Morons.

More fresh meat for Iowahawk.

My prediction: People will buy it. All of it. Or a lot of them will.

I'm shocked I tell you. Imagine that. Also cross check these guys against "All In One Trench". Seems that their story is made up of straw by one of the pigs builders useful idiots.

re: #1 VegasRick

Morons.

Not morons, co-conspirators.

Moonbat porn.

re: #1 VegasRick

Morons.

You're being polite. I'd call them Soros accolytes having the intention of destroying the United States.

re: #3 rawmuse

Well, sure. It has "Center" and "Fund" on it, and everyone knows that those two nouns indicate an unbiased group.

/sarc

Odd but it was President Bill Clinton who made it US policy to topple Saddam H. sometime during 1993-2000.

Why was George Soros' truth squad during Clinton's term?

All the news that pays better than the other news -- AP

'A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.'

The long version of 'Bush lied, millions died.'
// AP regurgitates.

The study concluded that the statements “were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.”

Which can mean only one thing: the wicked Bush & Cheney used their time machine to go back and ramp up the false intel during the 1990's.

Evil geniuses.

"non-profit journalism organizations".

I'll bet Communications Depts and J-Schools are just chockful of blowdries eager to get out and work for them...

Other Liars:

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
-- John Edwards, October 10, 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, October 2002

Of course, digg readers reported it this way: Study Confirms Bush Administration Lied prior to Iraq War.

tools.

Those who rewrite and deny history are destined to repeat it.

re: #9 alegrias

Odd but it was President Bill Clinton who made it US policy to topple Saddam H. sometime during 1993-2000.

Why was George Soros' truth squad during Clinton's term?

The history books will be rewritten corrected under the new woman president.

The Soros/Clinton DNC machine is stetting the stage.
Control of the state.

re: #3 rawmuse

Of course they will. When your literacy is limited to watching the Simpsons, what more do you expect. The general state of knowledge of the history of the ME in the US is so close to zero you could make a Bose condensate out of it.

#9 correction

WHERE was George Soros' truth squad during Clinton's term?
or,
WHY was George Soros' truth squad silent during Clinton's term?

Because Pres. Clinton was all about protecting & defending our country!

What utter, complete garbage. Intelligence agencies from at least 7 different nations (including Germany and France) all said the same thing: Saddam has WMD's. All 7 of them including those who chose to let him continue to amass more WMD's, in spite of his proven willingness to use them (when he gassed masses of Kurds).
IF these are indeed "non-profit" agencies, I'd like to have the IRS look into their status as such.

Quick! somebody also tell AP that Bush's EPA is refusing to deny that they are covering up the dangers of DHMO!

Nonprofit journalism.

AKA, job security directly correlated to writing biased garbage.

re: #20 alegrias

#9 correction

WHERE was George Soros' truth squad during Clinton's term?
or,
WHY was George Soros' truth squad silent during Clinton's term?

Because Pres. Clinton was all about protecting & defending our country!

You need to correct your memory. SaintPresident Clinton never believed Saddam was a threat. [sarc tag unnecessary]

re: #14 HillarysJockstrap

Let's just go to the video tape, shall we?

If Soros and his lackeys think the Bush Administration are liars, what about all of those folks in that fine video? And that's just the tip of the iceberg - from well before President Bush took office.

WMD? What WMD? We don't have any Iraqi WMD in my country.

The AP has to know what this is. They probably don't care. They know it will resonate with a percentage of the public and that is who they are playing to. Fortunately, the internet is available to expose this crap quickly.

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...] inconvenient quotes.

It's not like journalism organizations set out to be nonprofit. The public just makes sure of it.

Were the statements a priori or a posteriori false?

or was it 936?

Need to be accurate you know.

re: #27 coquimbojoe

The AP has to know what this is. They probably don't care. They know it will resonate with a percentage of the public and that is who they are playing to. Fortunately, the internet is available to expose this crap quickly.

The real reason AP prints this: $$$Truthbedamned.

re: #30 rappmandu

Were the statements a priori or a posteriori false?

Neither.
- WMD was found in Iraq, though not in the quantities believed.
- WMD manufacturing facilities were found.
- al Qaida links were confirmed, though "some" considered them weaker than believed.

re: #21 realwest

What utter, complete garbage. Intelligence agencies from at least 7 different nations (including Germany and France) all said the same thing: Saddam has WMD's. All 7 of them including those who chose to let him continue to amass more WMD's, in spite of his proven willingness to use them (when he gassed masses of Kurds).
IF these are indeed "non-profit" agencies, I'd like to have the IRS look into their status as such.

* * *

Chemical Ali, Saddam's cousin, gassing 5,000 villagers to death in Halabja---
Who are you going to believe, the filmed footage or the "inspectors" Clousseau escorted around by Baathist party and Hussein Army troops>

And as far as ex-General Stormin Norman Schwartzkopf now endorsing John McCain, on behalf of dead Kurds in Northern Iraq I say pfffttt, way to enable their executioner. Loser.

“In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003.”

If their premise is that you must believe Bush Administration would knowingly propagate erroneous information about WMD, then my question is; if the Bush Administration is this amoral, then why wouldn't the just frame Saddam and plant the WMD's themselves?

I actually have asked people this question, and i never get an answer. Only that deer in the headlights look.

Money talks, bullsh*t truth walks -- AP

I canceled my subscription to my local outlet for New York Times propaganda, AKA, the Kansas City Star. I feel better, but come here to get irritated and reassure myself all still sucks. Is it still necessary for the MSM to bash Bush? What good does that do?

Yessir Mr. $oro$
Whatever you say.

This "report" is an unimaginative regurgitation of worn-out Moonbat Talking Points.

Can't they get anything more original?

Just remember. Soros is funding Barak Hussein Obama.

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,”

Warner Todd Huston at Newsbusters rebutted this well:

Two things here. First, few people now think Saddam had WMDs, of course. But nearly everyone thought he had them before we went into Iraq -- including the leadership of every nation on the planet as well as Saddam's own generals. So, it was not a "lie" if it was commonly thought to be true by nearly every head of state in the world. That Saddam had WMDs may have been a mistaken notion, but it was not a lie before it was known for sure!

Secondly, it is interesting that this "study" claims that Bush "lied" about links with al-Qaeda. Yet even they have to massage that claim of a lie into "meaningful ties to al-Qaida." This means that even they are admitting that there are ties with al-Qaeda but that they aren't "meaningful."

Does that mean the "lie" is not that the ties exist but how "meaningful" they are? Instead of a lie we are squabbling over semantics. In essence, Bush DIDN'T lie about ties to al-Qaida, the is just a debate on how "meaningful" those ties are.

More here:

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

re: #35 Black George Bush

if the Bush Administration is this amoral, then why wouldn't the just frame Saddam and plant the WMD's themselves?

Yep.
Why indeed.

It's been awhile since I realized the AP had an agenda. But it's good to know...

The precursor to MiniTruth.

It's nice when the pre-determined conclusion leads to the "research."

/

re: #37 kansas

I canceled my subscription to my local outlet for New York Times propaganda, AKA, the Kansas City Star. I feel better, but come here to get irritated and reassure myself all still sucks. Is it still necessary for the MSM to bash Bush? What good does that do?

* * *

My guess:
The MSM can't bring themselves to go negative against John McCain just yet, though John Edwards & HIllary C. want him to be the Iraqi War Prolonger of Bush's Problem candidate.

Until the MSM have McCain as their GOP candidate, it's bash Bush.

A study of anti war liars would find 10million lies from their side to stop a necessary war against terror.

Bubba Clinton redefined "is," with the MSM and the left's willing assistance.

Why should anyone be surprised at their continuing attempts to redefine the word "lie"?

/Orwell was a genius

Do all these Moonbats feel comfortable being mere Assclown Puppets for one of the greediest, most unscrupulous capitalist pigs in modern history?

It still begs the question.

Iraq had and used Chemical weapons.

We still do not know the disposition of of those stockpiles we know Saddam had, that he declared he had at the end of GWI.

Did they degrade and where disposed of?
Did they get stashed in the desert?
Did they get transfered?

Bottom line, a lot of really nasty stuff's location or final disposition is the unknown category.

That's an unknown I'm not really comfortable with.

re: #35 Black George Bush

if the Bush Administration is this amoral, then why wouldn't they just frame Saddam and plant the WMD's themselves?

Good question.

So, which it is libs - is Bush an evil genius or a buffoon? Pick one, you can't have it both ways.

re: #49 Nolocon

Do all these Moonbats feel comfortable being mere Assclown Puppets for one of the greediest, most unscrupulous capitalist pigs in modern history?

Apparently it's okay to be a greedy, unscrupulous capitalist as long as you hate America enough.

Bush responds.

A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.

Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.

The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.

New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003.

“The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research,” said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.

The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset. ...

Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study

re: #33 HillarysJockstrap

I'd appreciate it if you'd leave the truth out of this and stick to the manuFACTured facts.

/

re: #53 Racer X

Bush responds.

Heheheheheh.

George Soros apparently has a problem with our having liberated millions of people from tyranny, human-shredders, WMD, and terror-training fudning & sites inside Iraq.

Soros would have sided against Roosevelt for our "illlegal okkupayshun" of Europe when we only had Winston Churchill's word to go by that things were "bad" on the continent thousands of miles away.

How could they say that Bush lied about Iraq having WMD's? Why, two of the Paulestinians in the office were just yesterday lamenting how we gave chemical weapons to Iraq.

/yes, they're all wrong

Soros outsmarted by pig cowboy builders, yet again!

Oh, and I know that my LLLiberal friends around me will be touting this report with bells on, dancing and singing about how it proves Bush lied! Alas, truth cannot be force fed.

I hope and pray that whoever published this propaganda is held accountable. This is aiding the enemy at a time of war. They should discredit the soros propaganda and then execute this trash for treason. If he is not an american citizen, send him to jail take over his accounts.

well, one could go out today and make it a point to say something nice about the Bush administration, the economy, or, the war effort!

“In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003.”

They forgot to mention how Bush, Cheney and Rudy Giuliani orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, making it appear as if it was actually committed by Saudi terrorists hiding in Afghanistan as a pretext for invading Iraq and stealing their oil.

re: #57 alegrias

He's pissed, his oil for food share value went in the crapper.

re: #60 vxbush

Hence, the net result.

Is Al-Sahaf working for AP now?

Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism

I know this is a silly question, but why do we even need the AP any more? If we want to know what Soros is thinking, why don't we just give him a channel and a 24 hour All Soros channel to pick his brain.

I know, you may be tempted to say "That's MSNBC!", but remember, they show the predator tapes and infomercials about 30% of the time - close, tho.

re: #57 alegrias

Soros would have sided against Roosevelt for our "illlegal okkupayshun" of Europe when we only had Winston Churchill's word to go by that things were "bad" on the continent thousands of miles away.

At that time, Soros had already sided with the nazis to rat out all the Jews who owned property.

The Man Who Would be Kingmaker, Part I

“If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble,” Soros once wrote. When asked to elaborate on that passage by The Independent, Soros said, “It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of God, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.”

“Since I began to live it out.” For those who have followed his career and socio-political endeavors, this pretentious statement is not taken lightly. Soros has proven that with the vast resources of money at his command he has the ability to make the once unthinkable normal. His work as a self-professed “amoral” financial speculator has left millions in poverty. He has overthrown governments throughout the world, pumping so much cash into shaping former Soviet republics to his liking that he has bragged that the former Soviet Empire is now the “Soros Empire” (although that “Empire” did not last for very long; when he no longer served the former Soviets’ purposes, his Empire was taken away from him).

Somewhere I read Soros helped fund John McCain's International Republican Institute. Not surprisingly!

Unfortunately another case of "Lies cam make it around the world before the truth can get its boots on" :(

Of course there is no connection between Iraq and al qaeda, we are fighting the zen monks in there !
And Saddam has never gassed anyone.

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,” according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members

Even assuming that this is true (which is debateable. . .Hussein had months to conceal/dispose of his WMD, and there is some evidence that's exactly what he did), so what?

In the post 9-11 era individuals and groups with bad histories no longer get the benefit of the doubt about WMD. *NOBODY* doubts that Hussein had WMD at one point and wanted to get more, and *NOBODY* doubts that he had engaged in systematic deception about his programs for years. There is a mountain of evidence on this. Hussein was also systematically bribing the watchdogs in his corrupt "oil for food" program meaning outside international safeguards couldn't be trusted.

At any point Hussein could have opened himself up to full inspections and avoided the war and his subsequent trial and execution. Had he done that, he'd still be in charge of Iraq right now.

Run with it you dumb media bastards, put more egg on your face!

re: #54 J.D.

Thanks J.D.

re: #60 vxbush

Oh, and I know that my LLLiberal friends around me will be touting this report with bells on, dancing and singing about how it proves Bush lied! Alas, truth cannot be force fed.

I stomped on a co-worker in a meeting for the 650,000 Iraqis died line.
He brought it up completely inappropriately.
I said, "Do you know where that number came from? I do."
"Do you know how obtained the data? I do."
"Do you know how they analyzed the data? I do."
"Then you'd know that's bullshit."

He hasn't changed his opinion, but it doesn't open his trap around me.

`I've already had 4 people at work come to me gloating and saying 'Did you hear about that report that proves Bush lied?' Nice... Whem I point out to them that George Soros funded it and how evil and biased Soros is, they say, oh come on, Bush lied and led us into a war for oil...

I think that a majority of people will buy this hook, line and sinker... And the Administration is too busy getting their moving boxes together for their exit from the White House to answer these libelous accusations...

...

Hillary started talking "recession," and Soros was doing something with all his money.
Now the world stock markets plummet and the US's market (you know, where the "recession" supposedly is) doesn't really tank.
I'm as interested in what Soros has been doing financially as I am with this more easily debunked diversion.

I believe the MSM and like-minded "progressive" acolytes will continue to bash Bush until he is "frogmarched" and/or tried and executed as a war criminal in the Hague. This deranged vendetta won't end with the end of his presidency.

re: #37 kansas

I canceled my subscription to my local outlet for New York Times propaganda, AKA, the Kansas City Star. I feel better, but come here to get irritated and reassure myself all still sucks. Is it still necessary for the MSM to bash Bush? What good does that do?

re: #63 Ringo the Gringo

They are working on that report...

[Link: ednet.rvc.cc.il.us...] Iraq Liberation Act 1998,signed by Clinton, read the first 15 paragraphs.

The bottom line problem is dumb people's vote counts just like someone who is actually aware, and dems/libs know that. This could make nice sound bites for the consumption of people who forgot to change their TV channel and have the news on in the background.

Facts simply get in the way of the AP. I can't quite understand what is going on in the brain of the reporters and editors who read these kind of things before they are broadcast across the world, and put their stamp of approval on it.

One nut in the chain is one thing, but this involves several people in positions of responsibility. They all had to give this the "OK" to send it as if it was fact to the world.

re: #83 beens21

Hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good inane rant... /

The most stupid president in U.S. history, George Bush:

- Planned and executed the 9/11 attacks.
- Diabolically orchestrated a worldwide campaign of lies, beginning in the early 1990s, about Iraq's WMD that fooled literally every major intelligence service on Planet Earth.
- Cleverly connived Bill Clinton to enact the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act.

And in the end, only Soros, Kos, Blix and B. Hussein Obama were able to withstand Bush's evil Jedi mind tricks.

I ended this argument with my lib friends in 2003 when they said "Bush Lied" back then. I simply said that Bush believed what Clinton told him.

re: #86 Nolocon

The most stupid president in U.S. history, George Bush:

- Planned and executed the 9/11 attacks.
- Diabolically orchestrated a worldwide campaign of lies, beginning in the early 1990s, about Iraq's WMD that fooled literally every major intelligence service on Planet Earth.
- Cleverly connived Bill Clinton to enact the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act.

And in the end, only Soros, Kos, Blix and B. Hussein Obama were able to withstand Bush's evil Jedi mind tricks.

Don't forget how he planted evidence to support all his fabricated plans.

Didn't he?

The AP and other MSM organizations can't die fast enough.

re: #83 beens21

[Link: ednet.rvc.cc.il.us...] Iraq Liberation Act 1998,signed by Clinton, read the first 15 paragraphs.

As I said in #80, easily debunked diversion.
What is Soros up to financially?

re: #87 Rodan

Come on man, waterboarding is torture...

/

re: #78 tfc3rid

I think that a majority of people will buy this hook, line and sinker... And the Administration is too busy getting their moving boxes together for their exit from the White House to answer these libelous accusations...

Exactly correct. It's more entertaining and easier for the majority to just eat this up then give it actual consideration and perhaps even read opposing viewpoints.

re: #90 AuldTrafford

Planted evidence like he planted the bombs in the WTC!

Then all of the people in the government who were going to blow the whistle were executed...

re: #95 tfc3rid

re: #90 AuldTrafford

Planted evidence like he planted the bombs in the WTC!

Then all of the people in the government who were going to blow the whistle were executed...

Unfortunately, Rosie found out ...

re: #94 duckydan

Mainly because this is the canard they have heard for 4 years now... Bush lied, Bush lied... Now there is 'proof'.

re: #96 AuldTrafford

Glad her Engineering degree has come in handy!

I kind of like that this story is getting play - hopefully that evil genius Rove is working out how to bring this up in context of Team Clinton and their machinations to remove Sadaam from office...

Bwah ah hah...

My wife thinks we need to pass a test before being allowed to vote. I don't know if it should be IQ or drug, but lately I think it needs to be both.

re: #87 Rodan

Soros shpuld be labeled an enemy combatant, waterboarded and sent to Gitmo. He's a threat to America and should be treated as such.

* * *
But Soros is a friend of John McCain so that's off the table--hey, aren't they supposed to be together at the Davos World Economic Forum (with John Kerry, another global thinker), except McCain's got a mega fundraiser here in his home town of Washington DC!

Waiting for the dems/libs to use this piece of fresh rancid red meat to help bolster their impeach Cheney/Bush crusade/jihad.

You know its coming.

re: #102 tripster

And to pull the other Republicans in Congress down with them...

re: #100 alegrias

rest assured if McCain becomes president he'll be treated just as poorly because he's an eeevil republican

re: #100 alegrias

re: #87 Rodan

Soros shpuld be labeled an enemy combatant, waterboarded and sent to Gitmo. He's a threat to America and should be treated as such.

* * *
But Soros is a friend of John McCain so that's off the table--hey, aren't they supposed to be together at the Davos World Economic Forum (with John Kerry, another global thinker), except McCain's got a mega fundraiser here in his home town of Washington DC!

Please provide links to the Soros/McCain unholy union?

re: #102 tripster

Waiting for the dems/libs to use this piece of fresh rancid red meat to help bolster their impeach Cheney/Bush crusade/jihad.

You know its coming.

It's here, in WA State.

re: #64 jcm

re: #57 alegrias

He's pissed, his oil for food share value went in the crapper.

* * *
You're so right, Soros was profiting from the corrupt billions bilked in the UN oil for food scandal.

PS, did you all see that Gaza gets sacks of freed US-foodstuffs with English written all over them, when there's cheap food to be had next door in Egypt? From a picture in today's Washington Express.

re: #104 Rodan

George Sopros should be investigated for his Nazi colloborator past. I wish Israel would abduct him!

And you have a link for that? (See, Comment #101.)

re: #80 mean Gene

Hillary started talking "recession," and Soros was doing something with all his money.
Now the world stock markets plummet and the US's market (you know, where the "recession" supposedly is) doesn't really tank.
I'm as interested in what Soros has been doing financially as I am with this more easily debunked diversion.

Don't yell at me. But, I think this recession talk and stock market dive was started by the movers and shakers to drive down interest rates and force congress on making Bush's tax cuts permanent.
When and if those things happen, the market will soar.

Soros told the world that the US was headed into a "recession," then he shorted India's stock market* which duly fell so fast they had to halt trading.
What did he do in Europe?
Europe's situation has been tenuous for a few years as a resuly of juryrigging the numbers so the lead EU nations didn't look as bad as they really are.
So, what did Soros do to precipitate the plummeting of all Europe's markets?

*[Link: www.thefirstpost.co.uk...]
(last paragraph)

re: #101 Rodan

re: #100 alegrias

Do you have any links showing this?

* * *

From today's politico.com

McCain plans major DC funder

John McCain's campaign is planning a big-ticket Beltway fundraiser next week aimed at maximizing their status as one of the race's frontrunners.

The $1,000 per-person reception will take place at lobbyist-and-lawmaker haunt Charlie Palmer's on the foot of Capitol Hill next Monday -- a day before the Floriday primary.

A copy of the invitation lists 29 co-chairs -- heavy on lobbyists -- but notes that this is only as of yesterday. In other words, there is still time to sign up and raise cash.

Promising to bring in $10K makes one a co-chair.

And if McCain wins Florida it will be recalled who was there the day before.

I once asked a Moonbat to name a single American citizen who was yanked from his home and sent to Gitmo without a trial, habeas corpus, etc., as Moonbats have been claiming for the past 5 years.

He said he couldn't name anyone, which he said was proof that the Government was keeping it all a secret.

I couldn't even respond.

re: #113 nolocon

I once asked a Moonbat to name a single American citizen who was yanked from his home and sent to Gitmo without a trial, habeas corpus, etc., as Moonbats have been claiming for the past 5 years.

He said he couldn't name anyone, which he said was proof that the Government was keeping it all a secret.

I couldn't even respond.

Remember: The complete lack of evidence is PROOF POSITIVE that the CONSPIRACY is working!

/Do I really need this?

You mean Bill Clinton lied to us?! I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

re: #113 nolocon

Why are you debating with him? He's the intellectual equivalent of a brick wall

re: #110 littleO

re: #80 mean Gene

Hillary started talking "recession," and Soros was doing something with all his money.
Now the world stock markets plummet and the US's market (you know, where the "recession" supposedly is) doesn't really tank.
I'm as interested in what Soros has been doing financially as I am with this more easily debunked diversion.

Don't yell at me. But, I think this recession talk and stock market dive was started by the movers and shakers to drive down interest rates and force congress on making Bush's tax cuts permanent.
When and if those things happen, the market will soar.

I disagree simply because lenders are skittish now about lending (to some) at any price. So this whole housing bubble/loan bail out thingy will only help real estate investors instead of the little man who loses his personal house (that he shouldn't have been able to qualify for in the first place.)

Think back.
Hillary started the "recession" talk despite the fact that there are NO official signs that one is on the way!
No three quarters in a row of losses, no double-digit unemployment, no high inflation, no lines for commodities, etc.

It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction

sooo who gassed the kurds?...maybe...the C.I.A.?
and who was it that killed thousands of iranian solders in the marshelands during the war?...i know...it was ross preot's U.F.O.'s...damn that elvis, it's all his fault

true, the u.n. inspectors could not find any weapons...but wasn't one of the news networks thrown out od bagdad because they took a picture of a chinese silkworm missel crossing a bridge in bagdad?
a missel that was on the banned list...a missel that the u.n. inspectors had not found. BTW...what ever happened to that missel? if it was fired, why were we not told when and where it landed? if it was captured, why do we not know about it...or was it "destroyed" by saddam...trust him and take his word for it...just like he "destroyed" his chemical weapons.

Soros? Intellectually dishonest?

No, I just can't believe it!
/

re: #106 coquimbojoe

re: #100 alegrias

re: #87 Rodan

Soros shpuld be labeled an enemy combatant, waterboarded and sent to Gitmo. He's a threat to America and should be treated as such.

* * *
But Soros is a friend of John McCain so that's off the table--hey, aren't they supposed to be together at the Davos World Economic Forum (with John Kerry, another global thinker), except McCain's got a mega fundraiser here in his home town of Washington DC!

Please provide links to the Soros/McCain unholy union?

* * *

It's been a couple years and sorry I can't find link now; had to do with McCain's presidency of the International Republican Institute and one of it's Soros-affiliated grantors/contributors.

But their attendance at the World Economic Forum in Davos happened in past also.

Hi Y'all,

Don't know if this was posted here yet, but definitely worth a look...and it's even ON topic!

Video of Dem Hypocrisy About Iraq

re: #114 CIA Reject

They were all smokng pot behind the guy during logic class. They think Occam's Razor, is a shaving instrument an NBA player is the pitch man for.

Guess who said this?

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

And this?

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."

I wonder, if GW was resourceful enough to lie the entire world 934,311,093,321,123,3812,986,109 times without getting cought, how come he couldn't PLANT some WMD in Iraq?

AP lied, brain cells died.

re: #111 mean Gene

It sounds as if he's trying to make his own predictions come true!
And BTW, # 110-little O-it's not to force making the Bush tax cuts permanent, it's to wreck the US economy, to make sure that nanny-state democrats sweep the next election!

re: #124 loppyd

Hitlery?

It never ceases to amaze me how the Dems can't remember that in this day and age, everything they have said is on tape or YouTube. They keep trying to say, "I was taken out of context" when the entire context is available.

Sadly, too many are willing to believe what they say right now, not what they may have said last week to now looks bad.

They are a total disgrace to their country.

re: #116 Defector01

re: #113 nolocon

Why are you debating with him? He's the intellectual equivalent of a brick wall

You are talking about Georgie "Alzheimer" Soros, I presume.

re: #109 AuldTrafford

re: #104 Rodan

George Sopros should be investigated for his Nazi colloborator past. I wish Israel would abduct him!

And you have a link for that? (See, Comment #101.)

Soros interview on "60 Minutes"

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that’s–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t–you don’t see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

re: #53 Racer X

Bush responds.

Perhaps the Best Pres. Bush photo EVER!

re: #126 nyexpat

I'd have to say right now, it is working...

re: #127 tfc3rid

re: #124 loppyd

Hitlery?

DING DING DING DING!

The first one is her...now who is #2?

Someone above was talking about the McCain-Soros links.

Well, found one, which is based on McCain's anti-1st Amendment campaign finance reform group getting monies from Soros-linked groups.

More here.

Captain Ed also notes some strange links here.

re: #133 loppyd

Mr. Hitlery?

re: #122 jcm

LOL!

re: #133 loppyd

Could it be Mr. Osama, I mean, Obama?

re: #134 lawhawk

Someone above was talking about the McCain-Soros links.

Well, found one, which is based on McCain's anti-1st Amendment campaign finance reform group getting monies from Soros-linked groups.

More here.

Captain Ed also notes some strange links here.

There is a whole book about the finance reform movement organized by Soros to alter the landscape of american politics:
The Shadow Party

And McCain played in their hands.

re: #118 cannon2

It is widely believed that most of Hussein's wmd's were shipped west, into Syria. As far as UN inspectors, I would be surprised if any of them were any more observant than EL Baradei, who couldn't find his ass with both hands and a map!

They allow that video on Youtube! I'm shocked! Heh.

re: #121 yitzy

Hi Y'all,

Don't know if this was posted here yet, but definitely worth a look...and it's even ON topic!

Video of Dem Hypocrisy About Iraq

re: #135 Endangered in MASS

re: #133 loppyd

Mr. Hitlery?

LOL. Nope.

Hint: he can't throw a baseball to save his life.

re: #86 Nolocon

"And in the end, only Soros, Kos, Blix and B. Hussein Obama were able to withstand Bush's evil Jedi mind tricks."

You forgot to mention Scott Ritter.

re: #117 mean Gene

re: #110 littleO

re: #80 mean Gene

Hillary started talking "recession," and Soros was doing something with all his money.
Now the world stock markets plummet and the US's market (you know, where the "recession" supposedly is) doesn't really tank.
I'm as interested in what Soros has been doing financially as I am with this more easily debunked diversion.

Don't yell at me. But, I think this recession talk and stock market dive was started by the movers and shakers to drive down interest rates and force congress on making Bush's tax cuts permanent.
When and if those things happen, the market will soar.

I disagree simply because lenders are skittish now about lending (to some) at any price. So this whole housing bubble/loan bail out thingy will only help real estate investors instead of the little man who loses his personal house (that he shouldn't have been able to qualify for in the first place.)

Think back.
Hillary started the "recession" talk despite the fact that there are NO official signs that one is on the way!
No three quarters in a row of losses, no double-digit unemployment, no high inflation, no lines for commodities, etc.

The sub prime mess was caused by banking regulations being written in such a way as to allow cheep loans to be offered. TThat's why you won't see any prosecutions.
Recession talk is part of the left wing conspiracy to win big in Nov..
I still claim the market will soar if the tax cuts are either extended, or, made permanent.

From The Man Who Would be Kingmaker, Part I, 28 October 2004:

“Next to my fantasies about being God, I also have very strong fantasies of being mad,” Soros once confided on British television. “In fact, my grandfather was actually paranoid. I have a lot of madness in my family. So far I have escaped it.”

How comforting.

From Bern, bright little George, again with the help of his father, managed to reach London and to enter the London School of Economics. He slipped out of a Russian-occupied section of Austria and headed for London

It’s a harrowing tale, filled with many close calls. Which is all the more reason why reading Soros’ latest book, The Bubble of American Supremacy: Correcting the Misuse of American Power, is so disconcerting. Soros has adopted strange and hyperbolic language in describing today’s America as a fascist Fourth Reich with September 11 serving as our Reichstag fire. “How could a single event, even if it involved three thousand civilian casualties, have such a far-reaching effect?” he writes. We are now, Soros writes, a nation of “victims turning perpetrators,” likening our reaction to the terrorist attacks to the crimes committed by the Germans because of their nation’s mistreatment at Versailles.

Now I can stop wondering how my daughter's HS vice-principal got the idea that the 911 attacks was just "a Reichstag thing."

Lots of interviews and quotes can be found here:
George Soros - wikiquote

re: #142 extrabob

re: #86 Nolocon

"And in the end, only Soros, Kos, Blix and B. Hussein Obama were able to withstand Bush's evil Jedi mind tricks."

You forgot to mention Scott Ritter.

Speaking of Scott Ritter. Here is what he said in 1998:

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

re: #134 lawhawk

Someone above was talking about the McCain-Soros links.

Well, found one, which is based on McCain's anti-1st Amendment campaign finance reform group getting monies from Soros-linked groups.

More here.

Captain Ed also notes some strange links here.

* * *
Thanks for your link, it was McCain's Reform Institute that took Soros $$$! Not the International Republican Institute McCain of which he is President.

Full employment for Bush haters but what's eight years amongst friends! (2000-2008)

"John McCain Gets Soros Cash
Senator John McCain's Reform Institute has suffered some bad press recently due to its involvement in an influence-peddling scandal with Cablevision. As usual, however, mainstream media have failed to go to the root of the matter.

Founded on June 26, 2001, McCain's Reform Institute for Campaign and Election Issues has long served as a nerve center for the so-called "campaign finance reform" movement – a movement which has done nothing to clean up campaign finance, but has done a great deal to empower federal judges and government bureaucrats to regulate political speech, in defiance of the Bill of Rights.

re: #141 loppyd

Lovey ... I hurt my arm and then I had to eat those awful Frankfurters..

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,”

...liars lie, welcome to the lie...

re: #147 Endangered in MASS

re: #141 loppyd

Lovey ... I hurt my arm and then I had to eat those awful Frankfurters..

Lovey...I didn't want to scare that poor Marine.

re: #142 extrabob

Scott Ritter? I had (mercifully) forgotten all about him. Now there was somebody who couldn't find his ass with both hands and a spy satellite...

/His OWN ass anyway...

Comments on the Seattle PI

...Bush and his pack of thieves and murderers is the Hitler of today. Bush and company have ruined this country and it will take many generations to repair the damage. Impeachment would be appropriate.

Then...

Let's face the truth and reality here folks, the whole US two-guns-shootin' response post 9/11 was done all wrong to begin with. Under some genuine leadership a tremendous opportunity was available for America to truely examine and begin reinventing itself. What a shame that was lost and about what we have come out looking and smelling like instead. Aside from the war, what other business and personal matters have these poor excuses for leadership messed up? As an American I am deeply embarassed! Who is going to save us?

RON PAUL!

Big Lizards, Dafydd, has a good take-down of this hit-piece and very suitably titled: How to Lie About Lying

re: #149 loppyd

Might his favorite current Sox player be Manny Ortez and his all time favorite Red Sox player be Eddie( coached 3rd but never played for Sox)
Yost ?

re: #84 duckydan

The bottom line problem is dumb people's vote counts just like someone who is actually aware, and dems/libs know that. This could make nice sound bites for the consumption of people who forgot to change their TV channel and have the news on in the background.

Facts simply get in the way of the AP. I can't quite understand what is going on in the brain of the reporters and editors who read these kind of things before they are broadcast across the world, and put their stamp of approval on it.

One nut in the chain is one thing, but this involves several people in positions of responsibility. They all had to give this the "OK" to send it as if it was fact to the world.

They are steeped in the Church of Leftism, in which the ends (destruction of their ideological enemies) justify the means (lies, lies, lies, slander, libel, lies).

I apologize If this is a repeat...but it's been updated and is a good read.

John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican

Update: What Arizona Republicans think of John McCain: “Arizona Senator John McCain may be doing well in national polls but the folks back home that know him best don’t seem to agree. According to a straw poll taken on Saturday, January 19 of 721 Republican Precinct Committeemen from Maricopa County, Arizona, McCain’s home county, at their annual county meeting, 59.2% found him unacceptable for the GOP presidential nomination and only 11% find him acceptable.”

One of the more ridiculously phallic looking things I've seen in a while.

re: #154 Endangered in MASS

re: #149 loppyd

Might
his favorite current Sox player be Manny Ortez and his all time
favorite Red Sox player be Eddie( coached 3rd but never played for Sox)
Yost ?

DING DING DING DING DING!

re: #141 loppyd

sKerry?

re: #143 littleO

Recession talk is part of the left wing conspiracy to win big in Nov..
I still claim the market will soar if the tax cuts are either extended, or, made permanent.
I would agree with you, but that's why a democrat-controlled congress will never allow it. instead, we get this rebate, which has never worked in the past,and the financial markets responded as one would expect to such a collassal waste of public funds

Sorry-ass Soros
Even with all that money
You can't buy a clue?

re: #157 Peacekeeper

PK - one of the things I love about you is that you read popular science.

re: #117 mean Gene

No three quarters in a row of losses, no double-digit unemployment, no high inflation, no lines for commodities, etc.

Grocery shop much?

Signs have been around for several months if you're looking - and you can't look just in the U.S.

I track ag commodities - they're getting very expensive globally. Jan 15 saw 10,000 people in the streets in Jakarta over soybean prices. Altho' I think there was some manipulation going on with that, the fact remains there is something going on.

Also, the steady drop of the dollar does not bode well...

re: #158 loppyd

This is fun let's do more!

Oh boy this is going to be great!

re: #159 tfc3rid

re: #141 loppyd

sKerry?

YES! GOLD STAR FOR YOUR FOREHEAD!

re: #163 wahabicorridor

Ag prices are also rising due to the inane use of food as fuel.

OT:
[HSToday.US/ The Kimery Report] ARIZONA - Thefts of Official Credentials, Uniforms Could Facilitate Super Bowl Attack

"Security for Super Bowl XLII, to be played at the University of Phoenix Stadium Feb. 3, is being described as “unprecedented,” and will include both covert and overt measures like ATF bomb-sniffing dogs trained to ferret out liquid explosives. But the federal government’s terrorism threat assessment of the upcoming game between the New England Patriots and New York Giants outlines concerns about stolen official law enforcement credentials, uniforms, weapons, and other equipment that could be used to “infiltrate” the stadium complex to carry out an attack"

[Link: www.hstoday.us...]

re: #164 Endangered in MASS

re: #158 loppyd

This is fun let's do more!

Oh boy this is going to be great!

Ask and you shall receive: These are both from the same person.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

re: #113 nolocon

I once asked a Moonbat to name a single American citizen who was yanked from his home and sent to Gitmo without a trial, habeas corpus, etc., as Moonbats have been claiming for the past 5 years.

He said he couldn't name anyone, which he said was proof that the Government was keeping it all a secret.

I couldn't even respond.

Ask him how he'd defend himself if somebody claimed he was embezzling funds from the company and cleverly covering it up. And that the complete lack of evidence is just proof that he's keeping it a secret.

Waste of time, but possibly amusing.

So when does misinformation and data fabrication constitute Slander? This seems pretty close to the mark to me...

re: #168 loppyd

His High Holiness and the All Seeing Goreacle?

re: #172 Endangered in MASS

re: #168 loppyd

His High Holiness and the All Seeing Goreacle?

Nope. Guess again.

re: #156 loppyd

I apologize If this is a repeat...but it's been updated and is a good read.

John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican

Update: What Arizona Republicans think of John McCain: “Arizona Senator John McCain may be doing well in national polls but the folks back home that know him best don’t seem to agree. According to a straw poll taken on Saturday, January 19 of 721 Republican Precinct Committeemen from Maricopa County, Arizona, McCain’s home county, at their annual county meeting, 59.2% found him unacceptable for the GOP presidential nomination and only 11% find him acceptable.”

* * *

When good voters stay home, this is what happens! Shame on those 59.2% who didn't rally behind someone else...McCain could stay home making Anheuser-Busch commercials for the Superbowl on behalf of his wife's Anheuser Busch distributorships. Expect McCain to be in Arizona for the Superbowl, mugging for the cameras.

"Lying liars lie!"
George's paid-off pundits cry.
A fact is a fact.

re: #174 loppyd

Mr. Hitlery?

Senator Fatboy?

re: #168 loppyd

re: #164 Endangered in MASS

re: #158 loppyd

This is fun let's do more!

Oh boy this is going to be great!

Ask and you shall receive: These are both from the same person.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

Ted (Does a mean backstroke) Kennedy

re: #166 lawhawk

re: #163 wahabicorridor

Ag prices are also rising due to the inane use of food as fuel.

That is the main reason food prices are going up! when dairy farmers are competing with ethanol producers to buy feed corn, you wind up with $4 butter and $5 a gallon milk! Unfortunately that bit of idiocy isn't the Dem's fault- GB is a big ethanol fan!

re: #174 loppyd

( Judge Eliju Schmales voice)

Well...we're waiting!

I just had a very left co-worker (oddly enough we get along pretty well) just admit she is really thinking about voting for McCain if he gets the nod.

She was serious.

re: #179 Endangered in MASS

re: #180 xtraBilly

EXCELLENT!

I'm going to call that a tie.

re: #174 loppyd

Who is Bill Clinton..

re: #173 taxfreekiller

tfk has been giving poor Michael Medved a hard time for his msm loonmanship this day, it caused this little ditty.

Just give credit where credit is due.

John McCain has been a very good assistant Democrat, in fact John McCain very well may be the very best assistant Democrat ever.
So the right thing to do is to have a dinner to honor that, and invite,
the Clinton's, the Kerry's and his other Deocrat family buds, the

* * *
Hi Taxfree, I loved what you said on another thread about superficial folks having a problem with Mitt Romney's being clean cut & able to look directly into a camera and speak intelligently in full sentences--as if that's a bad thing, along with working hard, raising a family, etc.

re: #181 nyexpat

Unfortunately that bit of idiocy isn't the Dem's fault- GB is a big ethanol fan!

GB is a fan of switchgrass (cellulose) based ethanol. Three times the yield of corn.

The editor responsible for publishing the Soros' hit piece is Mr. Jim Drinkard at the Washington DC bureau of the AP.

If he name be circulated widely perhaps public humiliation will get him to correct his ways.

{Lopps}

re: #185 loppyd

That's really unique the Kennedy's are loathe to critisize Anti American despots.

re: #108 alegrias

Of course the WA legislature can't do anything about the Alaskan Way viaduct because they are too busy trying to impeach the Pres & VP!

These people should have their salary docked because they are certainly not doing work for the people of Washington state.

If Soros is backing B.H.O. maybe he WANTS us all to remember that everyone fell for GWB's so-called lies---everyone except the Messiahobamamamma

re: #146 alegrias

These illuminations into the world of John Mccain are disconserting. Protractive thinking will lead one to believe that with this evidence exposed after his(mccain) nomination will assure a Dimocratic win in November.

re: #173 taxfreekiller

tfk has been giving poor Michael Medved a hard time for his msm loonmanship this day, it caused this little ditty.

Just give credit where credit is due.

John McCain has been a very good assistant Democrat, in fact John McCain very well may be the very best assistant Democrat ever.
So the right thing to do is to have a dinner to honor that, and invite,
the Clinton's, the Kerry's and his other Deocrat family buds, the

* * *
McCain's best man at his wedding, former democrat presidential candidate GARY HART, ("Monkey Business" with Donna Rice, not his wife) is still in Washington, DC. Wonder if he'll show and put in a plug for his best man, McCain.

re: #130 Alouette

You know, I could forgive Soros his actions during the Nazi regime - he was, after all, still a kid - but if he really doesn't feel any guilt over it, then that merely shows that he has no empathy.

That's a trait shared by psychopaths.

I don't think I like this.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

OK, from Phallic to Boobonic

re: #198 formercorpsman

Ugh... I'm sure we will accept it...

OK, one more then it's back to the grind for me.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."

I checked out the groups website http://www.tfij.org/.

Under "Donors" it says:
It is the general policy of the Fund promptly to disclose on its website the name of each grantor of the Fund and, if such grantor’s gift exceeds $250, the amount of such gift.

There is a list of noted intellectual donors, such as Barbra Streisand, but
yet they don't list the amounts. Soros is not on the list.

So what hidden nook or cranny on this website contains the amounts?

re: #181 nyexpat

re: #166 lawhawk

re: #163 wahabicorridor

Ag prices are also rising due to the inane use of food as fuel.

That is the main reason food prices are going up! when dairy farmers are competing with ethanol producers to buy feed corn, you wind up with $4 butter and $5 a gallon milk! Unfortunately that bit of idiocy isn't the Dem's fault- GB is a big ethanol fan!

* * *
Which do you prefer? President Bush was bashed for being an oil man tied to oil.
Last week President Bush was criticized for pushing oil-ticks to produce!

And don't even start with the dem argument that oil was in the $20 per barrel when President Bush invaded Iraq, and look where it is now!

re: #143 littleO

re: #117 mean Gene

re: #110 littleO

re: #80 mean Gene

Hillary started talking "recession," and Soros was doing something with all his money.
Now the world stock markets plummet and the US's market (you know, where the "recession" supposedly is) doesn't really tank.
I'm as interested in what Soros has been doing financially as I am with this more easily debunked diversion.

Don't yell at me. But, I think this recession talk and stock market dive was started by the movers and shakers to drive down interest rates and force congress on making Bush's tax cuts permanent.
When and if those things happen, the market will soar.

I disagree simply because lenders are skittish now about lending (to some) at any price. So this whole housing bubble/loan bail out thingy will only help real estate investors instead of the little man who loses his personal house (that he shouldn't have been able to qualify for in the first place.)Think back.
Hillary started the "recession" talk despite the fact that there are NO official signs that one is on the way!
No three quarters in a row of losses, no double-digit unemployment, no high inflation, no lines for commodities, etc.

The sub prime mess was caused by banking regulations being written in such a way as to allow cheep loans to be offered. TThat's why you won't see any prosecutions.
Recession talk is part of the left wing conspiracy to win big in Nov..
I still claim the market will soar if the tax cuts are either extended, or, made permanent.

I don't disagree with you on the idea that the real estate market will soar as i personally know a whole bunch of wanna-be slum lords just waiting for their loans on these once owner0occupied homes and condos.
As for the stock market soaring, where else can an aging baby boomer put a little windfall?
Most of them don't have many debts.
Most of them know they haven't prepared well enough for their "golden years."

re: #198 formercorpsman

I don't think I like this.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Yep, I agree. It begins to not make a helluva' lot of sense in the FIRST sentence: "...the nuclear stand-off with Iran could be resolved diplomatically but that Tehran must not be allowed to become a nuclear weapons power." Especially if you understand that Iran REALLY REALLY wants to be a nuke power...if it isn't already.

re: #184 formercorpsman

I just had a very left co-worker (oddly enough we get along pretty well) just admit she is really thinking about voting for McCain if he gets the nod.

She was serious.

* * *
It's called the McCain swoon effect. Media people admitted they were "falling for McCain" in 2000--of course they hated "W".

I am guilty of having fallen for the McCain family charisma, a decades' worth, but I'm in recovery from that sick relationship. It's all about a royal destiny to lead (rudely "usurped" by George Bush in 2000) so they cultivate celebrity with their easy charm, yet in their hearts there also beats patriotism.

re: #201 loppyd

The Goreacle

re: #201 loppyd

OK, one more then it's back to the grind for me.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."

John (I brush my hair 200 times at night) Edward

re: #210 xtraBilly

Yes - it was none other than the Silky Pony.

Bush lied and thousands died.

Don't even start me on the economy!
Pure Goldilocks, n'est pas?

Sheesh, everything Bush touches turns to CACA!

re: #197 lurking faith

re: #130 Alouette

You know, I could forgive Soros his actions during the Nazi regime - he was, after all, still a kid - but if he really doesn't feel any guilt over it, then that merely shows that he has no empathy.

That's a trait shared by psychopaths.

People who are true believers in " ism's " are usually authoritarian in nature. Double that feeling if they are filthy rich.

re: #211 loppyd

Ooh I forgot about that smarmy panty waiste. Not surprised.. another of the phonies who will say whatever it takes.

re: #213 Rodan

re: #208 alegrias

Here's Mitt's job creating record with Bain Capital!

[Link: www.politico.com...]

* * *
Querido Rodan,
Quizas no sabes que un componente importante del capitalismo es "creative destruction." Romney knows something about getting results and value for his investment.

Republicans generally favor "trimming" government and yes, that means many make-work jobs that don't deliver anything to taxpayers who fund those jobs.

re: #166 lawhawk

re: #181 nyexpat

re: #166 lawhawk

re: #163 wahabicorridor

Ag prices are also rising due to the inane use of food as fuel.

That is the main reason food prices are going up! when dairy farmers are competing with ethanol producers to buy feed corn, you wind up with $4 butter and $5 a gallon milk! Unfortunately that bit of idiocy isn't the Dem's fault- GB is a big ethanol fan!

Tell me about it. USDA's global projections came out Jan 11. The numbers are stunning.

Altho feed IS the highest cost to dairy producers (energy is actually #3), the price rises you are seeing are not going to the dairy farmers - most of it is going directly to the processors, e.g. Kraft.

But biofuels are not the only issue - higher standards of living in India, China, etc., are changing their food demands.

And the EU's boondoggle the Common Agriculture Policy is appalling.

re: #189 Rodan

re: #109 AuldTrafford

Here you go!

[Link: www.matriots.com...]

[Link: americanfuture.net...]

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Thanks.

Matriots notes that this is controversial, and does not cite any support for its conclusion. Can't really tell who is behind this site.

The American Futures site quotes an interview with Soros in which he says (i) he is a holocaust survivor, and (ii) participated as a child in Jewish property confiscation - upon orders. Does not say he was a knowing "collaborator".

The Schlussel quotes (and characterizes) a 60 Minutes Interview, basically saying the same thing, which I doubt contains any admissions he (Soros) was a Nazi collaborator.

These are pretty serious charges, and I'm not sure they are well-documented. It is this kind of claim that LGF enemies will cite for the proposition that LGF is a Jew-hating propoganda machine (Soros is a Jew). I hope you are careful about this kind of statement; especially, as Soros is disgusting enough without distorting his background.

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations- entangling alliances with none."

Thomas Jefferson

Howzabout, we get a real conservative for President and not that Saudi-ass-kissing, gold-digging, heal-the-world, spread democracy to the mohammedans, utterly self-serving, unstudied and unlearnable fool named George ibn Bush.

He's made a fine mess of everything. Amazingly, he finds some supporters at this site.

AMAZING!

re: #217 wahabicorridor

re: #166 lawhawk

re: #181 nyexpat

re: #166 lawhawk

re: #163 wahabicorridor
Ag prices are also rising due to the inane use of food as fuel.

That is the main reason food prices are going up! when dairy farmers are competing with ethanol producers to buy feed corn, you wind up with $4 butter and $5 a gallon milk! Unfortunately that bit of idiocy isn't the Dem's fault- GB is a big ethanol fan!

Tell me about it. USDA's global projections came out Jan 11. The numbers are stunning.

Altho feed IS the highest cost to dairy producers (energy is actually #3), the price rises you are seeing are not going to the dairy farmers - most of it is going directly to the processors, e.g. Kraft.

But biofuels are not the only issue - higher standards of living in India, China, etc., are changing their food demands.

And the EU's boondoggle the Common Agriculture Policy is appalling.

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When corn prices go up, poor Mexicans cannot afford masa harina for tortillas, which is the staple in poor people's diets. Another reason to run to El Norte, past John McCain's front door in Arizona!

re: #21 realwest

What utter, complete garbage. Intelligence agencies from at least 7 different nations (including Germany and France) all said the same thing: Saddam has WMD's. All 7 of them including those who chose to let him continue to amass more WMD's, in spite of his proven willingness to use them (when he gassed masses of Kurds).
IF these are indeed "non-profit" agencies, I'd like to have the IRS look into their status as such.

SADDAM SAID HE HAD WMD's

Commie lefties at CNN disprove Soros-funded study:

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who openly supports Iraq against the Western powers.

That was two and a half years before 9/11.

George "Fuck the USA" Soros can stick that in his crack pipe and gag on it.

I've posted this elsewhere, but I'm posting it again here:

Yes. The Bush administration apparently made “False Statements” in that they made statements that were factually incorrect. But that’s been known for years now. I believe that it’s been admited to by the White House.
The President and his people made statements about Iraq that they (and the rest of the world) believed at the time were true. The fact that they were not true was only discovered later.

That doesn’t mean that Bush lied. I don’t know that the study ever says that he lied. It plays this childish word game with the phrase “false statements” which can (depending upon context) can mean either that someone lied, or that they made statements based on erroneous beliefs.

The study doesn’t even say what the MSM wants us to believe that is says, but it uses the right phraseology to allow the MSM & other leftist groups to run with it and call Bush a liar. And that was the point of the study.

re: #218 Rodan

re: #216 alegrias
What about Bain Capital's ties with our enemy China?

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I am not happy about our lax export controls with respect to China. You may or may not know many Republicans were pro-commerce with China, as are all the high tech companies who manufacture semiconductor chips and tech/computer equipment there.

(Have you checked where your favorite tech items were made?) Quien es mas hipocrita?

re: #227 29Victor

Yes. The word "false" is a dangerous word - significantly different connotations.

re: #213 Rodan

re: #208 alegrias

Here's Mitt's job creating record with Bain Capital!

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Rodan, our company was purchased by Bain and so far we have not had any real negative impact. We are profitable and have been adding jobs at a good pace. I cannot fault them at all and in fact, I am glad somebody with experience and brains were the ones to buy us. If some half baked bunch like KKR or such an outfit had we would not be enjoying the prosperity we are now.

I am not tooting the Romney horn, just telling the truth - not like the Politico hack bimbo did. They take anecdotal evidence to bolster their viewpoint and then cherry pick it. I could do the same to make hil look like a fashion model with a body like Gisele Bundschen (sp) you know Tom Brady's um, uh girlfriend?

re: #220 ynkedoodl2

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations- entangling alliances with none."

Thomas Jefferson

Howzabout, we get a real conservative for President and not that Saudi-ass-kissing, gold-digging, heal-the-world, spread democracy to the mohammedans, utterly self-serving, unstudied and unlearnable fool named George ibn Bush.

He's made a fine mess of everything. Amazingly, he finds some supporters at this site.

AMAZING!

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Fragging the Commander in Chief in time of war, that's class. It's Soros who's the gold-digging corrupt propagandist under discussion.
Gaze.

"Fragging the Commander in Chief in time of war, that's class. It's Soros who's the gold-digging corrupt propagandist under discussion. "

The war would be real and bloody and terrible if I were an Iraqi. As an American, I don't notice any war. Don't see anything. I do, however, see many more Mohammedans coming into my city because George Bush told us another lie: Islam is Peace.

That's a quote from Bush: "Islam is Peace."

Now, you wanna tell me that man doesn't lie like a rug.

POP QUIZ

Who made the following comment regarding Hurricane Katrina:

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

Answer:
–President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina (Source)

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Should I go on with the lies? Hell, if his lips are moving...

Have we forgotten this? Chemical Weapon Terror Attack on Amman Jordan Averted:

An official involved in the inquiry in Jordan told AFP news agency: "We found primary materials to make a chemical bomb which, if it had exploded, would have made nearly 20,000 deaths ... in an area of one square kilometre.

"The target of this bomb was the headquarters of the Intelligence Services," situated on a hill in the western suburb of Amman, he added.

The official said another operation planned by the network was to use "deadly gas against the US embassy and the prime minister's office in Amman ... and other public buildings in Jordan".

After a brief flurry of interest and concern, a lot of this dropped into the memory hole. No one (in the MSM or on the left) seemed interested in the 20 tons of chemicals and explosives seized in trucks entering Jordan from Syria. The estimated toll of this attack was estimated to be in the 20K range if detonated on their targets in Amman.

Did AQ just manufacture these weapons in Syria? Or, with the compliance of the Syrian Government, were they given access to Syrian or Iraqi stocks of chemical weaponry?

Try as they might, the left cannot distance themselves from the threats or the reality of the situations. Their words of 1998-2002 don't disappear in memory holes...just as their willingness to surrender 2004-2008 will also not disappear in a memory hole. What will disappear is any grasp of credibility.

God. Enough already. How long has it been? Four years of moonbats foaming at the mouth that GW is guilty of everything from genocide to stealing his neighbors newspaper.

Enough talk! IMPEACH HIM. I've been waiting forever! You guys apparently have all the goods on him.

Shit, we nailed Bubba for having sex in the Oval and then lying about it. Surely you can top that!?

Either do something or have a nice hot cup of STFU.

How can you guys manage a country if you can't even pull off what appears to be a "slam dunk?"

re: #235 Athos

Please, no logic now. Yankeedoodoo's head is going to explode. The popcorn's almost done...

re: #232 alegrias

Fragging the Commander in Chief in time of war, that's class. It's Soros who's the gold-digging corrupt propagandist under discussion.
Gaze.

GAZE is the right answer, alegrias. It's a full-on case of BDS here.

When I think of all the billions of dollars the USA has wasted invading Iraq in 2003 just so Dubya could get re-elected in 2004 (and the billions wasted on Afghanistan to turn savage muhammadans into peace-loving, liberty-loving, tolerant, pluralistic denizens of a modern society) and then watch that same self-serving ass clown Bush talk about fiscal responsibility, it makes me want to throw up.

I'd say everything in post #197 to W's face. It's dumb, simian face and I have trouble looking at it without feeling sick to my stomach, but for the pleasure of telling him what a disgrace he is to the Republican party (and the country)...yeah, I'd go to his ranch and tell him to his face.

re: #182 taxfreekiller

Ethanol ='s big re-election money

Some of those clever 'green-collar' jobs are available.

re: #238 wrenchwench

re: #238 wrenchwench

It's amazing that maroon hasn't fried his keyboard with the spittle flying from his mouth as he says out loud what he is typing...

What a classic clinical example of BDS...

re: #234 ynkedoodl2

Yeah, go on with the lies, by all means shithead.

re: #238 wrenchwench

re: #232 alegrias

Fragging the Commander in Chief in time of war, that's class. It's Soros who's the gold-digging corrupt propagandist under discussion.
Gaze.

GAZE is the right answer, alegrias. It's a full-on case of BDS here.

When I think of all the billions of dollars the USA has wasted invading Iraq in 2003 just so Dubya could get re-elected in 2004 (and the billions wasted on Afghanistan to turn savage muhammadans into peace-loving, liberty-loving, tolerant, pluralistic denizens of a modern society) and then watch that same self-serving ass clown Bush talk about fiscal responsibility, it makes me want to throw up.

I'd say everything in post #197 to W's face. It's dumb, simian face and I have trouble looking at it without feeling sick to my stomach, but for the pleasure of telling him what a disgrace he is to the Republican party (and the country)...yeah, I'd go to his ranch and tell him to his face.

My goodness wrench who pissed in your Cheerios? I will be the first to admit the man has flaws and I am disappointed in several choices or stands however, given the fact that people like you have not come up with any kind of good, viable alternative and you only bitch and complain and then when things don't go right you bitch and complain some more.

You ought to feel sick to your stomach - it is full of bile and needs to be purged. Perhaps some ipecac would do the trick or you could try your finger down the throat - yeah that is a good idea - use the middle one too - it sends the correct message.

/no sarc - I really mean it.

re: #242 bolivar

Probably doesn't vote to "make a point" or "show them".

re: #202 funkyfantom

I checked out the groups website http://www.tfij.org/.

Under "Donors" it says:
It is the general policy of the Fund promptly to disclose on its website the name of each grantor of the Fund and, if such grantor’s gift exceeds $250, the amount of such gift.

There is a list of noted intellectual donors, such as Barbra Streisand, but
yet they don't list the amounts. Soros is not on the list.

So what hidden nook or cranny on this website contains the amounts?

The organization's IRS Form 990 should contain a list of all the significant donors. Unfortunately, many non-profits make you appear in person to examine the 990, at a location of their choosing (which might or might not be their headquarters), and can prevent you from doing anything more than taking handwritten notes (i.e., no photography or photocopying). Plus you have the problem of contributions being run through multiple levels of non-profits or through shell companies, so it is fairly easy to disguise the original source of the money, if you want to do so. IIRC, Ralph Nader does this sort of multi-layered, multi-organization shell game to conceal where his money really comes from. AFAIK, no one has ever invested the time and resources to unravel the money trail, and the IRS won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Probably the same thing with Soros.

re: #234 ynkedoodl2

POP QUIZ
Who made the following comment regarding Hurricane Katrina:
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
Answer:
–President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina (Source)
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Should I go on with the lies? Hell, if his lips are moving...

Better put Nagin and Blanco in line first to prison for gross negligence for failing to do their front-line duty that was required of their offices so that there would be no need to call in federal assistance. The October 2004 National Geographic article on a CAT 5 hurricane direct hit predicted PRECISELY that scenario, levee failure AFTER the hurricane would pass. This article also predicted 200,000 people would need transport to evacuate the city - a responsibility of the MAYOR to commandeer city government vehicles ie BUSSES to provide this transport PRIOR to the arrival of the hurricane.
The National Geographic article used information straight out of the Emergency Preparedness Plans formulated SPECIFICALLY for New Orleans.
Nagin did SQUAT. He had the WHOLE BOOK more than a year in advance to tell him what to do and how to do it. He had a week to get people out. He had the transport, but it sat idle. You excuse him and Blanco who FAILED their roles and Constitutionally BLOCKED the President from pre-positioning in Federal resources, but you viciously accuse Bush instead to transfer the blame.
WHen Bush told Nagin on Friday to get people out of the city before the storm hit on Monday, becuase the President perceived from Washington, DC that New Orleans was NOT REACTING to the WARNINGS what did Nagin do? There really aren't many people who are so ego-soaked as to brush off the President of the United States when he makes a personal effort to brief them, but Nagin is one of them

You are disgusting. Nagin and Blanco by doing nothing, after years of mismanagement, have the deaths of hundreds and hundreds of people on their heads. It is THEIR guilt, THEIR failure, for they cared more for themselves than for the human beings they'd pretended to swear their elected duty for. How much did that Emgergency Preparedness Plan cost the taxpayer? Maybe even a cool million to get it right, for it IS comprehensive. Bet it seemed like a good time at the time, forecast the worst case and provide step-by-step guidance to the Mayor and Governor, whoever they would be at the time, as to what to do, in order to save lives.

Outstanding forecast, described it PERFECTLY. Just a cosmic shame Nagin couldn't have bothered to read it, or even crib from it that weekend. Bet it even advised emergency drills for practice that Nagin never bothered to run, just in case.

re: #206 taxfreekiller

that is how they control "We the People" via the dam courts, not votes

I believe Woodrow Wilson said something like "the Supreme Court is like a Constitutional Assembly in continuous session."

re: #246 konservo

re: #206 taxfreekillerthat is how they control "We the People" via the dam courts, not votes

I believe Woodrow Wilson said something like "the Supreme Court is like a Constitutional Assembly in continuous session."

THAT is an interesting take on 'separation of powers'. But them, Wilson was the first really prominent progressive pinhead...

Back to the AP article for a moment:

“The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.”

Of course, if statements prior to September 11, 2001 are included, say , from 1998, or even a few years earlier, the results of the study could change. This might be politically unacceptable

“"The cumulative effect of these false statements — amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts — was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded. ”

But interestingly, if statements by various Senators, an Ambassador and even a President from the 90’s are included, one should notice that:
1) the claim of the existence of Saddam’s WMD was repeatedly made
2) apparently, no one bothered to question or dispute these claims.

“"Some journalists — indeed, even some entire news organizations — have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said. ”

But where were these un-deferential and critical journalists between 1992 and 2001 ?

Did these un-deferential and critical journalists ever report a statement, claim or story denying Saddam’s WMDs between 1992 and 2001?

When did these un-deferential and critical journalists first report a statement, claim or story denying Saddam’s WMDs between 1992 and 2001?

re: #243 Endangered in MASS

Endangered, you are in Mass - I am working in Mass. and live in RI. The problem is around here that even though I vote every damn time it comes up for naught. They keep electing the same morons that have been bankrupting the state over and over. The best thing RI could do is toss the entire Smith Hill gang. Our Governor Don Carcieri had to propose massive cuts in welfare and other "entitlements" to keep the state solvent. Bet the dhimmies shoot it down.

re: #163 wahabicorridor

re: #117 mean Gene

No three quarters in a row of losses, no double-digit unemployment, no high inflation, no lines for commodities, etc.

Grocery shop much?

Signs have been around for several months if you're looking - and you can't look just in the U.S.

I track ag commodities - they're getting very expensive globally. Jan 15 saw 10,000 people in the streets in Jakarta over soybean prices. Altho' I think there was some manipulation going on with that, the fact remains there is something going on.

Also, the steady drop of the dollar does not bode well...

Agriculture prices might have something to do with ethanol mandates...

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,”

Beyond dispute my ass.

re: #249 bolivar

Where have you gone Buddy Cianci

The Hackdom turns it's lonely eye's to you...

woo woo woo

What's that you say Ma Cianci .

Buddy just get out of the bighouse...

heh.

re: #250 nikis-knight

ding me down for not reading further, beat to it several times... lol

re: #251 sparrowlake

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,”

Beyond dispute my ass.

What about the Iraqi General that swore the weapons of mass destruction that nobody can find were ferreted out by truck to Syria before the war even began? Nobody says anything about this nor do they really try to disprove it because it does not suit their purpose. I am still of the opinion they exist and some are buried in the waste of Iraq and even more are in Syria (and God knows where else by now) and that they will bite us in the ass very soon. Frankly I am surprised that the jihadis have not paid more attention to attacking us here. They got clean away with it once and the ONLY G'damned thing that prevented the plan from totally succeeding was some brave souls on Flight 93 - you know the "lets roll" people? I love these people and have prayed for their families because these people are my REAL HEROES.

re: #234 ynkedoodl2

I guess I don't understand your question.

Was he an idiot for making the statement, or was he complicit because of foresight masquerading as misunderstanding?

I actually got called for a phone interview by Charles Lewis - he was doing a story about the 'Total Information Awareness' program run by Admiral Pointdexter and noticed me on a plane wearing my company's business shirt. Unfortunately my company had the slogan before it was used by this program, but Lewis assumed that I was part of this dark, mysterious program. Instead of talking to me face-to-face, he surreptitiously took down my name and address from my luggage and 'checked me out' - kind of funny because he claims to be concerned with privacy.

Anyway, I encourage everyone to read the story - I'm the person he encountered.

A Chance Encounter with a Paranoiac

re: #252 Endangered in MASS

Buddy had some issues but, he knew how to get stuff done. It was under his administration that Providence was transformed from the shithole it was to the thriving shithole it is. Sorry, don't like the city and doubt I ever will.

We live north of there and like our town. Wish we could get some real good conservatives in the Legislature - they are scarce as hens teeth.

Associated Press “journalism” finds another new bottom.

Whose bottom did they find now?

re: #251 sparrowlake

“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,”

Beyond dispute my ass.

Of course, not only is the 'now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess' a complete fallacy since not only evidence was uncovered, including huge amounts of dual-use materials under lock / key in military installations, but this part conveniently ignores the other aspects of 1441 - that there were no programs in existence around the development of WMD. It is beyond dispute that Saddam did have programs in existence for the development of WMD...with full production scheduled for when sanctions were lifted.

The other very interesting weasel word in the sentence you quoted in the 'meaningful' in the 'have meaningful ties to al-Qaida'. So, is this an admission of ties between Iraq and AQ - but not at a level that meets their definition as meaningful or a threat? There is plenty of evidence of significant ties between Iraq and AQ dating back to 1996...but that doesn't fit the bias or the intent to revisit history.

re: #242 bolivar

Hi Bolivar,

The Cheerios in question belong to ynkedoodl2. The linked quotes are ones he or she typed last October. I'm still somewhat of a Bushbot, myself.

Sorry for the confusion.

re: #258 Cap'n DOC

Associated Press “journalism” finds another new bottom.

Whose bottom did they find now?

Their own