Since all the polls picked Obama by a wide margin - some as many as 13 percentage points - there'll be demands for an investigation under the same assumptions right?

I'm going to go ahead and hold my breath waiting for lefties to not be hypocrits about this. See you all on the other side.

859 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 6:07:41am

re: #350 MandyManners

re: #312 FrogMarch

My sentiments exactly.

If I were Empress of the Universe, we'd all vote for him.

Well then - I vote for you for Empress of the Universe.

860 TMF  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:04:38am

So much for Chris Matthews theory that "Democrats fall in love- Republicans fall in line"

Clearly, the Dems fell in line and will do so throughout the rest of the primary.

Right behind the Clintonista syndicate that runs their party like a 1930s Boss Tweed machine.

By the way, that theory doesnt hold up for last go around either

Does anyone believe the Dems nominated Kerry b/c they were "in love" with him?

861 TMF  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:06:07am

By the way- Obama WILL be the VP candidate- so I hope everyone is taking notes on the Clintons attacks on him now.

That "fairytale" comment better go right into a GOP attack ad next fall

862 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:14:53am

There was a woman interviewed on NPR this morning (at least that's when I heard the clip) who said she voted for Hillary because Hillary cried and she liked the emotion. In fact, she wanted her to cry more often.

It makes for a catchy new campaign slogan - Hillary Clinton '08 - I'm Incompetent And Won't Accomplish Anything, But I Promise To Get Frustrated And Cry About It On National Television.

863 GOP_Crusader  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:20:02am

The thing I hate the most about Clinton's win is that now we have to hear all the BS about "comeback kid II" and how she overcame adversity to be the champion (by 3 percentage points). The whole thing makes me sick.

864 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:21:00am

The tears worked. All the fem-dems fell in line so that Hillary can complete her power hungry divine destiny.

865 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:23:08am

the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty must not be denied.
Besides, little old ladies and eternal victim democrats who want endless state benefits will not be denied.

866 BingoBunny  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:41:22am

Hillary crying will get us a lot of respect arround the world.. they will think that beating on us works.

867 libertexian  Wed, Jan 9, 2008 7:53:52am

It was a media scam. The tears were a media scam. My sister does the same thing to control (castrate) her husbands (of which that have been many). Tear up a little, get some sympathy then pour out yer little pea pickin' hear