I think Ms. Schlussel had something on this guy in here blog, but it was nothing but suspicions. Now perhaps confirmed.

"her" blog, sorry...

The msm will run this frontpage for a month because of the "R".

Damn, I was just about to link to this story in the spin-ff section. Charles beat me to it!

They should look at former Senator James Abourezk as well as former Senator Charles Percy and former Rep. Paul Findley.

Treason is bad enough among our citizens, but worse among those whose job it was to serve our interests. Scum

re: #4 gibsonz

The msm will run this frontpage for a month because of the "R".

This goes way beyond partisan politics anymore. DC needs a fleabath badly.

The press will ride this through november then it will disappear.

Well, it will be this and the bathroom sex thing.

So another Lutheran gets run in for supporting terrorists. What? You mean to tell me that he isn't Lutheran, but is a muslim? You've got to be kidding. Muslims aren't terrorists, just ask any of them.

OT, went to a Lizard's Thicket here in Columbia, SC. Good food and good service. Your choice of a meat, three sides, cornbread/muffins.

My first thought was, Dearbornistan, but he represented the 4th Congressional District, which is mid-state.

SILJANDER, Mark Deli, a Representative from Michigan; born in Chicago, Cook County, Ill., June 11, 1951; attended the public schools; graduated from Oak Park-River Forest High School, 1969; B.S., Western Michigan University, Kalamazoo, 1972; M.A., same university, 1973; trustee, Fabius Township Board, St. Joseph County, 1972-1976; real estate broker; served in the Michigan State house of representatives, 1977-1981; delegate, Republican National Convention, 1980; elected as Republican to the Ninety-seventh Congress, by special election, to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of United States Representative David A. Stockman, and reelected to the two succeeding Congresses (April 21, 1981-January 3, 1987); unsuccessful candidate for renomination to the One Hundredth Congress in 1986; delegate to the United Nations General Assembly, September 1987-September 1988; president of a consulting firm in Washington, D.C., and operates an import-export firm; radio commentator; unsuccessful candidate in 1992 for nomination to the One Hundred Third Congress; is a resident of Reston, Va.

He's been out of office since 1987...

This isn't the Congressman who went to Syria (?) and appeared on JihadTV, was it? I want to say that guy was from one of the Dakotas.

Stealing from USAID, yet. Good going, taking food and water out of the mouths of disaster victims.

Nice guy.

Reagan screwed up with this one...

delegate to the United Nations General Assembly

though he perhaps belonged there more than anybody, in the most corrupt political body

re: #14 Pawn of the Oppressor

That one was a Dem

He's from Cook County originally, which may explain something...

I suspected he represented Dearbornistan, but he didn't.

On the upside, we didn't have to try and guess his party affiliation.

re: #13 loppyd

Will not matter when the object is to define the perception...

But the MSM will find this one a little tough - after all, they spend a lot of the time downplaying the terrorism / islamic threat. If it's not much of a threat, why is this really news?

re: #4 gibsonz

The msm will run this frontpage for a month because of the "R".

Because of the R(epublican), and because of the R(eagan).

From wiki

Religion
Siljander takes an interest in conflict resolution, particularly in Islamic countries, and in recent years has tried to publicize the common ground between Christianity and Islam, particularly in the Koran's portrayal of Jesus.

Except by conflist resolution, he means something different than what we think it means.
What is this? A previous hatred of Islam?

This is a turnaround from a previous position in which he objected to the Koran being read at a prayer breakfast, asking the emcee: "How can you read the book of the devil at a prayer breakfast?"

From Wikipedia:

Siljander takes an especial interest in conflict resolution, particularly in Islamic countries, and in recent years has tried to publicize the common ground between Christianity and Islam, particularly in the Koran's portrayal of Jesus.

Ron Paul fan probably ;)

The charity's link to terrorism will be over looked.

There will be no "special reports" on Islamic charaties.

the R is all that matters.

re: #19 abolitionist

re: #4 gibsonz

The msm will run this frontpage for a month because of the "R".

Because of the R(epublican), and because of the R(eagan).

But they will hide the part about the (M)...

Siljander served in the House from 1981-86, but was turned out by the voters, partly because of extremist statements that smacked of religious bigotry. In 1986, for example, Siljander taped a message soliciting campaign support from ministers to "help break the back of Satan." He now says he wants to keep religion out of his campaign.

Nevertheless, a politician's past is often a prologue. Siljander has been a steering committee member of the secretive, theocratic Coalition on Revival (COR) since 1986. In 1990, he was listed as a leader of a COR political arm, the National Coordinating Council (NCC) whose agenda includes the abolition of public schools, the IRS, and the Federal Reserve by the year 2000. The NCC also calls for taking over county governments and the establishment of "Christian"-controlled county militias.

The former Republican congressman from Michigan, Mark Deli Siljander, was charged with money laundering, conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about lobbying senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.

I dont know if this guy is innocent or guilty but there is nothing illegal for a former senator to work as a lobbyist is there? There should be but it isnt against the law.

Back in the last election, our R Senator was smeared with "he's going to be indicted" charges and false accusations that he was being bought and paid for by native americans and how his vote "helped" pass a certain bill. The truth is that the senate voted 98-2 on the bill they were talking about.

Lawhawk: Can you discern exactly what this guy is being charged with? The press report looks rather convoluted.

Iranian News Reports Bush's Looming Impeachment

Tehran said US President George Bush could be prosecuted for his belligerent and unreal statements against Iran, adding that the US president would be impeached for his irrational wording by his own party upon return to Washington from a tour of the Middle-East.

"Upon his return to Washington, Bush will be impeached by his own party because the statements he made against Iran in one of the Arab countries and during his visit to the region did not accord with any logic," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint press conference with his visiting Kuwaiti counterpart here in Tehran on Wednesday.

It is common for former Govt employees such as politicians and retired Generals, admirals, colonels, etc to accept lobbying positions for foreign companies and interest groups. There is no patriotism among those that will sell out their own country for enough money. This is why when it comes to politicians, it's better to have a clearly identified enemy (especially in the White House) than one masked as a friend. Worse than a Democrat President is a Republican liberal one who Republicans in congress will get behind while he pushes a socialist agenda. Any of you Republicans out there planning on voting for Huckabee better apologize to Jimmy Carter. Pulling the lever for the one with an R behind the name has proven to be a poor choice for identifying the enemy hasn't it?

re: #20 Silhouette

From wiki

Religion
Siljander takes an interest in conflict resolution, particularly in Islamic countries, and in recent years has tried to publicize the common ground between Christianity and Islam, particularly in the Koran's portrayal of Jesus.

Except by conflist resolution, he means something different than what we think it means.
What is this? A previous hatred of Islam?

This is a turnaround from a previous position in which he objected to the Koran being read at a prayer breakfast, asking the emcee: "How can you read the book of the devil at a prayer breakfast?"

He was right the first time.

I guess there's more money in P.C.

re: #25 Silhouette

Siljander served in the House from 1981-86, but was turned out by the voters, partly because of extremist statements that smacked of religious bigotry. In 1986, for example, Siljander taped a message soliciting campaign support from ministers to "help break the back of Satan." He now says he wants to keep religion out of his campaign.Nevertheless, a politician's past is often a prologue. Siljander has been a steering committee member of the secretive, theocratic Coalition on Revival (COR) since 1986. In 1990, he was listed as a leader of a COR political arm, the National Coordinating Council (NCC) whose agenda includes the abolition of public schools, the IRS, and the Federal Reserve by the year 2000. The NCC also calls for taking over county governments and the establishment of "Christian"-controlled county militias.

Sounds like Huckabee

I believe one difference in reaction is you'll widespread condemnation of Siljander, especially from the right, as opposed to the usual crickets your hear from the left when a Democrat is in legal trouble.

Reagan screwed up with this one...

Did I just get redirected to DailyKos?

OT: Report: Chinese ships confronted Kitty Hawk

Kyodo News Service
Posted : Wednesday Jan 16, 2008 12:03:36 EST

TAIPEI — A Chinese attack submarine and destroyer shadowed U.S. warships in November in the Taiwan Strait, sparking a 28-hour standoff that brought the group to a battle-ready halt in the tense waters, a report in a Taiwan daily said Tuesday.

The confrontation occurred as the Navy aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk and other ships in its battle group were heading back to Japan following China’s sudden cancellation of a long-scheduled holiday port call in Hong Kong, the China Times said, citing U.S. military sources.

The carrier strike group encountered Chinese destroyer Shenzhen and a Song-class sub in the strait on Nov. 23, causing the group to halt and ready for battle, as the Chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour confrontation, the Chinese-language daily reported.

re: #25 Silhouette

See!

SEE!

/Rosie

From his Wiki page: Mark D. Siljander

The former congressman has a book entitled A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide that is scheduled for release in June, 2008.

Religion

Siljander takes an interest in conflict resolution, particularly in the Islamic world, and in recent years has tried to publicize the common ground between Christianity and Islam, particularly in the portrayal of Jesus in the Qur'an. This is a turnaround from a previous position in which he objected to the Qur'an being read at a prayer breakfast, asking the emcee: "How can you read the book of the devil at a prayer breakfast?" [1] He is widely traveled, and claims to have visited over 120 countries.[2] Siljander is also one of the few American politicians to have visited Libya in recent years.

Fair and balanced: it doesn't matter who the terror funders are, R or D, they ought to be tried, convicted, and fried (assuming they are guilty).

/Of course, that couldn't happen to a libertarian.

re: #27 Ben Hur

Iranian News Reports Bush's Looming Impeachment

Tehran said US President George Bush could be prosecuted for his belligerent and unreal statements against Iran, adding that the US president would be impeached for his irrational wording by his own party upon return to Washington from a tour of the Middle-East.

"Upon his return to Washington, Bush will be impeached by his own party because the statements he made against Iran in one of the Arab countries and during his visit to the region did not accord with any logic," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint press conference with his visiting Kuwaiti counterpart here in Tehran on Wednesday.

FARS is bad enough, but I always check out Press TV. A real hoot. They're big Ron Paul and Kucinich fans.

re: #21 JavaMan

particularly in the Koran's portrayal of Jesus.

Uh, yeah. There's not one thing in common I can think of between the two religions. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis -there is no parsing of what Jesus said. He is either exactly what He said or he was crazy and not to be believed.

A Michiganistan ex-politico helping terrorists. You don't say? There are a few current politicians that should be looked into as well.

re: #26 Eowyn2

I'm trying to get a hold of the indictment, but I don't have access to PACER (the govt website for filings).

re: #27 Ben Hur

Iranian News Reports Bush's Looming Impeachment

Tehran said US President George Bush could be prosecuted for his belligerent and unreal statements against Iran, adding that the US president would be impeached for his irrational wording by his own party upon return to Washington from a tour of the Middle-East.

"Upon his return to Washington, Bush will be impeached by his own party because the statements he made against Iran in one of the Arab countries and during his visit to the region did not accord with any logic," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint press conference with his visiting Kuwaiti counterpart here in Tehran on Wednesday.

So the Iranians really are disturbed by what Bush had to say to the Arab rulers during his trip? That's good to know.

So this guy appears to be a crazy Christian who supported the creation of "Christian controlled county militias" but now he is throwing his support and apparent keen intellect to Muslim terrorists. Well I am scratching my head.

re: #25 Silhouette

Nevertheless, a politician's past is often a prologue. Siljander has been a steering committee member of the secretive, theocratic Coalition on Revival (COR) since 1986. In 1990, he was listed as a leader of a COR political arm, the National Coordinating Council (NCC) whose agenda includes the abolition of public schools, the IRS, and the Federal Reserve by the year 2000. The NCC also calls for taking over county governments and the establishment of "Christian"-controlled county militias

Although it's unthinkable to many people here certain Christians such as Dinesh D'Souza share a common theocratic vision with the Islamists.

re: #27 Ben Hur

Iranian News Reports Bush's Looming Impeachment

Tehran said US President George Bush could be prosecuted for his belligerent and unreal statements against Iran, adding that the US president would be impeached for his irrational wording by his own party upon return to Washington from a tour of the Middle-East.

"Upon his return to Washington, Bush will be impeached by his own party because the statements he made against Iran in one of the Arab countries and during his visit to the region did not accord with any logic," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint press conference with his visiting Kuwaiti counterpart here in Tehran on Wednesday.

So Tehran wants to see Cheney and his shotgun as president?

re: #31 JammieWearingFool

I believe one difference in reaction is you'll widespread condemnation of Siljander, especially from the right, as opposed to the usual crickets your hear from the left when a Democrat is in legal trouble.

Yes. The Democrats just circle their wagons when one of theirs gets in trouble. The Republicans won't have any of it.

Good news from the OR. My wife came through the first segment of the surgery and all the news is positive.

Still a few hours to go but that's a huge sigh of relief.

Have to make some calls.

BBL.

re: #39 insanity police

A Michiganistan ex-politico helping terrorists. You don't say? There are a few current politicians that should be looked into as well.

Follow the stink from Pelosi and Reid's ass... But you won't ever catch them red-handed. They help the terrorists for free, the kind of help that leaves no paper trail and is even more valuable than funding.

/wink wink

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Fantastic! Thanks for the update. (((JWF))) and (((JWF's Wife))) :)

He is listed as a guest at an interfaith breakfast at the National Association of Convenient Stores in a Petroleum Marketers Association of America publication...

"I'm sick and tired of pink men arresting brown men for helping other brown men kill pink men." - Erica Jong

re: #42 Nevergiveup

It's all about the establishment of theocracy as a valid form of government.

A former congressman and delegate to the United Nations was indicted Wednesday as part of a terrorist fundraising ring

Because those two bodies would know nothing about corruption or anything.

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Good news from the OR. My wife came through the first segment of the surgery and all the news is positive.

Still a few hours to go but that's a huge sigh of relief.

Have to make some calls.

BBL.

That is AWESOME!

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Yippeee!

Tom Cruise Scientology Video: A New Clip

They salute eachother?

Let's start a new party.

What does it matter which party he came from? GIT A ROPE!

re: #50 Kenneth

"I'm sick and tired of pink men arresting brown men for helping other brown men kill pink men." - Erica Jong

Did she really say that?

FWIW - Siljander is Christian (at least based on some of his earlier comments and representations).

FEC records show Hillary Rotten-Cankles took $1000 from Kaddafi's American hitman.

... so did Kucinich.

... and Bonior.

... and McKinney on 9/11!

re: #43 Killgore Trout
C'mon this guys all over the map. I think he'd blend into a Ron Paul revival meeting.

re: #58 Golem Akbar

I'm sorry... just my satire. But she could have said it!

re: #45 Golem Akbar

re: #31 JammieWearingFool

I believe one difference in reaction is you'll widespread condemnation of Siljander, especially from the right, as opposed to the usual crickets your hear from the left when a Democrat is in legal trouble.

Yes. The Democrats just circle their wagons when one of theirs gets in trouble. The Republicans won't have any of it.

Oh come on, the Dems always scream like the little bitches they are when its an idiot republican doing something. I am a republican, but right now one of the few things I can point to with pride about my party, is the consistency of Republicans to condemn bad behavior by their peers. As for many other things, not so proud.

Charles

Just to let you know you've been mentioned on the Lone voice blog. Not sure if it is in reference to this thread.

re: #37 JammieWearingFool

re: #41 Kenneth

re: #44 Eowyn2

Apparently, the Iranians think Bush is a Democrat.

re: #55 Ben Hur

This morning Fox & Friends played some of the clip you posted yesterday...

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Looks like his 'journey' can be summarized as follows:

"The Koran is the devils book!"

"Oh...so you mean the muslims actually respect Jesus and stuff? Why that's awful nice..."

"Sure I'll help you raise money for Al Quaeda!"

re: #55 Ben Hur

Tom Cruise Scientology Video: A New Clip

They salute eachother?

I know there's a Monty Python moment opportunity here, but I can't recall it.

don't care if it is a R, if he is convicted i think his citizenship should be revoked

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Good news from the OR. My wife came through the first segment of the surgery and all the news is positive.

Still a few hours to go but that's a huge sigh of relief.

Have to make some calls.

BBL.

God Bless both of you.

In the Detroit area many of the Muslim/Arab owned gas stations have Ron Paul stickers in front of them. I wonder why?

re: #67 Jimmah

awesome avatar!

The money, sent to bank accounts in Peshawar, Pakistan in 2003 and 2004, was masked as donations to an orphanage

I'd be happy that this occurred if two things happened regularly:

1. Good guys tracked the transfers and then apprehended or killed the perps, wrecking jihadi money networks.

2. The press let these politician guys twist in the wind for being stupid, venal, and/or treasonous.

But no, not enough will be done to stamp out these laundering nests, and the lefty MSM will spin the (R) for all it's worth.

Feh to it all.

re: #68 Golem Akbar

re: #55 Ben Hur

Tom Cruise Scientology Video: A New Clip

They salute eachother?

I know there's a Monty Python moment opportunity here, but I can't recall it.

Why do you think there is a need to parody this?

re: #71 insanity police

In the Detroit area many of the Muslim/Arab owned gas stations have Ron Paul stickers in front of them. I wonder why?

I meant Ron Paul signs. Not cheap ones either. Very sturdy. AND THERE ARE NO OTHER SIGNS FOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AROUND THEM!

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Good luck

re: #50 Kenneth

"I'm sick and tired of pink men arresting brown men for helping other brown men kill pink men." - Erica Jong

On some page that looked like a "myspace" page, he listed himself as white, so I would guess that he's pink.

re: #61 EC Marm

He certainly has some Paulian tendencies but his religion seems to be an important feature in this story. Let's face it: there are certain Christians who sympathize with the Islamists cause of ruling a society through faith and religious law.

re: #71 insanity police

In the Detroit area many of the Muslim/Arab owned gas stations have Ron Paul stickers in front of them. I wonder why?

Because they're there.

re: #55 Ben Hur

Tom Cruise Scientology Video: A New Clip

They salute eachother?

And paintings of dead people.

It just HAD to be a Republican, geeze. Time to start a new party, the old one is so far gone its not even worth registering to vote under anymore.

As Groucho sang, "We stand him up against the wall and pop goes the weasel!"

Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code

re: #66 loppyd

I'm waiting for this Tom Cruise video to be shown.

re: #69 blutonazi98

Yep- I don't care what party he's from either. There are plenty of Republican's I disagree with- some I doubt are truly Republicans. But I'm not going to walk in lock step when a fellow Republican is rotten to the core. I'll leave that to the democrats.

re: #63 coquimbojoe

re: #45 Golem Akbar

re: #31 JammieWearingFool

I believe one difference in reaction is you'll widespread condemnation of Siljander, especially from the right, as opposed to the usual crickets your hear from the left when a Democrat is in legal trouble.

Yes. The Democrats just circle their wagons when one of theirs gets in trouble. The Republicans won't have any of it.

Oh come on, the Dems always scream like the little bitches they are when its an idiot republican doing something. I am a republican, but right now one of the few things I can point to with pride about my party, is the consistency of Republicans to condemn bad behavior by their peers. As for many other things, not so proud.

That's pretty much what I meant (if I wasn't clear). Good case in point is how Bill Clinton was so famously defended when he perjured himself and got impeached. Most of the left went into total defensive mode over this. A Republican bathroom toe tapper gets the boot as fast as anything, on the other hand.

So let me get this right. He was a Congressman and appointed to the UN by Reagan two decades ago. And now the MSM is pointing to these facts of what he was caught doing now.

Yet Ted-let's have another drink so I can poke you-Kennedy can run his car off a bridge, kill someone and flee the scene and get off scott free with never having to do his two months in jail. And he has been re-elected ever since to Congress.

Is this how it works?

/sarcasm off now

re: #69 blutonazi98

I don't think anyone here is shy about stringing up traitors no matter what letter they put behind their name.

Expect the KosKids to embrace the (R) and Reagan appointment any minute.

re: #62 Kenneth

its because pink men have a fear of flying.

I read the book
soft porn

re: #85 Sharmuta

thats one of the big reasons i stopped being a dem.

/that and i became an adult

re: #81 Neo

It just HAD to be a Republican, geeze. Time to start a new party, the old one is so far gone its not even worth registering to vote under anymore.

Um... No one has voted for him for over 20 years, he's hardly a party powerhouse. Might not even vote R anymore.

re: #84 Ben Hur

re: #66 loppyd

I'm waiting for this Tom Cruise video to be shown.

I loved Mork & Mindy until they had the "kid"...

Three Images of the Crowd at Lincoln's Second Inauguration Discovered at Library of Congress

Of course Lincoln was outed as a Zionist stooge when he demanded the withdrawal of Egyptian troops from Mexico.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

re: #61 EC Marm

He certainly has some Paulian tendencies but his religion seems to be an important feature in this story. Let's face it: there are certain Christians who sympathize with the Islamists cause of ruling a society through faith and religious law.

But giving the opposition money doesnt seem logical.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

re: #61 EC Marm

He certainly has some Paulian tendencies but his religion seems to be an important feature in this story. Let's face it: there are certain Christians who sympathize with the Islamists cause of ruling a society through faith and religious law.

Oh yeah, just last week I recall hearing the Pope say, "Someday you will all live under Catholicism."

re: #67 Jimmah

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Looks like his 'journey' can be summarized as follows:

"The Koran is the devils book!"

"Oh...so you mean the muslims actually respect Jesus and stuff? Why that's awful nice..."

"Sure I'll help you raise money for Al Quaeda!"

That is a great avatar.

re: #77 Silhouette

Me, I'm not pink, I'm plaid.

re: #95 Eowyn2

re: #78 Killgore Trout

re: #61 EC Marm

He certainly has some Paulian tendencies but his religion seems to be an important feature in this story. Let's face it: there are certain Christians who sympathize with the Islamists cause of ruling a society through faith and religious law.

But giving the opposition money doesnt seem logical.

Take that back: I've hired you to help start a war, its a long and noble tradition. Do you want me to send you back where I found you, unemployed, in Dearbornistan?

re: #87 a marine mom

Yet Ted-let's have another drink so I can poke you-Kennedy can run his car off a bridge, kill someone and flee the scene and get off scott free with never having to do his two months in jail. And he has been re-elected ever since to Congress.

Is this how it works?

From one Kennedy hater to another...Yes!

Sean Penn Slams Paper That Mocked Celebs Sucking Up To Chavez

re: #27 Ben Hur

Iranian News Reports Bush's Looming Impeachment

Tehran said US President George Bush could be prosecuted for his belligerent and unreal statements against Iran, adding that the US president would be impeached for his irrational wording by his own party upon return to Washington from a tour of the Middle-East.

"Upon his return to Washington, Bush will be impeached by his own party because the statements he made against Iran in one of the Arab countries and during his visit to the region did not accord with any logic," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint press conference with his visiting Kuwaiti counterpart here in Tehran on Wednesday.

What the bloody Hell have they been smoking?!?!?!?

SHAME

re: #92 Spenser (with an S)

re: #81 Neo

It just HAD to be a Republican, geeze. Time to start a new party, the old one is so far gone its not even worth registering to vote under anymore.

Um... No one has voted for him for over 20 years, he's hardly a party powerhouse. Might not even vote R anymore.

Might not even be a registered R anymore.

Some more background on this asshole's religion...
Seeking Common Ground

Former Congressman and Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Mark Siljander has addressed kings, high-level clerics and top academics across the globe about his ideas for bridging the gap between Christians and Muslims.
...
Toting his new book--A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide, Siljander explained how, according to his studies, the two religions aren't so different after all.
...
Siljander explained that his "spiritual journey" began 15 years ago at the National Prayer Breakfast, when he was a Republican congressman from Michigan.

The self-deprecating former lawmaker recounted, "I was trained as an evangelical Christian; I was a poster boy for Jerry Falwell."
...
Through the course of his exchange with the National Prayer Breakfast host, Siljander said the reader from "the devil's book" challenged him to find passages in the New Testament requiring Christians to convert non-Christians.

After a lengthy search, Siljander recalled, "I could not find one verse in the entire New Testament that ever suggested we should convert anyone to any religion."

It was then, he said, that he realized that he'd come by his ideas about converting non-Christians from a merely cultural point of view, not because he'd learned it from the Bible.

To further explore what "cultural misunderstandings" he had regarding Christianity and its relationship to Islam, Siljander began to study the Peshitta--a 4th Century Aramaic translation of the New Testament.

It's worth reading the whole thing.

According to this by Mary McCarthy (and I have no idea if it is true, a slanted-partially-true-hit-piece, or all lies, but here it is anyway for your review) he is a Christian Reconstructionists - and just likes the idea of a theocracy, any theocracy.

"In the United States, the Christian Reconstruction movement proposes the purest form of theocracy. Reconstructionism...believes that the law given for the political and legal ordering of ancient Israel is intended for all people at all times; therefore American is duty bound to install a political system based entirely on biblical law."

and here

Other noted Reconstructionists include ... Mark Siljander of Global Strategies, Inc.;...

re: #99 Kenneth

re: #77 Silhouette

Me, I'm not pink, I'm plaid.

Kenneth
Is that like "I'm plaid, I'm glad, Get use to it."

re: #14 Pawn of the Oppressor
Maybe you're thinking of James Abourezk.

OK, I'm back. Lawhawk linked Debbie Schlussel in the spinoffs. She used to work for Siljander.

re: #86 Golem Akbar

re: #63 coquimbojoe

re: #45 Golem Akbar

re: #31 JammieWearingFool

I believe one difference in reaction is you'll widespread condemnation of Siljander, especially from the right, as opposed to the usual crickets your hear from the left when a Democrat is in legal trouble.

Yes. The Democrats just circle their wagons when one of theirs gets in trouble. The Republicans won't have any of it.

Oh come on, the Dems always scream like the little bitches they are when its an idiot republican doing something. I am a republican, but right now one of the few things I can point to with pride about my party, is the consistency of Republicans to condemn bad behavior by their peers. As for many other things, not so proud.

That's pretty much what I meant (if I wasn't clear). Good case in point is how Bill Clinton was so famously defended when he perjured himself and got impeached. Most of the left went into total defensive mode over this. A Republican bathroom toe tapper gets the boot as fast as anything, on the other hand.

You're right I should have stuck to just yelling at the plants in my office. I was reading things they way I wanted to respond to them, not the way they are. Sorry.

re: #72 medaura18586

Thanks medaura! I'm working on a mohammed cartoon of my own just now for my next one - not sure when that'll be though - I'm a bit out of practice on the drawing at the moment. So far the idea is there but the execution is lame...lol.

re: #83 insanity police

Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code

OOPS!

Of course, they'll say it's a Zionist forgery.

re: #91 blutonazi98

I too once thought I was a democrat- then I realized I wasn't enough of a hypocrite.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Not to mention their stout rejection of 'evilution'.

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Debbie Schlussel worked for him back when he was in Congress. She had a slightly different take on his religious views - but who knows what happened since then...

1996 Mohandas K. Gandhi International Peace Award recipient

re: #47 medaura18586

re: #39 insanity police

A Michiganistan ex-politico helping terrorists. You don't say? There are a few current politicians that should be looked into as well.

Follow the stink from Pelosi and Reid's ass... But you won't ever catch them red-handed. They help the terrorists for free, the kind of help that leaves no paper trail and is even more valuable than funding.

/wink wink

That's because they're still in the entry level and just positioning themselves for the big money that will come later. The Clintons have made 50 million. It's a huge racket, this business of former congress members and pentagon employees going to work as lobbyists for foreign interests. They may only make a measley couple hundred thousand a year as politicians, generals, and admirals, but they become rich, rich, rich as lobbyists later on down in their careers.

re: #27 Ben Hur

Iranian News Reports Bush's Looming Impeachment

Tehran said US President George Bush could be prosecuted for his belligerent and unreal statements against Iran, adding that the US president would be impeached for his irrational wording by his own party upon return to Washington from a tour of the Middle-East.

"Upon his return to Washington, Bush will be impeached by his own party because the statements he made against Iran in one of the Arab countries and during his visit to the region did not accord with any logic," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint press conference with his visiting Kuwaiti counterpart here in Tehran on Wednesday.

Just as soon as the Assatolahs's impeach Amadmanonjihad for his comments on Israel.

re: #95 Eowyn2

But giving the opposition money doesnt seem logical.

They don't see Islamists as the opposition, just another branch establishing moral and faith based societies. Just like Falwell and the Phelps cult blame 9/11 on gays and the morally bankrupt society that America has become. The Muslims wouldn't want to harm us if we were pious and behaved ourselves.

re: #108 Silhouette

Upon reading more of what I quoted, it DOES rather seem that it is a "Rosie O'Donnell"-esque piece insinuating that the Christians are all out to get everyone and take over the country. Among those they list as theocratic supporters are those that I am fairly certain are not and who would disagree with her most strongly.

re: #118 rappmandu

1996 Mohandas K. Gandhi International Peace Award recipient

Man, in the last week I have gone from thinking Gandhi was great to not being so sure. Stop peeling the scales from my eyes!

re: #106 Eowyn2

re: #92 Spenser (with an S)

re: #81 Neo

It just HAD to be a Republican, geeze. Time to start a new party, the old one is so far gone its not even worth registering to vote under anymore.

Um... No one has voted for him for over 20 years, he's hardly a party powerhouse. Might not even vote R anymore.

Might not even be a registered R anymore.

Uh, which party is perfect? Which candidate? Which human being, fercryingoutloud? If you live in a cave, and are totally alone, you might find one perfect person.

re: #111 JammieWearingFool

I missed that feature while I was at the hell job. How do I get there?

I checked out his contributions and he hasn't given anything individually since 1996.

Apparently hasn't lived in Michigan since the 80's.

I MET THIS MAN A QUARTER CENTURY AGO. MARK, YOU SON OF A BITCH!

now this is funny from the Sean Penn story about sf chronicle

However, Penn's characterization of San Francisco's most prominent offering to journalism is well-shared by virtually all right-thinking Bay Areans.

This is certainly the case for my cockatiel who has physically protested every effort by my family to line her cage with San Francisco's leading daily. According to our pet psychologist, Jerry refuses to do "her business" on the Chron as she firmly believes this would be redundant.

re: #55 Ben Hur

The lunatics are back with a vengeance, and they want to take not just the asylum, but the whole galaxy.

HAIL XENU!

re: #8 mbruce

Well, time to switch to:

Independent - decline to state

A republican & Regan appointee to the U.N.?

Oy! Way to go GOP! Way to go!

re: #116 Jimmah

Yes, they also have common ground in their hatred of science too.

re: #83 insanity police

Apart from the little group at the University of the Saarland and a handful of others, though, the Western Academy is loathe to go near the issue. In the United States, where Arab and Islamic Studies rely on funding from the Gulf States, an interest in Koranic criticism is a failsafe way to commit career suicide.

Hanging with Arafish

re: #114 Golem Akbar

re: #83 insanity police

Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code

OOPS!

Of course, they'll say it's a Zionist forgery.

I really don't think this will change much. I mean... there is ample evidence that the Bible was heavily redacted over the years, too, and yet Christians (who are generally a lot more open-minded) have no problem thinking of it as the perfect, unchanging word of God. Makes it hard to believe that Muslims, who are rather more, ah, excitable about their beliefs, are just going to say, "ah, so the whole thing's a crock? Well, I guess I'll ditch this Islam business. Hm, maybe Scientology..."

re: #117 lawhawk

See #107. He certainly has a unique approach.

re: #130 Ojoe

re: #8 mbruce

Well, time to switch to:

Independent - decline to state

I just switched from that, to R, since in California, a DTS can't vote for a Republican candidate. If you're not D, you don't exist, evidently. But I've been DTS for a long time.

re: #119 AirForceWife

re: #47 medaura18586

re: #39 insanity police

A Michiganistan ex-politico helping terrorists. You don't say? There are a few current politicians that should be looked into as well.

Follow the stink from Pelosi and Reid's ass... But you won't ever catch them red-handed. They help the terrorists for free, the kind of help that leaves no paper trail and is even more valuable than funding.

/wink wink

That's because they're still in the entry level and just positioning themselves for the big money that will come later. The Clintons have made 50 million. It's a huge racket, this business of former congress members and pentagon employees going to work as lobbyists for foreign interests. They may only make a measley couple hundred thousand a year as politicians, generals, and admirals, but they become rich, rich, rich as lobbyists later on down in their careers.

I suppose that makes sense. In the meantime, they have to prove where their loyalty is... what a bang-up job at doing that! Pelosy is deluded if she thinks she's got much of a career/life left after this term. She has expired a couple of decades ago. But who knows what delusions of grandeur she nonetheless harbors...

re: #126 JammieWearingFool

I checked out his contributions and he hasn't given anything individually since 1996.

Apparently hasn't lived in Michigan since the 80's.

He's been down in Reston VA.

re: #137 Golem Akbar

I have known people who have registered in the party that they don't like, just to vote for the most divisive and weakest candidate in the primary.

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #55 Ben Hur

The lunatics are back with a vengeance, and they want to take not just the asylum, but the whole galaxy.

HAIL XENU!

Unfortunately, the site for The First Church of Xenu is dead.

re: #121 Killgore Trout

I first came across this phenomenon through a member of the Larouche cult a few years back. When I showed him the verses from the Koran that clearly state that christians are blasphemers and invited him to 'read Allah's lips', he basically refused to process the information.

re: #8 mbruce

This goes way beyond partisan politics anymore. DC needs a fleabath badly.

That would be called term limits and I doubt any of the lot are going to kill their careers. They're too interested in their own power.

Running up to court before they lock the doors at the stroke of 4:30

BBL

re: #141 The Other Les

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #55 Ben Hur

The lunatics are back with a vengeance, and they want to take not just the asylum, but the whole galaxy.

HAIL XENU!

Unfortunately, the site for The First Church of Xenu is dead.

Damn, and I just clear all the thetans out of my bowels on the last thread. But on the bright side, according to Tom Cruise I am not SP KPSTD xy Q or some such. And I am cool if I get in a car accident.

re: #103 samsgran1948
You're not the only one wondering that about Ahmadinejad.

The former Republican congressman from Michigan, Mark Deli Siljander, was charged with money laundering, conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about lobbying senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.

I guess it goes to show what islamic charities are really all about. They're not interested in charitable giving- they're interested in islamic giving.

Here's a video of this asshole...

Mark Siljander, US Congress (ret.), addresses students as to the importance of the Fatwa for the United States and the rest of the world.

Something tells me that Deli isn't kosher.

re: #145 coquimbojoe

re: #141 The Other Les

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #55 Ben Hur

The lunatics are back with a vengeance, and they want to take not just the asylum, but the whole galaxy.

HAIL XENU!

Unfortunately, the site for The First Church of Xenu is dead.

Damn, and I just clear all the thetans out of my bowels on the last thread. But on the bright side, according to Tom Cruise I am not SP KPSTD xy Q or some such. And I am cool if I get in a car accident.

Just don't do the R2-45 procedure.

Easy, its' not like he got caught asking for sex in a public bathroom.

re: #101 loppyd

re: #87 a marine mom

Yet Ted-let's have another drink so I can poke you-Kennedy can run his car off a bridge, kill someone and flee the scene and get off scott free with never having to do his two months in jail. And he has been re-elected ever since to Congress.

Is this how it works?

From one Kennedy hater to another...Yes!

ah loppy, how can you hate the royal family. there's a law in MA about that isnt there?

re: #150 The Other Les

Just don't do the R2-45 procedure.

That should only be used if your R2 unit shows heavy carbon scoring.

re: #113 Jimmah

re: #72 medaura18586

Thanks medaura! I'm working on a mohammed cartoon of my own just now for my next one - not sure when that'll be though - I'm a bit out of practice on the drawing at the moment. So far the idea is there but the execution is lame...lol.

Turn her around and change her to a goat and you might just nail it.

re: #134 rappmandu

Hanging with Arafish

Maybe he knows where the red folder is.

re: #150 The Other Les

re: #145 coquimbojoe

re: #141 The Other Les

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #55 Ben Hur

The lunatics are back with a vengeance, and they want to take not just the asylum, but the whole galaxy.

HAIL XENU!

Unfortunately, the site for The First Church of Xenu is dead.

Damn, and I just clear all the thetans out of my bowels on the last thread. But on the bright side, according to Tom Cruise I am not SP KPSTD xy Q or some such. And I am cool if I get in a car accident.

Just don't do the R2-45 procedure.

Is that what the figurines in Jimmah's avatar are doing?

re: #138 medaura18586

I suppose that makes sense. In the meantime, they have to prove where their loyalty is... what a bang-up job at doing that! Pelosy is deluded if she thinks she's got much of a career/life left after this term. She has expired a couple of decades ago. But who knows what delusions of grandeur she nonetheless harbors...

Ah, she knows she will make a fine lobbyist one day for some "Islamic Charity outreach program" or foreign company that wants to build our weapon systems. If there are still any weapon systems still made in the U.S by then that is. What will be left that is still made in the USA once we aren't even building our own ships and such?

a christian supporting the islamists
dhimmi carter DUH

re: #156 coquimbojoe

Is that what the figurines in Jimmah's avatar are doing?

Where did Lego Mo find a blonde, anyway?

re: #115 Sharmuta

re: #91 blutonazi98

I too once thought I was a democrat- then I realized I wasn't enough of a hypocrite.

Only a grown-up can decide, push comes to shove, to be right over being liked.

re: #154 JohnAdams

re: #113 Jimmah

re: #72 medaura18586

Thanks medaura! I'm working on a mohammed cartoon of my own just now for my next one - not sure when that'll be though - I'm a bit out of practice on the drawing at the moment. So far the idea is there but the execution is lame...lol.

Turn her around and change her to a goat and you might just nail it.

blasphemy alert! Jimmah is really starved for Muslim attention... who knows what this new cartoon will start

re: #40 lawhawk

re: #26 Eowyn2

I'm trying to get a hold of the indictment, but I don't have access to PACER (the govt website for filings).

I'll try to pull it up for you.

re: #153 Occasional Reader

re: #150 The Other Les

Just don't do the R2-45 procedure.

That should only be used if your R2 unit shows heavy carbon scoring.

Or if he has something jammed in there real good.

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

He mentions "cross pollinating with the Muslims". This guy is spooky.

Sorry
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LETS SEE
now if a republican was a member of a 'white centric' church that gave a interview to DAVID DUKE just think of the 'up roar'

now if a democrat is a member of a 'black centric' church that gave a interview to Louis Farakon crickets cherping/

re: #153 Occasional Reader

re: #150 The Other Les

Just don't do the R2-45 procedure.

That should only be used if your R2 unit shows heavy carbon scoring.

Um... suggesting that someone do R2-45 will get you deleted or banned.

"R2-45: AN ENORMOUSLY EFFECTIVE PROCESS FOR EXTERIORIZATION BUT ITS USE IS FROWNED UPON BY THIS SOCIETY AT THIS TIME."

re: #164 Killgore Trout

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

He mentions "cross pollinating with the Muslims". This guy is spooky.

That sounds like it's up there with "alien probing."

OT:

Sucks to go up against the Tzhal!

I'm sick of all these fools trying to defend Islamic "charities," how fucking obvious is it that Muslims are financing terrorism through Zakat!

FOX NEWS

"Does America Want A CEO In The White House"

How about a not quite one termer from Illinois? That make MORE sense?

Democrap strategist asking the question...figures

/spit

re: #164 Killgore Trout

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

He mentions "cross pollinating with the Muslims". This guy is spooky.

Hitleresque in a really creepy way.

re: #163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or if he has something jammed in there real good.

Princess Leia was certainly one kinky little minx, wasn't she?

re: #156 coquimbojoe

re: #150 The Other Les

re: #145 coquimbojoe

re: #141 The Other Les

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #55 Ben Hur

The lunatics are back with a vengeance, and they want to take not just the asylum, but the whole galaxy.

HAIL XENU!

Unfortunately, the site for The First Church of Xenu is dead.

Damn, and I just clear all the thetans out of my bowels on the last thread. But on the bright side, according to Tom Cruise I am not SP KPSTD xy Q or some such. And I am cool if I get in a car accident.

Just don't do the R2-45 procedure.

Is that what the figurines in Jimmah's avatar are doing?

Um... No.

re: #158 yochanan

a christian supporting the islamists
dhimmi carter DUH

Same underlying theological error that allowed for this: replacement theology (of one form or the other). This is why it's so important for Christians to expose and refute it--such as Elwood McQuaid did in his jpost op-ed piece I Spinoff linked, and from the pulpit and seminaries.

There should be background checks required before people are allowed to throw their hats in the ring. These checks always seem to occur AFTER the fact. Could save us all alot of pain if it happened before. As usual, we are reactive instead of proactive.

May be Orwellian, but in today's world, probably prudent.

re: #1 rawmuse

I think Ms. Schlussel had something on this guy in here blog, but it was nothing but suspicions. Now perhaps confirmed.

It's her former boss? It's ironic Ms Schlussel recently wrote an absurd hit piece on Mitt Romney based on guilt-by-association logic.

re: #167 The Other Les

Ron was a nut, but at least he had good taste in handguns.

re: #173 Occasional Reader

re: #163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or if he has something jammed in there real good.

Princess Leia was certainly one kinky little minx, wasn't she?

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought."

OT:

The Phakestinians do not support terrorism or terrorists...(yea right!)

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan
Add that to the spinoffs please. People should see that video.

re: #172 debutaunt

Hitleresque in a really creepy way.

As opposed to, "Hitleresque, but in a very charming way"?

:P

re: #165 Poitiers-Lepanto

Sorry
TEST
TEST
TEST
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TEST

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Open book? *Fingers crossed*

re: #121 Killgore Trout

re: #95 Eowyn2

But giving the opposition money doesnt seem logical.

They don't see Islamists as the opposition, just another branch establishing moral and faith based societies. Just like Falwell and the Phelps cult blame 9/11 on gays and the morally bankrupt society that America has become. The Muslims wouldn't want to harm us if we were pious and behaved ourselves and paid for the air we breath.

fixed that for you.
I just dont see the point in paying for your own downfall. My mind cannot wrap around the whole thing.

re: #170 konservo

I'm sick of all these fools trying to defend Islamic "charities," how fucking obvious is it that Muslims are financing terrorism through Zakat!

The actions only the completely ignorant or a dhimmi could defend.

re: #179 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #173 Occasional Reader

re: #163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or if he has something jammed in there real good.

Princess Leia was certainly one kinky little minx, wasn't she?

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought."

Hey, I supplied that line months ago at Discarded Lies' "Your Sex Life in Star Wars quotes" thread.

Just goes to show the evils of Wahhabi-ism lobby-ism

re: #169 WrathofG-d

were are they going to get all those virgins

virgin goats?

re: #176 stuck-in-ca

There should be background checks required before people are allowed to throw their hats in the ring.

He would have passed that check back 30 years ago when he ran, it's just lately that the crazy has been made apparent.

Oh, I see. The MSM can tell us he was a Republican, but not that he was a muslim. I get it now.

re: #176 stuck-in-ca

There should be background checks required before people are allowed to throw their hats in the ring. These checks always seem to occur AFTER the fact. Could save us all alot of pain if it happened before. As usual, we are reactive instead of proactive.

May be Orwellian, but in today's world, probably prudent.

I figured the fact he's from Chicago would automatically disqualify him from public service.

/

I may be way off base but looking at the time line, is this a holdover from the money the US gave to Al Quida and its co-horts when they were fighting the russians?

The guy hasnt been in politics in how long? And they are going back to the 80s with this? Something stinks beside the nutball they have indicted.

re: #177 FoolsMate

Even though Debbie's article on this guy is important and probably accurate I can't bring myself to read it or give it a plus. She's a bottomless pit of bad information and stupid theories.

re: #182 Occasional Reader

re: #172 debutaunt

Hitleresque in a really creepy way.

As opposed to, "Hitleresque, but in a very charming way"?

:P

"This new girl I met doesn't smoke, like to paint, has a German Shepard, loves Wagner - she's so charmingly Hitleresque!"

Wow, didn't expect him to be a Republican...

re: #181 Killgore Trout

People should see that video.

There's something really strange about the hair on the crown of his head. Either that or he just took off his Hijab. Notice?

re: #107 Killgore Trout
Killgore, I see you added the excellent article to the Spinoff links, but instead of leaving the title as was ("Seeking Common Ground") you had to preface it with "Siljander's Christian Journey," thus contributing to the problem we Bible-believing Christians are having by confounding very anathema views of Christianity with what's "Christian." This is not helpful.

re: #139 lawhawk

re: #126 JammieWearingFool

I checked out his contributions and he hasn't given anything individually since 1996.

Apparently hasn't lived in Michigan since the 80's.

He's been down in Reston VA.

Yes, I found that in the bio I linked. When he was last making contributions (one to Chris Smith, btw), he was in another town in VA.

Linked you.

re: #194 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #182 Occasional Reader

re: #172 debutaunt

Hitleresque in a really creepy way.

As opposed to, "Hitleresque, but in a very charming way"?

:P

"This new girl I met doesn't smoke, like to paint, has a German Shepard, loves Wagner - she's so charmingly Hitleresque!"

she's an anti-vivisectionist and vegan too boot.

re: #178 Occasional Reader

re: #167 The Other Les

Ron was a nut, but at least he had good taste in handguns.

A M1911A1 will definitely be my next firearms purchase.

re: #146 Orde

Thanks, Orde! Someone really needs to make sure Mahmoud has the opportunity to watch this tribute.

Just heard on Howie Carr that the AG in SC is looking into push polling by Huckleberry Pie's supporters.

Looking for links...

re: #188 yochanan

Verily, Allah provides to his muujahaeeen, inshalllah!

/hahahah.

remember pat buchanan used to be a republican once a republican not always a republican.

Way OT but Charles may be intersted in this news:

Charles, looks like Sun Microsystems (JAVA) is buying the MySQL firm. Any thoughts?

re: #205 chicagodudewhotrades

Way OT but Charles may be intersted in this news:

Charles, looks like Sun Microsystems (JAVA) is buying the MySQL firm. Any thoughts?

Buy! Buy! Buy!

re: #189 Spenser (with an S)

There should be background checks required before people are allowed to throw their hats in the ring.

He would have passed that check back 30 years ago when he ran, it's just lately that the crazy has been made apparent.

That's true. Well, I guess the system works...he's been indicted.

re: #203 WrathofG-d

i pitty the goats one time i might support PETA

re: #205 chicagodudewhotrades

Way OT but Charles may be intersted in this news:

Charles, looks like Sun Microsystems (JAVA) is buying the MySQL firm. Any thoughts?

No wait!

Sell! Sell! Sell!

re: #182 Occasional Reader

re: #172 debutaunt

Hitleresque in a really creepy way.

As opposed to, "Hitleresque, but in a very charming way"?

:P

It was so smarmy and roundabout. Hitler was a flat-out thug.

re: #211 Rodan

The Left is gonna jump all over this.
We need a purge in the Republican Party!

Is he still a registered Rep?

re: #211 Rodan

The Left is gonna jump all over this.
We need a purge in the Republican Party!

Let's start the purge with all of the Republicans that have been out of office for 20 plus years. Geez.

re: #161 medaura18586

It'll be a faithful illustration of a hadith - muslims will have no possible complaint as far as I can see.

Hehe.

No mention of the AG looking into it...

Pro-Huckabee Push-Poll Calls in South Carolina

Here's one account:

My wife just answered a call that appears to be an automated push poll for the Huckster. It started out naming the Republican candidates starting with Huckabee and then asking if she intended to vote in the presidential preference primary. It then went through the candidates, one by one, asking if she would vote for that candidate. When she said "Yes" to Fred, she was asked if she knew that Fred was for this and against that—issues where Fred took the opposite side from Huck (and including the old BS that he lobbied for a company that was pro-abortion.) In each case, the "polls" aim was to make Huck look good and Fred look bad. She hung up before getting to the end and didn't hear who paid for the "poll."

The description of the call sounds like the ones being done by Common Sense Issues — a tax-exempt group registered in Delaware.

re: #197 Orde

This is not helpful.

His approach and it's development evolved from a Christian perspective. I think his political party affiliation has little or nothing to do with his support Islamists. Unless you have other evidence it seems his motivation is his religion, which happens to be Christian. If facts in this case and his motivation are what interests me. I'm sorry you find reality unhelpful.

re: #211 Rodan

The Left is gonna jump all over this.
We need a purge in the Republican Party!

What?

In case you were wondering:

Sixteen fractured gusset plates in the center span on Interstate 35W were a main cause of the deadly bridge collapse in Minneapolis last August, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said on Tuesday. The plates, which connected steel beams in the truss bridge, were roughly half the thickness they should have been because of a design error. How that flaw made it into the bridge is unclear; according to NTSB chairman Mark Rosenker, investigators couldn’t find the original design calculations. Extra weight from construction was also a factor in the tragedy, which killed 13 people and injured 100. The findings confirmed forecasts by investigators from three months after the collapse—plus engineering experts in the immediate aftermath—and underscored the dire state of America’s crumbling infrastructure.

re: #208 yochanan

I wonder if the camels will be jealous!
(before you accuse me...click the link)

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Unless you have other evidence it seems his motivation is his religion, which happens to be Christian. If facts in this case and his motivation are what interests me. I'm sorry you find reality unhelpful.

Up to your SOS again I see. Look at that video. Look at the pattern on his hair. He just took off his Hajib.

re: #12 Silhouette

Yeow! Siljander succeeded David Stockman. Stockman's been under federal indictment since last March, looking at 30 years if it all comes down. Revenue report manipulation. Plus, the SEC is after him, and those guys don't play around. Fred Upton holds that seat, now. He may at least want to change desks.

re: #215 loppyd

No mention of the AG looking into it...

Pro-Huckabee Push-Poll Calls in South Carolina

Here's one account: My wife just answered a call that appears to be an automated push poll for the Huckster. It started out naming the Republican candidates starting with Huckabee and then asking if she intended to vote in the presidential preference primary. It then went through the candidates, one by one, asking if she would vote for that candidate. When she said "Yes" to Fred, she was asked if she knew that Fred was for this and against that—issues where Fred took the opposite side from Huck (and including the old BS that he lobbied for a company that was pro-abortion.) In each case, the "polls" aim was to make Huck look good and Fred look bad. She hung up before getting to the end and didn't hear who paid for the "poll."

The description of the call sounds like the ones being done by Common Sense Issues — a tax-exempt group registered in Delaware.

I got one of those here in Vegas yesterday. It was an amazing load of crap.

re: #211 Rodan

The Left is gonna jump all over this.
We need a purge in the Republican Party!

Is he still a registered Rep?

Let's start the purge with all of the Republicans that have been out of office for 20 plus years. Geez.

What?

Yeah, what they said!

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

re: #222 coquimbojoe

More here...

His GOP rivals are critical of them as well.

"I know that Nevada voters won't respond to these deplorable tactics and blatant lies," said Joe Brezny, Nevada director of the Mitt Romney campaign. "Nevadans want an issues-based campaign, a campaign about the future of our country, and we won't take kindly to out-of-state special interest groups calling us up and lying about a candidate's record."

Attorneys general in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina have been asked to investigate the calls. A call to the Nevada attorney general's office was not returned Tuesday.

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

That isn't nearly as important as what he is alleged to have done - help fund al Qaeda through his lobbying efforts.

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

Yes it will.

He is white and at least formerly an outspoken Christian.

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

He's a white guy and a Christian.

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

exactly, just heard the news on abc radio. the very first thing reported was his party affiliation.

re: #219 WrathofG-d

re: #208 yochanan

I wonder if the camels will be jealous!
(before you accuse me...click the link)

Lets try this LINK.

re: #158 yochanan

a christian supporting the islamists
dhimmi carter DUH

Yeah, Mr. Peanut is our Olbert.

re: #228 Killgore Trout

From your spinoff link:

Toting his new book--A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide, Siljander explained how, according to his studies, the two religions aren't so different after all.

I guess that explains it.

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment
but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious
affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

Whatever his religion is, I don't think that Deli is Kosher.
/rimshot

re: #228 Killgore Trout

He's a white guy and a Christian.

Who wears a Hajib when the camera isn't on him. None so blind...
Oh, I'm sorry that phrase probably originated in the Bible, which might offend you.
TS

OT:

This guy wants a breast eduction, but he should realize in the long run they could actually save him a lot of money, he doesn't have to go out looking to meet women.

Maybe he's a 'glass-half-empty' type of guy...

/HT Swede

re: #228 Killgore Trout

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

He's a white guy and a Christian.

And a fool.

re: #228 Killgore Trout

re: #224 Johntonomo

The left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation of this "Deli Siljander."

He's a white guy and a Christian.

ROSIE! Forgive! Forgive!

re: #236 coquimbojoe

re: #228 Killgore Trout

re: #224 Johntonomo

The
left will jump on this due to the "R" and the Reagan appointment but
nary a word will be spoken about the ethnicity or religious affiliation
of this "Deli Siljander."

He's a white guy and a Christian.

And a fool.

And a traitor.

Bibliography

Siljander, Mark D.

A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide. New York: HarperOne, 2008.

re: #234 EC Marm

So you're claiming he's a transvestite too. Maybe he was motivated by the Islamists tolerance for homosexuality.

re: #232 Sharmuta

Perhaps another case of someone believing in so many principles that he has none of his own.

re: #193 Killgore Trout

I just heard of her yesterday when someone linked her really lame hit piece on Romney. I skimmed through six or eight of the stories there and came to the same conclusion. I gave her spinoff link a minus.

A guy that takes money to sell out his own country ought to be willing to trade information.

re: #181 Killgore Trout

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan
Add that to the spinoffs please. People should see that video.

Done

re: #235 coquimbojoe

Mr Jardine said he tries to cover up his body shape

That of course, is the caption under the BBC's picture of him topless.

He must be very happy about that.

Thanks BBC!

re: #225 loppyd

re: #222 coquimbojoe

More here...

His GOP rivals are critical of them as well.

"I know that Nevada voters won't respond to these deplorable tactics and blatant lies," said Joe Brezny, Nevada director of the Mitt Romney campaign. "Nevadans want an issues-based campaign, a campaign about the future of our country, and we won't take kindly to out-of-state special interest groups calling us up and lying about a candidate's record."

Attorneys general in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina have been asked to investigate the calls. A call to the Nevada attorney general's office was not returned Tuesday.

Honest question though; why should the law be called in? Isn't it just jackassery, and nothing illegal?

re: #240 Killgore Trout

re: #234 EC Marm

So you're claiming he's a transvestite too. Maybe he was motivated by the Islamists tolerance for homosexuality.

Whatever that beanie that muslim males wear. Did you look at the video? It's clear as day. Of course, I'm exposed to more Christians than you, but it's not something you'll ever see on one. Except, some will don one as a sign of respect in a Jewish Temple.

More from Killgore's spinoff:

"I found out that Jesus was mentioned in the Quran 110 times, either directly or indirectly, and there was not a single word about Jesus that was horrible, disgraceful or, in my opinion, inconsistent with what the Bible says about him," he said.

While the separate concepts of "God," "Messiah" and "Holy Spirit" are common to both religions, Siljander said the word "trinity" is only a man-made word used by Christians as a collective label for those concepts, and since it's not found anywhere in the New Testament, Christians should set it aside for the sake of relating to Muslims.

After days of discussions with Sudan's President Omar al Bashir, Siljander said the ruler introduced him to his religious and political advisors, who then invited him and his delegation to speak at the Khartoum Shari'a Law School. "It opened up amazing doors," Siljander said.

Wow- he's gone dhimmi.

re: #234 EC Marm

Who wears a Hajib

Muslim men don't wear hijabs. (I assume you mean "hijab")

re: #235 coquimbojoe

re: #245 Ben Hur

Please no moob thread. ;-P

He's a spy.

re: #249 Occasional Reader

re: #234 EC Marm

Who wears a Hajib

Muslim men don't wear hijabs. (I assume you mean "hijab")

They do when they are hiding their terrorist asses from the law.

re: #225 loppyd

re: #222 coquimbojoe

More here...

His GOP rivals are critical of them as well.

I had a couple of those calls from the sleazy Gov. Huskter campaign. I wish I had recorded them.

re: #239 Lawrence Schmerel

I look forward to a "bridging of the two religions". May it come soon in our days, and bring an everlasting peace between the two peoples...

But everytime I have ever attended a Jewish-Islam Bridging thing...it is usually 2 hours of Judaism bashing, Israel blaming, and some idiotic Reform ("Jew") "rabbi", etc. appologizing, begging forgiveness, self blaming, and bowing down to the Islamists.

re: #248 Sharmuta

More from Killgore's spinoff:

"I found out that Jesus was mentioned in the Quran 110 times, either directly or indirectly, and there was not a single word about Jesus that was horrible, disgraceful or, in my opinion, inconsistent with what the Bible says about him," he said.

While the separate concepts of "God," "Messiah" and "Holy Spirit" are common to both religions, Siljander said the word "trinity" is only a man-made word used by Christians as a collective label for those concepts, and since it's not found anywhere in the New Testament, Christians should set it aside for the sake of relating to Muslims.

After days of discussions with Sudan's President Omar al Bashir, Siljander said the ruler introduced him to his religious and political advisors, who then invited him and his delegation to speak at the Khartoum Shari'a Law School. "It opened up amazing doors," Siljander said.

Wow- he's gone dhimmi.

British used to say someone had "gone native" this gone is waaayyy gone.