the Donk's spin control machine is a 24X7 machine. with all of these asshats, when do they find time to sleep?

Fierce?

Yep, the mountain labored mightily and brought forth a small mouse.

Obama must take Americans for a gang of idiots.

He's been associated with this church for *20 years*, considers Wright a personal mentor, has used Wrights name in his book, and made him a campaign advisor, and only NOW he discovers (to his suprise) that Wright is an America-hating racist crackpot?

Suddenly, so many flags.

He has some gall to stand in front of those American flags, apologizing for his preacher's hate and lecturing the country on race.

I am occasionally a fierce critic of US foreign policy too, but I don't do it from a standpoint of hate and racism.

/Just sayin'

Here's what's missing from Obama's speech:

1. An apology. He never asks for forgiveness, and (ab)uses the occasion to bash his opponents.

2. An expression of faith. Since this is about his church, one would have at least expected a Biblical quote or two.

3. A clear repudiation of Wright. Obama now *admits* he heard Wright say things but still keeps his criticism vague.

4. A defense of black Christians. Obama's defenders have put the idea out that all black churches are like this. If he really wants to help, he'll dispel THAT lie.

Conclusion: not good enough.

When a conservative makes "occasionally fierce criticism" it's usually a far right wing nut case.

When a liberal makes "occasionally fierce criticism," it's patriotism?

Gosh, I want whatever he's drinking --it must be nice to hallucinate this stuff.

The plane has crashed into the mountain!

/The Big Lebowski.

Critics I can handle.

It's people like the Rev and Obama that piss on my head and tell me its raining that anger me.

Long-legged Mac Daddy thinks he can fool everyone all the time with his pathetic shuck 'n' jive routine.

I have to admit; one or two more flags and he would've had me in the palm of his hands.

All the brave Union soldiers ...

We fought the Civil War to be together

All of us

Skin color is off topic anymore

& Obama

Any Christian pastor talks of love only

Go listen to Dolly Parton's Gospel albums

Make a retreat of silence after that

Please.

It's talk radio's fault.

Always is.

THis will most definitely not "end the controversy." It's just getting started, in fact.

I don't think Obama has faced bad press in his entire life. This is just a taste.

He thinks he can shut everyone up with just one speech. Ha! Dream on.

Keep pounding this issue, folks.

He lied.
He said he didn't know about the rev's comments.
Then in his speech he said he did.

Watch for the video...

re: #16 JammieWearingFool

It's talk radio's fault.

Always is.

I thought it was Bush's fault?

re: #5 Ben Hur

Suddenly, so many flags.

Yeah, I know, that's the funny part.

OK, Barry, let's stop talking about the psychotic Reverend.

Let's get back to Tony Rezko and Bill Ayers.

I repeat:

1st. Obama's racist tendencies are not my biggest reasons for not wanting him to be the next POTUS.

2nd. That being said, I am not buying the "Sure, I had him baptize my kids and marry me and my wife...but I don't really like the guy, or agree with him" excuse. You don't sit in a church for 20+ years listening to such extreme rhetoric unless you are digging it.

These aren't minor opinions that one might just disagree with here and there. These are very pointed, very extreme points of view that seems not to be aberrations but the spirit of his preaching.

Furthermore, a white Republican would not be getting the white wash (pardon the pun-ish expression) that Obama is, if he had been attending Trinity's white-power-equivalent;"World Church of The Creator" for over so many years, considered the preacher a close friend ("who he occasionally disagreed with"), traveled with him, had him officiate his wedding, and baptize his children.

Whatever happened to "there is no excuse for Racism!" ?

If we are going to excuse Black racism (because of something that happened hundreds of years ago) we will have to also excuse White racist (because of things that are going on today).

Whether Black or White...there is NO excuse for racism!

"AIDS is germ warfare by U.S. government"

I remember seeing that plastered all over Manhattan.
Thought they caught the guy doing it.

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo
Kinda reminds me of algore trying to steal FL and with every speech given more Flags appearred.

I answered Allahpundit over the question of how Obama is trying to turn this from a question of race to a question of class warfare.

Here’s my favorite line. After likening black grievances over racism to white grievances over the economy, which is the Messiah’s magical, transubstantiative way of turning a racial scandal into class warfare,

Again this is rellevant to Wright. Because “Rich White People” run america therefore it legitimate to go after the rich because they are white.

Obama isnt condeming racism he is justifying it.

William Amos on March 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM

re: #19 Jetpilot1101

I thought it was Bush's fault?

Talk radio got him elected.

I am having very slow loading of the comments - for example - this thread - about 30 seconds. Usually, it's 2 or 3 seconds.

I am insulted by Obama's spin. "Occassionally fierce," reminds me of a friend who told me how her boyfriend "occasionally" got too rough during sex, really hurting her and leaving bruises on her body, and he knew it, and was unapologetic.

I told her, "Sweetheart, that's a deal breaker."

And she dumped him.

I want to see the part in the speech where he contradicts his statements of last week about not hearing the Rev's diatribes.
..where he says he was not present for..

re: #16 JammieWearingFool

It's talk radio's fault.

Always is.

Mike and the mad dog have alot of splaining to do!

He's got a big problem, because it's not an occasionally fierce criticism that has people concerned. It's two decades of anti-Americanism, pro-conspiracy ranting, combined with a racist and anti-Semitic tempura of tempestuous hate.

And to think that I had the audacity to hope Obama would change.
/SARC
*rollover*
*tuck covers*
*snore*

Occasional = every time he talks about America. When he isn't talking about America, he doesn't criticize. Unbelievably Bright Divinity at TCU wants to give him an award. What a bunch of scrounges.

re: #4 looking closely

Obama must take Americans for a gang of idiots.

He's been associated with this church for *20 years*, considers Wright a personal mentor, has used Wrights name in his book, and made him a campaign advisor, and only NOW he discovers (to his suprise) that Wright is an America-hating racist crackpot?

Watch and see how many people say, "Aww, leave him alone. Hasn't he suffered enough?"

What was good enough for Romney is good enough for Obama. Meaning they tried to cast mud on Romney just for his religion and in Obama's case we have him with much closer ties then merely being a member of a religion.
I wonder how many rumors his campaign sent out when Romney was at the top. Eat it sucka.

Basically, Obama says in this speech,

"I decry and reject everything that Reverend Wright says. However, he's a wonderful man that I embrace and love very much."

Gee, that really makes a lot of sense.

Sometimes, Barack, when you straddle the fence, you land on a delicate part of your anatomy.

I've never seen such bold-faced fence-straddling.

Isn't he the guy that said the white man developed Church's Chicken to inject chemicals to sterilize the black man to prevent growth of the race in an attempt to exterminate it?

How can you NOT go to a church like that?

/must I?

re: #4 looking closely

Obama must take Americans for a gang of idiots.

Welcome to the bizarro world of Chicago politics.

re: #20 zombie

Yeah, I know, that's the funny part.

The Dems don't run political campaigns.

Remember, they always blame their losses on "failure to get the message out" and not on the message itself.

It's no longer a political campaign.

Both the Platipus and Hillary are running MARKETING campaigns.

I'd like to see Obama's record of donations to this church.
Is that too much to ask?

What is shows to me is that Obama as President would screw something up domestically and internationally and then lie about it. He is going to screw stuff up, I don't think he can avoid it.

re: #23 BuddyG

"AIDS is germ warfare by U.S. government"

I remember seeing that plastered all over Manhattan.

In the early 80's the gay community espoused this rant. It worked then, it still works in some circles.

... and Hitler was a casual, sometime critic of Jews...

re: #30 lawhawk

He's got a big problem, because it's not an occasionally fierce criticism that has people concerned. It's two decades of anti-Americanism, pro-conspiracy ranting, combined with a racist and anti-Semitic tempura of tempestuous hate.

Exactly. For a person with no record to run on, all we can judge him on is who he has associated with the last 20 years. Case closed!

Only Obama can take rascism and turn it into courage and principles.

re: #20 zombie

Yeah, I know, that's the funny part.

So many flags and oddly, not one indication of patriotism.

I notice he still cannot bring himself to put on an American Flag lapel pin.

What's with the "former Pastor" schtick?

So, O thinks that all of us hear "stuff" in church that we don't agree with. When was the last time any of you heard "God D** America' and any of the rest of that bs recited from the pulpit?

What a crock of relativism.

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

I have to admit; one or two more flags and he would've had me in the palm of his hands.

No lapel pin.
He wasn't about to sacrifice his principles.
*admiration*
*applause*
/*barf*

re: #42 NoSubmission

... and Hitler was a casual, sometime critic of Jews...

...and heroin is a sometimes misused sedative.

re: #44 snowcrash

Only Obama can take rascism and turn it into courage and principles.

The Arian Nation does a good job of it to.

My bottom line problem with all of this is Obama saw it to his advantage to belong to this church when his politics were local, and now that he is trying to play to a national electorate, he has no problem with giving us a weak denouncement of his church and pastor.

And this change in heart came is less than a week.

Can you spell hypocrite?

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #39 Jetpilot1101

I'd like to see Obama's record of donations to this church.
Is that too much to ask?

He gave $22,500 per his tax return last year.

re: #27 DistantThunder

I am insulted by Obama's spin. "Occassionally fierce," reminds me of a friend who told me how her boyfriend "occasionally" got too rough during sex, really hurting her and leaving bruises on her body, and he knew it, and was unapologetic.

Hitler was "occasionally fierce" toward Jews. Other times, he was asleep, or eating lunch. See, he wasn't always fierce!

Larry Elder was quite angry on Fox News. He said he's been attending black churches his whole life, and hadn't listened to that nonsense and hate preached from the pulpit.

If Barak can excuse that hate...he can excuse Muslim hate...he can excuse Palestinian hate...he can excuse feminist hate...he can excuse anti-military hate...ad nauseum.

Poor judgement = poor character.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Will Barack Obama's relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright be a lingering issue for him?

61% yes
39% no

re: #35 zombie

Basically, Obama says in this speech,

"I decry and reject everything that Reverend Wright says. However, he's a wonderful man that I embrace and love very much."

Gee, that really makes a lot of sense.

Sometimes, Barack, when you straddle the fence, you land on a delicate part of your anatomy.

I've never seen such bold-faced fence-straddling.

You really need to see the bullshit that passes for politics in Illinois sometime, Zombie. Fence-straddling is the name of the game. usually the fence is the barbed wire type used around prisons and jails.

re: #47 Ben Hur

What's with the "former Pastor" schtick?

The pastor retired a few months ago.

re: #54 zombie

Hitler was "occasionally fierce" toward Jews. Other times, he was asleep, or eating lunch. See, he wasn't always fierce!

And passing out chocolates to children and making the trains run on time.

re: #39 Jetpilot1101

I'd like to see Obama's record of donations to this church.
Is that too much to ask?

I'm sorry I don't have the link but one of the lizards posted that info over the weekend. I think it was about $22,000.00 in 2006!

He wants to convince me, he should change his name to Joe NMN Smith and become a Mormon.

Hey Charles,

I might happen to know somebody who works at your favorite...hamster farm who might be able to get you a discount on some...hamsters. I see her every morning.

Contact me.

re: #46 bulwrk

I notice he still cannot bring himself to put on an American Flag lapel pin.

Didn't he have enough behind him?

/spit

re: #35 zombie

Sometimes, Barack, when you straddle the fence, you land on a delicate part of your anatomy.

I've never seen such bold-faced fence-straddling.

That's the beginning of an interesting analogy. (-:

re: #59 Lively

The pastor retired a few months ago.

Old pastors never die, they don't even fade away.

It's taking about 20 seconds to refresh the comments - usually it takes 2-3 seconds.

re: #17 zombie

He thinks he can shut everyone up with just one speech. Ha! Dream on.

Keep pounding this issue, folks.

The Democratic Convention this summer in Denver is going to be a hoot!

I may even drive out there.

So blacks have reasons to hate the society whitey created, women have reasons to hate the society white men created, middle class white men have reason to hate the society rich white men created. So everyone have reasons to hate the society rich white men created. The founding fathers were rich white men. They kept slavery. Therefore, we hate the society those rich white founding fathers created. We Hate America!

Obama, Your not even fit to mow my lawn...

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

God, I'm listening to it now. Blah blah blah, what a lot of balderdash. What a self-congratulatory prick. I've never heard an entire Obama speech before -- just five-second sound bites. I can't believe what a pompous ass he is. I'm frankly shocked.

He hasn't even gotten to the point of the speech yet and I'm six minutes in.

I thought the Farrakhan endorsement of Obama was kind of strange when it occurred, but in context of Reverend Wright's views, it's all starting to make sense now.

re: #62 itellu3times

He wants to convince me, he should change his name to Joe NMN Smith and become a Mormon.

Not sure I understand what you mean by that.

re: #55 DistantThunder

Larry Elder was quite angry on Fox News. He said he's been attending black churches his whole life, and hadn't listened to that nonsense and hate preached from the pulpit.

If Barak can excuse that hate...he can excuse Muslim hate...he can excuse Palestinian hate...he can excuse feminist hate...he can excuse anti-military hate...ad nauseum.

Poor judgement = poor character.

I just hit the quote button so as your post would be repeated.

I have never seen so many flags at a Obama speech. Amazing since he won't even wear a a lapel pin. His speech was designed to mean what you wanted it to mean to you. He said nothing but used a lot of words.

Trying to remember if my pastor has ever said "g-damn", used the n-word, or made humping motions during a sermon...

Nope.

Leftist moral-equivalence rules the roost, apparently.

What I got is that Wright is no worse than his own white grandmother.

She's still alive, I believe. I wonder how she feels about being gratuitously used like this in her grandson's speech. I sure hope she directly approved of it, because otherwise, Obama's initiative to call her out as a racist is deplorable.

I also got from Obama a watering-down of Wright's hateful rhetoric with his rationalization lots of people are angry like Wright, and that the anger is "real".

The problem is, Wright goes well beyond anger into America-hatred. Obama has still not accounted for the outright America-hatred.

The speech will satisfy the swooning leftists, because they feel the urge to swoon and apparently need to continue doing so.

I find the speech mealy-mouthed and quite unsatisfactory.

re: #68 Ringo the Gringo

The Democratic Convention this summer in Denver is going to be a hoot!

I may even drive out there.

Bring a protest sign.

re: #68 Ringo the Gringo

The Democratic Convention this summer in Denver is going to be a hoot!

I may even drive out there.

Please do, I'll house trade with you. Get me out of here in Sept.

Walter in Golden, Co.

If that's what passes for "fierce criticism," no wonder Obama didn't use this as his Sista Souljah moment.

Or maybe Obama has transcended the need for Sista Souljah moments because he's half-black? PC is so confusing.

Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect.

So, the reverend only talks disrespectfully about whites and other ethnic groups in his sermons and not during personal conversations?

Obama thinks he can pull one over on us, but there's an old saying
"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

and there's more from the Bible:

Jesus said: "You will know them by their fruits..."

re: #46 bulwrk

I notice he still cannot bring himself to put on an American Flag lapel pin.

That bugged me too. It just proves that despite 8 (8!) flags behind him, he doesn't understand that this isn't about race, it's about being anti-American.

How many people have actually heard Wright's rants? I've heard them on talk radio and seen them on Fox News and the internet.

I suspect all that appears on the evening news and in the newspaper are vague descriptions of divisive and fiery rhetoric.

If you don't actually know exactly what the Rev says, you might be inclined to accept Barack's explanation.

Senator Obama revealed just how little he knows about the nation he will not be privileged to lead next year when he described the coalition that twice elected Ronald Reagan president in record landslides as the coming together of angry and resentful whites. In Obama’s world, double-digit inflation, high interest rates, high unemployment, a 13-month “hostage crisis,” and accelerated Soviet adventurism had little or nothing to do with it.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Enjoy!

Drowning man, meet straw.

Obama and the Bombmaker's Church

Paul Sherry is actually the Reverend Paul Sherry, who, at the time he was meeting with the Deputy Attorney General of the United States to request clemency for the perpetrators of such horrific acts, was, I am sorry to say, the president of the United Church of Christ -- the denomination that Senator Obama and I share. Reverend Sherry's request -- and he certainly was not alone -- was granted. As Ms. Burlingame and many others, notably the website UCC Truths, have noted, on August 11, 1999 clemency was indeed offered by President Clinton to the FALN terrorists. Twelve accepted in less than a month, and over the objections of then-Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York, the terrorists were granted their freedom.

/interesting tangent

He's still standing by Wright. Bad move, Obama.

grandma was a bigot...wow.

re: #8 joeljournal

Here's what's missing from Obama's speech:
...
2. An expression of faith. Since this is about his church, one would have at least expected a Biblical quote or two...

"I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones."

Stick it to the man. And I thought it was Daniel who was thrown in the lion's den for illegally praying as a Jew. The early Christians faced off against lions centuries later as a gruesome public spectacle. As for dry bones, I like this: [Link: www.mrdrybones.com...]

now he admits to lying about hearing his pastor...

at least it wasn't in a sexual harrassment suit...

speaks volumes...

re: #3 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh

Fantastic nic. LOLOL

re: #47 Ben Hur

What's with the "former Pastor" schtick?

He's apparently retired recently (don't think it was due to any of this publicity, just because he's getting up there in years).

The thing is, while this is not good enough for us and what we would expect out of Obama, the majority of people get their news in soundbytes and will simply see what the media will want them to see... That is, a great orator who is rising from the ashes and speaking with feeling about our nation. these are the idiotbots who are going to vote for this clown.

We see that what he basically did today is justify the racism that blacks have for whites by blaming it all on the slavery issue, which, correct me if I'm wrong vanished over a century ago.

"Occasionally fierce"...so...what would an outright America-hater and a REAL racist look like?

Any white guy who's not a self-hating liberal, apparently.

heh; today's relevant quote:

No leader can safely mumble at moments of crisis. --Brock Brewer

re: #17 zombie

So, Zombie...this mean the obama page is back on again?

I hope

JJ

re: #83 zmdavid

How many people have actually heard Wright's rants? I've heard them on talk radio and seen them on Fox News and the internet.

I suspect all that appears on the evening news and in the newspaper are vague descriptions of divisive and fiery rhetoric.

If you don't actually know exactly what the Rev says, you might be inclined to accept Barack's explanation.

Plus, you miss seeing the jubilant parishioners dancing in the aisles.

re: #83 zmdavid
Email them to your entire list. Hopefully we'll get it out to everyone with an email account.

re: #91 WriterMom

Fantastic nic. LOLOL

Thanks WM!

re: #73 DistantThunder

He wants to convince me, he should change his name to Joe NMN Smith and become a Mormon.

Not sure I understand what you mean by that.

I have to deconstruct my own jokes?

Look at this guy Obama, running around with an Arab/Moslem name (that we dare not mention), attending a racist black church and telling a bunch of inconsistent stories about what he knew and when he knew it, he's trying to skate by a bunch of crap which, I'm guessing, he really doesn't believe himself anyway, except in some tenuous academic spirit. He's lost me, as I suspect he's lost everyone who tries to make sense of his words. So (channeling Hillary here), enough words, I want some ACTION! Let him cut himself entirely loose from his past - LET'S SEE SOME CHANGE!

And then we have the Mormon thing, which bedeviled Romney, on which he gave a speech, which didn't exactly fix things for him either, now did it? And one of the things about Mormonism is its historical, if perhaps not current, denigration of blacks. Well, if Obama wanted to really, really change, why doesn't he just join the Mormons!

That is all.

Hello, my name is Barack Obama. I've got some magic beans I'd like to sell you.

/I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message.

re: #77 Edouard

Leftist moral-equivalence rules the roost, apparently.

What I got is that Wright is no worse than his own white grandmother.

She's still alive, I believe. I wonder how she feels about being gratuitously used like this in her grandson's speech. I sure hope she directly approved of it, because otherwise, Obama's initiative to call her out as a racist is deplorable.

I also got from Obama a watering-down of Wright's hateful rhetoric with his rationalization lots of people are angry like Wright, and that the anger is "real".

The problem is, Wright goes well beyond anger into America-hatred. Obama has still not accounted for the outright America-hatred.

The speech will satisfy the swooning leftists, because they feel the urge to swoon and apparently need to continue doing so.

I find the speech mealy-mouthed and quite unsatisfactory.

My grandmother, who was 97, used the N-word once. We all shouted, "Grandma, that's terrible." "Why would you say something like that?" We were all over her. She laughed and it was obvious she did it just to get a rise out of us, because she had never said it before or since.

As for Barak's grandmother, didn't Bill Cosby or Chris Rock make the joke about being followed and hoping that it was a couple of white guys? Statistics would show that the grandma might have had a good reason to be afraid, depending on the neighborhood.

re: #57 Honorary Yooper

This was a carefully crafted political speech to appeal to the Black voters in Philadelphia. This is the same city where a newly elected Mayor Street announced "Now the Brothers are running the City", and has been a pit of corruption and poverty for years.
It was designed to attract uneducated Blacks and guilt ridden White Libs, pure and simple.

Philadelphia's politics probably aren't much cleaner than the Windy City's. Difference is, the folks in Chicago seem alot friendlier from my visits.

North Philly looks like a 3rd world country.

re: #33 Lively

Um dude...they already have.

"cant a black man have his church to complain about racism in?"

Seriously though, racism might exist in America but not at any level anymore that it would justify this type of disgusting racist speech.

I'm becoming sick and tired of African-American's complaining that racism hasn't really changed since slavery. Only in the last 8 years we have had 2 Black Secretaries of State (1, 2), a Black National Security Adviser (Condi Again), an at least 2 Associate Justices of the Supreme Court (and TM) myriad of Black CEOs, numerous African-American high ranking advisors to Presidents, Senators, and Congresspersons, a plethora of Black Congress People, etc.

This isn't even a complete list.

As Bob Marley said: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." This to me is the real problem of race in America. Those African Americans that still see themselves as victims of White America, continue to stay slaves. They have the key but refuse to remove their emotional and mental shackles. Those that do not, become CEOs, Congresspeople, Secretaries of State, Associate Justices, etc.

re: #36 Sponge

I love Church's Chicken. How come I didn't get that memo?

Oh, and why isn't anyone in the news talking about the Obama lie? FOX has had both sides on and nobody brings it up. Once again is it our job to hammer that fact home to the American people? He should not get a pass on this.

I consider it a slap in the face for him to give a speech on race. It was NEVER about race and he should know that.

/rant off

Many years ago, the rabbi of the temple my family belonged to spoke about Jews in the USSR, saying how happy they were living under Communism and not interested in religion or moving to Israel.

I walked out and never looked back.

I'll bet Barack H?n Obama was snatching some ZZZ's during the good Rev.'s sermons and never listened to a word.

re: #88 storagemanager

grandma was a bigot...wow.

Yeah but he uses what he admits to be fairly mild bigotry to compare to ALL that is Rev Wright.

One cancels out the other.

Except -

Grandmas bigotry was "fear of black men when walking alone" and "stereotypes". How does that compare to creating AIDS as a genocidal vector? It doesn't. It would be like comparing a Jew's off hand remark about a gentile to the entire life work of Adolf Hitler.

Furthermore ...

Obama didn't pick grandma. He has to accept her. He did pick Wright.

Did grandma inspire the name of any of Obama's books?

re: #102 AMER1CAN

Hello, my name is Barack Obama. I've got some magic beans I'd like to sell you.

/I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message.

Hoping you haven't run out of snake oil.

Several things stood out for me.

The first is that Obama glided over the problems in the Black community and didn't get into the nitty gritty of their hatred. He never called it hatred. He called it resentment and bias. He didn't discuss why large swaths of the Black community call Condy an "aunt Jemimah". Bill Cosby, who unlike Obama, stuck his neck out to criticize the Black community, got it chopped off. He is reviled as an uncle Tom.

The problem, really, is that the discussion has been going on for a long time now. Thomas Sowell, Lashawn Barber, Bill Cosby and many others have been making these criticisms, as whites do at rare times. The problem is that the Black community isn't ready for real criticism and analysis, and the white community has learned it's lesson well -- that is, never tell black people what you really think. They go nuts, get defensive, and you saw it with Wright telling Hannity to study Black Liberation Theology, even though Hannity was a theology major.

I agree with Obama on one thing: we do need to have the discussion about race, and Obama cracked the door to doing so, but didn't really open it. If Obama criticized the specifics of Wright's statements, which resonate with millions of Leftists, he would be toast. So once again he pussies out, just like he did voting "present" 110 times in the Illinois senate and 40 times in the US senate.

Obama lied; Kos Kids cried.

re: #40 hazzyday

What is shows to me is that Obama as President would screw something up domestically and internationally and then lie about it. He is going to screw stuff up, I don't think he can avoid it.

That goes without saying. He has absolutely NO real-world experience at anything other than "community organizing" and law school. Never held a real job, never started a business, never held a high position in a business, never had any real experience in government other than as a junior senator. Wet behind the ears at everything. Has no expertise at anything at all. POTUS is not somewhere you should be learning on the job.

Every time I have been at or near a Black church, it's been all about love, forgiveness, and being Godly. I can't believe that Black Americans go into church every Sunday and hear a bunch of left-wing wackoism. Most of the Black Americans I know are far too well-adjusted for that.

Wife, a long time democrat left (npi) Obama a few days ago following this issue (thank God). I read the speech to her and her response was: "Does he think I am an idiot?" Priceless.

Go mac!

A swing and a bunt!

re: #88 storagemanager

grandma was a bigot...wow.

Well according to him?

HEY my post got EATEN.

What I wanted to say was that this fellow is a major league shmuck and narcisist.

ME ME ME
Did I tell you about ME
My black Daddy
My white Mamma
ME AND ME AND MORE ME

There is a fine line between fierce criticism and downright racism and hate.

Oh wait, no, there is a pretty damn good line between the two. Obama and Wright are on the wrong side of it.

Please let a middle-aged half-black man have his delusion in the privacy of the MSM.

/

re: #71 zombie

He hasn't even gotten to the point of the speech yet and I'm six minutes in.

It's at the end where he let's you know he's a Socialist:

It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.
But it is where we start.

In order for government to give, it must first take.

Obama: Rev Wright is 'An Occasionally Fierce Critic of American Domestic and Foreign Policy'

Yeah, Osama has the same beef, along with Saddam,Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, Colonial England, and every other enemy of America that ever pushed its ugly head from the ooze.

re: #108 Alouette

Many years ago, the rabbi of the temple my family belonged to spoke about Jews in the USSR, saying how happy they were living under Communism and not interested in religion or moving to Israel.

Its tough to immigrate from the gulag

White's (oh the irony) occasionally fierce hate rhetoric is just a little too 'slightly pregnant' sounding to me. I've never heard a rabbi scream such obscenities and hate mongering in synagogue at a congregation, ever, ever, ever and G-d knows we/they are not perfect. Most dues paying members would run a rabbi who tried that out of town on a rail, I'll wager.

Note to Barak: Speak for yourself, sir. I am not part of a "racial stalemate".

re: #76 brinkley

Trying to remember if my pastor has ever said "g-damn", used the n-word, or made humping motions during a sermon...

Nope.

My pastor is a lib, but doesn't let his politics get into his sermons. After services or if people see him/her they may joke around or talk politics weather they agree with him or her or not.

North Philly looks like a 3rd world country.

As a police officer in that area for several years, I can assure you that it is, as are parts of West Philly and increasingly large areas of South Philly.

re: #109 karmic_inquisitor

I detect the faint odor of blame whitey in BHO's mention of his white granny.

NOT qualified to be president.

Such hypocrisy, this speech is like playing the ultimate race card. He runs a campaign that advocates race should not be an election issue then turns around and tries to use race to defend what are clearly racist preachings from a hate America too reverend. The really sad part is this will work just fine for the MSM, no more problems here let's just all move along now folks. I say BS, this story is not over its just getting started.

re: #108 Alouette

Denial is a wonderful, comfy place to be. Just like Olmert et al and their major concern about gay tourism to Israel and the mainstream Jewish organization's fetish about 'neo-Nazis'.

re: #98 taxfreekiller

Thinking, Thinking, Thinking:

"Black", John F. Kerry" comes to mind.

Rev. Wright, another "Winter Soldier".

Has anyone posted hard data on Wright's tour of duty in the USMC -- exactly what/when/where/etc?

Everything Kos touches turns to Shrum.

Where else do you go for your weekly dose of bawdy humor?!

re: #83 zmdavid

How many people have actually heard Wright's rants? I've heard them on talk radio and seen them on Fox News and the internet.

I suspect all that appears on the evening news and in the newspaper are vague descriptions of divisive and fiery rhetoric.

If you don't actually know exactly what the Rev says, you might be inclined to accept Barack's explanation.

I've heard them. It's hard to miss them here near Chicago. They've been on all the networks and talk radio for the past several days.

I suspect the Obama supporters will dismiss the firey rhetoric and hate out of hand. I said why on the dead thread, and I'll say it again here. Obama has a cult of personality around him that would make Stalin and Goebbels proud. This cult of personality will overlook the flaws and vote for him anyway. This cult of personality will keep pushing him toward Denver. This cult of personality is exactly what we are up against. It is not a politicial movement; we need to view it as a religious movement without a god, but with a messiah. This cult needs to be defeated and defeated at the polls come November.

White is Wright - my bad. Still ironic as hell. It's the Rev Wrong.

WE may not "glide right by this", but you can bet the MSM is waxing their shoes as I write this.

re: #40 hazzyday

What is shows to me is that Obama as President would screw something up domestically and internationally and then lie about it. He is going to screw stuff up, I don't think he can avoid it.

screw something up? obamaman as president is like a baby with a nail gun.

re: #114 RememberSekhmet?

Every time I have been at or near a Black church, it's been all about love, forgiveness, and being Godly. I can't believe that Black Americans go into church every Sunday and hear a bunch of left-wing wackoism. Most of the Black Americans I know are far too well-adjusted for that.

I worked the night shift at Target in my younger days. There was the black guy on crack, the young black girls who had the filthiest mouths and listened to the coarsest music I have ever heard, who each had babies, the older black woman working on her degree ( like me) and the black police officer who was the son of a minister ( the nicest guy there, who I felt the most affinity to, black or white, due to his values.)

The trick is being able to discern who are the toxic people and who are the healthy well-adjusted ones. Barak and his posse are toxic to our culture.

re: #132 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Has anyone posted hard data on Wright's tour of duty in the USMC -- exactly what/when/where/etc?

I would also like to know about all those great schools he supposedly went to?

re: #103 DistantThunder

My grandmother, who was 97, used the N-word once. We all shouted, "Grandma, that's terrible." "Why would you say something like that?" We were all over her. She laughed and it was obvious she did it just to get a rise out of us, because she had never said it before or since.

As for Barak's grandmother, didn't Bill Cosby or Chris Rock make the joke about being followed and hoping that it was a couple of white guys? Statistics would show that the grandma might have had a good reason to be afraid, depending on the neighborhood.

My grandmother, born in 1865 to a Southern, plantation & slave owning family in North Carolina, never once had the N word pass her lips. She was hard put to use the word "negro" rather than "colored." Her daughter, my mother, would have whipped me bloody with a peach tree switch if the N word had ever passed my lips - and she peeled onions at 4 am through 4 years of college so that her mother could pay for the black maids daughter of the same age to go to college.

I am absolutely OUTRAGED that that man threw his Granny under the bus like that and equated her comments with the venom spewed by his "pastor."

re: #135 Honorary Yooper

You can count on my vote ...

Obama: Rev Wright is 'An Occasionally Fierce Critic of American Domestic and Foreign Policy'

Didn't sound like that when I heard it .
Sounded like outright hatred to me .

Of course I take everything Mr. Obama says at face value, but I must admit to being a little confused, to wit:

Does our manufacturing of the HIV virus count as foreign policy, or domestic?

Regardless, I suppose The Right Reverend Wright's criticism of it was justified.

What I find interesting...

Sunday on FOX Obama retorted that “...if I’d have heard them (inflammatory remarks) repeated, yes, I’d have quit the church.”

Repeated? Uuuuh, weren’t there like five or six clips? I suppose Obama must be referring to a repeat of each “topic” from each clip. You know, like if the good reverend would have repeated the part about USKKKA..., made in the USA aids, or 911 roosting chickens over and over.

Surely he didn’t mean attitude, right? Those clips were a repeat in attitude. Bad attitude, bad attitude, bad attitude repeated over and over and over.

Guess what that means. As long as the good reverend never repeats an “unacceptable” same topic remark – he gets an Obama pass.

Obama wasn’t aware of this man’s character? Does he expect us to believe that his judge of character sucks that badly? Obama has described Rev Wright as an

advisor

. Isn’t the ability to pick one of those an important thing for a president to know?

Y'all are sliding supiciously close to racism here. Focusing on what someone has said, rather than what that person is saying. Former statements are a product of that former time, not now. Everything has changed, except that Amerikkka is the real enemy.

But seriously, people. Pay attention to what the man is saying, not to what he has said. 'Cause the past is dead and gone, and you don't want to be living in the past.

Change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Apply as needed.

There is some irony to the fact that many here on LGF were worried that Obama was a Muslim, and thus would have possessed latent Anti-Americanism, Antisemitism, religious-politicism, and racism...when he did possess all of these characteristics...but they were from his "church".

Charles-did you feed the hamsters today? Eeees sooo slowww.

re: #108 Alouette

I'll bet Barack H?n Obama was snatching some ZZZ's during the good Rev.'s sermons and never listened to a word.

I don't think so. The libs will tolerate the hate directed at the other party, or in this case - directed at the man.

re: #134 jamgarr

Where else do you go for your weekly dose of bawdy humor?!

The sermons have a bawdy odor, too.

Koskiddie diaries:
Obama brought me to tears
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

This stain just calls too much attention to itself.

Yesterday during an interview on PBR Lehrer Report with Gwen Ifel (sp) GBO stated that he had plans for the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. One of these plans was to seek International assistance in setting up a process for addressing any WAR CRIMES that may have been committed in that country. It seemed to me that he had in mind American soldiers being put on trial in a similar manner to Sloban Milosovic (sp) in the Hague.

re: #148 WrathofG-d

There is some irony to the fact that many here on LGF were worried that Obama was a Muslim, and thus would have possessed latent Anti-Americanism, Antisemitism, religious-politicism, and racism...when he did possess all of these characteristics...but they were from his "church".

It would appear that " Black Liberation Theology " and Islam have alot in common.

re: #149 WriterMom

Charles-did you feed the hamsters today? Eeees sooo slowww.

The site has never really been the same since the last Apache upgrade. It seemed much, much faster before.

re: #134 jamgarr

Where else do you go for your weekly dose of bawdy humor?!

Can you imagine a 'riding dirty' rant at church? I can't!

re: #111 Globular Cluster

Excellent post.

re: #128 wtc394

While trying to get to a Phillies game (coming from the west), ran into various accidents, etc. Eventually drove down 611/Broad Street. Wow, Wish I would have brought some weaponry with me, this country boy ain't used to that crap.

I can see how anyone who lives like that would want someone to "Save" them. Maybe Obama can get some extra earmarks for Temple.

If after 150 plus years they haven't gotten over it, slavery, then its time to move. Mexico isn't that far, canadah might be too cold. Hey how about AFRICA?

Afros have for far too long been given a pass for their racism. This man & his silly wife do not deserve to go to the White House. End racism right now. Make it a hate crime applicable to blacks...

re: #147 razorbacker

Change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Apply as needed.

Headon, directly to the forehead?

Actually I don't know which I dislike more, the commercial or the rant.

re: #152 ArmyAunt

You know its full of crap when the first sentence of a kos diary reads "I was out on a work appointment "

re: #157 NoSubmission

Can you imagine a 'riding dirty' rant at church? I can't!

My jaw dropped when I heard that one. I'm not what you would call a prude, but we're talking about a pulpit here!

re: #157 NoSubmission

Can you imagine a 'riding dirty' rant at church? I can't!

To be honest, they may be riding dirty in my temple. I wouldn't know since I am usually fast asleep. My wife has to elbow me so much, I usually come home black and blue in the ribs.

OK, I just wasted 12 minutes of my life, listening to the first part of that speech.

What an entire truckload of crap. A fleet of trucks full of crap.

I'm turning it off now.

Is this really what Obama is like? Man oh man, nauseating.

I'm very glad I don't watch TV.

Oh god! My ears are bleeding.
But yet...BHO gives me such hope.

re: #155 Nevergiveup

Do we call this "Political Black Theology"?

"extremist Blacks"? Is Black Liberation Theology just another Religion of Peace?

Someone mentioned The Flags -- The Flags! The Flags!

I noticed they were magnificently back-lit with a majestic blue light.
I half expected BHO to enter the stage draped in Old Glory like a Yippy rock star wannabee of the Lost Generation.

I've read the transcript twice now. It's basically a class warfare diatribe to assuage the LCD of the Left. It's going to take days to examine every nuance.

re: #142 galloping granny

My grandmother, born in 1865 to a Southern, plantation & slave owning family in North Carolina, never once had the N word pass her lips. She was hard put to use the word "negro" rather than "colored." Her daughter, my mother, would have whipped me bloody with a peach tree switch if the N word had ever passed my lips - and she peeled onions at 4 am through 4 years of college so that her mother could pay for the black maids daughter of the same age to go to college.

I am absolutely OUTRAGED that that man threw his Granny under the bus like that and equated her comments with the venom spewed by his "pastor."

That's an amazing story about your mother, something that should be recognized by the black community as an effort to repair inequality - but would they recognize it as such?

Our friend came from a wealthy family in the south, and she said she'd buy any and anything from door to door black salesman because she was afraid to be labeled racist.

Can you imagine a 'riding dirty' rant at church? I can't!

I would have been OUT of there in a second!
My daughter wouldn't be exposed to that crap.

zombie,

What an entire truckload of crap. A fleet of trucks full of crap

A convoy of crapola.

re: #85 rawmuse

Can a drowning man use a strawman to stay afloat? for awhile, maybe.

I'm still struck by the duplicity of what is said in their own insular group, versus what is proclaimed in public.

Now I realize why some angry black people assume whites have secret meetings and make plans that they won't admit. They assume others have the same practices that they live by.

Charles
Get the Draino out your "pipes" are clogged!

re: #6 rappmandu

He has some gall to stand in front of those American flags, apologizing for his preacher's hate and lecturing the country on race.

My thoughts exactly. I was listening, with an open mind, and kept finding myself insulted and offended. He doesn't just think we are idiots, he thinks we are racist idiots supporting him out of white guilt.

The last thing I heard was the thing about his white grandmother saying racial epithets.

What an evil thing for Obama to do. He's basically excusing Rev. Wright by saying, "Well, even my white grandmother was a racist against blacks. So, we're all equally to blame here." He threw his grandmother under the bus to try to draw a moral equivalence between her and Rev. Wright.

All I feel is disgust for this man.

I thought of something more -
Obama is Darth Hussein - he supports the dark side.
He quietly justified anger that anyone can feel. Let the anger flow, use it.
His anger is justified; all our anger is justified. We're being held down by corporations, whitey, whatever.

The fact that Obama now admits that he heard Wright say some of this first hand is very interesting. My guess is there is some footage that will come out of Wright raving out and Obama in the crowd nodding, so he's trying to get out in front of that.

re: #176 zombie

I guess there are excuses for racism.

--The LLLs can start ripping their "eracism" and "there is no excuse for hate" bumperstickers off their cars now.

I think this speech also defined him as "black". He threw out his 1/2 white side along with his granny.

re: #173 slokat

Can a drowning man use a strawman to stay afloat? for awhile, maybe.

I'm still struck by the duplicity of what is said in their own insular group, versus what is proclaimed in public.

Now I realize why some angry black people assume whites have secret meetings and make plans that they won't admit. They assume others have the same practices that they live by.

Projection. No wonder they accuse whites of ulterior motives.

The not so Rev. Wright spewing political speeches ('An Occasionally Fierce Critic of American Domestic and Foreign Policy') from the pulpit is not allowed for registered charitable organizations, such as churches, enjoying tax-exempt status. I went to the TUCC website, and found no mention of contributions being tax deductable, just that a receipt will be provided. So I'm assuming that the receipt is to prove the tax deductability of the contribution/tithe. Will this be investigated by the IRS? Politics is pay to play in this country, and if Wright wants to play at politics, them make him, and his so-called church, pay for the privilege. And he and the church should pay going back years.

re: #165 zombie

OK, I just wasted 12 minutes of my life, listening to the first part of that speech.

What an entire truckload of crap. A fleet of trucks full of crap.

I'm turning it off now.

Is this really what Obama is like? Man oh man, nauseating.

I'm very glad I don't watch TV.

Just think Zombie, there's a 50/50 chance he's our next President.

re: #154 brown_paper_kid

Under Prez Hillary, our American soldiers would be prosecuted domestically, because Hill cannot conceive of any power more mighty than she. With Obama in the White House, you will see American soldiers in the prisoners' dock at The Hague, if only to make an example, and to calm the baying curs in Congress. Count on it.

re: #165 zombie

OK, I just wasted 12 minutes of my life, listening to the first part of that speech.

What an entire truckload of crap. A fleet of trucks full of crap.

I'm turning it off now.

Is this really what Obama is like? Man oh man, nauseating.

I'm very glad I don't watch TV.

Yes, Zombie, this is the real Obama. He is a product of the Cook County Democratic Organization aka The Chicago Machine. Almost every Democrat in the state with the sole exception of Rahm Emmanuel supports him. Why not Rahm? Rahm's afraid he's going to get his balls busted by either side if he picks a side. He worked for the Clintons, and is a part of the Chicago Machine.

Obama is, was, and will be and empty suit. He is a vessel into which the Machine can place almost anything, any policy, any law to pass, any attorney general to replace. If you want to find the source of this stench, look no further than Todd Stroger and Rich Daley, two of Obama's biggest supporters.

re: #139 DistantThunder

I worked the night shift at Target in my younger days. There was the black guy on crack, the young black girls who had the filthiest mouths and listened to the coarsest music I have ever heard, who each had babies, the older black woman working on her degree ( like me) and the black police officer who was the son of a minister ( the nicest guy there, who I felt the most affinity to, black or white, due to his values.)

The trick is being able to discern who are the toxic people and who are the healthy well-adjusted ones. Barak and his posse are toxic to our culture.

I used to have all kinds of coworkers, but nowadays I work tech support (for Charles's favorite hamster company). If you can spend day after day, week after week, month after month for years dealing with customers, you earn whatever position you have. Everybody I work with in my department would be successful no matter what "oppressed" group they supposedly belonged to. Tech support is a ruthless meritocracy.

a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam

Forgive my cynicism, but I can't shake the feeling that behind this statement lurks the sentiment, "... and Israel will be an even more worthy ally when it drops its racist Zionist policies and becomes an inclusive homeland for Jew and Arab alike."

I also find it clever -- too clever by half -- that he uses this turn of phrase to denounce "the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam," but says nothing about the real root of the Arab-Israeli conflict: good old-fashioned Jew-hatred on the part of secular and religious Arabs alike. The PLO in the 1960s and 1970s wasn't murdering Israelis and other Jews in the name of Allah, Senator. Nor was Nasser motivated by religious fervor when he vowed time and again to drive the Jews into the sea.

re: #176 zombie

I wonder if his white grandmother is still alive. I'm guessing she's not around anymore to defend herself.

re: #148 WrathofG-d

There is some irony to the fact that many here on LGF were worried that Obama was a Muslim, and thus would have possessed latent Anti-Americanism, Antisemitism, religious-politicism, and racism...when he did possess all of these characteristics...but they were from his "church".

So-called "Black Liberation Theology" and islam seem to have lots in common. For instance, they each seem to be focused on (1) grievance and (2) vengeance, as central tenets of their faith.

re: #173 slokat

Can a drowning man use a strawman to stay afloat? for awhile, maybe.

I'm still struck by the duplicity of what is said in their own insular group, versus what is proclaimed in public.

Now I realize why some angry black people assume whites have secret meetings and make plans that they won't admit. They assume others have the same practices that they live by.

Projection is a wonderful thing, isn't it.

I disowned my gramma. Not that difficult. I'm sure she deserved it more than Barack's gramma, but not nearly as much as Barack's pastor.

I grew up in the Chicago machine. My grandfather was a police man - first on the scene at the St. Valentines Day massacre - his first week on the job. I'm glad we moved when I was 12 to california, then a Republican stronghold.

BTW, why don't we call Democrats - job killers?

Yesterday my son (7) saw some of the clips, including a preacher say "God damn America". He was shocked. We had to explain to him that this man was saying terrible things and was in big trouble for it.

Think Obama ever had that talk with his kids?

Think of all the kids being mentally twisted in that church. And people thought Elian Gonzales needed rescuing.

I thought Obama was at his articulate best, but the bloom is off the rose. He's just another politician that doesn't transcend a damn thing anymore. He was able to ride style over substance, because he really didn't have much of a resume. The Dems are in a hell of a mess, with either choice because whoever loses is taking their ball home, along with their constituency.

This is kind of like watching Dr. Strangelove fighting himself as his black-gloved fist tries to strangle him.

re: #190 mama winger

Thank G-d, they haven't taken on the 3rd aspect of Islamism: Violent Action.

+I guess American preoccupation and laziness is good for something.

Wouldn't Gettysburg be a better place for the "Great Uniter"?

The place that turned the tide of the War to end this Slavery he spoke of would seem to a better venue. Or Hershey, maybe he could turn it into a Chocolate town.

Possibilities are endless here in our state.

BHO must be pissed to have to brake out and spend his inaugural speeach. I think this is what we can expect. Being taken to the wood shed for wrong thinking. No solutions. Now america...go the corner of the room and face the wall and stand there until you have learned your lesson.

re: #33 Lively

Watch and see how many people say, "Aww, leave him alone. Hasn't he suffered enough?"

If "having suffered enough" over a little press criticism is a valid excuse, the McCain has the mother of all "get out of jail free" cards, doesn't he?

re: #178 3 wood

The fact that Obama now admits that he heard Wright say some of this first hand is very interesting. My guess is there is some footage that will come out of Wright raving out and Obama in the crowd nodding, so he's trying to get out in front of that.

My thoughts exactly. I brought that up on LGF Fallback when LGF was down. There is evidence somewhere, and he's in pre-emptive mode.

Will someone (with the knowhow) please clip the video of the lie (never heard the Rev...) to the admission.

When will the media ask Obama "Which parts of your pastors preaching's will form the central policy of your administration.
Oops, I guess I just haven't been reading between the the lines of Obama's speeches. Obama's surrender in Iraq policy fits his preachers "God Damn Amerikkka" line and I guess Obama would be pretty happy to "ride America Dirty". Would the press care to opine? Beyond suggesting that Obama as a "good Christian believer" had nothing better to do on Sunday mornings than to go to church and ignore the sermons?

re: #194 commander_vimes

Indoctrination starts with the very young. His kids have probably heard worse.

re: #189 Killgore Trout

I wonder if his white grandmother is still alive. I'm guessing she's not around anymore to defend herself.

She is very much alive. However, the Obama campaign has put her in solitary. Not allowed to speak or do interviews. She also does not come to campaign events.

re: #194 commander_vimes

Yesterday my son (7) saw some of the clips, including a preacher say "God damn America". He was shocked. We had to explain to him that this man was saying terrible things and was in big trouble for it.

Think Obama ever had that talk with his kids?

Think of all the kids being mentally twisted in that church. And people thought Elian Gonzales needed rescuing.

Reminiscent of what Charles has been posting about palestinian children's programming. Hate is hate, and it makes people weak and dependent on others.

And what's so bad about being middle class; it beats the alternative.

An Elegant Farce

Barack Obama’s Tuesday sermon was a well-crafted, well-delivered, postmodern review of race that had little to do with the poor judgment revealed in Obama’s relationship with the hateful Rev. Wright, much less the damage that he does both to African Americans and to the country in general.

Obama chose not to review what Wright, now deemed the “occasionally fierce critic.” said in detail, condemn it unequivocally, apologize, and then resign from such a Sunday venue of intolerance — the now accustomed American remedy to racism in the public realm that we saw in the Imus and other recent controversies.

Instead, to Obama, the postmodernist, context is everything. We all have eccentric and flamboyant pastors like Wright with whom we disagree. And words, in his case, don’t quite mean what we think; unspoken intent and angst, not voiced hatred, are what matters more.

Rather than account for his relationship with a hate-monger, Obama will enlighten you, as your teacher, why you are either confused or too ill-intended to ask him to disassociate himself from Wright.

/Victor Davis Hanson

Speed is better on refresh...hamsters seem to be up and running.

yes

Splat!

Barak and Michelle have had a close relationship with the Rev. Wright for 20 years and they have apparently been listening to all this hate talk for 20 years. If Barak were not running for President he would still be listening to all the hate talk and never thinking about giving a speech to condem such hate talk. And, Barak still will not completely separate himself from this Rev. Wright but instead lectures America on why the good Rev. Wright has a valid excuse to make hateful comments and that underneath, these comments are really true and the rest of us better watch out if we don't agree with that. Rev. Wrights actions and words speak for themselves and if Obama doesn't understand that then he is too dumb to be President.

re: #205 mama winger

They muzzled Mrs. Messiah, too.

Michelle's verbal aggression reflects that of the pastor.

re: #193 DistantThunder

I grew up in the Chicago machine. My grandfather was a police man - first on the scene at the St. Valentines Day massacre - his first week on the job. I'm glad we moved when I was 12 to california, then a Republican stronghold.

BTW, why don't we call Democrats - job killers?

Man, what a scene for him to see during his first week. My own grandfather was a policeman during the 1967 12th Street Riot in Detroit.

Why don't we call Dems "job killers"? For the same reason no one calls them totalitarian leftists, socialists, Progressives (some at least admit to it though), amongst other things. They control the "old-stream" media, and they set the tone for most debates.

I've watched the Chicago Machine wane and then regrow like a hydra head after King Richard II became mayor. It's interesting watching it from outside Cook County. They now have the governorship of Illinois, and I think they think they can make a play for the presidency.

re: #202 unrealizedviewpoint

Will someone (with the knowhow) please clip the video of the lie (never heard the Rev...) to the admission.

Is it this one?

re: #209 DistantThunder

Speed is better on refresh...hamsters seem to be up and running.

I hope he didn't have to put a cattle prod up their... well you know.

re: #142 galloping granny

Using granny was a very low thing.

If race isn't an issue, why does he refer to his "white Grandmother?"

Who was that for?

re: #213 WriterMom

They muzzled Mrs. Messiah, too.

Thank the Lord for small favors.

re: #206 DistantThunder

Exactly. Would it be wrong to wonder what the crime rate is among members of that church?

Video and transcript now here Obama Video and Transcript at PearlHarbor.org

From the idiot logic dept at kos

Me Too - The Most Powerful Moment... (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
bustacap, Jeffersonian Democrat, lauramp, watch out for snakes, scottiex2

...When he said he couldn't denounce his former pastor anymore than he could denounce his racist white grandmother.

The man is EVERYONE! He is black and he is white. And knows all kinds of ignorance. Which means he also has access to all kinds of wisdom.

And he is deeply deeply honorable and trustworthy.

Great Speech!

YES
WE
CAN

by interdependence on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:32:19 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

with apologies to Tammy Wynette

you better :)

re: #170 DistantThunder

That's an amazing story about your mother, something that should be recognized by the black community as an effort to repair inequality - but would they recognize it as such?

Our friend came from a wealthy family in the south, and she said she'd buy any and anything from door to door black salesman because she was afraid to be labeled racist.

My grandmother wasn't afraid to be labeled a racist in the least because she absolutely was not one and everyone knew that. She was an amazing woman - raised a dozen or so kids, ran a store, kept the entire town she lived in afloat through the Great Depression (there were boxes of unpaid bills people still owed when she died).

Both my mother and my grandmother would roll right over in their graves if anyone ever acknowledged mom peeling those onions. Neither of them considered it anything special - just their duty. There was money enough for one college tuition in 1936. Both the girls were valedictorians. Mom could get a scholarship because she was white. End of story.

re: #220 Ben Hur

Obama, you can't have it both ways

Obama is such a predictable liberal.

Lets say the shoe was on the other foot. Lets say John McCain had a good friend who he knew and associated with for 20 years. Lets say John's good friend just happened to be a Grand Kleagle in the Ku Klux Klan. Then John comes out and says he had no idea his good buddy was an nasty ole racist. Then he starts making excuses for his good buddy. Lets say john said all of the speeches his friend made at various Klan rallies over the years were "taken out of context".

How far would John get with that, do you suppose?

Like Thomas Sowell said "in what context would God Damn America mean something else"?

re: #224 bulwrk

The man is EVERYONE! He is black and he is white. And knows all kinds of ignorance. Which means he also has access to all kinds of wisdom.

And he is deeply deeply honorable and trustworthy.

Oh for the love of pete.

Obama better gear up for a bumpy ride. The Clinton dirt slinging machine is just warming up. Would bet that they had something to do with this story popping up...

He could've said this:

"It is true that I've attended Rev. Wright's church for twenty years, donated over $22,000 to it, called Pastor Wright my spiritual mentor, had him baptize my children, -- and it's true there was a time in my life when I gave a lot of the inflammatory things he said a fair degree of credence. Things were indeed bad, I was angry, and I was looking for a place for me and my family to belong. There are good and wonderful people in that church, and as a committed Christian, I stand with them.

But clearly there comes a time to move past conspiracy theories, overheated rhetoric, and scapegoating. There comes a time when one must become a responsible, productive American citizen who can discuss issues and problems in a rational, measured, and mature manner with everyone, regardless of background. That is the American way at its best, and as a candidate aspiring to represent all of us, I am committed to doing this, now and forever. I do not want to be 'the first black president.' I want to be *your* president, all of you.

So I am here tonight to put this part of my history to rest. I hereby repudiate the intemperate, divisive, and wrong things my pastor has said. I repudiate the way he said it. I hereby resign, with regrets to the good people there, my family's membership in that church. And I want to state for the record, in the clearest terms possible, that I have the same dream as the rest of you -- an America free of racial prejudice, where people are judged by their character -- and I will dedicate my life to ensuring that all our children have the freedom to pursue their dreams in that condition.

Thank you, and God bless America."

I know some are afraid of Obama, but I have been seeing him as a dandy minstrel presenting a traveling show.

Up thread kept seeing BHO used as his initials.

Fits with how I view him: BHO Jangles ...dancing the 'ole soft shoe.

re: #222 commander_vimes

Exactly. Would it be wrong to wonder what the crime rate is among members of that church?

What is your definition of wrong? How do you relate the wrong to the wrong done to slave "A" in 1778? You know your definitely wrong , don't you?

re: #184 Pullus Iulius

If and when that is allowed to happen there will be a shooting war in this country.

Zombie

A creepy, crooked convey of collossal crap

So, is it's Barry again, is it?

re: #232 slokat

BHO Jangles

LOL

here’s the video, so we have everything completely in context.

Sorry, "completely in context" would require that you grow up with slavery and Jim Crow, as Wright did. Otherwise, you just can't fully understand.

we still don’t know where Obama stands on any of the very specific issues raised by Rev. Wright

Not only that but a new question arises out of this speech. Does he think O.J. was guilty? Was a double murder trial about race?

re: #228 maddogg

That goes without saying. Republicans are always held to a higher standard, and the media usually circles the wagons around the left when they do the same thing, or worse.

That Shelby Steele WSJ article really nails it. Thank God for Shelby! His capacity to see the light through the racial issues is extraordinary, and he will surely be seen through the lens of history as a difference maker for truth and justice.

Hey for all you wannabe bulimics out there, here's a Hillary!/Plame/Wilson picture.

re: #239 Rancher

we still don’t know where Obama stands on any of the very specific issues raised by Rev. Wright

Not only that but a new question arises out of this speech. Does he think O.J. was guilty? Was a double murder trial about race?

Did the glove fit or the dog bark?

I am not a racist !
I hate everyone and everything equally
If a white person says anything that may not even be derogatory but one person may not like the way it is said they make up being offended and scream racism.
It pisses me off to be responsible for everything thats not in my control.
This election will shine a light on the black racist and the hate mongers of this country
Sharpton will be looking for a job I hope cause race bating will not work anymore

re: #222 commander_vimes

Exactly. Would it be wrong to wonder what the crime rate is among members of that church?

Not at all. Back when Obama was in the IL State Legislature, he worked on a provision that would rescind the requirement that paroled felons cannot associate with other known felons. The reason? He apparently said that it would be impossible for people in his district to NOT be in proximity to other felons.

Gramps is a felon, Uncle Bob is a felon, Aunt Maggie is a felon ...

I think he showed some of his flaws by backtracking on having sat in the audience for Wright`s hate speeches.

I think he should hav ebeen more careful in presenting the story of his Granny. I do not believe he was throwing her under the bus but trying to say how huuman bonds between people of races transcend our prejudices, which is true.

I feel for the guy because black authenticity politics suck and black men especially feel pressure to behave in certain, usually silly, ways at risk of their credibility.

Obama hanging out with Wright is the equivilent of a bright suburban kid who acts up in the back of class and hangs out with the city kids to show how black he is.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough.

Wiggle word that.

Now we can all get together and be re-educated by the Obama.

The acceptance of Barak from the DNC on this issue reminds me of the RNC's embracing of David Duke and his run for POTUS.

--oh, wait...what?...The Republican's didn't embrace, excuse, and love their racists? But, I thought the right were the racists...this is confusing.

216 mama winger

re: #202 unrealizedviewpoint

Will someone (with the knowhow) please clip the video of the lie (never heard the Rev...) to the admission.

Is it this one?

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That's the first part where he denies ever hearing the Rev. Now, today's clip needs to be spliced in.

re: #245 mama winger

I heard that caller on rush yesterday but have yet to hear it confirmed. Won't be a bit surprised, but want to see it in ink first.

I still don't understand why Condi Rice doesn't receive such adulation from the left.

Living under Jim Crow was more of a challenge than being a settler in Hawaii.

Racist G-mother or not.

re: #235 Adrenalyn

A creepy, crooked convey of collossal crap

Rotating title!

Why is it I always hear these lyrics when the man speaks?

THE SIDESTEP
From : "The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas"
(Carol Hall)
Charles Durning

Fellow Americans, I am proudly standing here to humbly see.
I assure you, and I mean it- Now, who says I don't speak out as plain as day?
And, fellow Americans, I'm for progress and the flag- long may it fly.
I'm a poor boy, come to greatness. So, it follows that I cannot tell a lie.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Now my good friends, it behooves me to be solemn and declare,
I'm for goodness and for profit and for living clean and saying daily prayer.
And now, my good friends, you can sleep nights, I'll continue to stand tall.
You can trust me, for I promise, I shall keep a watchful eye upon ya'll...

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Now, Reverend Wright, I don't know all about him, though I've heard the name, oh yes.
But, of course I've no close contact, so what he is doing I can only guess.
And now, Reverend Wright, I can't say he's a blemish on the face of my candidacy.
I am taking certain steps here, someone somewhere's gonna have to take that mission statement down.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep...

And, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step...

Cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

I'm wondering if the DNC convention will fully implode this summer when the super delegates vote for Hillary as their last, best hope given the "sudden" large cracks OBAMA! has shown. When the MSM starts feeding on the chosen one, it is over.

I hope it looks like one of those sci-fi special effects when everything sucks up into a singularity, flashes, then disappears. Very cool to watch. Except you'd have to sit through a Kerry or Kennedy or Dean speech (or five) to see it!

He really thinks he's virtuous.

Good God.. I'm hearing comparisons of the speech to MLK's 'I have a dream' speech. Lame, but predictable response from the MSM.

re: #247 Peacekeeper

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough.

Wiggle word that.

Nice catch

re: #249 WrathofG-d

The acceptance of Barak from the DNC on this issue reminds me of the RNC's embracing of David Duke and his run for POTUS.

--oh, wait...what?...The Republican's didn't embrace, excuse, and love their racists? But, I thought the right were the racists...this is confusing.

Wasn't David Dukes the President about the same time Meir Kahane was Prime Minister of Israel?

re: #251 commander_vimes

I heard that caller on rush yesterday but have yet to hear it confirmed. Won't be a bit surprised, but want to see it in ink first.

That's true - I just heard it, didn't see verification.

Rush's Operation Chaos has spread from the DNC to Trinity United Church of Christ and the HQ of the United Church of Christ. Success.

[Link: www.ucc.org...]

Okay. Can any of the geniuses here come up with a "I have a dream" title for the BO speech?
Only thing I can come up with is:
I have a scheme?

re: #245 mama winger

Not at all. Back when Obama was in the IL State Legislature, he worked on a provision that would rescind the requirement that paroled felons cannot associate with other known felons. The reason? He apparently said that it would be impossible for people in his district to NOT be in proximity to other felons.

LOL! Recinding it would mean that the Chicago Aldermen could at least be in the same room together. :-D

/Jail time. It's just another job hazard in the Chicago City Council.

But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.

Mr. Obama,

You are a liar and a demagogue. The works and oratory of Bill Buckley Jr., et alia, the failures of liberalism, and the execrable Jimmy Carter forged the Reagan Coalition, you fatuous, hollow, platitudinous, sophistry-spouting, pusillanimous twit.

Best Regards

Why is Obama talking about a "more perfect Union?"

I thought he is the perfect union.

Hoodwinked.

Obummah's a closet hater -- no doubt, no s'prizes

So slick, too-slick pretendah implodes

Kos kids cover they eyeses

re: #220 Ben Hur

I had two grandmothers. My paternal grandmother we called Ponkie (I don't know why, the oldest grand kid gets to name the grand mother) and Mimi (same story as above)

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

Some people just felon with bad company...

You're really Groucho Marx, aren't you?

re: #182 RickZ

The IRS does not dare touch a black church during a presidential election year, and in particular, this election year.

If you wrote and asked them, they couldn't say so, of course.

Here's a trivial thought...

It has to do with loyalty and character etc...

Has anybody done a body of how many people from each campaign (both sides) have been thrown under the bus for momentary gain?

Seems to me that we hear every week someone (or multiple someones) from Shrillary or Obamasama getting thrown under the bus for X,Y Z reason but not so much from the other side of the aisle...

Could be neat statistic:
Shrillary "Well I've certainly sacrificed more to become POTUS than my esteemed opponent and have the body count from my campaign to prove it!"

Obama is a liar. Period!