Keep it coming, Hollywood. I love to see you lose money.

It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.

What, now they think they're psychic or something?

Surefire Blockbuster Movie.
Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10

If anyone in Hollywood is interested in making a bundle that is.

Have they ever considered the possibility that the marketplace doesn’t want Hollywood’s tedious left-wing anti-American self-hating bias shoved down its throat?

No.

you mean nobody wants to watch a movie that portrays the American solder as a rapist or whack out mental killer? who knew?

/peace dorks don't work so they cant afford the movies anyway

Meanwhile, back at the Film Actors' Guild....

Im sure the same critics who raved about Bareback Mountain, raved about this movie too.

When will they learn?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #4 jcm

Surefire Blockbuster Movie.
Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10

If anyone in Hollywood is interested in making a bundle that is.

Someone is doing it. There is an empty IMDB page for it.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Part of this is ingrained, hate-Americanism of self-loathing Hollywood Reds.
The other part is producing propaganda movies that will make money overseas where their fellow travelers' euros are a welcomed tithe to the cause.

Media=The Enemy.

Although the drama from MTV Films was the best-reviewed movie opening this weekend...

Heh^TM. I think I'll take in Vantage Point at the dollar cinema.

If they made a pro american movie it would make 200 million dollars, but no keep making these anti war turkeys.

And i will continue to not go see them

In answer to your question Charlie, no, they cannot conceive of a country that would not agree with their left-wing view of the world. Anyone who wouldn't agree is either "not ready" or "stupid".

Best way to show them is to hit their wallets. Way to go, America!

re: #11 Sol Roth

Part of this is ingrained, hate-Americanism of self-loathing Hollywood Reds.
The other part is producing propaganda movies that will make money overseas where their fellow travelers' euros are a welcomed tithe to the cause.

Media=The Enemy.

I'd forgotten about that market.

re: #12 RedWhiteAndJew

i think ill watch black hawk down for the 40th time.

The reviewer on NPR (just yesterday morning) positively gushed about "Stop Loss", practically guaranteeing it would tank...

Evidently not, Charles.

Have they ever considered the possibility that the marketplace doesn’t want Hollywood’s tedious left-wing anti-American self-hating bias shoved down its throat?

So far it hasn't seemed to phase them. I believe they are counting on overseas revenue from the America-hating world.

hollywood is so entrenched in anti-americanism it has out stripped greed as a motivating factor.
that is some kind of dedication.

saw Stop-loss last night. excellent film. President Bush should be ashamed of himself.
Comment by Debra — March 29, 2008 @ 6:36 am

It's only good if you think it's real.

re: #5 savage_nation

Wow, that sounds like a great story...

Must read. It left me awestruck.

I have recently seen some Hollywood classics including The Best Years of Our Lives and Mrs Miniver. They used to know how to tell a story that made you feel good about fighting fascism. Our soldiers were heroes. People that despised them were villains. What a shift in world views. Iraq is not Vietnam. They could make a ton of money by showing movies where we killed terrorist scum.

No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off.

Here's a crazy idea- try focusing on a good story. And if you guys want to get really crazy- you could focus on a pro-American story. Why, it's so crazy- it might just work!

It's great to see Hollywood lefties blowing their wads on these anti-American films no one wants to see. They could be pouring this money into 527s like MoveOn, etc, and doing some real damage. So keep the flicks coming...!

re: #10 zmdavid

Someone is doing it. There is an empty IMDB page for it.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Think I go get in line now ;-P
That's great.

Or you've got Michael Yon's dispatches from Mosul, Gates of Fire, I believe he named them. When the unit got back to the US they had a homecoming, Bruce Willis was a respectful attendee. I had hopes. Some many heroic stories and accomplishments, they would clean up at the box office if they even did them in a mediocre fashion. How about the Sparta movie, The 300. Made about 10 times what they expected. Americans want and love our heros.

re: #10 zmdavid

Someone is doing it. There is an empty IMDB page for it.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Knowing Paliwood, they will turn it into anti-war diatribe with a female as the hero. I don't remember the name of the movie, but Mel Gibson directed and starred in a pretty good Viet Nam war movie 5-6 years ago, and it made money. That was about the last time Hollywood made a non-anti-war movie....

If they ever do make a really good pro-American movie I sure hope they don't have any of the anti-American wacko's in it because then I'm going to have to decide if I want to see the movie and put some of my hard earned dollars into the pockets of raving leftists. I'll probably wait until it's out on satellite rather than give them any money.

Rule #1 of film making is "make something people might enjoy seeing," and rule #2 should be "don't blame the audience for your sucky film."

I do hope these lefty types make more big-budget crap, as I enjoy seeing their money flushed down the toilet.

Is it just me, or are thing just swell? I mean, all these Democrat scandals, the Hillary-Obama slug fest, lib movies failing at the box office . . . I'm just giddy!

If they make a pro-war movie, it'd get tanked so hard by Hollywood reviewers that people wouldn't see it anyway.

/Mmm, reality.

re: #28 LoFlyer

we were soldiers, thought it was meh.

I know people in that business, and unfortunately for me, I have to hear their angry spew often. They do not consider the idea that no one wants to hear it. Instead, as is true with New Yorkers, they believe that their world is the center of the Universe, and they are convince, as a friend said to me the other day, "Everyone hates George Bush and America."

re: #8 Macker

Meanwhile, back at the Film Actors' Guild....

"Maaaaat Daaaaaamon!"

re: #15 MandyManners

We can't forget that the Red Diaper Babies will sellout to advance collectivism.

To Wit: The Cox Report.

Right. It’s “a function of the marketplace not being ready.”

There's a parallel in the bicycle business. Moonbats are trying to get non-cyclists to take up cycling because they hate cars. They even designed a bike just for non-cyclists. (Smart, huh?) Trouble is, the cyclists who work in bike shops can't bring themselves to sell it. The solution? Re-education camps!

“A first-time customer doesn’t know if a $500 or $600 bike is a bad value until they are told so. The problem is that sales staff have a hard time selling a bike they don’t really believe in,” said Kegel.

Shimano is currently mailing out a dealer training kit to overcome staff resistance. The self-contained, one-hour training package includes an updated Coasting DVD, teacher and student materials. Shimano is supporting that effort with an online testing component and a new Web site, [Link: www.sellingcoasting.com....]

Harold and Kumar go to Guantanamo Bay

GIVE ME A BREAK

Bush is not running for relection moonbats.

Whatever happened to give the audience what it wants? Wasn't that was Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer was so good at in the heyday of H'wood? They've gone from entertainment to pontificating. They want to lecture us on our politics, religion and sexual persuasions. Nothing is too far out, too left or too violent for Hollywood. Scarlett Johannsen prides herself in being tested for AIDS every six months, while we're just downright stupid for being monogamous. While no drug whether prescription or illicit is turned away, we are harangued about eating french fries. They fly thither and yon in private jets, while we're supposed to sit in the dark using one poisonous, mercury-filled CFL bulb lit just so we can see our miserable countenances. A more loathsome and pathetic community can hardly be conceived of--heck you don't need a writer to come up with it, the thing will write itself.

The only pro war on terror movie I can think of recently is Team America.

And it made a mint.

re: #39 jemima

I haven't paid to see a movie in 5 years. And when i do go its for free because my brother works at the theater.

re: #40 E tan e epi tan

The only pro war on terror movie I can think of recently is Team America.

And it made a mint.

Not to mention the fact that it mercilessly ridiculed Hollywood leftists.

“No one wants to see Iraq war movies."

No, no one wants to see your version of "Iraq war movies". Americans have grown tired of seeing our fighting men being portrayed as spoiled little punks who think they are above fulfilling the contract they've signed, while rising to prominence as some kind of "hero" in their fictional home town.
When I enlisted, the clause in my contract was, 4 years active, and 2 years on reserve. The Navy could have extended my active service at anytime to fulfill my total 6 years, and I would have been legally (and morally) bound to honor that contract. The premise of this movie stinks.
It's all such BS.

I am so looking forward to not going!
/Chandler Bing

Its like playing basketball with a retarded kid, these dumb ass movie executives. Or like a bad Carlos Mencia skit

We're losing money hand over foot, no one wants to see our movies
So what should we do?
Make an anti-war movie that shows America how their soldiers suck
But no movie like that has done well
It doesn't matter, we want to be politically active and show these hicks that they're wrong
Why don't we make money instead
Stop being such a greedy fascist, we care about the people!

I was happy that all hte anti-war movies kept bombing because sooner or later I'd hoped that the studios' business sense would mean they'd stop making them. Unfortunately they don't care, they keep chugging them out, so another anti-war movie bombing doesn't make me happy any more.

I just don't understand, the San Francisco Chronicle gave it a stellar review...

The Little Man is applauding wildly.

re: #39 jemima

Obviously you don't understand your position as a global serf and the need to allow our superiors certain perks because they're so important to world "progress".

Wasn't it L.B. Mayer of Metro Goldwyn Mayer that said "if you want to send a message use Western Union"?

re: #45 rawmuse

I'd swear not only are they lying during these movie reviews, because I can't imagine these guys found movies like this to be entertaining, but they have to go so thick and heavy on the BS its like heavy whipping cream

I haven't been inside a theater to see a newly-released movie in over five years, and with dreck like this coming out, the string will get longer...
The Best Years of Our Lives is one of the best movies ever made, IMHO.

Have they ever considered the possibility that the marketplace doesn’t want Hollywood’s tedious left-wing anti-American self-hating bias shoved down its throat?

NO

There are a lot of films and shows I won't watch because of their "message". All of the recent Hollywood war films for several. What is the point of seeing these films? War is bad, US is bad, whites are racist, stupid, greedy, and bad.

Sure, the US has done bad things. But the US didn't exterminate Indians the way the British and French did.
The US didn't start slavery, nor did the British. It was the Arabs, mostly Muslims. Nor did Muslims stop slavery, it was the British and the US.

And of course it was the Democratic party that instituted Jim Crow laws and institutionalized separate but equal in the Southern US.

I don't mind reading books and blogging. And as TV and Hollywood loose money others will change and make different films and shows.

Well I saw those trailers for Stop Loss and lets say their 'hero' came across as an adolescent. Like "They can't keep me in!" *sniff* "I did my tour!" *sob* "Now I want out!" *whine* Meanwhile you are being assaulted by his face and this gruesome scar that runs across his forehead. Hey Hollywood, can you be a bit more unsublte? What next, Tom Cruise will wheel around in a wheelchair to tell this guy about being born on the Fourth of July?

I think I will go see Leslie Nielsen's new movie called the Superhero Movie. It will obviously have better acting standards and writing than this MTV agit-prop.

Sure wish I was part of that film syndicate!
/moonbat investor

Well, Peter Suderman at National Review Online says it's a pretty nifty film...

But I don't plan on seeing it.

If people don't want to go to the picture, nobody can stop them.
Samuel Goldwyn

re: #44 defector01

Its like playing basketball with a retarded kid, these dumb ass movie executives. Or like a bad Carlos Mencia skit

We're losing money hand over foot, no one wants to see our movies
So what should we do?
Make an anti-war movie that shows America how their soldiers suck
But no movie like that has done well
It doesn't matter, we want to be politically active and show these hicks that they're wrong
Why don't we make money instead
Stop being such a greedy fascist, we care about the people!
Besides, everyone we know is against this war, so there must be a huge market for this movie out there.

There, fixed that for ya.

This movie had 160,000 viewers on opening day. Fitna had 1,000,000 downloads in 12 hours.

re: #44 defector01

Ixnay on the etardray. It's verbotten.

well, what d'ya expect when you attempt to manufacture "opression" out of SOP?

had a big argument with a moonbat friend who refused to believe that "stop loss" is a creation of the "bush/rumsfield gang" rather than a standard wartime procedure that has been in place since at least the 1950's

re: #55 E tan e epi tan

Your assuming capitalist impulses are there when the liberal feels self-righteous for doing something to 'help others', I doubt such a feeling exists. A liberal doesn't actually credit capitalism for helping him/her rise to great monetary wealth AND he/she doesn't care about money when they feel sanctimonious about doing something 'noble'.

The same way the marketplace wasn't ready for "New" Coke.

"Have they ever considered the possibility that the marketplace doesn’t want Hollywood’s tedious left-wing anti-American self-hating bias shoved down its throat?"

Nicely stated, Charles.

And I would add the following OBVIOUS: ('cause it's Saturday and my husband, daughter and the grandparents have all left for 11 days of FINE fishing in DelRio, TX and I am sick and tired of the MSM, the LibLoonyLeftwingNUTJOBS hogging up the news with their nuisancing.)

Hell not, they haven't considered that possibility. They still think that we red-staters are all stupid, that we take things "out of context" and consequently need another "teaching moment" by some slick, superior, arrogant, self-involved, ofttimes bloated, megalomanical HUCKSTER like BHussein or the Goracle to tell us how to think, when to poop, what light bulbs to use, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Hmmm time to spend the day reading VDH.

re: #59 defector01

Your assuming capitalist impulses are there when the liberal feels self-righteous for doing something to 'help others', I doubt such a feeling exists. A liberal doesn't actually credit capitalism for helping him/her rise to great monetary wealth AND he/she doesn't care about money when they feel sanctimonious about doing something 'noble'.

Particularly since it is not their money. Gullible limited partners, ignored shareholders. The producers and directors make out just fine.

The DH site is a wonderful place to visit if you want to see how out of touch Hollywood is with mainstream America. Drudge linked to this article, so most of the comments aren't from regular visitors, and you can see the foaming at the mouth that these "thugs" dare post there.

The hatred and anti-capitalistic ideas are comical to read, though. Consider the post ranting and raving over parking - CBS lets their executives have the best parking spots! The greedy, no-good bleeps!

#44 defector01

Its like playing basketball with a retarded kid, these dumb ass movie executives.

Your analogy is pathetic.

re: #59 defector01

Don't believe that for a SECOND. Liberals care plenty about money when it's theirs. The screenwriter, actors, director and crew get paid regardless. The ones losing the money are the idiot investors. As with practically everything else, these liberals are blowing someone else's money.

Movies to watch:
Tora Tora Tora, The Purple Heart, Best Years of Our Lives, Mrs. Miniver, Battle of Britain, The Great Escape, Stalag 17, Heaven Knows Mr. Allison, No Man Is An Island, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, Bridges at Toko-Ri, The Longest Day, Saving Private Ryan, and Blackhawk Down.

#44 I would play basketball with retarded kids any day, and most days I do since I teach spec ed kids-- they have more grit, more heart, more soul, more love, more courage and more patience than most anyone else on earth.

It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet

We must have different definitions of drama, then, because I think that a movie that showed some of Micheal Yon's dispatches would be wonderfully dramatic, but one that, for instance, shows some whiney liberal college professors is not.

In this case, it seems to be moving in the right direction; the soldiers are sympatheticly portrayed. But let's see some movies of soldiers as heroes rather than soldiers as victims.

(Hint, movie makers--follow this advice, you will make money.)

re: #59 defector01

Your assuming capitalist impulses are there when the liberal feels self-righteous for doing something to 'help others', I doubt such a feeling exists. A liberal doesn't actually credit capitalism for helping him/her rise to great monetary wealth AND he/she doesn't care about money when they feel sanctimonious about doing something 'noble'.

We need to understand that these movies aren't produced entirely for domestic consumption. They are pre-dubbed/subtitled in Arabic, Farsi and French to exploit overseas markets. Hollyred is making money with anti-troop, propaganda.

Think about it.

re: #66 Anna
Don't forget "Band of Brothers"

re: #64 rightymouse

In what manner?

re: #65 E tan e epi tan

Good point, thanks

re: #66 Anna

Movies to watch:
Tora Tora Tora, The Purple Heart, Best Years of Our Lives, Mrs. Miniver, Battle of Britain, The Great Escape, Stalag 17, Heaven Knows Mr. Allison, No Man Is An Island, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, Bridges at Toko-Ri, The Longest Day, Saving Private Ryan, and Blackhawk Down.

Patton, Where Eagles Dare...so many good ones. :)

re: #70 Compassionate Warmonger

Band of Brothersis an excellent mini-series. Which is why it was left off the list of movies. I have Band of Brothers. And I need to add to the above movie list Mel Gibson's We We're Soldiers Duh!

re: #66 Anna

We Were Soldiers Once, And Young

re: #71 defector01

In what manner?

Using disabled children as an analogy. That's what.

re: #28 LoFlyer

Knowing Paliwood, they will turn it into anti-war diatribe with a female as the hero. I don't remember the name of the movie, but Mel Gibson directed and starred in a pretty good Viet Nam war movie 5-6 years ago, and it made money. That was about the last time Hollywood made a non-anti-war movie....

We Were Soldiers (2002)

I remember Michael Savage talking about this film briefly. Specifically, how it wasn't getting much air time on television for its promotion, due to the fact that it was not an anti-war film.

re: #72 rightymouse

I would add "The Great Raid". Also an excellent movie.

re: #30 cicadajoe

Is it just me, or are thing just swell? I mean, all these Democrat scandals, the Hillary-Obama slug fest, lib movies failing at the box office . . . I'm just giddy!

Personally, I could use some more global warming, but otherwise I'm great.

Oh yeah, tonight of TCM one of their 'Essential' movies will be The Great Escape. So there is something on TV to watch!

re: #75 rightymouse

my apologies then

I know why Americans don't want to watch this movie! Because they are ignorant and oblivious to the fact that they are evil and causing all the bad things in the world!

/Michelle Osama Obama off

re: #77 rawmuse

I would add "The Great Raid". Also an excellent movie.

The Guns of Navarone, Von Ryan's Express.....

re: #80 defector01

my apologies then

Thank you. Apology accepted.

#66

I would add the series "Sharps Company" and Brannagh's "Henry V"

"Rather proclaim it presently through my host That he which hath no stomach to this fight Let him depart. His passport shall be made. And crowns for convoy put into his purse. We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us. Thsi day is calle dthe Feas of Crispian. He that outlives this day and comes safe home will stand a-tiptoe when this day is named and rouse him at the name of Crispain....We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that shes his blood with me shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition. And gentlemen in England now abed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon St Crispin's day."

re: #72 rightymouse

Patton, Where Eagles Dare...so many good ones. :)

Midway, Kelly's Heroes

there's a billboard for Stop-Loss immediately outside my house. it shows a bunch of surly looking teenagers on a car hood. until recently i had assumed it was another punk skateboarder movie. then i noticed it was getting great reviews. that made me suspicious.

guarantee hollywood has a few more of these losers in the pipeline. and will continue greenighting more.

toon

re: #85 pat

Midway, Kelly's Heroes

Bridge Over the River Kwai, The Longest Day...

re: #54 jemima

If people don't want to go to the picture, nobody can stop them.
Samuel Goldwyn

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA

RAMBO 4 has double, triple , quadruple the entertainment - you go to the movie and watch it and are shocked and awed, and you want to see it again, so you go back the following week, then you go home promising you'll buy the DVD the second it comes out, and then you spend easily two hours reading the viewer reviews comments - viewers evicerating professional reviewers for their obvious bias, pointing out the corrosive corporate connections of compromised reviewers and all the stupidities of "hatin' Stallon Hollywood." Then, be sobered and stilled by the comments coming in worldwide by the Burmese diaspora who cry that only Sly Stallon has the balls to tell the world what is going on in Burma.

Entertainment, current events, courage, right versus wrong, bravery ...

re: #87 rightymouse

El Cid, The Pride and The Passion

Pat, uuhh where Tora Tora Tora was a very good recreation of what happened on December 7th, Midway was classic war schlock dressed up as historical.

But I shall stop before Animal calls out 'Enough with the negativity Moriarty!' :) Best scene of that movie is when the good little Kraut in the tank learns he is guarding a mess of gold after the Wild West showdown.

The Jungle Queen, Zulu

lol

re: #66 Anna

Movies to watch:
Tora Tora Tora, The Purple Heart, Best Years of Our Lives, Mrs. Miniver, Battle of Britain, The Great Escape, Stalag 17, Heaven Knows Mr. Allison, No Man Is An Island, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, Bridges at Toko-Ri, The Longest Day, Saving Private Ryan, and Blackhawk Down.

Rescue Dawn.

There's a market for a Pro-America and pro-"good movie' studios, wonder if anyone would actually take it

Well I better clear hot, things to do today. Have a good one.

re: #90 pat

El Cid, The Pride and The Passion

So many movies, so little time...lol!

I think I'm going to watch one of our hero movies tonight.

Gotta run now. Errands.

re: #91 Anna

But I still liked it, with the booming sound track etc. lol
As for Kelley's heroes, my favorite line is when the general overhears the river assault. "Grave Digger? Who are these guys? "

re: #92 pat

The Jungle Queen, Zulu

lol

I loved the movie Zulu! Great stuff!

It warms my heart to see the Hollywood left fall on its face.

Now I have to go turn all of the lights in my house on full power for the "Google Earth Hour", I think I'll rev my car up in the driveway too.

Hey did anyone notice these 2 different news articles this week....
1. Giant ice shelf collapses due to global warming [Link: www.ens-newswire.com...]

2. Seal hunt delayed because the ice is too thick [Link: www.reuters.com...]

It is getting hard for these libbies to keep their lies straight.

I am currently working in Atlanta, so I happened to see the entertainment section of the Journal Constitution here. They had a review of the movie. They loved it of course, but also billed it on their front page as a PRO-TROOPS movie.

It seems they will do anything to try to get one of these things to take off. Including writing false reviews that attempt to fool people into going to see it.

Shameless.

Funny thing is, every pro-western Civ war movie made in recent history (Black Hawk Down, 300, etc.) have been absolute blockbusters. Hell, they ran Black Hawk down for almost 2 months at the theater just of the base I was stationed at (I'm a US Marine, currently billeted in a fat civilian) because dudes were going to see it like 4-5 times!

I'd love to see a film made about the battle for Fallujah. I have friends who fought there, and man do they ever have some stories. I don't think a lot of folks realize just how major an operation that was, it truly is my generations Iwo Jima.

Note: There is a market for pro-American movies. Hollywood is deliberately snubbing that market, to the tune of millions of dollars lost. They'd rather make anti-war flops than pro-war blockbusters. Contrast that to Hollywood during WWII.

Yes, I am questioning their patriotism. Moreover, I'm questioning their business sense. They are working their way into irrelevancy.

I have a coworker who represents the leftist crowd. She believes all the leftist crap about servicemen (idiots who can't find any other work or rapers and pillagers). She repeatedly feels it's her duty to inform me about Mikey Moore and "The Nation" and all the crap that lies therein and in between. I finally asked her last week if she actually knows any veterans or has talked to anyone who's been over there. She replied "No, but I've seen interviews on Free Speech TV."

Enough of my rant.

re: #102 Iron Fist

Yes, I am questioning their patriotism. Moreover, I'm questioning their business sense. They are working their way into irrelevancy.

Sounds like its time for a shareholder revolt!

re: #3 laZardo

Excellent! I guess all that fresh chicken manure at the poultry farm is ahead of its time, too. At least the chickens thought so.

Not much funnier than a high-handed loser.

re: #37 wrenchwench
Is "coasting" a new category, just cuz it has an internal shift? Geez, why don't they just sell people unicycles, really simple mechanics, what can go wrong?

It's funny because they tried to promote this as an apple pie-and-mom type of movie except for the guy whining about how he did his part, so the army needs to do theirs.

We're not all stupid, Hollywood.

re: #74 Sol Roth

Theme song from "We were Soldiers Once"

I would also add " In Harms Way" to the list and note agreement with all the others offered here. None of which are pro-war, IMHO.

Paramount wasn’t expecting much because no anti-Iraq war-themed movie has yet to perform at the box office.

There, fixed that for them.

re: #103 Bob with one O

She sounds like Richard Belzer. He was on Bill "the malicious Koala Bear" Mahr's show recently arguing with a conservative (I think it was Laura Ingram), who had recently been to Iraq and said that the troops were motivated and believed in their mission. His reply? "That's because they don't know what's going on." He kept flapping his piehole to explain that he knew better what was going on in Iraq than the guys fighting there because he read "19 newspapers a day" and wasn't holed up on some base.

The stupidity of these people knows no bounds.

re: #104 HullBreach,

Indeed. They are not taking the best business intrests of their company into account. I believe the term is fiduciary irresponsibility. They've gone beyond "artistic license" and into the relm of negligence.

I want to see pro-war movies. I want to see American heros on the screen. We have so many real-life stories that could be told.

And Hollywood would make millions. If I had the money, I'd produce such a movie, but I don't.

And the people in Hollyweird with the money are willing to let the golden egg just sit there. They hate America more than they love money.

#86 then i noticed it was getting great reviews. that made me suspicious.

Varmint, you're my hero!

re: #77 rawmuse

The Great Raid did poorly in theaters because of it's limited release. But now try and find the DVD. I was on a waiting list for months after the DVD release at Amazon. Hollywood doesn't want to make money on good stories that happen during war. Otherwise, why would they release a war movie they know is going to tank?

I'm fascinated by the ability of people to confidently judge the contents and motives of a movie THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T SEEN. (Gee, and I thought it was those knee-jerk liberals who keep jumping to unjustified conclusions while deep-thinking conservatives carefully and soberly examine facts and evidence before reaching any judgments.)

Is "Stop-Loss" anti-American? Wouldn't know, haven't seen it. Is it anti-war? Perhaps. Give me a good pro-American, PRO-WAR movie any day!

re: #101 HullBreach

I'd love to see a film made about the battle for Fallujah

There's a great book about it, written by a soldier who fought it, David Bellava I think his name is. The name of the book is

House to House

At least there is one reviewer who gave Stop Loss the review it deserves. Kyle Smith of the New York Post wrote:

Sgt Brandon King (Phillippe) returns home to Texas to be pinned with a medal for noble srvice in Iraq, where he led his men into a lethal situation any member of the Salvation Army would have immediately recognized as an ambush.
[ ]
The mention of the stop-loss policy is the last time the movie intersects with reality. From then on, it's strictly comedy or maybe sci-fi. Sgt. King gets to march into the office of a lieutenant colonel, jumping over the intervening seven ranks to announce "With all due respect, f--- the president".

Sure.

About to be brought to the stockade, Sgt. King simply punches out a couple of minders and runs. Getting away with this in the middle of a military base in daylight is about as likely as escaping from a submarine, but never mind, it's on to the next howler.
[ ]

...Brandon continues to wear his fatigues despite being on the run from MPs. He even walks into a military hospital, where the movie proves it thinks sergeants are addressed as "Sir".
[ ]

In the alternate reality of "Stop-Loss", desertion, a crime punished by most armies through most of history with a firing squad, is handled about the same way as staying out after dark to play kick the can even though your mama done told you to be back in time for supper.

heh.

One star.

Select Anti-American Movies and Their Domestic vs. Foreign Gross (2001-2008):
source: [Link: www.worldwideboxoffice.com...]

(in millions USD)

Anti-American
Rank Domestic Ovrsea World
0122 $ 119.2 $ 103.3 $ 222.4 Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
0235 $ 70.5 $ 60.9 $ 131.4 V for Vendetta (2005)
0434 $ 13.8 $ 52.3 $ 66.1 Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
0494 $ 21.2 $ 35.6 $ 56.8 Bowling for Columbine (2002)

Pro-American
0346 $ 78.1 $ 8.6 $ 86.7 We Were Soldiers (2002)
0550 $ 32.8 $ 17.4 $ 50.2 Team America: World Police (2004)

Analyze. Think.

“It’s not looking good,” a studio source told me before the weekend. “No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way..."

IT'S THE PLOT, STUPID!

Just had to get that off my chest.

I'm even less intersted in seeing these preachy flops after finding out about the politics and worldview the 'great cast'.....are you listening, Gyllenhall siblings?

If they came out with a movie that portrayed contemporary US soldiers as something other than predatory murderers, rapists, theives, hapless dupes, semiliterate hillbillies or gang members, I might consider seeing it. Most of Micheal Yon's blog entries could be cobbled together for a decent screenplay with a minimum of effort, but I'm sure we'll see a feature-length film on how the brave and noble operatives of Code Pink stood up to the bad ol' Marines who dared keep open an imperialist recruiting office on soverign Berkley soil first.

The movie goes out of its way to depict soldiers as vicious, irrational, and astoundingly ignorant. Can anyone else say "projection"?

Seriously, when Communism made its first big push for Hollywood, Ronald Reagan and others threw them back. The CPUSA has always made it very clear they want to control media and the arts. If you can point in black and white to where your enemies are plotting against you, is it still paranoia?

"The Passion" outsold "Last Temptation" by ridiculous margins- this clearly isn't about money. This is about ideology.

The good news is that the people who make this trash were 20something in '69. Not too much longer and there won't be many of them left- they're starting to hit the "cemetery demographic". The question is how much will be left of the country by then.

Dave

re: #56 pat

This movie had 160,000 viewers on opening day. Fitna had 1,000,000 downloads in 12 hours.

Excellent comparison, pat.

re: #17 SlartyBartfast

The reviewer on NPR (just yesterday morning) positively gushed about "Stop Loss", practically guaranteeing it would tank...

How in God's name can you people listen to NPR? I'd rather listen to my ex...

At least Stop-Loss is sure to win one award.

The "Most Ironically-Named Film in Regards to Its Actual Box-Office Performance" Award.

The only way it could be beaten on the irony scale would be if Hollywood made a film against the strategic bombing of "insurgent" targets in Iraq called "No More Iraq War Bombs".

It's funny because they tried to promote this as an apple pie-and-mom type of movie except for the guy whining about how he did his part, so the army needs to do theirs.

I saw that scene and I immediately old my wife that it was an antiwar/military movie and I refused to spend money on it.

She asked why.

I said because either the guy is the kind of goof-off whining slacker we all hated, or profoundly ignorant, or the movie has NO basis in reality. There is NO WAY someone got into the military any time after 1990 without having it explained in PAINFUL detail the clauses in their contract that allowed the military to keep them in if needed. You get paid more to compensate under some circumstances, but they can keep you.

Period.

EVERYBODY GETS TOLD THIS UP FRONT and only the most PROFOUNDLY IGNORANT would mouth off about "I did my part they should do theirs."

Read your contract, son.

Got to hand to Hollywood, they keep throwing s#!t in hopes that something will stick. This movie won't gross much in the United States and is intended for the World audiences, which doesn't surprise me any more.

re: #117 Fenway_Nation

What he said.

Forget Hollywood. If I want to see a movie promoting tedious left-wing anti-American self-hating bias, I'll buy one of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's tapes.

“No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way

Of course, silly me! I'm "not ready" to see this movie!

No, Hollywood Assholes, I am sick of your anti-American diatribe, your "historical" movies that are more PC hysteria than history, and movies that "address in a dramatic way" rather than movies that just entertain the moviegoer! I know you Hollywood Assholes are STILL pissed over the McCarthy hearings, nearly 60 years ago now, and you've been eking your "revenge" on America ever since.

Ever wonder how many ignorant and under-educated people think the last "Pearl Harbor" movie, "JFK", and "Nixon" are historically accurate depictions of actual events? The answer is: far too damn many!

Movies can't just entertain anymore, in Hollywood Assholeland. They have to have "a message" and "raise awareness" and all that other PC bullshit. Perfect example - "Cars" was a very entertaining animated movie that featured - CARS! Oh, no, too un-PC for the Academy, oh, no! So that stupid PC penguin movie with that powerful "message" won out over "Cars".

I was happy that all hte anti-war movies kept bombing

Great play on words!

#120 Bob in Breckenridge

How in God's name can you people listen to NPR? I'd rather listen to my ex...

From Mamet's Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal' essay

"I took the liberal view for many decades, but I believe I have changed my mind.

As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart.

These cherished precepts had, over the years, become ingrained as increasingly impracticable prejudices. Why do I say impracticable? Because although I still held these beliefs, I no longer applied them in my life. How do I know? My wife informed me. We were riding along and listening to NPR. I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: 'Shut the fuck up?' she prompted."

I don't even watch the commercials for this trash. In my house Stop Loss Commercial = Stop Watching This Channel.

re: #16 pegcity

i think ill watch black hawk down for the 40th time.

Mrs. RoughRider went to high school with one of the wives who lost her honorable husband in this incident. This movie really hits home hard.

The delusional Carrie Rickey at the now-liberal Dallas Morning News gives it a B+.

Stop-Loss, Ms. Peirce's vital portrait of soldiers snared by the Army loophole that sends them back to Iraq, has the rhythms and imagery of a generation-defining film. While it would be premature to decorate it as the Best Years of Our Lives or Coming Home of the surge, Stop-Loss carries the emotional force and propulsive drama of the quintessential soldier's story.

Ms. Peirce's direction of her actors is intimately scaled and matter-of-fact. All the performances are quiet and pitch-perfect.

In this politicized country during this polarizing war in an election year, Stop-Loss will generate debate about its political point of view. Without pulling any punches, the film is pro-soldier, anti-bureaucrat, war-neutral and deeply, deeply affecting.

When you take the oath, you fulfil the oath to the best of your ability, NO exceptions. Each and everyone who takes that oath knows, going in, that you may be put in harm's way UNTIL the oath has been fulfilled. That these fools cannot understand that simply shows that there is neither the moral courage or committment needed, and i feel this is known by them, deep inside where you no longer lie to yourself. What you see in these movies is the outward expression of a frustration that they can never publically admit. Off the soapbox now.

Even if I agreed with the politics of Hollywood, I wouldn't want them preaching to me or others about it. It's just not the place for politics. What I hate even more is the notion that these actors feel that they have to preach about politics when 9/10 of them don't even have a degree.

"Stop Loss" otherwise known as "Operational Hold" or "OPHOLD" has been around for at least 28 years. OPHOLD is simply the mismatch of a servicemembers EAOS (End of Active Obligated Service) date with the estimated completion date of a deployment or operation.

I have seen it used many times. Commanders do not place an OPHOLD on someone lightly. OPHOLD is used to ensure unit integrity.

OPHOLD also works in reverse; If your EAOS is near the commencement date of a deployment or operation, you are usually exempt from even deploying in the first place.

This film was an ignorant, transparent attempt to push an anti-war agenda by Hollywood.

Hollywood deserves our scorn and contempt.

re: #28 LoFlyer

Knowing Paliwood, they will turn it into anti-war diatribe with a female as the hero. I don't remember the name of the movie, but Mel Gibson directed and starred in a pretty good Viet Nam war movie 5-6 years ago, and it made money. That was about the last time Hollywood made a non-anti-war movie....

"We Were Soldiers" based on a real true story

re: #130 RoughRider
The delusional Carrie Rickey

Stop-Loss, Ms. Peirce's vital portrait of soldiers snared by the Army loophole that sends them back to Iraq, has the rhythms and imagery of a generation-defining film.

Did you all see the movie Gettsyburg? Go to the scene where Col. Joshua Chamberlain is presented with a group of deserters from Maine, just before the clash of armies at Gettysburg. They are dumped on him by default - they're from Maine, too. He's given the authority to discipline them as he chooses and is informed that he has the authority to shot them all. Everyone is occupied with the expectation of the coming huge clash of armies, only hours ahead. He cannot babysit them.
The grounds for firing squad? They re-upped, to stay as a group but half of the group discovered after the fact, they'd signed TWO years instead of ONE. So, they were caught LEAVING at one year.

Let's review that "rhythms and imagery" puffery there. Not long ago, a mistake like that was NOT THE ARMY'S PROBLEM - it was YOURS. Wisely, Chamberlian commented that if he took his fully-backed-by-the-USG option of shooting them all, then he could kiss off going back to Maine for the rest of his natural life.

His speech to these men about the coming battle and the call to do what's right, despite the grievances the men held is magnificent.

Now THAT was during a Civil War and a draft.

What now with an all volunteer army - no firing squads required - they really don't want you if you aren't cut out for it! Follow the procedures to extract yourself correctly and you're good.
Films like this, designed to elicit the illusion of injustice when there isn't any are constructed like upside down Rube Goldberg devices - relying on a suspension of physics, common sense and natural relationships and reactions.

Tired of the WAAAh WAAAH of the Left. Two hundred years ago chidlren of the age of 12 were apprenticed by their parents - signing their sons lives away to someone else for the next 9 years. Kids who didn't like it and ran away were subject to jail. Kids grew up FAST! 18 was marrying and building family age - when people died early it wasn't too early to be working on the next generation.

Now we get the drama queens of the Left, running off to Canada and whinging about their moral obligation to desert to recall the glory days of the 1960s, when there WAS a draft, when today simply NOT signing up for the services is suffficient. And we are all supposed to be MOVED by this? Yeh! To the loo! We're expected to accept that they didn't KNOW they had to shoot rifles at enemy combatants when they signed up for the ARMY? OKay, you're sooo stupid it would indeed be a national disaster and danger to your fellow soldiers to allow you to join them on the front lines, the supply lines, the rear lines, the porta potty lines, you probably couldn't fill out a correct order form for SOCKS to be sent to the real soldiers, so even storeman or supply officer is out-of-the-question. OR .. . you flat out LIED and wanted to screw things up. Weighing that against 5,000 years of human tradition, a firing squad is not an unreasonable option in considering THAT betrayal.

They tried hard on this one to appeal to teens and young adults. My 15yr old daughter saw the commercials and mentioned she wanted to see it. To her it looks just like a 'One Tree Hill' type show with 'hot' guys in it. I guess they figured Tommys Cruise and Lee Jones, REDford and some of the other old timers in the previous films were the reason these pathetic wastes of celluloid were such duds.

Buttheads....

I couldn't stand Saving Private Ryan. There's no place in a WWII movie for world devouring boomer narcissism. The Longest Day was a more intelligent and far, far superior film.

Rarely mentioned but good war movies (fine stories, fairly patriotic) to consider seeing:

WWII era - In Which We Serve, They Were Expendable, Objective Burma, Command Decision

Korean War era - The Steel Helmet, The Bridges At Toko Ri, Pork Chop Hill, The Hook

Vietnam era - Go Tell The Spartans, The Boys In Company C, The Deer Hunter, Bat 21

My favorite review was: "A wake up call for America". I think that was from Rolling Stone (but I'm not sure)

In the twisted little mind of the liberal, all Americans are just sleeping, waiting for the superior intellect of the liberal to come in and bless us with their wisdom.

Thank God liberals consider themselves too intellectually superior to breed.

re: #137 Dirk Diggler

I couldn't stand Saving Private Ryan. There's no place in a WWII movie for world devouring boomer narcissism. The Longest Day was a more intelligent and far, far superior film.

Saving Private Ryan. You are sooooo right.
ACK ACK ACK!
Belly-button infantile perspective of a massive World War - a classic, epic conflict between Good and Evil - reduced to ... what?
Longest Day - terrific

Can anyone recommend me some good pro troop/US films, just watching the trailers for crap like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

re: #141 kos eats kittens
scroll up a little and refer to this post:
re: #138 blackelkspeaks

Just for fun, "WHERE EAGLES DARE"

re: #141 kos eats kittens
I've watched "The Longest Day" so many times that I have a good deal of the script memorized.

I still have a compulsion to watch it every time it's on. It's that good.

It should be the first on everyone's list of WWII films.

re: #94 defector01

There's a market for a Pro-America and pro-"good movie' studios, wonder if anyone would actually take it

Sadly, the only example I have seen was in a webcomic. Both storylines are long but worth it.

First one starts here.

Second story starts here.

Would probably be good to start from the beginning of the strip so you have a clue who the cast members are.

Of course, I'm also waiting for my copy of "Ears Open, Eyeballs Click" which I have some hope for.

My first post here, but had to say something. A salesman called me the other day and was trying to sell me. Small talk included his seeing this great movie Stop Loss. Not knowing anything about the movie, but knowing the term I had a feeling he was on thin ice to begin with.
I asked if it was pro or anti war. He said neither and then went into a rant about these poor guys that did their time and now have to go back. My reply: I'm a Marine Mom , Too Bad, So Sad & Get over it.
They signed up for the military for what, to build blocks? That was the nice part. Needless to say, he wont be calling back. While I have sympathy for some of these guys/gals who have to give up their lives and go back for whatever reasons, I am sure the movie really did a number with it.
Nobody bad mouths Our Great Military to me and gets away with it.

Maybe about a hundred guys were in this same Stop Loss level of fury as the main character in this flick.

(The rest had read their contracts and knew that the military likes to play games with your time and ass.)

That's not much of an audience base to gamble millions on.

If there had been stop loss marches and massive protests and a big public sense of outrage, this movie might have had some rationale.

But there weren't.

And it doesn't.

These actors also use the conceit of a southern accent as if all these poor soldiers are backassward country trailer trash types. More often than not, a southern accent in a movie is shorthand for poor,stupid, downtrodden or racist. As soon as I heard Ryan Phillipe talk in the commercial it told me all I needed to know about this movie.

The movie market is ripe for a market correction. i have not seen a set of companies so disconnected from the desires of its audience since heavy meal just before nirvana's "nevermind" came out. Or action movies before "Die Hard" came out.

That's what i am waiting for. A "Die Hard" for our times, not meaning a similar plot, but something that suddenly makes everyone see how lame these crappy anti-war movies really are.

Fellow Lizards,

You're right they are plenty of good American Movies, ("Saving Private Ryan", "The Longest Day", "Midway,", etc.), but they're are 3 that I really liked. "."12 o'clock high" & "The Audie Murphy story." My late father was a proud W.W.2. vet & I've seen these movies plenty of times! Including that part in which a young Lt. Murphy gunned down 400 Nazis on a flaming tank (or APV) in which he saved plenty of his fellow soldiers lives. I thought that part on the flaming vehicle was so cool!

And as for Holly weird wasting their money, that's fine with me. Maybe losing all that money will put a point across their thick-headed moonbat skulls that fighting the war in Iraq is the right thing to do. YEAH, RIGHT!

re: #10 zmdavid
Marcus Lutrell had to miss some events in the Vets for Freedom tour because he was needed in the early production stages of this. It is happening and it will be great because he has insisted on keeping some control of the story. David Bellavia of "House to House" has had some inquiries about making a film out of his book but his desire to maintain similar control is likely to slow down the process as well. Read "House to House" and tell me there isn't a great movie in there!

Pat Dollard's Young Americans will be a Showtime mini-series this summer too!
[Link: patdollard.com...]

How is it that nobody has mentioned Sgt York? Possibly my favorite movie, of any kind, ever!

On the topic of worldwide box office...this movie received relentless promotion for two weeks before release here in Canada. The result? Didn't even crack the Top 20:

20 - The Counterfeiters Sony $109,257

"Have they ever considered the possibility that the marketplace doesn’t want Hollywood’s tedious left-wing anti-American self-hating bias shoved down its throat?"

No.

Is there a Carlos Hathcock biography planned or in existence?

Yes, we lowly mortals do not understand the ways of the honorable movie makers and their fancy movie machines.

Ah......yeah.