And you thought creating a State of Kosovo would bring 'peace in our time.'

Oh, brother.

Sense, where art thou?

Nowhere in today's world. :=(

We really shouldn't have gotten involved in the Kosovo nonsense - Kosovo was to Serbia what Virginia is to us - but I pity the Serbs if they try to come between our troops & the newly independent state of Kosovo.

Good for the serbs, we should be on their side

ummm....and this is somehow our fault? Someone please 'splain me?

Counterproductive to their cause - this will not make Kosovo rejoin Serbia.

Paging Killgore Trout...

re: #5 sheepdog

Good for the serbs, we should be on their side

I will never cheer on anyone, even if I agree with their gripes, attacking an American embassy.

They're just out for a bit of a romp. As CNN is reporting, these are football hooligans, so nothing to see here. Move along you lookyloos...

remember, the kosovans merely declared independance. I recall there was some conflict after we declared independance as the USA.

Well, I'm sad to say that I haven't been following this. Is Serbian independence a good thing or not?

re: #4 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We really shouldn't have gotten involved in the Kosovo nonsense - Kosovo was to Serbia what Virginia is to us - but I pity the Serbs if they try to come between our troops & the newly independent state of Kosovo.

Agreed. We should not have supported the break away, but you know we'll step in as "peacekeepers" again if the Serbs try to take it back.

WTF? Do we build embassies or bulls eyes?

I bet all this will stop when Obama is President.

/

No marshmallows?

Seems that the the Serb would have more traction with a bit more sophisticated approach. Stupid shitbirds have pushed things a bit too far.

"One protester climbed up to the first floor of the building, ripped the Stars and Stripes off its pole and briefly put up a Serbian flat in its place."
Yeah, we should support Serbia ok.
BTW - where were the US Marines who are assigned to protect every US Embassy?

Sorry y'all - this has to be my last post today - right wrist and forearm are killing me - and yes, I am right handed!

Did it really say a "Serbian flat"?

re: #12 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, I'm sad to say that I haven't been following this. Is Serbian independence a good thing or not?

Serbia has been independent since 1878. I would say that Kosovo independence is a bad thing, and really shouldn't have been our concern in the first place (President Clinton, I'm looking in your direction).

#9 beer drinking victory monkey.
Yes you are right to criticize me, I just know where kosovo Is heading.
but I am wrong for cheering them for trashing the US embassy.
perhaps they could trash some other embassy

The building is now on fire.

Why, yes. That is a large "KICK ME" poster on my back.

Don't we still have troops in the area? What about the marine contingent that guards the embassy?

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #4 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We
really shouldn't have gotten involved in the Kosovo nonsense - Kosovo
was to Serbia what Virginia is to us - but I pity the Serbs if they try
to come between our troops & the newly independent state of Kosovo.

Agreed.
We should not have supported the break away, but you know we'll step in
as "peacekeepers" again if the Serbs try to take it back.

We already are there as "peacekeepers." See how well it works?

re: #18 realwest

"One protester climbed up to the first floor of the building, ripped the Stars and Stripes off its pole and briefly put up a Serbian flat in its place."
Yeah, we should support Serbia ok.
BTW - where were the US Marines who are assigned to protect every US Embassy?

Sorry y'all - this has to be my last post today - right wrist and forearm are killing me - and yes, I am right handed!

What they meant to say is a protester tried to pull down the U.S. flag and a Marine knocked the Serbian flat on his ass.

re: #19 Dar ul Harb

Did it really say a "Serbian flat"?

Their apartments are really small.

Disgusting. Kosovo has become independent and we aught to fully support that move. Attacking a U.S. embassy isn't going to help anything.

"Is Serbian independence a good thing or not?"

According to Serbia, Kosovo is a part of their state, but many in Kosovo deem otherwise.

Didn't these folks start WW1. Well, maybe not them, but you know, sins of the fathers and all that jazz.

In Serbia there's no "good" side to pick, home of "black handish" Pan-serbian nationalism, and invading Islamist Albanians..... (almost all of the Albanians in Serbia are what we would call "illegal immigrants".)

re: #12 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, I'm sad to say that I haven't been following this. Is Serbian independence a good thing or not?

Serbian Independence is fine. What just happened is a portion of Serbia decided, hey "We're a independent state" and we said we were fine with it. Its a largely Muslim region, and the fears are it will lead to other Muslim regions declaring themselves as independent and forming a Muslim state in Europe.

Do we have an embassy in Berkley?

It's Bush's fault. He got us in this mess. Troops out NOW. Oh, what, Bush wasn't president? Well it's his fault anyway.
/codepinko

MSNBC is apologizing for and excusing this act.
60% unemployment and so on and so on.

re: #27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #19 Dar ul Harb

Did it really say a "Serbian flat"?

Their apartments are really small.

It's a new form of flagpole sitting.

Kosovo was part of Serbia for centuries...the Ethnic Albanian migration started recently. But, the Serbs have themselves to blame though...we could not sit there and let another round of ethnic cleansing take place. That was the direction it was headed for when Clinton sent in the troops. The hatred that both side hold towards each other is staggering. I can understand why they are upset though.

re: #21 sheepdog

#9 beer drinking victory monkey.
Yes you are right to criticize me, I just know where kosovo Is heading.
but I am wrong for cheering them for trashing the US embassy.
perhaps they could trash some other embassy

He is right to criticize you. You sound smug and happy, not resigned or wistful. You said "good for them" not knowing if any Marines or even innocent family members are in danger.

Clinton should have never involved us in that whole Balkans mess

re: #33 newsjunkie_ky,

Give them time. If this becomes a major flare-up, the Code Pinko L³eft will blame Bush for us being in the Balkans.

re: #28 Gusbenz

Disgusting. Kosovo has become independent and we aught to fully
support that move. Attacking a U.S. embassy isn't going to help
anything.

"Is Serbian independence a good thing or not?"

According to Serbia, Kosovo is a part of their state, but many in Kosovo deem otherwise.

No, we shouldn't fully support the creation of another muslim state in Europe, but that is the U.S. policy.

Back in 1861, some folks in Virginia (to continue my earlier analogy) felt that they weren't part of the United States & declared independence, and we acted accordingly, within our rights as a sovereign state. In 1999, when this whole nonsense started, we should have kept our nose out of it, but we didn't & now here we are.

I say we send Code Pinkers over there and let them have a Trash-off

Some 200 riot police finally arrived about half an hour later, beating and arresting some of the rioters and driving the rest away. Some protesters sat on the ground, bleeding.

The storming of the building came during a state-backed rally

Am I paranoid or did the Serbian government allow this?

BERKELEY (Reuters) - Scores of protesters broke into the U.S. embassy in Berkeley on Thursday and set some rooms on fire in protest at America’s independence.

Police were not protecting the building which had been closed and boarded up after rioters stoned it earlier in the week. Black smoke billowed out of the embassy.

Papers and chairs were thrown out of the windows, with doors wedged in the window frames and burning.

One protester climbed up to the first floor of the building, ripped the Stars and Stripes off its pole and briefly put up a Che flag in its place.

Some protesters jumped up and down on the embassy balcony, holding up a Che flag as the crowd below of about 1,000 people cheered them on, shouting “Viva la revolucion”.

re: #43 Shug

Very good.

re: #43 Shug,

US out of Berkeley now!

What Jerry Pournelle had to say about it yesterday:

I see we rushed to recognize Kosovo. Understand that Kosovo was majority Serbian in World War I, and there has never been a legal Albanian immigrant into Kosovo. Now the Albanians have declared Kosovo independent. Russia, whom we need as an ally in our engagement with China, and China, are standing together against our recognition of Kosovo.

When San Antonio, Texas, declares independence, what will happen? We do live in interesting times.

Also note if you stop by his site that he's got serious medical problems that have cropped up the past few weeks, please be supportive if you send him mail.
[Link: www.jerrypournelle.com...]

The new face of terrorism.

What's the difference between bombing an embassy and setting one on fire during a riot?

When you set an embassy on fire during a riot, the bleeding-hearts apologize to you.

Not good at all...

And I see that the Fox News poll is showing that Obama beats McCain...

Excellent news!

re: #47 Kailen

I don't know how happy I am that it is a funny joke.

OT but possibly thread worthy

Tampa air passenger caught with hollowed out book and box cutter also had copy of Quran and numerous other Islamic texts with him at the time of his arrest.

Serbs set fire to American flag.

When all else fails -- burn an American flag! The surefire all-purpose protest gesture, no matter what side you're on.

re: #43 Shug

I hear they're calling their little commune KOSovo.

re: #42 MandyManners

Some 200 riot police finally arrived about half an hour
later, beating and arresting some of the rioters and driving the rest
away. Some protesters sat on the ground, bleeding.The storming of the building came during a state-backed rally

Am I paranoid or did the Serbian government allow this?

Seeing how the building was unguarded by Serb police (I guess that there aren't Marines at every embassy?) & this happened during a state-backed rally, I think that's a possibility.

The Serbian gov't allowing this attack, not you being paranoid, that is.

CanadianGuy if you are out there; did Canada recognize Kosovo's independence?

Serbia now finds itself bordered by an 80% Muslim state called Kosovo. As a result, Serbia is now faced with becoming another Israel. And with Bosnia fast-Islamising with something like a 55% Muslim population, and Albania with its 70% Muslim population, Serbia can certainly see the crescent wrapping itself around it, and the Serbs are bound to feel uneasy. And we can be certain that they haven't forgotten who bombed them. This doesn't portend well for mid-21st century Europe, and these countries will almost certainly become Jihadist bases with the passage of time.

re: #45 Iron Fist

re: #43 Shug,

US out of Berkeley now!

You got it backwards, mate. Berkeley out of the U.S.!

re: #52 Dar ul Harb

re: #43 Shug

I hear they're calling their little commune KOSovo.

goood one.

No Blood for patchouli oil!

re: #46 Thanos

What Jerry Pournelle had to say about it yesterday:

I see we rushed to recognize Kosovo. Understand that Kosovo was majority Serbian in World War I, and there has never been a legal Albanian immigrant into Kosovo. Now the Albanians have declared Kosovo independent. Russia, whom we need as an ally in our engagement with China, and China, are standing together against our recognition of Kosovo.When San Antonio, Texas, declares independence, what will happen? We do live in interesting times.

Also note if you stop by his site that he's got serious medical problems that have cropped up the past few weeks, please be supportive if you send him mail.
[Link: www.jerrypournelle.com...]

How sad that he's been ill.
I have enjoyed every single thing he's either written alone or in conjunction with other writers.
Thanks for the head's up.
I'll go there now.

re: #51 zombie

Serbs set fire to American flag.

When all else fails -- burn an American flag! The surefire all-purpose protest gesture, no matter what side you're on.

/wondering if 1389 was in the crowd

re: #6 soccerdad

ummm....and this is somehow our fault? Someone please 'splain me?

Everything, everywhere, for all time, is our fault.

If we've had anything to do with the region, it was our interference. If we haven't had anything to do with a region, it is our abandonment that allows the evil to spread.

This includes all evil that occured prior to 1607, which is still America's fault for not creating itself yet in time to send help.

Ah, that time-honored tradition is upon us once again. The Balkan Triathlon: Shoot, Loot, and Scoot

re: #53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'll take it back. Apparently, the Serbian goverment is fighting the protestors with tear gas & riot police.

Quick - call in Code Pink to protect the asset. I'd hate to see us have any of those "child killers and death merchant" Marines go there.

/sarc off. Actually, if Code Pinko did show up up, they could ugly the "youths" (or is that yout?) right off the property!

re: #56 SpiritOf1683

Either you explained this before and I missed it, or I am total moron for not knowing what happened in 1683. But what happened in 1683?

They must've heard about the embassy's secret pudding cache.

/

buzzsawmonkey,

Setting fires is considered to be a warning sign for having experienced sexual abuse, I am told.

Or these people could be legitimately pissed because the United States is facilitating the dismemberment of their country.

Thank you so much for this fiasco, William Jefferson Clinton.

Staying out of the war in the former Yugoslavia would have been callous and inhumane. Hell it's the only thing that Clinton did as a president that I supported. Many on this site support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to fight islamo-fascism, but when it comes down to it we are trying to give them freedom and a better life. A life not mired in corruption and despair.

Sometimes you just need to separate people and an independent state is a good way to do it. Do you really think that the people in Kosovo would have been treated as equals by the Serbs, who just a couple of decades ago where attempting to kill them for their religion and ethnicity.

re: #50 DocDublU

OT but possibly thread worthy

Tampa air passenger caught with hollowed out book and box cutter also had copy of Quran and numerous other Islamic texts with him at the time of his arrest.

Um, where have I heard this before?

Ah yes... I remember it as though it was yesterday.

re: #64 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'll take it back. Apparently, the Serbian goverment is fighting the protestors with tear gas & riot police.

That doesn't mean that they didn't allow the attack in the first place. (I'm tired and jaded.)

re: #50 DocDublU

OT and previously thread worthy

Tampa air passenger caught with hollowed out book and box cutter also had copy of Quran and numerous other Islamic texts with him at the time of his arrest.

fixed

re: #67 rappmandu

They must've heard about the embassy's secret pudding cache.

/

LOL!

re: #49 chubby vegan

Sadly, it's not a joke. As far as I'm concerned, a vast majority of recent "riots" are nothing less than terrorist acts. They find a cause, whip up a frenzy, create a bunch of damage, burn a few embassies, and when the smoke clears, instead of having world agencies go after the ones responsible for attacking an embassy (or instigating the riot), the bleeding-hearts apologize to them, swallow the line about whatever offended them today, say it's all the fault of whatever offended them, or of the country who's embassies were burned, and the terrorists are free to start another riot somewhere else.

Danish cartoon riots. Flushed Koran riots. The riots in France. It's terrorism. No two ways about it. And they're allowed to get away from it on the excuse of "we were offended!"

New ad against berkeley idiots.

re: #67 rappmandu

They must've heard about the embassy's secret pudding cache.

/

uh oh.
We're next!

re: #66 chubby vegan

re: #56 SpiritOf1683

Either
you explained this before and I missed it, or I am total moron for not
knowing what happened in 1683. But what happened in 1683?

The Battle of Vienna, September 11, 1683. The furthest reach of the Ottoman Empire into Europe.

re: #74 Kailen

Yep.

re: #77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Forced to use those little footstools?

Somebody stick a mic in front of Putin.

re: #68 Dirk Diggler

buzzsawmonkey,

Setting fires is considered to be a warning sign for having experienced sexual abuse, I am told.

Or these people could be legitimately pissed because the United States is facilitating the dismemberment of their country.

Thank you so much for this fiasco, William Jefferson Clinton.

Carving out a muslim homeland worked out so well with Pakistan

/

re: #77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

September 11th?

re: #73 MandyManners

re: #67 rappmandu

They must've heard about the embassy's secret pudding cache.

/

LOL!

Pudding?

re: #79 chubby vegan

re: #77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Forced to use those little footstools?

"What is this, a whole empire based on putting your feet up?" - Jerry Seinfeld

re: #66 chubby vegan

re: #56 SpiritOf1683

Either you explained this before and I missed it, or I am total moron for not knowing what happened in 1683. But what happened in 1683?

Here's what happened in 1683:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Fire's out.

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #73 MandyManners

re: #67 rappmandu

They must've heard about the embassy's secret pudding cache.
/

LOL!

Pudding?

Wrestling, anyone?

"Until 1918 the Arabian peninsula was ruled by the Ottoman Empire, so called because it had the same amount of intelligence and energy as a footstool."
--P.J. O'Rourke

re: #83 MandyManners

The battle, which resulted in a crushing defeat for the Turks, took place on the 12th, so September 11th was the high-water mark of islamic expansion into the West. Interesting sidenote, the actress Leelee Sobieski is a direct descendant of the Polish king & victor of the Battle of Vienna, John Sobieski.

re: #87 godfrey

Fire's out.

I was expecting a picture, or at least more than one sentence. Ha ha.

On msnbc it looks like the police are arresting some of the Geico cavemen outside that embassy.

re: #86 SpiritOf1683

Thanks...Cliff Notes Version

July 14 - A 140,000-man Ottoman force arrives at Vienna in June and starts to besiege the city. The siege is broken at the Battle of Vienna on September 12 with the arrival of a force of 70,000 Polish, Austrians and Germans under Polish-Lithuanian king Jan III Sobieski, whose cavalry turns their flank. Considered to be the turning point in the Ottoman Empire's fortunes.

For those who read USA Today like me.

Cool Nickname

re: #80 song_and_dance_man

I thought Clinton fixed this.

He did. President Bush's misguided foreign policy, with an illegal occupation in Iraq led to a breakdown in ............blah blah blah

/ not at allbright

No doubt somewhere there's a furniture store with the name.

(Or there ought to be.)

Actually, I don't read the USA Today...great puzzle page though.

Serbian youts angry at Hollyweird portrayal of Serbs as terrorists in movies.

Perhaps vlaams beland published a cartoon of Milosevic

re: #5 sheepdog

Good for the serbs, we should be on their side

Absolutely. The NATO bombing of Belgrade was a war crime in every sense. I cannot fault the Serbian people for their actions. We have no business helping the vicious Albanians (who once proudly wore the Nazi uniform) create an independent state of Kosovo by stealing land (which they have no long-standing historical claim to) from Serbia.

By and large we are both a moral and generous nation, and our foreign policy usually reflects this. There are few people in the world who have a legitimate reason to hate the United States for totally inappropriate actions taken against them. But the Serbs qualify.

benand = belang

PIMF

This event will only be seen as further evidence by the 'blame America first' wing of the Democrat party of the need for a relative unknown with little, if any, foreign policy experience to be our next President.
Joe Btfsplk will become a household name, once again.

Does Balkanization beckon anew?

On Sunday, Kosovo declared independence and was recognized by the European Union and President Bush. But this is not the end of the story. It is only the preface to a new history of the Balkans, a region that has known too much history.

By intervening in a civil war to aid the secession of an ancient province, to create a new nation that has never before existed and, to erect it along ethnic, religious and tribal lines, we have established a dangerous precedent. Muslim and Albanian extremists are already talking of a Greater Albania, consisting of Albania, Kosovo and the Albanian-Muslim sectors of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.

If these Albanian minorities should demand the right to secede and join their kinsmen in Kosovo, on what grounds would we oppose them? The inviolability of borders? What if the Serb majority in the Mitrovica region of northern Kosovo, who reject Albanian rule, secede and call on their kinsmen in Serbia to protect them?

Sofa King Krazy's Ottoman Empire

You know, who would give a crap if they attached the Korean embassy. I guess it makes sense. Not a shot at Korea, just a statement of our country's prominence.

Obama, care to show your foreign policy chops and take Hillary to task over this? She was co-president when this whole Balkan thing took place.

re: #90 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Leelee Sobieski

re: #36 Desert Dog

Kosovo was part of Serbia for centuries...the Ethnic Albanian migration started recently. But, the Serbs have themselves to blame though...we could not sit there and let another round of ethnic cleansing take place. That was the direction it was headed for when Clinton sent in the troops. The hatred that both side hold towards each other is staggering. I can understand why they are upset though.

The "ethnic cleansing" was a bullshit myth. The only dead Albainians were victims of a civil war that they started. It's no different than claims of "genocide" from the Paleostinians.

These folks put certain Southerners' attitude of "fergit, hell" to shame.

Damn these Euro-nationalists and their teeney little countries with their ancient grudges and ethnic hatreds!

re: #108 Lizard by the Bay

re: #36 Desert Dog

Kosovo was part of Serbia for centuries...the Ethnic Albanian migration started recently. But, the Serbs have themselves to blame though...we could not sit there and let another round of ethnic cleansing take place. That was the direction it was headed for when Clinton sent in the troops. The hatred that both side hold towards each other is staggering. I can understand why they are upset though.

The "ethnic cleansing" was a bullshit myth. The only dead Albainians were victims of a civil war that they started. It's no different than claims of "genocide" from the Paleostinians.

Meanwhile, in Darfur...

re: #106 MandyManners

I always thought she was a cutie pie. Movies only so-so tho Lee-Lee.

re: #56 SpiritOf1683

Serbia now finds itself bordered by an 80% Muslim state called Kosovo. As a result, Serbia is now faced with becoming another Israel. And with Bosnia fast-Islamising with something like a 55% Muslim population, and Albania with its 70% Muslim population, Serbia can certainly see the crescent wrapping itself around it, and the Serbs are bound to feel uneasy. And we can be certain that they haven't forgotten who bombed them. This doesn't portend well for mid-21st century Europe, and these countries will almost certainly become Jihadist bases with the passage of time.

well, this is a bleak scenario. frightening to think abt how it will unfold.

The Serbs may have a legitimate beef with the US, but their efforts are wasted in lashing out at us. Defend what remains of your lands, folks.

I'm not sure why America jumped so very quickly to support the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo. I am happy if this emboldens Georgia, and Taiwan, Basque nation (not so much Quebec) because it sticks a finger in the eye of Putin, Jintao and Zapatero. Just my opinion.

re: #112 chubby vegan

re: #106 MandyManners

I always thought she was a cutie pie. Movies only so-so tho Lee-Lee.

I've actually liked her as an actress - Glass House was surprisingly good, and she was good in Eyes Wide Shut.

V for Vendetta
B for Balkans

same difference

re: #83 MandyManners

re: #77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

September 11th?

That is what is symbolic about that date. And we could hardly forget what happened on the 318th anniversary of that date - although millions of nutroots seem to have forgotten what happened only seven years ago, whilst 99% of our population have never heard of the Sieges and Battles of Vienna in 1529 and 1683, because history has become a taboo subject in our educational institutions out of political correctness, and have not twigged on that Osama bin Laden used the anniversary of the end of the Second Great Jihad against the West to mark the start the third and final Jihad, which will end with our victory or our enslavement.

And here is what Hilaire Belloc wrote about September 11th 1683 in his book "The Great Heresies" in 1938:

“It has always seemed to me possible, and even probable, that there would be a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent.”

“The suggestion that Islam may re-arise sounds fantastic – but this is only because men are always powerfully affected by the immediate past: – one might say that they are blinded by it....”
“But not so very long ago, less than a hundred years before the Declaration of Independence.... Vienna was almost taken and only saved by the Christian army under the command of the King of Poland on a date that ought to be among the most famous in history: September 11th, 1683.”

And he also wrote this foreboding passage in that same book:

Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans -- still nominally Christian -- and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam.

In other words, he saw what was coming 70 years ago. Pity our own leaders and populations are too blind to see what is coming 70 years after Hilaire Belloc wrote that book.

Well the US, UK, France, Germany, etc fucked the Serbs, so.......

Let's bomb the Chinese Embassy again

re: #118 SpiritOf1683

Gosh you're smart.

Hostage Crisis Vol. II?

Shug,

You're out of sarc tags, here: /

re: #123 song_and_dance_man

Anybody else noticing LGF being a bit slow right now?

Yes....quite slow.

Unemployment down to 4.9%.

What kind of change does obama want?

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

Unemployment down to 4.9%.

What kind of change does obama want?

As much as he and his cronies can carry away.

re: #118 SpiritOf1683

A very wise and insightful man.

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

Unemployment down to 4.9%.

What kind of change does obama want?

If you weren't old enough to remember the economy of the Carter era, you're in luck. You will be able to experience it first-hand under Obama.

re: #114 Silhouette

The Serbs may have a legitimate beef with the US, but their efforts are wasted in lashing out at us. Defend what remains of your lands, folks.

Unfortunately, the Serbs have spent the last 41 years watching us hold back the Isreaelis time and time again, just when they seemed to be on the verge of utterly destroying their Islamist enemies.

Some 200 riot police finally arrived about half an hour
later...

Was that because the rioters began to turn their focus to buildings other than the U.S. Embassy?
"People, your loot and burn permit includes only one property, and does not extend pillaging permission to neighboring properties. You must re-apply for an updated permit."

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

Unemployment down to 4.9%.

What kind of change does obama want?

That means potentially 95.1% of the population is not fully dependent on the nanny state.

Cant have that now, can we?

Chenge!

i supported the Serbs till they burned our embassy

i would have supported a peaceful demo. but this is an attack on America

re: #123 song_and_dance_man

Anybody else noticing LGF being a bit slow right now?

this could be the reason

my gut feeling is to support the serbs. i wish they would stop acting like rioting jihadis, tho.

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

Unemployment down to 4.9%.

What kind of change does obama want?

He wants to restore the US to the pride of the Carter years.

He'll make us yearn for the US during the cotter years.

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

re: #131 Lizard by the Bay

Heh. Great minds think alike.

Just love the "Chenge" tag.

"His Vaguesness want's Chenge!"

re: #135 yochanan

gmta. lol

re: #12 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, I'm sad to say that I haven't been following this. Is Serbian independence a good thing or not?

It's Kosovo that has declared its independence. How would you feel if Arizona was taken over by an ethnic group, cleansed the prior ethnic group, declared independence from the US and was recognized by world leaders?

The average unemployment from 1950-1990 was 5.8%.

- perspective

re: #140 chubby vegan
Dammit
"is Vagueness wants Chenge!"

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

re: #131 Lizard by the Bay

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

Unemployment down to 4.9%.

What kind of change does obama want?

If you weren't old enough to remember the economy of the Carter era, you're in luck. You will be able to experience it first-hand under Obama.

Oh, I am. And that is what obama wants and what we will get if this left wing liberal POS gets elected.
The change he wants is high unemployment, hight interest rates, high inflation rates, gas lines.
I get so sick of the msm (and people in general) talking down the economy. Of course the msm says "UNEXPECTANTLY" the unemployment rate is down.
democrats are so fricking clueless that they will vote in this sob and we'll end up like the 70s only worse.
/rant off.

re: #135 yochanan

i supported the Serbs till they burned our embassy

i would have supported a peaceful demo. but this is an attack on America

Two millions peaceful praying protesters vs a couple of hundred hooligans...
I still support the Serbs !

re: #145 chubby vegan

I quit. Bye kids. See you tonight.

re: #136 Shug

re: #123 song_and_dance_man

Anybody else noticing LGF being a bit slow right now?

this could be the reason

I bet it's this.

re: #108 Lizard by the Bay

re: #36 Desert Dog

Kosovo was part of Serbia for centuries...the Ethnic Albanian migration started recently. But, the Serbs have themselves to blame though...we could not sit there and let another round of ethnic cleansing take place. That was the direction it was headed for when Clinton sent in the troops. The hatred that both side hold towards each other is staggering. I can understand why they are upset though.

The "ethnic cleansing" was a bullshit myth. The only dead Albainians were victims of a civil war that they started. It's no different than claims of "genocide" from the Paleostinians.

Milosovec was not a myth, neither are the skeletons they continue to dig up, neither is the footage of Serbian forces shelling things indiscriminately (no, not like the Israelis or US, who have a target in mind, I watched the news footage of the Serbs shelling farms, villages and apartments without aim or purpose, I lived through the 90's in other words.)

Serbs didn't start WWI either, that was all a myth...
I

re: #143 Russkilitlover

That's probably a spot on and fair assessment. This region has been a mess for a long time. Hope things get contained and quickly. Lots of bad potential here. Like watching a new Chechnya being born.

re: #28 Gusbenz

According to Serbia, Kosovo is a part of their state, but many in Kosovo deem otherwise.

Only the ethnic Albanians think that. The Serb population just thought the've been living in another county of their country.

.................................................S erbs.............Kosovar........

Milosevic.....................................X... ...................................
Carry American flags.........................................X... .............
Burn American Embassy..............X............................ .........

I'm starting to lean toward the Kosovar...

re: #148 chubby vegan

re: #145 chubby vegan

I quit. Bye kids. See you tonight.

Vaya con cambio!

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama has beaten the Clintons, does that mean the Democrats are putting the Carter before the whores?

Good one!

Serbs, you are screwing up. To someone like me that was on the fence and truly didn't necessarily back Bush on this, your fire setting and damaging our Embassy may push fence sitters to the side against you. Not good for you.re: #5 sheepdog

Serbs, you are screwing up. To someone like me that was on the fence and truly didn't necessarily back Bush on this, your fire setting and damaging our Embassy may push fence sitters to the side against you. Not good for you.Serbs, you are screwing up. To someone like me that was on the fence and truly didn't necessarily back Bush on this, your fire setting and damaging our Embassy may push fence sitters to the side against you. Not good for you.

re: #154 Cognito

........................................ .........Serbs.............Kosovar...... ..

Milosevic............................... ......X................................. .....
Carry American flags................................... ......X................
Burn American Embassy..............X.................. ...................

I'm starting to lean toward the Kosovar...

Put burning and looting Orthodox Churches in the Kosovar column, both sides of this equation are tribal nationalists -- it's the hutus vs. the tutsis in Europe.

re: #136 Shug

re: #123 song_and_dance_man

Anybody else noticing LGF being a bit slow right now?

this could be the reason

Or maybe stinky got to going too fast, and fell off his wheel...

re: #158 Highrise

er, how on earth did that get all messed up?

OY!

Serbs, you are screwing up. To someone like me that was on the fence and truly didn't necessarily back Bush on this, your fire setting and damaging our Embassy may push fence sitters to the side against you. Not good for you.Serbs, you are screwing up. To someone like me that was on the fence and truly didn't necessarily back Bush on this, your fire setting and damaging our Embassy may push fence sitters to the side against you. Not good for you.

re: #154 Cognito

........................................ .........Serbs.............Kosovar...... ..

Milosevic............................... ......X................................. .....
Carry American flags................................... ......X................
Burn American Embassy..............X.................. ...................

I'm starting to lean toward the Kosovar...

And how long before the Kosovars start burning American flags?

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

lol

EU politicians accused of 'massive' fraud

Troubles all 'round!

re: #162 SpiritOf1683

The week is young, the week is young.

re: #5 sheepdog

What an asinine thing to say.

i remember what happened during WW2 were the Croats and Muslims supported the Nazis and the Serbs didn't we Jews were in the same death camp run by the utashi. but they crossed the line when they attacked the embassy, attacking an embassy is the same thing as attacking our country. If the Serbian gov't arrests the attackers I will be satisfied if they do nothing F''' UM. I am not all the fond of Europe all together.

re: #154 Cognito

I'm starting to lean toward the Kosovar...

Hardly surprising.

Do not agree with the "youths" burning the embassy.
Do not agree with the U.S. supporting this land grab.
Should we keep an eye on East L.A.? It's the same thing.

re: #160 gop_patriot

re: #136 Shug

re: #123 song_and_dance_man

Anybody else noticing LGF being a bit slow right now?

this could be the reason

Or maybe stinky got to going too fast, and fell off his wheel...

I'm so dizzy I think I'm gonna' puke.

Some woman saying she is a liberal and saying obama is like American Idol.

No matter which side of this issue you fall on - whether you think the Kosavars deserved recognition or that the Serbians got screwed - the fact that these Serbians decided to torch the US embassy in Belgrade shows that the Serbs are not worthy of my support.

You simply don't go torching that which does not belong - the US Embassy. You don't make a case for the US supporting your cause when you destroy the very visible property of the United States people.

It's not the best way to influence people and make friends - it does precisely the opposite.

The Serbs did themselves a great disservice by torching the embassy, and it further seals the deal for the Administration that they've been carrying on the correct policy (started by Clinton) to support the Kosavars (that you're pissing off the right people).

re: #171 newsjunkie_ky

no surprises there, eh?

Can't blame them for hating Amarica. Clinton bombed them and gave drug-dealing Al Qaeda trained KLA a head start, 200,000 serbs were displaced from their homes during NATO rule, thousands murdered.

re: #171 newsjunkie_ky

Some woman saying she is a liberal and saying obama is like American Idol.

doh! on Rush's show.

I don't blame the Serb's and I stand behind Russia on this one. What if the UN declared Southern California to be part of Mexico? We would be rioting also.

The peaceful Albanian Muslims have burned down many Christian Orthodox churches and have shown themselves to be typical Muslims.

The POS Clinton and Madeline Albright should be tried as a WAR CRIMINALS for the bombing of the Serb's, who were our friends in WW II and never forget that the Muslims (Croatians) wore Nazi uniforms.

The EU is about to get a bloody nose. Russia won't back down because the Serb's are their brothers and I don't blame them.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

There usually is a SMALL contingent of U.S. Marines at each embassy for security - the Marine Security Guards or MSGs. Generally a squad or less.

Generally speaking, MSGs are more concerned with safeguarding classified data. They usually aren't the ones patrolling the grounds day in and day out, but you can always find one at "post one" - the entrance to the chancery. Local police and private security are used for the exterior of the embassy.

It's also of note that MSGs are under civilian command - the ambassador.

Here, the damage appears minor enough and the response from Serb forces quick enough (it sure could've been quicker...) to not require the MSGs to open up on the rioters. The MSGs are a LAST line of defense, if an embassy is getting overrun - not out on the front line. It helps that civilian personnel were largely absent from the embassy.

As a side note, I've never been in the military and only did an internship at a U.S. Embassy - but God bless the Marines. There is nothing in this world like walking into your office and seeing a United States Marine at the door - you KNOW that nothing is getting through that man so long as he has breath in his body.

re: #17 gymnast

Seems that the the Serb would have more traction with a bit more sophisticated approach. Stupid shitbirds have pushed things a bit too far.

And it's all about guiding them toward the tastiest level of finesse in order for them to have maximum traction....

I spoke

[Link: kejda.net...]

re: #175 newsjunkie_ky

Rush's "Nickel and Dime Store"

re: #171 newsjunkie_ky

Some woman saying she is a liberal and saying obama is like American Idol.

Most of those who are fawning over Obama can tell you more about American Idol contestants that Obama himself.

re: #159 Thanos

re: #154 Cognito

........................................ .........Serbs.............Kosovar...... ..

Milosevic............................... ......X................................. .....
Carry American flags................................... ......X................
Burn American Embassy..............X.................. ...................

I'm starting to lean toward the Kosovar...

Put burning and looting Orthodox Churches in the Kosovar column, both sides of this equation are tribal nationalists -- it's the hutus vs. the tutsis in Europe.

Except in this case they each have their own respective countries: the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have, well, Albania and the Serbs have Kosovo, their province of Serbia.

re: #150 Thanos

Milosovec was not a myth, neither are the skeletons they continue to dig up, neither is the footage of Serbian forces shelling things indiscriminately (no, not like the Israelis or US, who have a target in mind

You are correct. We were scammed into that war by liars, but it is a huge stretch to call it a myth. It's like saying "The Treaty of Versaille was so harsh (it was) that we almost made the Germans follow Hitler" (we didn't).

re: #171 newsjunkie_ky

Some woman saying she is a liberal and saying obama is like American Idol.

he reminds me of sanjaya

no talent
lots of mystery votes

Serbia may be the anti-Israel. They are both the target of islamic expansion, but where Israel goes out of its way to behave with utmost humanity (leaving many of us banging our heads against the wall when we read about Israel providing power, water, food, money, and even weapons to those trying to kill her), Serbia seems to have fought in a manner equally as evil at times as those trying to destroy it used.

re: #30 Thanos

By what standards?

re: #181 musicman

PIMF! that = than

Some lizards need to put themselves in Serb shoes for a minute. These people had their ancient, beautiful city precision bombed because an American president needed cover for his oval office blow-jobs! Over a dozen died, despite liberals' claims that "when Clinton lied, no one died" and "it was just about sex".

When you realize that the stone bridges crossing the Danube that had stood for centuries and which you would cross as a child had to be destroyed because some American couldn't keep it in his pants and decided to wag the dog, you might just burn an American flag or two, too.

I am reminded of the movie "Unforgiven" directed by Clint Eastwood. There are no good guys to root for in this mess.

re: #178 JustAVoter

There usually is a SMALL contingent of U.S. Marines at each embassy for security - the Marine Security Guards or MSGs. Generally a squad or less.

Generally speaking, MSGs are more concerned with safeguarding classified data. They usually aren't the ones patrolling the grounds day in and day out, but you can always find one at "post one" - the entrance to the chancery. Local police and private security are used for the exterior of the embassy.

It's also of note that MSGs are under civilian command - the ambassador.

Here, the damage appears minor enough and the response from Serb forces quick enough (it sure could've been quicker...) to not require the MSGs to open up on the rioters. The MSGs are a LAST line of defense, if an embassy is getting overrun - not out on the front line. It helps that civilian personnel were largely absent from the embassy.

As a side note, I've never been in the military and only did an internship at a U.S. Embassy - but God bless the Marines. There is nothing in this world like walking into your office and seeing a United States Marine at the door - you KNOW that nothing is getting through that man so long as he has breath in his body.

Yes, they are professionals, they are there to protect the lives of the staff, and the integrity of the data. They are not there to protect the property by shooting intruders. That would invoke the response the embassey burners wanted. I suspect the Americans were prepared for this to happen.

Downside: Decent, law-abiding Serbs will have a harder time getting visas and other services from our embassy for a while.

Upside: Psychotic Serbs will have a harder time getting visas and other services from our embassy for a while.

Glad none of our staff was hurt. I hope the Serbian embassy in DC flies their flag and Old Glory together in protest of this despicable violation.

re: #121 Shug

Let's bomb the Chinese Embassy again

LOL!

i have no intention of supporting another Muslim state. But no one has clean hands in the Balkans. The Serbs learned very well from the Bosnian and Croatian Nazis during WW2 sadly they learned too well. But no one was clean in the break up of Yugoslav except for maybe the Slovenes. But they were the only country that was mainly only one ethnic group. Ethnic cleansing and war crimes were commited by all the combatants in this war.

re: #185 Silhouette

Serbia may be the anti-Israel. They are both the target of islamic expansion, but where Israel goes out of its way to behave with utmost humanity (leaving many of us banging our heads against the wall when we read about Israel providing power, water, food, money, and even weapons to those trying to kill her), Serbia seems to have fought in a manner equally as evil at times as those trying to destroy it used.

I do not get part of the analogy. How is Serbia the target of Islamist expansion? There have been a good number of former Yugoslavic republics that wanted to secede from Serbia/Yugoslavia, and most of them were not Islamic at all. May I remind you that this conflict between the Albanians and the Serbs has been going on long before the conversion of the first Albanian to Islam?

Where did those Muslim Nazis come from?

re: #185 Silhouette

Serbia may be the anti-Israel. They are both the target of islamic expansion, but where Israel goes out of its way to behave with utmost humanity (leaving many of us banging our heads against the wall when we read about Israel providing power, water, food, money, and even weapons to those trying to kill her), Serbia seems to have fought in a manner equally as evil at times as those trying to destroy it used.

Here's my interpretation of that: Serbia is Israel with balls.

Feel free to disagree.

Reports are saying now that it was the consular section of the embassy.

The consular section is much more public than the "chancery" - the physical facilities where other duties of an embassy are carried out.

As such, the MSGs were probably right to let the consular section take a few hits. It likely contains very little in the way of classified goodies - the main thing the MSGs have to worry about.

(If an ACTUAL state department employee wants to correct me, then please do - as stated above, my experience is limited to an internship, so I could well be wrong)

re: #62 Silhouette

Should we just name it the ron paul excuse doctrine? hehe

That is what I think of when one seems to excuse or explain away violence against the USA just because we did something at one time. Yeah..anarchy rules! /not

re: #181 musicman

re: #171 newsjunkie_ky

Some woman saying she is a liberal and saying obama is like American Idol.

Most of those who are fawning over Obama can tell you more about American Idol contestants that Obama himself.

You are right. And like AI, obama will be chosen not because he is the right talent (candidate) but because he has the judges (msm) behind him and tone deaf listeners (obamanites) voting for him.

Eagleburger said on fox interview he thoght the thing to do was stand back. ( on kosovo ). I agree, This incident could easily be inspired by Putin. Or, proxy war.

re: #186 medaura18586

re: #30 Thanos

By what standards?

Since I am speaking for myself, by my standards.

I never thought I would say that... We should have let the Serbs deal with the Kosovar Albanians...

re: #184 Shug

re: #171 newsjunkie_ky

Some woman saying she is a liberal and saying obama is like American Idol.

he reminds me of sanjaya

no talent
lots of mystery votes

LOL!

re: #179 medaura18586
Was wondering about your opinion on Sunday......am going to your blog now. Thanks,

In August 2000 the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) announced that it had exhumed 2,788 bodies in Kosovo. Earlier however, KFOR sources told Agence France Presse that of the 2,150 bodies that had been discovered up until July 1999, about 850 were thought to be victims of war crimes.

According to a Serbian government report, from January 1 1998 to June 10 1999 the KLA killed 988 people and kidnapped 287. This comprised both civilians and security force personnel.

Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians.

It really looks like Clinton and NATO were the real war criminals there, more so than KLA and Milosevic put together.

re: #182 Russkilitlover

Put burning and looting Orthodox Churches in the Kosovar column, both sides of this equation are tribal nationalists -- it's the hutus vs. the tutsis in Europe.

Except in this case they each have their own respective countries: the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have, well, Albania and the Serbs have Kosovo, their province of Serbia.

You got it right !

re: #193 yochanan

i have no intention of supporting another Muslim state. But no one has clean hands in the Balkans. The Serbs learned very well from the Bosnian and Croatian Nazis during WW2 sadly they learned too well. But no one was clean in the break up of Yugoslav except for maybe the Slovenes. But they were the only country that was mainly only one ethnic group. Ethnic cleansing and war crimes were commited by all the combatants in this war.

Amen. I am reminded of Mercutio.

re: #188 Lizard by the Bay

These people had their ancient, beautiful city precision bombed because an American president needed cover for his oval office blow-jobs

Just because Clinton was an anti-military POS, you make it sound like all the Serbs were picking daisies until we bombed them out of a clear blue sky. They were savagely at each other's throats.

re: #32 chubby vegan

Do we have an embassy in Berkley?

Lucky I didn't have a mouth full of coffee reading this one. LOL

re: #174 Jfundie

Ditto that. The Serbs were good allies of the US in WWII and the fact that the Clintons stabbed them in the back is still a sore point with them. I notice that our Muslim pals there have not exactly been bending over backward with gratitude.

Nonetheless, burning the embassy was a big mistake, and may be the final tear in the fabric.

re: #205 Jfundie

In August 2000 the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) announced that it had exhumed 2,788 bodies in Kosovo. Earlier however, KFOR sources told Agence France Presse that of the 2,150 bodies that had been discovered up until July 1999, about 850 were thought to be victims of war crimes. According to a Serbian government report, from January 1 1998 to June 10 1999 the KLA killed 988 people and kidnapped 287. This comprised both civilians and security force personnel.

Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians.

It really looks like Clinton and NATO were the real war criminals there, more so than KLA and Milosevic put together.

That's from Wikipedia if anybody wonders about the source.

Uhh, there is no way I'm going to put myself in their shoes to understand this "response" towards the USA. That is what ron paul likes to do when he tries to explain why people hate us and it got him laughed at. They don't have to respond by doing damage to Amercian symbols or killing Americans (as in 9/11) .

Yes, I wish the USA would have stayed out of it but Burning our embassy is just ludicrous and at this point, the serbs are sending the wrong message to anyone who may have argued with Bush to not staunchly back kosovo.

re: #189 Racer X

re: #189 Racer X

I am reminded of the movie "Unforgiven" directed by Clint Eastwood. There are no good guys to root for in this mess.

Unfortunately you are missing the Kosovo Serbs who were kicked out of their homeland because an allien population multiplied more rapidly. The U.S. and the spineless Europeans gave in to the demands of thugs.
Milosevic made some horrible mistakes but he's got his rewards. The Serbs of Kosovo got screwed in broad daylight.

Resolution 1244 (Kosovo) can be downloaded here in .PDF format

Did you see the two guys mooning the other side? Heh
FNC couldn't end that transmission soon enough.

re: #212 ploome hineni

Wesley CLark, discussing Kosovo on FOX

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh

Very Happy that I am not watching that, thanks for the warning to stay away from Fox news today.

re: #212 ploome hineni

Wesley CLark, discussing Kosovo on FOX

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh

That man is creepy.

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

We've given them their Sudatenland. How very special. Surely now the Mohammedans will be appeased. There will be peas in our thyme.

re: #188 Lizard by the Bay

When you talk about Serbs, this is the kind of psyco you're talking about
ARKAN

re: #180 boazhorribilis

re: #175 newsjunkie_ky

Rush's "Nickel and Dime Store"

I agree that Limbaugh's show is half commercials, but, eeegads he's had an immense effect over the last twenty+ years. Rush reaches millions every day.

Scores of protesters broke into the U.S. embassy in Belgrade on Thursday and set some rooms on fire in protest at Kosovo’s independence.

Well, Jebus, what the frick did *we* do?

}:)     [I know it's a redundancy, but: STUPID YOUTHS!]

Victor Davis Hanson had a good argument about this the other day on KRLA radio and I am going to somehow quote it: US should have stayed away from this thing because it is Europe. (something to this effect).

Although Albanians and Kosovars are amongst the most pro-Americans in that part of the World.

John McCain isn't available to comment on this terrible development because he's battling his former media friends at the New York Times, but I believe he supported President Clinton's decision to DO SOMETHING since the Europeans sat watching crazy former Soviet countries massacring each other.

re: #101 EC Marm

This event will only be seen as further evidence by the 'blame America first' wing of the Democrat party of the need for a relative unknown with little, if any, foreign policy experience to be our next President.
Joe Btfsplk will become a household name, once again.

Sigh, he never stopped being a household name in my household!

You know who else wore Nazi uniforms during world war II, yea Nazis. So some of you want to condemn a whole group of people for something their fathers fathers did, come on that was 2 generations ago. I am sure that living under communist rule was a walk in the park as well.
I support any group of people that wave an American flag. I denounce anyone that burns our embassy.
Some of you seem to be saying that any independent State that has Muslims in it should be suspect.

I am not that jaded.

re: #208 Spenser (with an S)

re: #188 Lizard by the Bay

These people had their ancient, beautiful city precision bombed because an American president needed cover for his oval office blow-jobs

Just because Clinton was an anti-military POS, you make it sound like all the Serbs were picking daisies until we bombed them out of a clear blue sky. They were savagely at each other's throats.

Maybe so, but one group was trying to defend their historical homeland from a civil war started by non-native aggressors. Given that, I root for the home team (meaning Serbs), regardless of tactics. And really, it is their damn country. Their methods of putting down a rebellion were never our business.

re: #218 loppyd

re: #212 ploome hineni

Wesley CLark, discussing Kosovo on FOX

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh

That man is creepy.

* * *
Hey, he's from Arkansas and he was number one at Westpoint in his graduating class. He gets an A for Ambition!

re: #221 littleO

re: #180 boazhorribilis

re: #175 newsjunkie_ky

Rush's "Nickel and Dime Store"

I agree that Limbaugh's show is half commercials, but, eeegads he's had an immense effect over the last twenty+ years. Rush reaches millions every day.

So did the Nickel and Dime Stores. An American institution.

re: #196 Lizard by the Bay

re: #185 Silhouette

Serbia may be the anti-Israel. They are both the target of islamic expansion, but where Israel goes out of its way to behave with utmost humanity (leaving many of us banging our heads against the wall when we read about Israel providing power, water, food, money, and even weapons to those trying to kill her), Serbia seems to have fought in a manner equally as evil at times as those trying to destroy it used.

Here's my interpretation of that: Serbia is Israel with balls.

Feel free to disagree.

the Clinton administration cut both countries balls off. Welcome to Kosovo and Palestine

re: #227 The_Vig

Let's see, Kosovo, an ancient and once recognized part of Serbia has been annexed by Albanians. Stolen right out from under Serbia and condoned by the rest of the world.

I wonder what your thoughts will be when this happens to Londonistan?

re: #61 Thanos

re: #51 zombie

Serbs set fire to American flag.

When all else fails -- burn an American flag! The surefire all-purpose protest gesture, no matter what side you're on.

/wondering if 1389 was in the crowd

Really. You see what goes on and start wondering whether any of the guys we've been "discussing" with are "there".

re: #18 realwest

It's a small world.

My fiancee's mother has a boyfriend here in CA. His son is the head of the US State Dept Security Detail in the US embassy in Belgrade. The US Marines there report to him, as they are all enlisted, led by a Sargeant.

They are currently in the Embassy, holding their ground.

May your children live in interesting times.

re: #224 alegrias

John McCain isn't available to comment on this terrible development because he's battling his former media friends at the New York Times, but I believe he supported President Clinton's decision to DO SOMETHING since the Europeans sat watching crazy former Soviet countries massacring each other.

Didn't the Pravda Times endorce him just a couple of months ago? Now THAT was a short romance.

I remember McCain was really fond of killing 1500 civilians in Clintonian blitzkrieg.

re: #219 Iron Fist

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

We've given them their Sudatenland. How very special. Surely now the Mohammedans will be appeased. There will be peas in our thyme.

Will it be whirled peas?

re: #228 Lizard by the Bay

re: #208 Spenser (with an S)

re: #188 Lizard by the Bay

These people had their ancient, beautiful city precision bombed because an American president needed cover for his oval office blow-jobs

Just because Clinton was an anti-military POS, you make it sound like all the Serbs were picking daisies until we bombed them out of a clear blue sky. They were savagely at each other's throats.

Maybe so, but one group was trying to defend their historical homeland from a civil war started by non-native aggressors. Given that, I root for the home team (meaning Serbs), regardless of tactics. And really, it is their damn country. Their methods of putting down a rebellion were never our business.

* * *

When ITN television showed footage of concentration camps full of starved young former Yugoslavians being herded up by other former Yugoslavians, it's hard as an American human being to say "not my problem."

At that point I called the Clinton White House phone number to register my horror and urge intervention.

Gulags in Europe? I thought everyone agreed "NEVER AGAIN."

re: #201 Thanos

re: #186 medaura18586

re: #30 Thanos

By what standards?

Since I am speaking for myself, by my standards.

Only if you don't mind speaking about yourself,

...what are your standards?

re: #231 sultan_knish

re: #196 Lizard by the Bay

re: #185 Silhouette

Serbia may be the anti-Israel. They are both the target of islamic expansion, but where Israel goes out of its way to behave with utmost humanity (leaving many of us banging our heads against the wall when we read about Israel providing power, water, food, money, and even weapons to those trying to kill her), Serbia seems to have fought in a manner equally as evil at times as those trying to destroy it used.

Here's my interpretation of that: Serbia is Israel with balls.

Feel free to disagree.

the Clinton administration cut both countries balls off. Welcome to Kosovo and Palestine

Israel still has got her balls?!? Balls? Yeah, let her loose!

I can't tow the Fitzgerald line on this one. I know lots (and I mean lots) of Albanians (including Kosovans) and their Islam is one I can live with. They all love America, I was in the pub with a load the other day for lunch as they raised a toast for Tony Blair! Most of them have Christians and Jews in their family and they are proud of it.

There are instances of jihad and criminality but no more than your average American or Brit of whatever background these days. It's a very small minority.

I don't want Turkey in Europe. This 'we need a Muslim state' idea is nonsense. Albania and now Kosovo are European Muslim states. All we need to do is help make sure the Arab world doesn't start providing their schools with textbooks...

They're JUST NOW finding out Hillary is running for President? The election hasn't even taken place yet!

re: #221 littleO

re: #180 boazhorribilis

re: #175 newsjunkie_ky

Rush's "Nickel and Dime Store"

I agree that Limbaugh's show is half commercials, but, eeegads he's had an immense effect over the last twenty+ years. Rush reaches millions every day.

You can subscribe and get it on itunes and listen to it on your ipod while you wash dishes - with no ads.

re: #204 snowcrash

re: #179 medaura18586
Was wondering about your opinion on Sunday......am going to your blog now. Thanks,

Thanks, too bad I missed that initial thread while it was active,.. would have been fun

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, Olaf is the EU budget screener,
But what it really, truly likes to be
is not to be the EU budget screener,
'Cause the EU's as corrupt as Tripoli!

re: #212 ploome hineni

Wesley CLark, discussing Kosovo on FOX

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh

aka ashley wilkes. the maudlin do nothin hand wringer.

re: #228 Lizard by the Bay

Maybe so, but one group was trying to defend their historical homeland from a civil war started by non-native aggressors. Given that, I root for the home team (meaning Serbs), regardless of tactics. And really, it is their damn country. Their methods of putting down a rebellion were never our business.

I don't necessarily disagree, you were just leaning a little hard toward the innocent little babes end of the spectrum.

re: #232 BulgarWheat

What, so once you are in you can never leave. I think you should talk to the former Russian Provinces.

re: #235 Jfundie

re: #224 alegrias

John McCain isn't available to comment on this terrible development because he's battling his former media friends at the New York Times, but I believe he supported President Clinton's decision to DO SOMETHING since the Europeans sat watching crazy former Soviet countries massacring each other.

Didn't the Pravda Times endorce him just a couple of months ago? Now THAT was a short romance.

I remember McCain was really fond of killing 1500 civilians in Clintonian blitzkrieg.

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Yes, the New York Times endorsed McCain over Mr. Clean Mitt Romney--while sitting on this allegation until AFTER McCain's Super Tuesday victories.

Yes, McCain supported President Clinton ACTING instead of letting post-Soviet Russia lead. Remember when Russia tried to take over an airport under Wes Clark's nose? Or start an international incident with us? Clinton's knees were shaking.

re: #229 alegrias

re: #218 loppyd

re: #212 ploome hineni

Wesley CLark, discussing Kosovo on FOXaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh

That man is creepy.

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Hey, he's from Arkansas and he was number one at Westpoint in his graduating class. He gets an A for Ambition!

Wasn't there some sort of dark cloud over his command?

I find the comments supporting the Serbs and demonizing the Kosovars disturbing and ignorant. I went to college with a lot of Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and Slovenians. It was a very international college. Every year, we'd have a type of world fair, where all the different nationalities would have the chance to show a bit of their country and culture. The Serbs all showed up with t-shirts that read - in their native language and for the benefit of the other 'yugoslavs' - something like "Serbia will always dominate you." They went to the others' tables and spit food at them, started a big fight and ruined the whole thing. It was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.

And for those morons here bemoaning an independent Kosovo b/c it's "muslim," I wonder if any of you were whining at CAIR's comments the other day. You're proving them right.

I'll tell you - there was one side waving American flags over the weekendhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gC-Gw3BdqY and another that is burning our embassy today. I don't think there is much doubt whose side America should be on.

One protester climbed up to the first floor of the building, ripped the Stars and Stripes off its pole and briefly put up a Serbian flat in its place.

I think our embassies need some of those new exploding flagpoles ...

}:)     [ ... wonder if Archie has any in stock ... ]

#228 Lizard by the Bay

Maybe so, but one group was trying to defend their historical homeland from a civil war started by non-native aggressors. Given that, I root for the home team (meaning Serbs), regardless of tactics. And really, it is their damn country. Their methods of putting down a rebellion were never our business.

Your analysis is spot on. The Serbs are violent, because they live in a violent neighborhood.

Russia will not back down again, nor should they..I see them rearming the Serbs and when they do, all Hell will break loose. It seems to me like Russia and the Serbs know how to deal with Islamic extremism far better then we do...

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #42 MandyManners

Some 200 riot police finally arrived about half an hour later, beating and arresting some of the rioters and driving the rest away. Some protesters sat on the ground, bleeding.The storming of the building came during a state-backed rally

Am I paranoid or did the Serbian government allow this?

Considering that they knew of the rally and they knew what happened the other day it seems to me to be very likely that the authorities "looked the other way"

re: #237 alegrias

Gulags in Europe? I thought everyone agreed "NEVER AGAIN."

I agree.

re: #250 harrylook

Hear! Hear!

re: #46 Thanos

What Jerry Pournelle had to say about it yesterday:

I see we rushed to recognize Kosovo. Understand that Kosovo was majority Serbian in World War I, and there has never been a legal Albanian immigrant into Kosovo. Now the Albanians have declared Kosovo independent. Russia, whom we need as an ally in our engagement with China, and China, are standing together against our recognition of Kosovo.
When San Antonio, Texas, declares independence, what will happen? We do live in interesting times.

So he's saying if tons of mexicans illegaly flooded into Texas, then declared independance, that would be the equivalent of what happened in Serbia/Kosovo. Interesting.

re: #250 harrylook

Exactly

re: #249 loppyd

Wasn't there some sort of dark cloud over his command?

Hell to the Yes! Well-known weasel and political, not military general.

re: #250 harrylook

I find the comments supporting the Serbs and demonizing the Kosovars disturbing and ignorant. I went to college with a lot of Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and Slovenians. It was a very international college. Every year, we'd have a type of world fair, where all the different nationalities would have the chance to show a bit of their country and culture. The Serbs all showed up with t-shirts that read - in their native language and for the benefit of the other 'yugoslavs' - something like "Serbia will always dominate you." They went to the others' tables and spit food at them, started a big fight and ruined the whole thing. It was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.

And for those morons here bemoaning an independent Kosovo b/c it's "muslim," I wonder if any of you were whining at CAIR's comments the other day. You're proving them right.

I'll tell you - there was one side waving American flags over the weekendhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gC-Gw3Bd qY and another that is burning our embassy today. I don't think there is much doubt whose side America should be on.

Speaking as much as I am warranted to, of the law of large numbers in the context of collectivism coefficients, it's just a statistical observation, but when Serbs or Russians leave their country for the US or Canada (I have met quote a few Russians and Serbs in the new continent) they still hold on to the myth of Mother Russia, or Greater Serbia, to a disturbing degree. Even Russians who hate Russia, who think their country is messed up and corrupt, they still find it very hard next to impossible to deprogram themselves of Russian supremacist nationalism. Their collectivist mentality is so strong, I don't know if they indoctrinate them in school or in the family or whatnot, but for example, my fiancee is an internet entrepreneur and has some Russian programmers. They despise the state of Russia, but they are all for "Mother Russia", take Putin's side against the US, despise Albanians in subtle ways although they don't know anything about them, and all in all, the Russian Propaganda machine still reaches them here, and I am not happy that my soon to be husband is sponsoring such people for a green card! Perhaps a few generations down the road their grand-children's "Mother Russia" chip will stop beeping, but right now, they are a fifth column of sorts. Same with young Serbs, they join Serbian nationalist youth clubs in Canada and whatnot. That is alarming to me, and it's light-years away from the near-immediate assimilation of Albanians once they leave the old country. I don't know how to explain it, it's obviously cultural, but a lot of these pan-slavic nationals breathe a heavy smog of collectivist chauvinistic supremacist propaganda as youths, and it's hard for them to get that smell out of their ideological nostrils even when they are surrounded by fresh North-American air.

I'm not saying Albanians are not collectivists. I remember the flavor of history we were taught at school: yes, facts, but strongly painted with nationalistic colors. But the average Albanian is actually self-deprecating about his/her nationality, and it seems that most of Albanians' nationalism is a reaction to the pressure they are subjected by their neighbors, but whenever Albanians don't have to think in those terms, they largely abandon those backward notions and get assimilated right-away.

It's a weird culture...

re: #172 lawhawk

No matter which side of this issue you fall on - whether you think the Kosavars deserved recognition or that the Serbians got screwed - the fact that these Serbians decided to torch the US embassy in Belgrade shows that the Serbs are not worthy of my support.

You simply don't go torching that which does not belong - the US Embassy. You don't make a case for the US supporting your cause when you destroy the very visible property of the United States people.

It's not the best way to influence people and make friends - it does precisely the opposite.

The Serbs did themselves a great disservice by torching the embassy, and it further seals the deal for the Administration that they've been carrying on the correct policy (started by Clinton) to support the Kosavars (that you're pissing off the right people).

You said it much better than I. MUCH hehe.

re: #235 Jfundie

I remember McCain was really fond of killing 1500 civilians in Clintonian blitzkrieg.

Right, ClintonHitler massacred all those civilians in a "blitzkrieg". The (then) Yugoslav government said so, so it must be true.

Don't let your dislike of the Clintons tip over into repeating enemy propaganda.

re: #250 harrylook

I find the comments supporting the Serbs and demonizing the Kosovars disturbing and ignorant. I went to college with a lot of Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and Slovenians. It was a very international college. Every year, we'd have a type of world fair, where all the different nationalities would have the chance to show a bit of their country and culture. The Serbs all showed up with t-shirts that read - in their native language and for the benefit of the other 'yugoslavs' - something like "Serbia will always dominate you." They went to the others' tables and spit food at them, started a big fight and ruined the whole thing. It was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.

And for those morons here bemoaning an independent Kosovo b/c it's "muslim," I wonder if any of you were whining at CAIR's comments the other day. You're proving them right.

I'll tell you - there was one side waving American flags over the weekendhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gC-Gw3Bd qY and another that is burning our embassy today. I don't think there is much doubt whose side America should be on.

Morons are morons but you cannot make policy based on food spitters. If you think this is right, you're wrong!

re: #252 Maximu§

#228 Lizard by the Bay

Maybe so, but one group was trying to defend their historical homeland from a civil war started by non-native aggressors. Given that, I root for the home team (meaning Serbs), regardless of tactics. And really, it is their damn country. Their methods of putting down a rebellion were never our business.

Your analysis is spot on. The Serbs are violent, because they live in a violent neighborhood.

Russia will not back down again, nor should they..I see them rearming the Serbs and when they do, all Hell will break loose. It seems to me like Russia and the Serbs know how to deal with Islamic extremism far better then we do...

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

How is declaring yourself an independent state Islamic extremism. It seems that you prefer the Boot to freedom.

It's always the "youths" causing trouble in the media.

re: #249 loppyd

re: #229 alegrias

re: #218 loppyd

re: #212 ploome hineni

Wesley CLark, discussing Kosovo on FOXaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh hhhhhhhhhhh

That man is creepy.

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Hey, he's from Arkansas and he was number one at Westpoint in his graduating class. He gets an A for Ambition!

Wasn't there some sort of dark cloud over his command?