Preemptive surrender

Can Wilders send the video to Hot air, and other blogs and have it shown there ?

Dhimmi Network Solutions.

Bastards.

This is completely wrong, because he had not posted a thing. This will bring US control of the "teh intarweb" up for heated discussion again, they are screwing themselves.

The site hosted in England is right here.

Not sure when the show is supposed to start.

The video should be released on the Web, to propagate like wildfire.

re: #1 Shug

Preemptive surrender

Preemptive censorship.

re: #5 Thanos

This is completely wrong, because he had not posted a thing. This will bring US control of the "teh intarweb" up for heated discussion again, they are screwing themselves.

OTOH, if the UN got hold of the 'net, it would never get out, either.

re: #7 Ward Cleaver

The video should be released on the Web, to propagate like wildfire.

Yup.

Hmmm so the rumors were confirmed to be true...

Can he do it on YouTube?

The very definition of censorship.

I wonder which of their TOS they'll claim he violated.

Talk about timing. I was using the whois for a domain I was looking into purchasing which Network Solution whois database said no one owned it. Then I went to GoDaddy and apparently the domain was taken. I looked up who it was and guess what, it was registered to Network Solution as of today. Cheap tactic to get more money out of me.

re: #13 Psaturn

Can he do it on YouTube?

Yes. He already said that he will do it.

re: #15 Opilio

I wonder which of their TOS they'll claim he violated.

Terms of Surrender.

He voilated none of them. That's their problem

I think there's a word for actions like what was taken by netsol.

I think we call it chickenshit

That said, Isn't this the guy who is like a crypto-goose stepper?
Baby Goose stepper?

Can you take baby goose steps?

Hmmm.

WTF? Network Solutions (I smell a boycott or pressure coming)

The more this film tries to be suppressed, the greater the interest to see it.

Typical cowardice and PC crap, preemptively withdrawn without first having been seen.

I suspect the support for Mr. Geert Wilders will only increase and make him and his film stronger.

re: #6 29Victor

The site hosted in England is right here.

Not sure when the show is supposed to start.

OH! Well if that's what the U.S.-hosted site was showing, I see why they shut it down!

/NOT

I learn so much here. I thought he was Fitna unload with the truth!
Silly me.

The fact that all these people are so afraid to show his film, validates the message of the film

The site is back up. The error message you received earlier is gone, the Fitna logo is back. Seems someone made them realize there were no TOS violations.

“This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site’s content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy,” officials draft an apology for even thinking about exposing Islam, the company said on the site [Link: www.fitnathemovie.com....]

Better.

Well, looks like we lost and islam is running things now. How long did it take our society to fold and relinquish our freedom of speech to a bunch of barbarian thugs? A couple of years?

I guess we thought since we had nuclear weapons we'd be safe. We didn't factor in the fact that we've got a bunch of "multicultural" scumbags holding the gates open for the barbarian invasion so they can look chic.

Network solutions. I think I've used them before but never again.

He could make a torrent and distribute it that way. Throw it up on The Pirate Bay or another tracker and it will spread like wildfire.

Woah what what? A provider pulls the plug on a site due to complaints? How the hell are there still hardcore bestiality sites up? Are those not quite as offensive as an unflattering look at the Koran?

Fuck them.

I have in my lap a solid, one-pound chocolate bunny.

w00t

This may be the best thing that could happen to the film, in a way. It's like banning "All Quiet on the Western Front," or -- a little less literary -- 2 Live Crew's "Nasty As They Want to Be."

It only fans the flame.

Wilders won't have to work hard to distribute the film. Because it clearly contains something dangerous, people will seek it out.

I hope, anyway.

re: #29 MandyManners

Lucky bunny.

I find it sad that so many so-called "free people" are willing to suppress this film -- sight unseen -- in the name of "tolerance" or "good relations".

They don't seem to see that this one film isn't the end point... its just the beginning. If this movie is spiked it will open the flood gates; the authorities will not be able to keep up with the demands for new displays of "accepting" Islam [read: dhimmitude]... from a rapidly expanding alphabet soup of new Muslim identity groups.

The demands will not stop until the entire nation is living as de facto Muslims under an informal self-imposed shariah system. I guess they just don't see it coming. Sad.

But then, thus ends all cowards. Same as it ever was.

It will get on the web somehow or other and likely will be put on YouTube faster than YouTube can block it. Barring lawsuits and criminal complaints, it is very difficult to block information—and even then, legal action is not foolproof.

Has anyone (other than Wilders) see Fina? If not, how can there be legitimate complaints about whether or not the site's content is in violation of the Networks Solutions Acceptable Use Policy?
And mind you this is a site set up by a member of
the Dutch Parliment.
Would Networks Solutions - a US based company -
suspend an internet site put up by a member of Congress? I don't think so.
This is what we lawyers (active and retired) call "Prior Censorship" and it is abhorred by all those who love Freedom of Speech.

re: #24 bikermailman

The site is back up. The error message you received earlier is gone, the Fitna logo is back. Seems someone made them realize there were no TOS violations.

you sure about that?

re: #16 kaitian868

Talk about timing. I was using the whois for a domain I was looking into purchasing which Network Solution whois database said no one owned it. Then I went to GoDaddy and apparently the domain was taken. I looked up who it was and guess what, it was registered to Network Solution as of today. Cheap tactic to get more money out of me.

This has been in the industry press for a while. Network Solutions reserves all domains that someone searches for supposedly to prevent domain "tasting", but it really works out that they lock it for themselves.

They really should be blocked from this.

re: #27 Luthien

He could make a torrent and distribute it that way. Throw it up on The Pirate Bay or another tracker and it will spread like wildfire.

I saw rumblings that he'd torrent it, put it on Limewire, something of that nature if he had to.

I looked at the trailer of this film...it does not look interesting...

re: #38 Psaturn

I looked at the trailer of this film...it does not look interesting...

Where did you find the trailer?

(How do you make a trailer for a 15-minute movie?)

re: #29 MandyManners

Fuck them.

I have in my lap a solid, one-pound chocolate bunny.

w00t

I'll buy mine Monday morning. Always hit the stores the day after a candy holiday. :D

Amazing! Last time I saw it, this single page web site had 3 words in all of it : "Fitna The Movie". And that inspired enough fear that it had to be removed!

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

Lucky bunny.

Not for long. His ears....

re: #24 bikermailman

See my link in the spinoffs. It's still down.

re: #24 bikermailman

I'm still getting the "site is suspended" msg, for now. Will try later.

re: #24 bikermailman

The site is back up. The error message you received earlier is gone, the Fitna logo is back. Seems someone made them realize there were no TOS violations.

I am still getting this message

This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation. For more information about Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy visit the following URL: [Link: www.networksolutions.com...]

My mistake. The British host still has it up. Our proud American one is **ssing out still.

That sucks, I use network solutions.

:(

re: #39 Cognito

Where did you find the trailer?

(How do you make a trailer for a 15-minute movie?)

Good question! I googled and I found this:

Someone else to add to the "Axis of Hand-Wringers" it seems.

re: #40 bikermailman

I'll buy mine Monday morning. Always hit the stores the day after a candy holiday. :D

There you go!

Censorship is not dead and it will get stronger everyday. Governments and others are afraid and don't want riots or terrorist attacks in their countries. It looks like more and more people/universities/business/etc. are walking on eggshells to keep the trouble down. If not for fear of riots, terrorist attacks then their is all the time and money of being sued for some offense that islam seem to think has been done to them

re: #34 realwest

This is what we lawyers (active and retired) call "Prior Censorship" and it is abhorred by all those who love Freedom of Speech.

And not all love freedom of speech. From a link of the link:

There should be restrictions on what Wilders can say, said Rieke, a 61-year-old Amsterdam arts teacher who declined to give her last name.
"I think it is embarrassing what Wilders says, for example about tearing up the Koran. It is a very bad example to people to let him say whatever he wants," she said.

re: #24 bikermailman

The site is back up. The error message you received earlier is gone, the Fitna logo is back. Seems someone made them realize there were no TOS violations.

Not for me it isn't - "domain temporarily unavailable"

Gee whiz...I just woke up from a nap, try this linky thingy for the Brit site. The last one was MM's upload site.

re: #6 29Victor

The site hosted in England is right here.

Not sure when the show is supposed to start.

That's great. I immediately opened it in one of my tabs, so I can check it tomorrow. - Thanks a lot for the linky.

BTW, it says it'll be up on 23 March 2008. - But wait, that's tomorrow !

It's already tomorrow there. Six hours ahead of me, I think.

I still see the; This site has been suspended message...

NS will hang their hat on this last bit of their "Acceptable Use Policy"

Violations
...
You agree that Network Solutions shall under no circumstances be held liable on account of any action it takes, in good faith, to restrict transmission of material that it or any user of the services considers to be fraudulent, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.

"...any user of the services..." want to speak up?

This is the only possible pertinent clause in Network Solution's TOS -

Transmission, distribution, uploading, posting or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, libelous, unlawful, harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar, constitutes an illegal threat, violates export control laws, hate propaganda, fraudulent material or fraudulent activity, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature. You may not transmit, distribute, or store material that contains a virus, "Trojan Horse," corrupted data, or any software or information to promote or utilize software or any of Network Solutions services to deliver unsolicited e-mail. You further agree not to transmit any material that encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense, gives rise to civil liability or otherwise violates any applicable local, state, national or international law or regulation.

re: #58 galloping granny

You are an impressive granny! I skip the TOS..

Note to self: migrate web site to GoDaddy.com.

re: #48 Psaturn

Good question! I googled and I found this:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Ummm... I think someone's just having a bit of fun. That's not Wilder's film, I'd say...

For such a huge name in the business to be doing this is just another nail insult to everyone. Network Solutions is a major domain and hosting company. The fact that the perception of planned instances of possible anti-Islam "hate speech" could have a site taken offline is just frikkin' mindblowing.

How long will it take before this tape gets double the exposure thanks to controversial news, and dozens of sites are hosting it?

re: #60 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Note to self: migrate web site to GoDaddy.com.

Interesting that islam even has influence in net censorship...

Bow down before your new overlords.

Free speech? Never heard of it.

re: #61 Cognito

Ummm... I think someone's just having a bit of fun. That's not Wilder's film, I'd say...

I think I saw a couple of days ago that the other side was threatening to create fake Wilder films, post them on youtube like mad, to drown out any of the real one.

re: #61 Cognito

Ummm... I think someone's just having a bit of fun. That's not Wilder's film, I'd say...

Oh OK...I saw this Trailer Fitna the movie and I assumed it was a trailer...LOL

re: #59 Psaturn

You are an impressive granny! I skip the TOS..

I suspect they are going to get away with it too. If Wilders wants to distribute the film on the net, then he is going to have to pack it up and stick it up on hosting sites like rapidshare and torrent the thing and let people spread it for him sub rosa.

re: #62 nihilist

For such a huge name in the business to be doing this is just another nail insult to everyone. Network Solutions is a major domain and hosting company. The fact that the perception of planned instances of possible anti-Islam "hate speech" could have a site taken offline is just frikkin' mindblowing.

How long will it take before this tape gets double the exposure thanks to controversial news, and dozens of sites are hosting it?

It won't take long at all.

I think I will file all matters relating to Network Solutions under "CS".

Chicken Shit.

Beware of fake trailers- to "protest" Wilders film, there are many out there making fake Fitna trailers to keep people away from the real Fitna.

fear of islam is the problem. look how strong it is getting. look how it is spreading. look at the cowardice of europe. shameful and sad.

re: #63 Psaturn

Interesting that islam even has influence in net censorship...

Perpetual seething and threats of violence will do that. You only have to behead a few to get the many to toe your line.

Looks like the sword is mightier than the pen in Network Solutions pathetic little universe.

re: #38 Psaturn

There is no "trailer" for the actual film.

As of 10:45pm central time, www.fitnathemovie.com shows the page: "This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. ..."

Gee, with all of the crap on the internet, I didn't know Network Solutions was so discerning about what they allow. Oh, I forgot, we're dealing with Modern Liberals, who can't and won't think about the negative issues with
Islam.

Watch the video "How Modern Liberals Think" by Evan Sayet to learn why these people are like they are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

You'll see why they have to tear down what is good, successful and right and elevate things that are evil, failed and wrong.

You'll need some quiet time and please watch the whole thing. Enjoy!

re: #62 nihilist

How long will it take before this tape gets double the exposure thanks to controversial news, and dozens of sites are hosting it?

Same is true of the Motoons. They would have quickly faded into oblivion were it not for the hell raised by the RoP, the spilling of blood, and the burned embassies.

The disturbing thing is that islamic snuff videos are distributed like crazy and so is the anti Jewish propaganda hate fest that the Muslim extremists put out...and yet anything that criticizes Islam is being 'controlled'...

I don't like this at all...

Here’s a page of contact information for Network Solutions.

[Link: customersupport.networksolutions.com...]

And here’s a page of contact information for General Atlantic.

[Link: www.generalatlantic.com...]

Here’s the “team” roster of General Atlantic.

[Link: www.generalatlantic.com...]

1-800-333-7680

Be nice, don't be hostile. Reasonable complaints are far more likely to help.

re: #52 solomonpanting
Yeah I'm sure she's speaking for a lot of people. That's why the US Supreme Court has waffled on the prior censorship stuff. If you can't censor something before it is disseminated, then you can't censor "pornography" and other stuff BEFORE it is shown.
While not a fan of pronography or other things, I cannot, in good conscience, agree to the entire concept of prior censorship, because that leaves the decision of what We the People have a right to see BEFORE anyone else see's it and tries to stop its dissmenination.
And I've always agreed with Thomas Jefferson (IMO the Greatest American who ever lived) that I would rather ALL ideas be put out into the marketplace of ideas here, and trust in the good judgement of the American people as to which idea are accepted or rejected.
As far as I know No One (except Wilders and perhaps the editor/director) has actually seen Fitna and so I'm PISSED OFF that the World may be denied the right to see it first and then bitch and moan about it later on.

re: #40 bikermailman

I'll buy mine Monday morning. Always hit the stores the day after a candy holiday. :D

Yes, I'll swoop down on Wal-Mart Monday morning.

re: #73 profitsbeard

There is no "trailer" for the actual film.

Thanks for letting me know!

Two words, compounded into one:

Bit. Torrent.

I just called the 800 number, had to hit '0' to get a person. He said the number was for customers, but he took my complaint anyway, suggested I email them as well.

re: #67 galloping granny
Uh, you said " he is going to have to pack it up and stick it up on hosting sites like rapidshare and torrent the thing and let people spread it for him sub rosa." What does "torrent the thing" mean?

re: #16 kaitian868
Talk about timing. I was using the whois for a domain I was looking into purchasing which Network Solution whois database said no one owned it. Then I went to GoDaddy and apparently the domain was taken. I looked up who it was and guess what, it was registered to Network Solution as of today. Cheap tactic to get more money out of me.

re: #36 Kosh's Shadow
This has been in the industry press for a while. Network Solutions reserves all domains that someone searches for supposedly to prevent domain "tasting", but it really works out that they lock it for themselves.

They really should be blocked from this.

If that's the case then we all should fire up our name generators and do a daily search of a hundred or two names a day for a couple of weeks and see how long the SOBs keep reserving junk names.
// This makes me want to do something Evil. {;p™

re: #76 Psaturn

The disturbing thing is that islamic snuff videos are distributed like crazy and so is the anti Jewish propaganda hate fest that the Muslim extremists put out...and yet anything that criticizes Islam is being 'controlled'...

I don't like this at all...

I don't either. As I said above though, I am reasonably sure that rightly or wrongly they are going to block the film and stick to their guns unless somebody takes them to court - the pertinent bit is this -

Transmission, distribution, uploading, posting or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, libelous, unlawful, harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar, constitutes an illegal threat, violates export control laws, hate propaganda, fraudulent material or fraudulent activity, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature. You may not transmit, distribute, or store material that contains a virus, "Trojan Horse," corrupted data, or any software or information to promote or utilize software or any of Network Solutions services to deliver unsolicited e-mail. You further agree not to transmit any material that encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense, gives rise to civil liability or otherwise violates any applicable local, state, national or international law or regulation.

If Wilders can get the file size down small enough it would be really easy to distribute without recourse to a domain name or a single hosting site, but that would have to be something on the order of 50MB I think.

We have 22 Websites 14 of them are with Network Solutions the others with GoDaddy - the other 8 will go to go daddy as well in November when they are due

re: #84 realwest

Uh, you said " he is going to have to pack it up and stick it up on hosting sites like rapidshare and torrent the thing and let people spread it for him sub rosa." What does "torrent the thing" mean?

It is called Bit Torrent. The file lives on a bunch of machines, you grab a torrent for it, plug it into your torrent server and it gets downloaded. gotta go blow up a bed. Talk at you in the AM

So is the film going to be released at midnight on Dutch time? Anybody have any idea?

re: #71 nyc redneck Uh, it's not just Europe my friend - remember Border's and some other stores refusing to carry anything that showed the "Mo" cartoons? And Europe doesn't have ANYTHING like the Freedom of Speech that we have here and Borders and others still caved in to pressure or the THOUGHT of pressure from the muslims in the US (think suicide bomber with a few sticks of dynamite in his backpack splodeydoping while INSIDE a Borders!).
And how many newspapers or newsmagazines carried the "mo" cartoons for the same reason?

Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded. With rights come responsibilities, we should never forget that. Just a little food for thought....ding me down if you must.

There's got to be more to the story than just Network Associates doing this on their own. Is it possible that the Dutch government is leaning on NA to not let Wilders run the site?

As for this:

You agree that Network Solutions shall under no circumstances be held liable on account of any action it takes, in good faith, to restrict transmission of material that it or any user of the services considers to be fraudulent, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.

Since this isn't the government, they can restrict speech on websites they host, even though such language is far too restrictive and likely would be found unconstitutional.

It doesn't mean that they're right to do so, and that they've gone ahead and halted the site even without the offensive content ever posted, it makes me wonder how they let so much other crap through. Wilders must have seriously hit a nerve.

re: #89 Fo knee ix

So is the film going to be released at midnight on Dutch time? Anybody have any idea?

Where did you hear that? I thought it was just 'sometime this month'...

re: #91 MrArchieBunker

Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded. With rights come responsibilities, we should never forget that. Just a little food for thought....ding me down if you must.

What are you referring to, when you say 'responsibility'?

Is there something irresponsible about Wilders' film? I haven't heard a peep about its content -- I think it's supposed to be a bit of a secret.

The UK link says March 23rd, which is right now eastern time.

Yo lizards.

I am SO skipping the thread downstairs.

re: #94 Cognito

Specifically, I am referring to the Dutch troops in Afghanistan

re: #92 lawhawk

If one were to assume facts not in evidence, it would seem obvious that the is so,e pressure being asserted behind the scenes.

re: #55 Beobachter

That's great. I immediately opened it in one of my tabs, so I can check it tomorrow. - Thanks a lot for the linky.

BTW, it says it'll be up on 23 March 2008. - But wait, that's tomorrow !

It's March 23 because it is March 23 in the UK. (time zone) Also that site is a copy site. It is not Wilders.

#91 MrArchieBunker

Is releasing this movie a good idea?

Would you care to clarify your aprehensions?

Pissants.

re: #88 galloping granny

It is called Bit Torrent. The file lives on a bunch of machines, you grab a torrent for it, plug it into your torrent server and it gets downloaded. gotta go blow up a bed. Talk at you in the AM

You must've really hated that bed.

Boy, that last thread has turned into an absolute train wreck.

re: #91 MrArchieBunker

Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded. With rights come responsibilities, we should never forget that. Just a little food for thought....ding me down if you must.

If your religion can stand a little heat - no problem. But if your spiritual guidebook is flawed, wouldn't some believers want to know?

re: #96 WriterMom

Yo lizards.

I am SO skipping the thread downstairs.

Oh gosh, are you referring to the "It's Easter, You're a Bastard!" thread?

re: #94 Cognito

Oh, and Hi Mom!

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

never discuss religion or politics, or religion

re: #91 MrArchieBunker

Point well taken. I don't know what's in the movie. I know very little about Wilders, but somehow I get the feeling that it may be a low-budget hatchet job that only has the effect of embarrassing people who legitimately criticize Islamic extremism. Were it not for all the Muslim outrage, I probably wouldn't even have gotten around to watching Fitna at all.

Now that I see the reaction, however, I'm going to work as hard as I can to download it and re-post it all over the internet, as many times as I can. And if one single Muslim kills someone over this movie, I'll start burning DVD copies and leaving them in public places. That's about where I stand on this one right now.

re: #91 MrArchieBunker

Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded. With rights come responsibilities, we should never forget that. Just a little food for thought....ding me down if you must.

Yes. The intolerance and demands for capitulation from Islam must be exposed as widely as possible. This is not about this one film... it never has been... its about Islam's need to reshape the entire world in its loathsome image.

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy, that last thread has turned into an absolute train wreck.

I hope it was not my fault!

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I see it as the "Oh look, there's Stinky" thread.

#92 lawhawk

There's got to be more to the story than just Network Associates doing this on their own. Is it possible that the Dutch government is leaning on NA to not let Wilders run the site?

That's a distinct possibility owing to demands to apply hate speech laws to the internet by the EU.

It says March 23, and I thought midnite too, but it is well past midnite in Holland.

I sent a suitably supportive and postive comment to the Network Solutions dhimmis at sales@networksolutions.com.

#6 "The site hosted in England is right here.
Not sure when the show is supposed to start."

That UK site is a hoax.

re: #91 MrArchieBunker

Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded. With rights come responsibilities, we should never forget that. Just a little food for thought....ding me down if you must.

Why not. Let the people decide and discuss. The film will be shown no matter how hard anyone tries to suppress it. Even if it is shown for a very short time, someone will capture it and it will spread around the world.

re: #100 rorschach

It may be a good idea, it may be a bad idea. Like I said, I remain to be persuaded. I am all for the exercise of free speech rights, but its the ACLU types who advocate the expression of 'rights' with no discussion of responsibilities. Thinking people should avoid that trap.

re: #56 bikermailman

It's already tomorrow there. Six hours ahead of me, I think.

Yep. That was my point. I don't know precisely when the show is going to start.

re: #108 bubbalouey

Disagree. The only things worth discussing are sex, religion, politics-oh and food. I just hate the threads that unwittingly pit lizards against one another for unresolveable religious differences.

re: #112 WriterMom

So a previous thread is "downstairs"? is that official, or are you just tooo damn clever? I keep thinking of them as to the right------> or to the left

re: #91 MrArchieBunkerOk, I did ding you down. You are right that with rights come responsibilities.
But if everyone is afraid to show anything for the criticism it may generate than where are we? Why would you betray (I'm assuming you're an American) all that so many millions upon millions fought for for over 200 years?
Our freedoms, as set forth in - among other places - The Bill of Rights bring with THEM, heavy responsibilities. And so many have made the ultimate sacrifice to protect those rights (and indeed the entire Constitution and America herself) that I found your statements derogatory in the extreme. IF you are so afraid to exercise those glorious rights and freedoms so many have given their all for, methinks you ought to move somewhere where that kind of "thinking" is prevalent - like, say, Europe or Canada.

re: #109 Last Mohican

Point well taken. I don't know what's in the movie.

It's supposed to be quotations from the Quoran, superimposed over pictures of their lovely activities around the world.

re: #112 WriterMom

I see it as the "Oh look, there's Stinky" thread.

LOL
I was tempted to go look for a minute there, but I've changed my mind.

A sample of my email to Network Solutions:

I would like to lodge a complaint regarding your taking down the site [Link: www.fitnathemovie.com...] This site has been registered for some time with your firm. There is a controversial film due to be released tomorrow, and your reason for taking the site down appears to be related to paragraph 10 of your TOS, yet there has been no content released on this site yet, so I don't understand how anyone could have been offended yet.

This is a free speech issue, and I am requesting you put Geert Wilder's site back up.

Thank you for your concern:

re: #116 tank22

Why not. Let the people decide and discuss. The film will be shown no matter how hard anyone tries to suppress it. Even if it is shown for a very short time, someone will capture it and it will spread around the world.

The Rolling Stones.

re: #119 WriterMom

Yup.

Ooohhhh....the Pope thread is at 666 comments as I type...lol

re: #90 realwest

thankfully we do have the 1st amendment here. also the internets, talk radio, conservative think tanks, and publishing houses getting the word out. and in spite of that we still have the fear of islam encroaching. europe is so worse off than we are tho. decades of p.c. bs. , post colonial shame, loss of religious foundation for a sense of right and wrong. they are just ripe for being jerked around by an aggressive belligerent ideology. i just hate to see the fear of islam make people act like fools.

re: #92 lawhawk "Is it possible that the Dutch government is leaning on NA" I think it's highly probable that that is the case here.
And frankly I don't care that Network Solutions is not a government agency and therefore the rights granted in the First Amendment don't apply to it; it is just plain WRONG to cave to pressure like this. Every bit as much as it was wrong for Borders to cave in, too.

re: #115 Brett_McS

That UK site is a hoax.

How can you tell?

re: #119 WriterMom

I was being factitious, I often discuss religion, but it is demonstrably a difficult thing for some folks to do without gettin' a knot in their shorts.

re: #123 gop_patriot

LOL
I was tempted to go look for a minute there, but I've changed my mind.

Haven't you seen any horror movies? DO NOT LOOK IN THE BASEMENT!

PETA will doubtless be outraged at my offense to poultry, but this is chicken.

LOL

DON'T GO DOWNSTAIRS!

[scary music reeeen reeew reeey reeeeyu]

Good Evening, again, Lizards! I think I found a secure network.

How are you-all this evening and what are we talking about?

I find it interesting that every Western government, the Chinese, and even the Russians now are dhimmified. Watching Bush and Cheney grovel in front of their paymaster, the Saudis, who apparently dictate national policy to America, and then spit on us in public is less than amusing. Rice has apparently loss her reason. Barrack wants to disarm America and abandon Israel at the request of the Reverend Wright, Hillary is allready in the pay of the Saudis. All very disturbing.

re: #134 WriterMom

I think it's good healthy debate. Makes me happy.

re: #135 ggt

Good Evening, again, Lizards! I think I found a secure network.

How are you-all this evening and what are we talking about?

How everyone who agrees with us is right, and everyone else should die.

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #134 WriterMom

OK now I have to go look, dammit. =:-X

/I know I'm going to regret this...

re: #139 gop_patriot

re: #134 WriterMom

OK now I have to go look, dammit. =:-X

/I know I'm going to regret this...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

re: #112 WriterMom

I see it as the "Oh look, there's Stinky" thread.

It got only mildly heated, and only occasionally. I've seen much harsher discourse around here on subjects far less sensitive than religion.

re: #29 MandyManners

Fuck them.

I have in my lap a solid, one-pound chocolate bunny.

w00t

WOOT!

/I love that website! 1 item a day, but always a great deal!

re: #121 realwest

I am not going soft, nor do I disrespect the sacrifices our forefathers made. My statement was degrogatory? Get serious. Thinking people can't even discuss it?

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Killgore-there probably isn't enough popcorn in all of America for you and that thread.

:P

Now-everyone wish me a big hearty Mazel Tov for staying up later than my kids. Hasn't anyone noticed I'm up late?

re: #122 bikermailman

It's supposed to be quotations from the Quoran, superimposed over pictures of their lovely activities around the world.

Hmm. Like, for example, sections of the Koran commanding Muslims to slaughter infidels, superimposed over pictures of Muslims slaughtering infidels? If that's what it is, then I see no reason why it shouldn't be shown, and it will probably be a constructive part of discussion.

If it's just 15 minutes of Wilders speaking into the camera, saying "Muslims have biologically inferior brains, and every one of them is a goat-buggering freak whom you should all go and kill immediately," then it has no legitimate value and actually should be censored, in my opinion. Although I will point out that the internet is chock full of thousands of sites that do say things like that about Jews, and nobody is taking those sites down.

re: #142 Bob in Breckenridge

WOOT!

/I love that website! 1 item a day, but always a great deal!

Go Bob!

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My goodness, what brought that on? I think "death" is way beyond the boundries.

It's actually not that bad. It could have been worse. I just don't participate in those threads.

This man is so hardcore

I was downstairs a little bit, then I left.

Hard coming in on the middle of things.

re: #147 ggt

My goodness, what brought that on? I think "death" is way beyond the boundries.

Then, uh, really painful paper cuts?

re: #149 song_and_dance_man

I'm just being silly about the Pope thread.

So-did you hear the one about the suburban Jewish Mom who walks into the Pope thread right after Purim but before Easter Sunday?

/thank you, thank you I'll be here all week

re: #146 MandyManners

Go Bob!

I'm finally starting to feel a little better after being sick for 3 days. I guess sleeping for about 18 hours a day must have helped.

/Or maybe it's all the meds I'm on. Ya think?

re: #153 WriterMom

HA!

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OK, I'd go with that.

Screw the Dhimmis, just put it on Bit torrent

re: #156 ggt

OK, I'd go with that.

then DEATH!

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

NO, NO, NO --Charles has rules about that.

By the way realwest, our forefathers not only fought for the free speech rights of Geert Wilders, but also for the right for free citizens to discuss such matters as this.

poor witta geertie

The funny thing on the down thread was that Tank had the best opening line ever. A Faved! lol

re: #159 ggt

NO, NO, NO --Charles has rules about that.

Then lemon juice in the paper cut? And the mange?

re: #154 Bob in Breckenridge

I'm finally starting to feel a little better after being sick for 3 days. I guess sleeping for about 18 hours a day must have helped.

/Or maybe it's all the meds I'm on. Ya think?

Bob, I said hello to you in that awful thread. So ya been sick?

Network Solutions is probably run by the same kind of kids who run YouTube.

Not much patriotism, not much faith, not much brains (outside of coding and marketing).

so persucuted. so hard. aww poor geertie.

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm back! And I survived. ;)

Actually, I was lurking on that thread for a little bit when it was first posted, but had to leave for Walmart to pick up some essentials (chocolate bunnies). Coming in at the end like that and scrolling up was kind of weird. LOL

Hopefully, everyone will still be on speaking terms with each other tomorrow!

re: #145 Last Mohican

Hmm. Like, for example, sections of the Koran commanding Muslims to slaughter infidels, superimposed over pictures of Muslims slaughtering infidels? If that's what it is, then I see no reason why it shouldn't be shown, and it will probably be a constructive part of discussion.

If it's just 15 minutes of Wilders speaking into the camera, saying "Muslims have biologically inferior brains, and every one of them is a goat-buggering freak whom you should all go and kill immediately," then it has no legitimate value and actually should be censored, in my opinion. Although I will point out that the internet is chock full of thousands of sites that do say things like that about Jews, and nobody is taking those sites down.

Wonderfully put.

re: #164 conservgirl

Bob, I said hello to you in that awful thread. So ya been sick?

Yeah, it's been terrible. I never, ever get sick. Which awful thread are you referring to?

re: #169 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, it's been terrible. I never, ever get sick. Which awful thread are you referring to?

The religion thread, the heated one.

re: #169 Bob in Breckenridge

YOu got that flu/virus thingy? I am soooo sorry.

Watch out, it has a tail.

re: #143 MrArchieBunker
I am very serious about defending the right to freedom of speech that so many Americans have fought and died for to protect and maintain.
And don't go getting all wishy-washy on this one; you said "Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded."
If you need to be persuaded that prior censorship of freedom of speech is a "good idea", and that "Thinking people can't even discuss it?" then it sounds to me as if you are not so sure our freedom of speech should be protected.
Say, do you by any chance work at Network Solutions or Borders?

Europe's in the Islamomicrowave. This multi-culti bullshit has got to stop. Everywhere in the western world.

The time lapse map of Europe will look like this unless they stop it.

I'll buy a copy.

re: #162 pat

The funny thing on the down thread was that Tank had the best opening line ever. A Faved! lol

Mandy didn't think so. I made a mistake. I thought the thread was about the Pope baptizing a muslim, as did many others. But the way the whole thread went, I might have been right.

All this reminds me that I bought a copy of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses because of the controversy. I never got through it.
Sometimes, not making a stink about something is more effective.
The TV show Married with Children was going to be cancelled due to poor ratings until some woman got upset over it and tried to have it cancelled. People watched it to see what the stink was about, found it funny, and the ratings skyrocketed. If she had shut up, she would have had her way - instead, she got the opposite effect.
So, Muslims, go ahead and make these films controversial. People will watch them and learn the truth.

re: #167 gop_patriot

I'm back! And I survived. ;)

Actually, I was lurking on that thread for a little bit when it was first posted, but had to leave for Walmart to pick up some essentials (chocolate bunnies). Coming in at the end like that and scrolling up was kind of weird. LOL

Hopefully, everyone will still be on speaking terms with each other tomorrow!

How is Arkansas?

My inlaws have been going to the Uof Arkansas for the last couple of years. Father in law has Multiple Myeloma, take comfort in knowing that the medical center is wonderful and they specialize in that type of cancer. Sam Walton had that type and donated a bunch of money. Meant to tell you that the other day but forgot.

re: #176 Kosh's Shadow

All this reminds me that I bought a copy of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses because of the controversy. I never got through it.
Sometimes, not making a stink about something is more effective.
The TV show Married with Children was going to be cancelled due to poor ratings until some woman got upset over it and tried to have it cancelled. People watched it to see what the stink was about, found it funny, and the ratings skyrocketed. If she had shut up, she would have had her way - instead, she got the opposite effect.
So, Muslims, go ahead and make these films controversial. People will watch them and learn the truth.

i don't think i've ever heard of a single person actually finishing that book

re: #172 realwest

Speaking of our Freedoms. Tomorrow my family and I will tour the site of the Gettysburg Battle & enjoy Easter Brunch in the town.

The POTUS radio address today was especially nice, IMHO.

Regardless of anyone's personal faith, I think we can all realize the sacrafice of our soldiers and say a prayer for their safety.

re: #145 Last Mohican
With all due respect to you, you may think it has
"no legitimate value and actually should be censored, in my opinion." But, again, the problem with prior censorship of speech is that no one gets to see whether or not the film has any legitimate value, because Network Solutions has received complaints from no one who has ever seen it and Network Solutions has decided neither you nor I should see it either.

re: #176 Kosh's Shadow

I buy a copy everytime I hear they issued another fatwa against him. Never read one (yet --I have a PILE of books).

re: #170 conservgirl

The religion thread, the heated one.

Oh, I avoided that one. Well ok, I read the first few comments, then decided to move on. Honestly, that stuff bores me. If anyone wants to pray for me, go ahead, even if I don't agree with their prayer. But at least I know the Pope won't force to convert or kill me if I don't. So whatever floats his boat...

re: #175 tank22

Oh. I knew from when the gun went off. lol

re: #177 conservgirl

I didn't know that, thank you! But my husband's cousin was treated for an illness there and said that the care was excellent. Hope that your father in law is doing well.

re: #179 ggt

Speaking of our Freedoms. Tomorrow my family and I will tour the site of the Gettysburg Battle & enjoy Easter Brunch in the town.

The POTUS radio address today was especially nice, IMHO.

Regardless of anyone's personal faith, I think we can all realize the sacrafice of our soldiers and say a prayer for their safety.

Amen.

re: #150 USASupport Uh, which man?

re: #150 USASupport

This man is so hardcore

I disagree. Have you seen his 2-part interview in the sidelinks?

re: #171 ggt

YOu got that flu/virus thingy? I am soooo sorry.

Watch out, it has a tail.

Thanks. I was talking last week at the store with people who had it. They say it goes away, they think they're fine, then BAM!, it's back, kinda like John McCain.

re: #188 Bob in Breckenridge

It's the fatigue that got me. UGH

I think it's gone now.

re: #184 gop_patriot

He's in remission thank the Lord. They have the foremost expert in Multiple Myeloma in the world, Dr.Barlogie. I think that is remarkable, not sure if the rest of the programs are as good, but it's nice to know there is a great hospital near by.

Watching SciFi and reading Scientific American at the same time is confusing. The movie may be more correct. lol

re: #180 realwest

prior restraint, prior censorship . . .

I know I sound like a broken record, the 2nd Amendment will be the first to go --then the 1st.

re: #190 conservgirl

He's in remission thank the Lord. They have the foremost expert in Multiple Myeloma in the world, Dr.Barlogie. I think that is remarkable, not sure if the rest of the programs are as good, but it's nice to know there is a great hospital near by.

It is remarkable!

/IN ARKANSAS?

J/K!

re: #172 realwest

Relax realwest, seriously. I do NOT approve of prior censorship. Governments censor, not web hosting companies (those are called decisions). The movie will find its way to the web one way or another. Last Mohican hit the nail on the head when they said... " somehow I get the feeling that it may be a low-budget hatchet job that only has the effect of embarrassing people who legitimately criticize Islamic extremism. " I see my original comment turned into a ding-down fest, which I expected.

re: #160 MrArchieBunker
With all due respect, our forefathers fought for our rights to freedom of speech and in that regard you are correct that we have the freedom to discuss whether or not PRIOR CENSORSHIP should have any place in American Society. I never said they did. What I said was that you would question the right of someone to show a film AT ALL (i.e., prior censorship) is indicative of your lack of appreciation of our rights to freedom of speech and the sacrifices made by so many to preserve that - and other precious rights - right.
And you'll notice that the worst thing that happened to you was I was a "meanie" and posted to you and dinged you down. I didn't try to prevent you from speaking but only responded to what you said.
Rights and responsiblities can't be discussed by thinnking people if those thinking people don't believe in those rights in the first place.

re: #188 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks. I was talking last week at the store with people who had it. They say it goes away, they think they're fine, then BAM!, it's back, kinda like John McCain.

haha!
I think that might be what I have had. I hurt all over. Even my hair hurt.

re: #189 ggt

It's the fatigue that got me. UGH

I think it's gone now.

Yeah, I woke up and it was like I hadn't slept at all. And that was the morning after the night I decided not to drink. There might be a lesson in there somewhere! : )

re: #192 ggt

Don't you know? 'The Press" refers to all the presses. If you are not a consensus press, then you have no right to publish. We are now learning the Constitution only protects collective rights. Judge Breyer.

need to hack one of those sites that show the beheadings and post it there

Issuing a fatwa as we speak for this thought crime.

Allah Rocks!

Beeyotches.

/

re: #192 ggt

prior restraint, prior censorship . . .

I know I sound like a broken record, the 2nd Amendment will be the first to go --then the 1st.

People who think the religious "argument" in the prior thread is "heated" should have hung out on talk.politics.guns when Slick Willie and his native bearers were out hunting the Second Amendment on an eight-year safari.

Frickin' Sunday School picnic in comparison.

re: #193 Bob in Breckenridge

It is remarkable!

/IN ARKANSAS?

J/K!

You know the man who was in Jaws, the sheriff(why can't I remember his name?) and 2000 Space Odysey, he was in Arkansas recently when he died, at the medical center. He had Myeloma, so did Peter Boyles from Everybody Loves Raymond, the father. I think he was in Arkansas too. They are the premier hospital for Myeloma in the WORLD. It really is amazing. Courtesy of Wal-Mart, Sam Walton.

re: #198 pat

Don't you know? 'The Press" refers to all the presses. If you are not a consensus press, then you have no right to publish. We are now learning the Constitution only protects collective rights. Judge Breyer.

Pat- Did you hear Scalia slam Breyer's stupidty re the DC 2nd amendment case? It was a classic!

wilders film should be shown irrespective of whether it's offensive or not. who is guaranteed the right to not be offended. that's not even the real reason. it's abt. cowards putting off the inevitable. at some point we're going to have to offend the moslems. at least those of us who don't want to put on the burqa. i say offend them now. how could wilders film even be problem really. just compare it to the head chopping videos the savages put out.

re: #179 ggt Indeed we can - assuming of course thinking people think we have religous freedom.
Have a Happy Easter!

re: #203 Bob in Breckenridge

Pat- Did you hear Scalia slam Breyer's stupidty re the DC 2nd amendment case? It was a classic!

Missed it, but I did hear the Queen of the Damned (Bader-Ginsburg) put in her two rubles' worth at one point. Ack.

re: #202 conservgirl

You know the man who was in Jaws, the sheriff(why can't I remember his name?) and 2000 Space Odysey, he was in Arkansas recently when he died, at the medical center. He had Myeloma, so did Peter Boyles from Everybody Loves Raymond, the father. I think he was in Arkansas too. They are the premier hospital for Myeloma in the WORLD. It really is amazing. Courtesy of Wal-Mart, Sam Walton.

That must be why liberals hate Wal-Mart. It's not the government that funds the hospital, it's Walton's money.

re: #195 realwest

Relax my friend, seriously. Life is too short, and I'm not the enemy.

re: #204 nyc redneck

wilders film should be shown irrespective of whether it's offensive or not. who is guaranteed the right to not be offended. that's not even the real reason. it's abt. cowards putting off the inevitable. at some point we're going to have to offend the moslems. at least those of us who don't want to put on the burqa. i say offend them now. how could wilders film even be problem really. just compare it to the head chopping videos the savages put out.

My guess is, the OIC's recent proclaimation that they were going to take legal action against 'islamophobia' is in effect. This is the first shot in the newest battle.

re: #206 OldLineTexan

Missed it, but I did hear the Queen of the Damned (Bader-Ginsburg) put in her two rubles' worth at one point. Ack.

Breyer said "Washington D.C. has the highest murder rate in the country", to which Scalia said "Seems to me that would be a good reason to be armed". Touche!

re: #190 conservgirl

Wonderful! I will pray that he stays healthy. :)

re: #210 Bob in Breckenridge

Breyer said "Washington D.C. has the highest murder rate in the country", to which Scalia said "Seems to me that would be a good reason to be armed". Touche!

I feel I should send him a cigar. Excellent.

re: #211 gop_patriot

Wonderful! I will pray that he stays healthy. :)

Thank you. It really is a miracle, he has bone marrow cancer and it was in his bones. but he is now in remission and doing so well.

re: #210 Bob in Breckenridge

Breyer said "Washington D.C. has the highest murder rate in the country", to which Scalia said "Seems to me that would be a good reason to be armed". Touche!

I would just love to see a test: Allow everyone to carry in D.C. just to see if the crime rate goes up, or comes down. Not sure it could go higher.

re: #210 Bob in Breckenridge

What was the outcome on Tuesday? How did I miss that?!?

No one I know has actually seen the movie and reviewed it. Lets talk then realwest. On that hopefully we can agree.

re: #205 realwest

Indeed we can - assuming of course thinking people think we have religous freedom.
Have a Happy Easter!

You eating easter ham real?

Duh

The MSM continues to crack me up.

Time for me to get some sleeps, couple things before I go:

It's "Network Solutions", it's not "Network Associates", who make McAffee antivirus

parting tune dedicated to Network Solutions

re: #203 Bob in Breckenridge

Pat- Did you hear Scalia slam Breyer's stupidty re the DC 2nd amendment case? It was a classic!

No. But I am terribly afraid that we are losing our Constitution. The Kelo decision, the medical marijuana decision that the Governors caved to, now the guns. We are in a transformation not seen since the civil war. We have Justices that may be senile, a pervert, and one who may be insane. Breyer clearly thinks his shallow Liberal ponderings are more than silly fluff.

Good Night all--have to be at the battlefield bright and early.

Happy Easter.

re: #215 gop_patriot

What was the outcome on Tuesday? How did I miss that?!?

I'm not sure what you mean. What outcome?

Bye ggt! Happy easter!

re: #204 nyc redneck
"wilders film should be shown irrespective of whether it's offensive or not" precisely and well said.The other problem though, as I've repeated like a broken record is "prior censorship" - we've had that here with the Hays commission (which was supposed to pre-screen all movies and decide on whether or not the movie should be shown at all) and of course with private companies. Private companies are not bound by the Bill of Rights - they can prohibit your right to carry a handgun at work, even though you have a valid, government issued, CCW permit; they can search your locker and indeed even put spycams in locker rooms and thereby violate what would otherwise be your protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.
And I personally think that is right. Our founding fathers believed it restraining government from screwing with us as to certain rights, not private industry. That doesn't mean, however, that private industry is or should be exempt from receiving complaints or boycotts of their goods and/or services if enough people think their decision is wrong.

Their server, their rules. That's what all the anti-spam people say all the time. And the Antispam people are right. It is Networks Solution's server, they can do what ever they want.

And, I, for one, will never use their services if I can avoid it.

Now, if they start dicking with the DNS entry after he (wisely) moves to another server, well, that's a whole other issue, one that I suspect they will not take.

Well, yes, hum

If the film turns out to be worthwhile I'm planning to buy a spindle of 50 blank DVD-R's and make copies to distribute among friends and acquaintances who aren't already aware of the islamization of Europe and the plans Islam has for the rest of the world.

re: #208 MrArchieBunker
Yes indeed, Life is too short and shorter for some of us than for others. You may not be MY enemy, but if you do believe that thinking people ought to be able to discuss whether or not Prior Censorship is correct, then you are not exactly my friend, either.

re: #220 pat

No. But I am terribly afraid that we are losing our Constitution. The Kelo decision, the medical marijuana decision that the Governors caved to, now the guns. We are in a transformation not seen since the civil war. We have Justices that may be senile, a pervert, and one who may be insane. Breyer clearly thinks his shallow Liberal ponderings are more than silly fluff.

That's why it's so important that McCain win. Clinton or Obama would be a disaster re Judges- More Bader-Gunsburgs and Breyers. And heaven forbid the Dummycraps control all 3 branches. It'll be a revolving door.

re: #222 Bob in Breckenridge

What y'all were talking about, the Supreme Court and the 2nd Amendment; wasn't there a decision or hearing (sorry, I can't think of the correct term right now. lol have a headache) on Tuesday?

re: #210 Bob in Breckenridge Yeah, there are times when I think a number of SCOTUS Justices are just, well, out there. Had Breyer bothered to check the statistics, he would have found that that admittedly insanely high gun murder rate was mostly committed by people with illegal firearms!

Shoot, I used to like NetSol. Sigh...

Even got invited to the retirement party for Jim Rutt. Good party, right after the .com implosion, in spring of 2001. They were a real company then...

re: #224 realwest

In general, private industry should be exempt from supporting speech they don't agree with, but not in all cases.

We wouldn't want, for example, the phone company deciding what you could talk about, or the cable TV company deciding they would not allow shows with a certain political viewpoint.

In the day of the Internet, Network Solutions is in that type of position. And, since they are a US based company, they should be required to accept all registrations allowed by US law.

They could be free to refuse "MethLabsRUs", but they should be required to accept different religious viewpoints. Would they ban a web site for Monty Python's Life of Brian, for example?

re: #190 conservgirl What is "Multiple Myeloma" - some form of bone cancer? And I'm VERY HAPPY to hear that he's in remission.

re: #210 Bob in Breckenridge

Breyer said "Washington D.C. has the highest murder rate in the country", to which Scalia said "Seems to me that would be a good reason to be armed". Touche!

A reasonable response would have been 'and how has it been driven down by the 30 year ban on guns?' I do like Scalia's response though.. :D

Network Solutions has the reputation of not bothering to do anything about the domains of spammers. Hypocritical.

Here is the movie URL...

[Link: www.themoviefitna.com...]

re: #230 gop_patriot That was oral arguments in the case. The decision probably won't be reached until June.

re: #230 gop_patriot

What y'all were talking about, the Supreme Court and the 2nd Amendment; wasn't there a decision or hearing (sorry, I can't think of the correct term right now. lol have a headache) on Tuesday?

It's still going on as far as I know. There won't be a ruling until this fall. But from what I'm reading from those who are there and listening to the questioning, it's unlikely the handgun ban will be upheld, whcih will be a good thing.

re: #216 MrArchieBunker
We can certainly agree (or disagree, I suppose) about the merits of the film IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO SEE IT is all I've been trying to say!

re: #231 realwest

Yeah, there are times when I think a number of SCOTUS Justices are just, well, out there. Had Breyer bothered to check the statistics, he would have found that that admittedly insanely high gun murder rate was mostly committed by people with illegal firearms!

It's like when Australia banned guns a few years ago. The only ones who turned them in were law-abiding citizens, not the crooks.

re: #230 gop_patriot

What y'all were talking about, the Supreme Court and the 2nd Amendment; wasn't there a decision or hearing (sorry, I can't think of the correct term right now. lol have a headache) on Tuesday?

They heard the case Tuesday. There won't be a ruling til summer. They hear cases in the winter and spring, then release the rulings in a flurry in the summer before their break.

re: #214 Racer X

I would just love to see a test: Allow everyone to carry in D.C. just to see if the crime rate goes up, or comes down. Not sure it could go higher.

I think it would go down and fast. Who in their right mind starts a fight with an armed man? vs picking on the unarmed?

re: #217 conservgirl
LOL! No, actually our tradition for Easter is Turkey (for some reason waaaay back in the realwest family history one "patriarch" couldn't stomach Ham, literally - it made him sick! And I'm not fond of Ham or other pork products myself!
How's about you - you having Ham?

Breyer is the Ted Kennedy of the SCOTUS, A simpleton thrust well beyond his abilities that will destroy all around him to justify his mistaken elevation to prominence.

re: #237 Peter_P

Thanks Peter!

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So a previous thread is "downstairs"? is that official, or are you just tooo damn clever? I keep thinking of them as to the right------> or to the left

Before Charles put in the new navigation controls at the top and bottom of each thread so one could move "right" or "left" the only way to move from thread to thread was to move "up" or "down". So the old Lizards around here will still say that they are moving "up" or "down" to get to where they are going.

re: #238 realwest

re: #239 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #242 bikermailman

Thank you! :) I felt like a dork for asking, but I've been sick and really didn't pay much attention to the news this week, except for what Charles posted here at LGF. I knew *something* was happening but never got further than that.

re: #248 gop_patriot

re: #239 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #242 bikermailman

Thank you! :) I felt like a dork for asking, but I've been sick and really didn't pay much attention to the news this week, except for what Charles posted here at LGF. I knew *something* was happening but never got further than that.

Sorry you had that crap. I had a bout of it last month, took me weeks to get the last of the cough out of my lungs.

re: #249 bikermailman

Sorry you had that crap. I had a bout of it last month, took me weeks to get the last of the cough out of my lungs.

Yep. I don't ache quite so much now, but every time I cough, my head almost explodes. OUCH lol

/you have a great blog, btw. :)

What is all this garbage about rights going with responsibilities?

The United States constitution, first ammendment, does not make any mention of "responsibilities" we must exercise in return for our right of free speech.

My freedom of speech, for which many, many good people have fought and died, is not subject to rules and regulations. That is what makes it "free". As opposed to regulated speech. Or speech that is okay as long as it doesn't offend someone. Or speech that meets anyone else's definition of acceptable.

When we let the Nazis march in Skokie, it was disgusting, but it reaffirmed that there are NO restrictions on people saying what they want to say. We have paid a heavy price as a country, over the centuries, to uphold important principles of individual rights which other individuals or governments do not have the right to take away from us, for any reason, based on any standard or set of rules, including whether these rights are used "responsibly".

Europeans do not understand this, but we Americans should know better. We have much more at stake. Europe is going the way of the pteradactyl, but the US is going to survive, and it is up to us to bring our heritage of genuine, authentic individual freedom into the future.

re: #250 gop_patriot

Yep. I don't ache quite so much now, but every time I cough, my head almost explodes. OUCH lol

/you have a great blog, btw. :)

Thank you....I need to do some posting tomorrow, been lazy for a couple of days.

re: #251 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

What is all this garbage about rights going with responsibilities?

The United States constitution, first ammendment, does not make any mention of "responsibilities" we must exercise in return for our right of free speech.

My freedom of speech, for which many, many good people have fought and died, is not subject to rules and regulations. That is what makes it "free". As opposed to regulated speech. Or speech that is okay as long as it doesn't offend someone. Or speech that meets anyone else's definition of acceptable.

When we let the Nazis march in Skokie, it was disgusting, but it reaffirmed that there are NO restrictions on people saying what they want to say. We have paid a heavy price as a country, over the centuries, to uphold important principles of individual rights which other individuals or governments do not have the right to take away from us, for any reason, based on any standard or set of rules, including whether these rights are used "responsibly".

Europeans do not understand this, but we Americans should know better. We have much more at stake. Europe is going the way of the pteradactyl, but the US is going to survive, and it is up to us to bring our heritage of genuine, authentic individual freedom into the future.

FYI, the nazis never did march in Skokie.

re: #251 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

What is all this garbage about rights going with responsibilities?

The United States constitution, first ammendment, does not make any mention of "responsibilities" we must exercise in return for our right of free speech.

My freedom of speech, for which many, many good people have fought and died, is not subject to rules and regulations. That is what makes it "free". As opposed to regulated speech. Or speech that is okay as long as it doesn't offend someone. Or speech that meets anyone else's definition of acceptable.

When we let the Nazis march in Skokie, it was disgusting, but it reaffirmed that there are NO restrictions on people saying what they want to say. We have paid a heavy price as a country, over the centuries, to uphold important principles of individual rights which other individuals or governments do not have the right to take away from us, for any reason, based on any standard or set of rules, including whether these rights are used "responsibly".

Europeans do not understand this, but we Americans should know better. We have much more at stake. Europe is going the way of the pteradactyl, but the US is going to survive, and it is up to us to bring our heritage of genuine, authentic individual freedom into the future.

Excellent comment. (great name too!) The big problem here, is that this is a private company, they can do what they wish. The First Amendment specifically related to the State and shutting down speech. That's why this isn't censorship.

Doesn't mean we don't email, call, change hosting services, put information on our blogs. That is our right, as it's their right to not host something they don't want to. I provided email and phone contact info upthread.

re: #233 Kosh's Shadow
Hey my friend - that's a thorny issue, no two ways about it. No I don't think the phone company should censor what you say or hear over the phone or the other examples you cited. The problem is WHO makes the decisions. For our Founding Fathers that was relatively easy: THE enemy of free speech had been the British Government. And I would suppose that they figured if you didn't like what an employers rules were, you could quit working for them
But the examples you cited are difficult, no two ways about it. I just come down on the side of private industry since I believe in competition; the founding fathers figured elections would do the trick or the Supreme Court.
And while they'd ban Monty Python at the risk of losing lots of money, they theoretically could do it.
But saying they shouldn't be allowed is sorta saying full employment for lawyers. I mean the lawsuits would be flying like mad over some shit. And suppose your cable TV company refuses to show "those" kinds of "films" (If you believe, as I obviously do, that film is an exercise of Free Speech)? That's where competition in the free market is supposed to hold sway - if enough folks want to see "those films" on cable TV, they can switch to another cable company or Satellite or whatever - at least in theory.
Still and all, I think the potentially BIGGEST loser of all is the Internet and that truly means EVERYBODY comes out a loser. I don't particularly care for porn sites, and certainly not Islamic or any other sorta "beheading video" type sites, but it is MY choice to go there or not. And it should remain that way.
Lord knows I have serious doubts about our freedoms on the Internet once the damn politicians get their grubby little mitts on it.
Sorry if I didn't answer your question, but if I didn't I reckon it's cause I don't have an answer!

re: #253 Bob in Breckenridge

They went somewhere nearby, IIRC?

re: #235 bikermailman
LOL! I actually like your response better!

I just called Network Solutions to say the movie should be shown.

333 264 4730

They have gotten so many calls to drop the movie. They need to hear from those who think otherwise. They said my input has been noted and they will respond w/i 24 hours.

thanks to 29Victor for the English site.

re: #251 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

Thats the type of thinking that says its acceptable for NAMBLA to publish instructions on how to seduce children. Sorry, no sale. Having said that, I'm watching Fitna, its compelling and well done.

re: #256 bikermailman

They went somewhere nearby, IIRC?

Lafayette Park in Chicago- Remember the scene in the Blues Brothers where Belushi goes "I hate Illinois Nazis!"? That's where they got that idea.

re: #243 JeremyR I'm wondering if anyone (hello NRA) has actually done a study on that. That is, is the gun murder rate lower in states where access to firearms is fairly easy than in states where access to firearms is extremely difficult?
And, of course, if we had a jurisdiction that previously disallowed or made it extremely difficult to legally obtatain firearms and then changed to make it fairly easy, was the firearm murder rate higher or lower after the change-over?

re: #245 pat LOL! Well if Breyer is the Ted Kennedy of SCOTUS who is Ruth Bader-Ginsburg?

re: #91 MrArchieBunker

Is releasing this movie a good idea? I remain to be persuaded. With rights come responsibilities, we should never forget that. Just a little food for thought....ding me down if you must.

Dude.

You are scaring me.

This site, LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS, is deemed offensive to the extremists of Islam, the same who are offended by teddy bears, cartoons, and Pooh's friend, Piglet.

The RESPONSIBILITY attendant to the right of freedom is speech is to protect it, not to squash it because of the intolerance of aggressors.

I hope you were kidding. The real Archie Bunker would not blame the messenger.

re: #260 Bob in Breckenridge

Marquette Park. Sorry.

re: #260 Bob in Breckenridge

Lafayette Park in Chicago- Remember the scene in the Blues Brothers where Belushi goes "I hate Illinois Nazis!"? That's where they got that idea.

Yeah, that's right. Love that scene, driving through the b**tards. :D

re: #262 realwest

LOL! Well if Breyer is the Ted Kennedy of SCOTUS who is Ruth Bader-Ginsburg?

Palomino, of course!

re: #16 kaitian868

Talk about timing. I was using the whois for a domain I was looking into purchasing which Network Solution whois database said no one owned it. Then I went to GoDaddy and apparently the domain was taken. I looked up who it was and guess what, it was registered to Network Solution as of today. Cheap tactic to get more money out of me.

They did the same thing to me. They are basically registering whatever name anyone searches on their site. They can hold the name for 5 days without paying for it due to some type of grace period or something. Even when the 5 days are up you still may not get the name you wanted.

re: #231 realwest
Yeah, there are times when I think a number of SCOTUS Justices are just, well, out there. Had Breyer bothered to check the statistics, he would have found that that admittedly insanely high gun murder rate was mostly committed by people with illegal firearms!

re: #241 Bob in Breckenridge
It's like when Australia banned guns a few years ago. The only ones who turned them in were law-abiding citizens, not the crooks.

If that day ever comes here, there will be a lot of law-abiding citizens that will on that day become Outlaws!

re: #251 find your violent jihadi on ebay! Well I certainly sympathize with your point of view and it is mine as well, but it isn't the law here, believe it or not! Back in the bad days of the Warren Court, they had several decisons concerning libel, slander and freedom of the Press that would make your hair stand on end.
But thank you for giving me this lead in: My favorite all time Supreme Court Justice was Hugo Black. The VERY FIRST freedom of speech case that the Supreme Court heard resulted in a limitation on total freedom of speech and Mr. Justice Black dissented saying, in effect "I don't know what my brethern on this court could possibly be thinking. The constitution says, in the First Amendment thereto, that "Congress shall make NO LAWS abridging ....." not SOME LAWS and that marvelously written document is not so unclear that it requires judicial interpretation. Congress shall make no law. PERIOD."
And in every single free speech issue that came before the Supreme Court he was always dissenting and would do so by simply sayin "See my dissent in the xyz case."
Mr. Juststice Black was a true American Hero. It's unfortunate that so few Americans ever heard of him.