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Society of Professional Journalists Advocates Whitewashing Islam

Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:30:45 pm PST

If you’ve wondered why so many mainstream media stories about Islamic issues omit important details and draw spurious morally equivalent conclusions, wonder no more. They’re doing it on purpose.

This was apparently released by the Society of Professional Journalists shortly after the 9/11 attacks: Guidelines for Countering Racial, Ethnic and Religious Profiling.

On Oct. 6 at its National Convention in Seattle, the Society of Professional Journalists passed a resolution urging members and fellow journalists to take steps against racial profiling in their coverage of the war on terrorism and to reaffirm their commitment to:

— Use language that is informative and not inflammatory;

— Portray Muslims, Arabs and Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans in the richness of their diverse experiences;

— Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Guidelines

Visual images

— Seek out people from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds when photographing Americans mourning those lost in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

— Seek out people from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds when photographing rescue and other public service workers and military personnel.

— Do not represent Arab Americans and Muslims as monolithic groups. Avoid conveying the impression that all Arab Americans and Muslims wear traditional clothing.

— Use photos and features to demystify veils, turbans and other cultural articles and customs.

Stories

— Seek out and include Arabs and Arab Americans, Muslims, South Asians and men and women of Middle Eastern descent in all stories about the war, not just those about Arab and Muslim communities or racial profiling.

— Cover the victims of harassment, murder and other hate crimes as thoroughly as you cover the victims of overt terrorist attacks.

— Make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.

— Seek out experts on military strategies, public safety, diplomacy, economics and other pertinent topics who run the spectrum of race, class, gender and geography.

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

— Do not imply that kneeling on the floor praying, listening to Arabic music or reciting from the Quran are peculiar activities.

— When describing Islam, keep in mind there are large populations of Muslims around the world, including in Africa, Asia, Canada, Europe, India and the United States. Distinguish between various Muslim states; do not lump them together as in constructions such as “the fury of the Muslim world.”

— Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity. Be specific: Alternate choices, depending on context, include “Al Qaeda terrorists” or, to describe the broad range of groups involved in Islamic politics, “political Islamists.” Do not use religious characterizations as shorthand when geographic, political, socioeconomic or other distinctions might be more accurate.

— Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

— Consult the Library of Congress guide for transliteration of Arabic names and Muslim or Arab words to the Roman alphabet. Use spellings preferred by the American Muslim Council, including “Muhammad,” “Quran,” and “Makkah,” not “Mecca.”

— Regularly seek out a variety of perspectives for your opinion pieces. Check your coverage against the five Maynard Institute for Journalism Education fault lines of race and ethnicity, class, geography, gender and generation.

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:32:06pm
2 rawmuse  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:32:27pm

Don't use phrases like "I KEEEEEEEL YOU!"

3 Alouette  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:32:58pm

Well, it's either that or get beheaded.

4 Shug  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:34:04pm

In short, Lie

5 exlnghrn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:34:09pm

Sounds like a certain someone in St. Louis read these guidelines at the journalism madrassah before he wrote about LGF.

So, is Achmed the Dead Terrorist a good source to interview?

6 Alouette  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:34:33pm
The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

Shouldn't they first be educating all the ignorant Mohammedans who believe it means "KILL INFIDELS"?

7 pat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:35:03pm

Seek all who know nothing. Avoid all who know the truth.

8 BabbaZee  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:35:15pm

Verily.

He who controls language controls thought.

Told yez.

G'night.

9 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:35:52pm

What a bunch of hooie. Why not just try telling ..the truth. When did that ever serve anyone wrong?

10 pat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:35:54pm

All of you bloggers should repost this story. The cover up of the century.

11 jcm  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:36:27pm

The media's surrender declaration.

12 Shug  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:36:42pm
Portray Muslims, Arabs and Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans in the richness of their diverse experiences

Rich experiences like turning off transponders and aiming for Manhattan ?

13 DesertSage  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:36:44pm
— Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity.

How 'bout Islamo-facists?

14 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:08pm
— Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

Did Hoopie-the-shit-slinging monkey help write these guidelines?

15 toxman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:16pm

Jee
What would reporting be like if they gave Christians and Jews the same consideration?

just wonderin'

16 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:19pm

OT

This just in from the Democratic Party:

Dear (Name),

John McCain formally won the Republican nomination last night. So what did he do today? He didn't meet with voters, didn't take a break, didn't even attack our candidates -- he headed to the White House to stand with George W. Bush.

There's no question that George Bush knows that John McCain will pick up where he leaves off. Make no mistake, McCain is the closest Bush will have to a third term, and the White House will do anything to get him elected.

In fact, they're so similar, John McCain had little to say -- George Bush did most of the talking for both of them.

He even suggested that McCain doesn't represent change, saying that it's something candidates have to run on because it's what the American people want to hear. Once again, McCain and Bush are both telling the American people what they want to hear, rather than the truth.

It's frightening how much George Bush likes John McCain, and it should tell you all you need to know.

We've had a few late nights around here, and I'm sure we'll have a few more. We're working non-stop to beat John McCain and George Bush. Now that McCain is formally the Republican nominee, he has the Republican establishment lined up firmly behind him.

We need your help (Name). While Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama continue their campaign, we have to be focused on John McCain. We can't afford to let him get ahead:

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

Governor Dean will be in touch soon, but I wanted to send you a note right away. This election is just too important to let John McCain and George Bush get a head start.

Tom McMahon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

17 jcm  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:33pm

OT (from last thread)

Five charged in Evergreen State College riot (St. Pancakes alma mater).

OLYMPIA - Five people have been charged with felonies in connection with the riot at Evergreen State College in Olympia last month.
18 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:34pm
19 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:41pm

Well, now we see we haven't been wrong about the MSM bias. There it is in full print to view.

20 laZardo  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:37:44pm
Cover the victims of harassment, murder and other hate crimes as thoroughly at least as much as you cover the victims of overt terrorist attacks.

Fixed.

21 pat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:38:09pm

re: #11 jcm

The media's surrender declaration.

I don't think so. Rather it is an attempt to conquer the American spirit by the embrace of PC. And I bet you anything this was authored by a Muslim.

22 TheLostUniversity  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:38:42pm

I miss the good ol' days when hardbitten gumshoe journos broke the backs of the gangster types, instead of playing broke-back with 'em.
.......Whaddya mean "when was that"? You know, like back in the days of Reed or Durand or...... oh, never mind :(

23 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:38:44pm
— Do not imply that kneeling on the floor praying, listening to Arabic music or reciting from the Quran are peculiar activities.

They ARE peculiar since they are done by one set of people. If everyone did these things, they would not be peculiar.

24 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:38:50pm

re: #14 MandyManners

— Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

Did Hoopie-the-shit-slinging monkey help write these guidelines?

there's that 'you can't say it unless you speak the language fluently' guideline...

25 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:38:57pm

More proof that the Lame Stream Media is little more then propaganda.
Who would have thunk it?

26 jcm  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:39:48pm
27 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:40:10pm

Hey! They're talking in manner my nic can surely understand!

28 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:40:17pm

there's a Syrian-import NICE babe works down at the local supermarket.
I'd talk to her more but.. just can't bring myself to it in this day and age.

/must be predjudiced

29 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:04pm

What kind of twit would put up with these 'guidelines'?

What happened to calling it as you see it?

Isn't that how you arrive at truth?

30 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:04pm

re: #24 jaunte

I wonder when someone will show up to tell us how wrong we are. The commute from Mount Olympus must be tough tonight.

31 seekeroftruth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:07pm

Wow. I can see trying not to inflame things immediately after 9/11, but this is way too far.
No wonder people have forgotten 9/11 - our media won't even allow themselves to say who the enemy is.
Nor will they report what is happening around the world or in our own country accurately........
..... no wonder we all have to find what is happening in the US of A from foreign papers.

32 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #16 Ojoe

Thing is that tripe'll work on a whole lotta L3 types.

33 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:43pm

I just left a message and I pointed out that their diversity manifest is in direct violation of their code of ethics.

34 Shug  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:49pm

When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity--even if they are not involved

35 Jeffrey Nihart  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:41:59pm

So when do I get my camel/goat and unlimited oil checks to abuse women and children?

When can I claim to be a victim of American oppression and have the UN SUCK ON MY MANHOOD?

Jeffrey Nihart

36 laZardo  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:42:02pm
Make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.

Racism?

37 VegasRick  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:42:13pm

That might be a little harder to do without renaming some of the groups.

38 snowcrash  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:42:22pm

Sounds like a satirical article from The Onion.

39 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:42:36pm
40 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:42:39pm

We should not make light of this document, it is the recipe for the end of our nation. We here at LGF always knew about this, but to those who are un-informed and get their news from the MSM, this is proof that they have been lied to for the last 7 years.

Print it and show all of your non-believer friends.

41 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:43:09pm

I can somewhat agree on standardizing the spelling of names.

42 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:43:32pm

I'd say the media is the enemy, but we already knew that.

Just never imagined how nakedly craven it would get.

43 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:43:32pm
Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

The complexities?

Like "fire has never melted steel" and "9/11 was an inside job"?

44 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:43:39pm

re: #30 MandyManners

re: #24 jaunte

I wonder when someone will show up to tell us how wrong we are. The commute from Mount Olympus must be tough tonight.

Wishing for bad luck? (last-word enthusiasts usually show up late)

45 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:43:59pm

re: #21 pat

re: #11 jcm
The media's surrender declaration.

I don't think so. Rather it is an attempt to conquer the American spirit by the embrace of PC. And I bet you anything this was authored by a Muslim.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Wake up! This is how the spineless political correct crowd thinks.

46 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:44:24pm

— Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

Must have just gotten lost in translation.

47 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:44:39pm

Anyway time to sign off for the day. :(
Won't be getting any fruitcup tomorrow. Take care all.

48 exlnghrn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:44:45pm

Does this mean a certain picture of Barry O'Bama?

re: #36 laZardo

49 TheCorruptedLamb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:01pm

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions

Can I be targeted, oh, wait, we already are!

50 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:15pm

Portray Muslims, Arabs and Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans in the richness of their diverse experiences;

honor killing, sawing off heads with butter knifes, wearing petn undies and det cord necklaces....

51 jcm  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:17pm

re: #41 MandyManners

I can somewhat agree on standardizing the spelling of names.

TARGET

That's how I'd spell it.
/

52 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:21pm

re: #44 jaunte

re: #30 MandyManners


re: #24 jaunte

I wonder when someone will show up to tell us how wrong we are. The commute from Mount Olympus must be tough tonight.


Wishing for bad luck? (last-word enthusiasts usually show up late)

Maybe my GAZE technique has grown rusty the past few hours.

53 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:22pm

re: #4 Shug

In short, Lie

No surprise there, if they're not shilling for libs they're shilling for the poor jihadis

54 shibumi  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:29pm

Oh, there's nothing to worry about here. This is the Society of Professional Journalists. Once you discount the layoffs and the plagiarists, that's like what, 9 people? Seven of those were at the bar during the convention, while the other two were busy using black light/infrared to check for semen stains on their hotel room comforters.

On the positive side, any hard copies of the Guidelines that were actually distribute have already been recycled as per Al Gore's Church of Gia.

55 vinny  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:45:38pm

I skipped over most of this crap and paused for a moment at the last recommendation:
"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."

This is why we have hamas and hezbollah propaganda being passed off in MSM. Only propaganda can result from someone following this recommendation.

I hope some reporter from a major newspaper reads my post and my message is directed to you: You are directly aiding those who seek to blow up your children.

56 laZardo  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:06pm

re: #48 exlnghrn

Which one?

/IMHO, prefers the throbbing GIF

57 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:16pm

re: #32 Capitalist Tool

Tripe it is. When I read it, I think: "Get a Life".

Notice that in the whole letter, there is NO substantive discussion on real ways to make life better for all the people in our country.

58 zombie  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:27pm

re: #2 rawmuse

Don't use phrases like "I KEEEEEEEL YOU!"

LOL!

59 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:31pm

Oddly enough, I don't see Tim Townsend listed on the Diversity Committee.

60 pat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:37pm

The Jewish , Christian, Hindu, and Buddhists reporting standards will be forthcoming. Meanwhile slander them all you want.

61 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:39pm
Make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.

"...and that was the white man's view of Cloverfield. Now here is a brown-skinned man to tell you what he thought of it."

62 gfinoaktown  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:47pm

—If the Muslim in question turns out the really be a Jew, fuck the money-grubbing bastard and be sure to mention how they lead us into a quagmire in Iraq and are rumbling for war in Iran (that's the good media rule #47).

63 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:46:48pm

The whole thing sounds like it was written by some NEA dipshit.

64 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:12pm

re: #20 laZardo

Cover the victims of harassment, murder and other hate crimes as thoroughly at least as much as you cover the victims of overt terrorist attacks.

Fixed.

Nah, should read MORE THAN, and make sure that harassment is defined as broadly as the "victim" would like.

65 TheCorruptedLamb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:17pm

re: #54 shibumi

Shibumi, by the way I loved "Incident at 20 Mile"...

66 pat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:31pm

re: #45 Peter Verkooijen

I stick with what I said. I am guessing they went to a Muslim to draft these.

67 vinny  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:45pm

I guess they should change their name to society of bullshit

68 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:49pm
Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Nothing complex there. Murderous barbaric Islamic thugs brought on the murder of three thousand people and forever stained their religious affiliation. F**k'em.

69 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:52pm
— Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

Well, lemme' think about this. Blowing up things and people *is* for the betterment of Islam since the goal is to drag us all into the death cult, and blowing yourself up while doing so is for the betterment of the jihadi--all those loverly virgins.

70 snowcrash  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:54pm

Tim Townsend lives by these rules. (Hope I got the name right).

71 laZardo  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:47:57pm

It's funny (in a growlingly angry sort of way) how the moonbats whine on about all these "stories" that should be shown to "shine a light on THESS ISSUES!11" but when the real issues rear their ugly heads, they best prefer to let it die.

So much for citizen journalism.

72 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:00pm

re: #46 Capitalist Tool

Was this edited out of the final document?

Be cautious with phrases that might be confused between cultures.
'Working on my swing' has traditionally meant something different to people practicing jihad, than what it has meant for those interested in recent Scottish culture.
73 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:08pm

So why is this news breaking now, six years later?

74 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:24pm

So, they've got guidelines that go out of the way to completely ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room - the fact that Islamists do push jihad and seek to enslave or kill infidels and those who don't follow Islamic law the way they do.

That's fine. They have their rules.

We have ours.

We expose this kind of nonsense for what it is. It's dangerous to purposefully whitewash the facts and backstory about the Islamists and what they want to do. It's dangerous to ignore groups like CAIR.

Of course, this also violates their code of ethics, which contains among other items:

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.

— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.

How many times have we seen one or the other, or both, violated when it comes to talking about the Islamists?

It wasn't all that long ago that the St. Louis Post Dispatch violated those same ethics guidelines by failing to both to contact those who they claimed engaged in wrongdoing.
....

And it makes me wonder if they've got similar guidelines to deal with the Arab Israeli conflict so that Israel always appears in the wrong, even when any and every other nation (except the US of course) would take defensive measures to protect its citizens from the daily onslaught of attacks.

75 EE  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:27pm
The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

For fourteen centuries, jihadis have been misinterpreting what the Society of Professional Journalists says jihad is all about.

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and ie in ambush everywhere for them."

-- Quran 9:5

With this and similar quotes from the Quran, and with material from the Hadiths, Islamic jurists and scholars have put together a whole body of literature about the Muslim's obligation to carry out jihad.

Now comes the Society of Professioinal Journalists telling journalists to fool the kafir into not knowing what jihad is all about.

When Yasser Arafat screamed at the end of a speech that he gave in Arabic, concerning Jerusalem, full of hatred and incitement: "Jihad! Jihad! Jihad! Jihad!". What was he doing? Telling the people to improve themselves?

It appears that the basic purpose of the SPJ is to deceive the gullible kafir and to keep the gullible kafir asleep.

76 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:41pm

re: #16 Ojoe

Poor bastards. They are nothing if they don't have Bush to run against anymore.

77 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:46pm

re: #58 zombie

re: #2 rawmuse

Don't use phrases like "I KEEEEEEEL YOU!"

LOL!

A guy actually said that to me one time (accent espanish). He actually said it three times.
That's all he had time for.

78 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:48:53pm

The other question needing answered would be:
If we were to identify ownership of these media, would we see ownership shares in the hands of those of Middle Eastern
descent?

79 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:49:03pm

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

Don't rush. Review your work. In short, taqiyya time!

/

80 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:49:28pm

-"Don't lump entire people into groups unless discussing "Anti-Abortion Activists" and "White Israelis"

81 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:49:29pm

re: #36 laZardo

Make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.

Racism?

Well, if you're Barack Obama, you have both - lighter and darker skinned photo versions depending on your source. /do I really need this?!

82 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:49:41pm

OT
I could not post this in spin-off links because it will not accept the url as valid. It is, or at least it works on my browser:
Friends of two killed in I-27 crash insist intersection is dangerous

This is a followup to the story I posted about a horrible traffic accident Monday night. These two were brothers, one was raising 4 young children by himself.

83 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:49:43pm

re: #72 jaunte

re: #46 Capitalist Tool

Was this edited out of the final document?


Be cautious with phrases that might be confused between cultures.
'Working on my swing' has traditionally meant something different to people practicing jihad, than what it has meant for those interested in recent Scottish culture.

LOLOL

84 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:49:51pm

re: #55 vinny

"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."

I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.

85 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:50:08pm

Well this explains alot! So now we have a conspiracy by the "Society of Professional Journalists" to suppress the massacre of innocents in the pursuit of diversity, moral equivalence and ignorance that the western media espouses. Society of Professional Journalists motto: "Keep 'em in the dark and buried in bullshit!"

86 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:50:25pm

-"When discussing the type of people that live in the middle east, only specify the Arabs; Whatever you do, do not include Israelis, coptics, or Jews."

87 TheCorruptedLamb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:50:41pm

re: #58 zombie

Zombie, In San Jose next week, what is the best time to counter protest the at the Marine Recruiting Center? I may be able to take the train up after work...

88 Geepers  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:51:10pm
Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Yeah, see those were just "events" like a car show or a bake sale.

89 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:51:12pm

GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

90 Maine's Michael  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:51:15pm

Charles, you left one out. It was on the web page, but visible only to those logged in as memebrs of the SPJ:

- in all instances where terrorism must, by virtue of overwhelming evidence or admission, be portrayed as originating from Muslim sources, stress the root cause of the Israeli occupation as potential justification or at least a mitigating circumstance.

91 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:51:29pm

re: #84 MandyManners

re: #55 vinny

"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."

I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.

Pardon, what do you think of my codpiece?
HMMM?

92 zombie  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:51:30pm

re: #29 Ojoe

What kind of twit would put up with these 'guidelines'?

What happened to calling it as you see it?

Isn't that how you arrive at truth?

What kind of twit?

Every single journalist in the country, that's what kind of twit.
(With of course a tiny handful of exceptions.)

The entire industry is a deception factory. This is what I mean when I say the journalism schools from coast to coast insist on "advocacy journalism" from all their graduates: you must take sides, and the only side you can possibly take is the Marxist side.

Without the blogosphere, we would be forehead deep in lies.

93 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:52:40pm

re: #92 zombie

After the 1960's this is 100% true. I bet if asked about it they wouldn't even deny it.

Its 'truth to power" not TRUTH.

94 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:52:45pm

Who the hell wrote that?
They're a dipshit in every sense of the word!

95 kynna  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:52:46pm

And last but not least:

'Don't expect us to back you up if these guidelines fail to keep you safe from the seekers of the good of Islam. We will be too busy bowing and scraping to be outraged by your unfortunate demise.'

96 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:53:18pm
97 zombie  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:53:21pm

re: #87 TheCorruptedLamb

re: #58 zombie

Zombie, In San Jose next week, what is the best time to counter protest the at the Marine Recruiting Center? I may be able to take the train up after work...

Noon on Wednesdays. Noon to about 3pm.

Other days too, possibly. Check the Indybay events calendar for exact times.

98 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #84 MandyManners

re: #55 vinny


"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."

I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.

Sounds like they are requesting the Muslim community to censor the MSM's news stories....

99 yesandno  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:53:33pm

Oh please.
Forgot to list the one about bending over and kissing your booty goodby.

The victim card.....always the victim card.

100 DesertSage  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:53:51pm

re: #96 song_and_dance_man

The left are lost and they don't see it.

Lefty Just Wants Free Stuff!

101 zombie  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:54:01pm

re: #87 TheCorruptedLamb

Too bad you weren' there today. Supposedly a big gang of "Marines on Motorocycles" showed up.

102 laZardo  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:54:15pm

Gotta head out to lunch. See you in the "Early Morning" threads.

103 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:54:19pm
104 Attaboid  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:54:32pm

They forgot: pray five times a day. And others...

105 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:54:38pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Of course, this also violates their code of ethics, which contains among other items:

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.

How many times have we seen one or the other, or both, violated when it comes to talking about the Islamists?

It wasn't all that long ago that the St. Louis Post Dispatch violated those same ethics guidelines by failing to both to contact those who they claimed engaged in wrongdoing.

Excellent catch!

106 shibumi  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:54:48pm

re: #65 TheCorruptedLamb

re: #54 shibumi

Shibumi, by the way I loved "Incident at 20 Mile"...

I haven't read that one yet- loved the 'Sanction' books, as well as the one that I used for my nic.

107 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:55:07pm

re: #103 song_and_dance_man

Hey, let's put a dress on that pig.

goat...remember.....goat.

108 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:55:20pm
Seek out experts on military strategies, public safety, diplomacy, economics and other pertinent topics who run the spectrum of race, class, gender and geography.

"Well, GEN Petraeus says counterinsurgency should be our strategy. But he's white, fairly wealthy, male and from America. I'll offset that with the opinion from this destitute transgendered Mongolian who lives in France who thinks that Americans should all die. Yeah, that sounds about right."

110 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:55:41pm

re: #103 song_and_dance_man

Hey, let's put a dress on that pig.

Lipstick too?

111 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:55:42pm

Roll over little journalist. Play dhimmi. Good dog.

112 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:13pm

re: #92 zombie

I couldn't agree more. All the photos you see in the papers, in commercials, during the news broadcasts. They all fit and compliment one another.

Must resist urge to make copies of the "Diverstiy Protocols" and post around town.

113 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:17pm

Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Complexity of events?

I was in Manhattan. I know the truth. I was there.

Fuck you.

.

114 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:21pm

Still working on the Principles of Media Warfare.
This document is more proof that the media are a vested interest in and of themselves, rather than a mere facilitator, let alone an impartial observer.

115 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:24pm

Charles thank you for posting this. I was beginning to hope that some journalists had some sense. Thank you for opening my eyes to the fact that they are all pieces of shit.

116 alegrias  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:30pm

re: #16 Ojoe

OT

This just in from the Democratic Party:


Dear (Name),

John McCain formally won the Republican nomination last night. So what did he do today? He didn't meet with voters, didn't take a break, didn't even attack our candidates -- he headed to the White House to stand with George W. Bush.

There's no question that George Bush knows that John McCain will pick up where he leaves off. Make no mistake, McCain is the closest Bush will have to a third term, and the White House will do anything to get him elected.

In fact, they're so similar, John McCain had little to say -- George Bush did most of the talking for both of them.

He even suggested that McCain doesn't represent change, saying that it's something candidates have to run on because it's what the American people want to hear. Once again, McCain and Bush are both telling the American people what they want to hear, rather than the truth.

It's frightening how much George Bush likes John McCain, and it should tell you all you need to know.

We've had a few late nights around here, and I'm sure we'll have a few more. We're working non-stop to beat John McCain and George Bush. Now that McCain is formally the Republican nominee, he has the Republican establishment lined up firmly behind him.

We need your help (Name). While Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama continue their campaign, we have to be focused on John McCain. We can't afford to let him get ahead:

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

Governor Dean will be in touch soon, but I wanted to send you a note right away. This election is just too important to let John McCain and George Bush get a head start.

Tom McMahon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

* * *

Whitewashing Islam, Whitewashing John McCain!
The MSM now morphing McCain into George Bush is too funny, after the media spent years documenting how McCain hung out with Democrats and harassed President Bush.

The media expect you to believe their lie that McCain is now SCARY like an 'evil' TERRORIST MONGER, not the global warming advocate who wants to shut down Guantanamo we all have come to know as a squishy RINO the media told us about, before Obama eclipsed his media star.

117 TheCorruptedLamb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:35pm

re: #97 zombie


Eeeexxxxcccllllleeeennnttt! I have my "You bombed my city, we bombed your A**" shirt all clean and ready :)

118 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:56:39pm
119 EE  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:57:07pm
Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

So Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a group that the US State Department characterizes as a foreign terrorist organization, is really an organization for self-improvement, according to the SPJ? And their very name cannot be reported?

If anybody had any doubt about the need for there to exist other sources of reporting besides those who are members of the Society of Professional Journalists, this should dispel any doubts that they may have had.

120 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:57:07pm

re: #113 Dad O' Blondes

Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Complexity of events?

I was in Manhattan. I know the truth. I was there.

Fuck you.

.

Well said!

121 Maine's Michael  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:58:07pm

This was interesting, in the preamble:

Adherence to these guidelines will not only ensure that our fellow citizens of Muslim and South Asian background are viewed in the most favorable light, they will also reduce the chances of members of the SPJ experiencing the negative journalistic experience of Daniel Pearl or the artistic limitations imposed upon Theo Van Gogh.

122 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:58:23pm

re: #79 Bloodnok

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

Don't rush. Review your work. In short, taqiyya time!

/

What "targeted communities"?

(Unfortunately, we can't ask many of the people in the "targeted communities" of "the events" of September 11, 2001 because they're "lost".)

123 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:58:59pm

re: #109 WrathofG-d

youtube supposed to be down in t minus one minute

124 TIgger  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 6:59:17pm

This is the kind of guidelines Soviet "journalists" used to receive from the ideological section of the Central Committee of the Communist Party.
This is more than depressing. When we get Clinton/Obama in the White House, these things will become law, as will the fairness doctrine etc. The first things Communists do is choke any free speech.

125 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:00:06pm

re: #90 Maine's Michael

Is this true?
I need to know, because if I show that to someone and it is not true,
they will dismiss the whole thing.

126 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:00:13pm
127 alegrias  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:00:34pm

Hello, people! Today Charles exposed the WashPost's Philip Bennett who said he wanted to hire more mohammedans and have more mohammedan readers!

It's part of their global marketing plan to appeal to and capture the great unwashed jihadi market.
We in the West don't read their bullshit anymore, they need new suckers to whom to sell their crap.

128 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:00:40pm

re: #121 Maine's Michael

I've said it before: Appeasement. Good enough for the 1930s, good enough for now!

129 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:01:08pm

re: #124 TIgger

This is the kind of guidelines Soviet "journalists" used to receive from the ideological section of the Central Committee of the Communist Party.
This is more than depressing. When we get Clinton/Obama in the White House, these things will become law, as will the fairness doctrine etc. The first things Communists do is choke any free speech.

fairness doctrine? speech code? nuts!

130 Maine's Michael  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:01:15pm

re: #125 Tarkus289

re: #90 Maine's Michael

Is this true?
I need to know, because if I show that to someone and it is not true,
they will dismiss the whole thing.

No, that was simply fake but but accurate.

131 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:01:17pm

re: #123 spidly

re: #109 WrathofG-d

youtube supposed to be down in t minus one minute

I had one of my favorite Youtube videos of Reagans freedom fighters speech and those bastards shut it down for terms of use violation.

132 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:01:25pm

re: #120 SpartanWoman

re: #113 Dad O' Blondes

Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Complexity of events?

I was in Manhattan. I know the truth. I was there.

Fuck you.

.

Well said!

They can't even come out and say 9/11 and the terrorist attacks by the craven 19 al Qaeda jihadis who sought to kill 10 times the number that actually did die at the hands of the jihadis.

It's too complex for them to utter the phrase Islamic terrorism in relation to the worst terrorist attack on US soil.

Again, what a violation of their own code of ethics.

133 Doug  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:01:35pm

[a section that was deleted from the link]

But remember, fellow journalists, when it comes to America and particularly Christianity, these helpful rules:

1. denigrate
2. insinuate
3. deride
4. sneer
5. mock
6. insult
7. lie
8. slander
9. attack
10. and never, ever, show anything in a good or positive light because as we know, America and Christianity are the cause of all that is bad in the world today. Now, where is my paycheck?

134 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:01:40pm
Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity.

Progress.

Now they're know as activists.

135 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:02:14pm

re: #130 Maine's Michael

Thought so, just making sure.
By the way, it would not surprise me one bit..

136 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:03:10pm

Reporters are such sluts

137 profitsbeard  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:03:27pm

Charles-

This was not written by any journalist(s), but seems more like a hand-off piece of cunning boilerplate p.r. b.s. spawned by some kind of Saudi-funded propagandist organ or institution. (CAIR is amateruish by comparison.)

No American journalist(s) would know enough of the bull's-eye specific p.c. niceties- or the very exacting rules of [dis]engagement- to construct something this thoroughly eunuch-izing and self-destructive so quickly and so efficiently.

It's perfect piece of mind-neutering, terrorism-protecting drivel.

And these kinds of playbooks only spring fully-formed from the foreheads of master propagandists.

Especially in such an in-the-round, all-purpose condition.

Some Edward Said-level flack for the Wahabbis concocted this crap.

It pinpoints too much, too well, too fast NOT to be an excruciatingly deliberate and prepared well-beforehand bit of "helpful suggestioneering".

This "list of rules" should be looked into as thoroughly as the Dan Rather faux GWB military service document.

Something here stinks of Machiavellian machinery of the most exquisitely corrupt and calculationingly mendacious kind.

138 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:03:35pm
— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Just like they do when they are covering Anti-Abortion activities, rallies, or attacks....

oh wait, nevermind!

139 VegasRick  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:03:38pm

re: #120 SpartanWoman

re: #113 Dad O' Blondes

complexity of events?

I was in Manhattan. I know the truth. I was there.

Fuck you.

.


Well said!

All that needs to be said.
Goodnight all.

140 JWM  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:04:04pm

There is just too much material here. My BS detector, snark machine, snide comment generator, and double barrelled radioactive troll blasting flamethrower all just overloaded, and choked. Booger the cat jumped out the window, and the dog barfed on the floor.

JWM

141 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:04:12pm

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

re: #84 MandyManners


re: #55 vinny

"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."

I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.

Pardon, what do you think of my codpiece?
HMMM?

Not touching that one with a 10-foot pole.

142 lostlakehiker  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:04:12pm
Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.


And what if the "targeted community" is the community of persons under indictment for helping fund a listed terrorist organization? Their suggestion, of course, will be that you run, as fact, their own protestations of innocence and their own stories and accounts of victimization, police brutality, and the use of depleted kryptonite to poison their water.

Much of this article is less objectionable than it seems at first read. Only at the end, where the news professional is invited to submit text for censorship, do we see the full force of the guidelines. It's reminiscent of Austria-Hungary's demands on Serbia. There were 21 or what have you, with items 1-20 possibly negotiable. But demand 21 was that Serbia submit to occupation by the Rotten Empire's army.

The fair thing to do would be to ask Muslims whom you KNOW to be moderate and sensible, (and you'll have to do your work and find them and cultivate their acquaintance and trust) whether the coverage unwittingly commits some inaccuracy or unfairness. Any fact that belongs in the story, however, would not be negotiable.

143 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:04:12pm

The most important principle of media warfare: The media-industrial complex is not the "free press" of the Founding Fathers.

It is a corrupt plutocracy, monstrously powerful, accountable to noone and increasingly aligned with the forces of barbarism, ignorance, and darkness. In many ways, it is a direct inversion of the Enlightenment-era vision of the free press that motivated the framers of the Constitution.

144 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:04:58pm

re: #98 LoFlyer

re: #84 MandyManners


re: #55 vinny

"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."

I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.

Sounds like they are requesting the Muslim community to censor the MSM's news stories....

They are!

145 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:05:02pm

re: #16 Ojoe

There's no question that George Bush knows that John McCain will pick up where he leaves off. Make no mistake, McCain is the closest Bush will have to a third term, and the White House will do anything to get him elected.

Paranoia, the Destroyer

146 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:05:56pm

Who will interview the MSM regarding the Diversity Protocols?

147 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:06:22pm

re: #134 JammieWearingFool

Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity.

Progress.

Now they're know as activists.

splodey dope doesn't make any statement on religion. either does fucktard shitcrazy [bigoted word]..... ululating goatfuckers.....

they could uses the perfectly acceptable alternatives.

148 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:07:23pm

For an insiders look at this and other fraud in the American press read


" The greatest story ever sold " by Frank Rich.

149 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:08:03pm

re: #125 Tarkus289

re: #90 Maine's Michael

Is this true?
I need to know, because if I show that to someone and it is not true,
they will dismiss the whole thing.

SPJ is a real organization, and that's really on their website.

Internet Archive only has the particular page in question since March of 2007. I'm checking now to see if the link has been renamed...

150 Ma Sands  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:08:38pm

re: #137 profitsbeard

I think Mandy said that in far fewer words in comment #14..... :)

151 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:09:07pm

I didn't see one word in the guidelines pertaining to Who, what, when and where. I did see a lot of diversity and multiculturalism though! This is what western journalism has descended to. No longer any pretense of no bias or facts! Just use diverse sources and let the Islamic "community" edit your stories. It is past time for the conservative blogs to start making waves on this issue of propaganda by western journalists under the guise of political correctness. I remember reading six months after 911 how the major networks got together and issued a joint announcement that they would no longer broadcast images or movies of the 911 disaster. It was a conspiracy then and a conspiracy now. Its time we hold western media responsible for what they broadcast and report.

152 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:09:33pm

At first I thought this was a parody, but after clicking on the link and seeing the SPJ website I realized the horror that has been perpetrated on the nation in the interest of "professionalism" and diversity.

They wonder why the public no longer trusts them?

153 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:09:57pm

Charles,

I hope you leave this at the top the rest of this week and next week.

Thank you for posting this Charles!

154 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:09:58pm

re: #150 Ma Sands

re: #137 profitsbeard

I think Mandy said that in far fewer words in comment #14..... :)

LOL!

155 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:10:08pm

re: #149 Dar ul Harb

I went there, the whole sight is frightenig.

156 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:10:27pm

re: #151 LoFlyer

I didn't see one word in the guidelines pertaining to Who, what, when and where. I did see a lot of diversity and multiculturalism though! This is what western journalism has descended to. No longer any pretense of no bias or facts! Just use diverse sources and let the Islamic "community" edit your stories. It is past time for the conservative blogs to start making waves on this issue of propaganda by western journalists under the guise of political correctness. I remember reading six months after 911 how the major networks got together and issued a joint announcement that they would no longer broadcast images or movies of the 911 disaster. It was a conspiracy then and a conspiracy now. Its time we hold western media responsible for what they broadcast and report.

Absolutely. A conspiracy.

157 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:10:46pm

No Cognito?

158 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:11:01pm
Diversity Committee
On both chapter and national levels, SPJ provides an open forum for the discussion of diversity issues in journalism. This committee's purpose is to promote a broader voice in newsrooms across the country and expand the depth and quality of news reports through better sourcing. Its ongoing project is the compilation of experts — primarily women, gays and lesbians, people of color and people with disabilities — through the Society's Diversity Source Book. The Society's relevance to its member is based on inclusiveness.

I kid you not. The above exhibit a higher level of expertise than other folk.

//

159 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:11:02pm
160 godziller  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:11:07pm

Sheer insanity. Aiding the enemy.

161 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:11:17pm

re: #134 JammieWearingFool

Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity.

Progress.

Now they're know as activists.

Please it's Global Caliphate Expansion Consultant.

162 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:11:52pm

re: #149 Dar ul Harb

Ah. Humor.

163 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:12:17pm

re: #151 LoFlyer

No longer any pretense of no bias or facts!

Oh, I disagree. I see plenty of pretense for "no...facts."

164 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:12:38pm

re: #160 godziller

Sheer insanity. Aiding the enemy.

goes beyond aid and comfort, more like fellating the enemy

165 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:12:49pm
166 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:12:58pm

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Date: Wednesday, March 12
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[Link: www.rna.org...]

167 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:13:22pm

re: #157 Noam Sayin'

No Cognito?

Flattered, once again, that you wait up.

168 USASupport  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:13:50pm

How I read it:

-Arab Americans and Muslims are monolithic groups and they wear traditional clothing.

-Kneeling on the floor praying, listening to Arabic music or reciting from the Quran are peculiar activities

-Terrorists are "political Islamists"

-Saying "Muslim terrorist" is not OK because it links a religion to
a crime, but "white supremacist terrrorist" is OK because it doesn't link an ethnicity to a crime.

169 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:14:01pm

I am sure there are a number of other religions that would like and are deserving of better press. How about some fluff pieces on those that aren't killing people?

170 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:14:01pm
171 rawmuse  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:14:21pm

re: #16 Ojoe

This, as opposed to an undisguised attempt to end around the 22nd Amendment, as being perpetrated by Clinton, Inc.

172 macintush  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:14:24pm

'Bout time some Senator who wants to be President in 4 years or so, submits a new bill defining treason, and laying out guidelines for proof, trial, conviction and execution.

173 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:14:36pm

re: #157 Noam Sayin'

Ah, fuck. Now you gone and done it.

174 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:14:59pm

When I think of these elitist scum that write this garbage, then I think of all the innocent people that will die as a direct result of this farce, than I think that WE get blamed for being war-mongers, I just can't bear it.

175 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:06pm

re: #170 song_and_dance_man

It only works for Cognito.

176 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:12pm

re: #167 Cognito

Cog, I'm not holding you accountable or associating you with any of this.

But do you have an opinion?

177 Daisy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:12pm

"— Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C."

The events? Variety of voices? In other words, by all means, get the line of propaganda from the enemy first, middle and last ... to explain their perspective on the events of 9/11.

Thou shalt not admit - in any way, shape or form - that these 'events' were a declaration of war upon the USA.

Disgusting.

178 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:17pm
179 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:17pm

re: #144 MandyManners

re: #98 LoFlyer

re: #84 MandyManners


re: #55 vinny


"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."


I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.


Sounds like they are requesting the Muslim community to censor the MSM's news stories....

They are!

probably couldn't print the suggestions from targeted communities like those who work in tall NYC buildings, first responders.......

180 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:49pm

re: #166 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Wait, that's real? I was reading it as a satire and laughing and then...

181 DesertSage  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:15:52pm

God loves Cognito!

182 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:16:22pm

re: #141 MandyManners

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

re: #84 MandyManners


re: #55 vinny


"— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions."


I about choked on that one. Allowing anyone to "make suggestions" will do nothing but ensure a slanged piece.


Pardon, what do you think of my codpiece?
HMMM?

Not touching that one with a 10-foot pole.

You been peekin'?

183 Sol Roth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:16:47pm

The word is bandied about by the Bolsheviks (Daily Kos) and the BDS crowd, but this is undeniably treason.

184 johnny canuck  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:17:11pm

I've seen this type of journalistic activism for decades. Yet I always had doubt creep in saying, maybe I'm just being paranoid, it must be me cause they can't be that transparent and not have anybody else around me see it. Apparently I was not paranoid after all. This type of Liberal crap just makes me want to puke,.... and reload.

185 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:17:27pm

re: #172 macintush

Treason is explicitly defined in the US Constitution. It's a very high level of proof, but the problem isn't the need for a new law to define it, but rather the need for prosecutors to start indicting people for the crime who deserve it.

186 infidelia  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:17:40pm

OK, let me jot this down. From now on it's

Mohammed

Koran

Mecca

Too complicated. How about

Shithead

Toilet paper

Shithole

There. Fixed.

The proper response to such a document is outrage and righteous indignation, but sarcasm, ridicule, and scatological mockery are much more fun.

187 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:17:40pm

This is truly terrible:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

188 Tigger  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:08pm

re: #161 guitardalek

"Entire religions..." I just love the plural. What other religions are linked to terrorism?

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:20pm

re: #181 DesertSage

God loves a lot of people. What a hussy.

190 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:39pm

re: #182 Capitalist Tool

Hey! I am running around the house using the colander as a codpiece. Babba told me that's the way we roll around here. Have I been duped? That sucker chafes and I couldn't comment when spaghetti was being made....

191 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:45pm
192 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:45pm

re: #187 formercorpsman

And we are the bad guys...

193 Karridine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:48pm

re: #113 Dad O' Blondes

complexity of events?

I was in Manhattan. I know the truth. I was there.

Fuck you.

Sir, my friend interrupted my correction of school papers at 1130 that night, frantically shouting over the phone for me to turn on the TV!

I did, and shortly thereafter saw the SECOND plane driven by Islamo-fascist jihadis slam into the second WTC tower, atomizing the Americans in the plane and the Americans and others in 3 floors of that tower!

I was there with you, with America, and AGAINST that brutal thuggery!

194 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:18:58pm

re: #183 Sol Roth


Are we at war with the Islamists and their backers or not?

When are we going to get serious and demand people be held accountable for their treasonous acts?

195 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:19:05pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

G-d doesn't love the Amalekites

196 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:19:22pm
Do not represent Arab Americans and Muslims as monolithic groups.

Save those type of generalizations for Christian groups, Conservatives, Republicans, and the military.

197 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:19:47pm

The variety-in-coverage bit doesn't really bother me that much. Journalists should give accurate impressions: Not all Muslims wear hijabs, etc, informational language is certainly better than inflammatory, etc ad nauseum... It's all common sense.

The bit that really bothers me, actually, isn't highlighted. It's this little gem at the end:

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

That's outrageous. I'm assuming -- for heaven's sake -- that the 'review' doesn't happen until after printing, because for a journalist to hand over his work for 'review' (preview, really) would introduce any number of conflicts. But even assuming they mean after publication -- why? If a journalist is doing his job, cultivating good sources, keeping an open mind and clear eyes, he doesn't need to submit his work for review, most especially by the 'target' -- target! -- he's covering.

The most important review is by each and every reader a journalist serves.

198 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:19:48pm

re: #187 formercorpsman

This is truly terrible:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I hope North Korea got to review this prior to post time.

/

199 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:03pm

Yes, the link was renamed.

Previously, the guidelines appear here.

First archived on November 6, 2001.

200 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #188 Tigger

re: #161 guitardalek

"Entire religions..." I just love the plural. What other religions are linked to terrorism?

Well, I believe there is that one...

...it was whatever the Fremen were in Dune.

Not so many in real life though.

201 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:28pm

re: #176 formercorpsman

re: #167 Cognito

Cog, I'm not holding you accountable or associating you with any of this.

But do you have an opinion?

Hey, thanks. That's darned decent.

I appreciate that.

202 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:30pm

re: #121 Maine's Michael

This was interesting, in the preamble:

Adherence to these guidelines will not only ensure that our fellow citizens of Muslim and South Asian background are viewed in the most favorable light, they will also reduce the chances of members of the SPJ experiencing the negative journalistic experience of Daniel Pearl or the artistic limitations imposed upon Theo Van Gogh.

Would I be out of line if I called that abso-fuckin'-lutely disgusting?

Kidnapped & beheaded = Negative journalistic experience?
Stalked and assassinated in his own country = imposed limitations on art?

I suppose if some 7th century, backwards, jihad loving, pedo-worshiping, barbarian fuckwad death-cultist murders me in his lust for blood and world wide fascism, they'll just say it's "an imposition on my consumption of beer and pork products".

What a bunch of worthless, disgusting, pussified, dhimmi FUCKS! DAMN THEM!

I'm taking a break before I type something that gets us all in trouble.

203 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:34pm
204 Carolyn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:37pm

Was this the way the press acted during WWII?
No, the press was on our side then.

205 Confuzed  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:43pm

Yes, remember when looking for KKK and White-Supremacists, stop blacks, Jews, Muslims, Asians and Hispanics so as to not profile.
Did we miss anyone?

206 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:56pm

For all of you Reuters/AP/MSNBC types peeking in...
don't be too disappointed that we aren't actually seething over this ridiculous media training aid... we just don't really give a damn about you.

207 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:20:56pm

re: #199 Dar ul Harb

Outstanding work!

208 macintush  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:21:09pm

re: #185 lawhawk

re: #172 macintush

Treason is explicitly defined in the US Constitution. It's a very high level of proof, but the problem isn't the need for a new law to define it, but rather the need for prosecutors to start indicting people for the crime who deserve it.

Yes, my point is, of course, that somebody needs to take this to the floor of the Senate and make a big deal out of it. You can include in the debate the wording of the Constitution (not that anybody in Congress actually reads the document anyway) but presenting something AS new might get the ball moving at least.

209 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:21:16pm

re: #200 guitardalek

re: #188 Tigger


re: #161 guitardalek

"Entire religions..." I just love the plural. What other religions are linked to terrorism?


Well, I believe there is that one...

The Borg?

...it was whatever the Fremen were in Dune.

Not so many in real life though.

210 theblakester  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:21:18pm

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity

Stunning, just stunning I tell you. If it wasn't so obvious in the first place, I guess I would have never known?

211 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:21:19pm

re: #197 Cognito

The variety-in-coverage bit doesn't really bother me that much. Journalists should give accurate impressions: Not all Muslims wear hijabs, etc, informational language is certainly better than inflammatory, etc ad nauseum... It's all common sense.

The bit that really bothers me, actually, isn't highlighted. It's this little gem at the end:


— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

That's outrageous. I'm assuming -- for heaven's sake -- that the 'review' doesn't happen until after printing, because for a journalist to hand over his work for 'review' (preview, really) would introduce any number of conflicts. But even assuming they mean after publication -- why? If a journalist is doing his job, cultivating good sources, keeping an open mind and clear eyes, he doesn't need to submit his work for review, most especially by the 'target' -- target! -- he's covering.

The most important review is by each and every reader a journalist serves.

So does this mean George Bush gets to review the work of "journalists"?

212 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:21:20pm

re: #191 song_and_dance_man

re: #175 coquimbojoe

Lay back on that voodoo that you do oh so well.

I already was the crap magnate for a thread today. Your turn.

214 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:22:18pm

re: #190 coquimbojoe

re: #182 Capitalist Tool

Hey! I am running around the house using the colander as a codpiece. Babba told me that's the way we roll around here. Have I been duped? That sucker chafes and I couldn't comment when spaghetti was being made....

don't "strain" yourself

215 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:22:29pm

re: #208 macintush

Yes, start eith John F'n Kerry

216 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:22:45pm

re: #200 guitardalek

re: #188 Tigger

re: #161 guitardalek

"Entire religions..." I just love the plural. What other religions are linked to terrorism?

Well, I believe there is that one...

...it was whatever the Fremen were in Dune.

Not so many in real life though.

is up with people is affiliated with a church? they are terrorists

217 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:22:58pm

re: #215 Tarkus289

With
sorry

218 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:23:02pm

re: #211 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Good one, surely the Prez is a target. But when the media is doing the targeting, I doubt if they notice

219 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:23:13pm

If there was an post on LGF that pissed me off the most this was it. The people that wrote this need a serious asswhoopin.

220 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:23:13pm
re: #194 joshlbetts

re: #183 Sol Roth


Are we at war with the Islamists and their backers or not?

When are we going to get serious and demand people be held accountable for their treasonous acts?

Nothing is going to change until we lose a couple of cities.

221 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:23:33pm

re: #201 Cognito

Cognito, loosen up.

I was really asking for your opinion on what Charles posted.

It is obvious you take quite a bit of heat, and have been known to not back down, hence my preface for really trying to not load my question.

222 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:23:44pm

Just went through the bio's of the committee of diversity in the "Society of Professional Journalists" and it was about what I expected, 85 to 90 percent lefty liberal multicultural diversity activists, and the rest appear libertarian. Typical university journalism graduates.

223 DesertSage  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:23:53pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

re: #181 DesertSage

God loves a lot of people. What a hussy.

God loves everyone Killgore. Sometimes he doesn't like them, but he still loves them.

And I'm not a religious nut either, nor do I know for a fact that there really is a God. But I'd like to believe that there is, and that he loves you Killgore.
...he doesn't necessarily like you though.

224 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:24:35pm

re: #221 formercorpsman

re: #201 Cognito

Cognito, loosen up.

I was really asking for your opinion on what Charles posted.

It is obvious you take quite a bit of heat, and have been known to not back down, hence my preface for really trying to not load my question.

No, no! I wasn't being sarcastic -- I really appreciated your genuine question. It's nice to just have a conversation, instead of all the other junk.

I'm loose, dude!

225 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:24:56pm

re: #220 Da_Beerfreak

re: #194 joshlbettsre: #183 Sol Roth


Are we at war with the Islamists and their backers or not?

When are we going to get serious and demand people be held accountable for their treasonous acts?

Nothing is going to change until we lose a couple of cities.

depends on the city. I imagine there are a few cities the authors of the guidelines and their ilk wouldn't mind losing

226 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:25:00pm

re: #223 DesertSage

KGT probably amuses him though.

Just sayin'

227 code red 21  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:25:26pm

Sure proud of our MSM. Just remember you so called reporters out there you're only going to be allowed to live until you're of no more use to them...then you're next.

228 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:25:36pm

re: #220 Da_Beerfreak

We need to get more vocal and organized before this happens.

It's coming to a head and we'll be in the same position as Europe in a few years. We need to lay the groundwork now.

229 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:25:41pm

BBL

230 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:25:42pm

re: #222 LoFlyer

Just went through the bio's of the committee of diversity in the "Society of Professional Journalists" and it was about what I expected, 85 to 90 percent lefty liberal multicultural diversity activists, and the rest appear libertarian. Typical university journalism graduates.


I had one class in college with mostly journalism majors. The only conclusion everyone agreed on was that Fox News was biased to the right and Al Jazeera should have an English news channel because it was not biased and would give us valuable insight into the muslim world.

231 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #224 Cognito

re: #221 formercorpsman

re: #201 Cognito

Cognito, loosen up.

I was really asking for your opinion on what Charles posted.

It is obvious you take quite a bit of heat, and have been known to not back down, hence my preface for really trying to not load my question.

No, no! I wasn't being sarcastic -- I really appreciated your genuine question. It's nice to just have a conversation, instead of all the other junk.

I'm loose, dude!

Loose? Loose?
That you, Susie?

232 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:26:41pm

re: #230 SecretInternetDoucheBag

So you're saying that they are really that pathetic?

233 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:26:51pm

re: #207 joshlbetts

re: #199 Dar ul Harb

Outstanding work!

Well, what surprises (and disappoints) me is that this document has been there for over six years and we're only now hearing about it.

So much for blogosphere "investigative journalism"!

234 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:26:51pm
235 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:26:52pm

This is fuckin disgusting. Excuse my language but it truly is.

236 opinionated  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:26:55pm

.........and lastly, do all this in memory of your colleague Daniel Pearl- who died at the hands of ......er, er, of natural causes after his head somehow fell off.

237 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:27:04pm

re: #229 coquimbojoe

BBL

We'll wait here.

238 mattm  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:27:16pm

Since when did journalism mean "follow guidelines on how to report news" as opposed to "report the news and facts as it occurred."

239 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:27:36pm

On the evening of Sept. 11, 2001, I thought about all the ways we would respond, I knew we were going to war, I just didn't know how.

I knew we would go down the semi-PC route, but on THAT night I
said it would be a 40 year and 3 week war. 40 years of PC and
3 weeks of outright war.

So far, I'm still right.

240 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:28:05pm

re: #234 song_and_dance_man

re: #212 coquimbojoe

re: #191 song_and_dance_man

re: #175 coquimbojoe

Lay back on that voodoo that you do oh so well.

I already was the crap magnate for a thread today. Your turn.

I was a crap magnet for many threads and for more than one day. Those were the days.

how'd you do that? they're supposedly down over at youtube

241 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:28:34pm

re: #236 opinionated

Severe hypovolemia related to massive hemorrhage via the carotid vessels is perfectly natural and you would do it too if your head had been removed

242 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:28:37pm

re: #232 SpartanWoman

Yes. The class was called Bias in Media and the teacher was a journalist. Small caviat though he admitted to running for office as a Democrat in the first or second week. He should have just stopped the class at that point since I learned all I needed to know.

243 Ma Sands  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:28:39pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

It's because He is God.....He can do that.....better than we are able to love even one person......

244 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:28:52pm

re: #237 Noam Sayin'

Much obliged. See ya'll at 3 am PST then. BBL for reals...

245 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:28:56pm

The father of activist media, Joseph Goebbels, must be looking up from hell right now and wondering why he could not have been born 60 years later.

Fourth Estate=Fifth Column. If these "guidelines" are not a smoking gun, nothing is.

246 NY Nana  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:29:40pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Yoo, hoo, Killgore, I left this for you in the spinoffs.

247 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:29:58pm
248 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:30:18pm

re: #224 Cognito

Cognito, I won't go as far as to say this is on par with the propaganda of the Nazis, but reading this edict is disturbing.

It actually defies the very root of correct journalism.

Could you seriously imagine, taking another group that is not a politically protected category, and applying the same rules?

They are going out of their way to shape news.

By foregoing certain descriptives, they are shaping opinion by ommission.

In sorts, a reverse propaganda.

249 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:30:23pm

re: #245 Shiplord Kirel

The father of activist media, Joseph Goebbels, must be looking up from hell right now and wondering why he could not have been born 60 years later.

Fourth Estate=Fifth Column. If these "guidelines" are not a smoking gun, nothing is.

We should look for the guidelines to mysteriously disappear or to be available only by paid subscription

250 Alas  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:30:31pm

It's a testament to the strength of media bleach that they can get anywhere at all whitewashing something that is so black.

251 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:30:51pm

re: #234 song_and_dance_man

re: #212 coquimbojoe

re: #191 song_and_dance_man

re: #175 coquimbojoe

Lay back on that voodoo that you do oh so well.

I already was the crap magnate for a thread today. Your turn.

I was a crap magnet for many threads and for more than one day. Those were the days.

Er, wait on the BBL, I guess being a 'crap magnate' is bigger than being a 'crap magnet'. I win, um, uh, I guess. ;-)

252 joshlbetts  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:31:03pm

re: #233 Dar ul Harb

re: #207 joshlbetts

re: #199 Dar ul Harb

Outstanding work!

Well, what surprises (and disappoints) me is that this document has been there for over six years and we're only now hearing about it.

So much for blogosphere "investigative journalism"!

It's O.K. Who would think to look for a manifest directing the "PROFESSIONAL JOURNALISTS" to commit treason?

The next step is to find out who received this and who attended the Oct. 6 National Convention.

We need names and contact information.

253 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #230 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #222 LoFlyer


Just went through the bio's of the committee of diversity in the "Society of Professional Journalists" and it was about what I expected, 85 to 90 percent lefty liberal multicultural diversity activists, and the rest appear libertarian. Typical university journalism graduates.

I had one class in college with mostly journalism majors. The only conclusion everyone agreed on was that Fox News was biased to the right and Al Jazeera should have an English news channel because it was not biased and would give us valuable insight into the muslim world.

You have my deepest sympathies, I would have argued every damn day with the idiots, and probably failed the class...

254 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:31:53pm

Why does that Web site look like crap to me? Diversity? feh. Notice the word "professionalism" or "truth" appears nowhere that I have found.

255 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:32:30pm

re: #248 formercorpsman

Yeah, I'm not a fan, as I more or less outlined in post 197.

I'm just never a fan of setting out expectations on reality, which is a fluid thing: You know, maybe a reporter shows up for a meeting at the local mosque and it fits every ugly stereotype. Or maybe it's a mold-breaking surprise. Either way is fine. It's just the truth.

256 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:32:46pm

re: #248 formercorpsman

re: #224 Cognito

Cognito, I won't go as far as to say this is on par with the propaganda of the Nazis, but reading this edict is disturbing.

It actually defies the very root of correct journalism.

Could you seriously imagine, taking another group that is not a politically protected category, and applying the same rules?

They are going out of their way to shape news.

By foregoing certain descriptives, they are shaping opinion by ommission.

In sorts, a reverse propaganda.


How about we come up with some to guidelines they can use to refer to white men? I am honestly getting sick of getting called angry and racist every 4 years.

257 USBeast  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:32:46pm

If I may (and even if I may not) I will summarize the guidelines: Suck up. Kowtow. Kiss a$$.

Jeez, you'd think Muslims were Democrats.

258 Tigger  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:33:45pm

Any news on the screening/posting of Fitna?

259 code red 21  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:33:45pm

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

Are you insinuating that Daniel Perl and Theo van Gogh were butchered by Islamic, Terrorist, jihadis? You bigot.
/

260 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:34:00pm

re: #223 DesertSage

Sometimes he doesn't like them, but he still loves them.


I've had girlfriends like that.

261 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:34:05pm

I noticed there's a special section of the SPJ.

It must be the filter for all Islam/Muslim-related articles.

[Link: www.spj.org...]

262 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:34:28pm

re: #248 formercorpsman

Quick P.S. -- yeah, the people comparing this set of misguidelines to Nazi propaganda are either just having fun bashing the press, or have no sense of what real fascist agit-prop looks like. Either way it's not worth a lot of attention.

263 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:34:39pm

re: #256 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I am also getting tired of being represented as a bumbling idiot
on all T.V. commercials.

264 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:34:47pm

re: #249 SpartanWoman

We should look for the guidelines to mysteriously disappear or to be available only by paid subscription

Too late.

See my #199.

265 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:35:59pm

Filtering information to shape public perspective is not journalism. Its marketing.

266 arcatan  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:36:32pm

An attack on the US is a wonderful opportunity for journalists to provide Americans with multicultural training! See all along I though the journalists were cowards, when it turns out they're just ... cowards.

But my experience with "professional organizations" is that they tend to be Marxist/Leftist in the most self interested way possible. It's middle class white Liberalism ... they actually want more than anything to be perceived as the "good guys" ... ok actually they want that almost as much as a nice house in the suburbs.

Wealth without guilt ... that's the goal of many Liberals today, and they create all sorts of convenient "realities" to hide behind a wall of pretentious self congratulation.

267 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:36:50pm
268 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:36:56pm

re: #238 mattm

Since when did journalism mean "follow guidelines on how to report news" as opposed to "report the news and facts as it occurred."


The ONLY guidelines should be: who, what, when, where, why, and how.
Journalism has lost all its integrity and now is only liberal agenda driven.

269 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:36:58pm

re: #246 NY Nana

Of course it’s nice to believe that the voters determine these things, but now it begins to look more as if the machine and the convention will have their uses as well.


Yeah, I think Hitch is right on this one.

270 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:37:00pm

re: #262 Cognito

Nazi propaganda, as bad as it was, was ultimately to unite and build up
Germany, this is to help destroy the U.S.

271 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:38:06pm
272 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:38:22pm

re: #270 Tarkus289

P.S. I am NOT a nazi.

273 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:38:30pm

re: #266 arcatan

They are not patriots. (yes I said it).

They are marxist/leftists that consider countries to be boring old concepts, and themselves citizens of the world.

(i've dated too many moonbats)

274 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:38:37pm

The real question is how the hell news organizations did not consider these guidelines as news. WTF

275 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:38:39pm

re: #270 Tarkus289

re: #262 Cognito

Nazi propaganda, as bad as it was, was ultimately to unite and build up
Germany, this is to help destroy the U.S.

Yes, but it's uniting and building up Islamofascists.

Er, I mean, religious enthusiasts/martyrdom technicians

276 Maine's Michael  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:39:20pm

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

I have to start using /sarc, I think.

It was another case of 'fake but accurate'.

Sorry.

277 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:39:22pm

re: #274 SecretInternetDoucheBag

The left is the left.

278 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:39:35pm

re: #246 NY Nana

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Yoo, hoo, Killgore, I left this for you in the spinoffs.

NY Nana,
that was good, glad I saw your post.

279 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:39:48pm

You lizardoids are clearly a reactionary and a prime candidate for re-education, as demonstrated by your continuing appeals to the mythical concept of "Truth."

“Truth” is an artificial textual construct of the oppressive white male hegemony designed to maintain its oppressive hegemonic dominance over oppressed womyn, oppressed people of color, and other oppressed victims of the white male hegemonic oppressors.

Can I have my journalism degree now?

280 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:40:08pm

re: #275 guitardalek

Yes, but it is coming from our side.

281 Sarge1984  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:40:14pm

re: #275 guitardalek

"...martydom technicians"

Heh.

282 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:40:20pm

re: #256 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I think no matter what, it will be that for a while.

I was at one point, but I have to trust the fact that there are folks than myself who see right through this.

The one thing I have no doubts about, is as long as we keep nuancing this kind of shit, it comes closer each day to having all out fighting in places where the fuse is so close to being lit, it just needs someone to shout spark & it is ignited.

I think the elements for some nasty internal shit is not far out of reach, and common sense is the best defense against it.

This kind of crap only fans the flames.

283 mattm  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:40:40pm

re: #253 LoFlyer

re: #230 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #222 LoFlyer


Just went through the bio's of the committee of diversity in the "Society of Professional Journalists" and it was about what I expected, 85 to 90 percent lefty liberal multicultural diversity activists, and the rest appear libertarian. Typical university journalism graduates.


I had one class in college with mostly journalism majors. The only conclusion everyone agreed on was that Fox News was biased to the right and Al Jazeera should have an English news channel because it was not biased and would give us valuable insight into the muslim world.

You have my deepest sympathies, I would have argued every damn day with the idiots, and probably failed the class...

I have a History Prof who really knows History, but can't keep his own political views form getting in the way. Today he started talking about the 1st Amendment and said "The First Amendment guarantees us freedom of religion along with freedom from religion ...." I played stupid and asked him where it says that. He grins and goes on his long winded PC explication. After that I said "Prof. NAME, but doesn't the 1st Amendment say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. So I don't see where freedom FROm religion applies." He went, um, uhh, and then changed the subject. Asshole.

284 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:40:43pm

re: #262 Cognito

As an insider; what was wrong... or considered to be incomplete... with the Ethics Code on the home page ? Surely by following the Ethics Code profiling etc would have been avoided in the normal run of events? Why was a special set of guidelines proposed? Was there political pressure?

285 Bat Boy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:41:10pm

re: #262 Cognito

re: #248 formercorpsman

Quick P.S. -- yeah, the people comparing this set of misguidelines to Nazi propaganda are either just having fun bashing the press, or have no sense of what real fascist agit-prop looks like. Either way it's not worth a lot of attention.

Bat Boy says pull your head out of your ass. Are these guideline Nazi? No. Fascist? Yeah. Anything short of the truth from out press is a problem. If you let this shit slide now, where does it stop? There are many aspects of Islam that are becoming radicalized and dangerous - and there are many groups within it that already are. The press looking for ways to soften the truth is a problem. Willing fools who dismiss it are a problem. Ooh ooh the exotic person is being bad, maybe if we talk nicely about them they won't cut our heads off first. Stop living in a September 10 world.

286 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:41:21pm

OT: I can't believe Michelle Malkin is calling that sterile cuckoo Gloria Steinen a "Gynosaur". I love it.

287 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:41:31pm

re: #188 Tigger

re: #161 guitardalek

"Entire religions..." I just love the plural. What other religions are linked to terrorism?

Shintoism, for one, was presented as favorably as any in a book that a JW neighbor lent me. The chapter seemed to be about, "See, all these monotheistic religions glorify the same deity." Of course islam got a pass. Only one (Mayan, I think) didn't. It was illustrated with a priest ripping the heart out of a living sacrificee.

288 Favre4Favre  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:41:48pm

Pathetic... but not surprising. HOw long can this suicidal behavior go on? Even when their fellow journos are killed by the savages they find others to blame.

289 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:41:48pm

re: #279 Shiplord Kirel

You lizardoids are clearly a reactionary and a prime candidate for re-education, as demonstrated by your continuing appeals to the mythical concept of "Truth."

“Truth” is an artificial textual construct of the oppressive white male hegemony designed to maintain its oppressive hegemonic dominance over oppressed womyn, oppressed people of color, and other oppressed victims of the white male hegemonic oppressors.

Can I have my journalism degree now?

With honors!

290 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:42:00pm

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity

anchor 1 "to recap the situation, two planes flew into the twin towers...."

anchor 2 "now we haven't seen this sort of thing since the Illinois Nazis blocked that bridge..."

291 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:42:16pm

I am all for fighting stereotypes but you can't do that with smoke and mirrors, you need light.

292 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:42:21pm

re: #278 newsjunkie_ky

I had the same impression from that news conference too. The press has treated Obama so softly that he hasn't developed the ability to actually answer tough questions. He might get used to it but the press may actually tear him apart.

293 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:42:41pm

re: #265 Mich-again

Filtering information to shape public perspective is not journalism. Its marketing.

Well its certainly not what the American citizen should be subjected to. We pay for all the news, not just what the MSM deems ideologically correct to broadcast or feed to us. Free market economics, and accurate reporting on the Internet is driving the MSM into a slow death.

294 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:42:42pm
295 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:42:56pm

"Gynosaur"

Classic.

296 sparrowlake  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:11pm

Good evening lizards.
Just logged on and read the "Guidelines". I didn't see anything in there about not using Muslim middle names to unfairly smear Christian candidates - did they miss that one?

297 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:16pm
This week’s war coverage included Prince Harry’s return to England from his deployment to Afghanistan. After serving nearly three months in Afghanistan with the British Army, the Drudge Report led the way in breaching a joint agreement by the British media to not report details of Prince Harry’s mission. Although the Drudge Report is no New York Times for news, has the Drudge Report overstepped its journalistic obligation by “outing” Prince Henry in Afghanistan? What is a journalist’s obligation?

I put my pencil down, walked over to the head journalist and said
"I'm sitting here on the group W bench, I mean I'm just sittin' on the bench and you wanna know if the Drudge Report is moral enough when the New York Times is still around?"

298 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:16pm

re: #276 Maine's Michael

299 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:17pm

re: #284 threecoloursblue

re: #262 Cognito

As an insider; what was wrong... or considered to be incomplete... with the Ethics Code on the home page ? Surely by following the Ethics Code profiling etc would have been avoided in the normal run of events? Why was a special set of guidelines proposed? Was there political pressure?

I don't know anything about it. Don't overestimate the SPJ -- it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

300 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:20pm

re: #290 spidly

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity

ie: Make sure to spin.

301 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:37pm

re: #274 SecretInternetDoucheBag

The real question is how the hell news organizations did not consider these guidelines as news. WTF

"If news organizations do it, then it is not news."
--Richard M. Nixon, almost

302 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:38pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

The same Press that's under scrutiny here?

303 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:40pm

re: #274 SecretInternetDoucheBag

The real question is how the hell news organizations did not consider these guidelines as news. WTF

The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club.

304 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:43:48pm

The Seven Rules of Journalism

1. Find the truth
2. Tell the truth
3. Do not fabricate truth
4. Do not "guess" the truth
5. Do not add or subtract "facts" from the truth
6. Facts are not truth
7. Facts are merely facets of the shining diamond of truth

/in my world

305 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:44:07pm

re: #285 Bat Boy

re: #262 Cognito

re: #248 formercorpsman

Quick P.S. -- yeah, the people comparing this set of misguidelines to Nazi propaganda are either just having fun bashing the press, or have no sense of what real fascist agit-prop looks like. Either way it's not worth a lot of attention.

Bat Boy says pull your head out of your ass. Are these guideline Nazi? No. Fascist? Yeah. Anything short of the truth from out press is a problem. If you let this shit slide now, where does it stop? There are many aspects of Islam that are becoming radicalized and dangerous - and there are many groups within it that already are. The press looking for ways to soften the truth is a problem. Willing fools who dismiss it are a problem. Ooh ooh the exotic person is being bad, maybe if we talk nicely about them they won't cut our heads off first. Stop living in a September 10 world.

Um... right.

That's a whole lot of projection, man. I never said any of that.

306 gymnast  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:44:57pm

The American Proctological Society is more professional and objective in recognizing and diagnosing a bunch of terrorist Islamist assholes than than is the Society of Professional Journalists (who are an easily diagnosed pack of terminally leaky assholes). The only consistent characteristics of the press are its mendacity and treasonable behavior.

307 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:45:03pm

re: #284 threecoloursblue

re: #262 Cognito

As an insider; what was wrong... or considered to be incomplete... with the Ethics Code on the home page ? Surely by following the Ethics Code profiling etc would have been avoided in the normal run of events? Why was a special set of guidelines proposed? Was there political pressure?

I think their activism alarm went off the moment the word "hijacked" was first said on 9/11. They knew where they could take this politically.

308 johnny canuck  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:45:35pm

#275 guitardalek

"...martydom technicians"

Not bad, I like "spontaneously combusting islamists"

309 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:45:47pm

re: #299 Cognito

I thought there might have been gossip, that's all.

310 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:45:54pm

re: #287 abolitionist

re: #188 Tigger

re: #161 guitardalek

"Entire religions..." I just love the plural. What other religions are linked to terrorism?

Shintoism, for one, was presented as favorably as any in a book that a JW neighbor lent me. The chapter seemed to be about, "See, all these monotheistic religions glorify the same deity." Of course islam got a pass. Only one (Mayan, I think) didn't. It was illustrated with a priest ripping the heart out of a living sacrificee.

"ab" -

In the Buffalo Springfield Bizzarro World, ISLAM is "just another religion" - In The Real World - DUH! That is All.

-S-

311 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:46:08pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

re: #278 newsjunkie_ky

I had the same impression from that news conference too. The press has treated Obama so softly that he hasn't developed the ability to actually answer tough questions. He might get used to it but the press may actually tear him apart.


Should be easy, as he is nothing more than an empty suit.

312 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:46:21pm

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Sheesh. Rope-worthy though they are, I don't think any Nazis have flown a plane into a building since about May 7, 1945. Even then it wasn't on purpose, it was because their ass had been shot down.

313 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:46:22pm

re: #283 mattm

Well the problem with what I had to go thru was with the students not the teacher. He didn't really share most of his viewpoints but would just throw the question back to the rest of the class. The rest of the class was full of journalism/Communist Theory Majors and would come up with predictable answers.

314 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:46:25pm

re: #309 threecoloursblue

re: #299 Cognito

I thought there might have been gossip, that's all.

Nah. Nobody talks about the SPJ. At least no one I know.

315 Talon  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:46:38pm

They forgot an important dress code too.
> Try to avoid wearing turtle neck sweaters as this may cause the knife of your executioner to become dull and slow the process down.

The media really thinks they'll get a pass from the islamists. Little do they know that they will be the first to the chopping block.

316 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:47:07pm

"when discussing tWW2, make sure to point out that there are Jews living in South America who are not threatened and thus this whole Holocaust thing is just a minor, Nazi party specific event."

317 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:47:22pm

re: #90 Maine's Michael

No Shit? That's really damming.

318 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:47:42pm

Let me try that again:

re: #276 Maine's Michael

Well now, don't I feel stupid. WTF is wrong with me today? I should have caught that. Probably ingested too many pork products.

On another note, MM stole that "Gynosaur" thing from me. I coined a similar term about ten years ago. I want royalties./

319 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:48:31pm

re: #307 Bloodnok

I'm thinking it might be related to the " Islam is a religion of Peace" political message that went out from the Government.

320 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:48:36pm

re: #317 Ojoe

re: #90 Maine's Michael

No Shit? That's really damming.

Um, no.

321 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:48:38pm

re: #279 Shiplord Kirel

You lizardoids are clearly a reactionary and a prime candidate for re-education, as demonstrated by your continuing appeals to the mythical concept of "Truth."

“Truth” is an artificial textual construct of the oppressive white male hegemony designed to maintain its oppressive hegemonic dominance over oppressed womyn, oppressed people of color, and other oppressed victims of the white male hegemonic oppressors.

Can I have my journalism degree now?

MSM rule number one. If enough people believe the lie, it becomes the truth.

322 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:48:47pm
323 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:49:50pm

Good Evening Lizards! I'm not talking about the weather in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland or anywhere else anymore tonite.

How are you all doing and what are we talking about?

324 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:50:04pm

re: #321 LoFlyer

Um dude. In the wiki era......truth is only what the majority believes.

325 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:50:08pm

re: #304 Capitalist Tool

The Seven Rules of Journalism

1. Find the truth
2. Tell the truth
3. Do not fabricate truth
4. Do not "guess" the truth
5. Do not add or subtract "facts" from the truth
6. Facts are not truth
7. Facts are merely facets of the shining diamond of truth

/in my world


I've noticed that I have plussed a lot of your comments lately.
Wish that 'journalists' would actually report the facts.

326 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:50:08pm

re: #321 LoFlyer

re: #279 Shiplord Kirel

You lizardoids are clearly a reactionary and a prime candidate for re-education, as demonstrated by your continuing appeals to the mythical concept of "Truth."

“Truth” is an artificial textual construct of the oppressive white male hegemony designed to maintain its oppressive hegemonic dominance over oppressed womyn, oppressed people of color, and other oppressed victims of the white male hegemonic oppressors.

Can I have my journalism degree now?

MSM rule number one. If enough people believe the lie, it becomes the truth.

It does not become the truth.
It just becomes an oft- repeated lie which is believed to be the truth.

327 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:50:34pm

re: #318 Slumbering Behemoth

Props to you then, Gynosaur is funny.

328 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:50:59pm

re: #316 WrathofG-d

"when discussing tWW2, make sure to point out that there are Jews living in South America who are not threatened and thus this whole Holocaust thing is just a minor, Nazi party specific event."

They also should point out after the fact that some Germans did help some Jews escape, thus not all Germans at the time deserved the Allies bombing runs and military campaign against them.

329 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:51:07pm

How come the posts are missing the before and after empty space line?

330 Opilio  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:51:25pm

Guideline #3

3. Make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.

Specifically refers to different treatment based solely on melanin content of the skin. Racist?

What if an organization published this guideline:

3. Make an extra effort to include peach-complexioned and lighter men and women, Lutherans, Baptists and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about abortion protests.

Racist?

331 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:51:28pm

Coming soon:

Fitna The Movie

I haven't been as excited about a film coming out since Cloverfield.* I'm in dial-up Hell, so when it comes out I'll have to buffer it for probably a couple of hours, but it will be worth it.

*What's the over/under on how many people the Mohammadeans** kill to protest a Dutch politician calling their religion violent?
**Oops, the SPJ will be coming to get me.

332 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:51:49pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

He might get used to it but the press may actually tear him apart.

Yeah but he's as smooth as they come and I think he'll handle himself well enough for the patty-cake world of MSM news. Really, the toughest questions he will have to answer from here on out will come from who? Tim Russert? And while Timmy might be mean enough to pop a UFO question on you in a televised debate, he won't go so far to ask something inflammatory enough to make Obama lose his cool and start smacking him on the knee and citing Dick Clarke.

333 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:51:56pm

re: #317 Ojoe

re: #90 Maine's Michael

No Shit? That's really damming.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, Pierre.

334 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:52:12pm

re: #324 WrathofG-d

re: #321 LoFlyer

Um dude. In the wiki era......truth is only what the majority believes.

Or what gets printed on Wiki irrespective of the source....

335 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:52:13pm

re: #299 Cognito

Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.

336 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:52:14pm

We have a cultural disconnect.

"Freedom of speech must not be used to make a billion Muslims cry."
---Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta

337 Captain Hate  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:52:24pm

Keep this in mind when these unelected aholes start banging a Donk congress about how much they need a shield law so they can print wtf they want and never suffer any consequences. They like to think of themselves as the protectors of democracy despite the founding fathers strange inability to codify that. They think everybody is as dumb as they are.

338 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:52:30pm

re: #280 Tarkus289

re: #275 guitardalek

Yes, but it is coming from our side.

That's the thing, the left--and the media with it--stopped being on "our" side long ago. Just because they're Americans doesn't mean they're on our side. This war against Islamofascism is an asymmetric one, it's not a foreign country we're at war with but an idea, a movement. And the media bought into that movement.

It doesn't matter that if the Islamofascists came to power, the left and the media wouldn't be spared; they can't see that far.

339 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:53:08pm

re: #262 Cognito

Cognito, what I do grant people who make the equation is the right to their frustration.

The msm has for years, been saying they are unbiased, and this proves they are not.

I know we have had this discussion before, but when someone has a loved one in harms way, perhaps deployed in the middle of a war, and they might be at the same time killing an islamic enemy one day, and the next, taking care of some innocent Iraqi kid who lost a leg to an Iranian explosive, I can see how folks are starting to get fed up.

This is out in the open, way out in the open. It makes no bones about what they expect from their members.

My break point was when CNN aired a video of one of our troops being shot by a sniper.

They would not show cartoons, but one of our boys dying on camera is ok?

The difference I see with the nazi comparison, is the fact that there is still media competition. The nazis eliminated all opposition thought.

Let's face it, the evidence is insurmountable.

I'm telling you, and I am not trying to be belligerent at all, but the Establishment is walking a very fine line. I really do think, they are going to have an extremely hostile public at their front door sooner rather than later. It is one thing to voice your opposition by not spending your money towards it, but another when you feel your own media is loading the deck against your kid in harm's way just trying to do his constitutional duty.

340 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:53:20pm

re: #328 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #316 WrathofG-d

"when discussing tWW2, make sure to point out that there are Jews living in South America who are not threatened and thus this whole Holocaust thing is just a minor, Nazi party specific event."

They also should point out after the fact that some Germans did help some Jews escape, thus not all Germans at the time deserved the Allies bombing runs and military campaign against them.

Germany had a broad international coalition as well

341 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:53:30pm

Thanks Charles for posting this!

This definitely shows that the journalists are told to give kid gloves to Muslims and Islam compared to other groups of people like Jews or Christians...

I am trying to remember whether the East Coast sniper was before 9-11 or after but I noticed the journalists refrained from mentioning his religion for the longest time until his name was released and it was quite obvious what his religion was, with a name like Muhammad....

342 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:53:32pm

re: #308 johnny canuck

Both do have their merits.

343 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:54:04pm

re: #265 Mich-again
It is marketing.
And, in this context, treason too.

344 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

If they gave him real tough questions they would be mean.

345 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:54:14pm

Once upon a time, Walter Cronkite had an agenda, too.

346 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:54:28pm

re: #328 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Exactly. Whitewashing the enemy. (the Islamists)

Terrorists are fathers, and brothers let's not forget.

347 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:55:00pm

Time to reach for the tissues - the Gaza crisis is the worst since 1967. Gee, what happened in 1967? Oh wait, that was when Israel defeated the nations that sought to throw Israelis into the sea and wipe Israel from the map, and captured Gaza from Egypt, much to Israel's chagrin.

Oh, and the Arab League is once again claiming Israel is engaging in genocide. If it is genocide, then it's the most inept variety given that there are more Palestinians now than when Israel started the campaign - and that Israel continues to treat Palestinians in Israeli hospitals.

More here.

348 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:55:27pm

re: #336 jaunte

We have a cultural disconnect.

"Freedom of speech must not be used to make a billion Muslims cry."
---Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta

Why not?

And why are their poor little sensibilities more important than those of the groups they so blithely insult? (other than because they will riot and kill)

349 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:55:29pm

re: #338 guitardalek

I am fully aware of that, but in the context I was using, compared to
the nazi propaganda for Germany vs. American propaganda for islam.

350 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:55:38pm

re: #325 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, but I'm not sure what the pluses and minuses are about.
I just hope that some journalist somewhere will someday tell the truth.

351 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:55:58pm

re: #346 WrathofG-d

re: #328 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Exactly. Whitewashing the enemy. (the Islamists)

Terrorists are fathers, and brothers let's not forget.

Brutal murderers are people too!

352 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:05pm

re: #326 Capitalist Tool

re: #321 LoFlyer


re: #279 Shiplord Kirel

You lizardoids are clearly a reactionary and a prime candidate for re-education, as demonstrated by your continuing appeals to the mythical concept of "Truth."

“Truth” is an artificial textual construct of the oppressive white male hegemony designed to maintain its oppressive hegemonic dominance over oppressed womyn, oppressed people of color, and other oppressed victims of the white male hegemonic oppressors.

Can I have my journalism degree now?


MSM rule number one. If enough people believe the lie, it becomes the truth.

It does not become the truth.
It just becomes an oft- repeated lie which is believed to be the truth.


It's the old 'throw enough sh*t on the wall, some is bound to stick' theory.

353 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:17pm

re: #336 jaunte

We have a cultural disconnect.

"Freedom of speech must not be used to make a billion Muslims cry."
---Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta

Noooo! A billion crying Muslims will raise ocean levels, drown polar bears, and submerge Bangladesh.
/What's the sound of a billion Muslims crying?

354 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:23pm

re: #327 Tarkus289

Mine was similar but different. Sorta rhymed, but one extra syllable, started with a "V".

I was pondering on the depths of evil of a certain (ex)girlfriend was up to, and came up with this phrase to describe her as "A [deleted] of mastodonic proportions".

It can apply to Steinem as well.

355 gymnast  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:26pm

It takes two to create a lie. Someone to tell it, and someone to believe it.

356 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:27pm

re: #350 Capitalist Tool

re: #325 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, but I'm not sure what the pluses and minuses are about.
I just hope that some journalist somewhere will someday tell the truth.

We should all live so long

357 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:27pm

this just in...

Society Of Professional Journalists Issues Fatwa, Activism Suspected

358 NY Nana  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:27pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think Hitch is right on this one.

I thought he wrote an excellent article. This whole election thing is really getting to me, and it is only March.

359 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:39pm

re: #341 psaturn

After..

360 p0s3r  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:56:40pm

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Moral Equivalence. When all else fails, try it!

361 seekeroftruth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #339 formercorpsman

Well said. Thank you.

362 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:57:13pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Killgore, I think they are getting ready to beat him up a little bit.

Rezko's trial just started.

It should be very difficult to play the race card off of that subject for his defenders.

363 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:57:38pm

re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.

There's nothing to 'adhere' to, is what I'm saying. Literally no one I know has ever looked to the SPJ for guidance. Ever.

If you're asking why people write and say stupid crap, well -- people can be stupid.

364 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:57:59pm

re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.


cognito is a 'journalist'? That explains a lot.

365 straitcircle  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:58:05pm

The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam

That is what Usama bin Laden had said ....They are just mirroring his sentiments. When do they write positive articles about Christians?

366 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:58:34pm

re: #347 lawhawk

After Israel voluntarily ethnically cleansed all Jews, and Jewish institutions from Aza, placed them into refugee camps, and donated millions dollars worth of property and greenhouses to the Arabs, and received nothing but burnt, desecrated, and destroyed synagogues, dismantled greenhouses, Hamas and terrorism (including Rockets and mortars), THEY ARE GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE.

I don't care if it really is even "worst since 1967". You choose terror you get the result.

Wipe the Terrorists out....make peace.

367 DesertSage  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:58:45pm

re: #362 formercorpsman

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Killgore, I think they are getting ready to beat him up a little bit.

Rezko's trial just started.

It should be very difficult to play the race card off of that subject for his defenders.

Are you kidding? Every time I see a picture of Rezko, his face keeps getting darker.

368 pat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:58:47pm

re: #197 Cognito

The variety-in-coverage bit doesn't really bother me that much. Journalists should give accurate impressions: Not all Muslims wear hijabs, etc, informational language is certainly better than inflammatory, etc ad nauseum... It's all common sense.

The bit that really bothers me, actually, isn't highlighted. It's this little gem at the end:

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

That's outrageous. I'm assuming -- for heaven's sake -- that the 'review' doesn't happen until after printing, because for a journalist to hand over his work for 'review' (preview, really) would introduce any number of conflicts. But even assuming they mean after publication -- why? If a journalist is doing his job, cultivating good sources, keeping an open mind and clear eyes, he doesn't need to submit his work for review, most especially by the 'target' -- target! -- he's covering.

The most important review is by each and every reader a journalist serves.

Doh. These racists fools are being led to the slaughter. Censorship in the name of.........nothing. Absolutely mothing. Meaningless lies scribbled down to protect a whimpy,silly, and defenseless policy of quilt. What asses.

369 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:58:52pm
370 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:59:02pm

re: #355 gymnast

It takes two to create a lie. Someone to tell it, and someone to believe it.

what about the guy that re-educates you if you don't believe , and the guy that kills you if that doesn't work?

371 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:59:11pm

re: #339 formercorpsman

Right on!

372 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:59:35pm

re: #363 Cognito

But why are they seeming to follow the guidelines if they do not look to the SPJ for guidance? How else could this uniformity in shading the truth have come about?

373 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #359 Tarkus289

re: #341 psaturn

After..

Thanks!

374 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:59:43pm

re: #354 Slumbering Behemoth

I like that one too.

375 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 7:59:44pm

re: #359 Tarkus289

Yeah, it was like, September-October 2002, I went to HS in Richmond, VA and we got a couple days off after the shootings in Ashland...

After they got caught, they had the defense attorney come and speak to the school. The lengths they went to fabricating stories about how it was not ideologically motivated! An elaborate story about how he wanted to get his children back from his ex-wife who had custody, so he shot 14 people...

376 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:00:19pm

re: #364 newsjunkie_ky

re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.


You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.


cognito is a 'journalist'? That explains a lot.

I got a kick out of the quote marks.

It made me 'smile.'

377 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:00:27pm
— Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading

And by all means, avoid oxymoronic constructions such as "objective journalist".

378 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:00:58pm

re: #319 threecoloursblue

re: #307 Bloodnok

I'm thinking it might be related to the " Islam is a religion of Peace" political message that went out from the Government.

By November, 2001 the coalition had already been in Afghanistan for about a month. Sides were being drawn. Even though most of the appeasers were still wearing their flag pins in Congress, those that were not accountable to anyone (the MSM) were already letting their true feelings be shown ("civilian deaths" stories). These are the marching orders for just a few of them.

My tuppence, anyway. Bastards.

379 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:01:43pm

re: #363 Cognito

Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.[...] Literally no one I know has ever looked to the SPJ for guidance. Ever.

Of course not, not so long as The New York Times does it for them...

380 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:16pm

re: #360 p0s3r

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Moral Equivalence. When all else fails, try it!

I've got a deal for the SPJ: Let's compare
the number of murders of abortion clinic employees since 1999* with the number of murders committed by the religion of peace since 1999?

*That'd be ZERO, according to prochoice.org

381 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:26pm

re: #350 Capitalist Tool

re: #325 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, but I'm not sure what the pluses and minuses are about.
I just hope that some journalist somewhere will someday tell the truth.


Are you melinda dolittle?
/American Idol reference

382 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:26pm

Rezko looks more and more like Dr. Phil each time I see him

383 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:36pm

re: #354 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #327 Tarkus289

Mine was similar but different. Sorta rhymed, but one extra syllable, started with a "V".

I was pondering on the depths of evil of a certain (ex)girlfriend was up to, and came up with this phrase to describe her as "A [deleted] of mastodonic proportions".

It can apply to Steinem as well.

Lay off of Hillary's ass, ok?

384 nyc redneck  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:40pm

and this right after 9-11. when the focus of the msm should have been to inform us, they immediately formulate a plan to deceive us. society of professional journalists =society of professional liars.

385 gymnast  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:46pm

re: #370 spidly

re: #355 gymnast

It takes two to create a lie. Someone to tell it, and someone to believe it.

what about the guy that re-educates you if you don't believe , and the guy that kills you if that doesn't work?

They're just doing their job. You're not against full employment are you?

386 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:02:53pm

re: #363 Cognito

re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.

There's nothing to 'adhere' to, is what I'm saying. Literally no one I know has ever looked to the SPJ for guidance. Ever.

If you're asking why people write and say stupid crap, well -- people can be stupid.

Yes , poorly posed question. No one listens to SPJ? Does anyone belong, and if so why? Are you saying proceedings from this organization are meaningless? I'm slow and just don't understand. I am not being sarcastic, just don't get it I guess. Professional organizations I am familiar with promote best practices.

387 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #364 newsjunkie_ky

re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.


You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.


cognito is a 'journalist'? That explains a lot.

LOL...I think Cognito is a very nice person. He is good to have around to give the journalists' viewpoint...

I could see why he would say that journalists "There's nothing to 'adhere' to, is what I'm saying. Literally no one I know has ever looked to the SPJ for guidance. Ever."

But the funny thing is, we have observed quite frequently these guidelines being followed by the journalists as if they really followed those guidelines...

388 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:03:27pm

It's Uno the Beagle Day in Illinois.

389 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:03:32pm
390 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:03:51pm

re: #382 spidly

You ever sit around and wonder what people would dig up if you ever ran for POTUS?

I do all the time.

391 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:04:06pm

re: #372 SpartanWoman

re: #363 Cognito

But why are they seeming to follow the guidelines if they do not look to the SPJ for guidance? How else could this uniformity in shading the truth have come about?

Bit of a broad question, that.

Like I said -- people can be stupid.

392 Carolyn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:04:27pm

They are working for Stan.
From Thessalonians

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
393 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:04:36pm

re: #377 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Muslim extremist

If a Jew strives to follow the written law he is called Orthodox. A Christian: Fundamentalist. But a Muslim who wants to do exactly what the Koran says is considered an extremist. (Rule 12.1a)

394 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:04:43pm

re: #380 Palandine

Here are some numbers for the other.
target="_blank">[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

395 kafir  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:05:10pm

The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

so anti-jihadists are those who resist these "exertions"?

Ohmyfrikingod.

396 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:05:43pm

re: #394 Tarkus289

Must learn how to do that link thing.

397 jmmejzz  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:05:55pm

It's like whatever happened to journalism, report the story and let the chips fall where they may.

398 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:06:18pm

re: #380 Palandine

re: #360 p0s3r


— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Moral Equivalence. When all else fails, try it!


I've got a deal for the SPJ: Let's compare
the number of murders of abortion clinic employees since 1999* with the number of murders committed by the religion of peace since 1999?

*That'd be ZERO, according to prochoice.org

Look, let's not let "facts" get in the way of the truth, here. Radical anti-abortionists have as much of a history of beheading journalists and bombing nightclubs and flying jetliners into buildings as the people who do it every day.

/

399 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:06:28pm

re: #390 WrathofG-d

re: #382 spidly

You ever sit around and wonder what people would dig up if you ever ran for POTUS?

I do all the time.

I don't wonder, i know. maybe someday if I want to humiliate my children. good weapon - do your homework or I'll run for congress.

400 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:06:28pm

re: #393 Mich-again

re: #377 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Muslim extremist

If a Jew strives to follow the written law he is called Orthodox. A Christian: Fundamentalist. But a Muslim who wants to do exactly what the Koran says is considered an extremist. (Rule 12.1a)

Great point !

401 Squirrelguy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:06:39pm

re: #336 jaunte

We have a cultural disconnect.

"Freedom of speech must not be used to make a billion Muslims cry."
---Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta

Fuck 'em.

402 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:06:51pm

re: #391 Cognito

re: #372 SpartanWoman


re: #363 Cognito

But why are they seeming to follow the guidelines if they do not look to the SPJ for guidance? How else could this uniformity in shading the truth have come about?


Bit of a broad question, that.

Like I said -- people can be stupid.

But all stupid in a rather uniform and predictable way, almost as if they were following guidelines.

403 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:07:09pm

re: #376 Cognito
I was married to a 'jounalist' and have worked in the media, print, radio, and TV, so have been around journalist most of my life. I understand, glad it made you 'smile'.

404 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:07:28pm

The Board of Directors would like to hear from you.

405 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:07:50pm

re: #400 psaturn

re: #393 Mich-again

re: #377 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Muslim extremist

If a Jew strives to follow the written law he is called Orthodox. A Christian: Fundamentalist. But a Muslim who wants to do exactly what the Koran says is considered an extremist. (Rule 12.1a)

Great point !

Islam is a pretty "extreme" religion.

406 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:07:57pm

re: #401 Squirrelguy

re: #336 jaunte

We have a cultural disconnect.

"Freedom of speech must not be used to make a billion Muslims cry."
---Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta

Fuck 'em.

I wonder what his position is on whining or seething?

407 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:08:47pm

re: #386 The Shadow Do

re: #363 Cognito

re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.

There's nothing to 'adhere' to, is what I'm saying. Literally no one I know has ever looked to the SPJ for guidance. Ever.

If you're asking why people write and say stupid crap, well -- people can be stupid.

Yes , poorly posed question. No one listens to SPJ? Does anyone belong, and if so why? Are you saying proceedings from this organization are meaningless? I'm slow and just don't understand. I am not being sarcastic, just don't get it I guess. Professional organizations I am familiar with promote best practices.

No, these are great questions. It's just that the media is a big ol' sprawling thing. There's no one leading group. It's more akin to retail sales than, say, shipbuilders or baseball umpires or whatever.

Does that make sense?

408 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:09:14pm

re: #367 DesertSage

Sage, I have to say, the fact they made such a big deal about that is more than telling.

I know, preaching to the choir.

It is projection at it's finest.

Either those of us on the right would never vote for Obama because he is black, or we would really not vote for him because he is a darker shade, hence the subliminal.

But the Independents might vote for Procol Harum, unless of course, Hillary gets a crayon out.

At times, I wish it could just come down to settling differences in a cage match.

I ready to do the superfly from the top of the cage by now.

409 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:09:26pm

re: #402 SpartanWoman

As I pointed out to Cognito, the general ethics code, to be found on the home page, covers everything about profiling anyway. So why a special set of guidelines if everything's covered?

410 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:09:53pm

re: #404 solomonpanting

Smiling faces sometimes.....

Back stabbers, all of them.

411 JohnAdams  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:09:56pm

Amazing the intellectual backflips that some otherwise intelligent people will extend themselves to in order to justify their own cowardice. Yellow, chickenshit, pansy-ass traitors who refuse to stand up for the ground their parents won for them, the ground they currently stand on, or the ground they should preserve for their children. The greatest flaw in the victory of our civilization is the tyranny of guilt.

412 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:10:05pm

re: #404 solomonpanting

The Board of Directors would like to hear from you.

Gordon Govier must be a lonely guy at their social functions.

Gordon Govier
Internet Editor
InterVarsity Christian Fellowship USA

413 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:10:51pm

re: #355 gymnast

It takes two to create a lie. Someone to tell it, and someone to believe it.

This is the issue that the MSM doesn't understand. The 85 percent liberal journalists truly believe the vast majority of their subscribers will believe anything they print or broadcast. Unfortunately recent statistics place consumer confidence in the media below 20 percent.

What I find truly inspiring, is even with the media BS, that 70 percent of Americans see right through their mis-pronouncements and suppressed stories, recognize the reality of the situation and act and vote accordingly! my hats off to all Americans that have better sense than "change".

414 JoggerNot  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:11:27pm

Islam..cant live with it... cant live without it...OK.

415 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:11:37pm

re: #407 Cognito

No, these are great questions. It's just that the media is a big ol' sprawling thing. There's no one leading group. It's more akin to retail sales than, say, shipbuilders or baseball umpires or whatever.

Does that make sense?

Yes, it does help explain the field of journalism. I do though wonder why the subject organization exists. Do you belong? Do most journalists (no quotes)? Why?

416 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:11:40pm

re: #387 psaturn

re: #364 newsjunkie_ky


re: #335 The Shadow Do

re: #299 Cognito


Re: SPJ - it's not some overarching thing that journalists watch for cues.

You are the authority here so I ask, why are these guidelines so widely adhered to? How do you as a journalist explain the obvious reluctance to name the enemy? Simple questions from a simple guy. Within my own humble professional society standards and recommended procedures are largely the raison d'etre.

cognito is a 'journalist'? That explains a lot.

LOL...I think Cognito is a very nice person. He is good to have around to give the journalists' viewpoint...

I could see why he would say that journalists "There's nothing to 'adhere' to, is what I'm saying. Literally no one I know has ever looked to the SPJ for guidance. Ever."

But the funny thing is, we have observed quite frequently these guidelines being followed by the journalists as if they really followed those guidelines...

But the funny thing is, we have observed quite frequently these guidelines being followed by the journalists as if they really followed those guidelines.

And how do you or cognito know that they don't? You KNOW what they are thinking? cognito KNOWS this as a fact?

417 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:11:54pm
418 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:12:13pm

re: #413 LoFlyer

You're On It.

419 JohnAdams  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:12:14pm

re: #390 WrathofG-d

re: #382 spidly

You ever sit around and wonder what people would dig up if you ever ran for POTUS?

I do all the time.

A good many very eligible candidates likely walk away for the same reason.

420 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:13:12pm

re: #374 Tarkus289

Please feel free to use it as often as you like.

re: #383 Capitalist Tool

Lay off of Hillary's ass, ok?

Ha! That was not the particular part of the anatomy that I was referring to. Besides, I coined the phrase "V[deleted]saur" to describe a persons character, not a specific body part.

Still, it can apply to Hillary as well.

421 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:13:29pm

re: #419 JohnAdams

I don't really have anything that I would be too embarrassed about. Nothing that Bush, Clinton, and Obama didn't do.

422 gymnast  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:13:54pm

Cognito, do you consider prostitution a legitimate part of retail sales? Or is it sort of like "journalism"?

423 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:14:10pm

Charles how long would it take for it to be front page news somewhere if you gave marching orders to us on how to refer to muslims on your website? Or how to refer to Democrats?

424 TalkinKamel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:14:13pm

#416 newsjunkie_ky

Cognito, the omnipotent! He knows all, he sees all! Like the Shadow, he knows what secrets lurk in the heart of the news media! (Heh, heh, heh. . . )

425 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:14:21pm

Goodnight bitches.

/Chappel.

426 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:14:59pm

re: #398 guitardalek

Look, let's not let "facts" get in the way of the truth, here. Radical anti-abortionists have as much of a history of beheading journalists and bombing nightclubs and flying jetliners into buildings as the people who do it every day.

/

I just get so frustrated. People who kill abortion doctors are scumbags, but it hasn't happened since 1999. The Olympic bomber is a scumbag. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are scumbags. All those scumbags have faced tough justice and have the disdain of the American people.

Then, Islamist scumbags kill 3000 innocent civilians, and toothless Palestinian whores pass out candy. Osama bin Laden is a hero in the Muslim world. Cowardly Muslims blow themselves up and get the honorific "shaheed" or "martyr." It's not considered unusual for tens of thousands to riot over cartoons or movies.

And then a journalism society, supposedly interested in FACTS, comes up with candy-coated lies to make the sheeple go back to sleep.

This is a sore spot for me. I went to grad school in journalism before I figured out they weren't about the facts, just the agenda.

427 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:15:10pm

re: #387 psaturn


But the funny thing is, we have observed quite frequently these guidelines being followed by the journalists as if they really followed those guidelines...

What was the phrase? Ah, yes...

Let us say that the journalism profession is a herd mentality, oft shot through with flabby pudding-like thinking.

What's on the front page of the Times, anyway?

428 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:16:15pm

re: #393 Mich-again

re: #377 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Muslim extremist

If a Jew strives to follow the written law he is called Orthodox. A Christian: Fundamentalist. But a Muslim who wants to do exactly what the Koran says is considered an extremist. (Rule 12.1a)

Beware of the practicing Muslim. (Rule #1)

429 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:16:40pm

re: #426 Palandine

sounds about right.

430 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:16:49pm

re: #421 WrathofG-d

re: #419 JohnAdams

I don't really have anything that I would be too embarrassed about. Nothing that Bush, Clinton, and Obama didn't do.

Been caught dressing up in ceremonial Islamic garb too, eh?

431 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:17:02pm

re: #426 Palandine

When was the exact moment you had that realization if you don't mind me asking?

432 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:17:24pm

I don't care much for advocacy journalism of any sort. I just like information. I can kind of figure things out for myself.

433 LoFlyer  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:17:38pm

Got to run, Charles, thanks for the topic and lets hope we see more research on this issue. Catch you on the flip side....

434 hakkoryu  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:18:05pm

Does their definition of "other groups with a history of such activity" include PETA or ELF?

435 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:18:18pm

re: #430 guitardalek

Nope but was a "gangsta" for Halloween one year.

smoked a bit, drank a lot, and some other colorful habits.

436 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:18:41pm

re: #360 p0s3r

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Moral Equivalence. When all else fails, try it!

I was pondering that, and was wondering why it seems that one sect of terrorist thought (i.e. radical anti-abortionist assassins) is vilified in our press, while another sect (i.e. islamofascist suicide assassins) are given a whitewash. Things that make you go hmm.

On another note, I am also wondering why you chose that nic. Any significance?

437 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:18:45pm

re: #430 guitardalek

re: #421 WrathofG-d


re: #419 JohnAdams

I don't really have anything that I would be too embarrassed about. Nothing that Bush, Clinton, and Obama didn't do.


Been caught dressing up in ceremonial Islamic garb too, eh?

What was that get up he was wearing at the dinner with Said and friends?

438 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:18:55pm

re: #402 SpartanWoman

re: #391 Cognito

re: #372 SpartanWoman


re: #363 CognitoBut why are they seeming to follow the guidelines if they do not look to the SPJ for guidance? How else could this uniformity in shading the truth have come about?


Bit of a broad question, that. Like I said -- people can be stupid.

But all stupid in a rather uniform and predictable way, almost as if they were following guidelines.

There's a whole long explanation -- in my opinion at least -- on why the media tends to tilt the way it does. I'm not sure anyone would care to read it, though. Sort of navel-gazing.

Essentially journalism isn't built, believe it or not, to lean left. It's built tilted toward conflict. Conflict is inherently more interesting -- and sellable -- than something remaining the same.

Liberalism, American-style, tends to tear things down, where conservatism tends to... conserve. So over the decades -- centuries, really -- some powerful tides shifted journalism to the left.

You can see the shift happen, if you study historical journalism. Two papers in every town meant slugging it out for sensational headlines, then media shifted toward the electronic, and two papers became one, and the vigor of competition -- even though it was sensational -- settled into lazy ideology. And television journalists are for the most part cows, led about by newspapers.

Anyway. Not sure if anyone bothered to slog through that. The upshot is that journalism was originally biased toward conflict, due to market forces, it shifted toward lazy leftism, and now things are all headed toward irresponsible haste, thanks to blogs, etc.

439 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:19:10pm

re: #421 WrathofG-d

re: #419 JohnAdams

I don't really have anything that I would be too embarrassed about. Nothing that Bush, Clinton, and Obama didn't do.

who kept you out of jail?
They have plenty to be embarrassed about but lack a conscience so can't be shamed.

I might be able to run for SCROTUS.

440 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:19:12pm

re: #412 Bloodnok


Gordon Govier must be a lonely guy at their social functions.

Gordon Govier
Internet Editor
InterVarsity Christian Fellowship USA

Maybe he talks basketball.

441 neocon hippie  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:19:53pm

All I can add is, what a bunch of gutless PC p***ies.

442 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:20:17pm

Does anyone here have a membership with SPJ so they can look up the members? There's a link, but you have to register. I'm just thinking someone here might just be a member.

*ahem*

443 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:20:24pm

re: #436 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm waiting to hear the "abortion bombers" side of the story, and why they have had to "resort", and were forced to bomb clinics.

444 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:20:36pm

re: #435 WrathofG-d

re: #430 guitardalek

Nope but was a "gangsta" for Halloween one year.

smoked a bit, drank a lot, and some other colorful habits.

bet there's a purim pic we could represent as being Islamic garb

445 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:20:43pm

re: #438 Cognito

I slogged through it, but the marching orders came from the Kremlin at
some point in the 60s, and they have not looked back.

446 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:21:03pm

re: #439 spidly

Other than some drug use, I'm pretty clean cut.

Wrath in 2020.

447 unclassifiable  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:21:48pm

Beautiful

Sanctioning bowdlerizing the news.

Great.

That really makes sense for journalist.

But what it really indicates the pervasiveness of the liberal mindset in the "profession".

(like the scare quotes?)

Because only a liberal/socialist/communist would take something as precious as freedom of the press and as necessary as journalistic integrity and wad it up and flush it down the toilet.

448 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:21:49pm

re: #442 Noam Sayin'

'cuz I'm just thinking. Knowing who the members are would shed a lot of light on this issue, no?

Hmm...

449 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:22:08pm

re: #434 hakkoryu

Does their definition of "other groups with a history of such activity" include PETA or ELF?

Elf?

h/t SaDM

450 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:22:08pm

re: #444 spidly

A relative dressed up as an Arab once. I owned a kiffiyah.

451 DesertSage  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:22:33pm

re: #446 WrathofG-d

re: #439 spidly

Other than some drug use, I'm pretty clean cut.

Wrath in 2020.

Did you inhale?

452 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:23:18pm

re: #451 DesertSage

and loved it.

oh, wait, I mean...NO.

I did chase down any idiot that took any incriminating pics of me though.

453 unclassifiable  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:23:43pm

re: #451 DesertSage

"Inhaled and drank the bong water."

Dennis Miller

454 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:23:57pm

Even assuming, arguendo, that the journalism profession pays little attention to the Society of Professional Journalists organization, one would have to wonder if the organization sees itself as representative of the views of professional journalists, or if a journalist was writing on the craft, would they consider SPJ a reliable source for comments that reflected a consensus view of the profession concerning ethics and standards?

455 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:24:08pm

Amir Taheri points out Obama's real Mideast problem


In Islam, of course, anyone born of a Muslim father is automatically regarded as Muslim. But Obama is hardly obliged to abide by what Muslims may or may not think of his religious status. As a citizen of a free and democratic state, he can cross from one faith to anther or have no faith at all without losing any of his rights, including the right to stand for the highest office.

What's troubling about Obama's approach to the mini-storm stirred by his political enemies over his name is what may look like an attempt at obfuscation. He has behaved as if he did have a family secret, and as if the name Hussein was something to be ashamed of - or, worse still, as if a Muslim background is somehow a handicap for an American politician in ways that Christian, Jewish, Mormon or any other faith is not.

That, of course, is hurtful to Muslims - a majority of whom reject the anti-American diatribes of the radical and violent minority.

456 MellyMel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:24:20pm

I am sure someone already pointed this out but "WTF?"

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

457 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:24:22pm

re: #431 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #426 Palandine

When was the exact moment you had that realization if you don't mind me asking?

Day 1. We were going around the class introducing ourselves to the prof and telling her what we'd majored in in college. When it was my turn, I said "Program of Liberal Studies: a 3-year Great Books Seminar in philosophy, thology, and literature."

She replied: Oh, you took the dead white European male major.

The darkness began to clear a little that day.

Later that semester, in a writing class, the prof was basically going on about the above, only it wasn't whitewashing Islam. It was "If you ever write about Africa, don't mention the poverty, disease, violence, or corruption, since those are legacies of colonial oppression. instead, write about small African businesses and culture and the like."

I'd been an idealist--I wanted to bring the facts to the world. But Mizzou's graduate school was all about the truthy hopeful change of it all. I'd been a liberal in college, I'd started rethinking when I lived in Ireland and had to endure a lot of abuse from holier-than-thou liberals, and grad school turned me to the libertarian I was until 9/11.

458 guitardalek  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:24:56pm

re: #437 SpartanWoman

This?

I have no idea what that is, can't tell from the picture...

459 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:25:17pm

re: #442 Noam Sayin'

Does anyone here have a membership with SPJ so they can look up the members? There's a link, but you have to register. I'm just thinking someone here might just be a member.

*ahem*

Here's a site where you can look up Freelanchers by state. You get a short bio.

460 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:26:35pm

re: #439 spidly

I might be able to run for SCROTUS.

The saline injections are quite uncomfortable, I would expect.

461 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:26:55pm

The more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion these guidelines were written with a liberal mindset in regards to conservatives. They were writing this so that the evil racist conservatives, who elected Bush twice, do not get more angry and want to invade more countries. Maybe I am off base here but it is just my opinion.

462 gymnast  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:26:57pm

re: #438 Cognito

Great explanation, problem is that now journalism is in conflict with the people rather than another set of journalists. The consolidation of the print media is contributing to it's demise. The sameness of the big three broadcast media is doing likewise.

463 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:27:41pm

re: #451 DesertSage

re: #446 WrathofG-d

re: #439 spidly

Other than some drug use, I'm pretty clean cut.

Wrath in 2020.

Did you inhale?

why would I suck on the needle?

464 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:27:53pm

Come to think of it, this document wasn't even necessary,
all the media outlets would default to those guidelines anyway.

465 Racer X  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:28:33pm

re: #438 Cognito
Exactly

466 seekeroftruth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:28:39pm

re: #438 Cognito

That's an interesting take on the industry, Cognito.
I think most people have turned to blogs because they see through the misreporting going on in the MSM. People are looking for facts and truth and right now blogs - the reputable ones - are supplying a need that the MSM does not and will not provide. Too bad the MSM will not listen to the consumer......

467 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:28:45pm

re: #461 SecretInternetDoucheBag

True, but it was written in 2001.

468 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:29:00pm

The one journalism class I took in college had us read the tenents of journalism from the SPJ. From what I gathered from the class they were supposed to be very credible.

469 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #463 spidly

You don't inhale you drop, or chew..

470 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:29:26pm

re: #460 Dar ul Harb

And afterward, "running" for anything would be difficult.

471 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:30:16pm

re: #464 Tarkus289

Come to think of it, this document wasn't even necessary,

Thats true. Its like sending out a newsletter reminding engineers that the sum of the forces equals zero.

472 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:30:30pm
473 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:30:39pm

re: #467 Tarkus289

re: #461 SecretInternetDoucheBag

True, but it was written in 2001.

Excuse me I went to happy hour.

474 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:31:25pm

re: #469 WrathofG-d

re: #463 spidly

You don't inhale you drop, or chew..

inhaled beer. gets hard to drink when you've got the perma-grin chuckle thing going on

475 Racer X  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:31:50pm

We all know that crap is king.

Give us dirty laundry.

476 shibumi  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:31:58pm

re: #402 SpartanWoman

re: #391 Cognito

re: #372 SpartanWoman


re: #363 CognitoBut why are they seeming to follow the guidelines if they do not look to the SPJ for guidance? How else could this uniformity in shading the truth have come about?


Bit of a broad question, that. Like I said -- people can be stupid.

But all stupid in a rather uniform and predictable way, almost as if they were following guidelines.

Here's my jump into the fray:

I suspect that many of those who write the news are afraid of 'blacklash' in the form of complaints of one style or another. They are especially terrified of cries of 'racist Islamophobe.' Complaints can land them in the news directors office. Or the general managers office.

The solution? Cover topics in such a politically correct way that it is impossible for those who might complain to complain.

In other words, pander to the self proclaimed victims, but demonize groups like Christian evangelicals, who don't tend to make a fuss.

Think self imposed political correctness on steroids.

477 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:32:12pm

re: #438 Cognito

But soft-pedalling extremism and minimizing a murderous ideology does exactly the opposite. It stifles the sense of conflict.

And the notion that everyone would independently choose the same tone out of laziness or for any other reason doesn't seem to work for me.

Maybe it's just some sort of quick spreading airborn virus, but it feels deliberate and almost codfied.

478 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:32:20pm
479 Timbre  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:32:24pm
— Avoid using terms such as “jihad” unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of “jihad” is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

Bulldung. The common usage of the word is striving on the path of Allah to make Islam victorious. It is a supremacist and violent concept.

480 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:32:56pm

re: #457 Palandine

Thank you for sharing. My experience involved the class mostly but my government major was full of teachers that would openly tell the class they were Democrats or use their opinions as an entire 3 hour class's material but would fail to put it on the test.

481 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #474 spidly

opium, whiskey, weed, and beer.

/that would be a great night.

482 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:33:58pm

re: #469 WrathofG-d

button, button, who's got the button

483 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:34:02pm

re: #476 shibumi

The solution? Cover topics in such a politically correct way that it is impossible for those who might complain to complain.

Thats the best explanation so far.

484 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:34:49pm

re: #483 Mich-again

But they complain anyway, resulting in even lighter coverage.

485 jenv  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:35:04pm

re: #455 Mich-again

Amir Taheri points out Obama's real Mideast problem


That, of course, is hurtful to Muslims - a majority of whom reject the anti-American diatribes of the radical and violent minority.


I wonder what fact-free source he used to come to that conclusion.

486 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:35:22pm

re: #458 guitardalek

There's a better picture somewhere but it's not a suit and tie. And a plain black shirt seems sort of casual for this gathering

487 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:35:50pm

re: #477 SpartanWoman

re: #438 Cognito

But soft-pedalling extremism and minimizing a murderous ideology does exactly the opposite. It stifles the sense of conflict.

And the notion that everyone would independently choose the same tone out of laziness or for any other reason doesn't seem to work for me.

Maybe it's just some sort of quick spreading airborn virus, but it feels deliberate and almost codfied.

No codification, I'm afraid. There's no big meeting. It's just organic, free-range stupidity.

As for "soft-pedalling extremism and minimizing a murderous ideology": Not everyone would agree that's what's going on. Just two days ago Charles linked an essay by Michael Totten that argued the more extreme versions of Islam are getting undue attention for the very reasons I named.

There's a bit of damed-if-do-or-don't, involved.

488 shibumi  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:36:43pm

re: #483 Mich-again

re: #476 shibumi

The solution? Cover topics in such a politically correct way that it is impossible for those who might complain to complain.

Thats the best explanation so far.

Because it's all about covering your a**

489 cantrecant  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:37:09pm
Use spellings preferred by the American Muslim Council, including “Muhammad,” “Quran,” and “Makkah,” not “Mecca.”

This is still shockingly disrespectful of Muslim sensibilities. To avoid further infuriating the Muslim world, Arabic script should be used. In fact all media should be published in Arabic. It's the only decent thing to do.

490 realwest  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:37:09pm

re: #438 Cognito I slogged through it (didn't really find it "slogging" though!). But I'm a tad confused about one thing.
You said in your penultimate paragraph that "settled into lazy ideology."
But in your last paragraph you said " it shifted toward lazy leftism".
I'm inclined to agree with your analysis on the other matters in your comment; competition, economics and the like and Lord knows there's been "Yellow Journalism" or irresponsible journalism yearning for conflict to sell newspapers since, well, I guess the beginning of newspapers. And I don't ever recall a time when TV journalism was really journalism although I've seen some old kinotypes (sp?) or very old film/video of Edward R. Murrow and he seemed pretty fair and thorough.
But why would competition, economic pressures and all that make the Media tilt to the Left as opposed to tilting to the right?

491 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:37:13pm

re: #475 Racer X

We all know that crap is king.

Give us dirty laundry.

492 jaunte  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:37:14pm

re: #480 SecretInternetDoucheBag

It's been going on for awhile now. One of the texts we were assigned to buy for a UT Austin government class in 1973 was Tom Hayden's book, "The Love of Possession is a Disease with Them," an antimaterialist screed now selling for .60 on Amazon. Of course, we had to pay for it.

493 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:38:00pm

re: #485 jenv

Don't diss him so quick.

494 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:39:05pm

re: #482 Capitalist Tool

re: #469 WrathofG-d

button, button, who's got the button

right here

495 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:39:13pm

re: #456 MellyMel

I am sure someone already pointed this out but "WTF?"

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Yeah, so that is why when 9-11 happened, they kept reminding us of Oklahoma City bombing done by a 'Christian' terrorist...and they actually called McVey a 'Christian' terrorist in a news account!

496 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:39:41pm

re: #494 spidly

re: #482 Capitalist Tool

re: #469 WrathofG-d

button, button, who's got the button

right here

Right arm!

497 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:39:59pm

re: #483 Mich-again

But they complain anyway, resulting in even lighter coverage.

Well, when that happens, just publish CAIR's press releases...

Problem solved.

498 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:40:26pm

re: #494 spidly

Target, truckin' various other "buttons"

499 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:40:46pm

We are almost at the #500 mark and the thread is still "on-topic". I'm not sure I've ever seen this before.

500 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:41:16pm

re: #477 SpartanWoman

re: #438 Cognito

But soft-pedalling extremism and minimizing a murderous ideology does exactly the opposite. It stifles the sense of conflict.

And the notion that everyone would independently choose the same tone out of laziness or for any other reason doesn't seem to work for me.

Maybe it's just some sort of quick spreading airborn virus, but it feels deliberate and almost codfied.

Great point !

501 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:41:41pm

re: #499 ggt

That is because it is so important.

502 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:41:53pm

re: #499 ggt

We are almost at the #500 mark and the thread is still "on-topic". I'm not sure I've ever seen this before.

A chicken and a journalist walk into a bar...

503 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:41:57pm

How hamstrung has the WOT been because of these traitors? How many of the enemy have been emboldened by these traitors? How many people have died because of these traitors?

Bad enough the press in general has been traitorous to the west in general all through the cold war but do they really have to take the side of every active enemy of western civilization? I say if they want to act like traitors they should be treated like traitors...

It's enough to give ya' a case of f'm'all... I'd recommend the Mussolini treatment minus the dignity if it wouldn't be taken "out of context"...

btw when did Islam ever become a race? Don't remember that in diversity training...

504 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:41:59pm

re: #499 ggt

We are almost at the #500 mark and the thread is still "on-topic". I'm not sure I've ever seen this before.

peyote is on topic?

505 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:11pm

re: #490 realwest

Heh™

506 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:16pm

re: #499 ggt

We are almost at the #500 mark and the thread is still "on-topic". I'm not sure I've ever seen this before.

B00bs. Damn! Too late!

507 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:21pm

re: #490 realwest

But why would competition, economic pressures and all that make the Media tilt to the Left as opposed to tilting to the right?

Good question. I tried to address that here:

Conflict is inherently more interesting -- and sellable -- than something remaining the same.

Liberalism, American-style, tends to tear things down, where conservatism tends to... conserve. So over the decades -- centuries, really -- some powerful tides shifted journalism to the left.

In a toy-model version of that point, more people will pick up a paper when its headline screams "Buildings Burn!" than the more mundane, "Everything's Pretty Much Okay."

It's easier to write the story that's full of fire and fury, and more people want to read it. So that mindset came to dominate the industry, not only about the state of downtown buildings, but the state of the union, and the general state of mind.

Make sense?

508 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:44pm

re: #499 ggt

We are almost at the #500 mark and the thread is still "on-topic". I'm not sure I've ever seen this before.

LOL ! I guess anything dealing with news media and their nefarious leftist activities will keep Lizards discussing the topic !

509 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:47pm

re: #487 Cognito

It's just organic, free range stupidity

Rotating title?

510 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:47pm

re: #491 MandyManners

re: #475 Racer X


511 BingoBunny  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:42:51pm

in WW2 the censors blocked out portions of the soldiers letters from overseas.. today they just cut it directly out of OUR news.

512 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:43:13pm

re: #423 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I think there is a tiny marching order here at LGF because if you type"m. u. z. z. i. e." It comes out "Muslem"

Let's check:

[bigoted word]

But it is just to keep things civil, which I agree with.

Though the media did say "Japs" in WW2.

513 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:44:03pm

re: #504 spidly

If it's not, it should be.

I think there are still some journalists using it.

514 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:44:35pm

re: #495 psaturn

re: #456 MellyMel


I am sure someone already pointed this out but "WTF?"

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.


Yeah, so that is why when 9-11 happened, they kept reminding us of Oklahoma City bombing done by a 'Christian' terrorist...and they actually called McVey a 'Christian' terrorist in a news account!


Funny but wasn't his motivation dissatisfaction with the government and not religion? I do not remember him screaming Jesus loves me as he detonated the bomb.

515 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:45:04pm

re: #513 ggt

re: #504 spidly

If it's not, it should be.

I think there are still some journalists using it.

gonzo journalists would not follow these rules

516 MellyMel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:45:07pm

re: #495 psaturn

I know and -- In.Cred.Ible.

My problem is that most Americans do. not. understand. islam.

/Nothing to see here folks... F-ing ridiculous.

517 uncleFuzzy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:45:41pm

re: #476 shibumi

I guess that's one way to look at it. Allow me to offer mine.

The public editor of the Chicago Tribune often writes of the "style book" that they use when writing. I have no idea what influence these "steps" have on the Tribune's style book. Maybe they agree on mundane topics. But I don't know.

I'm sure that some journalists take this offering as "The way to ..." and follow it whole hog while others may not even bother with it or get it at all.

Does anyone know the weight this actually carries? And my apologies if this has already been provided above.

518 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:46:09pm

re: #514 SecretInternetDoucheBag

He was a terrorist who happened to think he was Christian. Therefore, he was a Christian Terrorist.

/LLLogic

519 shibumi  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:46:41pm

re: #495 psaturn

re: #456 MellyMel

I am sure someone already pointed this out but "WTF?"

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Yeah, so that is why when 9-11 happened, they kept reminding us of Oklahoma City bombing done by a 'Christian' terrorist...and they actually called McVey a 'Christian' terrorist in a news account!

I'd guess that it was an unconscious psychological defense mechanism. By equating Christianity and Islam, one would make Islam much less dangerous, and therefore, make people feel less stressful about the imminent danger of another attack.

520 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:46:46pm

re: #515 spidly

I thought Gonzo finally died.

521 Cognito  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:47:08pm

re: #517 uncleFuzzy

The Associated Press Style Book carries far, far more weight than any guidelines set out by the SPJ.

522 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:48:56pm

I am really concerned about the lack of space lines before and after the text. What happened to them?

It irritates my sense of something --change! I don't like change!

523 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:49:26pm

re: #518 ggt

re: #514 SecretInternetDoucheBag

He was a terrorist who happened to think he was Christian. Therefore, he was a Christian Terrorist.

/LLLogic

actually he was an agnostic terrorist

524 Sarge1984  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:49:31pm

re: #520 ggt

Gonzo? The chicken-loving Muppet? Dead?

Did Statler and Waldorf outlive him?

/he was a journalist, too?

525 realwest  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:49:36pm

re: #459 solomonpanting
Interesting site you linked to. Here's the first narrative part of SJS's Mission Statement:
"The Society of Professional Journalists is dedicated to the perpetuation of a free press as the cornerstone of our nation and our liberty.

To ensure that the concept of self-government outlined by the U.S. Constitution remains a reality into future centuries, the American people must be well informed in order to make decisions regarding their lives, and their local and national communities.

It is the role of journalists to provide this information in an accurate, comprehensive, timely and understandable manner."

Now if you read that with what Charles posted, can you see the differences? I sure as hell can!

526 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:50:03pm

re: #520 ggt

re: #515 spidly

I thought Gonzo finally died.

He did.

527 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #519 shibumi

re: #495 psaturn

re: #456 MellyMel

I am sure someone already pointed this out but "WTF?"

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Yeah, so that is why when 9-11 happened, they kept reminding us of Oklahoma City bombing done by a 'Christian' terrorist...and they actually called McVey a 'Christian' terrorist in a news account!

I'd guess that it was an unconscious psychological defense mechanism. By equating Christianity and Islam, one would make Islam much less dangerous, and therefore, make people feel less stressful about the imminent danger of another attack.

Thus lessening the idea of conflict in journalism article and thus contradicting COGNITO 's thesis.

528 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:50:27pm

re: #511 BingoBunny

in WW2 the censors blocked out portions of the soldiers letters from overseas.. today they just cut it directly out of OUR news.

Not exactly. Today, they publish operational details of anti-terrorism programs on the front page of... wait for it...

...a certain nominee for the 2007 Fiskie award.

And instead they censor the stuff that the troops would be writing home about... namely, anything that shows any context or meaning for their efforts and sacrifice.

It's a grim milestone in journalism, let me tell you.

529 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:50:34pm

re: #523 spidly

But he was a white American -- therefore, Christian

/don't you understand! World according to journalistic stereotypes.

530 uncleFuzzy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:50:38pm

re: #521 Cognito

Thanks. I'll look into this more as I suspected something to that effect.

531 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:51:03pm

re: #520 ggt

re: #515 spidly

I thought Gonzo finally died.

Gonzo ate his gun a couple of years back. I
liked him. A lib, but at least manly and American. And we could write.
/We can't stop here. This is bat country!

532 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:51:07pm

re: #484 Tarkus289

But they complain anyway,
533 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:51:07pm

re: #520 ggt

re: #515 spidly

I thought Gonzo finally died.

yes but if you eat the button it transubstantiates....

534 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:51:14pm

re: #523 spidly

I thought that he thought he'd had a microchip implanted? Which means that he was mentally ill. So his religion, or lack of it didn't come into play.

535 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:51:19pm

re: #524 Sarge1984

did he walk into the bar with that chicken?

536 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:51:29pm

re: #502 Capitalist Tool

A chicken and a journalist walk into a bar...

I went looking for a joke along those lines, and instead I found this story from Jan. of '07:

Journalists sentenced over Islam jokes

537 Sarge1984  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:53:12pm

re: #525 realwest

Notice: "objective" or other words like that aren't in your quote.

Hmmmmmm.....

But "understandable" is. Leaving what understandable is up to interpretation.

"Oh, no, no, no, Jimmy. Too many four-syllable words. Joe Sixpack will never understand that."

538 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:53:15pm

re: #522 ggt

I am really concerned about the lack of space lines before and after the text. What happened to them?

It irritates my sense of something --change! I don't like change!


Then I know you aren't voting for obama.

539 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:53:40pm

Language warning....
gin and juice -Snoop

For those less funky: Gin and Juice - gourds

/G'nite y'all

540 GGMac  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:53:45pm

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, so we've been confused all these years since 9/11: the Islamists aren't hell-bent on destroying we infidels...they're merely "exerting themselves".

541 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:53:53pm

re: #538 newsjunkie_ky

"Long-Legged Mac Daddy"?

hell no

542 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:54:05pm

re: #534 threecoloursblue

re: #523 spidly

I thought that he thought he'd had a microchip implanted? Which means that he was mentally ill. So his religion, or lack of it didn't come into play.

so he was a terrorist who hated mondays

543 1SG(ret)  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:54:09pm

Late to the thread, saw some comments and I need to get some sleep. I haven't bought a paper for many years, and don't watch the network news. Now if I walked by a paper stand tomorrow and the headlines read "Islamists Get Their Asses Kicked Again Today By Our Brave Troops", I'm sure I'd buy that paper. Until then Fuck'un All.

Nite All, Top Out

544 socratease  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:54:55pm

Nothing like having the news story already written before it happens, it saves the 'professional journalist' so much, you know, work.

545 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:55:04pm
546 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:55:30pm

re: #531 Palandine

re: #520 ggt


re: #515 spidly

I thought Gonzo finally died.


Gonzo ate his gun a couple of years back. I
liked him. A lib, but at least manly and American. And we could write.
/We can't stop here. This is bat country!

From the wiki:

On August 20, 2005, in a private ceremony, Thompson's ashes were fired from a cannon atop a 153-foot tower of his own design (in the shape of a double-thumbed fist clutching a peyote button) to the tune of Bob Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man", known to be the song most respected by the late writer. Red, white, blue, and green fireworks were launched along with his ashes.

Awesome! I want my funeral to be like that!

547 Sarge1984  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:55:44pm

re: #535 ggt

Truth! It's in "The Muppets Take Manhattan"!

I'm not even going to look for a youtube link for that. I'm just throwing it out there...

548 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:55:47pm

Will bring a tear to your eye and a smile to your face.
The Cactus Cuties sing The National Anthem

549 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:55:52pm

re: #543 1SG(ret)

Late to the thread, saw some comments and I need to get some sleep. I haven't bought a paper for many years, and don't watch the network news. Now if I walked by a paper stand tomorrow and the headlines read "Islamists Get Their Asses Kicked Again Today By Our Brave Troops", I'm sure I'd buy that paper. Until then Fuck'un All.

Nite All, Top Out

Me too! Now THAT would be conflict journalism and would signal to other wannabe jihadis that even American journalists will stand up for their country

550 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:56:10pm

re: #531 Palandine

We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive...." And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Then it was quiet again. My attorney had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest, to facilitate the tanning process. "What the hell are you yelling about?" he muttered, staring up at the sun with his eyes closed and covered with wraparound Spanish sunglasses. "Never mind," I said. "It's your turn to drive." I hit the brakes and aimed the Great Red Shark toward the shoulder of the highway. No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough.

You might like that site.

551 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:56:38pm

re: #544 socratease

Where I work they call it "so crates". .

552 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:57:11pm

re: #542 spidly

A bit more than that. Microchip implantation and alien abduction have replaced catatonia in mental illneses.

553 swamprat  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:57:20pm

re: #524 Sarge1984

re: #520 ggt

Gonzo? The chicken-loving Muppet? Dead?

Did Statler and Waldorf outlive him?

/he was a journalist, too?


Gonzo journalism, as practised by Hunter Thompson:
1. Go to SuperBowl city.
2. Raffle off SuperBowl tickets in hotel bar.
3. Drop acid in room while watching the game on T.V. and make up shit.

554 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:57:23pm

re: #549 SpartanWoman

Such a change in the journalism would shorten this war considerably.

Good Night All.

555 realwest  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:58:03pm

re: #505 Noam Sayin'
Hey NOAM! How are you doing tonight my friend?

556 Tarkus289  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:58:05pm

re: #548 newsjunkie_ky

Tears.

557 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:58:46pm

Remember, folks, the media-industrial complex is not really sympathetic to radical Islam. lThe media professions are infested with drug addicts, homosexuals, promicuous women, and other decidedly un-Islamic types. The Wahhabis would behead the lot of them in a heartbeat if they could.

To the media industrial complex, radical Islam plays the same role the Soviet Union decades ago. It is an ally of convenience, a club with which to beat down every competing form of power or influence: church, state, family, tradition, grassroots activism. One competitor, rigorous academic tradition, has already been destroyed. The ultimate purpose is to reduce western society to a moral and intellectual cesspool in which media power would be absolute. They are close to achieving this goal, but they underestimate both the ruthlessness and the vitality of their erstwhile allies.

558 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:59:05pm
559 superchachi  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:59:13pm

"— Avoid using word combinations such as 'Islamic terrorist' or 'Muslim extremist' that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity," but DO remember to include "white supremecist" as sources of terrorism even though white+supremecist is misleading because it links a whole race of people to criminal activity.

560 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:59:16pm

re: #550 Noam Sayin'

That was one of the few movies that actually caught the feeling of the book. I laughed the whole way thru.

561 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:00:30pm

re: #552 threecoloursblue

re: #542 spidly

A bit more than that. Microchip implantation and alien abduction have replaced catatonia in mental illneses.

I was thinking of the boomtown rats - don't like mondays

562 Carolyn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:00:46pm

Maybe the press could tell us what is happening with the Amina and Sarah Said murders.....has the murderer/Father been located?
Are the police looking in dar-al-islam?
/I'm sure that murder had nothing to do with islam

563 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:00:54pm

I don't like Mondays.

564 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:00:58pm

re: #531 Palandine

I liked him. A lib, but at least manly and American. And we could write.
/We can't stop here. This is bat country!

Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. A normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. - Raoul Duke

565 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:02:23pm

re: #531 Palandine

Heh, not exactly a "liberal's liberal" was he. HST quote from a May 2005 Playboy:

On Violence-
Never hesitate to use force. It settles issues, influences people. Most people are not accustomed to solving situations by immediate and seemingly random applications of force. And the very fact that you are willing to do it—or might be—is a very powerful reasoning tool. Most people are not prepared to do that. You can establish the right reputation in this regard—you might, right in the middle of the conversation, just swat some motherfucker across the room. Make his blood shoot out in big spurts. I’m giving away trade secrets here.

I’ve been beaten worse in New York City than I ever was by the Hells Angels. I used to go out looking for punch-ups in New York. It was worth it just to see an oncoming mob of angry preppies. These weren’t fights. There was nothing personal about it. I didn’t hate these people. I was just a brawler. It was good American fun. It was all frivolous. There wasn’t any right or wrong. Just fucking Saturday-night whoopee.

566 toms38  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:02:47pm

re: #211 SecretInternetDoucheBag


— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

That is dead on- I thought the exact same thing- this is the worst of the "guidelines"

567 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #525 realwest

the American people must be well informed in order to make decisions regarding their lives

Which is why newspapers are losing readership.

568 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:03:23pm
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine and a whole galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers, screamers, leaughers...Also a quart of tequilla, a quart of rum, a case of budweiser, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls...But the only thing that worried me was the ehter. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge...
569 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:03:32pm

re: #561 spidly

I got it. I'm Irish. I don't like Mondays was anthemic here for a long time

570 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:03:41pm

re: #552 threecoloursblue

re: #542 spidly

A bit more than that. Microchip implantation and alien abduction have replaced catatonia in mental illneses.

Transmitters and microchips are still big with many who experience audio hallucinations. And when you think about it, a removable device is far less scary and provides a more satisfactory answer to sufferers than "you will need medication for the rest of your life because your brain does not work correctly". When people suddenly begin to hear conversations or commands yelled out at them it must be horrifying.

Catatonia is far less common

571 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:04:08pm
572 Merovign  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:04:11pm

Here's a radical new idea - how about "Guidelines for Countering Terrorist Propaganda?"

I'm sure that would violate what the MSM counts as "ethical standards."

573 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:05:10pm

re: #562 Carolyn

Maybe the press could tell us what is happening with the Amina and Sarah Said murders.....has the murderer/Father been located?
Are the police looking in dar-al-islam?
/I'm sure that murder had nothing to do with islam

You just hate their rich cultural diversity, don't you?
And were you aware that American scumbags killed 4 or 5 abortion doctors in the 1990s?
/SPJ

574 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:05:11pm

Dog has finally grown tired of her toy du jour and has settled into the rightous profession of warming my feet. I have Lizards on the laptop. Life is good.

575 rawmuse  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:05:13pm

New figures for total box office receipts for 2007.
Total sales $25 billion, overseas sales $17 billion.
Hollywood is now making movies primarily targeted at overseas sales.

576 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:06:07pm

Journalists on a steeeeeck!

577 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:06:18pm

re: #575 rawmuse

New figures for total box office receipts for 2007.
Total sales $25 billion, overseas sales $17 billion.
Hollywood is now making movies primarily targeted at overseas sales.


That explains the particularly shitty crop of films last year.

578 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:07:08pm

re: #555 realwest

I've been reading the Motorcycle Driver Manual. Getting ready for the written test soon.

579 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:07:13pm

re: #570 SpartanWoman

It used to be common, but the modern technological world has impinged to the extent that catatonia is now rare. That from a psychologist friend of mine.

580 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:07:24pm

re: #565 Slumbering Behemoth

He was actually pretty libertarian. I don't approve of the heavy drugs, but whatever. I just always admired how old-school manly he was. So many men who take up journalism are wussy little girly men.

581 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:07:43pm

re: #575 rawmuse

Ah, that explains "Blades of Glory" and the rest of the Will Ferrell genre.

582 Carolyn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:08:08pm

re: #573 Palandine

re: #562 Carolyn

Maybe the press could tell us what is happening with the Amina and Sarah Said murders.....has the murderer/Father been located?
Are the police looking in dar-al-islam?
/I'm sure that murder had nothing to do with islam

You just hate their rich cultural diversity, don't you?
And were you aware that American scumbags killed 4 or 5 abortion doctors in the 1990s?
/SPJ

Hey, I'm downright mean!

583 threecoloursblue  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:08:31pm

re: #575 rawmuse

Second biggest export after the aircraft industry.

584 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:08:40pm

re: #578 Noam Sayin'

Did Gonzo write that?

585 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:08:48pm

re: #521 Cognito

re: #517 uncleFuzzy

The Associated Press Style Book carries far, far more weight than any guidelines set out by the SPJ.

So when did print journalists start referring to the (capital-P) "Prophet Muhammad" as we see in so many stories these days?

I have the 35th edition of the AP Stylebook, published in 2000, which gives this definition of Islam:

Islam Followers are called Muslims. Their holy book is the Koran, which according to Islamic belief was revealed by Allah (God) to the prophet Mohammed in the seventh century in Mecca and Medina.

Small p "prophet".

586 spidly  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:08:50pm

re: #564 Capitalist Tool

Bill Clinton would have played the Jew's harp stark naked on 60 Minutes if he thought it would help him get elected. He is the Willy Loman of Generation X, a traveling salesman from Arkansas who has the loyalty of a lizard with its tail broken off and the midnight taste of a man who'd double-date with the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart.

he figured out clinton right away

587 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:09:30pm

re: #578 Noam Sayin'

re: #555 realwest

I've been reading the Motorcycle Driver Manual. Getting ready for the written test soon.

Ah yes...I flunked that one...but still got the M on my driver's license...

588 Carolyn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:09:30pm

See you all tomorrow, it's time to go to sleep.....
Play nice.

589 rawmuse  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:09:32pm

re: #581 ggt

re: #575 rawmuse

Ah, that explains "Blades of Glory" and the rest of the Will Ferrell genre.

Not to mention "Rendition".

590 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:09:34pm

re: #565 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #531 Palandine

Heh, not exactly a "liberal's liberal" was he. HST quote from a May 2005 Playboy:

On Violence-
Never hesitate to use force. It settles issues, influences people. Most people are not accustomed to solving situations by immediate and seemingly random applications of force. And the very fact that you are willing to do it—or might be—is a very powerful reasoning tool. Most people are not prepared to do that. You can establish the right reputation in this regard—you might, right in the middle of the conversation, just swat some motherfucker across the room. Make his blood shoot out in big spurts. I’m giving away trade secrets here.

I’ve been beaten worse in New York City than I ever was by the Hells Angels. I used to go out looking for punch-ups in New York. It was worth it just to see an oncoming mob of angry preppies. These weren’t fights. There was nothing personal about it. I didn’t hate these people. I was just a brawler. It was good American fun. It was all frivolous. There wasn’t any right or wrong. Just fucking Saturday-night whoopee.

Sonny Barger really dissed Thompson after Hunter wrote about hanging out with the Angels, and gettin' his ass kicked.
Barger said that Thompson was mouthin' off about the way one Angel was dealin' with his woman, and thought that the journalist was a pussy and a poser.

591 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:09:59pm

re: #560 ggt

I thought the same thing. Read the book a second time when I heard the movie was coming out. One of the more faithful reproductions to film.

This is the main advantage of ether: it makes you behave like the village drunkard in some early Irish novel ... total loss of all basic motor skills: blurred vision, no balance, numb tongue- severance of all connection between the body and the brain. Which is interesting, because the brain continues to function more or less normally ... you can actually watch yourself behaving in this terrible way, but you can't control it.

592 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:10:06pm

re: #573 Palandine

Since he doesn't have any daughters left to kill, the police probably figure he isn't a thread anymore.

593 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:10:45pm

this an open yet?

594 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:11:29pm
595 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:11:32pm

re: #593 WrathofG-d

this an open yet?

It is open just for you!

596 Catttt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:11:42pm

Dedicated to Society of Professional Journalists

Down with the sickness - Disturbed ("strong" language warning)

597 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:11:50pm

re: #591 Noam Sayin'
I have the "Great Shark Hunt" it is a whole collection of his stories. Damn funny shit.

598 ggt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:11:56pm

re: #592 ggt

re: #573 Palandine

Since he doesn't have any daughters left to kill, the police probably figure he isn't a thread anymore.

You know, I got that wrong. Strike "police" and insert "MSM".

Not to mention the PIMF on threa(d)t --I won't mention it if you won't.

599 WrathofG-d  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:12:09pm

re: #595 psaturn

Great. Glad to hear it.

So I like modern, sig-other likes classic. what to do?

600 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:12:46pm

re: #599 WrathofG-d

re: #595 psaturn

Great. Glad to hear it.

So I like modern, sig-other likes classic. what to do?

Go for modern classic then...a compromise...

601 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:12:56pm

re: #575 rawmuse

Precisely why they removed "American way" from the "Truth, Justice, and the" in the latest Superman movie. Overseas sales.

602 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:13:05pm

re: #585 Dar ul Harb

Ooh, that's the one that gets me. Either "the Prophet Mohammad" or "the prophet Mohammad" or (worst of all) "the Prophet." If journalism cared one bit about facts, it would always be "Islam's prophet Mohammad."

I'm a Christian. Mohammad was no prophet to me, but a caravan-raiding illiterate pedophile who started a death cult that has killed millions of innocent people. It's factual to say he is the prophet of Islam. It's da'wa to say he's the prophet to anyone else.

603 Racer X  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:13:07pm

Sometimes it is just better to trust your instincts.

Passenger got out before chopper crash

THE passenger in a helicopter which crashed, killing the pilot, decided to get out and walk after noticing a burning smell, an accident report says.

It said the helicopter took off with the pilot and a passenger on board but after 5-10 minutes they landed near a road after the passenger noticed a strong burning smell.

The pilot kept the engine running as the pair inspected the rubber drive belts that transfer power to the rotor system.

The pilot decided to continue flying to Doongan Station while the passenger chose to walk back, according to the report.

604 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:13:13pm

new thread, looks like more money for some oppressed group.///

605 realwest  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:14:13pm

re: #507 Cognito "not only about the state of downtown buildings, but the state of the union, and the general state of mind."
Yeah, that does make sense in many respects. But - and it's a big but (and no I'm not talking about Hillary!) this SJS crap was written shortly after 9/11.
And after 9/11 we were at war. True we weren't at war with a nation as yet (I don't think; Sheik Omar made it a war in Afghanistan somewhat later I believe) but a war nonetheless and a war which had claimed more American Casualties than Pearl Harbor and a war that was started by deliberately targeting civilians, also different from Pearl Harbor.
Now it's been quite a long time since I did this project, so please bear with me. I have the very strong memory that after Pearl Harbor was attacked, the media, universally, condemned the "Japs" (no thought there to "Japanese"), disclosed, in further and further detail as the details emerged, the horror of the attack on Pearl Harbor and was pretty much "pro-American" throughout the entire length of WW II.
There were no editorials assailing folks who might discriminate or hurt civilian "Japs" here and indeed the US Government put "Japs" - many of whom were American Citizens in Internment camps and I don't recall reading about criticism of those AT THE TIME that it happened. Moreover "Jap" atrocities commited trhoughout Western Asia, and particularly in Korea and China, were blared from every newspaper I could read (after the fact I'm talking here - I ain't THAT old!).
There was no discussion of Shintoism; no remarks to the effect that the majority of Japenese were peace loving people who'd been (mis)lead into doing horrible things to other people and nobody I know of was looking for that moderate "Jap".
Yet today, in the GWoT, we find the reverse is almost always the case and the difference between the two is, I suspect, far deeper than at Pearl Harbor we had been attacked by Military Forces of a foreign nation, while on 9/11 we were attacked by terrorists who followed a bizarre, death worshipping cult.
Why do you think that what I have stated is so (or if you disagree with my memory of the history study I did, feel free to say so)?

606 sparrowlake  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:15:09pm

Every person has a point of view and is therefore incapable of total objectivity. Journalists too are captives of their points of view, however they are supposed to strive to counteract and counterbalance their biases through the exercise of journalistic integrity and ethical standards. The development and promotion of "Guidelines" to counter bias is not inherently wrong or right, good or evil, any more than the development of any other professional standards. Each "guideline" must be considered on its own merits by each journalist and a judgment must be made as to whether the particular "guideline" actually has the effect of countering a biased point of view or whether the guideline itself promotes and advocates a biased point of view.

IMO it is painfully obvious that most of these guidelines are designed to promote the use of politically correct stereotypes and to inhibit the use of plain and honest language. Worse still the guidelines smack of the dishonesty and perversion which can be see in many of the affirmative action programs designed to counter discrimination but which themselves result in reverse discrimination. As such these guidelines necessarily distort the truth and therefore constitute a cure which is far worse than the feared disease.

607 Catttt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:15:17pm

re: #596 Catttt

Dedicated to Society of Professional Journalists

Down with the sickness - Disturbed ("strong" language warning)

Actually - that was a cleaned up version. :)

608 Palandine  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:16:07pm

re: #596 Catttt

Dedicated to Society of Professional Journalists

Down with the sickness - Disturbed ("strong" language warning)

I'm in dial-up hell, can't get YouTube, but was that the song used in the remake of Dawn of the Dead? "I can see inside you the sickness is rising/ it seems that everything good has died/ oh no, the world is a scary place"?

If so, I love that song, and its use in that film.

609 GGMac  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:16:13pm

Our local newspaper has the "distinction" of being the NYTimes midwest area publisher. My understanding is that NYTimes provided the $$$ for construction of the publishing building/presses, etc. Ever since, the local has been the Gray Ghost's sock puppet - and has followed these "suggestions" to a T. No matter the story - there is always some local muslim's perspective, a photo of local muslim group, recipe from a muslim housewife, etc.

Only time there was no local-yokel muslim perspective was when their charity offices were raided /shut down by the Feds, and some of their personages arrested relative to ties the Holy Land Foundation crowd, though of course we need to understand it was just an example of "the richness of their diverse experiences".

The MSM wants to "demystify" understanding of islamists and their jihad?

Well, the MSM can demystify this: (deleted)!

610 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:16:15pm

re: #590 Capitalist Tool

Admission of ignorance: Who's Sonny Barger?

611 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:16:37pm

re: #579 threecoloursblue

re: #570 SpartanWoman

It used to be common, but the modern technological world has impinged to the extent that catatonia is now rare. That from a psychologist friend of mine.

I largely see it as part of a schizophrenic state not as akinetic parkinsonism. Although I have seen a few extreme cases of that

612 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:17:33pm

re: #499 ggt

We are almost at the #500 mark and the thread is still "on-topic". I'm not sure I've ever seen this before.

Now past #500 and I've ever read 'every' comment of the thread.

613 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:19:34pm

re: #602 Palandine

re: #585 Dar ul Harb

Ooh, that's the one that gets me. Either "the Prophet Mohammad" or "the prophet Mohammad" or (worst of all) "the Prophet." If journalism cared one bit about facts, it would always be "Islam's prophet Mohammad."

I'm a Christian. Mohammad was no prophet to me, but a caravan-raiding illiterate pedophile who started a death cult that has killed millions of innocent people. It's factual to say he is the prophet of Islam. It's da'wa to say he's the prophet to anyone else.

As so many have said before, the equivalent would be seeing "the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" in the newspaper.

AP actually says:

Jesus The central figure of Christianity, he also may be called Jesus Christ or Christ. Personal pronouns referring to him are lowercase.

614 realwest  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:24:43pm

re: #578 Noam Sayin'
WHAT? You have to read a manual and, presumably take a test, to ride a scooter?!

615 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:24:54pm

re: #613 Dar ul Harb

re: #602 Palandine

re: #585 Dar ul Harb

Ooh, that's the one that gets me. Either "the Prophet Mohammad" or "the prophet Mohammad" or (worst of all) "the Prophet." If journalism cared one bit about facts, it would always be "Islam's prophet Mohammad."

I'm a Christian. Mohammad was no prophet to me, but a caravan-raiding illiterate pedophile who started a death cult that has killed millions of innocent people. It's factual to say he is the prophet of Islam. It's da'wa to say he's the prophet to anyone else.

As so many have said before, the equivalent would be seeing "the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" in the newspaper.

AP actually says:

Jesus The central figure of Christianity, he also may be called Jesus Christ or Christ. Personal pronouns referring to him are lowercase.

That is interesting! If the journalists insist on calling Mohammed as Prophet with the big P, then they should call Jesus as Lord and Saviour and all pronouns referring to Him with big H !

616 psaturn  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:25:28pm

re: #615 psaturn

I meant this: outside the quotes!

That is interesting! If the journalists insist on calling Mohammed as Prophet with the big P, then they should call Jesus as Lord and Saviour and all pronouns referring to Him with big H !

617 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:30:05pm

re: #610 Slumbering Behemoth
Head of the Hells Angels motorcycle 'club'. Or was, don't know if he still is.

618 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:32:16pm

re: #614 realwest
Rode a friends V-Rod the other day. Holy Acceleration Batman!

619 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:34:10pm

Good night, y'all.

620 GGMac  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:36:15pm

re: #605 realwest


Realwest, this comment in only in relation to a small part of your well-done post: "And after 9/11 we were at war..."

Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Center in Feb 1993. In 1998 he declared war on the U.S., after which he attacked two embassies - followed by the Oct 2000 attack on the U.S.S. Cole. Those were all "acts of war", yet the response by the Clinton administration was so suck its' thumb. That policy continued under Bush, until 9/11/01 - at which point this country could no longer pretend we weren't at war - and started fighting back.

(/Not criticizing you or your post in any way - just blowing off steam :))

621 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:40:15pm

re: #617 pingjockey

re: #610 Slumbering Behemoth
Head of the Hells Angels motorcycle 'club'. Or was, don't know if he still is.

Thanks. I am not a fan of HST's really, but I'll be flat fucked backwards before I take the word of a Hell's Angel, or any other member of a street gang, for that matter.

622 Catttt  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:44:21pm

re: #608 Palandine

re: #596 Catttt


Dedicated to Society of Professional Journalists

Down with the sickness - Disturbed ("strong" language warning)


I'm in dial-up hell, can't get YouTube, but was that the song used in the remake of Dawn of the Dead? "I can see inside you the sickness is rising/ it seems that everything good has died/ oh no, the world is a scary place"?

If so, I love that song, and its use in that film.

Yes, that's it. It's a great song.

623 Paul Green  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:46:03pm

SPJ's dhimmi guidelines have indeed been in place since just after 9/11, when they were adopted at the organization's national convention. They were disseminated in an office e-mail in the newsroom where I was working at the time. I disregarded them in my own op-eds, without any consequences.

Years later, however, when only three major American papers printed any of the Danish Muhammad cartoons during the ideological jihad over them that left embassies aflame and dozens dead, my pointed criticism of the timorousness of the American press got me crosswise with my editor, who had run with the pusillanimous pack. When South Park's treatment of the issue got censored by the fearful executives at Comedy Central a couple of months later and I wrote a piece on the affair, my demand that at least one of the Danish cartoons be run with it was refused, prompting my resignation. Better late than never.

From time to time I read laments -- there's one in the current issue of Esquire -- about the parlous state of the American press, which is supposedly being run into the ground by soulless corporate bean-counters. But the people who are really bringing it to grief are the new breed of editors: small men in large offices.

Cry the beloved profession.

624 Promethea  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 9:51:11pm

re: #336 jaunte

We have a cultural disconnect.

"Freedom of speech must not be used to make a billion Muslims cry."
---Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta

"If you don't stop crying, I'll give you something to cry about."

/Mom

625 Arbalest  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 10:05:00pm

A selection of items from the Society of Professional Journalists website:

- Portray Muslims, Arabs and Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans in the richness of their diverse experiences;

Journalists never really do this; we’re hard pressed to get the whole story about Fed raids of Islamic charities, sudden-jihadi-syndrome events, indeed any violent crime perpetrated by Muslims. Getting certain papers to run pictures of “persons of interest” (who were seen pacing off distances on a ferry in the Seattle area) is a civil-rights violation. Follow-up stories?

We never read about honor killings, FGM, manufacture, transport and launchings of Qassam rockets, the treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim majority states, the killings in Darfur, the status of non-Saudi workers in Saudi, adequate translations of the Arab press, the apparent slave-trading in Sudan, Mauritania and perhaps elsewhere, . . . . .

- Seek out people from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds when photographing rescue and other public service workers and military personnel.

Why? How is this relevant (specifically and generally)?

- When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

This is what, moral equivalency?

Note that the euphemism “terrorism” is used instead of the much more accurate descriptor (based on the number of incidents over the past 10 years) “Islamic terrorism”.

How are the actions of white supremacists the cause of “Islamic terrorism”?

But if “remember to include” is to be an intellectually honest activity, print details of The Weathermen, SDS, PETA, ALF, ELF, the various problem children in Seattle-Tacoma, William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and their Hyde Park Illinois friends (at least two of whom are in the news right now, one on trial).

Is there a profile emerging here, og the SPJ and MSM in general?

Why do we not send a message to them by boycotting their advertisers?

Disclosure time (in the interests of Intellectual Honesty): most of these fools are superior to Dylan Avery only because they graduated college.

But the end of the article provides some clues about the SPJ's guidelines:

- Informational Resources on Arab-Americans, the Arab World and Islam

The link is to a page on the American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee website, www. adc .org. /education / aainfores.htm.
The interests of these people is clear.

- Newswatch

From the website, they are “a site dedicated to diversity in journalism, with commentary on media performance.

It is a project of the Center for Integration and Improvement of Journalism of San Francisco State University and a collaboration between
the Native American Journalists Association
the National Association of Hispanic Journalists
the National Association of Black Journalists
the Asian American Journalists Association
the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association

A coalition. Note that the first 4 journalist associations are identified by race. The fifth one, as anyone in the SF area knows, is an activist organization with an agenda.

This, then, by their own writing, is the story behind the guidelines of the Society of Professional Journalists.

626 Last Man  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 10:37:45pm

As we peer down the rabbit hole western pc journalism has fallen reflect back to Al-Jazeera defeating the United States at the 1st battle of Fallujah.

627 dgax65  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 10:42:17pm
— Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity.

OK. How about this?

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

So its acceptable to use the word combination white supremacist but you can't say Islamic terrorist. I guess that's fair. Not at all hypocritical.

F*ck these people. They will sell out our country and our culture, but they don't want to be seen as being intolerant. There is no cure for this type of behavior.

628 Bosch Fawstin  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 10:45:16pm

Were these piece of shits as considered when writing about America and the West.

629 Green Helmet Guy  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 10:50:25pm

Thank you Charles, because I was wondering. This sort of answers my question from the: Washington Post Wants to Hire More Muslims article, post # 219

But what the heck is is not going through their minds?

630 UncleSam  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 10:52:28pm

In other words, just lie your ass off.

631 Mel Lono  Wed, Mar 5, 2008 11:46:18pm

re: #568 Palandine

We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine and a whole galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers, screamers, leaughers...Also a quart of tequilla, a quart of rum, a case of budweiser, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls...But the only thing that worried me was the ehter. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge...

I just broke out my paperback copy of FALILV, but I cant beat that quote.

632 sithkhan  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 2:27:46am
— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

Please remember the axiom on eco-terrorists - they are not conservative, therefore not terrorists. Please refrain from including them in historical examples and references.

633 AmericanViking  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 2:31:20am

Now it's official:

The very first people we should shove up against the wall when the revolution arrives shall be the 'journalists', 'editors' and other media traitors who supported this outragious attack upon true freedom of speech. Man, I thought Europe had it bad - WOW!

I thank my lucky stars, every single day, that true warriors of free speech still exist in my homeland:

Lizards Everywhere!

634 antiislamist  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 3:32:45am

doesn't that means spread anonymity

635 chemist  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 4:49:40am

Avoid using word combinations such as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim extremist” that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity.

When writing about terrorism, remember to include radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity

Now wait a minute I thought we weren't gonna use word combinations that are misleading!

636 nemo  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 5:26:35am

Seek out and report more Islamic shame oh and good luck finding it.

637 wolfgang[deleted]  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 5:28:44am
638 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 5:34:44am

Articles like this are the reason I reason LGF. What a complete load of PC bullsh*t!

Use spellings preferred by the American Muslim Council, including “Muhammad,” “Quran,” and “Makkah,” not “Mecca.”

WTF?! I guess we know where all these "guidelines" came from. The sickest part is that I'm not even surprised that "mainstream" journalists take marching orders from subversive Muslim groups. The evidence piles up by the truckload every day.

639 Right Brain  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 6:38:58am

Newspeak is a fictional language in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, it is described as being "the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year." Orwell included an essay about it in the form of an appendix[1] in which the basic principles of the language are explained. Newspeak is closely based on English but has a greatly reduced and simplified vocabulary and grammar. This suits the totalitarian regime of the Party, whose aim is to make any alternative thinking ("thoughtcrime") or speech impossible by removing any words or possible constructs which describe the ideas of freedom, rebellion and so on. One character says admiringly of the shrinking volume of the new dictionary: "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."

Fr. Wikipedia

640 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 6:42:14am

Anti-Abortion nuts have killed around 15 people since the 1970's...

I loathe these idiots for trying to compare them to Islamic Fundies who have killed thousands and thousands since then. What a dream to live in a box like they do...

I wonder what they think of this hypocrisy in their journalism:
1. Chain yourself to a military recruitment center; blocking entry = OK
2. Chain yourself to an abortion clinic; blocking entry = NO. Bad Citizen

641 TalkinKamel  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 6:43:39am

#518 ggt

Actually, as I recall, he thought of himself as some sort of strange Aryan atheist, not a Christian at all.

And his stated motive was dissatisfaction with the government.

642 rorschach  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 6:50:30am

Stop islamic terrorism. Surrender, now.

643 koedo  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 6:58:37am

....and above all else,

Remember that the facts are only a small part of what you write. All efforts should be made to select only the events and facts that support your agenda.

Go get 'em kids!

644 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 7:06:05am

This has really helped me better understand the richly diverse, complex events of 9/11. Thanks, SPJA. I know realize that terrorist mass murder (as I used to think of it) is really just another wonderful thread in the rich tapestry of our multicultural society.

645 OccamsRazor  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 7:39:00am

So NOW I get it. In order to earn the respect of the SPJ, we Christians and Jews need to start strapping bombs on our women and Down's Syndrome children and detonating them in public places.

sarcasm off

646 kaziggy2  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 7:39:11am

Thank God neither of my kids want to be journalists......seems to be such a slimy lot now. (Except for any journalists that may be Lizards!)

647 psaturn  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:10:04am

re: #640 Noam Chumpski

Anti-Abortion nuts have killed around 15 people since the 1970's...

I loathe these idiots for trying to compare them to Islamic Fundies who have killed thousands and thousands since then. What a dream to live in a box like they do...

I wonder what they think of this hypocrisy in their journalism:
1. Chain yourself to a military recruitment center; blocking entry = OK
2. Chain yourself to an abortion clinic; blocking entry = NO. Bad Citizen

Great point! I thought the same!

I was going to write the City of Berkeley whether they would give a parking space in front of Planned Parenthood for the anti abortion protesters...and I thought about it, and realized there were no anti abortion protesters in the Bay Area...I think RICO law application on the anti abortion protesters took care of that...and not a single protest from ACLU on the muzzling of freedom of speech by using the RICO law!

648 psaturn  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:13:29am

re: #625 Arbalest

Good job!

649 TalkinKamel  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:18:27am

#647 psaturn

And, just as an aside, when those abortion clinic murders occurred, you didn't see Jews and Christians dancing around celebrating, handing out sweets and telling reporters that they intended to raise their children to go out and kill abortionists. They didn't run kids shows on Christian T.V. stations, using actors dressed up as insects, rabbits or other forms of vermin saying stuff like, "Yes, kiddies, Jesus wants you to shoot those bad abortionists!" The general reaction among the Christian, and Orthodox Jewish communities was anger (at the killers) condemnation of the crimes and support for rule of law. And anyone who said the supported the shootings was roundly condemned.

And, awful as these killings were, they just don't compare to the countless numbers committed by Islamic terrorism, and the concentrated effort to subjugate the entire world to the Caliphate.

650 elchimpy  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:33:33am

This may have already been said but isn't it a problem that this needs to be stated? Are there similar criteria when dealing with other ethnic/pseudo-religious groups? Useful f-ing idiots. . .

651 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:38:14am

That is from the pamphlet published by CAIR on guidelines for journalists. I can't find the link now on their website but it came out last year.

652 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:44:37am

Political correctness - the blueprint for civilizational suicide.

653 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:44:55am

I found a link to the CAIR guide for journalists. Here.

654 threeCents  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 10:53:03am

Another reason not to trust the MSM. They're more interested in advancing an agenda than reporting. It's nothing more than propaganda. When is someone going to put a full page ad of this crap to expose it?

I wonder what percentage of journalists are members of this Society of Professional Dhimmis and Jihadists?

655 ThomasTheConfessor  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 11:29:03am

More Anti-Christian Moonbattery

656 the_flying_pig  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 2:23:31pm

It's official, the Society of Professional Journalists have renamed itself as the Society of Professional Propagandists and Liars.

657 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 2:34:20pm
658 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 2:46:42pm
659 yaacov ben moshe  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 3:19:05pm

The BBC says:
All we have to do is concentrate on thinking happy thoughts about Muslims and all the problems will go away.

Well, actually, it does require four other little things:

1. Believe all the self delusion and lies Muslims tell pollsters

2. Pointedly ignore the gaping holes in their perception of reality that the pollsters forget to ask about

3. Revile anyone who notices the inconsistencies as an “extreme right winger”

4. Be willing to blame Western Civilization, America, President Bush and The Jews (Joooos) for everything

660 profitsbeard  Thu, Mar 6, 2008 8:28:58pm

Press Rules In Islam:

1. Shut Up.

2. Stop Smiling.

3. Bend Over.

4. Farther!

5. Prepare for Scoop.

661 sillyallah  Fri, Mar 7, 2008 3:19:23pm

So, basically, publish what you want to believe rather than the truth.


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