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British Journalists Dig Sharia

Sat, Feb 9, 2008 at 11:36:45 am PST

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams has really stirred up a hornets’ nest of controversy with his statement that sharia law is unavoidable in the UK. As you might expect, most of the commentary is opposed to his ludicrous position, but it’s interesting to see who stands up to defend the introduction of a medieval religious code of “justice” in modern Britain.

The Guardian, always ready to knuckle under to their new overlords, disseminates Hizb ut-Tahrir propaganda: Forget the beheadings, and think of settling marital disputes.

London Times “roving reporter” Martin Fletcher, epitomizing the term “useful idiot journalist,” sings the praises of the Al Qaeda-linked Islamic Courts Council in Somalia: My brush with Islamic justice was swift and fair.

One afternoon Richard Mills, The Times photographer, and I were driving away from the infamous Bakara arms market. In a narrow, rutted sidestreet our way was blocked by an approaching vehicle. Neither driver would give way.

A furious argument flared up, and our bodyguards drew their guns. Happily, ICC policemen arrived in the nick of time and escorted us all to the nearest Sharia court.

We waited in the yard of an old police station. An alleged drug dealer lay on the ground on his stomach, his hands and legs bound together behind his back. Several wretched faces stared out from the dark interiors of cells with barred windows. A bunch of women engaged in some sort of domestic dispute arrived and waited patiently behind us.

Finally the drivers, still arguing furiously, were each told to make their case to a couple of religious elders. They had barely begun before the court adjourned to a nearby carpet for sunset prayers.

When it resumed, and both drivers had had their say, the court pronounced. The two men were ordered to apologise to each other and we were all dismissed.

The court performed its duty with admirable dispatch and minimal fuss and everyone went away happy. It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates’ court.

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1 mean Gene  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:39:29am

What?
No curiousity about all those wretched faces staring out from the dark interiors of cells with barred windows?
What kind of "journalism" is that?

2 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:41:01am

Hooray for oppression!

3 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:41:05am

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

4 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:41:21am

Ok - What happened to the WOMEN and the ALLEGED DRUG DEALER, eh?

-S-

5 Boazhorribilis  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:41:26am

Well, there you have it.
Are we ready yet?

6 bikermailman  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:42:08am

All hail our new overlords!

8 chinesearithmetic  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:42:26am

They can take it.

9 Ayatrollah  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:42:35am

I bet he'd have a different opinion if he got to witness the drug dealer beheaded.

10 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:42:37am

Go live with the savages, you dipshit.

11 AuldTrafford  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:44:05am

Forget beheadings? I thought that was the Sharia method for resolving marital dispute ... maybe it was stoning ? ? ?

12 philipp  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:44:13am
It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates’ court.


Same goes for the awaited killing of the drug dealer.
/
They don't get that it's the same sharia law like the one used for stoning women, or like the one used for cutting off hands, feet, heads.

13 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:44:14am
14 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:44:26am

re: #4 Dr. Shalit

Ok - What happened to the WOMEN and the ALLEGED DRUG DEALER, eh?

-S-

Orgy!

15 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:44:56am
16 shibumi  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:44:59am
It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates court

I can see the time and cost benefits of appendage chopping, but stoning? Everyone knows that stoning is a very time consuming activity.

17 directorblue  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:45:07am

#12 - too bad, Fletcher didn't stick around for the stonings, floggings, and amputations! If he'd only waited another twenty minutes...

18 directorblue  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:45:46am

re: #16 shibumi...

You're forgetting the times-saving involved in burial expenses!

19 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:46:13am

re: #15 Iron Fist

re: #14 VegasRick,

Blood for the Blood God.

As long as somebody is bleeding, islam and stan are happy.

20 zombie  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:46:59am

These people don't get it.

It's not about the specifics of sharia. Setting aside the amputations and floggings and death sentences for gays and so forth. EVEN IF sharia was a perfectly inocuous legal system:

Everyone must be treated equally under a single consistent legal system.

Anything else is pure discrimination. You can't have different sets of laws for different people.

Why then couldn't any two people declare themselves a religion and announce they have their own legal system, which allows sex in public, driving at 150mph, and passing out crack cocaine on playgrounds? I mean, hey, it's my religion, and we have our own laws, so stop bugging me, Mr. Policeman!

Having a separate legal system violates the basic principals of a democratic society. It is only incidental that sharia is brutal and medieval.

21 pegcity  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:47:52am

i wonder if there gonna really like Shariah law when it becomes the law on the law in England around 2055

22 saberry0530  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:48:20am

I think I will cal him Mr. Vice grip pliers from now on. Or maybe ball peen hammer. Both useful tools

23 Reluctant Democrat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:48:48am

Gee whiz, I betcha all those alleged drug dealers and wretched faces were released soon thereafter!

Fletcher's release, I'm sure, had NOTHING to do with the fact he was a useful idiot...er, western journalist.

24 coquimbojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:48:56am

Fascism with a smile. Somebody should write a book.

25 brent  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:49:44am

I wish I had something clever to say, but what a tool. Maybe he should try taking some fruit from a stand, see what he thinks of the justed meted out for that... What if by chance, he chose to endulge in the love which I dare not name? I'm sure the elders would have been quicker to resolve that issue than his arguing body guards.

BTW, I wonder why he needs body guards in a place with such a good justice system?

26 coquimbojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:50:01am

The reporter's acceptance the courts should get involved with a right-of-way issue is sickening.

27 Texas Joel  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:50:08am

That is a nice comparison- Magistrates' Courts. But really the dispute in the west would have been settled by the police at the scene without the need to go to court at all.
eg:
Police move drivers back to their own trucks and make sure they are out of earshot of each other.
Cop1: (Speaking to driver 1) Don't tell me who started it, go over there and apologize and move your truck or I am taking you to court and letting him go. Don't waste my time with this, we need to drive over to Avenue D and settle a back yard dispute over a clothes line.

Cop2: (Speaking to driver 2) Don't tell me who started it, go over there and apologize and move your truck or I am taking you to court and letting him go. Don't waste my time with this, I have to go to court already to see about some drug dealer that got tied up and beheaded by the local muslim street gang.

28 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:50:12am

re: #24 coquimbojoe

Fascism with a smile. Somebody should write a book.

The DNC mission statement.

29 Boazhorribilis  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:50:33am

I do not care for "Religion" but am happy to live among religious people as long as they are not Moslem. From experience, there is nothing compeling about their habits and customs. Nothing.

30 american jewess in jerusalem  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:50:44am

re: #9 Ayatrollah

I bet he'd have a different opinion if he got to witness the drug dealer beheaded.

I'll bet he wouldn't.

31 doriangrey  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:51:11am

Oh come on folks, he is just ensuring his own survival, he is making sure that his new Evil vile murdering pedophile worshiping overlords know he is a good dhimmni whose head is far more valuable attached to his shoulders. I mean think about it, even the Nazi's needed someone to lead the Jew's into the showers, and carry the dead out to the ovens and stuff like that. This journalist is just making sure his new overlords know that they can count of me to do these kind of things for them when the time comes...

32 edomswim  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:51:30am

"It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates’ court."

hey kind of like the death penalty in those courts!

what a fucking douche

33 MacDuff  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:51:35am

For the first time in centuries, the sun is setting on the British flag. As the Brits were instrumental in creating the mess in which we currently find ourselves, perhaps there's a bit of poetic justice here, but it's still lamentable.

Mark Steyn continues to be right.

34 EC Marm  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:51:36am

Kinda OT
Something missing from the Brits diet?

Q: You said there is proof folate in our diet has helped Americans, but other countries, which do not mandate fortified grains, have not seen a change?

A: Fortified grains are mandated in the U.S. and Canada but not in England and Wales. When we compare the two sets of countries we have seen a significant decline in Alzheimer's and birth defects in countries where fortified grains are mandated.
snip
Research suggests that a nutrient-rich diet containing folic acid and other B vitamins may help preserve memory.


[Link: www.courant.com...]

35 brent  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:51:41am

... write a book?...

They did, it was "It takes a village (elder to decide right of way disputes and beheadings)".

A black comedy, I think.

36 zombie  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:51:50am

From the Marvin Fletcher article:

Finally the drivers, still arguing furiously, were each told to make their case to a couple of religious elders

Wait a minute -- which "religious elders"?

Where they elected? Did I vote for them? Or are they just self-appointed fascist overlords whose cavalier rulings I must obey?

I don't imagine there is a recall system or a method of impeachment under sharia.

This fact alone makes it utterly repugnant and un-Constitutional. If there is no accountability for the people who decide and enforce the law, then they essentially have dictatorial powers.

37 Tumulus11  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:52:21am
'My brush with Islamic justice was swift and fair.'


. The frightened dhimmi who survives always praises the benevolence of the Sharia tribunal that spared him.

38 pegcity  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:53:47am

re: #36 zombie

From the Marvin Fletcher article:

Finally the drivers, still arguing furiously, were each told to make their case to a couple of religious elders

Wait a minute -- which "religious elders"?

Where they elected? Did I vote for them? Or are they just self-appointed fascist overlords whose cavalier rulings I must obey?

I don't imagine there is a recall system or a method of impeachment under sharia.

This fact alone makes it utterly repugnant and un-Constitutional. If there is no accountability for the people who decide and enforce the law, then they essentially have dictatorial powers.


impechment under shariah law comes from the Barrel of an AK47 or the blade of a dagger

39 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:53:53am

Not trying to be rude or anything but this guy is a real asshole.

40 Texas Joel  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:54:00am

Ach!

It wasn't his bruch with the sharia, it was the drivers' brush.

If Martin Fletcher had been driving, the complaining muslim's testimony would have out weighed his non-muslim testimony according to law.
Sharia works fine between muslims, but amongst people of different religions.

41 Jack D. Ripper  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:54:05am

re: #34 EC Marm
Folate good, fluoride bad.

42 Killian Bundy  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:54:11am

Wrongfully convicted?

/too bad

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:54:16am

re: #20 zombie

Everyone must be treated equally under a single consistent legal system.

Anything else is pure discrimination. You can't have different sets of laws for different people.


It's amazing how people really don't understand the structure of modern society any more. The separation of church and state is no longer a cherished value.

44 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:54:59am

Love the pic, Martin, you f**kwit. Moonbats love assault rifles in the hands of third world communist or islamist thugs but in the hands of American citizens they are a threat.

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:55:08am

re: #34 EC Marm

As long as they are fortified by the Chinese I'm all for it.

46 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:55:54am

re: #42 Killian Bundy

Wrongfully convicted?

/too bad

They sew your head back on before they burn your body.

47 MacDuff  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:56:20am

re: #39 VegasRick

Not trying to be rude or anything but this guy is a real asshole.

No rudeness taken. Sometimes "asshole" is simply the most descriptive word.

48 pegcity  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:56:34am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

re: #20 zombie


Everyone must be treated equally under a single consistent legal system.

Anything else is pure discrimination. You can't have different sets of laws for different people.


It's amazing how people really don't understand the structure of modern society any more. The separation of church and state is no longer a cherished value.


honestly i don't think people understand anything anymore, learning takes time away from watching tv or playing computer games.

49 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:57:04am

re: #36 zombie

I imagine the reaction would be different if Christian priests were patrolling the streets as Christian muttawa. That would be opression.

50 Arbalest  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:57:16am

Let's be intellectually honest about this: Martin Fletcher's "brush with Sharia" is more of a case of Sharia voyeurism: as per his own writing:

"Finally the drivers, still arguing furiously, were each told to make their case to a couple of religious elders."

Fletcher's mighty editor should at least be intellectually honest enough to point out that Fletcher was not an involved party, as he said nothing nor was asked anything.

Is this now what passes for "hard-nosed reporting" among reporters?

This article looks/reads like a "jump the shark" moment.

Geraldo must be envious.

51 pegcity  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:57:43am

re: #44 Colonel Panik

Love the pic, Martin, you f**kwit. Moonbats love assault rifles in the hands of third world communist or islamist thugs but in the hands of American citizens they are a threat.

they're not assault rifles ,they're liberation utensils.

52 opnion  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:57:47am

re: #40 Texas Joel

Ach!

It wasn't his bruch with the sharia, it was the drivers' brush.

If Martin Fletcher had been driving, the complaining muslim's testimony would have out weighed his non-muslim testimony according to law.
Sharia works fine between muslims, but amongst people of different religions.

You have hit on the heart of the matter.It was a minor dispute between two Muslims.
Change the facts. Lets say that this idiot journalist got caught boinking a Muslim babe.
They would both be executed. I do not believe that introduction of the Magna Carta would save him

53 norar  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:57:48am
The court performed its duty with admirable dispatch and minimal fuss and everyone went away happy. It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates’ court.

So was feudal court for sure, and no all these messy appeals, etc.

54 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:58:16am

re: #47 MacDuff

re: #39 VegasRick


Not trying to be rude or anything but this guy is a real asshole.

No rudeness taken. Sometimes "asshole" is simply the most descriptive word.


I think his picture should be the definition in the dictionary.

55 flighterdoc  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:58:26am

Better tell those 'journalists' that one of the strictly religious (and therefore, fair game for their support) crimes is speaking ill of the camel-screwing prophet, or disrespecting their gutter religion in any way that some terrorist decides is anti-islam.

They're walking on eggshells...

56 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #48 pegcity

Free Markets are another concept that people don't really understand anymore. Democrats and Republicans are guilty.

57 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:00:15pm

OT:

Speaking of 'legal system' wife and I at dinner with a friend.

Friends uncle works in the iron industry and proposed a contract bid for Nasa on a new development.

Bid proposal was 7 million which still included a ridiculous profit margin.

He lost.

In the letter he received about the denial, a person of 'minority status' was awarded the contract for 12 million.

Welcome to your 'PC Tax dollars' hard at work.

58 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:00:40pm

re: #51 pegcity


they're not assault rifles ,they're liberation utensils.

ROTFLMAO!

59 FightingBack  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:00:52pm

What court? There was a crime committed? Aren't his drivers licensed to carry fire arms?
Sounds like he had a really fun day, what with seeing the drug dealer and all.

60 rw in san diego  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:01:07pm

I wonder if Mr. Fletcher is the least bit curious as to what the 'court decision' would have been if only one of the drivers had been a Muslim? There's no doubt in my mind would would have come out ahead (no pun intended) in such a scenario.

61 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:01:15pm

All money is a matter of belief.
Adam Smith

62 MacDuff  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:01:31pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

re: #48 pegcity

Free Markets are another concept that people don't really understand anymore. Democrats and Republicans are guilty.

Hear! Hear!

63 Texas Joel  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

re: #36 zombie

I imagine the reaction would be different if Christian priests were patrolling the streets as Christian muttawa. That would be opression.

Hmmm,
Imagine, if you can, how the Christian 'sharia' courts would be portrayed. Try this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

64 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:02:57pm

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
Adam Smith

65 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:03:31pm

I heart invisible hands.

66 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:03:37pm

Labor was the first price, the original purchase-money that was paid for all things.
Adam Smith

67 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:04:34pm

the self-loathing left have found their true masters.

68 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:05:22pm

Ah yes, the vaunted Somali legal system. Fecking idiot.

69 BabbaZee  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:05:55pm

They have one purpose, and will give their power and authority to the beast.
~ Revelation 17:13

70 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:06:20pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

re: #20 zombie


Everyone must be treated equally under a single consistent legal system.

Anything else is pure discrimination. You can't have different sets of laws for different people.


It's amazing how people really don't understand the structure of modern society any more. The separation of church and state is no longer a cherished value.

It's one big steaming pile of religion and peace.

71 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:06:33pm

The real tragedy of the poor is the poverty of their aspirations.
Adam Smith

72 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:07:38pm

re: #63 Texas Joel

Exactly.

73 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:08:12pm

Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.
Adam Smith

74 pegcity  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:10:04pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

re: #48 pegcity

Free Markets are another concept that people don't really understand anymore. Democrats and Republicans are guilty.

I live in Canada there is no free market here, the gov owns all the liquor stores, owns a gas station chain, the post office, all the utilities.

Your lucky you ever had a free market.

75 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:12:47pm

Depending on the sharia judge's state of mind, Fletcher could just as easily ended up being sentenced to lashes or worse. The vanity of such journalists is amazing, not to mention their utter stupidity.

76 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:13:01pm

I know what it is. Fletch wants four wives.

77 WitchDoctor  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:13:16pm

Well, so far I think Washington State only owns the liquor stores outright, but they are working on ruining the rest!

Wish me luck, I'm off to my local Republican caucus and will be sporting my LGF t-shirt in all its glory (sorry about the paunch Charles, I'm working on it!).

78 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:13:21pm

re: #64 BulgarWheat

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
Adam Smith

Yes - Rational self interest works nicely for all involved.

79 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:13:33pm

Oops. Fletcher. I was thinking of the Chevy Chase movies.

80 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:15:38pm

Kangaroo courts. No due process. I'll even go way out on a limb and possibly accept that some law - any law - is preferable to the anarchic hellhole that pertains in Somalia. But I'm stretching. When Great Britain is willing to say that they at the same level of chaos as Somalia, then maybe they should think about sharia law. But only then.
/No, actually not even then.

81 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #74 pegcity

re: #56 Killgore Trout


re: #48 pegcity

Free Markets are another concept that people don't really understand anymore. Democrats and Republicans are guilty.


I live in Canada there is no free market here, the gov owns all the liquor stores, owns a gas station chain, the post office, all the utilities.

Your lucky you ever had a free market.



Canada - heaven on earth.

82 gymnast  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:18:18pm

Martin Fletcher, ABC New Reporter. Holder of the Worlds Record for Stockholm syndrome. "Popular Mechanics" Useless Tool of the Month award winner.

83 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:18:22pm

Sharia? Isn't that the hottie singer from Colombia who wiggles her hips? I dig her too.

84 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:20:00pm
85 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:20:33pm

re: #81 debutaunt

re: #74 pegcity


re: #56 Killgore Trout

re: #48 pegcity
Free Markets are another concept that people don't really understand anymore. Democrats and Republicans are guilty.

I live in Canada there is no free market here, the gov owns all the liquor stores, owns a gas station chain, the post office, all the utilities.
Your lucky you ever had a free market.


Canada - heaven on earth.

Coming to a country (USA) near you!

CHANGE !

86 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:21:03pm

I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good.
Adam Smith

87 akak  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:22:33pm

From Tottenham to Toronto to Texas, only things that are for sure..

death & taxes jiyza

88 gwillie  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:23:15pm

So now every time someone has a traffic dispute, armed police can gather up everybody around, drives passengers, and witnesses, take them before a judge and have the dispute settled, after a brief time out for prayer, and all of the libs will be happy.
I can’t wait...

89 opnion  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:23:23pm

re: #83 Colonel Panik

Sharia? Isn't that the hottie singer from Colombia who wiggles her hips? I dig her too.

"oh baby ,when you talk like that, you make a woman go mad"
wiggle, turn; wiggle turn, "Shari Sharia"

90 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:24:53pm

re: #88 gwillie

So now every time someone has a traffic dispute, armed police can gather up everybody around, drives passengers, and witnesses, take them before a judge and have the dispute settled, after a brief time out for prayer, foot washing, beating their wives, planning on the destruction of the western world, and all of the libs will be happy.
I can’t wait...

fixed

91 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:25:34pm

I cannot forget the beheadings. Rowan William's comments really do amount to treason against Great Britain. And the Queen (God save her) is defender of the faith. It would certainly be within her power to remove Mr. Williams from his post of Bishop.

You may contact the Queen through the Royal Family's website, and tell her what you think. You may also find her postal address there. Please be courteous.

I believe the Queen does have some power here, such power as remains latent most of the time but is available when extraordinary need arises.

Thanks


The official website of the British Monarchy.

92 lostlakehiker  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:26:22pm

It's entirely possible for a Sharia court to do a better job in some particular case than would formal western courts.

Summary execution of drug dealers? Not a problem.

Simple apologies exacted on the spot? Not a problem.

Summary execution of someone who was not in fact a drug dealer? Big problem. Stonings and amputations? Big problem. And behind all that, we get to the main problem. If Imams are judges, then who but Muslims can expect even a chance at justice? In Sharia law, the evidence of a Christian counts for little, and the evidence of a nonbeliever counts for nothing at all. And even if you're Muslim, it's still a mistake to be a woman. Your evidence, too, counts for little.

93 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:26:29pm

History suggests that capitalism is a necessary condition for political freedom.
Milton Friedman

94 storagemanager  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:28:06pm

Huckabuck to win Kansas.

95 BulgarWheat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:28:27pm

I am favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it's possible.
Milton Friedman

I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. According to my values system, if people want to kill themselves, they have every right to do so. Most of the harm that comes from drugs is because they are illegal.
Milton Friedman

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.
Milton Friedman

Inflation is taxation without legislation.
Milton Friedman

And with that, I'm through with my economics quotes for the day. Not as if I had to actually do any work or anything. Nice little pearls of wisdom though.

96 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:30:10pm

re: #95 BulgarWheat

Friedman's take on drugs flunks the compassion test IMHO.

97 BignJames  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:30:39pm

This is really Robert Fisk...isn't it?

98 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:32:09pm

Mahtin Fletcha - the wretched face of modern journalism.

99 zeppenwolf  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:34:42pm

I feel like the only one who notices the elephant in the room here-- two cars are blocking each other... and they can't work it out by themselves? In two minutes?!?

I know that road rage exists all over the world, but these muslims seem to have rage for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

100 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:34:48pm

re: #91 Ojoe

I cannot forget the beheadings. Rowan William's comments really do amount to treason against Great Britain. And the Queen (God save her) is defender of the faith. It would certainly be within her power to remove Mr. Williams from his post of Bishop.

You may contact the Queen through the Royal Family's website, and tell her what you think. You may also find her postal address there. Please be courteous.

I believe the Queen does have some power here, such power as remains latent most of the time but is available when extraordinary need arises.

Thanks


The official website of the British Monarchy.

Rowan is just 'reaching' across the aisle. BINO (Bishop In Name Only)...

/ (I think)...

101 jordash1212  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:37:17pm

Propaganda.

102 Joan Not of Arc  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:38:08pm

Sharia is a tribalistic, misogynist and arbitrary set of rules. Trying to get the state or Crown to approve of them when any other religious body would not reject the sovereignty of just law only shows how arrogant these people are. As for the journalists, the day they do their homework is the day they quit their jobs.

103 gwillie  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:38:42pm

re: #81 debutaunt
O.T. I made a top ten list of things you didn't know about Washington. Canada is mentioned.

104 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #95 BulgarWheat

Don't stop!

105 akak  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:39:11pm
106 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:41:16pm

re: #91 Ojoe

The recipe for Jubilee Chicken sounds delish!

107 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:42:28pm

re: #92 lostlakehiker

Summary execution in a civilian world is a BIG problem.

108 TimeQuake  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:44:14pm

re: #95 BulgarWheat

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.


Milton Friedman

LOL

109 Daisy  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:48:59pm

"A furious argument flared up, and our bodyguards drew their guns."

Hmmm. Does this ass need gun toting BODYGUARDS back home in England? Does he need guards who draw guns because they can't figure out how to yield the right of way on a lousy roadway (!)? Does he even have a clue that Sharia (and all that goes with it) is what's causing the relentless misery in Somalia?

110 descolada9  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:49:28pm

My patience with idiots like this journalist has worn so thin that I'm thinking of asking my state senator to introduce a bill into the legislature that makes it legal to hunt useful idiots and journalists in general.

111 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:51:18pm

re: #108 TimeQuake

re: #95 BulgarWheat


If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

Milton Friedman

LOL

He was one humorous genius.

112 gman  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:52:21pm

Richard Mills is "really" happy because he wasn't jailed, flogged, strung up, or placed before a firing squad for a dispute involving the driver of his car and another driver.

Its mind- boggling
...the lengths to which moonbats will go in their denial of the truth.

113 gwillie  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:52:31pm

I didn't read the article first but now that I have This line scares me.

As one who has been hauled in front of a Sharia court I would like to risk having my hand — or head — chopped off a second time by suggesting that the Archbishop of Canterbury just might have a point.


He is willingwould like to allow beheading and amputations based on how well a traffic dispute was handled?

114 spidly  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:52:44pm

perhaps the lefties want to be saved from themselves in a horrible way

115 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:52:52pm

Charles has Fletcher nailed.

Fletcher has lived in Tel Aviv for about 25 years. He apparently hangs around the coffee shops in TA with all the libs way too much.

116 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:54:21pm

re: #110 descolada9

My patience with idiots like this journalist has worn so thin that I'm thinking of asking my state senator to introduce a bill into the legislature that makes it legal to hunt useful idiots and journalists in general.

Your taxidermy bill would be quite high.

117 TimeQuake  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:55:15pm

re: #111 debutaunt

He was one humorous, financial genius.

Indeed.

118 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:56:56pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Your taxidermy bill would be quite high.

I misjudged my timing in drinking a can of Fresca™...my monitor needs to be cleaned.

/Thanks.

119 gman  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:57:15pm

It reminds me of a moonbat colleague, who, upon coming back from a trip to China, said that the people were all so lovely and kind.

Never heard a word about the rampant squalor and government corruption.

120 jcm  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:59:09pm

Which is sicker, the depraved religion and culture which comes up with this "justice," or the product of enlightened western culture which values liberty and justice turning a blind eye to the depravity.

I'll go the sickest being the useless tool of a reporter, some one who should beyond a doubt have a higher set of standards by any measure.

While the poor fools in that cultural madness are sickening, far more sickening is the "tolerance" in the west for depravity in the name of diversity.

*spit*

121 gman  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 12:59:55pm

I wonder if the women involved in the domestic dispute were treated as kindly as the apologizing moonbat leftist's entourage.

122 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:00:36pm

re: #118 NY Nana

Sorry 'bout that!

123 spidly  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:00:42pm

re: #119 gman

or the doctors singing the praises of cuba...oh but they're good lobotomies

124 swamprat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:03:46pm

re: #119 gman

It reminds me of a moonbat colleague, who, upon coming back from a trip to China, said that the people were all so lovely and kind.

Never heard a word about the rampant squalor and government corruption.



A friend of mine worked there for two years. He said the same thing; and he is a conservative. ...He's in russia now and he hates it.

125 ciaospirit  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:03:51pm

re: #57 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

Speaking of 'legal system' wife and I at dinner with a friend.

Friends uncle works in the iron industry and proposed a contract bid for Nasa on a new development.

Bid proposal was 7 million which still included a ridiculous profit margin.

He lost.

In the letter he received about the denial, a person of 'minority status' was awarded the contract for 12 million.

Welcome to your 'PC Tax dollars' hard at work.

PC for PC's sake. It's going to ruin us. I work with a black woman whose husband just received a huge government grant. He is an artist and wants to move into his own big studio with living quarters above, so, basically, he wrote this grant and submitted it through the art college where he teaches (they were more than happy to oblige) and all he had to do was promise to hold some lectures at the studio. She was proud that they figured out how to get free money.

Your hard earned tax dollars busy subsidizing yet another "oppressed" minority.

126 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:05:22pm

re: #121 gman

I wonder if the women involved in the domestic dispute were treated as kindly as the apologizing moonbat leftist's entourage.


Of course not, a woman is considered to be 1/3rd the value of a man under sharia.

127 spidly  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:07:51pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

re: #121 gman

I wonder if the women involved in the domestic dispute were treated as kindly as the apologizing moonbat leftist's entourage.


Of course not, a woman is considered to be 1/3rd the value of a man under sharia.

that only binds them together in happy sisterhood, its good repression

128 abolitionist  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:08:08pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

re: #121 gman

I wonder if the women involved in the domestic dispute were treated as kindly as the apologizing moonbat leftist's entourage.


Of course not, a woman is considered to be 1/3rd the value of a man under sharia.

I thot it was 1/2 the value of a man, as a witness in court. Perhaps you're referring to compensation for an unlawful or accidental death?

129 Render  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:08:57pm

"...drew their guns."

Pen and paper? Charcoal? Watercolor?

They have the very rare and ever so special version of the Ronco vest-pocket AK-47?

Is that an assault rifle in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

FREAKIN
LOONS,
R

130 sparrowlake  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:11:16pm

re: #120 jcm

Which is sicker, the depraved religion and culture which comes up with this "justice," or the product of enlightened western culture which values liberty and justice turning a blind eye to the depravity.

I'll go the sickest being the useless tool of a reporter, some one who should beyond a doubt have a higher set of standards by any measure.

While the poor fools in that cultural madness are sickening, far more sickening is the "tolerance" in the west for depravity in the name of diversity.

*spit*

He is a useful tool - useful to the famelcuckers.

131 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:11:27pm

re: #129 Render

"...drew their guns."

He writes is so cavalieraly! He makes it soumd like he's watching an old Western..

"Abdul Wayne and Mohammed Palance star in ,,, "

132 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:12:22pm

re: #128 abolitionist

It varies. IIRC they inherit 1/2 of what men do, their testimony counts for 1/3rd of a man's, I forget what the blood money payments are.

133 jcm  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:16:08pm

re: #130 sparrowlake

re: #120 jcm

Which is sicker, the depraved religion and culture which comes up with this "justice," or the product of enlightened western culture which values liberty and justice turning a blind eye to the depravity.

I'll go the sickest being the useless tool of a reporter, some one who should beyond a doubt have a higher set of standards by any measure.

While the poor fools in that cultural madness are sickening, far more sickening is the "tolerance" in the west for depravity in the name of diversity.

*spit*

He is a useful tool - useful to the famelcuckers.

The fadwuck is a waste of a carbon footprint.

134 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:16:20pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Next time I will not drink Fresca while posting! ;)

135 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:19:02pm

re: #134 NY Nana

Just be sure to swallow before reading!

136 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:19:42pm

re: #135 MandyManners

re: #134 NY Nana

Just be sure to swallow before reading!

gulp ,,, ummm,,, ummm,, no comment !

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

137 EE  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:19:48pm
And like the dhimmi and the slave, a woman was subject to certain inferiorities in law. In inheritance, for example, or in testimony in a lawsuit, she was valued as half a man.


-- Bernard Lewis, The Middle East

Are there no female British journalists, or British journalists who empathize with the rights and freedoms of women, who understand how bringing Sharia law into Britain would lead to the subjugation of women?

It might be argued that if there is arbitration between a Muslim woman and her family, that no harm is done and nothing unfair is done because she would be in the court voluntarily. But as free thinking Muslim women in Canada have pointed out, the Muslim woman would be under great pressure from her family -- her husband or father or brother or whatever other male seeks to take away her rights -- to go to a Sharia court, so her doing this would not really be voluntarily.

But what can we expect from NBC's Tel Aviv bureau chief Martin Fletcher, who has bonded with a suicide bomber and his family, and is unable to feel the pain of those who are victimized by suicide bombers?
(see NY Nana's first link in #115)
If Fletcher is so anesthetized against feeling the pain of suicide bomber victims, how can anybody expect him to feel or even understand the pain of the victims of Sharia? Martin Fletcher is a useful idiot. He is also blind, deaf, unfeeling, unthinking, and practically comatose, with regard to the pain suffered by the victims of jihad and the victims of Sharia.

138 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:23:41pm

re: #123 spidly

re: #119 gman

or the doctors singing the praises of cuba...oh but they're good lobotomies

Speaking of Cuba and its wonders, who made Michael Moore shut up?

139 straitcircle  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:24:05pm

When will the Queen done the Bed sheet?

140 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:24:32pm

re: #138 debutaunt

re: #123 spidly


re: #119 gman

or the doctors singing the praises of cuba...oh but they're good lobotomies


Speaking of Cuba and its wonders, who made Michael Moore shut up?

He was last seen entering an all you can eat, 24 hour buffet,,, maybe his mouth has just been full for months !

141 Shay4l  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:24:42pm

It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad. The guy is actually happy to be so efficiently (well except for the break for evening prayers) dragged into court for a minor traffic disagreement and let go, by a petty tyrant accountable to no one, without being beheaded. What a system!

142 abolitionist  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:25:11pm

OnTopic, found at barking-moonbat.com -
SO,,, SHARIA, ANYONE?
A westerners guide to sharia law

My sentence was reduced to beheading
Last Updated: 2:31am GMT 09/02/2008

Sandy Mitchell has terrifying first-hand experience of being on the wrong side of sharia law.

Mr Mitchell, 52, was falsely accused of being involved in a car bombing in Saudi Arabia in 2000 when he was working there as an anaesthetic technician.

He was held in prison for three years and tortured until he eventually signed a confession, which he later had to read out on Saudi television.

advertisementA sharia court sentenced him to having his head partially severed, followed by public crucifixion.

The sentence was later reduced to beheading, before the Saudi authorities finally conceded that al-Qa’eda terrorists had planted the bomb and let Mr Mitchell return home to Halifax, West Yorks.

Yesterday he accused the Archbishop of Canterbury of “betraying” Christians with his comments on Islamic law.

He said Dr Rowan Williams clearly had “absolutely no concept of what sharia law is”, because if he did, “he wouldn’t have made such a foolish statement”.
[snip]

143 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:25:14pm

re: #135 MandyManners

re: #134 NY Nana

Just be sure to swallow before reading!

Now you tell me?!?!?!

re: #136 sattv4u2

ROTFL!

144 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:25:23pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

re: #121 gman


I wonder if the women involved in the domestic dispute were treated as kindly as the apologizing moonbat leftist's entourage.

Of course not, a woman is considered to be 1/3rd the value of a man under sharia.

The 'better half' scam we have going on here is much nicer, thank you.

145 cookielady  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:25:24pm

I would email the Queen of England and ask her to take up her duty as 'defender of the faith'... but it is very difficult to defend something one does not have.

146 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:26:10pm

re: #139 straitcircle

You mean 'don'?

Probably never.

147 swamprat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:26:42pm

re: #137 EE

The new suffragettes care only about injustice in America, don't cha' know. China, the Arabic world and Africa, could grind up their women, dry them thoroughly, roll them up in little bits of paper, and smoke them, and you would not hear a peep.
148 mjazzguitar  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:27:27pm

"everyone went away happy" -isn't that special.

149 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:28:20pm

re: #133 jcm

re: #130 sparrowlake


re: #120 jcm

Which is sicker, the depraved religion and culture which comes up with this "justice," or the product of enlightened western culture which values liberty and justice turning a blind eye to the depravity.

I'll go the sickest being the useless tool of a reporter, some one who should beyond a doubt have a higher set of standards by any measure.

While the poor fools in that cultural madness are sickening, far more sickening is the "tolerance" in the west for depravity in the name of diversity.

*spit*


He is a useful tool - useful to the famelcuckers.

The fadwuck is a waste of a carbon footprint.

Carbon footprint - Ridiculous, unless you spill some BBQ fuel and walk through the mess.

150 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:28:22pm

re: #145 cookielady

Don't be so sure.

She lived through WW2 working as a mechanic for a motor pool.

She's seen a fight for civilization already.

She has to be somewhat reserved in her job, but I bet she knows what she thinks, and I bet you'd agree with it.

151 Straitcircle  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:29:01pm

re: #146 Ojoe

thanks, don't use that word much. Do you expect a civil war in the next decades there? Or will the UK succumb to the Shariah? I have no idea.

152 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:30:05pm

re: #148 mjazzguitar

"everyone went away happy" -isn't that special.

I'm surprised that CAIR isn't touting the fact that nobody went away in a body bag as proof positive that it's the ROP !

153 pat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:30:27pm

The idea that divorce be relegated to sharia should horrify the entire EU. Under Sharia, fathers get both the children, the money and usually the house. If adultery is the claim, and a woman can rarely refute the same because her testimony is a fraction of that of a male, she risks a death sentence.

154 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:30:42pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

re: #148 mjazzguitar


"everyone went away happy" -isn't that special.

I'm surprised that CAIR isn't touting the fact that nobody went away in a body bag THIS TIME as proof positive that it's the ROP !

there ,,, fixed meself !

155 cybermonk  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:31:13pm

re: #77 WitchDoctor

In Pennsylvania, only the state, in "State STores" can sell hard liquor and wine, beer is ok to buy from distributors, not 7-11' or convenience stores. At least it used to be before I left, in Florida you can buy wine and beer just about anywhere., and wal mart, publix and other chains have a seperate liquor store attached to their main store

156 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:31:18pm

re: #137 EE

/What would the world do without the likes of the f*ing bitch, Christiane Imawhore?

157 cookielady  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:31:59pm
everyone went away happy

everyone went away relieved not to have been tortured or maimed and happy to still possess their crappy lives

I'm just sure that's what he actually meant. After all, journalists are intelligent and sensible people, objective and clear in their observations, and dedicated to finding and disseminating only the Truth without bias.

/ / / /

158 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:32:21pm

re: #155 cybermonk

re: #77 WitchDoctor

In Pennsylvania, only the state, in "State STores" can sell hard liquor and wine, beer is ok to buy from distributors, not 7-11' or convenience stores. At least it used to be before I left, in Florida you can buy wine and beer just about anywhere., and wal mart, publix and other chains have a seperate liquor store attached to their main store

Blue laws - I thought they were long gone.

159 cybermonk  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:32:23pm

re: #138 debutaunt

when castro banned his movie in cuba

160 Stringart  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:32:35pm

re: #139 straitcircle

When will the Queen done the Bed sheet?

Never. Her Majesty has balls of steel. Her idiot son, OTOH...

I pray that Elizabeth outlives Charles.

161 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:32:54pm

re: #156 NY Nana

re: #137 EE

/What would the world do without the likes of the f*ing bitch, Christiane Imawhore?

Nana ,,, To include Imawhore is an insult to the f***ing bitches of the world,

162 cybermonk  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:33:25pm

re: #158 debutaunt

blue laws have to do with opening up certain types stores on Sunday

163 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:35:43pm

re: #156 NY Nana

re: #137 EE

/What would the world do without the likes of the f*ing bitch, Christiane Imawhore?

I call her "Insiane Andawhore"

164 cookielady  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:36:38pm

re: #150 Ojoe

That's good news. It just seems to me that she has retreated from doing anything of real importance or value for so long that she doesn't appear to believe in anything anymore. And the Church of England is, well, IMO only, kind of watered down, wishy-washy faith at this point. Look at the pronouncements of Prince Charles regarding Islam.

At least Bush isn't actually in charge of Christianity or any church in America. He has given Christians enough of a bad name/black eye by claiming Islam is the ROP; he can't enforce that declaration in the churches, thank the Lord!

165 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:36:46pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

And folks think I've a dirty mind!

166 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:38:12pm

re: #165 MandyManners

re: #136 sattv4u2

And folks think I've a dirty mind!

/sorry

167 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:39:17pm

re: #150 Ojoe

Sadly the Royal Family is in the pocket of the sodding Sauds, etc...and I think that this is a contributor to Londonistan...

168 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:39:19pm
169 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:39:32pm

re: #151 Straitcircle

Not a civil war, a battle, & as the primitives cannot field an army, float a navy or keep an air force in the air, it won't take very long.

A breaking point will be reached after some atrocity, I believe, & there will be some disorder; western governments will then assert their actual power; many people will be sent home; sneaky attacks will come from the islamic countries & then retaliation will be visited on those places, just enough to put them into chaos to the point that they cannot attack civilization across their borders. Then the west will sit back and watch; islam might find its reformer then, or it will fester to the point of attacking again, and will again be beaten back.

Repeated as necessary.

That's the most hopeful outcome I can think of, except for a total miracle where the islamic world suddenly by some means sees the sanctity of life and acts that way.

170 mjazzguitar  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:39:34pm

re: #95 BulgarWheat
Meth and coke can make people paranoid and delusional. You could be looking out your window and the dude or dudette next door could come over with a gun and blow your brain out.

171 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:40:21pm

re: #165 MandyManners

re: #136 sattv4u2

And folks think I've a dirty mind!

I'd have to be steamed cleaned and sand blasted to be elevated up to mere "dirty mind" status !

172 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:40:45pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Nana ,,, To include Imawhore is an insult to the f***ing bitches of the world,

My bad! And then there is the matter of Shrillary...

173 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:42:12pm

re: #172 NY Nana

re: #161 sattv4u2


Nana ,,, To include Imawhore is an insult to the f***ing bitches of the world,

My bad! And then there is the matter of Shrillary...

ggeeezz,, now I'm REALLY depressed!

174 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:42:17pm

re: #167 NY Nana

Yeah that's Charles though.

Write to the Queen, she needs some good advice.

175 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:42:30pm

re: #162 cybermonk

re: #158 debutaunt

blue laws have to do with opening up certain types stores on Sunday

I grew up in Connecticut, so I probably extended this idiocy to all similar crazy laws.

176 cookielady  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:42:47pm

Drat! Gotta go, kid's turn for the computer. I try to be fair once in a while, despite my LGF addiction, LOL!

See youse guys latah!

177 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:43:15pm

re: #9 Ayatrollah

I bet he'd have a different opinion if he got to witness the drug dealer beheaded.

Nope. The Left is evil. They killed more than 100,000,000 people in the 20th century. Beheading drug dealers would cause them to yawn, as long as the drug dealer can somehow be defined as a "class enemy", or worse still, a "capitalist".

178 Wishbone  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:43:18pm

re: #33 MacDuff

For the first time in centuries, the sun is setting on the British flag. As the Brits were instrumental in creating the mess in which we currently find ourselves, perhaps there's a bit of poetic justice here, but it's still lamentable.

Mark Steyn continues to be right.

You know Mac, people like you never cease to amaze me. Just when I dare to believe that the morons whose intellectual laziness leads them to expound the crass notion that a singular or minority opinion is representative of the British ethos or character as a whole have all been freeze dried and packed away for scientific study at a later date, along comes another one who escaped processing.

179 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:43:45pm

re: #165 MandyManners

re: #136 sattv4u2

And folks think I've a dirty mind!

We don't just think it, Mandy.

180 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:43:48pm

re: #176 cookielady

Bye for now, cookielady.

181 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:44:35pm
182 Racer X  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:45:02pm

Sharia.

When you cannot figure it out on your own, get some self appointed religious zealot to tell you how to do everything in life. From wiping your ass to being courteous to others. Let someone else make the decision so you don't have to. No need to think. No need to hold anyone accountable. Let a self appointed Imam decide.

See how easy life can be under Sharia!

/you will submit now.

183 cookielady  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:45:18pm

re: #178 Wishbone

It's okay, Wishbone. We are so used to being treated that way ourselves that we tend to blurt such things without caveat.

God bless Great Britain, our root and friend!

Really going now.

184 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:45:44pm

re: #169 Ojoe

re: #151 Straitcircle

Not a civil war, a battle, & as the primitives cannot field an army, float a navy or keep an air force in the air, it won't take very long.

A breaking point will be reached after some atrocity, I believe, & there will be some disorder; western governments will then assert their actual power; many people will be sent home; sneaky attacks will come from the islamic countries & then retaliation will be visited on those places, just enough to put them into chaos to the point that they cannot attack civilization across their borders. Then the west will sit back and watch; islam might find its reformer then, or it will fester to the point of attacking again, and will again be beaten back.

Repeated as necessary.

That's the most hopeful outcome I can think of, except for a total miracle where the islamic world suddenly by some means sees the sanctity of life and acts that way.

I agree with your 1st and 2nd paragraph. The last one - no way.

185 Stringart  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:45:44pm

I seriously doubt that a part of sharia could be allowed without there being demands for the rest of the code to be allowed. As zombie pointed out earlier, there can't be 2 legal codes. If there was a conflict between the two, British law would have to be scrapped rather than risk Muslim backlash.

On the bright side, neither the Archbishop nor the Guardian make policy; they can only try to persuade or, as this week has shown, serve as an alarm. I would be surprised if Britons aren't writing or calling their MPs demanding this nonsense be stopped in its tracks.

186 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:46:33pm

re: #184 VegasRick

It would be a miracle now, wouldn't it. Worth praying for.

187 VegasRick  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:49:05pm

re: #181 ploome hineni

re: #163 VegasRick


re: #156 NY Nana

re: #137 EE
/What would the world do without the likes of the f*ing bitch, Christiane Imawhore?

I call her "Insiane Andawhore"

being a TV talking head is never having to say you're sorry

or give a damn about facts

the lie and face tim are out there for ternity

and it cannot ever be rescinded


Thank God for the off switch.

188 rawmuse  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:49:23pm

Typical Journalism majors. If they had any brains, they would be dangerous.

189 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:50:02pm

re: #188 rawmuse

They are dangerous, in their misleading of others.

190 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:50:18pm

re: #187 VegasRick

re: #181 ploome hineni


re: #163 VegasRick

re: #156 NY Nana

re: #137 EE
/What would the world do without the likes of the f*ing bitch, Christiane Imawhore?

I call her "Insiane Andawhore"

being a TV talking head is never having to say you're sorry
or give a damn about facts

the lie and face tim are out there for ternity

and it cannot ever be rescinded


Thank God for the off switch a steele toe boot and good aim

fixed

191 rawmuse  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:51:06pm

re: #189 Ojoe

re: #188 rawmuse

They are dangerous, in their misleading of others.

They are only dangerous to the Truly Dumb. Sadly, there are no shortages of those...

192 Sharku  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:51:47pm

"I wasnt smart enough to become a crash test dummy so I became a journalist"

193 theres_a_party_in_my_jinns_and_youre_invited  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:52:05pm

A thousand pardons for flogging the obvious (the obvious in this case would be a metaphorical 16-year old Muslim girl who flashed some ankle from under her bhurka) but aren't these the same people who are convinced that Evangelical Christians (Dominionists?) are conspiring to take over every level of government and begin a purge of atheists and homosexuals from the population once they're in power?

Christians = Scary
Shari'a court = Super spiffy and misunderstood

194 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:53:07pm

re: #191 rawmuse

W. Churchill said something to the effect that every society has very many silly people. I think he wrote that in "The Gathering Storm."

Gotta go get things done, I'm out of here.

195 mjazzguitar  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:53:21pm

re: #178 Wishbone

re: #33 MacDuff


For the first time in centuries, the sun is setting on the British flag. As the Brits were instrumental in creating the mess in which we currently find ourselves, perhaps there's a bit of poetic justice here, but it's still lamentable.

Mark Steyn continues to be right.


You know Mac, people like you never cease to amaze me. Just when I dare to believe that the morons whose intellectual laziness leads them to expound the crass notion that a singular or minority opinion is representative of the British ethos or character as a whole have all been freeze dried and packed away for scientific study at a later date, along comes another one who escaped processing.

I was going to ask in which way

the Brits were instrumental in creating the mess in which we currently find ourselves

but I didn't think he'd still be here.

196 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:53:25pm

re: #163 VegasRick

If you heard what I say in the privacy of my living room, and what I say re Shrillary? Actually it is far, far worse re Shrill. My Mum zt"l would have washed my mouth out with soap a zillion times, even though she would have felt the same way. My Mum was a very proper Bostonian.

/I taught Mandy everything she knows...or is it the other way round? ;)

197 Wishbone  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:54:27pm

re: #160 Stringart

The British public aren't too enamoured of Charles either mate, trust me on this. He usually comes to mind instantly when were looking to make a 'big ears' joke. No matter what's been said about Lady Diana Spencer, our public really did love her and the consensus opinion was that she was treated very shabbily by Charles, something the public has never really forgotten, or forgiven him for.

This leads us to young Prince William, his mother's son if anybody could be called such and this ranks him very highly in the nation's affections. It's William that we, as a nation, want to see inherit the throne from Her Majesty. Charlie we won't be so impressed with.

Of course, we'd probably have to keep a lid on the Orangemen for a little while in case they get too boisterous about having another King Billy on the throne, but they'd wander off home just as soon as the ale in the pubs ran out.

198 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:56:39pm

OT

What's your foot taste like, Shuster?

SEATTLE - A distasteful comment about Chelsea Clinton by an MSNBC anchor could imperil Hillary Rodham Clinton's participation in future presidential debates on the network, a Clinton spokesman said.

In a conference call with reporters, Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson on Friday excoriated MSNBC's David Shuster for suggesting the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" 27-year old Chelsea by having her place phone calls to celebrities and Democratic Party "superdelegates" on her mother's behalf.

SNIP

199 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 1:57:20pm

re: #174 Ojoe

I fear it is way too late.

And I wonder how much of the blame goes to that POS, Philip.

200 mjazzguitar  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:00:36pm

Thursday the AP wrote:

Hamas stepped up its rocket barrages at southern Israel for a second day, retaliating for an Israeli strike that killed seven of its police officers.

Leaving out of the equation the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza over 2 years ago and thousands of rockets have been fired from there since.

201 sparrowlake  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:00:54pm

re: #184 VegasRick

re: #169 Ojoe


re: #151 Straitcircle

Not a civil war, a battle, & as the primitives cannot field an army, float a navy or keep an air force in the air, it won't take very long.

A breaking point will be reached after some atrocity, I believe, & there will be some disorder; western governments will then assert their actual power; many people will be sent home; sneaky attacks will come from the islamic countries & then retaliation will be visited on those places, just enough to put them into chaos to the point that they cannot attack civilization across their borders. Then the west will sit back and watch; islam might find its reformer then, or it will fester to the point of attacking again, and will again be beaten back.

Repeated as necessary.

That's the most hopeful outcome I can think of, except for a total miracle where the islamic world suddenly by some means sees the sanctity of life and acts that way.


I agree with your 1st and 2nd paragraph. The last one - no way.

What about the fact that the Pakis already have nukes and Iran will also the way things are going? At this rate it's gonna be a mighty big battle with vast numbers of casualties unless they are taken down very soon.

202 Wishbone  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:01:18pm

re: #183 cookielady

Thanks for that mate.

I know I may seem a crank sometimes when the subject of Britain comes up and, don't get me wrong, we have accountable arseholes aplenty in this country when it comes to specific criticism and they bloody well ask for it, but I have to speak up to defend every Average Joe countryman of mine, of whom there are countless millions, that get lumped in with all this crap when the headline breaks.

203 lurknomore  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:02:15pm

I've had enough of the "BS palestinian plight" inflicted upon everyone and this bit of news should be the last straw for our government too!

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]


they are sickening beyond anyone's wildest imagination...

204 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:02:23pm

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
- Sir Winston Churchill -

205 Wishbone  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:03:23pm

re: #195 mjazzguitar

Oh I was just getting my ire out of the way first mate. That question was next up in the breach :-)

206 pegcity  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:12:54pm

re: #200 mjazzguitar

Thursday the AP wrote:


Hamas stepped up its rocket barrages at southern Israel for a second day, retaliating for an Israeli strike that killed seven of its police officers.

Leaving out of the equation the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza over 2 years ago and thousands of rockets have been fired from there since.


were those the same police officers in charge of throwing people off buildings, or burning down the greenhouses and synagogues.

207 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:13:51pm

re: #203 lurknomore

And the world refuses to see the truth.

Israel needs better PR, and first and foremost? Olmerde must go, along with his merry band of thieves...and this article rightfully compares him with Neville Chamberlain.

208 sparrowlake  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:16:40pm

re: #203 lurknomore

I've had enough of the "BS palestinian plight" inflicted upon everyone and this bit of news should be the last straw for our government too!

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]


they are sickening beyond anyone's wildest imagination...


For me the most sickening displays are those of the fat, old, ugly, ululating mothers who cheerfully send their children to their deaths and to murder Israeli mothers and children. Truly subhuman.

209 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:16:43pm

"Archbishop of Canterbury" Rowan Williams is no archbishop. True apostolic succession means that one is both physically linked to the Apostles by other apostolic bishops laying hands on one's head and praying as well as continuing in the teaching and belief of the Apostles. For a "bishop" to create or teach new and different teachings contrary to the teachings of the Apostles makes him (her?) one or more of these: an heretic, a schismatic, an apostate. The primary source for the Apostles' teaching is the Gospels and Epistles they wrote.

Of course the teaching of the Apostles is not some static monolith untouched by the eons—new nuances, elaborations and explanations may occur. However these must seamlessly fit with what the Apostles taught.

210 selpaw  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:20:10pm

Outrage and The Church of England

211 theres_a_party_in_my_jinns_and_youre_invited  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:24:14pm

re: #208 sparrowlake

re: #203 lurknomore


I've had enough of the "BS palestinian plight" inflicted upon everyone and this bit of news should be the last straw for our government too!

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]


they are sickening beyond anyone's wildest imagination...


For me the most sickening displays are those of the fat, old, ugly, ululating mothers who cheerfully send their children to their deaths and to murder Israeli mothers and children. Truly subhuman.

I remember- I think it was waaay back in 2000- one of the MSM magazines was interviewing this stern, bitter-looking old man who was saying something along the lines of "I would gladly sacrifice all of my grandchildren for a free Palestine!" and my first thought was But you aren't willing to sacrifice yourself?

I'm so sick of the Paleostinians being treated as though they have the monopoly on suffering in the world- especially when 98% (I'm being charitable) of their problems are self-inflicted.

212 Stringart  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #202 Wishbone

re: #183 cookielady

Thanks for that mate.

I know I may seem a crank sometimes when the subject of Britain comes up and, don't get me wrong, we have accountable arseholes aplenty in this country when it comes to specific criticism and they bloody well ask for it, but I have to speak up to defend every Average Joe countryman of mine, of whom there are countless millions, that get lumped in with all this crap when the headline breaks.

This is one of the reasons I stayed away from blogs, not just LGF, for the better part of a year. One Canadian jerk said or did something and the repetitive and mindless "Canada is f'ed" responses got to be too much. The actions or words of one person have never been representative of every single person in that country and for supposedly rational people to respond with "X is f'ed" or "they deserve it" is childish and completely unhelpful.

To those who make these kind of remarks:
It looks like there's a good chance a Dem is going to win the Presidency this fall. I will be polite enough to refrain from saying "you're f'ed" even though the idiocy of at least half of your countrymen will far outweigh the idiocy of a few of my countrymen.

213 Ahat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:30:45pm

re: #16 shibumi

It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates court

I can see the time and cost benefits of appendage chopping, but stoning? Everyone knows that stoning is a very time consuming activity.

But it's free educational entertainment for the public, particularly considering many of the poor families can't afford books for the kids.

214 selpaw  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:32:12pm

re: #211 theres_a_party_in_my_jinns_and_youre_invited

I'm so sick of the Paleostinians being treated as though they have the monopoly on suffering in the world- especially when 98% (I'm being charitable) of their problems are self-inflicted.

I'm so sick of those who falsely prop up and sanitize the Palestinians. After all, they only behave in a way to which they have been allowed, right? Having said that, the US has been one of their greatest supporters! Proof...

Otherwise, I wholly agree with you.

215 mjazzguitar  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:32:36pm

re: #213 Ahat

Some of the arab women in israel that the Israelis were teaching didn't even know how to hold a pencil.

216 spidly  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:35:01pm

we can send hin a gift pack from Steyn

217 theres_a_party_in_my_jinns_and_youre_invited  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:37:11pm

re: #214 selpaw

I was disappointed to see the various masked thugs (that are now no doubt 'policemen' in Gaza or West Bank) clutching M-16s in some news photos. Part of me was hoping that they were the Canadian, Dutch or Taiwanese copies, but I somehow knew they were American made and sent there whith the wholehearted approval of the US State Dept.

218 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:38:10pm

I just looked up Queen Elizabeth in my paper Britannica. I found this gem:

"In spite of opposition from her family and the government, she was trained in motor transport driving and maintenance in the Auxiliary Territorial Service late in World War II."

So there you go, driving trucks for the war effort, and working on engines, while still in her teens, even though her family wanted her not to.

This gal is tough, she is quite capable of doing some necessary firing of the Bishop and some speaking out IMHO.

219 Ahat  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:39:12pm

re: #215 mjazzguitar

re: #213 Ahat

Some of the arab women in israel that the Israelis were teaching didn't even know how to hold a pencil.

Well, what does a woman need a pencil for? You can't cook with it, you can't clean with it, you can't cover your body, face and hair with it and you most certainly can't beget children with it.

220 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:53:56pm

re: #218 Ojoe

Ojoe,

That was over 60 years ago...people change over the decades. That was indeed one of Britain's finest hours, but now? Look at the infectation of the cult of islam that goes on unabated.

HM Queen Elizabeth is now in her early 80's, and is only the titular head. Power rests with Parliament.

Philip's remarks cannot have failed to register with her, and make an impact. These are but some of them.

221 Render  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 2:55:21pm

re: #217 theres_a_party_in_my_jinns_and_youre_invited

Red China and Iran both make unlicensed copies of the M-16. Examples of the Iranian version of the M-16 have been recovered in Southern Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia.

Like the AK series assault rifles, it's almost impossible to tell who made what, where and when, without a close physical examination of the weapon in question.

Or really good close-up pictures.

CUTSHAW,
R

222 Cry of defiance and not of fear  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:03:10pm

The BBC received over 17,000 responses to Williams's idiotic remarks about Sharia Law accommodation in Britain; the Sun received 15,000 responses; every major (and minor) British newspaper is full of hundreds of readers' comments with nary a dhimmi in sight and as for this article in The Times, it was shot down by readers' comments as soon as it appeared. The Times, The Telegraph, Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror, Spectator, etc, all its readership are emphatic in denouncing Williams, Sharia law and are strongly urging cessation of Moslem immigration and rejection of all previous accommodation to Sharia (halal meat, polygamy, Sharia courts, trash bag apparel, 'faith schools', etc). I have always maintained that the British (and especially, the English) will not surrender and I think these comments reflect the real views of people. As I've said before, the disparity between the publics of various European countries and their leaders and the EU (the real fascist entity on the European continent) is enormous.

223 Kostya Lotz  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:04:22pm

Yo Martin!
What kind of cheaper quicker brand of Non-British justice dis "An alleged drug dealer lay on the ground on his stomach, his hands and legs bound together behind his back. Several wretched faces stared out from the dark interiors of cells with barred windows" get?
Maybe this? ([Link: www.tallrite.com...]

It is quicker and cheaper you know and that does make it better.
Nit wit TOOL.

224 Tigger2005  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:07:05pm

re: #119 gman

It reminds me of a moonbat colleague, who, upon coming back from a trip to China, said that the people were all so lovely and kind.

Never heard a word about the rampant squalor and government corruption.

Just imagine after the Olympics!

"Oh, the Chinese put on such a fantastic Games! Everything so clean and efficient! Such friendly, smiling people! China IS the future! So what if there were 500 public executions a day leading up to the games, and they resumed immediately thereafter!"

225 Tigger2005  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:16:49pm

re: #212 Stringart

re: #202 Wishbone

re: #183 cookielady

Thanks for that mate.

I know I may seem a crank sometimes when the subject of Britain comes up and, don't get me wrong, we have accountable arseholes aplenty in this country when it comes to specific criticism and they bloody well ask for it, but I have to speak up to defend every Average Joe countryman of mine, of whom there are countless millions, that get lumped in with all this crap when the headline breaks.

This is one of the reasons I stayed away from blogs, not just LGF, for the better part of a year. One Canadian jerk said or did something and the repetitive and mindless "Canada is f'ed" responses got to be too much. The actions or words of one person have never been representative of every single person in that country and for supposedly rational people to respond with "X is f'ed" or "they deserve it" is childish and completely unhelpful.

To those who make these kind of remarks:
It looks like there's a good chance a Dem is going to win the Presidency this fall. I will be polite enough to refrain from saying "you're f'ed" even though the idiocy of at least half of your countrymen will far outweigh the idiocy of a few of my countrymen.

I think our problem is that we're not experiencing anything like you're experiencing yet. Except for 9/11, Americans haven't seen the true face of Islam up close. Of course 9/11 should have been enough. But we've just felt so safe, so long, so many people just can't believe there is any real danger. And if there is, hey, we can fix it by talking and changing our behavior.

But things can turn around fast. After Vietnam, after Nixon and Watergate, Americans elected the idiot Jimmy Carter who promised "Change!" This was the beginning of the Reagan Revolution.

226 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:19:09pm

re: #220 NY Nana

Prince philip is boorish.

at least he said:

In 1983, after meeting then-San Francisco mayor Dianne Feinstein and several female supervisors, he remarked, "Aren't there any male officials?... This is a nanny city."

Ha ha!

227 flighterdoc  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:21:55pm

OJoe, I doubt Her Majesty would replace the Archduke. After all, HRH Prince Phillip of Saud thinks the arab world is just fine!

228 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:24:28pm

re: #227 flighterdoc

Well she did make a promise to stay with him when she married him, and it's no use following Henry the VIII's example for changing spouses; some things are best left back in history where they belong.

229 greggriffith  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:29:03pm
230 big L  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:32:34pm

oh bug off, Fletch...
prima facie proof for roatating staff on assignment in Muslim-lands:Stockholm sybndrome.

231 big L  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:34:21pm

222-cry...yeah they'll resist but first they haveto fight their own govt. I figure the UK is 5 yrs,or so head of us on the Islam train.

232 Stringart  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:37:51pm

re: #225 Tigger2005

Just for clarification, I'm Canadian and Wishbone is British.

Here in Canada, we've seen less than both the Americans and British - we've had no 9/11 or 7/7 - so far, touch wood, thank our lucky stars or good police work, whatever has kept us "safe" so far. I'm under no illusion that we're somehow luckier or less objectionable to the radicals than either the Americans or British are because we are a target, ObL has said so and we have radicals living among us who do wish us harm.

We're all targets, no matter what we do or don't do to accommodate and appease and I am simply trying to point out that mindless drivel is not going to help. We in the West who cherish our freedoms are on the same side and should help and support each other.

I know I'm going to screw up this quote beyond recognition, but here goes: We can stand apart and hang together or we can stand together and kick them back to the 7th century.

233 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:43:42pm

re: #226 Ojoe

In 1983, after meeting then-San Francisco mayor Dianne Feinstein and several female supervisors, he remarked, "Aren't there any male officials?... This is a nanny city."

And what would he say if he met Nancy Pelousy™? ;)

234 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:47:14pm

re: #203 lurknomore

I've had enough of the "BS palestinian plight" inflicted upon everyone and this bit of news should be the last straw for our government too!

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]


they are sickening beyond anyone's wildest imagination...

"LNM" -

Let them waste the ammunition - THE MORE THE BETTER!

-s-

235 Alas  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 3:51:30pm

The more nuts come out on either side of the issue, the better. It brings the questions out into the open, so that they are not hiding behind the taboos of politically correct unmentionables.

236 Stringart  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:06:04pm

#235 Alas

There are only nuts on one side of the sharia issue - the ones in favour. Being against sharia in the West is the furthest thing from a "nutty" position; it's completely sane.

I do agree with the rest of your post - the more these issues get into the public eye, the better.

237 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:16:33pm

re: #233 NY Nana

Nancy looks better in a soft light.

Poor dear.

"I don't look bad in the dusk with the light behind me."

(some personal ad I kind of remember)

238 Uncle Joe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:16:46pm

The general public, with its many flaws, has far outgrown big religion, big politics, big media - big institutions of every kind. We are in a strange age where the nitwit incompetence of all kinds of social institutions have left people left, right and center boiling with rage and disgust.

From the Archbishop of Canterbury to this latest imbecilic reporter to our Dem Congress to our RINO president, the vacuum of principled, intelligent leadership in the western world is astounding. I don't think it's an accident that most of the bunglers in positions of power are aging baby boomers applying their addle-brained "summer of love" confusion to the challenges of the 21st century. These overgrown teenagers have had their capacity for rational judgment so debilitated by moldy, hippy relativism that they can't take a solid principled stand on anything. "Whatever, man" is not a constructive, leadership philosophy for anything.

239 gman  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:16:55pm

re: #224 Tigger2005

re: #119 gman

It reminds me of a moonbat colleague, who, upon coming back from a trip to China, said that the people were all so lovely and kind.

Never heard a word about the rampant squalor and government corruption.

Just imagine after the Olympics!

"Oh, the Chinese put on such a fantastic Games! Everything so clean and efficient! Such friendly, smiling people! China IS the future! So what if there were 500 public executions a day leading up to the games, and they resumed immediately thereafter!"

I have friends in Germany (liberals of course. not too many conservatives there) that took a trip to Cuba. Again, the only words that they had to say were about the warmness of the people and the plentiful sun. Nothing about the dismal living conditions and the failure of communist policies under Castro. There was not a word of sympathy spoken for these Cubans. I think lefties like to go to these countries and wallow in the "collective" atmosphere until it's time to go back home to their lattes, laptops, and Lexus' (hybrid, of course). It's amazing what a guilty conscious will drive us to do.

240 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:17:33pm

re: #233 NY Nana

And who knows what Prince Philip would say.

241 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:20:30pm

re: #238 Uncle Joe

The general public, with its many flaws, has far outgrown big religion, big politics, big media - big institutions of every kind. We are in a strange age where the nitwit incompetence of all kinds of social institutions have left people left, right and center boiling with rage and disgust.

True enough in the West.

I spoke with a western gal who lives in Oman. She said the people there follow whatever their leader does.

In many parts of the world "Big" has yet to be left behind.

242 Alas  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:27:01pm

re: #236 Stringart

#235 Alas

There are only nuts on one side of the sharia issue - the ones in favour. Being against sharia in the West is the furthest thing from a "nutty" position; it's completely sane.

I do agree with the rest of your post - the more these issues get into the public eye, the better.

By nuts on the other side, I meant those a bit too right wing for the sensibilities of many. I know the arguments. I know the approbation. I do not support those who make statements that are too far right, but I think that the expression of exasperation keeps the questions still in focus, when most want to be like ostriches with their heads in the sand. Pim Fortuyn was considered extreme right in some circles yet did gain a great deal of popularity... He brought the articulated the issues, but despite his assassination by an animal rights activist, I wonder if the Dutch are willing to put down the space cakes and face facts. When the mainstream offers no viable right or left but homogenized bureaucratic offend-no-one-ism, the nuts on the right and the left at least keep the issue alive by making provocative statements to keep people from indulging in blissful denial.

243 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:31:18pm

Test new icon

244 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:34:45pm

How do you like them pineapples?™

Or would you rather see chartreuse bottles?

Or Dante?

245 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:38:12pm

re: #237 Ojoe

re: #233 NY Nana

Nancy looks better in a soft light.

Poor dear.

"I don't look bad in the dusk with the light behind me."

(some personal ad I kind of remember)

ROTFL! Hilarious!

246 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:42:56pm

re: #244 Ojoe

/Thanks a lot. It took me 2 days when you changed to the bottles avatar to see it, even with refreshing a zillion times, clearing my cache so often that I could hear it screaming in pain, going to IE, where I could see it, coming back to AOL, repeat, oy!..BBL...I am going to try again. If I am not back in oh, about an hour, please send out a search party.

It had better be worth it.

Hold all mail.;)

247 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:47:23pm

re: #244 Ojoe

I can hear you see it now!

248 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:49:12pm
249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 4:58:34pm
250 gwillie  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:09:43pm

re: #206 pegcity

were those the same police officers in charge of throwing people off buildings, or burning down the greenhouses and synagogues.


They were the one keeping onlookers a safe distance from the rocket launchers

251 Alas  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:10:34pm
But it is also blindingly obvious that the current state of Islam is quite different from that of Christianity. Western societies are hosts to large numbers of Muslims, who quarrel fiercely among themselves and include extreme, sometimes violent minorities. Goodness knows, the history of Christianity is scarred with such things, but at the moment, in the West, Christian violence is not a big problem. Muslim violence is. If we incorporated sharia in our legal system, whom would we accept as its authentic interpreters?

In his lecture, Archbishop Williams tiptoes round the question, in sharia, of apostasy. He says it is unacceptable that people are punished for leaving the Muslim faith. But he cannot bring himself to say, which he knows to be true, that all the Muslim schools of law agree that the punishment for abandoning the Muslim religion is death. Some people, even in this country, live in hiding because they fear this.

"Sharia," says Dr Williams, "is not intrinsically to do with any demand for Muslim domination over non-Muslims." Actually, under sharia, Jews and Christians have only what is called "dhimmi" status, a sort of protected, but second-class citizenship.

But in a way, he is right. Sharia does not "demand" domination; it assumes it. The law of Islam is radically different from the law of Judaism, which is the law of a minority that accepts the authority of the majority, non-Jewish state. Islam, like Christianity, is a religion of conversion. Its sharia, unlike the teachings of Christianity, is a programme of law to be turned into a political reality, if possible everywhere.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

252 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:12:06pm

re: #246 NY Nana

I think it works faster on a Mac. Charles uses a Mac. The bottles kept reappearing here too, until I cleared the cache. (on a Mac).

Maybe I will switch back to Dante.

253 troonbop  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:14:59pm

Actually any court will work that "efficiently' if you and the other party agree to give up all your rights and smile.

254 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:19:46pm

re: #252 Ojoe

I was actually able to see your avitar (37 F here...someone could freeze!) after one try!

My daughter and son in law love their Macs. I am a neo-Luddite.

255 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:20:57pm

re: #252 Ojoe

BTW, Pat will love your avitar! ;)

256 Pastorius  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:40:01pm

Well, then why don't we just institute Christian courts in his country, and we'll have Evangelical ministers serve as the judges. How's that?

257 Morganfrost  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 5:44:05pm

"You cannot hope to bribe or twist--
Thank God!-- the British journalist.
But seeing what the man will do
Unbribed, there's no occasion to."

I forget who wrote that, but it seems apt here.

258 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:01:12pm

re: #257 Morganfrost

That sounds like Ambrose Bierce.

259 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:03:40pm

re: #254 NY Nana

I'm in No. Calif, it is about 49 F. here. Today it is NOT raining. And there has been NO earthquake. And a local frog is going croak, croak.

260 krypto  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:04:37pm

So Sharia courts can settle a shouting match by telling both Muslims to stop acting like jerks.

Now let's see which hands, arms. and legs Martin Fletcher's favorite legal system leaves him with after some serious charges, like stealing a few dollars.

"It was quicker, cheaper and just as effective as a British magistrates’ court" - yeah, sure, back in the old days when they used to have people hanged, drawn, and quartered.

261 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:06:24pm

re: #257 Morganfrost

apparently someone named Humbert Wolfe wrote it.

262 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:09:00pm

Heheheh. Fletcher what a tool! A nytime someone has an experience with islamic law and comes away without bodily disfigurement or death .. I would suppose that it's fair.. or luck for that matter

263 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:16:40pm

re: #259 Ojoe

re: #254 NY Nana

I'm in No. Calif, it is about 49 F. here. Today it is NOT raining. And there has been NO earthquake. And a local frog is going croak, croak.

I have friends in the area, and also friends from Israel who will be there a few months. The husband works for an American company in Israel, and they sent them. Their daughter is 2 1/2, and fluent in English and Hebrew already!

No rain? No earthquake? Mazel tov!

/49F? Blame Albore.

264 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:21:07pm

I think it is 49 F due to the biggest heat sink on the planet, the Pacific Ocean.

What a glorious planet.

My family only knows English and Italian.

& pig latin

265 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:41:45pm

re: #264 Ojoe

Igpay Atinlay? ;)

I speak Spanish as a second language. I was an exchange student when I was in high school..1954.

My 7 year old granddaughter is in an excellent school system. She is in grade 2, and started learning Mandarin, Spanish and one other language, from grade 1 on. She is not fluent, but it is amazing what she has learned. The younger they start...

266 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:44:59pm

English to Pig Latin Translator

I'm out of here for now, Bye Nana & All

267 joan  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 6:59:31pm

Fatuous, smug little bastard

268 joan  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 7:12:06pm

re: #21 pegcity

i wonder if there gonna really like Shariah law when it becomes the law on the law in England around 2055

Oh, they're already lapping up regurgital Sharia Lite, and on the fast track to full capitulation. Long about 2013 it will be too late.

269 joan  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 7:22:54pm

#31 dorian gray good point.

These are not just useful idiots we're dealing with, you've hit the target dead on. These are capos.

270 joan  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 7:59:33pm

re: #91 Ojoe

Her Majesty The Queen
Buckingham Palace
London SW1A 1AA

Your Majesty,

The best of good wishes to you and the great United Kingdom. The long heritage of common law and the rule of law in the British society must never be adulterated, nor any English subject or resident subjected to a segregated system of justice, as the Archbishop of Canterbury has proclaimed.

Sharia law belongs in Sharia lands, not among freeborn people with a long and noble heritage of justice for all, equal before the same bar of justice. The Archbishop of Canterbury has impacted, negatively, clear across oceans. I live in a state in the U.S. with a very large minority of people who are also beginning to rumble about instituting their separate, their tribal, segregated system of laws. It must not be, it must not be advocated, it must be rejected out of hand. One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all is my country's promise to every person, of whatever creed or tribe. There must not be in our democracies separate systems of law, one for Sharia, soon another for a different sect, and incompatible nightmares of injustice will ensue.

My humble request is that the Archbishop of Canterbury be retired, to rest, and a person of sense placed before the world. Your Royal Highness, Queen of the Great British people, please consider the importance of words, which of all folk, the English understand in full. God Bless Your Majesty,

271 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 8:03:00pm

re: #270 joan

Fabulous. Thank you. I'll try and post mine here later tonight. Thanks again.

272 joan  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 8:10:40pm

re: #222 Cry of defiance and not of fear

Thank you for the encouraging report, fellow lizard.

273 docremulac  Sat, Feb 9, 2008 8:22:30pm

And like most useful idiots, just look at this guy. Words like "wimp", "looser" and "pussy" don't begin to describe him. Of course a pencil necked, shriveled up little toothpick armed, squeaking, pathetic pipsqueak, mouse of a man like this would like to buddy up with any group that would assign some kind of importance to him as long as he abandons justice, decency and humanity. That's what it's all about with these people. They know their wretched as individuals but think if they lick the boots of some mass movement they'll have meaning and worth.

But in the end, it's just a big group of losers wrecking the world because they're bitter about have nothing to offer as individuals.

274 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Feb 10, 2008 2:15:36am

Somehow, it'll be pretty hard to forget the beheadings when you can feel the cold blade against your neck.

275 Ojoe  Sun, Feb 10, 2008 8:07:43am

Her Majesty The Queen
Buckingham Palace
London SW1A 1AA

Your Majesty

I am writing to you upon your title of Defender of the Faith to respectfully ask you to remove your Bishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, from his post.

I believe that his remarks that Islamic Sharia law is “inevitable” in Britain amount to treason. Rowan Williams’ words are worse than the infamous words of Neville Chamberlain who spoke, in 1938, of peace, but did not speak of surrender.

For make no mistake, we will have to fight Islam until we defeat it, or join it, or become second class citizens, or worse, slaves under Sharia. For myself as a Christian I know what my response would be, under the Islamic law, when I should be commanded to pray five times a day to a ‘god’ which has a location: I would say no, and I suspect you also would say no. And these would be dangerous replies.

Bishop Williams’ words have made it more likely for many, that they would face such a choice.

I believe you would be doing your duty as Defender of the Faith, to dismiss this man, and replace him with someone who is actually a Christian.

Thank you for listening to an American, and God save you.

Sincerely

276 Lobosan5  Sun, Feb 10, 2008 9:59:50am

late arriving:
Islamic Justice...swift & Fair!
& THEY HAVE A CAR FER YA TOO,PAL!

277 RoyalCanadian  Sun, Feb 10, 2008 1:26:14pm

If this numb nuts saw a women being flogged for not fighting hard enough to protect her private parts because her private parts belong to a man and as such should be protected to the death - he would not get it.

If this numb nuts grew a pair of balls and said something bad about "the special religion" and got brought up before a early medieval court brimming with reason he might get it. But then gain, he might not.

278 eminencefront  Sun, Feb 10, 2008 5:07:56pm

I'm sure after the "court" rendered its decision, they all went out for a Coke and smile.

279 ex cathedra  Mon, Feb 11, 2008 6:19:24am

As if the settlement of marital disputes under Sharia is acceptable!


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