He resigned in 1968 in disagreement with U.S. support for military dictatorships in Latin America and became one of the first to blow the whistle on the CIA’s activities around the world.

And the new york times is proud to carry on his legacy to this day.

You mean Reuters didn't tell the whole story? I. Am. Shocked.

Rot in hell, you scumbag.

Curiously not feeling sorry about it.

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

Hope it hurt like a motherf**ker before he kicked it.

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashes

the CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

Another glorious chapter in the glorious history of the CIA comes to an end.

Hey, he got 32-33 extra years without a firing squad bullet through the heart or a noose around his neck.

Not bad for a traitor.

To the Left:
I don't understand why you aren't celebrating. Isn't "outing" a CIA "operative" the world's most dastardly crime?

la mierda sucede

He probably would have survived another ten years if not for the inferior Cuban health care system. Paybacks are a bitch.

How many "whistleblowers" hide out in Havana with their Soviet sparrow wives?

re: #9 OldLineTexan

To the Left:
I don't understand why you aren't celebrating. Isn't "outing" a CIA "operative" the world's most dastardly crime?

Only when you can make political hay out of it.

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashes

the CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

Ooooh, I want to read that book.

re: #6 Kozak

Hope it hurt like a motherf**ker before he kicked it.

Best avatar, ever!

I have his book packed away in some box.

He was a bastard of the first order.

What? The superior medical care in Havana could not stop a few perforated ulcers? Michael Moore, call your office.

Memories of long time ago...P-L shuts up.

The Cold War was a b[deleted]

Reuters loves to poke a finger in the eye of democracy. One of the problems with democracy is that we tolerate their intolerant opinions of us.

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashes

the CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

Oh, I just noticed you said, "listening". Is that an audiobook?

the part I'm at now is discussing James Jesus Angleton, the guy Michael Ledeen frequently mentions as his source on the other end of the ouija board
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Legacy of Ashes, history of the CIA
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Like I said on the last thread, I hope he suffered a slow, painful death.

Waiting on nutroots reaction.

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

What is your definition of a " whistle "?

re: #22 JammieWearingFool

Like I said on the last thread, I hope he suffered a slow, painful death.

Waiting on nutroots reaction.

Its going to be a weepy snot fest.

I'll say it again.

May he enjoy the elevator ride down.

re: #23 Nevergiveup

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

What is your definition of a " whistle "?

What's your definition of 'blow'?

There is a special place in hell for him, and Reuters will be able to visit him there

Never had an ulcer, let alone a perforated one.

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashes

the CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

Oh, I just noticed you said, "listening". Is that an audiobook?

yeah, I love listening to Books on Tape, or on CD, during my commute
I don't buy them, just check them out of the library
it's a great way to take in a book
I listened to Moby Dick, unabridged, and the narrator was fantastic

His widow, German ballet dancer Giselle Roberge, told friends he had been in hospital since December 15 and did not survive surgery for perforated ulcers.

His deed has been eating at him for a while, perhaps? Probably drank himself under ... tough to live with yourself after causing this kind of harm to your own country.

Don't question his patriotism!

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #23 Nevergiveup

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

What is your definition of a " whistle "?

What's your definition of 'blow'?

Those are big words for a country still arguing about "is"...

re: #15 coquimbojoe

re: #6 Kozak

Hope it hurt like a motherf**ker before he kicked it.

Best avatar, ever!

Totally! D'oh!

If he had checked into Gitmo for surgery he'd be alive today.

re: #32 OldLineTexan

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #23 Nevergiveup

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

What is your definition of a " whistle "?

What's your definition of 'blow'?

Those are big words for a country still arguing about "is"...

There is no argument about the word 'is', unless you are a Clinton, or a Clinton supporter.

He did not survive surgery for perforated ulcers...

hopefully the result of a swallowed whistle

re: #24 coquimbojoe

You're assuming the Nutroots know who this guy was. Most never got to learn US (or world) history past WWII. Then they only know what happened since they were alive.

re: #34 bulwrk

If he had checked into Gitmo for surgery he'd be alive today.

And he could still be flinging sh&t at agents of the US government.

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is a special place in hell for him, and Reuters will be able to visit him there

Visit him? They manage the place!

re: #30 ctrlL

His widow, German ballet dancer Giselle Roberge, told friends he had been in hospital since December 15 and did not survive surgery for perforated ulcers.

His deed has been eating at him for a while, perhaps? Probably drank himself under ... tough to live with yourself after causing this kind of harm to your own country.

didn't Castro have similar trouble a while back?
I guess Agee didn't get the Spanish Drs to come help, like Castro got

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashes

the CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

I just finish that book. The author gives a rather devastating indictment of the CIA and it's ability or inability to properly keep the The President informed. Of course in the case of President Bush, the agency wasn't at fault, it was Bush and The Bush administrations fault for putting pressure on the CIA. That kinda of intellectual bullshit and political bias by the author pretty much sunk the book for me!

Traitor dies; Reuters mourns.

Is anyone here surprised?

re: #34 bulwrk

If he had checked into Gitmo for surgery he'd be alive today.

/Cuba has the best medical care in the world.

re: #35 coquimbojoe

re: #32 OldLineTexan

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #23 Nevergiveup

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

What is your definition of a " whistle "?

What's your definition of 'blow'?

Those are big words for a country still arguing about "is"...

There is no argument about the word 'is', unless you are a Clinton, or a Clinton supporter.

There are plenty of both still, yes?

I'll bet he is regretting his decision now...bastard traitor.

Traitors, nihilist Leftists never understood betrayal until it happens them. Then they become foaming at the mouth narcissists calling for blood.

re: #34 bulwrk

If he had checked into Gitmo for surgery he'd be alive today.

Then I'm glad he didn't

re: #29 friarstale

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashesthe CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

Oh, I just noticed you said, "listening". Is that an audiobook?

yeah, I love listening to Books on Tape, or on CD, during my commute
I don't buy them, just check them out of the library
it's a great way to take in a book
I listened to Moby Dick, unabridged, and the narrator was fantastic

Who "reads" Legacy of Ashes (whose voice reads the audiobook)?

skin him. inflate the hide. and use it as a raft to row to florida.

re: #37 bianchi_roadie

re: #24 coquimbojoe

You're assuming the Nutroots know who this guy was. Most never got to learn US (or world) history past WWII. Then they only know what happened since they were alive.

They will see that he betrayed this country - which will equal great patriotism in their minds - and they will discuss his greatness with feigned knowledge.

In my mind, he betrayed this country, Americans died and American interests were harmed. Good riddance.

The bad news for Agee (not revealed in any book): Hell is run by the CIA.

re: #44 OldLineTexan

Yes. Sadly, yes.

re: #50 varmint

skin him. inflate the hide. and use it as a raft to row to florida.

Or as a sail for a boat, to sail to Florida.

Whistle Blower? When you are a whistle blower you take it to the authorities to reveal unauthorized actions or illegalities. These were authorized operations.

Speaking of operations, I see Agee died of an overdose of the reputed Cuban stomach surgery unit. Paging Michael Moore. Stomach reduction surgery for cheap.

Once he was a child with hopes and dreams. He's chum in the fink tank now.

Perforated ulcer? Probably leading to peritonitis? Yeah, he was definitely going through some serious pain there. "Karma" is a b***.

I guess that fine Cuban healthcare system Michael Moore's so high on couldn't help this traitorous prick.

#41 Nevergiveup 1/09/08 9:35:12 am

Of course in the case of President Bush, the agency wasn't at fault, it was Bush and The Bush administrations fault for putting pressure on the CIA. That kinda of intellectual bullshit and political bias by the author pretty much sunk the book for me!

actually, I find the author quite critical of Bush, and I'm only halfway through
he has several times likened intelligence failures of the past to the conduct of the Bush administration prior to Gulf War 2
the author doesn't seem pro-W at all to me

There is a special place for him in hell, right next to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and Benedict Arnold.

re: #56 chinesearithmetic

Once he was a child with hopes and dreams. He's chum in the fink tank now.

Even the carp won't touch him.

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is a special place in hell for him, and Reuters will be able to visit join him there

Fixed that for ya.

Another triumph for Cuban Health Care.

Whistleblower?

Just more proof as to which side the MSM are on. And, specifically to Reuters, proof that they are still not beyond photoshopping or modifying something to carry their agenda.

I would guess with their love for the hard left and anti-Americanism, the hot duty spots for al Reuters journalists and management would Havana, Caracas, Tehran, Damascus, etc.

re: #37 bianchi_roadie

re: #24 coquimbojoe

You're assuming the Nutroots know who this guy was. Most never got to learn US (or world) history past WWII. Then they only know what happened since they were alive last week Tuesday, give or take a day.

Fixed that for ya. :)

Philip Agee: whistle-blower

Jack the Ripper: misogynist

Hitler: anti-semite

Titanic: unseaworthy

Lee Harvey Oswald: rifleman

Osama bin Laden: militant

re: #48 Ward Cleaver

not sure, it's out in my car, but it's probably this one by Stefan Rudnicki
[Link: www.learnoutloud.com...]

(not sure if it wd be released by more than one recorded book company at the same time)

Yes and I am sure that Reuters thinks that Philby, Burgess, and Maclean were whistle blowers as well.

Agee told Swiss journalist Peter Studer that “The CIA is plainly on the wrong side, that is, the capitalistic side. I approve KGB activities, communist activities in general. Between the overdone activities that the CIA initiates and the more modest activities of the KGB, there is absolutely no comparison.”

what a pig!

Well, may that asshole burn in hell.

Oh, and by the way, f**k Reuters.

re: #59 friarstale

#41 Nevergiveup 1/09/08 9:35:12 am

Of course in the case of President Bush, the agency wasn't at fault, it was Bush and The Bush administrations fault for putting pressure on the CIA. That kinda of intellectual bullshit and political bias by the author pretty much sunk the book for me!

actually, I find the author quite critical of Bush, and I'm only halfway through
he has several times likened intelligence failures of the past to the conduct of the Bush administration prior to Gulf War 2
the author doesn't seem pro-W at all to me

That is what I meant. He lambastes the CIA for it's intelligence failures since it's inception. Then without any evidence at all, and even in my opinion contrary to all available evidence, he lays what HE BELIEVES to be diplomatic and military failures at Bush's feet. He obviously has an Axe to grind against Bush. It calls into question the entire veracity of his book.

re: #60 Kreuzueber Halbmond

There is a special place for him in hell, right next to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and Benedict Arnold.

Don't forget Jonathon Pollard...

re: #48 Ward Cleaver

re: #29 friarstale

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashesthe CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

Oh, I just noticed you said, "listening". Is that an audiobook?

yeah, I love listening to Books on Tape, or on CD, during my commute
I don't buy them, just check them out of the library
it's a great way to take in a book
I listened to Moby Dick, unabridged, and the narrator was fantastic

Who "reads" Legacy of Ashes (whose voice reads the audiobook)?

Someone named Stefan Rudnicki.

I just started the audio version around Xmas - listen as I work out. I was curious as to how the Agency would be judged over the last 15-20 years...

re: #25 lowgamma

I'll say it again.

May he enjoy the elevator ride down.

'Sublevel 5 - Old 8-track tape and betamax players ... Sublevel 350 - 70s Disco Music ... Sublevel 666 - Traitors, Spies, and old worn-out Communists - oh, sir; this is your stop.'

re: #37 bianchi_roadie

re: #24 coquimbojoe

You're assuming the Nutroots know who this guy was. Most never got to learn US (or world) history past WWII. Then they only know what happened since they were alive.

They don't even know what happened recently, if they read and believe the MSM. Like they probably believe the Israeli "repression" is the cause of pali terrorism instead of the result.

re: #41 Nevergiveup

re: #7 friarstale

a good book I'm listening to now is Legacy of Ashes

the CIA had a lot of problems, but leave it to Reuters to call a double agent a "whistle blower"

I just finish that book. The author gives a rather devastating indictment of the CIA and it's ability or inability to properly keep the The President informed. Of course in the case of President Bush, the agency wasn't at fault, it was Bush and The Bush administrations fault for putting pressure on the CIA. That kinda of intellectual bullshit and political bias by the author pretty much sunk the book for me!

In that case, I won't buy it - but I will probably check it out of the library. I'll save my financial support for intellectually honest authors.

Agee, 72, died on Monday night, the newspaper said, calling him a “loyal friend of Cuba and staunch defender of the people’s struggle for a better world.”

Now the POS is a loyal friend of the Devil, just like most of the MSM.

/Their time will come...

Why did this asshole get to live in what passes for freedom in Cuba, while Pollard is still rotting in prison?

re: #73 Athos

It is actually pretty thin over the last 20 years.

Hell, Roto-Reuters only hit this site a dozen times yesterday, think what flushing this story will do.

re: #66 BuddyG

Now, now - the Titanic was seaworthy. She just wasn't equipped to run at top speed, in the dark, in iceberg-infested waters.

Get ready for a spike in Che t-shirt sales...

Well - at least the America-fucker is dead.

His book “Inside the Company: CIA Diary” revealed the names of agents in Latin America and was published in 27 languages.

He deserved to be indicted for reckless endangerment once for each agent he outed, and for murder for each agent that died as a result of his "whistle-blowing."

And the same applies to the New York Times, the newspaper that publishes, "All the news that they feel is fit to print."

DEAD =Good. Bout as simply put as I can make it.

resigned because of the CIA support for dictatorships, then runs and hides in cuba.
-don't they do IQ tests before hiring these boobs, or was it just because he spoke spanish?

. Word definitions for the editors at Reuters:

whistle- blower n.
One who reveals wrongdoing within an organization to the public or to those in positions of authority:
Example: 'The Pentagon's most famous whistleblower is . . . hoping to get another chance to search for government waste' (Washington Post).
//The American Heritage Dictionary

traitor n.
A person who changes to the enemy's side or gives away information to the enemy.
Example: 'He was a traitor to his country.'
// Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary

weasel n.
Any of various carnivorous mammals of the genus Mustela, having a long slender body, a long tail, short legs, and brownish fur that in many species turns white in winter.
A person regarded as sneaky or treacherous.
Example: 'The editors at Reuters are a bunch of lying weasels.'
// The American Heritage Dictionary

re: #41 Nevergiveup

I'm trying to play catch-up. I hate it when work interferes with posting.

That's disappointing. The early part shows real promise for an intellectually honest approach. It's like a book I recently finished - 'Statecraft' by Dennis Ross. I thought it would be an unbiased and level approach at the issues of statecraft using a number of major events / issues since the late 80's as a model. When it came to the discussion around Iraq in 2002-3 and an analysis of the war - the sources cited were all strictly onesided - and BDS based. Combined with the style and pace of watching paint dry it was not a good read. Bolton's book was far better and more informative...but of course, to the left, anyone who supports Bolton is a neanderthal...

re: #79 Nevergiveup

re: #73 Athos

It is actually pretty thin over the last 20 years.

And Hewitt liked it...Weiner gave a good interview on Hewitt's program too.

Weiner must have depended on Tenet for most of his information over the last 20 years...I will need to visit the library to check the notes / sources to see if I finish it.

"Whistle blower" is left-wing code speak for "good and proper anti-American nark".

"Barbara Bush, in her memoirs, accused Agee of blowing the cover of the CIA Station Chief in Greece, Richard Welch, who was assassinated outside his Athens residence in 1975. Agee sued the former first lady and Mrs. Bush withdrew the statement from additional printings of her book."

I don't get this shit... A traitor... why did they just revoke his passport? Why didn't they trial him for treason at home, why didn't they give him the death penalty? Since when traitors get to sue the first lady (or whomever) for basically calling them traitors? Before WW2 they would have had him hanged immediately!

re: #60 Kreuzueber Halbmond

...right next to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg...

Wish they hadn't been Jewish...

Somehow, in the end, I think it was the "excellent" Cuban health care system that did him in and that's a shame. Where's Mr. Moore when you need some reassurance that the Cuban system is still ok.

re: #23 Nevergiveup

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

How many times did he blow Castro's "whistle"?

What is your definition of a " whistle "?

Whistle Dick. Officers who were easy to suck up to in the Army were called that. More specifically ones who took sexual favors.

Thank you, Charles, for posting this. I believe what Agee did to his fellow Americans--causing their death across the globe, leading to critical loss of intelligence in places we needed it--added to our country's loss of confidence and ultimately to the election of another US-blaming "seeker" --Jdhimmy Carter's presidency. Motto: We are the problem.

Has the left made the Plame comparison yet?

Where is this bastard being buried?
Not here (U.S.), I hope.

Ha! kinda funny this nefarious traitor met his end in the workers paradise,great health care etc. My great grandfather died of the same thing...IN 1937! so much for that wonderful system the nutroots tout as superior to our own.
and from what my father said it is painful and it is a very ugly
way to die so some of you guys should rest easy knowing he didnt die well. Oh btw howdy lizards been a while since ive posted good to see you old lizards, and some of the new hatchlings! If any of that weasels fellow littermates read my humble post: I have no words of condolence or kindness just a bitter taste in my mouth that i'm compelled to expectorate in your direction so move aside!

DKos has probably lowered their nutroot flag to half mast.

I'll repeat here what I wrote at Rantburg: When Cuba is free again, somebody related to Richard Welch needs to go there and piss on Agee's grave.

re: #96 Silhouette

Has the left made the Plame comparison yet?

The MSNBC article on this bastard's death quotes him as saying about Plame, "This is entirely different than what I was doing in the 1970's. This is pure dirty politics in my opinion."

So, there are 'nuances' to being a traitor. Doing it openly (while cowering and hiding in Havana), it appears, is good.

Frankly, there is little difference between Plame and this traitor, IMO. Both were motivated by ideology and violated their oaths.

re: #100 joncelli

I'll repeat here what I wrote at Rantburg: When Cuba is free again, somebody related to Richard Welch needs to go there and piss on Agee's grave.

That might a line I would be willing to stand in...

EVERY GOV'T SPY'S ON EVERY OTHER GOV'T AMERICA SPYS ON ISRAEL ALL THE TIME the only thing the Israeli's did wrong was to use a American citizen to do it. and Pollard has been in jail for a lot longer than those who's act REALLY HARMED AMERICA. now if America had given Israel all it knew on Arab terrorists getting support in America Israel would have had no need to try to get the info itself.

the biggest canard used by the anti Semitic right in America is the Liberty case which was America spying on Israel.

re: #78 Kosh's Shadow

republicans and democrats agree that spying for israel is wrong. republicans think spying for communists is wrong. democrats aren't so sure. there is a strong political component in nailing someone for treason. look at the mccarthy cases, or jane fonda. it requires a level of bipartisanship.

re: #99 Oh no...Sand People!

DKos has probably lowered their nutroot flag to half mast.

You are correct!

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for revealing the dirty, bloody and downright evil things our intelligence agencies do. He was blamed for the killing of an agent in Greece whom he allegedly ( I don't remember the facts) outed. But much of what he wrote and talked about was known outside of the USA, where US personnel are routinely suspected of being CIA, and America's M.O. is understood in a much more cynical light.

The right was shocked and horrified at his terrible betrayal.

Fast foward.

Valerie Plame became a pariah for carrying out the real, legitimate role of undercover intelligence -- searching out facts that could really protect us and our allies from proliferation involving state - and non-state sponsored terrorism .

The right thought this was just hunky-dory.

Rest in peace, Phil.

For the rest of us, not so much.

It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

by sayitaintso on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:10:09 AM PST

the delicious irony is he was killed by Soviet medicine!

Agee: "Where's my 72 virgins?"

what would one bet that his "Whistle blowing" was motivated more out of total selfishness, than some self perceived noble cause.

Scumbags like him have only one priority... Themselves
all of most infamous traitors share that exact same trait.

Seems he did not have the stomach to stay alive anymore.
consider the herd thinned.

re: #102 Athos

re: #100 joncelli

I'll repeat here what I wrote at Rantburg: When Cuba is free again, somebody related to Richard Welch needs to go there and piss on Agee's grave.

That might a line I would be willing to stand in...

The article was a good read on my coffee break. The bastard who shot Richard Welch, Giotopoulos, had the gall to snicker "Greece is a colony of the USA" right after the convictions were read. An omission of guilt in my book since he denied 963 charges against him.

re: #103 yochanan

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a U.S. Navy intelligence ship, USS Liberty, in international waters about 12.5 nautical miles (23 km) from the coast of the Sinai Peninsula, north of El Arish, by Israeli fighter planes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967.

What are you confused about now yochanan?

oh no flame war in 3...2...1

It's just too bad his perforations didn't come from a US firing squad. No matter, he's worm food.

(channeling Markos MoultingBrains) Screw 'em!

(switching channels to Gaza Mustafa, Disney's Hamasnik Channel) The Traitor, he dies! ulululululululuh! (passes out candy to all passersby)

re: #110 experiencedtraveller

Oh, it's those darn pesky Joooz again, huh?

After all the huffing and puffing about Valarie Plame, which was over 5 years after she was not an officer and (hopefully after all that time) didn't put anyone in danger, you'd think that these people would be up in arms about what a monster Agee was. They even used Agee's getting others killed to denounce the Plame "outing".

If Agee really believed the crap he spewed, he'd have blown whistles without revealing names and getting people killed. But he didn't care about people's lives, he loved the idea of "mankind" more than he loved his fellow man.

re: #114 Spiny Norman

re: #110 experiencedtraveller

Oh, it's those darn pesky Joooz again, huh?

Speak for yourself. If defending Israel is the intention then there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

Yelling to free a convicted spy and traitor and obfuscating an attack on an American warship and linking any commentary about the issue to "anti Semitic right" is the WRONG way to do it.

What happened to the superiority of Cuban medicine? According to Michael Moore this guy should not have died at such a young age.

re: #101 Athos

Thanks. I was guessing the lefty bloggers would bring it up, but it was right in the source piece. I was specifically refering to comparing Agee's exposing American secrets and causing death and suffering, for ideological reasons, to the LLL's belief that Plame was "outed" by Bush/Cheney/Rove, endangering her life, for politcal payback.

How many American patriots, and patriots of other nations who did not want to be overrun by the Soviet Empire did this piece of dogcrap send to their graves?

No mourning from me

re: #118 Silhouette

re: #101 Athos

Thanks. I was guessing the lefty bloggers would bring it up, but it was right in the source piece. I was specifically refering to comparing Agee's exposing American secrets and causing death and suffering, for ideological reasons, to the LLL's belief that Plame was "outed" by Bush/Cheney/Rove, endangering her life, for politcal payback.

I would think that the left's lack of comment over his death, or more likely their future 'condemnation' of us for crowing over his death, to be the basis of more items on how 'twisted' we are. That's when the moral equivilance will come in...and the calls for sympathy that he had to live in exile...

re: #116 experiencedtraveller

re: #114 Spiny Norman

re: #110 experiencedtraveller

Oh, it's those darn pesky Joooz again, huh?

Speak for yourself. If defending Israel is the intention then there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
tragic
Yelling to free a convicted spy and traitor and obfuscating an attack on an American warship and linking any commentary about the issue to "anti Semitic right" is the WRONG way to do it.

If Jonathan Pollard is a "traitor", then Israel must be an enemy of the United States, right? Giving classified material to an ally without permission is illegal, but certainly not "traitorous". And as much as you might want to publicly deny it, the "Liberty Incident" is all but holy writ to the anti-semitic Right. The Israeli government has apologized for that tragic incident, a clear and demonstrable case of mistaken identity, many times over, but some people will never let it go -- yourself included, apparently.

I'm related to Richard Welch. He was my father. Thank you Charles for highlighting this story.

All of the above comments have heartened me today. It is 32 years since my father's murder and it seems like yesterday. As a family we have had so many questions about why Agee was still free and our father was dead at the age of 46.

Richard Welch was a patriot, honorable and brave. He loved animals, had a great sense of humor and was a Greek scholar. Ironic that an irishman could be so taken with Greek Civilization and that it would be a Greek who ended his life (with the help of men like Agee).

We miss him.

Molly Welch-Ball

it is true that anti-semites love to talk about the liberty incident. it is also true that racists love to talk about O.J. this does really not work as a defense of O.J.

back to the original point. saying that agee escaped justice as a way of asking for leniency for pollard doesn't really work for me. saying that he spied for israel gets a tenth of a percent of sympathy. twenty-thirty years in prison sounds about fair.

re: #122 tillsville

My heartfelt condolences. Your father was an honorable man, and the fact that a genuine traitor like Philip Agee was able to escape justice for so long is appalling.

re: #121 Spiny Norman

I agree that "traitor" is probably too strong a term to apply to Pollard. But about the Liberty incident, I thought yochanon is the one who brought it up, not experiencedtraveller.

Also, yochanon seems to think the US is obliged to provide its allies with whatever intelligence they want. Personally, I'd advise any Israel supporter against that position, since the US's allies also include Egypt and Saudi Arabia, among others.

FWIW, I do believe the attack on the Liberty was a friendly fire accident. A deliberate attack on the US, especially in the middle of a war for survival, just doesn't make sense.

re: #122 tillsville

when the histories are written, your father will be remember as an american hero.

i hope agee lived long enough to realize he'd betrayed his country in service of an evil and failed ideology.

re: #122 tillsville

Ms. Ball, I reported your comment to Charles, but in a good way. I think he'd like to see it and maybe put it in the thread as an update.

Thank you for you father's service.

Agee is scum. I'm fairly young, but read his bilge back in college. I was grounded enough (thank the parents) for knowing left wing b.s. propaganda when I saw it, however. I'm afraid that the CIA has leaned toward his viewpoint, unfortunately.

re: #122 tillsville

I salute your father.

I regret that Agee was not tried and convicted, but instead was suffered to live out his days in relative freedom.

(My religion tells me that all human beings have value. But in some cases, I cannot for the life of me figure out what that value could possibly be.)

re: #123 varmint

Some pertinent facts you may not be aware of:

1. Jonathan Pollard was a civilian American Naval intelligence analyst. In the mid 1980's (circa 1983-1984), Pollard discovered that information vital to Israel's security was being deliberately withheld by certain elements within the U.S. national security establishment.

2. Israel was legally entitled to this vital security information according to a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between the two countries.

3. The information being withheld from Israel included Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities - being developed for use against Israel. It also included information on ballistic missile development by these countries and information on planned terrorist attacks against Israeli civilian targets.

(...)

9. Jonathan Pollard fulfilled his end of the plea agreement, cooperating fully with the prosecution.

10. Nevertheless, Pollard received a life sentence and a recommendation that he never be paroled - in complete violation of the plea agreement he had reached with the government.

11. Jonathan Pollard was never indicted for harming the United States.

12. Jonathan Pollard was never indicted for compromising codes, agents, or war plans.

13. Jonathan Pollard was never charged with treason. [Legally, treason is a charge that is only applicable when one spies for an enemy state in time of war.]

14. Jonathan Pollard was indicted on only one charge: one count of passing classified information to an ally, without intent to harm the United States.

15. Prior to sentencing, then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger delivered a 46-page classified memorandum to the sentencing judge. Since then, neither Pollard nor any of his cleared attorneys have ever been allowed to access the memorandum to challenge the false charges it contains-a clear violation of Pollard's constitutional rights.

The day before sentencing, Weinberger delivered a four-page supplemental memorandum to the sentencing judge. In it, he falsely accused Pollard of treason. Also in the supplemental memorandum, Weinberger advocated a life sentence in clear violation of Pollard's plea agreement. The implication that follows from Weinberger's false characterization of Pollard's offense as "treason" is that the country Pollard served, Israel, is an enemy state.

16. No one else in the history of the United States has ever received a life sentence for passing classified information to an ally - only Jonathan Pollard. The median sentence for this offense is two to four years. Even agents who have committed far more serious offenses on behalf of hostile nations have not received such a harsh sentence.

Pollard has already served his time. Enough is enough.

re: #122 tillsville

I'm related to Richard Welch. He was my father. Thank you Charles for highlighting this story.

All of the above comments have heartened me today. It is 32 years since my father's murder and it seems like yesterday. As a family we have had so many questions about why Agee was still free and our father was dead at the age of 46.

Richard Welch was a patriot, honorable and brave. He loved animals, had a great sense of humor and was a Greek scholar. Ironic that an irishman could be so taken with Greek Civilization and that it would be a Greek who ended his life (with the help of men like Agee).

We miss him.

Molly Welch-Ball

My condolences to you and your family.

Rest assured that if justice is not delivered in this world, it is clearly provided in the next. Agee is paying for his crimes.

re: #130 Spiny Norman

Good post, thanks for the cogent recitation of the facts.

re: #125 lurking faith

re: #121 Spiny Norman

Also, yochanon seems to think the US is obliged to provide its allies with whatever intelligence they want. Personally, I'd advise any Israel supporter against that position, since the US's allies also include Egypt and Saudi Arabia, among others.

Actually, in some cases regarding Israel's security, we are. See point "2" in my comment #130.

re: #121 Spiny Norman

Mince words all you want about Pollard. He rightfully remains in prison.

Review the thread and learn who introduced the Liberty Incident which has been researched exhaustively here and here.

I leave all talk about the 'anti-Semitic right' and 'holy writ' to you and yo.

Well, I hope they bring his body back to the US for proper burial...so I can piss on his grave.

He resigned in 1968 in disagreement with U.S. support for military dictatorships in Latin America

Then what in the hell was he doing in Cuba?

re: #132 Athos

re: #130 Spiny Norman

Good post, thanks for the cogent recitation of the facts.

Somone else posted that link here a long time ago, and it has been very useful. While that website is unabashedly pro-Pollard, the items on that list are cold, hard facts that can be verified. Pollard broke the law, but US security agencies withholding critical information was a violation of the MoU.

I suppose Pollard would have been better off if he'd been a "whistleblower" and gone over his superiors' heads, rather than delivering the information himself.

what a fitting end for the traitor: perforated gut in a 3rd world country.

Espionage statutes do NOT differentiate between adversaries and allies.

Speaking of dead leftists, has anybody else noticed that lately when some stinking old commie rat from the last century kicks off, the MSM (particularly the LA Times) runs an obit praising them for their "progressive activism" and never mentions their Communist Party membership? What does that tell us about today's "progressives"?

re: #136 Uncle BigBad

He resigned in 1968 in disagreement with U.S. support for military dictatorships in Latin America

Then what in the hell was he doing in Cuba?

Exactly. His problem was with capitalism, not dictatorships. He said so himself.

re: #134 experiencedtraveller

re: #121 Spiny Norman

Mince words all you want about Pollard. He rightfully remains in prison.

Review the thread and learn who introduced the Liberty Incident which has been researched exhaustively here and here.

I leave all talk about the 'anti-Semitic right' and 'holy writ' to you and yo.

So you agree with the antisemitic Right that Israel is an enemy state? That would be the only reason Pollard would have deserved a life sentence.

Where is the traitor going to be buried? Just curious ...as I'd like to go piss on his grave.

The United States Attorney arranged a plea-bargain with Pollard: he would plead guilty to the one count of passing classified information to an ally without intent to harm the United States. There would be no trial, and no risk of classified information being disclosed in court. In return, the government said it would not seek the maximum sentence. The trial judge warned Pollard, however, that he could still receive a life sentence.4 Pollard nevertheless pled guilty on June 4, 1986.

Before sentencing, and in violation of the plea agreement, Pollard and his wife Anne gave defiant media interviews in which they defended their spying, and attempted to rally American Jews to their cause. In a 60 Minutes interview, Anne said, “I feel my husband and I did what we were expected to do, and what our moral obligation was as Jews, what our moral obligation was as human beings, and I have no regrets about that.”

Also prior to sentencing, Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger submitted a 46-page classified memorandum to the judge outlining the damage to U.S. national security done by Pollard. Contrary to some accounts, Wolf Blitzer reported that Pollard and his attorneys were permitted to read it and draft a response.5 Weinberger called for severe punishment and the memo is widely cited as a major reason that the judge ultimately sentenced Pollard to life in prison for espionage.

Reposting for Spiny who aparently took a stupid pill today:

Espionage statutes do NOT differentiate between adversaries and allies.

wait he died in a Cuban Hospital? But I thought Michelle Moore said Cuba had a better health care system than the US...S/he wont be liking this very much.

re: #145 experiencedtraveller

Reposting for Spiny who aparently took a stupid pill today:

Espionage statutes do NOT differentiate between adversaries and allies.

Sentencing guidelines do, however. The crime he committed, passing classified information to an ally, usually got 2 to 4 years. Only "treason", betraying one's county to an enemy in the time of war, gets life.

Take your "stupid pill" and choke on it.

re: #52 Pawn of the Oppressor

Hell is run by the CIA

You must have missed the memo. They've outsourced it to Blackwater.

I went to the Reuters "Contact Us" page and wrote:
___
Many people find your misuse of the English language contemptible.

You might be interested (and get some sick mirth) in the hundreds of angry comments at the blog LittleGreenFootballs:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

As the old saying goes: "One man's traitor is another man's Reuters whistle-blower".

-- Fritz Katz

"His widow, German ballet dancer Giselle Roberge, told friends he had been in hospital since December 15 and did not survive surgery for perforated ulcers."

And if Hillary gets her way w/Universal "Healthcare", more and more people in this country will die from routine procedures too.

re: #147 Spiny Norman

How interesting of Spiny Norman!

1. Irrationally defending a convicted felon serving a life sentence.
2. Wishing someone's death.

I am ashamed to say I bought his book when it came out and thought I was cool for doing so. It was actually a pretty boring book. I have since grown up.

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, in the 50's Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were sentenced to death for passing information to a then ally.

The espionage statue does not differentiate between friend and foe.

The statute gives the sentencing judge a wide latitude in terms of the sentence. Sentences can range from "a number or years to life or death". It is solely at the discretion of the judge and the judge is not necessarily bound by any plea agreements. Hanging judges are not unknown (Remember "Maximum John" Sirica and the Watergate Trials?).

Treason is the only crime mentioned in the Constitution and because of the need for witnesses, etc., it has been a vary rarely used basis for a criminal prosecution.

re: #151 experiencedtraveller

re: #147 Spiny Norman

How interesting of Spiny Norman!

1. Irrationally defending a convicted felon serving a life sentence.

Did I ever claim he was innocent of the crime he plead guilty to? No, I said he has served far more time than anyone else in his position and enough is enough. That's hardly "irrational".

2. Wishing someone's death.

"Choke on it" is pretty weak for "wishing someone's death", so how's this:

FOAD.

re: #122 tillsville

I'm related to Richard Welch. He was my father. Thank you Charles for highlighting this story.

All of the above comments have heartened me today. It is 32 years since my father's murder and it seems like yesterday. As a family we have had so many questions about why Agee was still free and our father was dead at the age of 46.

Richard Welch was a patriot, honorable and brave. He loved animals, had a great sense of humor and was a Greek scholar. Ironic that an irishman could be so taken with Greek Civilization and that it would be a Greek who ended his life (with the help of men like Agee).

We miss him.

Molly Welch-Ball

Dear Molly Welsh-Ball,

Please accept my condolences.

You already know, I'm sure, that your father's value and life are eternally good. Cowards like Agee leave an eternal legacy too: Evil. Your father's goodness has the ultimate upper hand. Among other things, Agee's rabid 'anti-capitalism' certainly knew no bounds when he sued Barbara Bush for millions - and sued in order to suppress the truth.

You write beautifully. I wonder if you've thought about writing a tribute to your father?

re: #140 infidel Alan

That is common in the MSM - hiding 'annoying' facts. The LA Daily News, the #2 paper in LA, and 85% comprised of NY Times and AP articles, (therefore only marginally 'better' than the LA Times) published in the A section last fall a 1/3rd page obit on the death of an Irishman - the last veteran of the Irish Civil War, a life-long member of the IRA...until they weren't radical enough for him and he lept to the Provisional IRA and stayed there until he lept to another fringe group when the Provisional IRA agreed to peace terms.

Not one mention that this bastard was a life long terrorist or what the groups he proudly belonged to did.

I was surprised they printed my letter to the editor complaining of their salute to this bastard.

re: #153 grumpy old codger

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, in the 50's Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were sentenced to death for passing information to a then ally.

It would be a real stretch to call the USSR an ally after September 1945.

re: #154 Spiny Norman

Call the waaambulance you sound ill.

Goodbye.

Traitorous scumbag, accomplice to murder, stalinist, and weasel. That should be a fitting memorial.

re: #157 Athos
The data was passed prior to that date, when the USSR. It was for this reason the were tried under the Espionage Act and not that Atomic Secrets Act.
Your point about calling them an ally, however, is moot. The statute doesn't differentiate between friendly or unfriendly nations. Passing info to any other state is forbidden.

To Mr. Agee: the greatest dishonor I know is to say

May you live forever.

Raises head from foxhole and breathes in (sssnnnfff),mmm flamey goodness! goes back in hole.

re: #10 Shug

la mierda sucede

I couldn't agree more, Shug.

Is anyone seriously surprised that the MSM would glorify this piece of dog excrement? They love dictators, fascists, murdering asshats and those useful idiots that support them too much to do otherwise. Hell, they glorify Che Guevara, and that man died with more innocent blood on his hands than the terrorists had after 9/11/01.

the Mainstream Media is absolutely useless nowadays for any sort of rational, unbiased reporting. That's why I don't watch the news anymore.

That's What We Call The News

re: #37 bianchi_roadie

I agree, most of the Kos Kiddies sucking the bong in Mommy's basement have no clue who this SOB Agee is and the damage he did.

This was an evil, bitter, inadequate, disgusting human being, a traitor to his country, and a man who stabbed his comrades in the back. He will not be missed in my corner of the world. There is nothing mitigating here.

re: #164 extrabob

re: #37 bianchi_roadie

I agree, most of the Kos Kiddies sucking the bong in Mommy's basement have no clue who this SOB Agee is and the damage he did.

Witness the power of the Nanny State in action! This idiocy and "sheeple" attitude is what government controlled schooling teaches your children.

Most people on the Left don't have any idea really about who the people are that they glorify. It's far easier (and safer) to have someone else hold their hand and tell them what is good and what is bad, rather than actually stand up, do the research and come to their own conclusions about things. They just keep sucking down whatever BS is fed them by the socialists and the Marxists that now control the "Liberal" movement in this country. That way, they can refer to the "talking points" of their so-called beliefs, rather than actually having to form a cogent argument in defense of a truly held conviction that is the result of careful study. That's why when you argue with a Liberal, and you hit a point that they cannot argue against, they become uncomfortable and resort to ad hominem and tu quoque attacks against you, your sources and your points of view.

Reading the various online apologetics for Agee today has reminded me of the consistency of message in the left wing propaganda stylebook. It's only the 'right wing' governments who are said to have 'brutal' dictatorships and 'death squads.' It's on the other side of the political divide that we find 'dear leaders' and 'the people's justice.'

I hope he enjoyed his workers' paradise before he checked out.

re: #165 Cattt

This was an evil, bitter, inadequate, disgusting human being, a traitor to his country, and a man who stabbed his comrades in the back. He will not be missed in my corner of the world. There is nothing mitigating here.

* * *
The good news is America wouldn't vote for Agee's fellow-traveler in the US Senate, Jean Francois Kerry, who while in navy uniform, met with the enemy's Viet Cong leaders in Paris, wrote a book in which he likened his his fellow soldiers to Ghengis Khan in terms of brutality, threw his military medals away, blamed America first for A through Z, met with Syrian dictator Bashar Al Assad, etc., then expected kudos from his fellow & an easy election to his nation's highest office.

What's scary is the generation of disillusioned McGovernite Agee-bots still with us, vying for public office today.

re: #160 grumpy old codger

Yes, the unauthorized release of classified information to any source is illegal. That applies to Pollard just as well as it does to whomever leaked classified information to the New York times. The crime is the release of classified data...and in the case of the NY Times, publishing that classified information which to me is one in the same.

However in sentencing, the judge does have leeway in defining the punishment based on circumstances. What Spiny Norman pointed out, and I agree with, is that Pollard's sentence is excessive given the circumstances.

I don't have access to the classified materials in the case so my viewpoint is based on what I see / know. It's possible that this information may cause me to re-examine my position.

It's not the same as asking for a pardon - Pollard would remain a convicted felon for the unauthorized release of classified information even if he morally believes he did the right thing. But a commutation to time served would be warranted, IMO.

re: #158 experiencedtraveller

re: #154 Spiny Norman

Call the waaambulance you sound ill.

Goodbye.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

re: #167 jaunte

Reading the various online apologetics for Agee today has reminded me of the consistency of message in the left wing propaganda stylebook. It's only the 'right wing' governments who are said to have 'brutal' dictatorships and 'death squads.' It's on the other side of the political divide that we find 'dear leaders' and 'the people's justice.'

* * *

Agee's fellow-travellers in Spain, Zapatero's socialist government there that recognizes Cuba, recently threatened the Catholic Church, removes statues of Generalisimo Franco's time AT NIGHT, and generally tries to create a worker's paradise employing the left's tactics--mandatory political re-education classes, etc., where the Spanish Civil War is reframed and re-written to show the left & Stalin's folks as the good guys who deserve to be celebrated today.

Thank heaven King Juan Carlos at least told Venezuela's dictator & Fidel's best friend, to shut up to his face.

When will the media stop using "the people's struggle" and "working class" and start using the more accurate "socialist fight" and "union-friendly?"

It's really getting tiring.

If the guy hated military dictatorships, then what in the hell was he doing in Cuba? My guess, that like all good socialists, his problem was not will the dictatorships, but US support. But, what would make this a whistleblower? Hypocrite would be more like it.

re: #172 alegrias

Can you provide examples of this new Spanish curriculum? I had no idea this sort of crap was happening outside of the attempted quashing of Basque national identity. Are they starting in E.G.B. or is it B.U.P. when the brainwashing begins?

I hope he lingered for a long time before he finally died.

I wonder how many people died because of him? I wonder how many of them were American's doing their best for our country? I had a relative who worked for the CIA in latin American countries, if he had died because of this traitors actions, I know I would have been very upset.

re: #125 lurking faith

The US does have an obligation to provide their allies with information if they have made an agreement to do so. The US had such an agreement with Israel and decided not to send the information anyway(the information that Pollard passed was considered vital in saving Israeli lives during the Gulf War by the way. While he certainly did something illegal, he's hardly in the league of traitors although he's been punished, for various political considerations, as if he were).

A treatment for helicobacter pylori could have saved the guy, oh well...

On a more serious note, what made him, or people like him, who leak information to media outlets such as the New York Times, think that they are doing anyone a service by endangering the lives of others?

re: #115 plutosdad

After all the huffing and puffing about Valarie Plame, which was over 5 years after she was not an officer and (hopefully after all that time) didn't put anyone in danger, you'd think that these people would be up in arms about what a monster Agee was. They even used Agee's getting others killed to denounce the Plame "outing".

If Agee really believed the crap he spewed, he'd have blown whistles without revealing names and getting people killed. But he didn't care about people's lives, he loved the idea of "mankind" more than he loved his fellow man.

Kinda makes you wonder if the term "humanitarian" is somehow related to the term "vegetarian."

Thanks again for the comments against this traitorous coward.

To #155 Daisy - you are very kind. I have written and said a lot about my father in the press. I wrote a long tribute to him which was published in the Greek newspaper "Ta Nea" in 2002 (it was translated into Greek by a good friend). Also I was featured in the English language Greek paper "Athens News" a few times. Both papers were, amazingly, kind to me and let me tell my story.

America lost one of its finest intelligence officers the day Richard Welch was murdered and Greece lost one of its finest scholars. What a waste. And what for?

Molly Welch-Ball

re: #130 Spiny Norman

Thank you for posting that information.
I was not aware that such a high level of obligation was spelled out and promised in the US's intelligence-sharing with Israel. In that case, shame on everyone who aided in breaking the agreement.

*sigh*

Pollard's decision to pass information makes more sense to me now.

re: #179 Kuma No Kami

A treatment for helicobacter pylori could have saved the guy, oh well...

On a more serious note, what made him, or people like him, who leak information to media outlets such as the New York Times, think that they are doing anyone a service by endangering the lives of others?

Your mistake is in thinking such people want to do anyone a service, except their own pathetic selves.

"...the traitor who exposed fellow CIA agents to violence and murder by revealing their names, and severely damaged the US intelligence network..."

Hey, didn't someone else do that recently?

Whoa! A Cuban hospital fumbling the ball after surgery. Say it ain't so,that's why he was avoiding imperialist health-care in the first place? Somebody get Michael Moore of "Sicko" fame on the line to give us the straight scoop on this obvious Reuters misrepresentation of the "facts".

So, he "did not survive surgery for perforated ulcers"? Oh yeah, let's get some of that wonderful Cuban health care here in the US.

Agee might want to reconsider that choice of communism over the United States. Oops! Too late! Wonder what those dead CIA agents on the other side had to say to him when he got there.

I don't suppose the Michigan Manatee of Mendacity would stoop to include that wonderful anecdote on Cuban health care in a documentary somewhere.

Sums up the leftist mindset: We hate the USA.

"Ousting" an anti-Bush agent = Traitorous

Agent turns coats against the US = Heroic

Can we call a spade a spade? Pretty please?

If someone from another country hates the USA, they are enemies. But if someone in the USA hates the USA, they are progressives?

give me a fucking break.

/pardon the french

Philip Agee suffered a fate worse than death: he lived long enough to see his chosen philosophy get flushed down the s**t-hole of history.

Nobody in Cuba believes in "scientific socialism" anymore: Fidel doesn't, Raul doesn't, and, in his last few seconds of consciousness, I'll bet Philip Agee admitted to himself that he didn't either.

re: #171 Spiny Norman

To the liberal who has hacked Spiny Norman's LGF account: Please go away.

We do not release convicted felons serving life sentences.

We do not call for the death or injury of people with whom we are arguing.

I remember that smarmy cockroach coming to Jamaica and campaigning for Michael Manley in 1976.

That slimy puke stirred up a whole lot of anti-Americanism.

I think I might visit Cuba, just so I can take some powerful laxatives and cover his grave in..., well never mind.

Died in Cuba, you say? Gotta love Uncle Fidel's free health care.

Looks good on him.

"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great
pleasure."
- Clarence Darrow

Ditto for me Mr. Darrow

What? He didn't survive an ulcer surgery in Cuba? What with old Tubby Moore touting the medical care down there, I am surprised. Anybody else...anybody? Buehler...Buehler

His widow, German ballet dancer Giselle Roberge, told friends he had been in hospital since December 15 and did not survive surgery for perforated ulcers.

Poor darling...in the end, even Fatso's Sicko's much-vaunted Cuban healthcare system couldn't save him.

Just lost a longtime friend who went over to the dark side in a big way. Gives money to the Soros groups, Kos and others. She has a "Wall of Shame" in her house with nooses and pictures of guns pointed at Bush. I wrote her a letter and tried to explain how upset all this made me when I saw it. How I visited Kos, HuffPo, DemUnderground, etc. to try to learn what could possibly make her so bitter and angry. And... how repelled I was when the Kidz went after Tony Snow, wishing him dead, praying he'd be in agony, hoping his family would suffer, too, and saying he deserved to be tortured.

There's no comparison of course between Tony Snow and Phillip Agee but some of the posts here do sound a bit like the Kidz when they don't like someone. I think we're better than that. We can revile a person and despise what they did without resorting to the cheap shots and the 4-letter stuff. I'm not a milktoast lib and I do believe in ultimate punishment. In my opinion, Mr. Agee both deserved and received it.

El Reuters is a different and much more sinister problem. Because of them, we're likely to have more Phillip Agees rather than fewer in our future.

Agee finally received a just reward for his traitorous acts. Is M. Moore going to rant now about the wonderful death bed care Cuba provides.

Agee was in fact a traitor and while Pollard claims not to have harmed the USA, his acts did do so in fact.

The USS Liberty might be considered a 'friendly fire" incident except for the fact that Israeli forces attacked again and again the USA Liberty even after the Liberty visually and commo-wise identified itself as a USA warship. The continued air assaults and gun boat assaults disprove the idea that the attacks were simply an "Oops, we screwed up" incident. LBJ rolled over for his own political reasons and the Navy followed the lead of the CIC.

Rather ironic that Cuban socialized medicine killed the SOB.

re: #194 panamahat

Excellent point.

Thanks for that.

re: #195 Olderthandirt

Do you you have any proof that the attacks on the USS Liberty continued after the Israelis realised it was an American vessel and not Egyptian? Something other than Stormfront and their fellow travelers, that is.

His death is a direct result of his moving to Cuba. Here in the US ulcers are treated medically before they perforate. But in the country with Michael Moore praised medical care I seriously doubt it. He probably didn't even get scoped.

"That's why when you argue with a Liberal, and you hit a point that they cannot argue against, they become uncomfortable and resort to ad hominem and tu quoque attacks against you, your sources and your points of view."

Never...ARGUE...with a 'liberal'.

First off, that's what they want you to do. It makes them feel important.

Simply call them fascist lying unAmerican filth and then ignore them.

You'll hear their head explode shortly thereafter.

re: #198 Spiny Norman

Actually, Spiny, yes, there is proof.

Go talk to some of the survivors.

Assuming they don't punch your lights out.

For whatever reason, the IDF knowingly attacked a US ship.

Deal with it.

How would the survivors know if the Israelis had intentified it as a American vessel?

Did the Captain and crew of the USS Vincennes knowingly shoot down an Iranian civilian passenger jet in 1988?

Did the US Air Force knowingly attack Canadian military forces in Afghanistan in 2003, and again in 2006?

Mistaken identity and friendly fire incidents happen in battle, you deal with it. Israel is not America's enemy.

As a former Marine, I have very black and white views about people who betray their oaths. I had several rants ready about this, but after reading panamahat's admonition, I'll leave it at this:

tillsville, thank you for posting here and giving us your point of view. I hope your father's soul is resting a little easier tonight.

re: #179 Kuma No Kami

A treatment for helicobacter pylori could have saved the guy, oh well...

Oh, yeh! H. Pylori is a common infection in Third World conditions. Geez, a full decade ago, more, Nigerian doctors were hot on the announcement that Dr. Marshall had identified H. Pylori infection as the root cause of about 90% of stomach ulcers - and were implementing the new anti-bacterial treatments.

Just wanted to alert people that NIGERIAN doctors a DECADE ago were up on the LATEST treatments for this. To, uh, put into perspective the lag here. Didn't Dr. Marshall recently FINALLY get a Nobel Prize in medicine for his outstanding work in curing stomach ulcers and by this reducing the related stomach cancer infections?

So, !Hola! Cuban doctors! Where have ya'll been? It's a hell of a lot easier treating ulcers with a couple of common pills than via surgery ...
Bad combo - H. Pylori is easily spread in poor sanitation - one strike against the Cuban paradise, plus out of date medical protocols.
Cosmic justice - that Agee chose wrong over right, in his actions and his choice of sanctuary - and his sanctuary did him in.

re: #34 bulwrk

If he had checked into Gitmo for surgery he'd be alive today.

If he was really lucky maybe...

Agee was a darling of the left while i was an undergrad. Often quoted by saying Salvador Allende committed suicide "by shooting himself 47 times with various caliber bullets". I could never understand why students would latch themselves to jerks like Agee and run down our country that allowed them to stand on the fun button every night while draftees were putting it on the line in foreign hell holes.

re: #175 cosmo

re: #172 alegrias

Can you provide examples of this new Spanish curriculum? I had no idea this sort of crap was happening outside of the attempted quashing of Basque national identity. Are they starting in E.G.B. or is it B.U.P. when the brainwashing begins?

* * *

Cosmo, sorry I don't recall the exact name of the mandatory class--along the lines of civics I suppose--but the Socialists tried to introduce it this academic year and significant numbers of Spanish parents were outraged and threatened to boycott or keep their kids out of class. It was big news this past summer. Perhaps you can google it?

"Traitor died. Reuters lied."

I hope the slimy oath-breaker suffered the very pains of Hell from his ulcer before he passed. Less than what he truly deserved, but it's an imperfect world after all...

Good riddance, I hope the SOB suffered with every breath he took. Not even Fidel's version of Hildebeast's health care fantasy could save his sorry ass.

Rot in hell, you traitorous scumbag and I hope your roomie down there is Long Dong von Thistlecock.

re: #37 bianchi_roadie

re: #24 coquimbojoe

You're assuming the Nutroots know who this guy was. Most never got to learn US (or world) history past WWII. Then they only know what happened since they were alive Bush was elected.

Had to correct that.

The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

(Gotta love those ancient proverbs.)

Another glorious chapter in the glorious history of Cuban surgery comes to an end.

It is more than troubling when the liberal press considers a traitor a "whistleblower". Obviously FOX News must be expanded on, and more independent and honest international news services developed.

LMAO I wonder if Michael Moore will come to the funeral.. SICKO meets TELLALL.. I like Cuban medical treatment more every day..

re: #200 Apache30

"That's why when you argue with a Liberal, and you hit a point that they cannot argue against, they become uncomfortable and resort to ad hominem and tu quoque attacks against you, your sources and your points of view."

Never...ARGUE...with a 'liberal'.

First off, that's what they want you to do. It makes them feel important.

Simply call them fascist lying unAmerican filth and then ignore them.

You'll hear their head explode shortly thereafter.

I always find it refreshing to argue with them. It helps me reinforce my belief structure even more, and makes me better able to defend said structure intelligently and without malice. Whenever I do argue with them, I keep personal attacks out of it, and let them try to refute fact after fact after fact. That's when you watch their head explode, and they start calling you "racist" and "Neocon". Then you just sit back and laugh at them as they rant themselves into a frenzy.

"Liberals" get plenty of attention from my arguments; most of it bad ;)

He's a dickhead, I hope that his last breath was a reminder of the agony that he caused others. The world is a better place with this scumbag not sucking down air anymore. the only thing better would be if he could tuck Frankenkerry and Hanoi Jane under his arm and hit the down button.

To # 122, all I can say is God bless your father and your family for your service and sacrifice, and I raise a glass in silent tribute and thanks for folks like your father. It will be a glass of fine Irish whiskey, offered up in pride, reverence and heartfelt thanks.

#217 Trace

Thank you from the Welch family - fine words indeed.

#203NR Pax

As Richard Welch's son (my brother) is a former Marine we understand.

#218 Tillsville

Thank you for your service to America! Both yours and your father's!

Have hated that traitor Agee for decades.

When I saw his name on the ticker tape on Fox News, I hoped it was that he had been caught sneaking into the U.S. as he boasted of doing or that he was finally dead. Seems that this affair has finally ended about as well as can be expected in this imperfect world: Good riddance to bad rubbish = Phillip Agee.