Ooooh a new debate scandal!

Next you'll be saying that American Idol is staged.

Just like the phony "Bush had a radio under his jacket" scandal in 2004 vs. Kerry.

Check his hair!

C'mon -- doesn't everyone get a "lifeline" in the prize round?

re: #3 zombie

Just like the phony "Bush had a radio under his jacket" scandal in 2004 vs. Kerry.

That was a grilled cheese sandwich.

They said one word: change

So- he cheated? Like the Patriots?

'I see dead people'

Then again, the "Kerry mystery notes" from the same 2004 debate turned out to be nothing -- he was taking a pen out of his pocket.

Maybe Huck has his own Carl Rove

Isn't that Brian Williams whispering to Tim Russert?

I heard that last night also. I thought it was another candidate talking.

This is why all ventriloquists should be licensed.

re: #4 Peacekeeper

Check his hair!

True -- there might be a faerie living in there.

re: #12 suboptimal

Isn't that Brian Williams whispering to Tim Russert?

This is what I thought happened.

Whiskey tango foxtrot? What was that all about. Definitely a voice talking in the background, but is that something Romney could have have heard. I guess it would depend on microphone placement. Dunno.

Damn, I sure hope I don't find myself forced to vote for someone I wouldn't buy a used car from, just to keep someone else out of the WH.

Is that a crack pipe he's got there?

Just watched the Romney video. What's weird about it is that the mystery voice that says "He raised taxes" said so while the questioner was still finishing the question. Which is even extra-odd -- how did the mystery helper respond pre-instantly like that?

Could it be that this is a DOUBLE scandal: that the Romney team had a copy of the questioner's notes BEFORE the debate? AND then they set up a secret radio transmissionn to help Romney?

re: #12 suboptimal

Isn't that Brian Williams whispering to Tim Russert?

That is what I thought, too. So Tim could have another snarky follow-up.

I'm waiting for Rudy to take a call from his wife during the debate. *cringe*

I can see McCain eating a pork rib dinner at the podium.

"Fug you guys, I know more'n all of you about immigrashum." *munch munch*

re: #16 reine.de.tout

re: #12 suboptimal

Isn't that Brian Williams whispering to Tim Russert?

This is what I thought happened.

That's certainly plausible. Much ado about nothing.

re: #20 zombie

Naah. Crack Pipe.

Who's the fat guy asking the question?

re: #23 lawhawk

re: #16 reine.de.tout

re: #12 suboptimal

Isn't that Brian Williams whispering to Tim Russert?

This is what I thought happened.

That's certainly plausible. Much ado about nothing.

Is it cheating when the "moderator" gets help?

. The prompt is loud and clear. Now who said it? Where was Dan?

re: #17 lawhawk

Whiskey tango foxtrot? What was that all about. Definitely a voice talking in the background, but is that something Romney could have have heard. I guess it would depend on microphone placement. Dunno.

Seems odd that Mitt would be able to recall that in 1983 Reagan raised taxes. The response is so quick- I would have had to think about it for a moment myself, whereas he immediately responds to this whisper. I'd guess he heard it.

Playing into media stereotypes, Republican hopeful Mitt Romney revealed today that he was actually receiving messages from god at the previous evenings' debate...

So how will we know? NBC going to tell us that they weren't talking off mike? Sounds like whispers at the moderator desk if you ask me. Wouldn't you hear this for all the questions?

Doesn't everyone know Reagan raised taxes before he cut them, drastically?

Oh puhleeeze, you cannot possibly think that Mitt Romney needs prompting by anyone. The man has near total recall. It was Russert who blew the question and needed prompting. Dumb ass that he is.

Seems pretty clear it was the moderators chit-chatting. Unless you're going to follow the Lew Rockwell line of thought, in which case, it was the Joos.

Why would NBC want to help Romney? They, like the rest of the Left Wing media are pulling for McCain.

re: #28 Sharmuta

re: #17 lawhawk

Whiskey tango foxtrot? What was that all about. Definitely a voice talking in the background, but is that something Romney could have have heard. I guess it would depend on microphone placement. Dunno.

Seems odd that Mitt would be able to recall that in 1983 Reagan raised taxes. The response is so quick- I would have had to think about it for a moment myself, whereas he immediately responds to this whisper. I'd guess he heard it.

Of course you would. Because it wasn't Rudy.

Because there is no way Mitt could have known this on his own, right?

If Mitt is that cunning he'll get my vote.

re: #32 Nemo Dat

Seems pretty clear it was the moderators chit-chatting. Unless you're going to follow the Lew Rockwell line of thought, in which case, it was the Joos.

Would also explain why MSNBC took the "story" down.

re: #32 Nemo Dat

Seems pretty clear it was the moderators chit-chatting. Unless you're going to follow the Lew Rockwell line of thought, in which case, it was the Joos.

Didn't he blog pimp here until Charles banned him?

re: #28 Sharmuta

re: #17 lawhawk

Whiskey tango foxtrot? What was that all about. Definitely a voice talking in the background, but is that something Romney could have have heard. I guess it would depend on microphone placement. Dunno.

Seems odd that Mitt would be able to recall that in 1983 Reagan raised taxes. The response is so quick- I would have had to think about it for a moment myself, whereas he immediately responds to this whisper. I'd guess he heard it.

That's not so odd. All these pols have a stock of prepared talking points (mostly put together by their staff) they can whip out. It's like being on a job interview. He is listening closely, but it may just be trying to distinguish the question from background noise.

What makes no sense is how the radio transmission sound would have made it from Romney's purported hidden earpiece to the microphone. There's just no way the microphone would have picked it up and yet the other candidates would not have heard it.

More likely (now that I'm grokking the whole set-up there) is that someone else -- not a candidate, but rather either one of the questioners or someone in the control booth -- said "He raised taxes," and their microphone (not Romney's microphone) picked it up. And that it didn't specifically have anything to do with Romney at all.

The video was throbbing . . . who made it?

Gotta go. Last two threads have been a hoot! Play nice lizards.
Heh.

Tim Russert tried to play gotcha with Romney, by asking if he'd do what Reagan did. If Romney simply said yes, Russert could then spring it on him: Reagan raised taxes.

It was a trick question. Possibly the prompter (?) was on alert for those kinds of questions.

re: #39 zombie

"grokking"?

Grokking

Michael Valentine Smith.

re: #39 zombie

I agree.

If this is a scandal, it was purposely done by NBC to hurt Romney.
They are scared shitless that that Romney will win Florida and bump off their fair-haired boy McCain.

Microphone malfunction: "The bombing begins in five minutes."

re: #42 Charles

Tim Russert tried to play gotcha with Romney, by asking if he'd do what Reagan did. The answer was "raise taxes."

It was a trick question. Possibly the prompter (?) was on alert for those kinds of questions.

Hmmm. That makes sense. On the other hand, I can also imagine any knowing persons within pick-up distance of a mic saying it.

re: #28 Sharmuta

re: #17 lawhawk

Whiskey tango foxtrot? What was that all about. Definitely a voice talking in the background, but is that something Romney could have have heard. I guess it would depend on microphone placement. Dunno.

Seems odd that Mitt would be able to recall that in 1983 Reagan raised taxes. The response is so quick- I would have had to think about it for a moment myself, whereas he immediately responds to this whisper. I'd guess he heard it.

Not really, if you're asking about Reagan and taxes (which any moderator is going to do), you'd be prepped to know that he raised and lowered taxes during his term. Most focus on the changes in 1986, but he raised 'em earlier.

The control room at NBC was a little slow sometimes.

I remember as they were going into their commercial break, I heard Russert asking somebody "Have you seen this?"

IS it just me or did that sound suspiciously like Rove?

re: #44 Peacekeeper

Heinlein. Gotcha.

It could have come from the audience, behind the moderators ...

There is a reason NBC took it down, and I doubt it is because they had the goods on Romney. NBC is the biggest anti-R network on the planet.

OT: This is rich.

John F-Ing Kerry blasts Bill Clinton for 'abusing truth'

WASHINGTON (CNN) — John Kerry, the Democratic Party's 2004 nominee for president, took aim at Bill Clinton Friday, telling the National Journal the former president does "not have a license to abuse the truth."

The Massachusetts senator, who endorsed Barack Obama's White House bid earlier this month, said Clinton's criticisms of the Illinois senator have been "over the top," and suggested the former president is getting "frantic."

Targeting Clinton's recent spate of attacks on Obama, Kerry said, "I think you had an abuse of the truth, is what happened. ...I mean, being an ex-president does not give you license to abuse the truth, and I think that over the last days it's been over the top.

Maybe he should have a chat with Jimmah.

Bill Clinton was coaching Hillary from backstage the same way, but all Hillary could hear coming into her earpiece was "aahhh...yah baby...
oooh...lower...lower...here, hold this cigar...oooh"
/

re: #43 Lucius Septimius

re: #39 zombie

"grokking"?

Grokking.

Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science—and it means as little to us (because of our Earthly assumptions) as color means to a blind man.

This was common playground parlance for "understand" when I was growing up. Instead of kids in earlier generations who might have said "I dig you" or whatever, we little'uns would say, "Oh, I grok you." I thought it was commonplace kid-slang! Hmmm, maybe only in my part of the country.

video no longer there. Anyone got another link?

re: #56 zombie

I have always wished Heinlein had not written Stranger in a Strange Land.

re: #50 Dar ul Harb

I wonder if he was referring to the New York Times' endorsements, which he used in a later question to Giuliani.

Did the NYT post them to their website shortly before?

re: #55 Le_Patriot

Bill Clinton was coaching Hillary from backstage the same way, but all Hillary could hear coming into her earpiece was "aahhh...yah baby...
oooh...lower...lower...here, hold this cigar...oooh"
/

DAMNIT! Not at work please. Going to need a new Monitor shortly if this kind of stuff continues.

re: #54 loppyd

isn't it rich?
Aren't they are pair.

Send in the clowns

don't bother they're here.

Why all the drama about a mystery voice. Dennis Kucinuch hears mystery voices all the time and no one gets the least bit excited.
Seriously does any sane person really think for one minute that the Romney campaign would risk something as stupid as this ?
Forget your Romney hatred and try to be rational for at least once.

This isn't a scandal. This isn't even a tempest in a teapot.

re: #49 lawhawk

Fair point. Although technically it's Congress who raises and lowers taxes- the President just signs or vetoes the budget and takes credit.

re: #62 edward cropper

To whose address was that remark?

Somebody in the control booth was cueing Russert on his "gotcha" line if Romney fell for the trick question.

re: #56 zombie
Ha, that's from "Stranger in a Strange Land" that my L3 sister tried to pawn on me. Somehow I must have been born conservative, cause I read the book, handed it back to her, and said "You can have that lifestyle." Which she proceeded to do, the [deleted].

re: #27 Tumulus11

. The prompt is loud and clear. Now who said it? Where was Dan?

He was last seen shaking his fist at Katie.

re: #61 Endangered in MASS

re: #54 loppyd

isn't it rich?
Aren't they are pair.

Send in the clowns

don't bother they're here.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

You know how I feel about clowns.

I heard this too, and I just figured it was Brian Williams leaning over to remind Russert to add the "raise taxes" part — probably the only time anyone ever had to remind Russert to bait the hook on a gotcha question.

From NRO's 'The Corner'.

re: #47 Alouette

Microphone malfunction: "The bombing begins in five minutes."

I miss that guy.

Who flippin cares?

At issue is what, whether or not Romney instantly knew off the top of his head what Reagan did in 1983?

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think Romney can't answer basic questions about taxation? That's his bread and butter.

I think the substance of his answer is far more important than that, or whatever microphone glitch transmitted "He raised taxes" through the mike system.

(By the way, it wasn't necessarily even Romney's mike. . .I'd imagine there were multiple live mikes on during that debate).

The worst part of the evening was Chris Mathews afterward.
Every time he asked a Republican guest anything he would smirk before & during the answer.
I do believe that Mathews has now become just a hack.Too bad I used to like him.

re: #70 Maine's Michael

I heard this too, and I just figured it was Brian Williams leaning over to remind Russert to add the "raise taxes" part — probably the only time anyone ever had to remind Russert to bait the hook on a gotcha question.

From NRO's 'The Corner'.

And Mitt wasn't biting.

Curses foiled again.

re: #56 zombie

Not common in my part of the country. I get the impression it's also a generational thing. But got yer meaning.

Maybe it was the ghost of Brigham Young.

I question the timing.

More importantly is what in the hell is Tim Russert doing asking a “Trick” question? The Republicans need to demand fair moderators at debates. The whole purpose of the debates is to expose the candidates to the public so that we can get a grip on their positions. The purpose is not to trick the candidates into making a mistake. Any moderator that tries to trick candidates should be removed from hosting any debate in the future, both Democrat and Republican debates. I do not mind, in fact I want tough questions asked, but make the questions clear and to the point so that we get straight answers from the candidates. Do not play games, the debates should be about an honest presentation of the candidates and where they stand on issues and policies.

re: #58 Dianna

re: #56 zombie

I have always wished Heinlein had not written Stranger in a Strange Land.

I knew nothing about the book as a kid. (In fact, I've still never read it.) The word had just percolated from the hippies down to the pre-teens.

It was probably just the notorious “Filipino Monkey,” I heard he's a big Reagan buff.

re: #32 Nemo Dat

Lew Rockwell was and is on Ripofferol.

It could have been a secret radio on Romney, but with all the mics they have on for one debate it could have very well come from another source. we shall see.

re: #79 zombie

re: #58 Dianna

re: #56 zombie

I have always wished Heinlein had not written Stranger in a Strange Land.

I knew nothing about the book as a kid. (In fact, I've still never read it.) The word had just percolated from the hippies down to the pre-teens.

I encountered people who'd read it later when I got to know more hippies. Since I grew up near Ray Bradbury's stomping grounds, more references to his stuff was common (we made Dandelion Wine in chemistry class).

The "inadvertantly picked up by an open mic from the moderators" theory strikes me as most plausible, as well as best fitting Occam's Razor.

re: #66 rappmandu

Somebody in the control booth was cueing Russert on his "gotcha" line if Romney fell for the trick question.

Now we're getting somewhere. I tend to agree with this take on it -- it wasn't Romney getting the tipoff, it was Russert (with whom I'm unfamiliar, but I guess we're referring to the tubby questioner).

re: #69 loppyd

And Kerry too. Seems like a perfect fit.

re: #73 opnion

The worst part of the evening was Chris Mathews afterward.
Every time he asked a Republican guest anything he would smirk before & during the answer.
I do believe that Mathews has now become just a hack.Too bad I used to like him.

He always was a hack. IIRC, it was Mathews who wrote the infamous "Malaise Speech".

OT

How long before some enviro wackos use the Vegas hotel fire to try to stop houses and commercial buildings from begin built. All that toxic stuff burning.

re: #46 DesertSage

If this is a scandal, it was purposely done by NBC to hurt Romney.
They are scared shitless that that Romney will win Florida and bump off their fair-haired boy McCain.

This is exactly how I see it. It was a loaded question to begin with. The NYT has also just endorsed McCain, solidifying the theory that the liberal media is trying to force him to the front so they can have an easy win.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

There was no ear piece in Romney's ear, or any of the other candidates for that matter.
If Romney had any kind of hidden listening device on his body...it would have been the stupidest thing that any candidate has ever done. The risk is just too great. The stakes are just too high.

Romney does deserve credit for knowing the answer to the question immediately, and hitting it out of the ballpark.

re: #85 zombie

That's my take as well. Occam's Razor and all that.

Went back, video there, just way, way, way down the page.

Sounded like williams.
Russert wanted a gotcha moment like the one he got the hildabeast on in one of their debates.

re: #68 debutaunt

re: #27 Tumulus11

. The prompt is loud and clear. Now who said it? Where was Dan?

He was last seen shaking his fist at Katie.

At least we hope it was his fist...

(cf. previous Dan Rather thread)

re: #86 Endangered in MASS

re: #69 loppyd

And Kerry too. Seems like a perfect fit.

Kerry would be a sad clown.

re: #91 lawhawk

I have always been curious about how this fellow Occam made out when he's livin' on the edge.

re: #79 zombie

I knew nothing about the book as a kid. (In fact, I've still never read it.) The word had just percolated from the hippies down to the pre-teens.

That book was almost a blueprint for what was to happen in the late 60s, from a moral standpoint. I seem to recall it was a short two or three hour read. Beach reading, at best.

To be honest I am more concerned that The Huckabe doesn't appear to know the difference between Syria and Jordan. Apparently in an interview on MSNBC, he alleged that Saddam's WMDs were surreptitiously moved to Jordan. After Being told you mean Syria, he still insisted he meant Jordan. That is why we should never ever elect an amateur ever gain!

Follow up in the spinoffs:

"We had some audio issues and Gov. Romney's mike wasn't working momentarily. Simple as that," MSNBC VP for Communications Jeremy Gaines said in a one-line e-mail response to questions about overheard whisper.

Russert's gotcha moment on the hildabeast. About 1:48 in the video.

re: #84 RightOnTheLeftCoast

The "inadvertantly picked up by an open mic from the moderators" theory strikes me as most plausible, as well as best fitting Occam's Razor.

Oh, that's right. Apply your phallo-centric hegemonic western Christian elitist (mis)conceptions of "logic". These are just tools of oppression, to hide the troof.

And what's with the razor? See the violence inherent in the system?

re: #78 jdwht

More importantly is what in the hell is Tim Russert doing asking a “Trick” question? The Republicans need to demand fair moderators at debates. The whole purpose of the debates is to expose the candidates to the public so that we can get a grip on their positions. The purpose is not to trick the candidates into making a mistake. Any moderator that tries to trick candidates should be removed from hosting any debate in the future, both Democrat and Republican debates. I do not mind, in fact I want tough questions asked, but make the questions clear and to the point so that we get straight answers from the candidates. Do not play games, the debates should be about an honest presentation of the candidates and where they stand on issues and policies.

___
Not many moderators are "honest", IMHO . . . of all the ones I've seen so far, I thought Chris Wallace (Fox) was the most neutral, and does not ask all softball questions, like Dem moderators do when questioning the Dems.

re: #94 loppyd

Would be? Seems like he is a pretty sorry ass clown already.

re: #85 zombie

Remember the "scandal" at Indianapolis's RCA Dome when the Colts were hosting the Patriots in football? Well, the Krafts, who IIRC own the Patriots (who were caught cheating against the Jets the first game of the season and have had a chip on their shoulder ever since), complained to the league that Indy was piping in artificial crowd noise to help their team.

IIRC, CBS clarified that the noise (heard only on the game broadcast and not in the stadium) was due to feedback originating from their sound trailer.

Nevertheless, the rumor outlives the truth. If it's proven that the sound in the debate was from Brian Williams or the control room, the rumor that it was Romney cheating will persist.

re: #56 zombie

re: #43 Lucius Septimius

re: #39 zombie

"grokking"?

Grokking.

Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science—and it means as little to us (because of our Earthly assumptions) as color means to a blind man.

This was common playground parlance for "understand" when I was growing up. Instead of kids in earlier generations who might have said "I dig you" or whatever, we little'uns would say, "Oh, I grok you." I thought it was commonplace kid-slang! Hmmm, maybe only in my part of the country.

Heinlein is also responsible for the waterbed in some theories, however dilating doorways haven't quite caught on yet.

re: #85 zombie

re: #66 rappmandu

Somebody in the control booth was cueing Russert on his "gotcha" line if Romney fell for the trick question.

Now we're getting somewhere. I tend to agree with this take on it -- it wasn't Romney getting the tipoff, it was Russert (with whom I'm unfamiliar, but I guess we're referring to the tubby questioner).

Yep. And if that is true (which seems quite plausible) what it demonstrates is that Russert is just a talking hairdo (like anyone doubted that). His pretense of intelligence is a carefully scripted prose and works so long as he has his earpiece plugged in.

Sounds like someone is whispering into a microphone, but I'm not sure what makes people conclude it was a "prompter" for Romney. More likely someone trying to raise suspicions about the candidate or start conspiracy theories. Possibly a Paulian at work.

re: #100 Lucius Septimius

re: #84 RightOnTheLeftCoast

The "inadvertantly picked up by an open mic from the moderators" theory strikes me as most plausible, as well as best fitting Occam's Razor.

Oh, that's right. Apply your phallo-centric hegemonic western Christian elitist (mis)conceptions of "logic". These are just tools of oppression, to hide the troof.

And what's with the razor? See the violence inherent in the system?

Please tell me that you really aren't that stupid lucius

Way O.T.
Does anyone want a server?
3 Hard drives and 4 Pentiums
Charles gets first dibs

What I find interesting is that that's the same question Al Franken was alleged to have asked a conservative student at an event in Minnesota this week...I think it's a vast left-wing conspiracy!

re: #107 Desterion

re: #100 Lucius Septimius

re: #84 RightOnTheLeftCoast

The "inadvertantly picked up by an open mic from the moderators" theory strikes me as most plausible, as well as best fitting Occam's Razor.

Oh, that's right. Apply your phallo-centric hegemonic western Christian elitist (mis)conceptions of "logic". These are just tools of oppression, to hide the troof.

And what's with the razor? See the violence inherent in the system?

Please tell me that you really aren't that stupid lucius

Ok, I really aren't that stupid.

'twas merely an exercise in ...

/SARCASM!

Albeit informed sarcasm. I work with people who actually talk that way. And, yes, they are monumentally stupid despite decades of education.

The still small whisperings of the Holy Ghost?

/ducks under desk...Holding up a sign "IT'S A JOKE!"

It would help if we knew the frequency, Kenneth.

re: #108 LeftJustAintRight

Way O.T.
Does anyone want a server?
3 Hard drives and 4 Pentiums
Charles gets first dibs

If Charles says "no", I'm all over it.

I reckon the best thing to do is ask Brian Williams.

re: #112 Pope Insouciance IV

Every couple of seconds.

re: #105 Lucius Septimius

But I thought Russert Has a photographic memory, and he never forgets even one minor fact no matter how ancient the incident? I mean when he testified against a Libby, his words were gospel!

re: #113 Oh no...Sand People!

Cool
I just grabbed it for the memory cards

re: #116 Nevergiveup

You're wrong. He pulled 'em out of his Psaltery.

Look out, here comes the screamn' conspiracy freaks!
I like how..

MSNBC caught it too, and blogged about it (just before they decided to take it down). But the Lew Rockwell blog managed to catch the original post. Here it is:

Read the blog post. The lefty hilliamonger writes.."just one channel of audio saying "not raise taxes" Then Romeny says "I'm not going to raise taxes."

This is utterly false. Listen to the whisper at max volume, or segregate it , (easy enough to do), the whisper says plainly, "raise taxes"

It was meant to be a cue to Russert, because he missed the Gotcha.

single channel audio is always used on set for moderators and talking news heads. It is also used for remote audio on broadcasts for the visiting talking head. Nobody else on the debate floor gets a signal. Romney's only error was answering to soon. He should have paused and asked Russert "did you wish to add something?" That would have exposed TR right away.

I like Mitt he's a good guy and I believe he'll be a fine-great President. He's an over achiever and needs to slack off just a bit.

Shoes for thought, Mittster.

re: #79 zombie

The only books of Heinlein's that I can't recommend are Stranger, Farnham's Freehold, and Sixth Column.

You're not missing much.

Also, ask Romney's people off-the-record if he heard it and knows whom it was.

I'm not surprised that this is coming from Lew Rockwell however, the paleocon conspiracy-theory followers focus on savaging the sane and semi-sane Republicans more than they do the left (can you say Luap Nor?)

3/4 of the bile, piss, and vinegar we've put up with in most conservative forums has its genesis with people like that. The internet has been a real boon for them.

It's also like in Europe, the reason there's no alternative to groups like VB is that they spend more time tearing down the other parties on the right than they do the left sometimes; they tend to destroy the alternatives.

re: #79 zombie
Just a couple more points about that book and its effect on the generation that read it. During the late 60s it was passed around from teen to teen with a "you gotta read this" type of recommendation. The 'free love' types that embraced the book and its message went on to 'explore their sexuality' with a multiplicity of partners. The person that gave the book to me went, in a few years, from a thin, beautiful young woman to a grotesque, enormous figure, constantly suffering from auto-immune disorders the rest of her life. I rejected the message of the book and choose to keep my 'pecker in my pocket' and am as healthy as can be. I think you'd enjoy detecting the subtle brainwashing and subliminal messages of the book if you wanted to waste a couple of hours.

re: #120 Dianna

re: #79 zombie

The only books of Heinlein's that I can't recommend are Stranger, Farnham's Freehold, and Sixth Column.

You're not missing much.

Woah, how could you leave out

"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"

C'mon - it's where I learned how secret cells worked, and it's seminal.

Charles,

Your spinoff link checker isn't accepting this:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I tried posting it under Moonbats.

This week is, like, so totally over.

Have a good weekend, Lizard Nation!

Ear mites

re: #97 Nevergiveup

To be honest I am more concerned that The Huckabe doesn't appear to know the difference between Syria and Jordan. Apparently in an interview on MSNBC, he alleged that Saddam's WMDs were surreptitiously moved to Jordan. After Being told you mean Syria, he still insisted he meant Jordan. That is why we should never ever elect an amateur ever gain!

I caught that, last night.

Chris Matthews graciously ;) followed up to allow Huckleberry to dig the hole deeper, and then later when Huckle's campaign guy was on, indirectly tried to get him to "clarify" or retract the remark. Neither one would admit to the gaffe.

re: #123 EC Marm

During the late 60s it was passed around from teen to teen with a "you gotta read this" type of recommendation.

Same as "Lord of the Rings" (still my favorite book of all time)

re: #120 Dianna

re: #123 EC Marm

re: #124 Thanos

Sorry guys, I just don't have time to read fiction -- science- or otherwise!

I barely have time to even sleep.

As for subtle indoctrination in a work of fiction -- those days are long gone. Now the indoctrination is overt and incessant.

Has anyone seen and heard the NBC source tape?

Anyone minimally competent can capture the video to hard drive. If the have High Def, it be really good quality. Then add a little extra audio to the segment.

I want to see and hear NBC's recording. I'm not trusting a YouTube video.

re: #124 Thanos

Mistress is one of my favorite Heinlein novels; I was mentioning which books I can't recommend.

re: #132 Dianna

re: #124 Thanos

Mistress is one of my favorite Heinlein novels; I was mentioning which books I can't recommend.

Homer Simpson moment "Doh!"

:)

re: #130 zombie

re: #120 Dianna

re: #123 EC Marm

re: #124 Thanos

Sorry guys, I just don't have time to read fiction -- science- or otherwise!

I barely have time to even sleep.

As for subtle indoctrination in a work of fiction -- those days are long gone. Now the indoctrination is overt and incessant.

An LGF addiction is a terrible thing.
/

re: #68 debutaunt

re: #27 Tumulus11

. The prompt is loud and clear. Now who said it? Where was Dan?

He was last seen shaking his fist at Katie.

from what I read on the dan rather thread earlier today he was not "shaking his fist" at katie, or is that what you call it?

Charles, please don't feed the kooks who believe in tripe like that. "Bush was wired! Romney was wired! It's a kunspeeeracee!"

re: #132 Dianna

re: #124 Thanos

Mistress is one of my favorite Heinlein novels; I was mentioning which books I can't recommend.

Somebody previously mentioned Frank Herbert. Now there was a science fiction writer...

re: #123 EC Marm

Heinlein's "dirty old man" stuff never did anything for me.

re: #129 Alouette

"Fear and Loathing"

Bats!
Giant blood soaked talons of freakish bird people.
and a 300 lbs. Samoan Attorney on a Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream.

I still pee my paints in flash backs of laughter.

Shoes, shoes, blood soaked carpets of shoes for Industry!

The UN Security Council has agreed to condemn the rockets attacks on Israel ( like they really mean it ) but will still condemn Israel for closing the borders and isolating all the poor helpless Palestinians. Excuse me but WHAT THE F...---Didn't anyone tell them the entire South end of Gaza is wide open and getting wider. And Condi/Bush is going to let the US vote for this fairy tale.

re: #138 experiencedtraveller

re: #132 Dianna

re: #124 Thanos

Mistress is one of my favorite Heinlein novels; I was mentioning which books I can't recommend.

Somebody previously mentioned Frank Herbert. Now there was a science fiction writer...

I enjoyed Dune; I couldn't get into the later books in the series.

OT-

I find this interesting...

The Detroit Mayor's Cabinet

Does this cabinet lack diversity, or is Detroit 90% Black?

re: #133 Rodan

I holding off on judgement on this. I am not a Mitt Romney fan, but I don't want to condemn before the facts come out.

But you're starting to be. At least I believe you're moving in that direction.

:')

re: #137 Jinx McHue

Charles, please don't feed the kooks who believe in tripe like that. "Bush was wired! Romney was wired! It's a kunspeeeracee!"

I dunno... I kinda sensed some sarcasm in Charles' post.. am i wrong?

re: #138 experiencedtraveller

Indeed, Herbert was a fine writer.

Provided you only read Dune in that series and stop right there! Then, read his other stand-alones, which are really, really good.

The only book of his I flat couldn't bear to read was Helstrom's Hive; the concept revolted me too badly.

It was Dan Rather, telling Romney what the frequency is.

re: #141 Nevergiveup

The UN Security Council has agreed to condemn the rockets attacks on Israel ( like they really mean it ) but will still condemn Israel for closing the borders and isolating all the poor helpless Palestinians. Excuse me but WHAT THE F...---Didn't anyone tell them the entire South end of Gaza is wide open and getting wider. And Condi/Bush is going to let the US vote for this fairy tale.

Pardon me but why are Israelis in the landing zone for Palestinian rockets?
/UN

re: #76 cod_is_great

Maybe it was the ghost of Brigham Young.

Or a secret message from Kolob.

re: #140 Kostya Lotz

re: #129 Alouette

"Fear and Loathing" Hunter S. Thompson (PBUH)

Bats!
Giant blood soaked talons of freakish bird people.
and a 300 lbs. Samoan Attorney on a Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream.

I still pee my paints pants in flash backs of laughter.

Shoes, shoes, blood soaked carpets of shoes for Industry!

Shoes for corrections.

re: #142 Lucius Septimius

re: #138 experiencedtraveller

re: #132 Dianna

re: #124 Thanos

Mistress is one of my favorite Heinlein novels; I was mentioning which books I can't recommend.

Somebody previously mentioned Frank Herbert. Now there was a science fiction writer...

I enjoyed Dune; I couldn't get into the later books in the series.

dunecat

If the debate had been from Stephenville TX, we'd know it was just some Air Force jets ...

re: #147 Ward Cleaver
I just thought it was Mitt thinking out loud!

re: #152 AuldTrafford

If the debate had been from Stephenville TX, we'd know it was just some Air Force jets ...

Or not.

Charles, an UPDATE to the story is warranted. As others have guessed, and as one of the spinoff links verifies:
MSNBC blames Romney whisper on microphone malfunction
[Link: rawstory.com...]

O/T

zombie, you might enjoy this song from ray davies's new solo album

The Voodoo Walk

When the heat stops you sleeping at night
And the dead leaves rustle around
And the calmness keeps you awake
And you pace around the room

That's the zombie in you manifesting itself
And you cry out loud and nobody can help
And it's a one way sign to the gates of hell
And there's no way back
No, there's no way back
Ain't no wonder you can't sleep at night

You just heard the voodoo call
So you pace around, do the zombie crawl
And you shuffle around in the prison cell
Doing the voodoo walk, dancing with yourself
And you just can't blame
The zombie inside of you

Or the voodoo curse hanging over you
Or the zombie walk, like an old soft shoe
Where the voodoo man's talking inside of you
Doing the voodoo walk, voodoo walk
Ain't no evil spirits round here
Or zombie people or demons with pointy ears
Ain't no spooks waiting to appear

Doing the voodoo walk
Talking the voodoo talk
Or the voodoo howl
Doing the voodoo walk, voodoo walk

Voodoo walk, voodoo walk
Doing the voodoo walk, voodoo walk

And the days are like living in hell
You're not well but you just did it to yourself
You know the look
You can tell by that haunted stare
You're never quite here
You're never quite really there
And the cemetery's empty
‘Cos the zombies are everywhere

Doing the voodoo walk
Talking the voodoo talk
Or the voodoo howl
Doing the voodoo walk

re: #154 Ward Cleaver

You know - the ones they first said were not there.

re: #124 Thanos

She said those are the ones that she can't recommend.

I read all the Heinlein I could get my hands on after I read Friday. I really enjoyed his work and I love Stranger. Farnham's, not so much. But spent a lot of time trying to wrap my head around the whole "Universe as Myth" idea started in Number of the Beast.

I can say that it's easy to see the 60s free love coming out of a fanatical obsession with Stranger, but surely, young adults of that era would not be so easily swayed that they would demonstrate a slavish devotion to a relative minor pop-culture phenomenon.

/Says veteran of several Star Trek conventions

re: #142 Lucius Septimius

I enjoyed Dune; I couldn't get into the later books in the series.

I always advise people to read Dune and stop; the rest of the Dune books were awful. I think that Herbert churned those out for money - he had cancer and several children. But his other work, such as The White Plague, was good. Really good.

re: #149 cygnus

re: #76 cod_is_great

Maybe it was the ghost of Brigham Young.

Or a secret message from Kolob.

Or Oliblish... (dun. dun. DUN!...)

re: #104 Thanos

re: #56 zombie

re: #43 Lucius Septimius

re: #39 zombie
"grokking"?

Grokking.

Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science—and it means as little to us (because of our Earthly assumptions) as color means to a blind man.

This was common playground parlance for "understand" when I was growing up. Instead of kids in earlier generations who might have said "I dig you" or whatever, we little'uns would say, "Oh, I grok you." I thought it was commonplace kid-slang! Hmmm, maybe only in my part of the country.

Heinlein is also responsible for the waterbed in some theories, however dilating doorways haven't quite caught on yet.

'Dilating doorways' seems a bit Freudian. Kind of like a train going into a tunnel (insert Dopplered train noise here). I've never read the book, but hear that it's pretty weird.

re: #139 Dianna

re: #123 EC Marm
Heinlein's "dirty old man" stuff never did anything for me.

It didn't do a thing for me either, possibly because fortunately, I went to a pretty decent High School when that book came out and in Biology and "Health" class got a pretty good education and anti-indoctrination.
I'd hate to be the parent of a young girl in this day and age. I have ZERO advice for such a parent.

re: #155 Glynth

Charles, an UPDATE to the story is warranted. As others have guessed, and as one of the spinoff links verifies:
MSNBC blames Romney whisper on microphone malfunction
[Link: rawstory.com...]

That answers my question, MSNBC has the whisper on the tape.

If it was an open mike "somewhere" did Mitt hear it? Or was it someone in a control room or elsewhere.

What did Mitt hear and when did he hear it.
/watergate flash back

re: #136 smcg

from what I read on the dan rather thread earlier today he was not "shaking his fist" at katie, or is that what you call it?

Sorry, I already got to that joke.

Perhaps that whisper was added after the video was made?

If not, Mitt Romney just became a puppet.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #133 Rodan

I holding off on judgement on this. I am not a Mitt Romney fan, but I don't want to condemn before the facts come out.

I feel the same way.

I'm still a Rudy fan, but I'm not going to start coming down on Romney.

re: #158 CyanSnowHawk

Yeah, I got it -- see my reply above. Skimming while on a call again...

re: #155 Glynth

Charles, an UPDATE to the story is warranted. As others have guessed, and as one of the spinoff links verifies:
MSNBC blames Romney whisper on microphone malfunction
[Link: rawstory.com...]

Mystery solved.

I'm surprised that the spinoff link posted by Nemo Dat on this thread hasn't been mentioned yet...
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/MSNBC_blames_Romney_ whisper_on_microphone_0125.html

Basically, MSNBC admits it was something picked up on an open mic, but they haven't figured out who it was yet (yeah, right... just ask everyone on your bloody crew if they said it!)

re: #162 EC Marm

I read it in high school. I can't say it influenced me in any way, mostly because I didn't think it a very good book.

What can I say? I rejected it on literary grounds, not because of the morality - or lack thereof.

re: #143 GregInSeattle

Whattaya talkn' 'bout? The General Consul is white, maybe, sorta, huh, guess it doesn't matter much, she really didn't do such a good job as consoler, huh?

Shoes for recall.

re: #143 GregInSeattle

OT-

I find this interesting...

The Detroit Mayor's Cabinet

Does this cabinet lack diversity, or is Detroit 90% Black?

He's a crook, and so is Philly's mayor, John Street. The Wayne County DA is launching a perjury investigation about Kwame. Apparently there was a secret deal to settle a whistleblower suit against the city.

re: #169 RightOnTheLeftCoast

I'm surprised that the spinoff link posted by Nemo Dat on this thread hasn't been mentioned yet...
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/MSNBC_blam es_Romney_whisper_on_microphone_0125.htm l

Basically, MSNBC admits it was something picked up on an open mic, but they haven't figured out who it was yet (yeah, right... just ask everyone on your bloody crew if they said it!)

Last night when it occured someone mentioned it in the debate threads, they thought it was McCain prompting him.

re: #167 Thanos

Well, I was typing it when the other replies were posted. So there :P

56-zombie- no, I remember using it in college in so calif in about 1970-71. Grok lasted quite a while and when one used it those that had read the book knew.
I thought it was ok, not phony.

Note also that MSNBC's post is back up, with an explanation as to why it was taken down, including this quoted at RawStory:
"We thought it might have simply been our control room cueing a question, which then didn’t seem to warrant a post, since that would be very inside baseball. So, I took it down," NBC's Domenico Montanaro wrote at First Read.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Linky for the Kilpatrick investigation.

like the Three 'Bad" Stooges: Russert, williams and Olberman

I never liked Herbert, I thought the Fremen, Sardaukar etc. were thinly disguised Muslims & the others thinly disguised Catholics, and Herbert liked the Fremen best...

re: #171 Kostya Lotz

re: #143 GregInSeattle

Whattaya talkn' 'bout? The General Consul is white, maybe, sorta, huh, guess it doesn't matter much, she really didn't do such a good job as consoler, huh?

Shoes for recall.

I didn't know this, but Detroit is mainly Black

Why would MSNBC waste time investigating if they have "no way of knowing who did the whispering"?

re: #171 Kostya Lotz

re: #143 GregInSeattle

Whattaya talkn' 'bout? The General Consul is white, maybe, sorta, huh, guess it doesn't matter much, she really didn't do such a good job as consoler, huh?

Shoes for recall.

I don't think she is. Read in her bio:

McPhail has also served in several quasi-judicial capacities including that of hearing officer for the Michigan Civil Rights Commission

[Link: rawstory.com...]

MSNBC says it was a microphone malfunction - not to be confused with a wardrobe malfunction.

re: #164 Dar ul Harb
sorry, I had to actually work for a while.

re: #173 Thanos

Last night when it occured someone mentioned it in the debate threads, they thought it was McCain prompting him.

I thought that's who the voice sounded like, too.

Someone in the Western Standard thread posted this comment that sounds entirely plausible to me:

The whisper was obviously Brian Williams whispering to Tim Russert that he either didn't finish the question right, or how to follow-up, while Tim's mic was still on. Romney heard the whisper (as I suspect everyone else in the hall did - and on TV), and waited until the two of them were finished talking to each other, and then quickly answered the whisper instead of the question as phrased by Tim originally.

This is also evident because Tim so quickly followed up that Regan had raised taxes to save SS, and Romney again reitterated why that was a bad idea.

No one was feeding the candidates... just the MSM moderators that couldn't think to themselves what the best way to spring a 'gotcha' question on a candidate would be. The gotcha king (Russert) flubbed the gotcha question, and Bryan Williams had to coach Tim on it.

I support Rudy Giuliani, but this is just silly.

re: #180 GregInSeattle

re: #171 Kostya Lotz

re: #143 GregInSeattle

Whattaya talkn' 'bout? The General Consul is white, maybe, sorta, huh, guess it doesn't matter much, she really didn't do such a good job as consoler, huh?

Shoes for recall.

I didn't know this, but Detroit is mainly Black

That city is tanking.

re: #170 Dianna

re: #162 EC Marm

I read it in high school. I can't say it influenced me in any way, mostly because I didn't think it a very good book.

What can I say? I rejected it on literary grounds, not because of the morality - or lack thereof.

Prior to reading "Stranger In A Strange Land" I had read Vance Packard's book, "The Hidden Persuaders" about subliminal messages. Perhaps that is why I looked at it differently than most people. After reading "The Hidden Persuaders" I was always a tad paranoid. Still am maybe. Stop looking at me!

re: #169 RightOnTheLeftCoast

It was mentioned. See #98.

re: #183 Kailen

Oh, I don't know - I see a striking resemblance. In both cases, boobs were flashed.

(That is a very weak joke, but I had to try)

McCain's inner voice? ;)

re: #189 Sharmuta

re: #169 RightOnTheLeftCoast

It was mentioned. See #98.

Ah... missed that one when I was scrolling through.
Mea culpa. :o)

re: #188 EC Marm

Consider that I am now studying the ceiling and carpet!

Thanks to James Taranto -

Byu-ku for Kucinich:

Surely he is an
Unidentified object
But he does not fly

re: #191 Dar ul Harb

McCain's inner voice? ;)

Darth Vader.

re: #188 EC Marm

Prior to reading "Stranger In A Strange Land" I had read Vance Packard's book, "The Hidden Persuaders" about subliminal messages. Perhaps that is why I looked at it differently than most people. After reading "The Hidden Persuaders" I was always a tad paranoid. Still am maybe. Stop looking at me!

You must have loved Carpenter's "They Live". Nice over the top play on subliminal persuasion.

"Put on the glasses!"

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #191 Dar ul Harb

McCain's inner voice? ;)

Darth Vader.

Dark Helmet.

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #191 Dar ul Harb

McCain's inner voice? ;)

Darth Vader.

Senator Hillary Palpatine!

If Mitt has a way to get an advantage over that tool Russert, no way am I going to get torqued over that. I am flummoxed as to why only lib. moderators are chosen to preside over Republican debates. How in the heck does that happen, anyway?

re: #198 CyanSnowHawk

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #191 Dar ul Harb

McCain's inner voice? ;)

Darth Vader.

Senator Hillary Palpatine!

Come on, we all know that Darth Cheney is Darth Vader!

re: #196 CyanSnowHawk
No, I never saw it but it sure looks like something I might rent and enjoy. Not many movies I can say that about.

re: #166 konservo

Personally- I can't vote for ron paul or john mccain and huck is an idiot, so I hope we get Rudy and I find Mitt acceptable.

re: #143 GregInSeattle

OT-

I find this interesting...

The Detroit Mayor's Cabinet

Does this cabinet lack diversity, or is Detroit 90% Black?

I don't understand. Where do you see the the non-black cabinet member?

If you're thinking that the pale-skinned Sharon McPhail counts as the one non-black cabinet member, think again -- she identifies as black:

McPhail was named one of Ebony Magazine's 100 Most Influential Black Americans...
...She serves as...Vice President of the Detroit Branch of the NAACP.

In other words, the cabinet is 100% self-identified black. 100% diversity! The mayor is also sleeeping with 25% of the female cabinet members. Diversity and free love -- what more could you ask for?

And yes, Detroit is almost all black -- nearly 83% black at last count, and probably closer to 85% now.

I think it was McCain muttering to himself, trying to focus on the question in case Russert asked him, or if Romney fumbled it.

This changes everything.
/

re: #203 zombie

And yes, Detroit is almost all black -- nearly 83% black at last count, and probably closer to 85% now.

You racist
you confused Detroit with Atlanta

All in all it's just- Another hole in the wall. They're at it again.

JWM

#156 rappmandu
zombie, you might enjoy this song from ray davies's new solo album

Thanks!

Little-known rock trivia: Ray Davies is one of the very few anti-idiotarians in British music.

I'm getting into the thread late but as I watch it I think that this has nothing to do With Romney.Even if it does, the timing is all off as he starts his answer almost simultaneously with the whisper.

No, I think this was somebody with an open mic.

Not any different than when I watch Jeopardy by myself and I still answer out loud, in a whispered voice...

re: #182 Ward Cleaver

yeah I read that. I chalked that up under "Politically correct Jobs to have in order to get hired in a minority work environment" Department. But hey, we would understand anything like that here in Cleveburg. Land of Dennis!

Sad, sad shoes for a once great city.

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #191 Dar ul Harb

McCain's inner voice? ;)

Darth Vader.

*Vader breath* You must raise taxes to save Social Security! Search your heart, you know it to be so! *Vader breath*

It looks like Romney is going to win Florida.
This is a nightmare for the Left-stream Media, they were pushing for a McCain victory...but the Republican voters just aren't playing along.

re: #203 zombie

re: #143 GregInSeattle

OT-

I find this interesting...

The Detroit Mayor's Cabinet

Does this cabinet lack diversity, or is Detroit 90% Black?

I don't understand. Where do you see the the non-black cabinet member?

If you're thinking that the pale-skinned Sharon McPhail counts as the one non-black cabinet member, think again -- she identifies as black:

McPhail was named one of Ebony Magazine's 100 Most Influential Black Americans...
...She serves as...Vice President of the Detroit Branch of the NAACP.

In other words, the cabinet is 100% self-identified black. 100% diversity! The mayor is also sleeeping with 25% of the female cabinet members. Diversity and free love -- what more could you ask for?

And yes, Detroit is almost all black -- nearly 83% black at last count, and probably closer to 85% now.

85% black.
15% Yemeni

Mitt Romney is a class act and great American. I could listen to his States of the Union addresses four years straight come hell or high water.

None of that fake "My Friends" phony noblesse oblige from a royalist clan with a Queen Mother still calling the shots, talking down to people who work for profit--as most of the country has to do, so some can lead for country.

Guess when you come from oil money as McCain's maternal side does, it's tempting to talk down to the "working" stiffs.

I say it's bad McCain form. Ronald Reagan worked in the economy and rose to greatness as a leader. They're not mutually exclusive, working & leading.

re: #179 Thanos

I never liked Herbert, I thought the Fremen, Sardaukar etc. were thinly disguised Muslims & the others thinly disguised Catholics, and Herbert liked the Fremen best...

Same here. I tried to get through Dune a couple of times. I finally made, but it was hardly worth the effort.

JWM

I don't get it, is there something wrong with wireless? You really want him trailing an extension chord everywhere he goes? Mitt is: the East Coast Governator!

re: #208 zombie

#156 rappmandu
zombie, you might enjoy this song from ray davies's new solo album

Thanks!

Little-known rock trivia: Ray Davies is one of the very few anti-idiotarians in British music.

Which is why the Davies brothers fight all the time... Dave is an ubermoonbat.

Wow, MSNBC is getting an ear full over at FirstRead

I could not agree with Keith of south bend more...pathetic attempts...are you supposed to report the news?I think also if you play the entire debate backwards you might hear McCain say "rudy is dead"!

OUCH!

Hobnailed shoes to the stomach!

I'm waiting for some teenage girl to ask Bill C at one of his stops if he still keeps in touch with Monica L or Jennifer. also what is the origin of Stinky Beaumont? did Charles drive thru Beaumont Tx some time years ago?

re: #212 DesertSage

No repeats of BOB DOLE!

no way, not now, not again.

re: #203 zombie

Credit Where It's Due Dept.:

Chief of Police Bully-Cummings? Priceless.

re: #202 Sharmuta

re: #166 konservo

Personally- I can't vote for ron paul or john mccain and huck is an idiot, so I hope we get Rudy and I find Mitt acceptable.

Whoa, I'll admit that McCain isn't exactly my first choice (to say the least), but I wouldn't lump him in with Ron Paul.

I'd still vote McCain over any of the Dems if it came down to it.

OT: From a The Nation article talking about how Obama could hit Hitlery harder if he really wanted to:

John Harris and Jim VandeHei of the Politico noted Hillary's failure at healthcare reform, the legal disbarment of Bill Clinton, and the loss of Congress in 1994 as potential sore spots that Obama could highlight. Mike Tomasky of The Guardian says Hillary's dismissal of Obama as just another smooth talker is also ripe for the pickin'.

"I was kind of surprised back in the New Hampshire era when the Clinton camp was arguing (they've since dropped it) that Hillary represented 'action' while Obama was all 'talk,'" Tomasky writes.

"I thought this was playing with fire. Action? Her biggest action during her husband's tenure, healthcare, was one of the most legendary failures in recent American political history. (And by the way, her generally acknowledged finest moment as first lady - her impressive and important speech on women's and human rights in Beijing - was, by her own campaign's definition, just dismissible 'talk.'")

Obama finally combed through Clinton's "35 years of experience" in Monday's debate, noting her time as a corporate lawyer in Arkansas and tenure on the board of Wal-Mart. But he hasn't really asked what she accomplished during those questionable 35 years or what tough issues she fought for in the Senate, where the New York Times reported "she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name."

re: #143 GregInSeattle

OT-

I find this interesting...

The Detroit Mayor's Cabinet

Does this cabinet lack diversity, or is Detroit 90% Black?

82%. High number, but still, why aren't other groups represented? This would be an issue if the other way around.

re: #215 JWM

I liked the Dune books, and in the end the Fremen are not thinly disguised; they are Muslims, albeit not Muslims we would recognize (Zensunni, a Herbert invention). In the Herbert Dune universe, religions have been mished and mashed into conglomerations of his own making. The Orange Catholic bible is given a history; it's not "Catholic" or "Christian".

The Jews have survived, but the portrayal is an odd mixture of admiration and overt (IMO) anti-Semitism.

re: #202 Sharmuta

re: #166 konservo

Personally- I can't vote for ron paul or john mccain and huck is an idiot, so I hope we get Rudy and I find Mitt acceptable.

that's where i'm at now.

ciaospirit,

Why don't you have an avatar?

re: #212 DesertSage

It looks like Romney is going to win Florida.
This is a nightmare for the Left-stream Media, they were pushing for a McCain victory...but the Republican voters just aren't playing along.

Damn, that's insane -- they have the chances of Giuliani winning at 5%.

I feel it's more like 75% - 80% likelihood. Maybe I should start betting!

People believe these polls?

The media isn't afraid of a Romney victory -- they want a Romney victory. That's why they're pushing these polls. (Because they think he's easily beatable in a general election.) What they're afraid of is a Giuliani victory.

For months Giuliani has been encouraging people to vote for him ahead of time in the mail-in ballots. For all we know, he may have already have enough votes to win.

re: #222 konservo

I'm not trying to lump mccain in with ron paul as far as all of ron paul's issues. It's just- if I want to vote for a democrat- I might as well vote for the real thing.

Quite the list of associates for McCain on Hotair!

McCain is still better than Shrill & Odinga's buddy.

re: #224 ciaospirit

re: #143 GregInSeattle

OT-

I find this interesting...

The Detroit Mayor's Cabinet

Does this cabinet lack diversity, or is Detroit 90% Black?

82%. High number, but still, why aren't other groups represented? This would be an issue if the other way around.

Because it is diverse. While back numbers came out of least diverse large US cities. IIRC Seattle was toward the top of the list, the City Clowncil, Mayor an papers went it hand wringer gyrations on how to "fix" the problem.

Some of those racist, conservative hate mongers had the temerity to point out that another large city and a very similar majority population and was NOT on the list of least diverse cities.

Seattle 82% white --- not diverse.
Detroit 82% black --- diverse.

re: #215 JWM

re: #179 Thanos

I never liked Herbert, I thought the Fremen, Sardaukar etc. were thinly disguised Muslims & the others thinly disguised Catholics, and Herbert liked the Fremen best...

Same here. I tried to get through Dune a couple of times. I finally made, but it was hardly worth the effort.

Hey, waitaminute, the original Dune (since there are about twenty sequels now by Herbert, his son(?), and various staff writers) was and is a great wanking coming of age book, and gives a very nice profile of Islamic culture, to boot. It's basically Lawrence of Arabia, in space, with a young boy protagonist.

Only post 9/11 does it have all these political implications. Published in 1965, between the 1956 and 1967 mideast wars, I think it reflects current events (anything newer than the Ottoman empire!) basically not at all.

It could be a moderator, or someone unrelated, but it certainly looks and sounds ... suspicious.

Ah, it's Peter Popoff (39.17mhz) all over again!

}:)     [Well, you know what they say, Mitt happens ... ]

re: #228 zombie

re: #212 DesertSage

It looks like Romney is going to win Florida.
This is a nightmare for the Left-stream Media, they were pushing for a McCain victory...but the Republican voters just aren't playing along.

Damn, that's insane -- they have the chances of Giuliani winning at 5%.

I feel it's more like 75% - 80% likelihood. Maybe I should start betting!

People believe these polls?

The media isn't afraid of a Romney victory -- they want a Romney victory. That's why they're pushing these polls. (Because they think he's easily beatable in a general election.) What they're afraid of is a Giuliani victory.

Em. I think what they are afraid of is a Hillary victory.

As a former Broadcast Professional, IF Mitt had an earpiece in and it was close enough to a mic to be "heard", there would have been feedback like crazy from the mic. AND, if I remember correctly, it (the earpiece) would have to have been turned up REAL loud. Ask some of the Lizard Musician about a mic too "hot" and too close to a monitor. Just sayin'.

re: #234 M. Simon

Em. I think what they are afraid of is a Hillary victory.

Hmmm? Why?

I think the MSM would be happy with either Obama or Hillary as President. Sure, they'd prefer Obama, but if it came down to Hillary vs. any Republican -- they'd shill for Hillary straight down the line.

re: #229 Sharmuta

So you would either vote for a dem, or not vote at all, before you cast a vote for McCain?

re: #230 akak

Quite the list of associates for McCain on Hotair!

McCain is still better than Shrill & Odinga's buddy.

Agreed ,,, but the MSM would love for McCain to be the Repub nominee. Either Hillary or Obama would be an odds on favorite to beat him

re: #237 zombie

re: #234 M. Simon

Em. I think what they are afraid of is a Hillary victory.

Hmmm? Why?

I think the MSM would be happy with either Obama or Hillary as President. Sure, they'd prefer Obama, but if it came down to Hillary vs. any Republican -- they'd shill for Hillary straight down the line.

The knives are already out for Hillary. You can read it in the MSM.

The Clintons: entertaining for 8 years. Tawdry for 16.

re: #54 loppyd

OT: This is rich.

John F-Ing Kerry blasts Bill Clinton for 'abusing truth'

WASHINGTON (CNN) — John Kerry, the Democratic Party's 2004 nominee for president, took aim at Bill Clinton Friday, telling the National Journal the former president does "not have a license to abuse the truth."
The Massachusetts senator, who endorsed Barack Obama's White House bid earlier this month, said Clinton's criticisms of the Illinois senator have been "over the top," and suggested the former president is getting "frantic."

Targeting Clinton's recent spate of attacks on Obama, Kerry said, "I think you had an abuse of the truth, is what happened. ...I mean, being an ex-president does not give you license to abuse the truth, and I think that over the last days it's been over the top.

Maybe he should have a chat with Jimmah.

ooohhh
aaahhh

the gloves are not quite coming off but they are starting to disintegrate

Give any politician an enema (especially during a campaign), and you could fit him in a shoebox.

(To borrow from Hitchens)

re: #237 zombie

re: #234 M. Simon

Em. I think what they are afraid of is a Hillary victory.

Hmmm? Why?

I think the MSM would be happy with either Obama or Hillary as President. Sure, they'd prefer Obama, but if it came down to Hillary vs. any Republican -- they'd shill for Hillary straight down the line.

Has anyone seen anything in the MSM about Obama's "Kenya Problem"? His wacky church affiliation is starting to get some play at the edges, but I've seen nothing about his support for Odinga.

re: #236 song_and_dance_man

that one got me.

one keyboard to go.

re: #232 itellu3times

re: #215 JWM

re: #179 Thanos

I never liked Herbert, I thought the Fremen, Sardaukar etc. were thinly disguised Muslims & the others thinly disguised Catholics, and Herbert liked the Fremen best...

Same here. I tried to get through Dune a couple of times. I finally made, but it was hardly worth the effort.

Hey, waitaminute, the original Dune (since there are about twenty sequels now by Herbert, his son(?), and various staff writers) was and is a great wanking coming of age book, and gives a very nice profile of Islamic culture, to boot. It's basically Lawrence of Arabia, in space, with a young boy protagonist.

Only post 9/11 does it have all these political implications. Published in 1965, between the 1956 and 1967 mideast wars, I think it reflects current events (anything newer than the Ottoman empire!) basically not at all.

Well there was some ramification, even back then, this was going on in 1964 in Yemen for instance:

The Radfan, 60 miles north of Aden city and 6,000 feet above sea level, is 400 square miles of desolation. Scorching (temperatures reach 150 degrees), almost waterless and roadless, the mountains were home to the Qotaibi tribe, self-described as the "Red Wolves of Radfan" because of their bloodcurdling practices, including beheading. Their stomping ground was the "Sacred Road"--the ancient caravan route from Aden via Dhala to Mecca--which they raided regularly. They numbered 7,500.

As one author put it, "Every male tribesman in the protectorate carried a gun. To go out without one was unthinkable. Shooting each other was their national sport." Combatants included a mix of "disciplined Marxist murderers, primitive tribal pursuers of the blood feud, teenage tearaways and dedicated nationalists"

re: #238 konservo

I am praying I don't have to deal with that situation. I really don't know if I'm capable of pulling the lever for mccain, but let's not cross that bridge before we get there.

I think I heard today that Hillary is RISING in the polls. God Save the Republic!

It was probably the angel Moroni, anyway.

re: #240 M. Simon

re: #237 zombie

re: #234 M. Simon

Em. I think what they are afraid of is a Hillary victory.

Hmmm? Why?

I think the MSM would be happy with either Obama or Hillary as President. Sure, they'd prefer Obama, but if it came down to Hillary vs. any Republican -- they'd shill for Hillary straight down the line.

The knives are already out for Hillary. You can read it in the MSM.

The Clintons: entertaining for 8 years. Tawdry for 16.

I don't believe that for a moment. The MSM loves the Clinton's, that's why the NY Times has already endorsed Hillary.
They hate Republicans, except for McCain...that's why they endorsed him.

They hate Romney. Romney was a governor and a Washington outsider, as opposed to Hillary and Obama. The MSM knows that Romney would destroy any Democrat in the general election...that's why they're pushing for McCain.

re: #235 FishFearMe

As a former Broadcast Professional, IF Mitt had an earpiece in and it was close enough to a mic to be "heard", there would have been feedback like crazy from the mic. AND, if I remember correctly, it (the earpiece) would have to have been turned up REAL loud. Ask some of the Lizard Musician about a mic too "hot" and too close to a monitor. Just sayin'.

but, like, isnt that all old school. I mean, with all the wireless shit out there, there wouldnt really be feedback would there?
/sarc

re: #248 negativ

another good one.
man, I am running out of keyboards here

"There you go with all those negativ vibes again Moriarty..."

re: #246 Sharmuta

re: #238 konservo

I am praying I don't have to deal with that situation. I really don't know if I'm capable of pulling the lever for mccain, but let's not cross that bridge before we get there.

We conservatives must stop "eating our young". What I mean by that is, all the nominal republican candidates have warts, be he Rudy, Mitt, Huckabee, Mccain, whoever.
You're going to tell me, that you would NOT vote for one of those over the Dem as a 'protest" because the republican isn’t 100% who you want him to be?
So,,, don't vote for the guy that is 50-75% of what you want, and get the guy/ gal that is 100% what you DON"T want.

I hope we’re smarter than that.

The msm is very concerned about Mitt. They know he is a very serious contender for the presidency and Hillary couldn't take him even in a staged debate ('course that goes for most of the GOP candidates).

Mitt is sharp and he's done his homework well enough to know where trick questions might come from and he's prepared for that. To me that says a lot about preparing to handle situations. He's not going to be caught on trivial stuff.

The lame ass conspiracy theory that he had a radio on him that a mike picked up is simply ludicrous and is a deflection away from where the true scrutiny should be--moderators asking trick "Gotcha" questions. That's not their job. They are there to moderate and ask questions. Playing this bullshit gotcha game in a debate degrades everyone involved.

Why are the GOPers putting up with this nonsense? Although Fred was not my favorite I do have to hand it to him for not putting up with childish nonsense like raising his hand when he wanted to explain his position. These debates have become more of a joke than anything.

Mitt and Rudy have something in common that I really look forward to in our next GOP presidential candidate--the ability to communicate and lead. That is Bush's greatest downfall and has hindered the republican party. I'd like to see that type of ticket--either way Mitt/Rudy or Rudy/Mitt.

re: #249 DesertSage

re: #240 M. Simon

re: #237 zombie

re: #234 M. Simon

Em. I think what they are afraid of is a Hillary victory.

Hmmm? Why?

I think the MSM would be happy with either Obama or Hillary as President. Sure, they'd prefer Obama, but if it came down to Hillary vs. any Republican -- they'd shill for Hillary straight down the line.

The knives are already out for Hillary. You can read it in the MSM.

The Clintons: entertaining for 8 years. Tawdry for 16.

I don't believe that for a moment. The MSM loves the Clinton's, that's why the NY Times has already endorsed Hillary.
They hate Republicans, except for McCain...that's why they endorsed him.

They hate Romney. Romney was a governor and a Washington outsider, as opposed to Hillary and Obama. The MSM knows that Romney would destroy any Democrat in the general election...that's why they're pushing for McCain.

the general populace much prefers voting for ex-governors than for current or ex fed reps.

re: #246 Sharmuta

Okay, fair enough.

re: #253 Thanos

"There you go with all those negativ vibes again Moriarty..."

blow up the bank