With attitudes like that, no wonder the Arabs never win wars.

Roadmap. Peace. Best of interntions. Uh huh.

Fatahasses Vs Hamassholes!

/my childhood games were so much ...different

Anyone who doesn't think that the up-tick in rocket attacks has nothing to do with Sec. of State Rice's visit hasn't been paying attention to how the Palestinians deal with "Peace Talks".

I like this photograph better.

New Packaging. Same Product. Losers

"civilian" = Pali terrorist who tossed away his AK when Reuters cameramen arrived.

Hmmm, its all evil old Israel's fault. How dare Israel return fire against those attacking her. What nerve and gall Israel has. If Israel would just lie down and die quietly there would finally be peace in Palestine.

The "peace process"! this Hamas guy has the utter temerity to talk about the "peace process". It's either that or I KEEL YOU!

" More than half of those killed were civilians...."

Of course, the media left out this qualifier:

More than half of those killed were civilians, according to Palestinian sources.

When 100 percent of your population is used to fight the 'jihad' in some form or another, how convenient to label them 'civilian' at the same time...

re: #7 Colonel Panik

"civilian" = Pali terrorist who tossed away his AK ran out of ammunition just before when Reuters cameramen arrived.

There fix'ed that for you, a little more accurate now... :)

The MSM is always there with a shoulder for the Pali's to cry on.

antiseMitiSM

Hmmm, maybe Hollywood will start wearing ribbons for Pallywood next.

This would be funny...if it was not another example of just how warped the Palistinian mind set has become. When you raise an entire culture on death and destruction this is all you get. I'm still amaised by Isreals lack of serious reactions to Hamas. If I was in charge I would have invaded gaza at least 40 - 50 times by now.

But Isreal is still concidered to be the bad guys....*sigh*

What a world

Palestinian civilian = a guy who had to resort to throwing stones because he ran out of ammo.

There are no civilians in Palestine.

If you click on Charles's "Slideshows" on the top left of the page, you will see a link for "Palestinian Child Abuse." To call this treasure trove of horrors 'child abuse' does not tell the whole story. What you are really seeing are child soldiers.

The United Nations is supposed to be dealing with the problem of child soldiers under Security Council Resolution 1612 which was unanimously adopted in 2005.

[Link: www.un.org...]

In fact, the United Nations has expressed "serious concern" over the growing number of suicide attacks involving children, specifically in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Link: ipsnews.net...]

The Palestinians are in violation, too.

Qureia added. “We can’t bear what the Israelis are doing, and what the Israelis are doing doesn’t led the peace process any credibility.”

And claiming a 'peace process' all the while launching rockets DOES lend the process credibility?

*Spit*

re: #10 MJ

" More than half of those killed were civilians...."

Of course, the media left out this qualifier:

More than half of those killed were civilians, according to Palestinian sources.

Eggzactly.

Remember when Arafish made a great show of indignation at some point in talks with the then-Ehud Barak government, when discussions hit a rough spot he didn't like? This was at the US embassy in Paris, and Arafish "stormed" out of the meeting room and appeared headed for the gate. At that point, intrepid Secretary of State Madeleine Albright went clattering pathetically after him in her high heels, caught up with the Rais, and successfully implored him to return to the negotiating table.

Watch for Dippy Tzippi Livni to do something quite similar. She is simply delusional in addition to having almost no shred of self-respect as an Israeli.

Par for the course in a cabinet led by a toxic narcissist.

PIMF...spell check is needed

Stupid sat mornings at work....I can't type answer phones and post at the same time.

GRRRRRRRR

Mommy, Mommy UN, Those nasty Jooooos. They hit me after I threw rocks and hit them. Stop them, Mommy, or hold them while I hiy them again.

Pali Dictionary ---
Civilian - anyone killed by jooooz.
Combatant - jooooz

Interesting - the MSM falls over their own schlongs to reiterate that 50% of the Paleonazis killed were supposedly civilians. Yet, somehow they are unable to mention that 100% of the Israelis who have been killed and maimed by the incessant rocket fire are innocents.

re: #10 MJ

at least half of them civilians,

then

More than half of those killed were civilians.

“What is happening in Gaza is a massacre of civilians, women and children, a collective killing, genocide,” Qureia added.

In Syria, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal denounced Israeli attacks against civilians in Gaza, describing them as "the real Holocaust."

Please. The only people that believe you are as evil as you.

Not all of the Gazans killed on Saturday were immediately identified, but at least 13 militants and 16 civilians died. The civilians included an unidentified child, a 17-year-old girl and her 16-year-old brother, a 45-year-old man and his 20-year-old son, and two sisters thought to be in their early 20s.

16 isn't at least half or more than half of 35.

The bloodletting began before midnight Friday in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, where a 13-month-old girl, Malak Karfaneh, was killed by shrapnel. Hamas blamed Israel, but residents said a militant rocket fell short and landed near the baby's house.

pimf. Sorry, the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. hiy s/b hit

Reuters story is of course by number one propagandist Nidal al-Mughrabi and includes this gem:

Speaking in Damascus, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal told Israel what it would face if it mounted an invasion: "I say to the Zionist leaders, if they decided to raid Gaza, they will not be fought by dozens of fighters but they will be fought by 1.5 million people."

reuters

I have been following this story all morning. It is now reported that 2 IDF soldiers have been killed along with 45 pals. Don't believe the pal account of civilians, as many of their fighters are indistiguisable from the population. Hopefully, the IDF will give the jihadist a good spanking, if not go after the leadership itself.

re: #27 Van Impe

Reuters story is of course by number one propagandist Nidal al-Mughrabi and includes this gem:

Speaking in Damascus, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal told Israel what it would face if it mounted an invasion: "I say to the Zionist leaders, if they decided to raid Gaza, they will not be fought by dozens of fighters but they will be fought by 1.5 million people."

reuters

Promise?

re: #4 MJ

Anyone who doesn't think that the up-tick in rocket attacks has nothing to do with Sec. of State Rice's visit hasn't been paying attention to how the Palestinians deal with "Peace Talks".

That's right. Every time Powell used to show up in the Middle East when he was Sec of State, they greeted him with a suicide bomber, and innocent Jewish blood ran all over the streets!

Really, folks, what can we expect when the Palestinian Arabs' APologists continue to publish stories written by their propagandist-in-chief Ibrahim Barzak? The by-line tells you almost everything you need to know about the story that follows.

Israel's Strategy To Halt Hamas Missile Attacks: Destroy Hamas' Rule in Gaza

Check out Hamas' response to the new strategy of the Israeli Military:

Hamas leaders are well aware of the IDF’s revamped tactics and have employed counter-measures.

1. Their heads of government, armed wings and clerical authorities have gone to ground.

2. Their rank and file have taken over an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 civilian homes around Gaza City active and set up a wall for the town’s defense. Each home is provisioned with sufficient ammo, water and food for three weeks’ combat.

3. All Hamas operatives have dumped their cell phones and all means of communication which could betray their whereabouts. Orders and messages are carried by courier, usually children.
4. Thousands of missiles and rockets of different types are stocked in private homes and schools inside Gaza City and its refugee camps to escape Israeli attacks. This stratagem allows Hamas to calibrate its missile barrages on Israeli civilians according to the intensity of Israeli strikes against them.

Yes its now the cover story of the NY Times, "At Least 45 Killed in Israeli Strikes." I especially like the explanation that the Israelis "aimed at stopping rocket fire." Oh my a fire, why didn't they just use a Fire Extinguisher!

There again, does anyone use the NY Times for anything more than parakeet cage-liners.

re: #24 Bubbaman

Interesting - the MSM falls over their own schlongs to reiterate that 50% of the Paleonazis killed were supposedly civilians. Yet, somehow they are unable to mention that 100% of the Israelis who have been killed and maimed by the incessant rocket fire are innocents.

VERY GOOD POINT!

re: #22 grumpy old codger

Mommy, Mommy UN, Those nasty Jooooos. They hit me after I threw rocks and hit them. Stop them, Mommy, or hold them while I hiy them again.

Heh, we have a bingo. Nice shot grumpy.

More than half of those killed were civilians.

Since the Mohammadan squatters in Gaza never wear military uniforms the above qualifier can never be proven.

You are right Charles ! What is Fatah upset that Hamas is being hit by IDF ?

re: #25 m

re: #10 MJ

at least half of them civilians,

then

More than half of those killed were civilians.

“What is happening in Gaza is a massacre of civilians, women and children, a collective killing, genocide,” Qureia added.

In Syria, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal denounced Israeli attacks against civilians in Gaza, describing them as "the real Holocaust."

Please. The only people that believe you are as evil as you.

Not all of the Gazans killed on Saturday were immediately identified, but at least 13 militants and 16 civilians died. The civilians included an unidentified child, a 17-year-old girl and her 16-year-old brother, a 45-year-old man and his 20-year-old son, and two sisters thought to be in their early 20s.

16 isn't at least half or more than half of 35.

The bloodletting began before midnight Friday in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, where a 13-month-old girl, Malak Karfaneh, was killed by shrapnel. Hamas blamed Israel, but residents said a militant rocket fell short and landed near the baby's house.

AP and Reuters was wrong (on purpose...) many times about civilian deaths in Gaza.
Once an airstrike that got Hamas big fish car with his driver, bodyguard and another Hamas "warrior" it was reported as 4 dead - 3 civilians.
They printed doctored images, that were obviously skewed.
And all these "misteakes" go to one side.
If almost all of these "more than half" were on enemy payroll and wielding guns - AP might easily post it as it did.
They LIED and they BEND TRUTH several times already.

If it was other press agency that Reuters or AP - I'd give it more credit.

"Real Holocaust" cut Jewish population in half in few years. During "Palicaust" palis population rised.
Actualy... they have lower child mortality than Egypt, Lebanon or Syria. Intifiada and terrible governence is one thing - having Jewish hospital so close when you need it is another.

The case for 'collateral damage':

If 'civilians' have been killed, let it be a lesson to the surviving as to what happens when they sit idly by the by and let evil tyrants take over.

What's most astonishing to me is that the world media largely ignores the daily and increasingly deadly Kassam attacks. The Palestinians actually have come to believe that they have a right to murder Israelis with impunity ... and the world media appears to support this belief.

And of course they whine when Israel strikes back ... because when they whine the world (sans US) mobilizes in sympathy.

And it occurs to me that this Liberal whining about the USA being out of step with the world, more than anything else means serving up Israel to her enemies.

Is that part of what Obama means about 'change'? Showing our yellow streak and abandoning our allies?

I'll tell you what Israel needs right now: a clear minded and straight forward leader that can make decisions, stands behind them and non back down in front of the UN.
I can also tell you who this man is: VLADIMIR PUTIN.
Now, imagine to yourself that Quassam were fired on Russia.... I'd give 12 hours before Putin will transform the Gaza strip to a Golf course, complete with hotel and beach access (witch is not a bad plan I have to say).

The best thing about it will be the cooperation he will get from the Europeans and the neighborers.

re: #32 ornery elephant

Israel's Strategy To Halt Hamas Missile Attacks: Destroy Hamas' Rule in Gaza

Check out Hamas' response to the new strategy of the Israeli Military:

Hamas leaders are well aware of the IDF’s revamped tactics and have employed counter-measures.

Islam in a nutshell
1. Their heads of government, armed wings and clerical authorities have gone to ground.

2. Their rank and file have taken over an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 civilian homes around Gaza City active and set up a wall for the town’s defense. Each home is provisioned with sufficient ammo, water and food for three weeks’ combat.

3. All Hamas operatives have dumped their cell phones and all means of communication which could betray their whereabouts. Orders and messages are carried by courier, usually children.
4. Thousands of missiles and rockets of different types are stocked in private homes and schools inside Gaza City and its refugee camps to escape Israeli attacks. This stratagem allows Hamas to calibrate its missile barrages on Israeli civilians according to the intensity of Israeli strikes against them.

re: #17 Luigi

The United Nations is supposed to be dealing with the problem of child soldiers under Security Council Resolution 1612 which was unanimously adopted in 2005.

That would overload the UN's compartmentalized way of dealing with problems. It seems that they have 2 boxes for all incoming violations. One for violations concerning "good guys," and one for violations concerning "bad guys." The Pali's are the "good guys" so violations concerning them are thrown into that box. The UN spends their time going after the "bad guys" while spinning the violations of the "good guys" as inconsequential in their overall struggle against the "bad guys."

re: #32 ornery elephant

Why must Israeli and Western war plans always be written of in the papers? As WSC said, and I am paraphrasing:
"In war truth is so precious, it has to be protected by a body guard of lies"

No doubt there will be many staged photographs of people running around carrying others...people screaming and crying out in anguish...pictures of rubble....and the eternal pictures of people throwing stones.

/and if we're lucky we may even see a car swarm of two...or another clip of a digitally enhanced Santa joining the intifada for round 2.

The number is now 45 palis dead.
2 Israeli soldiers were killed. R.I.P

The Paleostinian's have made "civilian" a buzz word (as others here have observed).

The U.N., self proclaimed masters of nuance, often fail to observe that intentional deception. Since the "militants" are not a true military unit, does that not make them "civilians" as well?

Just asking....

“What is happening in Gaza is a massacre of civilians, women and children, a collective killing, genocide,”

So massacres of civilians only occur when Israel fires into Gaza. The rockets fired OUT of Gaza however, that are aimed at no one in particular, is not a massacre of civilians?
Only the Palestinians could be so pathetic in their logic.

re: #40 arcatan

Grad, the missile is Grad and it's russian made. That's why the media doesn't talk about it, because they don't know the name of the missile.

buy materials to build rockets and splodydope belts. $500

build rockets and launch them, or send splodydope on their way to their virgins, in order to kill indiscriminantly, as many jews as possible. $500

whine to the world when the jews give a measured surgical response? Priceless.

For all your Jihad propaganda and whining, use the main stream media. They are stupid enough, and gullible enough to believe anything you tell them. As long as it goes against jews and israel.

This message has been brought to you by the "Religion of Peace", wreaking death and destruction on kuffar and itself for the past 14 centuries.

re: #38 Peterus

re: #25 m

re: #10 MJ

at least half of them civilians,

then

More than half of those killed were civilians.

“What is happening in Gaza is a massacre of civilians, women and children, a collective killing, genocide,” Qureia added.

In Syria, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal denounced Israeli attacks against civilians in Gaza, describing them as "the real Holocaust."

Please. The only people that believe you are as evil as you.

Not all of the Gazans killed on Saturday were immediately identified, but at least 13 militants and 16 civilians died. The civilians included an unidentified child, a 17-year-old girl and her 16-year-old brother, a 45-year-old man and his 20-year-old son, and two sisters thought to be in their early 20s.

16 isn't at least half or more than half of 35.

The bloodletting began before midnight Friday in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, where a 13-month-old girl, Malak Karfaneh, was killed by shrapnel. Hamas blamed Israel, but residents said a militant rocket fell short and landed near the baby's house.

AP and Reuters was wrong (on purpose...) many times about civilian deaths in Gaza.
Once an airstrike that got Hamas big fish car with his driver, bodyguard and another Hamas "warrior" it was reported as 4 dead - 3 civilians.
They printed doctored images, that were obviously skewed.
And all these "misteakes" go to one side.
If almost all of these "more than half" were on enemy payroll and wielding guns - AP might easily post it as it did.
They LIED and they BEND TRUTH several times already.

If it was other press agency that Reuters or AP - I'd give it more credit.

"Real Holocaust" cut Jewish population in half in few years. During "Palicaust" palis population rised.
Actualy... they have lower child mortality than Egypt, Lebanon or Syria. Intifiada and terrible governence is one thing - having Jewish hospital so close when you need it is another.

Al-Roto-Reuters, publishing all the propaganda thats unfit to print....

re: #33 Right Brain

Yes its now the cover story of the NY Times, "At Least 45 Killed in Israeli Strikes."

World media: All Israel, all the time.

They ignore Muslim-on-Muslim violence:

Suicide bomber kills 38 at Pakistan funeral

re: #49 DJ Wahaba

re: #40 arcatan

Grad, the missile is Grad and it's russian made. That's why the media doesn't talk about it, because they don't know the name of the missile.

Hell, they just learned how to spell Katyusha!

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I would love to see:

1. The West declare war against the barbarians

2. It is carried out.

3. Too bad for them.

re: #52 Spiritualized

Leave that man, what the hell is happened with Darfur?

re: #44 Nevergiveup

re: #32 ornery elephant

Why must Israeli and Western war plans always be written of in the papers? As WSC said, and I am paraphrasing:
"In war truth is so precious, it has to be protected by a body guard of lies"

A good question but my thoughts are that if the Israelis want to keep a secret, they keep a secret (i.e. bombing of Syrian nuke facility) but in this case, if the Israeli goal is to vacate a large portion of northern Gaza, to push missile launching sites back, then if Hamas knows and scurries away and surrenders that land - all the better. That's just my guess.

I'm surprised the line wasn't : "more than half of those killed were babies"

Aren't the Palestinians all combatants? The raise their children form day one to be killers and martyrs. "Civilian" deaths are squarely on their shoulders. Not to mention the fact that rocket factories and launch sites are in residential areas. They want dead women and children to show to the willing world press.

re: #54 Ojoe

re: #44 Nevergiveup

I would love to see:

1. The West declare war against the barbarians

2. It is carried out.

3. Too bad for them.

I though that is what President Bush did on Sept.12 2001. But we have been back tracking ever since.

re: #56 ornery elephant

Perhaps, but since Israel is not going to reoccupy any part of Gaza, it seems a rather temporary fix. Kinda like "search and destroy" was in Vietnam.

re: #57 Sizzlack

I'm surprised the line wasn't : "more than half of those killed were babies"

I'm waiting for:

A 'metal shop' that has currently been converted into a 'nursery', was the latest stage for the deaths of 35 babies and a 'militant' who was watching over them...

What peace process?

WHEN?,
R

re: #58 Ziggy

Aren't the Palestinians all combatants? The raise their children form day one to be killers and martyrs. "Civilian" deaths are squarely on their shoulders. Not to mention the fact that rocket factories and launch sites are in residential areas. They want dead women and children to show to the willing world press.

BINGO. They use the children as couriers,and the women as shields.

labels: fatah / hamas

It seems that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is a failed experiment. Time to clean up the lab bench.

2.5 years and the Palistinians have done nothing productive.

40 terrorists: Genocide.

Darfur: Crickets.

It's for their own internal (Muslim) consumption.

And for the "believe anything they say" whacko lefties.

They just need to serve up any rhetoric, no matter how crazy, and others will pick up the ball.

re: #58 Ziggy

see the video in 3

re: #62 Render

What peace process?

WHEN?,
R

When ever the Palestinian "negotiators" need to do some shopping, they come to Jerusalem talk a bit, shop, and go home fat and happy.

Just don't hit the batteries! How will all those deaf children hear?

re: #65 Van Helsing

It seems that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is a failed experiment. Time to clean up the lab bench.

2.5 years and the Palistinians have done nothing productive.

Hey there, my friend ! Long time no see! How are you? How is your warrior-son?

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

Ladies and gentlemen I have found an injured baby
Check the picture

Ahmed Quiera , the Chief Palestinian negotiator label what at worst bis collateral damage 'Genocide".This over the top hyperbole is dutifully reported without challenge.
The Holy Warriors have never cared about civilians not even their own and manfully use them as shields.
When a pizza parlor full of teenagers is purposefully blown up in Israel,the MSM twists logic like a pretzel to give the event "context".
In my opinion Israel should have finished the job in Lebanon and served notice that messing with them will get you seriously dead.

If you control Reuters and the AP you have pretty much a lock on what Americans know. This article demonstrates how the American people are kept from knowing what is going on in the world.

PS -- Fox is running this story on their website, too.

re: #71 Sizzlack

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

Ladies and gentlemen I have found an injured baby
Check the picture

Being born into a Pali family automatically qualifies as child abuse. So no wonders the poor child can be labeled 'injured'...

re: #73 Luigi

If you control Reuters and the AP you have pretty much a lock on what Americans know. This article demonstrates how the American people are kept from knowing what is going on in the world.

PS -- Fox is running this story on their website, too.

Unfortunately, I think most Americans don't care what is going on in the world, even if they were getting it reported accurately.

There is a LiveLeak video from Afghanistan that shows an American Apache helicopter following a group of armed Taliban. The Taliban enter a mud hut and disappear. A minute later, one of those "valiant and courageous" Taliban emerges from the front door with a young boy and sets the boy down to stand right in front of the doorway - the Taliban fighter goes back in and closes the door and the boy stays put. The Apache leaves.

/I didn't see Brian Williams show that clip on NBC Nightly News

were killed in pitched battles between Israeli troops and rocket squads that escalated sharply.

So, the rocket squads are made up of, and surrounded by, civilians. Big deal. They bring their children to watch the fun, and they get killed for it in the fighting. Big deal. You get what you pay for; or, in this case, you get paid back for what you're dishing out.

Stupid media Caliphate butt-kissers!

IMO the Israelis should once and for all stop playing along with the "collective punishment" bullshit. They need to make it clear via official public announcements that they are in a state of war against terror and its supporters. They should make it clear that in the WOT the legitimate targets in Gaza include but are not limited to the following:
1. the rocket launch sites
2. the people who operate the rocket launchers
3. the rocket assembly sites
4. the rocket assemblers, suppliers and importers
5. the homes of the rocket launchers
8. the homes of the rocket assemblers, suppliers and importers
9. the leaders of Hamas
10. the members of Hamas
11. the offices of Hamas
12. the homes of Hamas members
13. the financial supporters of Hamas
14. the people who voted for Hamas
15. the homes and offices of the supporters of Hamas
16. the homes and offices of those who voted for Hamas
Israel will need to be strong enough to take the political heat.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Sizzlack -- That just makes it easier to control the American mind. You can do more control with less information.

re: #70 mama winger

Doing well mama winger and I thank you for asking. The warrior has completed his tour and we just sent him back to his stateside base after a 3 week leave. He's doing well. Got a few demons to deal with, but I'd be worried if he didn't.

I've been stupid busy and have barely had time to lurk.

How are you and how's little winger adapting to the quiet life?

Time for another episode of

Paleostinians- Ancient Stone Thrower Civilization

I see rock. Me pick up rock and throw rock like other people. People no stop throw rocks. Me no stop throw rocks.

Me see people use fire with long rock. long rock fly like bird. I use fire with long rock. People no stop use fire with long rock. Me no stop use fire with long rock.

re: #81 Luigi

I agree. I just think about most of my friends (who are between the ages of 21 and 27) really know very little about what is going on. A friend of mine was talking about wanting to get out of Iraq plain and simple and everytime I tried to explain that it was so much more complicated than "withdraw now" all he did was say he didnt care.

re: #82 ploome hineni

re: #78 ornery elephant

can you post that link?

I'll try and find it ploome

Anyone catch this one:
Abbas: IDF's Gaza operation worse than a holocaust

But I thought that Mr. Abbas doesn't believe in "The Holocaust".

re: #83 Van Helsing

I am so glad to hear that your son is back safe, and mostly sound. (I know what you mean about that) In fact, I was just thinking of him the other day and pondering that he must be home by now. The time does go by, doesn't it? Though at the beginning of a deployment it seems as if it never will be over.

Speaking of which, Little Winger is scheduled for his second tour starting Jan '08. He was promoted to Sgt. so he's excited about making more in combat pay this time LOL!

Kids........

re: #87 ploome hineni

you know how much practice it takes to throw a rock accurately?

hah

Look, it all comes down to this.

islamists are lying s.o.bees.

media leftists are hopelessly naive, if not flat out duplicitous.

Every member of every pali rocket squad is a civilian, as they are too cowardly to wear uniforms except in promo pics.

re: #93 ploome hineni

re: #91 Sizzlack

re: #87 ploome hineni

you know how much practice it takes to throw a rock accurately?

hah

when that is ALL you are trained to do

Yep. If they actually had to go to work, it would cut into their rehearsals.

re: #58 Ziggy

Aren't the Palestinians all combatants? The raise their children form day one to be killers and martyrs. "Civilian" deaths are squarely on their shoulders. Not to mention the fact that rocket factories and launch sites are in residential areas. They want dead women and children to show to the willing world press.

Not entirely, but those who are not are used as human shields. Note:

The bloodletting began before midnight Friday in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, where a 13-month-old girl, Malak Karfaneh, was killed by shrapnel. Hamas blamed Israel, but residents said a militant rocket fell short and landed near the baby's house.

Had these residents been "combatants" instead of apparently unwilling human shields, they certainly would not have blamed Hamas rocketeers for the child's death.

re: #93 ploome hineni

I can see it now. Palestinian sleep away camps with the "rock range", rockball, and hide and go throw a rock.

re: #88 Green Helmet Guy

Anyone catch this one:
Abbas: IDF's Gaza operation worse than a holocaust

But I thought that Mr. Abbas doesn't believe in "The Holocaust".

Well lets cut Abbas some slack. After all he was so busy being the first one to fire a shot at the Jews and also teaching Hezbollah how fight, he hardly had time to educate himself or take a history course!

re: #39 Oh no...Sand People!

The case for 'collateral damage':

If 'civilians' have been killed, let it be a lesson to the surviving as to what happens when they sit idly by the by and let evil tyrants take over.

They are not sitting idly by, and they did not let tyrants take over... they voted them into power and they are aiding, abetting and applauding everything they do.

Well, this story clinches it for me. All of those tenured academics have it right,
Global warming is our fault.Forget that we are in the coldest , snowiest winter in 30 years.
The Holocaust never really happened.A bunch of Jews just hid for sixty years.

Israel is an apartheid state.The fact that Arab/Israeli citizens hold full rights including the right to hold public office should not get in the way of the story.
The Palestinians are peaceful people.Hey suicide bombing is just a cultural thin.We have Monday Night Football, right?

re: #89 mama winger

re: #83 Van Helsing

I am so glad to hear that your son is back safe, and mostly sound. (I know what you mean about that) In fact, I was just thinking of him the other day and pondering that he must be home by now. The time does go by, doesn't it? Though at the beginning of a deployment it seems as if it never will be over.

Speaking of which, Little Winger is scheduled for his second tour starting Jan '08. He was promoted to Sgt. so he's excited about making more in combat pay this time LOL!

Kids........

To you parents of our warriors, You did good!

The Baby in the post is too appealing, Charles.
You should substitute one that looks like this.

re: #28 tank22

2 soldiers were wounded, not killed. Though HAMass did try (20 ambushes according to them)...

I pray for the brave IDF boys. Seems to me I'll be called into reserve service tomorrow to join them.

re: #101 opnion

We HAD Monday night football. It is now a pale image of what once was. Were have you gone Howard Cosell?

re: #63 tank22

re: #58 Ziggy

Aren't the Palestinians all combatants? The raise their children form day one to be killers and martyrs. "Civilian" deaths are squarely on their shoulders. Not to mention the fact that rocket factories and launch sites are in residential areas. They want dead women and children to show to the willing world press.

BINGO. They use the children as couriers,and the women as shields.

They use the women as breeding stock and the children as cannon fodder.

re: #89 mama winger

Congratulations to the new Sarge!

The attitudes our kids have is just amazing to me. Talking about his experiences and such the thought 'this is really dangerous and I could get killed' just isn't there. I don't remember feeling that immortal at 21...

He will probably be heading back in early '09. Of course it's difficult to predict with the political situation here.

Little Winger is looking forward to higher combat pay, my son is wanting to be sure that he can re-enlist while he's on combat duty so his bonus will be tax free.

Kids...

[Link: www.debka.com...]

I just want to cry right now...for Israel...God will protect her...

Psalm 83- A MUST READ right now, for ALL!

re: #49 DJ Wahaba

re: #40 arcatan

Grad, the missile is Grad and it's russian made. That's why the media doesn't talk about it, because they don't know the name of the missile.

OK, but my jpost article refers to Kassam missles.

This all comes down to appeasement, where the world allows the Islamic world to take Jewish lives with impunity, just so they don't get pissed. The Western world, especially Europe, has show again and again that they will kowtow to bullies.

re: #65 Van Helsing

It seems that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is a failed experiment. Time to clean up the lab bench.

2.5 years and the Palestinians have done nothing productive.

I still remember the functioning green houses the Palestineans inherited and then ransacked. Vegetables could have been grown in there to feed their people.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #100 ploome hineni

#92 rorschach

the Turkish army went into Iraq this month to 'clean out' Kurdish rebels..(or whatever they are called this week)

you hear much about it?

Yeah, I (un)noticed that too.

If Hamas is eliminated and the remaining palestinians are too weak to fight back, will Israel get credit for bringing peace to the region (snort***laugh)?

re: #102 opnion

I appreciate that, but in truth , thanks goes to God. He was the one. I just tried not to get in the way.

re: #102 opnion

re: #89 mama winger

re: #83 Van Helsing

I am so glad to hear that your son is back safe, and mostly sound. (I know what you mean about that) In fact, I was just thinking of him the other day and pondering that he must be home by now. The time does go by, doesn't it? Though at the beginning of a deployment it seems as if it never will be over.

Speaking of which, Little Winger is scheduled for his second tour starting Jan '08. He was promoted to Sgt. so he's excited about making more in combat pay this time LOL!

Kids........

To you parents of our warriors, You did good!

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

When the Palis used civilian populations as shields, when that same population is a willing participant in the hiding of combatants and war material. The population is no longer "innocent bystanders." When they get taken out by a strike on a legitimate target their is only and only one party at fault for their deaths. And it isn't the IDF.

re: #104 Twilight

Actually there are 2 killed soldiers of the IDF.
First Sergeant Doron Asulin of Givati and another Givati soldier, R.I.P.

re: #105 Nevergiveup

re: #101 opnion

We HAD Monday night football. It is now a pale image of what once was. Were have you gone Howard Cosell?

Cosell was a guy that you didn't miss until he was gone.
Annoying, but colorful

re: #102 opnion

Thanks opnion. That's much appreciated.

re: #113 Maximu%uFFFD

re: #102 opnion

re: #89 mama winger

re: #83 Van HelsingI am so glad to hear that your son is back safe, and mostly sound. (I know what you mean about that) In fact, I was just thinking of him the other day and pondering that he must be home by now. The time does go by, doesn't it? Though at the beginning of a deployment it seems as if it never will be over.

Speaking of which, Little Winger is scheduled for his second tour starting Jan '08. He was promoted to Sgt. so he's excited about making more in combat pay this time LOL!

Kids........

To you parents of our warriors, You did good!

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

Done

The next telecast of "Pioneers of Tomorrow" hosted by Creepy Saraa and Assud the Jew Eating Rabbit should be quite the show! Assud could show up with bloody body parts hanging from his mouth for example. Why, it's the perfect children's programming opportunity for the kiddies in Hamastan. Be sure to tune in!

Why am I confused?

Didn't Assud the cannibal rabbit and Saraa, the possessed child, agree just last week that they all long for martyrdom?

They don't get martyrdom, they complain. They get martyrdom, they complain.

It's so hard to pick a gift for them.

re: #117 Van Helsing

re: #102 opnion

Thanks opnion. That's much appreciated.

Can't thank you & your son enough

re: #10 MJ

" More than half of those killed were civilians...."

Of course, the media left out this qualifier:

More than half of those killed were civilians, according to Palestinian sources.

Of course, the Paleostinians say there's no such thing as civilians when it comes to the JOOOOOOS! They're actually looking in the mirror.

#99 cookielady

They are not sitting idly by, and they did not let tyrants take over... they voted them into power and they are aiding, abetting and applauding everything they do.

Which illustrates that a moral underpinning, the Rule of [secular] Law, and respecting the rights of one's fellow citizens is sadly lacking in Paleostinian culture.

re: #104 Twilight

re: #28 tank22

2 soldiers were wounded, not killed. Though HAMass did try (20 ambushes according to them)...

I pray for the brave IDF boys. Seems to me I'll be called into reserve service tomorrow to join them.

JPost is reporting 2 IDF killed. I wish the IDF Godspeed in achieving their mission. Hopefully the leadership have the stones to go in and finish the job now.

re: #113 Maximu%uFFFD

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

Count on it!

re: #108 lurknomore

I just put that into the sidelinks. Hope you don't mind.

re: #125 tank22

re: #104 Twilight

re: #28 tank22

2 soldiers were wounded, not killed. Though HAMass did try (20 ambushes according to them)...

I pray for the brave IDF boys. Seems to me I'll be called into reserve service tomorrow to join them.

JPost is reporting 2 IDF killed. I wish the IDF Godspeed in achieving their mission. Hopefully the leadership have the stones to go in and finish the job now.

Amen brother, Bush and Rice need to step aside and let the IDF do the dirty work and clean out that nest of Vipers.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #127 abolitionist

thanks!

re: #113 Maximu§

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

You can count on it. Same for all parents of our servicemen. I love your kids almost as much as you do.

Seems like I seen that holding a baby someplace else

Hamas/ Fatah. The two parties need a two word policy from Israel:
Scorched Earth.

JWM

i don't understand why the pali's are so upset.... aren't their casualties martyrs, and therefore the luckiest of muslims?

re: #131 tblot

Seems like I seen that holding a baby someplace else

if that picture isn't posed, I don't know what is. Every hair, blanket, and prop in place and all!

Always on cnn too

Latest toll has the bodycount up to 46.

They gleefully report on babies being killed.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israeli troops backed by tanks and aircraft went after Gaza militants who bombarded southern Israel with rockets and mortars Saturday, killing 46 Palestinians in the deadliest day in Gaza since Islamic Hamas militants seized control in June.

As many as two dozen civilians died in the fighting, including at least two babies and two other children. Two Israel soldiers were also killed. Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said 160 people were wounded and 14 were in critical condition.

The intense battles pushed the Palestinian death toll to 76 since fighting flared Wednesday. About 40 of them were civilians.

Palestinians leaders called the killings "genocide" and threatened to call off peace talks with Israel.

"We tell the world, watch and judge what's happening, and judge who is committing ... terrorism," said Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Keep it up, brave Israeli freedom fighters.

re: #126 Van Helsing

re: #113 Maximu%uFFFD

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

Count on it!

Absolutely! What will he be doing?

Gotta go do yard work troops.....That overgrown grass will pay for its Insolence!

God Help Me, I used to drive a Bradley IFV and now I drive a lawnmower....:(

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #125 tank22

re: #104 Twilight

re: #28 tank22

2 soldiers were wounded, not killed. Though HAMass did try (20 ambushes according to them)...

I pray for the brave IDF boys. Seems to me I'll be called into reserve service tomorrow to join them.

JPost is reporting 2 IDF killed. I wish the IDF Godspeed in achieving their mission. Hopefully the leadership have the stones to go in and finish the job now.

IDF should kill not less than 1,000 Hamastanis for each Israeli casualty. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

re: #130 David Simon

re: #113 Maximu§

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

You can count on it. Same for all parents of our servicemen. I love your kids almost as much as you do.

Thanks so much. All of you guys here are so supportive - it's why I first joined LGF.

re: #119 mfarmer1

Funny, I was just thinking of Assud the Jew eating rabbit. It would sure be awful if the bunny of death had a close encounter with a hellfire missile.
Well, on the other hand- no it wouldn't.

JWM

Haaretz is now reporting 50 rockets have hit Ashkelon injuring 5.

re: #138 Maximu%uFFFD

Gotta go do yard work troops.....That overgrown grass will pay for its Insolence!

God Help Me, I used to drive a Bradley IFV and now I drive a lawnmower....:(

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

LOL!

We have seen the enemy, and he is grass.

re: #137 mama winger

re: #126 Van Helsing

re: #113 Maximu%uFFFD

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

Count on it!

Absolutely! What will he be doing?

He is going to be a Tanker.....the shame. I was a 19D Cavalry Scout and we had a low opinion of Tread-Heads...lol.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #144 Maximu§

He's going to outshine you, you know. Just for spite. LOL!

This might be a tad over the top, but every time I read about or see anything about the Middle East I get uneasy about an Obama presidency..
Holding a summit of Muslim leaders to let them bitch & moan, I am just guessing could send the wrong signal.

re: #109 arcatan

That is correct. But you can see this kind of behavior in every aspect of today's western world. People are into appeasement, not standing there own ground and believes.
The heart of the problem is in the definition of the job of the politicians: if in the past politicians were selected from the people and tried to push forward a national agenda, than today they are educated and bread to be such, which means no inspiration, no free thinking, and no balls. That is why we don't coup with problems... because our leaders don't know how.

#102 opnion

To you parents of our warriors, You did good!

Thanks, but it was more his decision than mine. His unit is kicking butt though.

Southern Baghdad is heating up a little. Something about some kind of fued between Sunni and Shi'a....

I see al Phaux press stressing the number of Pali civilians killed. When was the last time Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollocks went after a military target? All or over 90% of the savages casualties are Israeli civilians. That seems to be missed. Then again the IDF doesn't set up mortars and rocket launchers in schools, hospitals, or peoples houses. May God damn the media.

re: #132 JWM

Hamas/ Fatah. The two parties need a two word policy from Israel:
Scorched Earth.

JWM

Black flag.
Gaza and West will be come Israel by right of conquest.
Anyone my in the next few hours seek asylum by approaching IDF lines wearing skivvies and carrying a white flag.
Gaza and West Bank will then be cleared.
Anyone left is considered a combatant.
Anyone capture will be interned for life.

In the west they're called baby slings. In the palestinian authority they're called flak jackets.

JWM

re: #139 sparrowlake

re: #125 tank22

re: #104 Twilight

re: #28 tank22
2 soldiers were wounded, not killed. Though HAMass did try (20 ambushes according to them)...

I pray for the brave IDF boys. Seems to me I'll be called into reserve service tomorrow to join them.

JPost is reporting 2 IDF killed. I wish the IDF Godspeed in achieving their mission. Hopefully the leadership have the stones to go in and finish the job now.

IDF should kill not less than 1,000 Hamastanis for each Israeli casualty. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

1000 Hanastanis isn't even a dent. I have to agree with Maximus, clean out that nest of vipers, however many there are

re: #149 pingjockey

I see al Phaux press stressing the number of Pali civilians killed. When was the last time Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollocks went after a military target? All or over 90% of the savages casualties are Israeli civilians. That seems to be missed. Then again the IDF doesn't set up mortars and rocket launchers in schools, hospitals, or peoples houses. May God damn the media.

Well when was the last time you saw a byline from heaven? G-d has a handle on things I am sure. Must be hot down below I imagine.

#148

PIMF

"feud"

re: #145 mama winger

re: #144 Maximu§

He's going to outshine you, you know. Just for spite. LOL!

Careful Mama, I can still put you over my knee for a spanking...:)

Thanks for the prayers gang, my Mama said "say lots of prayers and God will surround our son with Angels for protection"

Im off to battle the lawn......Hooraahhh

re: #150 jcm

I agree. The only problem is that I doubt that anyone from the PA could ever be trusted. They're a nation of Gollums- alternately fawning and murderous.

JWM

But the rising tide of violence was overshadowing peace efforts.

Really? Ya think?

But then has anyone ever actually seen a "peace effort" coming from the Gazans? Thats a joke. They don't want to make peace with Israel. They much prefer being handcuffed together in a knife fight to the death.

Another form of terrorism is the selling of America to Dubai, the UAE and countries that would like to introduce Shariah law into our lives.

check out this blog, and learn by reading what they are doing.

[Link: shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com...]

Check it daily, as they are moving in on the USA with cut rates and OPEC profits fast!

re: #155 Maximu§

my Mama said "say lots of prayers and God will surround our son with Angels for protection"

You have a wise Mama.

Ashkelon is outside the range of the "metal shop" produced Kassam rockets.

The Kassam's have a range of about ten kilometers, at best.

The ex-Soviet Grad 122mm rockets have a range of up to twenty kilometers, depending on the weight of the warhead.

Egypt and Iran both produce their own versions of the Grad.

The name "Grad" actually refers to the combination truck+launcher pack used by the Soviets/Russians and means "hail".

BIG
RED
MACHINE,
R

(btw -

who has a lawn this time of year? I haven't seen the ground without snow since the end of November, and it doesn't appear I will any time soon. )

re: #138 Maximu%uFFFD
Terrible ain't it. Used to be in charge of a 10 million dollar sonar system, chase for real Russian subs, now, Hey honey the treadmill quit working can you solder it? Jeez. I'm thinking of "She wore A Yellow Ribbon" where Victor McGlaglen(sp) is calling "retirement an abuse of the taxpayers money". Retirement of old soldiers and sailors that is.

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

Now on the list. God bless you as well, Maximus!

re: #153 Nevergiveup
I'll bet ol' stan has a special place for scribblers!

re: #124 ploome hineni

Ploome, I honestly don't see how we can destroy the "ideology" of jihad without addressing the issue of islam. The whole enterprise is laid out in the koran and the hadithas, which they believe are the words of stan, that cannot be changed or altered by any human. Nor do I believe that this cult will be reformed or modified. After all, where are the moslem "moderates".
?
This will be and is a war to the death between cultures. Their goal is the destruction of Judaism, Christianity and all other religions, as well as the destruction of the West. I do not feel that the issue can be resolved except by arms.

Looks like the Gazans snuck in more than just coffee, cigarettes and flat screen TV's when they breached the border with Egypt.

re: #90 ploome hineni

re: #86 ornery elephant

thanks

I want to post it on an islamic site I sometimes visit

ploome..

It's not the one I was looking for but it does address Taliban using children as shields.

Taliban You Tube

re: #99 cookielady

re: #39 Oh no...Sand People!

The case for 'collateral damage':

If 'civilians' have been killed, let it be a lesson to the surviving as to what happens when they sit idly by the by and let evil tyrants take over.

They are not sitting idly by, and they did not let tyrants take over... they voted them into power and they are aiding, abetting and applauding everything they do.

I concede my point on all counts. You are completely right.

Paleostinian Haiku

Jihad warrior to
Whiny cry baby loser
Israel pounds you

re: #67 BabbaZee

And let's not forget PATV's lovable childrens shows with killer Mickey Mouses, Bees and Rabbits.

re: #161 mama winger

(btw -

who has a lawn this time of year? I haven't seen the ground without snow since the end of November, and it doesn't appear I will any time soon. )

I was wondering the same thing. It's freezing here and piles of snow.

re: #79 cookielady
Don't you have 'Bring your child to work' days in your state ?

Good to see that the Palis still believe in serving apprenticeships !

re: #133 redc1c4

i don't understand why the pali's are so upset.... aren't their casualties martyrs, and therefore the luckiest of muslims?

What? You expect logical thinking from Islam?

Silly infidel! ;-)

Frickin' MSM lefty goons never met murdering thugs they didn't salivate all over and portray as victims.

Note to MSM:

Hamas and Fatah are not the good guys. They are barbaric savages. Peace is not their objective. Never has been. Never will be. They are wedded to destruction.

re: #138 Maximu§

Gotta go do yard work troops.....That overgrown grass will pay for its Insolence!

God Help Me, I used to drive a Bradley IFV and now I drive a lawnmower....:(

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

Either way, you are doing clean-up work. ;-) Thank you, btw!

You have to keep reminding them that every successful Israeli airstrike was the will of Allah. All that praying 5 times a day doesn't seem to do much good when Allah keeps serving up hellfire missiles into carloads of jihadis.

re: #80 sparrowlake

IMO the Israelis should once and for all stop playing along with the "collective punishment" bullshit. They need to make it clear via official public announcements that they are in a state of war against terror and its supporters. They should make it clear that in the WOT the legitimate targets in Gaza include but are not limited to the following:
1. the rocket launch sites
2. the people who operate the rocket launchers
3. the rocket assembly sites
4. the rocket assemblers, suppliers and importers
5. the homes of the rocket launchers
8. the homes of the rocket assemblers, suppliers and importers
9. the leaders of Hamas
10. the members of Hamas
11. the offices of Hamas
12. the homes of Hamas members
13. the financial supporters of Hamas
14. the people who voted for Hamas
15. the homes and offices of the supporters of Hamas
16. the homes and offices of those who voted for Hamas
Israel will need to be strong enough to take the political heat.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Before I issue this directive to Olmert, did I forget anything?

Until the Palestinian find leaders that are more like Gandhi and less like Genghis, they will be stuck in this cycle. Look for their Arab "brothers" to keep them in perma-victim status so they can roll them out when needed to show how bad Israel is (then push them back into the hell hole they prefer them to be kept in).

If you get the Pentagon Channel on your cable systems. They are airing the Christening of the USS New York right now live in Louisiana.

re: #149 pingjockey

I see al Phaux press stressing the number of Pali civilians killed. When was the last time Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollocks went after a military target? All or over 90% of the savages casualties are Israeli civilians. That seems to be missed. Then again the IDF doesn't set up mortars and rocket launchers in schools, hospitals, or peoples houses. May God damn the media.

He already has. Liars have their place in the lake of fire for eternity.

And the media immediately start propagandizing for all they’re worth.

I wish it were only the media that propagandizes this bankrupt situation. It would be a lot less painful indeed.

Having said that, the media delivers the message even when they distort it. Even when they distort it on purpose for their own purposes. Yet we always seem to forget in this nasty equation who who is the messenger?

And no, I am not forgiving of the MSM. I just hold the powers that be who make false promises and pretend to be something they are not. All the white paint and spray jobs in the world can not cover for the those who claim to be someone they are not. (this goes both ways to the white paint appliers and their false intent)

I find it quite appalling in this season of slamming the other guy that our guy could ever claim Abbas is a man of peace and do so with a straight face. Sooner or later the white paint wears off and the shada upon Israel is revealed for all of history.

Abbas claims 'IDF op worse than holocaust' because he can. Simply as that.

Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]
New Abbas / Fatah Poster Shows Israel As Palestine, Next To Rifle And Arafat

[Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]
Abbas: We May Return To Armed Struggle -- I Taught Resistance To Hizbullah

[Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]
Palestinian PM Fayyad Refuses To Answer Question About PA's Honoring Terrorist Habash & PA/Fatah Poster Erasing Israel

President Bush Again Praises PA's Abbas For "Confronting" Terror While Abbas Declares Death Of Terrorist Chief Habash As A "Great Loss"
[Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]

[Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]
ZOA Criticizes President Bush's Interference In Internal Israeli Political Process (Take good care of Olmert)

[Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]
ZOA Opposes Bush Administration Considering Supporting PA's Quest To Avoid Millions In Damages To American Victims Of Palestinian Terrorism

Last. Bush calls Egypt a good friend of the US and ally in the war on terror...([Link: [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]...]

Egypt has allowed thousands upon thousands of weapons tunnels dug from their soil which has brought pain, suffering, death and terror to Israel and for that are called a good friend and ally in the war on terror!

[Link: [Link: www.zoa.org...]...]
Egypt Permitting Gaza Terrorists To Go Abroad For Training

I've just read that some Grad rockets fell on an Ashkelon shopping center and set it on fire. Idon't know if there were any injuries or deaths - I pray there weren't.

Now, if Al Qaeda did the same to a Southern California shopping center - lobbed some missiles at a Home Depot/Bed Bath & Beyond/Von's/Big 5 Sporting Goods - don't you think the response from the Marine Corps would be (rightly) crushing and insanely disproportionate?

WTF is wrong with the Israeli leadership?

GAZA DELENDA EST

re: #179 sparrowlake

How about the teachers indoctrinating the children. and the Imams spewing hatred.

Bulldoze it. Fumigate it.
pave it over into a parking lot.
Put up a wal mart

/the shug accords for Gaza

MSM (BBC, Reuters, AP) shills for Hamas (look at the names of article authors). How is Israel supposed to fight this? Any suggestions?

Hey, Palis I've got a deal.

We'll give you a state. In five years. During that 5 years if one round of anything crosses into Israel deals off. Your become a free fire zone for the IDF.

All the speakers at the Christening of the USS New York are either in Uniform or wearing American Flag Pins on their chests. I guess Obama couldn't make it.

re: #126 Van Helsing

re: #113 Maximu%uFFFD

My boy ships off to Fort Knox in August....Please keep him in your prayers fellow Lizards.

Count on it!

Here's hoping that they will have a top-notch commander-in-chief.

re: #170 Oh no...Sand People!

{Oh no...Sand People!}

We are definitely on the same side!

re: #187 Shug

Bulldoze it. Fumigate it.
pave it over into a parking lot.
Put up a wal mart

/the shug accords for Gaza

WalMart is over the line. Costco, maybe more politically correct. ;-P

re: #174 pass the moonbaticide

re: #79 cookielady
Don't you have 'Bring your child to work' days in your state ?

Good to see that the Palis still believe in serving apprenticeships !

Bwah!

The difference is, when I bring my children to work, they just join me in the kitchen! ;-)

re: #164 ploome hineni

Egypt our good friend and ally in the war on terror?

I just spoke to that in #184

What y'all say.

This is why 2,000 bombs were invented, I don't know what is going on that this is not the primary weapon used by Israel in response.

re: #193 jcm

re: #187 Shug

Bulldoze it. Fumigate it.
pave it over into a parking lot.
Put up a wal mart

/the shug accords for Gaza

WalMart is over the line. Costco, maybe more politically correct. ;-P

Casinos. Lots and lots of casinos.

re: #184 selpaw

BAM!

Mwah!

re: #192 cookielady

re: #170 Oh no...Sand People!

{Oh no...Sand People!}

We are definitely on the same side!

My mistake was thinking that the 'people' were just oblivious...well, they are oblivious to sanity, but my premise was on an entirely wrong foundation which you clarified with a way stronger argument.:)

re: #185 Li'l Mamzer

I've just read that some Grad rockets fell on an Ashkelon shopping center and set it on fire. Idon't know if there were any injuries or deaths - I pray there weren't.

Now, if Al Qaeda did the same to a Southern California shopping center - lobbed some missiles at a Home Depot/Bed Bath & Beyond/Von's/Big 5 Sporting Goods - don't you think the response from the Marine Corps would be (rightly) crushing and insanely disproportionate?

WTF is wrong with the Israeli leadership?

GAZA DELENDA EST

Nope. They trying to kick all the Marines out of S. Cal.

Wee-oo wee-oo!

You're going to need to refresh your page, folks...

re: #190 Nevergiveup

All the speakers at the Christening of the USS New York are either in Uniform or wearing American Flag Pins on their chests. I guess Obama couldn't make it.

USS New York LPD-21, has the slogan "Never Forget." BHO has forgotten.

The previous USS New York BB-34 had it's keel laid on Sept. 11, 1911.

re: #201 Charles

I was wonderin'.

re: #197 tank22

With lots of skin in the shows.

re: #190 Nevergiveup

Where are you seeing it?

re: #204 jcm

Lots and lots of infidel skin

Got to start cleaning. Bye folks.

Palestinian infant mortality and life expectancy highest in the arab world. We Jews can't even get a good genocide right. You'd think we know how to do it, after being on the receiving end, but nope, we don't.

re: #180 Desert Dog

Until the Palestinian find leaders that are more like Gandhi

You have to admit, they've got the hating Jews thing down pat.

re: #193 jcm

re: #187 Shug

Bulldoze it. Fumigate it.
pave it over into a parking lot.
Put up a wal mart

/the shug accords for Gaza

WalMart is over the line. Costco, maybe more politically correct. ;-P

The gates of the old city are sometimes named for were they point. Such as Damascus gate towards Damascus , Jaffa gate towards Jaffa before it morphed into Tel Aviv. Well the gate facing south is called Dung gate, because that is were people their garbage out of. So since it points towards Gaza, lets make it a Dung heap. Oh, sorry it already is.

The so-called Palestinians are content with their lot, actually. Everywhere they live is a sh*thole, which they dutifully blame on Israel. Then they teach their children to hate Israel, destroy it, etc., and the whole thing becomes a nice little vicious cultural circle, legitimated and reinforced by the Koran.

They have no interest whatsoever in setting up a functional "state." All they want is to subjugate the Jews, make them do all the work, and sit on their Allah-approved ottomans and smoke hookahs, all the while talking dirt about women and fornicating among themselves. It's the earthly paradise. Naturally, the sport will then move to bombing the snot out of Lebanon.

The main problem is sexual reproduction. If the Dwellers of Gaza did not reproduce so much, we could kill off their young jihadi men, thereby reduce their ability to spawn more potential bombers and breeders, and generally make anti-Israel jihad a dead end. Then maybe a thus-weeded and de-fanged Gazan population might be accepted back by Egypt, whence they came.

All this nonsense about state-building utterly misses the point.

Israeli troops, backed by tanks and aircraft, went after militants who bombarded southern Israeli communities near Gaza with rockets and mortars. The 35 deaths pushed the Palestinian death toll to 65 since fighting flared Wednesday. More than half of those killed were civilians.

You people got it all wrong
Just ask any democrat
The people killed were not wearing uniforms or were not part of any army
War has not officially been declared
So when the EVIL Jooooooosssss retaliate that means they are the aggressors !
When any country except Israel and the United States defends itself it is justifiable

All you Islamic Racist need to learn that !
I hope all of you got that straight now
Don't make me tell you again

/SARC
Do I need to add /sarc?

Uh, how are Fatah and Hamas "pretending" to be enemies?

If I remember correctly, a bunch of Fatah members got thrown off buildings by Hamas goons. I'd wager that they aren't friends.

They might see Israel as the common enemy, but they hate each other, too.

re: #205 mama winger

Pentagon channel

The problem, I think, is the limited nature of the Israeli response. I think the response should be completely insanely agressive and destructive. 25 civilians? Make it 25,000 and then say, listen up bitch, one more missile and it'll be 50,000, and we'll double it everytime we get attacked.

re: #214 Nevergiveup

There's a pentagon channel?

re: #197 tank22

Casinos. Lots and lots of casinos.

Before the stupidfada began, the Oasis casino in Jericho (West Bank) did brisk business. The Palesimians fucked that up like they do everything else.

re: #216 mama winger

Depends on your cable sytem, but yes. Fios has it. A shame it is not on Fox live.

re: #215 kansas

King Saul killed thousands.
King David killed tens of thousands.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

They actually want reoccupation. They really do. It would give them a whole new lease on justifying 'resistance', by blowing up Israeli civilians, because, when you are a genocidal weapon designed to look, superficially, like a 'culture', or 'a people', that is want you need to do.

Media bias?
Look at the way the battles are always reported

1.

An Israeli medic attends to a man after a rocket fired by Palestinian militants in Gaza landed in the coastal city of Ashkelon March 1, 2008.

2.

Palestinians mourn beside the bodies of Palestinians who were killed during an Israeli airstrike

.

When palestinians attack, it's never palestinians. Always Militants. ( just a few bad apples )And it's never the Militants even to be blamed. It's the rocket.

When Israelis fight back, it's always Israelis ( cuz, you know they're all bad ) attacking. An Israeli attack. An Israeli airstike.

re: #211 godfrey

A very prominent Imam told Kahane in 1974:

Our wombs are bombs. We will birth you out of existence.

kaboom

It ceased being surprising a long time ago to see the AP siding with genocidal terrorists and spreading their propaganda around... But it still never fails to make me wish we still stretched the necks of the "Lord Haw-Haws" of the world.

re: #215 kansas

I'm wondering how large a response Israel could make before diminishing returns kick in. So far, the Israeli government earns tremendous respect from me for its very precise and lethal responses, but I'm not sure what that really gets Israel. It's not like Western governments are "warming up to it more" because it targets and limits its retaliations so effectively.

The Iranian news agency Irna reported Saturday that Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Mohammad-Ali Husseini condemned IDF operations in Gaza, and stated that the West should “not remain silent” in wake of Israel’s “relentless” and “inhumane” actions.

“Silence allows Israel to continue butchering the helpless Palestinian people,” said Ali Husseini. (Dudi Cohen)

Iranian Whining 3...2...1

re: #221 Shug

He who controls language controls thought.

re: #220 Maine's Michael

And it's interesting that Pali "culture" is very effectively communicated in almost exclusively the terms of mourning. They are always presented as lamenting something. When was the last time you ever heard a report about some other aspect of "Palestinian" culture? You haven't.

Palestinian culture is a myth. What exists is "Palestinian grievance theater."

re: #188 attributor

How is Israel supposed to fight this? Any suggestions?

see here

read Column One...The curse of the moderates

THE MOST striking example of this post-September 11 American penchant for choosing its allies unwisely is the Bush administration's embrace of Fatah in the Palestinian Authority.

The Palestinian example stands out because while the US may have strategic interests in Egypt and Saudi Arabia that as in Pakistan make it leery of muddying the political waters with liberalism too aggressively, no such interests exist in the PA. The Palestinians do not have oil, a large, US-trained army, or nuclear bombs to threaten US interests with. And in Israel, the US has a strong, loyal, democratic ally with the means to combat Palestinian jihadists. And yet, rather than turn its back on Fatah, the US has lavishly supported it politically and financially, and has trained Fatah militias while opposing any Israeli military plan to defeat Fatah on the military or political battlefields. And like the US's support for Musharraf, the US's support for Fatah has come back to haunt it and will continue to haunt it in the future.

Just as the Clinton administration upheld Yasser Arafat even as he built his terror armies while negotiating with Israel, so the Bush administration upholds Fatah leader and PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas as he follows in Arafat's footsteps. Like Arafat, Abbas is a master of double-speak. While waxing poetic about his yearning for peace in his talks with Israelis and Americans, inside the PA he supports terrorists, and in addresses to Arab audiences he explains that he shares the terrorists' strategic goal of destroying Israel.

On Thursday, Jordan's Al-Dustur daily ran an interview with Abbas. There the supposedly moderate Palestinian leader and US ally in the war on terror made clear his support for jihadists and their goal of destroying Israel. Abbas boasted about his refusal at the Annapolis conference last November to accept Israel's Jewish identity. He argued that the only difference he has with Hamas - which he hopes will join Fatah in a unity government - is that he thinks that the use of violence against Israel is counterproductive today. As he put it, "At this present juncture, I am opposed to armed struggle because we cannot succeed in it, but maybe in the future things will be different."

Abbas bragged about his role as a terrorist in the 1960s and about Fatah's role as the founding father of modern terrorism. In his words, "We [Fatah] had the honor of leading the resistance and we taught resistance to everyone, including Hizbullah, who trained in our military camps."

In 2002, President George W. Bush nearly ended US support for Fatah when he essentially ordered the Palestinians to end their support for terror and liberalize their society. His words were met with jubilation not only by Israelis but by many Palestinians who had been suffering under the terrorists' jackboot since Arafat established the PA in 1994. And yet, rather than implement his stated policy and empower those Palestinians who shared his opposition to jihad, Bush turned his back on them, pretended that Abbas was a liberal reformer and embraced him as a US ally.

This month, a remarkable article was published in The Wall Street Journal. Co-authored by Natan Sharansky and Palestinian human rights activist Bassam Eid, the article chided Bush for his insistence on supporting Fatah. THE MOST striking example of this post-September 11 American penchant for choosing its allies unwisely is the Bush administration's embrace of Fatah in the Palestinian Authority.

re: #198 BabbaZee

; -)

Like Arafat, Abbas is a master of double-speak. While waxing poetic about his yearning for peace in his talks with Israelis and Americans, inside the PA he supports terrorists, and in addresses to Arab audiences he explains that he shares the terrorists' strategic goal of destroying Israel.

Sounds like Tariq Ramadan.

They were given land and did not even pretend to try to build a state. They neglected their economy and built a platform for terrorism and did everything in their power to kill Jews any way they could.

They illegally seized power and they violate international law every day.

Israel did everything they could to get them to stop. Hamas escalated. They brought in Iranian and al Qaeda people (if Israel catches any of these folks they should be executed on the spot as spies). They busted down the border with Egypt to get in more long range rockets and terrorists. they conducted themselves with a lawlessness known only in the world two other worse shit holes: Somalia and Sudan.

They all but exterminated the Christians in Gaza and their rockets began pouring into Ashkelon over the last few days. Sderot is a small town but Ashkelon is an important city and the rockets were the final straw.

Die Hamas. Die. You are criminal lying genocidal murderers and the only thing for your is to die. It is what you want. Jihad is your way so when your bullet comes, we both get the paradise you want, you get your idea of whatever is in the next world for you and I get this world without you in it.

No going back now. Go all the way Israel. Rip apart this republic of the misbegotten and be done with it. Believe it or not the Germans were a lot politer after May 8th 1945. The Palestinians desperately need the greatest of all lessons: complete and utter to defeat. Only when they are forced to kneel in defeat do castles of horse manure that are the foundations stones of their propaganda crash down on their heads and force them to change.

The Palestinians ran their lives like drunks. They had blasted ahead heedless of the costs to themselves much less others and now the reckoning is at hand.

Memo to Ehud Barak: finish them.

re: #220 Maine's Michael

I have a confession: t truly think that GWB's long-term plan is for Palestinian statehood so that Israel can officially declare war and be done with it.

re: #227 BabbaZee

He who controls language controls thought.

Like a pest control person controls pests.

Jihadi gets small cut, wets pants.....
Yahoo pic

re: #219 sparrowlake

"As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,

With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,

Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:

To be a free people in our land,

The land of Zion and Jerusalem."

"Kol ode balevav
P'nimah -

Nefesh Yehudi homiyah

Ulfa'atey mizrach kadimah
Ayin l'tzion tzofiyah.

Ode lo avdah tikvatenu
Hatikvah bat shnot alpayim:

L'hiyot am chofshi b'artzenu -
Eretz Tzion v'Yerushalayim."

re: #213 Brinks

Uh, how are Fatah and Hamas "pretending" to be enemies?

If I remember correctly, a bunch of Fatah members got thrown off buildings by Hamas goons. I'd wager that they aren't friends.

They might see Israel as the common enemy, but they hate each other, too.

You have a better explanation for Fatah complaining?

re: #234 goddessoftheclassroom

I used to think that when Sharon was alive,
that this was the plan

I no longer think that

/yes I know he is supposedly still "alive"

re: #235 zmdavid

yes, there are always those who scurry away
ya never get 'em all

;~}

re: #232 ploome hineni

Any faithful Muslim, that is. It occurs to me that some lefty intellectuals want to believe in the existence of 'moderate Muslims' because (true to form), they see in that conception a mirror image of themselves. It's a form of narcissim. The 'moderate Muslim intellectual' is the only salvation they can see, because they see themselves as the only salvation -- merely in another sphere.

Feh.

re: #226 ploome hineni

Yes to non-stop targeted killings. Unfortunately, not enough real estate for a buffer zone. Gotta wipe Hamas out, reoccupy Gaza, and then announce readiness to negotiate a 2 state solution on Israel's terms -tell them take it or leave it and if they don't agree then proceed with formal annexation. EIE.

Hm, no mention of all of the rockets that have been raining into Israel for how many years now? Sorry, not going to shed any tears for the Palestinians after they elected Hamas to power and have been more than happy to go along with all of the actions that Hamas engages in. You reap what you sow.

They'll never get us all.

MOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #238 rightymouse

Yeah, I do actually. They're pissed off that ordinary Palestinians are being killed along with the Hamas terrorists. They'd probably love it if Israel took out Hamas and they could regain power in Gaza.

re: #180 Desert Dog

Until the Palestinian find leaders that are more like Gandhi and less like Genghis, they will be stuck in this cycle. Look for their Arab "brothers" to keep them in perma-victim status so they can roll them out when needed to show how bad Israel is (then push them back into the hell hole they prefer them to be kept in).

This Gandhi?

."What about the Jews? Are you prepared to see them exterminated? If not, how do you propose to save them without resorting to war?" I must say that I have never heard, from any Western pacifist, an honest answer to this question, though I have heard plenty of evasions, usually of the "you're another" type. But it so happens that Gandhi was asked a somewhat similar question in 1938 and that his answer is on record in Mr. Louis Fischer's GANDHI AND STALIN. According to Mr. Fischer, Gandhi's view was that the German Jews ought to commit collective suicide, which "would have aroused the world and the people of Germany to Hitler's violence." After the war he justified himself: the Jews had been killed anyway, and might as well have died significantly.

Reflections of Ghandi - Essay by George Orwell

re: #245 Brinks

Yeah, I do actually. They're pissed off that ordinary Palestinians are being killed along with the Hamas terrorists. They'd probably love it if Israel took out Hamas and they could regain power in Gaza.

Why can't Fatah deal with Hamas on their own? Why is it up to Israel?

Can someone tell me why more Israelis aren't more hawkish?

They aren't "rockets." Rockets are little cardboard things you buy from Estes and shoot up into the sky above a little green pasture. The Qassam's are missiles. Military things. Designed to kill, kill, kill.

But don't correct Mahmoud's stringer copy, AP. Nooo. That would be insensitive.

re: #247 rightymouse

re: #245 Brinks

Why can't Fatah deal with Hamas on their own? Why is it up to Israel?

I think they've lost most of their power in the past few years, especially in Gaza, obviously. If they tried to crack down on Hamas in the West Bank they'd likely lose. That would mean the end of Fatah altogether.

Of course, they have no excuse for not taking them on 10 years ago when they had the ability.

re: #248 godfrey

I think because they've been at this for a very long time and there's been no improvement. I guess people get tired and think maybe a change in tactics is worth considering. Also there's really not much room for escalation. They can get more aggressive but there's no realistic military solution without cooperation from the Palestinians.

re: #249 godfrey

They aren't "rockets." Rockets are little cardboard things you buy from Estes and shoot up into the sky above a little green pasture. The Qassam's are missiles. Military things. Designed to kill, kill, kill.

But don't correct Mahmoud's stringer copy, AP. Nooo. That would be insensitive.

Not to defend Mahmoud or anything, but Qassams are indeed rockets. A rocket is a vehicle propelled by an engine. A missile is any object flying through the air (e.g. even a rock).

This may have been commented on earlier:

"Chief Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qureia said Palestinian leaders, including President Mahmoud Abbas, recommended suspending peace talks at a meeting Saturday in the West Bank town of Ramallah."

Maybe they can recommend a suspension of the daily rocket attacks.

re: #248 godfrey

Can someone tell me why more Israelis aren't more hawkish?

Many are hawkish, but they realize the implications of a massive invasion of Gaza. It would probably mean calling in the reserves, which would result in many husbands and fathers getting killed along with 20-year old conscripts. If the invasion doesn't halt the rocket fire, their sacrifice will have been almost for nothing.

re: #252 Brinks

In any other area of communication, I'd agree with your precision.

re: #250 Brinks

I think they've lost most of their power in the past few years, especially in Gaza, obviously. If they tried to crack down on Hamas in the West Bank they'd likely lose. That would mean the end of Fatah altogether.

Of course, they have no excuse for not taking them on 10 years ago when they had the ability.

So they need each other. Even if it's pretend.

re: #253 rwmofo

It is Olmert who should actually suspend the talks.

re: #256 rightymouse

So they need each other. Even if it's pretend.

I think Fatah wants a weak Hamas that can bleed Israel while they pretend to negotiate. I don't think they want or need a Hamas that can render them completely powerless.

re: #254 Brinks

How much would it cost to raze Gaza completely to the sand?

re: #258 Brinks

Together, they can good cop, bad cop the world all day.

re: #259 godfrey

re: #254 Brinks

How much would it cost to raze Gaza completely to the sand?

That's the thing. Let's say the IAF carpet-bombed the strip, hoping to force a surrender. Hamas would go underground and the civilians would bear the brunt of it. The US would put heavy pressure on Israel to stop, and in any case, the terrorists would still be able to launch rockets at Israel.

The only options to end the rockets completely would be to invade and completely re-occupy the strip, or expel the population. Neither are realistic options.