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Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 11:28:00 am PDT

Terje Roed-Larsen seems to be trying to back away from his bogus “massacre” accusations: UN envoy denies accusing Israel of massacre in Jenin camp.

At a press conference held Friday at the American Colony hotel in East Jerusalem, United Nations envoy to the Middle East Terje Roed-Larsen said that he had not accused Israel of carrying out a massacre in the Jenin refugee camp, and that he was not yet in possession of all the facts regarding what had happened during the IDF military operation in the Jenin refugee camp, in the West Bank.
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1 Mr. Bones  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:41:47am

Now what are the chances of this comment of Larsen's getting as much attention as his previous comment?

2 Eric the CR  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:42:04am

Isn't this convinient? Now which media outlet is going to put this on their front page? Nobody -- nobody is interested in the truth. The accusations already have made the rounds, but this will end up as a blurb on page A21.

3 Michael Glazer  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:53:53am

its very easy to jump to the wrong conclusion first (always negative against Israel) and then go back. I can count at least on one hand how many times i've heard that just today.

They do this t oincite negative and ill will, make headlines. Then the followign retraction a few days or weeks later is totally ignored.

A good example is the famous NYT photo of the arab with his father caught in the crossfires and then killed. * months later we learned, by the photographer and others, that the kid was shot by the PLO. In my estimation because there were more photographers than PLO and they were all clearly aimign at the huddled kid and father so they the kid for once again negative worldwide incitefull israeli PR.

The shocker isn't that they do this stuff, remember thier ruthless terrorists. The shocker is how easily and quickly the whole world jumps to beleive the negative view of Israel so they can embrace it and use it to meet that vision of thiers.

This quick jump affirms to the PLO thier tactis work, they are encouraged by the Pro-PLO message and approval it sends. It basically says "we beleive you go get them."

That success is the measure and root cause of terrorism.

4 Banana Counting Monkey  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:54:24am

Still, I am encouraged that the UN may be coming on side to reality.

Although I am sure, any accomodation with reality will be a) unwilling b)temporary as possible.

If this conflict (I don't just mean Israel vs Arabs) does become WWIII, then the UN will become the tool of one side or another. I wonder which it will be.

As reflexively anti-american as the UN is, when it becomes obvious that the Islamists cannot win, I expect that the unprincipled rats will scurry to curry favour with the victor. Just enough to save their skins, and then they'll return to their agenda.

5 file13  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 10:02:47am

He'd better be careful... he might just lose his cushy "turn the other way and help smuggle Hizbollah kidnappers out of Israel" job if he doesn't keep parroting what his UN masters tell him to say.

6 Eric the CR  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 10:05:41am

Just looking through the news wires... Nothing on AP or Reuters or DJ...

They are still rehashing the same soundbite from yesterday.

7 Michael Glazer  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 10:19:56am

WWIII was declared on 9.11 the newspapers just forgot to carry "WAR!" as the headline like they did after Pearl harbor in 1941.

This current war is not Israel vs. the arabs it is the Islamists/Leftists versus free civilized societies.

8 Joel Rosenberg  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 10:40:16am

Well, given Terje Roed-Larsen's history of -- at the very least -- engaging in a coverup of Hizbullah use of UNIFIL uniforms and vehicles (my own suspicions are that his involvement is deeper; no evidence) it's hard to take anything he says seriously.

9 Jason Rubenstein  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 10:46:14am

Mr. Glazer, you have hit the nail oh so squarely on the head.

And as far as Larsen's complicity in Nezb activities... I can only hope that between the CIA & the Mossad there is enough intel for someone to really, really squeeze Terje's Norwegian Meatballs when the time is appropriate.

10 Steve Gigl  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 10:56:48am

Just for the record, in case anyone wants some ammo to use against this type of retraction:

Roed-Larsen may not have said "there was a massacre at Jenin," but he certainly was hysterical about it: ( [Link: www.latimes.com...] )

UN special envoy Terje Roed-Larsen, who visited the refugee camp on Thursday, said the devastation was "horrific beyond belief" and he criticised Israel for not allowing rescue teams in after the battle.

And if he didn't directly say that there was a massacre, certain news outlets certainly used his statements to suggest a massacre: ( [Link: www.latimes.com...] )

Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer insisted today that the army took pains to minimize casualties. "We fought from house to house, and from corner to corner," Ben-Eliezer said, adding that the massacre allegations were "simply shameful."

However, Roed-Larsen, who toured the camp Thursday, said he was "horrified beyond belief" by what he saw, and sharply criticized the military for hampering rescue efforts by keeping the camp under curfew for days after fighting ended.

"Not any objective can justify such action, with colossal suffering" to civilians, said Roed-Larsen, walking in a blue flak jacket over ruins of houses.

(Emphasis mine). So, if he didn't really mean to suggest a massacre, he should be saying "That AP writer used my quote to fit his own agenda!"

Oh, and just for completeness' sake, here's another quote, from the Washington Post ( [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...] )

"What we are seeing here is horrifying -- horrifying scenes of human suffering," said Roed-Larsen, who helped shepherd Palestinians and Israelis toward the 1993 Oslo peace accords. "Israel has lost all moral ground in this conflict."

If you want to hear the audio of some of his comments, you can go to [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...] , but Realaudio kept rebuffering and eventually failed for me.

11 Jeff G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 11:12:44am

Hey, all. For those of you interested, I went ahead and posted the text of that subscribers only U.N. piece (by Ruth Wisse) on my site. Minimal gloss. When you're done reading all the stuff Charles has posted, try here.

12 Maine's Michael  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 11:14:06am

Larsen has been nothing but a lying, duplicitous,smarmy sack of nordic arab loving sh** as far as anyone cares to look back.

Nothing can justify what he saw, huh?

I didn't hear of him wading through pools of blood just after the Passover Massacre.

WHy isn't he in Sudan baking his pompous ass anyways, which is acknowledged as the worlds finest hell hole, with lots of genocidal islamic mediated murder and slavery going on as the islamic arab/mullato rulers chop up, rape, and enslave the christian and animist blacks of the south.

Many of them end up as slaves in Saudi Arabia, but that's a whole other story.

Just wanted to say, until I found this and other blogger spaces over the last week, that I was getting seriously ill with repressed anger about the idiocy of the media , the UN and the europeans (especially the french).

This is a nice little outlet.

13 Banana Counting Monkey  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 11:15:17am

I second the Motion: Micheal, you hit the nail on the head. The leftists are on the other side.

14 Michael Glazer  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 11:16:28am

- Maine's Michael - Venting is good.

15 kimberley  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 12:45:34pm

This is the kind of asinine hypocrisy that ravages clarity and plagues politics the world over.
This SOB supplied terrific fodder for an unscrupulous Palestinian leadership, and those who'd love to destroy Israel. But there's more than that... This SOB also persuaded people who respected his authority that Israelis were behaving, by and large, immorally.

I could throttle this guy to within an inch of his life for his unconscionable lack of forsesight.

16 Michael Glazer  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 2:10:59pm

- kimberley - Hear, hear!

17 Eric the CR  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 2:22:02pm

that goes double for me,
kimberly!

18 M. Simon  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 3:08:00pm

Ah, The French!

19 M. Simon  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 3:11:54pm

Jeff G.

The link doesn't work for the R.W. Article

20 Jeff G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 3:26:39pm

M. Simon--

The link is okay -- you probably still can't reach my site, is the problem. Network Solutions did something funky, so protein wisdom's available to some folks and still unreachable by others.

You might try back tomorrow.

21 Maine's Michael  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 3:54:48pm

Chemical Weapons Components found in Arafat's compound.

Deadly bromine canisters found buried in sand under the compound.

Please read the article. It is translated from today's Maariv paper.

Taken at face value, it is monstrous.

[Link: www.imra.org.il...]

I don't know how to embed web addresses into my text. I'll learn, but this is too important.

Perhaps Mr. Turd-Larsen would are to comment.

22 Charles  Fri, Apr 19, 2002 4:11:15pm

Michael: thanks for the link. I’m going to put something on the front page about that.

23 M. Simon  Sat, Apr 20, 2002 4:06:55am

Israel is considering declaring Mr. Larsen PNG

24 Aaron  Sat, Apr 20, 2002 9:50:48am

WWIII was declared on 9.11 the newspapers just forgot to carry "WAR!" as the headline like they did after Pearl harbor in 1941.

Minor nitpick: A number of papers ran headlines of the "ACT OF WAR" type on 9/12. Note the Boston Herald did run the simple headline "WAR" and the New York Daily News went with "IT'S WAR".


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