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Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:01:18 am PDT

Here’s an expert on Islamic law, appearing on Iraqi television, explaining that under sharia there are very good reasons to allow grown men to marry pre-teen girls, and “stupid” infidels have no right to complain about Mohammed marrying an eight-year old, because we allow our young girls to fornicate.

(Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)

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Dr. Abd Al-Hamid Al-’Ubeidi: There is no minimum marriage age for either men or women in Islamic law. The law in many countries permits girls to marry only from the age of 18. This is arbitrary legislation, not Islamic law. Why? Because there might be cases in which it is impossible to keep the girl [single] until the age of maturity.

For example, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Serbs killed many Albanian Muslims, and there are many mass graves there. [Muslim] families fled from that war, and so did small children, who were not yet at the age of marriage. But if a man takes such a girl in, he might desire her, and eventually commit a sin, even though his intentions were noble. So he can formally marry her, but without having sex with her. She will remain like that until she grows up, and then someone will ask to marry her, or he will find her a husband – this happens in many Islamic countries with girls from Bosnia-Herzegovina – and when he finds her a husband, he will divorce her, so that she can marry again. In such a case, there should be no waiting period. So there is no need for the girl to be of age.

Most of the time we act according to what is acceptable to most people, and indeed, most men do not marry a girl until she is of age. In some Islamic countries, the age of maturity can be 8 or 10 years. In Yemen, a girl might get her period at the age of 8. In cold countries, such as Russia, Belarus, Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, and so on, a girl might not reach maturity until she is 22 years old. She might not get her period until then. Therefore, the greatness of Islamic law is manifest in the fact that marriage is not just for pleasure. True, it is the basic objective for marriage, but there are some cases that require solutions.

[...]

Many criminals, the enemies of Islam, ask: “How could the Prophet Muhammad, at 52 years of age, marry ‘Aisha when she was only 8 years old, and consummate the marriage when she was 9 years old?” I say to them: People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Why do you permit your young girls to fornicate? They consider it one of their liberties. Therefore, in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins. They permit this. They have even legislated laws stating that if a girl is under the age of 18, and her girlfriend [sic] or whatever has had sex with her, she has the right to have an abortion. How can you permit the outcome without accepting the cause? Why do you allow your girls to have sex and say this is an individual liberty? It is okay to fornicate with girls there or force them to have sex, and so on, and they have the right to have an abortion. If you permit all this before the age [of 18], without a marriage contract and without any legal grounds – how come you forbid marriage?

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:05:04am

Blues Brothers...

How much for the little girl...

Spit*

2 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:06:27am

RoP = Religion of Paedos

/spit

3 jjmckay1216  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:07:46am

Let's see the UN condemn that

/spit

4 Edouard  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:08:53am
Why do you permit your young girls to fornicate? They consider it one of their liberties. Therefore, in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins.

He's so full of it that the whites of his eyes are turning brown.

5 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:09:21am

I wonder how many little girls he has molested.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:09:21am

Guess I should go back and read the article...I'm gonna be pissed...I can feel it...


/spit* again

7 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:10:20am

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guess I should go back and read the article...I'm gonna be pissed...I can feel it...


/spit* again

It's disgusting.

8 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:10:20am

B-b-b-b-but -- it's Hate Speech!

Condemn this man for inciting bad thoughts!

UN? Dutch government? EU? Moonbats worldwide? Where is the condemnation?

/crickets...

Oh, that's right, it's only bad if someone else points out what this guy said. So Charles is guilty of Hate Speech, simply for posting this video.

Now, it all becomes clear in my mind...

9 Sizzlack  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:10:21am

So being a pedophile is acceptable...

they're really taking religion of tolerance to a new level with this one

10 deesine  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:10:50am

Basically he's identifying a cultural trend amongst Muslims whereby they view their wives as their daughters and visa versa. I'm thinking psychiatrists are going to do really well in the middle east...someday. (I can hope can't I?)

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:11:12am

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guess I should go back and read the article...I'm gonna be pissed...I can feel it...


/spit* again

Yep. Pissed.

12 zmdavid  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:11:53am

Is there adoption in Islam? If you want to take in an orphan refugee, do you have to marry her?

13 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:12:18am
This is arbitrary legislation, not Islamic law.

There you have it, folks. If it isn't Islamic law, then it is merely "arbitrary" legislation, no matter what logic or tradition it's based upon.

14 Ma Sands  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:12:36am

Yikes! I hope you guys all brushed your teeth --and gargled...the spit in this thread is getting pretty deep! ):

15 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:13:10am

Follow this logic, please:

But if a man takes such a girl in, he might desire her, and eventually commit a sin, even though his intentions were noble. So he can formally marry her, but without having sex with her. She will remain like that until she grows up, and then someone will ask to marry her, or he will find her a husband – this happens in many Islamic countries with girls from Bosnia-Herzegovina – and when he finds her a husband, he will divorce her, so that she can marry again.

They're coming to take me away, ha ha, hee hee, to the Funny Farm...

16 Student of Objectivism  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:13:11am

Makes me want to vomit. Or maybe that has something to do with the eggs I just ate...

17 paint-right  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:13:13am

they do not - do not - understand anything because they are so controlled.

Freedom allows the good with the bad. We do not"permit" nor encourage or force girls to have sex or get married. Stuff happens.

Please explain to me these bizzare marriages of convenience when some poor child gets taken in ( no pun intended) by some old geezer ostensibly as a result of war. And the divorces of convenience.

And speaking of Bosnia, who went to the Muslims' defense there.? Hmmm?

As for Mohammed and Aisha - gimme a break . This "religion" is an invention of Stan and a very human flawed bloody covetous lustful man.

18 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:14:08am

re: #14 Ma Sands

Yikes! I hope you guys all brushed your teeth --and gargled...the spit in this thread is getting pretty deep! ):

It's not nearly as vile as the shit he's spewing.

19 mbruce  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:14:20am

There is a very deep fear and hatred of women in this cult. Why are the men such friggin' weanies? They make Beta males look positively Alpha.

20 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:14:54am
21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:15:51am

Kind of off topic, but when I hear muslim scholars speak I think of this guy...

22 dustyvet  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:17:47am

re: #5 MandyManners

I wonder how many little girls he has molested.

I wonder how many cities, county's, and states this arse wipe is listed on sexual offender lists?

23 jcm  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:17:57am

A pedophile by any other name is still a sick fuck.

24 BlueCanuck  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #15 zombie

Yeah I caught that too. Here in the unenlightened west we "adopt" and will make the child a part of the family. Nope not them they maybe tempted to do sinful things to the poor waifs. So marry them, and marry them young. Thus the problem of temptation and sinning is solved.

/misogynist pricks. *spit*

//back in a bit, need to get the mop out for this thread.

25 rorschach  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:19:18am

muslims have no trouble justifying the beheading and stoning of women...

child rape "marriage" should be no problem.

26 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:19:18am

Huffa Puffa, huffa puffa - whew! Gee Charles you're really on a roll today!
Good morning to you.

This is absolutely the biggest bunch of horseshit I've read in a looong time.
" and eventually commit a sin, even though his intentions were noble." Uh huh. So Muslim men are unable to control their lust? Isn't that what your saying?
And I reckon that kind of logic applies to Mohammed - who had the decency to wait until she was 9 years old to rape have intercourse with her?
And I guess a girl simply getting her period makes her sexually "mature"?
And I'll wager there are more 10 and 11 year old virgins in the US then there are goats in Muslim countries, too.
What a scumbag you are. Why don't you simply start a muslims only, females instead of boys version of NAMBLA. Maybe call it MGLA?

27 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:19:26am
Therefore, in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins. They permit this.

Bullshit. Pure Bullshit. He's projecting his evil culture. What a F*ing moron.

28 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:19:28am

re: #22 dustyvet

I wonder how many cities, county's, and states this arse wipe is listed on sexual offender lists?

Every one he's visited?

29 kcladderman  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:19:54am

But if a man takes such a girl in, he might desire her, and eventually commit a sin, even though his intentions were noble.


So is Woody Allen a muslim?

30 Jonas Parker  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:19:54am

ROP = Religion of Pedophiles... makes sense to me, I guess...

31 Racer X  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:20:10am

Snort.

Hock.

Spit.

32 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:20:25am

So, he's saying that there are cases in Kufir-land of unmarried girls have sex as young as 8 or 10, so those men in Mo-land take care of that problem by marrying them that young, so they won't be sinning. So nice of those men.

Gosh, you got to love the logic /sarc.

Walter in Golden, Co.

33 sifty  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:20:57am

Come on guys!

They have only had since 700 A.D. or so. Everybody has a learning curve.

/?

34 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:21:31am

The last paragraph of the transcription proves these people have no concept of females as fully fledged humans with souls and rights. Nor can these people grasp the concept of "consent." His argument boils down to:

"In the West, young girls have the right to personally choose to have sex with boys their own age.

So, here in the Muslim world, adult men have the right to rape young girls.

What right do you have to complain? You 'allow' your young girls to have sex too!"

He simply can't understand the difference: in the West, we allow freedom of choice, and allow the female to make the decision; in the Islamic world, the female has no rights or decision-making abilities whatsoever.

35 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:21:31am

re: #20 Iron Fist Hey Bro' - your "current" girlfriend? Sure hope she doesn't read LGF, pardner! LOL!

36 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:21:51am
But if a man takes such a girl in, he might desire her, and eventually commit a sin, even though his intentions were noble. So he can formally marry her, but without having sex with her. She will remain like that until she grows up, and then someone will ask to marry her, or he will find her a husband – this happens in many Islamic countries with girls from Bosnia-Herzegovina – and when he finds her a husband, he will divorce her, so that she can marry again. In such a case, there should be no waiting period. So there is no need for the girl to be of age.

Wait a minute. So if a refugee girl and her family is taken in by a Muslim guy, and he finds her attractive, then he can avoid sin by marrying her. This speaker in the video says that now that they are married, the hypothetical guy will not have sex with the child-bride, not even when she is nearly of age to "really" get married. Then he can divorce the young woman, without ever having had sex with her, and she can marry someone her own age.

I have a few questions.

Exactly which sin is this hypothetical guy avoiding by marrying an underage girl, if he never has sex with her?

Why would this guy want to marry an underage girl if he is never going to have sex with her?

What does this kind of arrangement (be "married" and then divorced) do to the emotional stability of the hypothetical girl?

Does Islam care about women at all?

Why don't feminists say something about this nonsense?

37 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:21:52am
It is okay to fornicate with girls there or force them to have sex

Uh- no. We have laws that send people who do this to girls to jail. And, what's more- we don't kill the girls for it, either!

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:23:00am

Totally appropriate since this guy is a stain on humanity...

[Link: mytalkingstain.com...]

Move your cursor over the three stains on the left, and just tell me it doesn't sound like three muslims discussing how much they hate America.

39 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:23:23am

re: #20 Iron Fist

There is a difference of choice versus force. It is true that underage girls have sex. Usually with underage boys. Not usually with late middle-adged men. The latter is a crime.

It is true that the pro-abortion crowd want to protect the latter. They are a minority, even if they are a disturbingly large minority. When I was 19, I had a girlfriend who was 15. That is one thing.

I'm now 38. I wouldn't even consider a girlfriend under 25 or so. My current Girlfriend is older than me, so there is no problem.

Mohammed took a 9 year old girl. That is revolting. That is child molestation.

That is the foundation of the Mohammedan faith. Child molestation and murder.

How dare they call it "holy".

I don't think that's entirely accurate (highlighted passage). I don't think you find anyone (save for complete whack jobs or criminals) in civilized countries condoning sex with minors, be they pro-abortion or not.

40 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:23:48am

ha,ha,ha,...this tool is a total idiot.mo'(rosie be upon him)fucked a 9 year old girl.9...and this type of garbage obsfugates for him.(notice how he did not dispute the charge he merly changed the subject.

41 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:24:10am
42 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:24:27am

re: #31 Racer X

*Mondo Lugie*

43 Pass The Moonbaticide  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:24:50am
infidels have no right to complain about Mohammed marrying an eight-year old

Actuazlly , I think A|isha waSs SIX , And Mohammed 53 .
I would call that perversion , but maybe it's just me.

44 TMK  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:25:05am

"Why do you permit your young girls to fornicate?"

That's a fair question (the answer being "public schools are run by your alies, the Marxists"), but really, do our "girls gone wild" really justify buying and violating children in your fevered, inbred mind?

And for the record, I have no problem with two young teen-agers getting married, it's the young-to-geezoid marriages that reek of perversion.

45 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:25:06am

re: #42 Ojoe

Splat.

46 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:25:06am

And what a hypocrite he is too- abortion does exist in islamic countries.

47 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:25:32am

re: #8 zombie Hi zombie! Great Post. Really great. Thank you.

48 Racer X  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:25:35am

This worthless puke is absolutely disgusting, as is the notion of a grown man marrying a pre-teen girl.

Islam = Submit

*submit to your pedophile urges
*submit to your desire to rape
*women must submit to men
*infidels must submit to muslims

Not in my lifetime.

49 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:26:00am

re: #29 kcladderman

nah,just a scumbag.

50 Spiny Norman  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:26:28am

re: #34 zombie

The last paragraph of the transcription proves these people have no concept of females as fully fledged humans with souls and rights. Nor can these people grasp the concept of "consent." His argument boils down to:

"In the West, young girls have the right to personally choose to have sex with boys their own age.

So, here in the Muslim world, adult men have the right to rape young girls.

What right do you have to complain? You 'allow' your young girls to have sex too!"

He simply can't understand the difference: in the West, we allow freedom of choice, and allow the female to make the decision; in the Islamic world, the female has no rights or decision-making abilities whatsoever.

The Religion of Misogyny. It's in the Koran!

51 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:27:46am

I also love this part:

In Yemen, a girl might get her period at the age of 8. In cold countries, such as Russia, Belarus, Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, and so on, a girl might not reach maturity until she is 22 years old. She might not get her period until then.

Yes, I have a strong memory of walking around Vancouver, and all the 21-year-olds were flat as a board, 5 feet tall, and carried little dolls. Then suddenly, they hit 22 and bam! -- instant maturity.

52 stevieray  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:27:47am

Hmmm... interesting.

If I were to pattern my life on the life of Jesus, I would become a better person and an asset to my family, community, and the world. The same hold true for the Abraham, the Buddha, and pretty much any other founder of a major religion that I can think of.

One founder seems to be different.

One founder is not like the others.

Guess which one! C'mon... guess! Which religion was founded by an immoral thieving warlord who was more concerned with conquest than salvation? Which religion encourages its followers to lie? To invade? To conquer? To enslave?

Give up?

Can you say "Islam"?

Good... I knew you could.

/"religion of peace" my star-spangled ass!

53 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:29:57am

re: #44 TMK

Agreed.

Also, just because some folks in the West don't do much to deter underage unmarried people to have sex, does not mean that everyone in those places think it is right.

Two wrongs don't make a right, is what I'd tell this guy.

54 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:30:11am

re: #36 I_Invented_Al_Gore "Why don't feminists say something about this nonsense?"

Because they don't care. Period.

55 jcm  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:30:41am

Is it just me or is Islam beyond dysfunctional, and downright pathological?

56 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:31:13am

re: #36 I_Invented_Al_Gore

ah ,you see benighted infidel,the man cannot be in the company of the girl if she is not his wife,unless he has nursed from her teat,or juggled seven oranges under a full moon while carring a bing cherry in his butt cheeks.these rules can seem cofusing for stupid westerners.

57 rawmuse  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:31:26am

This comment has been pre-deleted, due to highly reasonable assumptions on the part of the commenter, that nonetheless violate the Terms of Usage.

58 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:31:30am
Therefore, in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins. They permit this. They have even legislated laws stating that if a girl is under the age of 18, and her girlfriend [sic] or whatever has had sex with her, she has the right to have an abortion.

There's an example of scientific understanding for you.

If SHE has sex with HER GIRLFRIEND and SHE has any cause for an ABORTION (typically PREGNANCY, as I understand it), then SHE should make millions of dollars on the trashy TV talkshow circuit, as well as be the case for a Nobel-prize worthy study.

No wonder these people can't understand not killing, etc. They haven't passed fifth-grade health education.

59 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:31:34am

What a tool. I hope his daughter gets engaged to Islamic Rage boy when she reaches the age of 8.

60 kcladderman  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:31:50am

re: #49 Boondock St. Bender
Of the first degree

61 zmdavid  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:31:50am

re: #39 Golden Jerusalem

I don't think that's entirely accurate (highlighted passage). I don't think you find anyone (save for complete whack jobs or criminals) in civilized countries condoning sex with minors, be they pro-abortion or not.


When the state knocks on an abortion clinic's door to investigate statutory rape cases, (wanting to know how a preteen girl got pregnant) they say "get lost".

62 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:32:09am

I wonder if a step-dad can have sex with his teen-aged step-daughter and it be okay.

63 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:33:32am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if a step-dad can have sex with his teen-aged step-daughter and it be okay.

Let's ask Woody Allen.

64 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:33:54am
65 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:35:19am

Uh, say y'all - is LGF running slow and/or difficult to post/rate on for anyone else?!

66 tommygum  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:35:29am

Sick fux.

67 stevieray  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:35:38am

If I were to pattern my life on the life of Jesus, I would become a better person and an asset to my family, community, and the world. The same hold true for the Abraham, the Buddha, and pretty much any other founder of a major religion that I can think of.

One founder seems to be different.

One founder is not like the others.

Guess which one! C'mon... guess! Which religion was founded by an immoral thieving warlord who was more concerned with conquest than salvation? Which religion encourages its followers to lie? To invade? To conquer? To enslave?

Give up?

Can you say "Islam"?

Good... I knew you could.

/"religion of peace" my star-spangled ass!

68 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:36:37am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if a step-dad can have sex with his teen-aged step-daughter and it be okay.

No, it is not! She must be executed immediately!

69 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:36:39am
70 Jonas Parker  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if a step-dad can have sex with his teen-aged step-daughter and it be okay.

No, the step-daughter must be under 13 years old...

71 Ma Sands  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #65 realwest

Yup. Very.

72 zmdavid  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:37:49am

re: #65 realwest

Uh, say y'all - is LGF running slow and/or difficult to post/rate on for anyone else?!

It's slow for me too.

73 We need G.C. Scott  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:37:50am

"For example in Bosnia-Herzegovina,the Serbs killed many Albanian Muslims and there are many mass graves there."

No mention of the Muslim militias which butchered Serb villages? Or those Serbian units,many of whom had their own loved ones killed,escorting Muslim women and children to safety? That's right,the Muslims in Albania,Bosnia,Kosovo are always just minding their own business until the evil Serbs decide to start a little mischief. And according to such logic,since the war produced refugees, the perverts who would normally have to formally marry children to satisfy their uncontrollable lusts are merely taking these girls "under their wing" until they find suitable husbands. What a load,eh I mean crock, of crap. This clown wouldn't have an iota what to do with a grown, mature,sexy,confident,independent woman. Besides trying to put her in chains that is.

74 stevieray  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:37:54am

re: #65 realwest

Yes. I tried to post a comment three different times before it "took". I had to copy my comment then close LGF and reopen it a few times to get it through.

75 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:37:57am

In the West- we have age of consent laws- and they have been known to be enforced when under-aged girls have sex. Rape is, of course, a crime regardless of age, and is punished whenever possible.

In islam, a female's consent is not needed no matter the age, and when rape is charged- it is the victim who is punished, not the perpetrator.

One culture values females, the other doesn't. The facts speak for themselves.

76 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:38:12am

re: #65 realwest

Uh, say y'all - is LGF running slow and/or difficult to post/rate on for anyone else?!

AGONIZINGLY slow for me as well.

77 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:38:50am
78 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:40:12am

How do we let our young girls run wild?

I thought it was the young women who run wild, not young girls.

Young girls still play with barbie dolls...

79 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:40:13am

re: #63 OldLineTexan

Let's ask Woody Allen.


Didn't they eventually get married? I'm not excusing it. Just asking.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:41:34am

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81 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:41:35am

'in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins. They permit this.'
---

Rarely? While there are too many sexually active kids, most of them are NOT active, and even fewer are active with men 3 or 4 times their age! In the civilized world, Mo would be considered a pedophile.

Religion of Perverts, maybe?

82 tommygum  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:41:37am

re: #59 SecretInternetDoucheBag

What a tool. I hope his daughter gets engaged to Islamic Rage boy when she reaches the age of 8.

If she's his daughter, she probably isn't a virgin anymore, if you know what I mean.

83 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:42:13am

LGF is funky right now. It takes forever to post and/or see new comments.

84 Jinx  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:42:18am

On another board, I debated a muslim about Mohammed the pedophile consumating his marriage with a nine year old. It was astounding, and frankly, scary the depths he went to defend pedophilia not just back then for Mohammed "the real man" that can get it on with nine year olds, but in our times as well.

I'm honestly not surprised at their misogynistic beliefs anymore. It's disgusting.

I really pity the poor souls trapped in that cult.

85 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:42:27am

re: #56 Boondock St. Bender

a bing cherry in his butt cheeks.

After growing up in a culture steeped in the traditions best represented by NAMBLA (the old desert saying went: a woman for children, a boy for pleasure), I highly doubt that any of them has a cherry there.

86 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:42:40am

.

87 Spiritualized  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:43:32am

Aisha was 6 not 8.

Why is he lying? Does he think adding two years suddenly makes it acceptable?

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

88 bcgirl  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:43:32am

god g*d,, i am glad i could just read that crap, i could not bear to hear him babble on, the complete hipocracy simply floors me! we don't allow our 8 year olds to have sex, and in fact those who do commit those acts and are caught and convicted go to jail!

islam, the religion of perverts and murderers

89 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:43:35am

re: #83 MandyManners

wonder if the lizard high lord is up to something...

90 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:43:57am

re: #81 right_wing2

'in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins. They permit this.'
---

Rarely? While there are too many sexually active kids, most of them are NOT active, and even fewer are active with men 3 or 4 times their age! In the civilized world, Mo would be considered a pedophile.

Religion of Perverts, maybe?

I had no idea that the members of NAMBLA were Muslims!

91 NY Nana  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:43:57am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if a step-dad can have sex with his teen-aged step-daughter and it be okay.

If she is under age? It should be a crime. I don't think it could be called incest, as she is not his daughter, but in any case, it should be a crime, IMHO, and if the girl's mother found out, and did not press charges against her husband, she is also culpable, morally. As to staying married to the POS? How could she?

/On my way to the vomitoreum.

92 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:44:56am

re: #61 zmdavid

When the state knocks on an abortion clinic's door to investigate statutory rape cases, (wanting to know how a preteen girl got pregnant) they say "get lost".

Oh. Did not know that. That is so wrong.

re: #64 Iron Fist

,

They fight parental notification, even when a judge can stand in for the parents. If we applied abortion logic to the Second Amendment, I'd have the right to a nuclear weapon.

We'd be fighting about whether the government should supply me with a nuclear weapon if I can't afford one.

The fight against parental notification is really to protect the guys who could face a Stat Rape charge. It doesn't protect the girls. Oh, sure, there is the abusive father defense. That is a truly tiny minority.

They are protecting the father from any responsibility.

That is fair, I guess, if the father is denied any part of the choice. But I think the father should be given equal rights to the kid. I think the father should be given equal responsibilities as well.

The pro-choice people give the father a pass. As long as he lets the mother abort the baby.

I see that as wrong.

Well, as long as we're talking about a minor, I reckon the parents should have a say - and yes, the father should share responsibility, of course.

As I said, I did not know about this.

Better to not open the can of worms which this issue represents, methinks, but I learned something here today.

Pretty shocking, actually.

93 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #77 Iron Fist Love you too brother - why not send me an e-mail when you get a chance?

94 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:45:05am

guess i'm not the only one who has to wait for the spinning wheel-o-death to finish before my comment posts

95 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:45:36am

re: #79 MandyManners

Didn't they eventually get married? I'm not excusing it. Just asking.

AFAIK, yes.

It's a great illustration, IMO, of:
(a) how sick Woody is
(b) how sick this "expert" is
(c) how something can give me a sick feeling even if not technically "sick" under the law.

I call (c) "a conscience". Some folks have had theirs removed or beaten severely.

96 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:46:42am

re: #91 NY Nana

If she is under age? It should be a crime. I don't think it could be called incest, as she is not his daughter, but in any case, it should be a crime, IMHO, and if the girl's mother found out, and did not press charges against her husband, she is also culpable, morally. As to staying married to the POS? How could she?

/On my way to the vomitoreum.

I wonder what his friends would say?

97 Ma Sands  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:47:11am

re: #18 MandyManners

I agree. Howsomever, I do think a better use could be made of it --like, collecting it in a receptacle, and placing it upon that guy's desk in front of his face, and turning on our heel and walking out, without a word or any look on our face but a stern warning...and when he looks inside he finds a notice, too, that says all our bombers way up high in the air flying their perpetual circles in readiness, will be dropping irresistible leaflets all over Islam-dom, explaining to the ladies the truth, in words that will immediately pierce their hearts with the realization that they've been had --and then...

): ...my imagination fails at this point... WHAT then...? ):

98 Shug  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:47:13am

No wonder why the ACLU loves Islam

99 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:47:53am

re: #26 realwest

So Muslim men are unable to control their lust? Isn't that what your saying?

Apparently not. That's why Muslim women are forced to wear bags.

100 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:48:09am

re: #96 MandyManners

I wonder what his friends would say?

"Oh look at the happy couple?"

=-P

101 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:48:20am

re: #95 OldLineTexan

AFAIK, yes.

It's a great illustration, IMO, of:
(a) how sick Woody is
(b) how sick this "expert" is
(c) how something can give me a sick feeling even if not technically "sick" under the law.

I call (c) "a conscience". Some folks have had theirs removed or beaten severely.

Islam prevents a conscience. It is a religion of sociopathology/narcissism/psychopathology.

102 Shug  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:48:27am
In some Islamic countries, the age of maturity can be 8 or 10 years.


because they are so advanced , of course.

/

103 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:49:14am
104 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:49:26am

re: #96 MandyManners

woodys friends like it just fine.
in a normal community the guy would be a pariah(ostrosized that is...)

105 jthatcher  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:49:27am

What kind of people state it might be "impossible" to keep a 9 year old girl single?

Could it be "criminals" who talk at length trying to turn wrong into right, Dr. Abd Al-Hamid Al-’Ubeidi?

My suggestion is to stay away from the "stupid" "cold countries." Those in all those "glass houses" there just do not deserve your "noble" intentions nor your "solutions."

106 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:49:28am

Yes, slowness abounds. however, sadly, this is a general issue I have with LGF. I think too much stuff running in the background (not on my PC, on the site, like).

I got logged off as well, wtf?

I disabled ads now, looks a bit faster for it, although still slow compared to most sites.

107 tommygum  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:49:55am

Methinks Stinkey needs a Redbull.

108 HBob  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:49:58am

"Gloria Steinem is unavailable at the moment, please leave a message... "

109 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:50:15am

re: #97 Ma Sands

I agree. Howsomever, I do think a better use could be made of it --like, collecting it in a receptacle, and placing it upon that guy's desk in front of his face, and turning on our heel and walking out, without a word or any look on our face but a stern warning...and when he looks inside he finds a notice, too, that says all our bombers way up high in the air flying their perpetual circles in readiness, will be dropping irresistible leaflets all over Islam-dom, explaining to the ladies the truth, in words that will immediately pierce their hearts with the realization that they've been had --and then...

): ...my imagination fails at this point... WHAT then...? ):

They throw off their shackles and burn their burkhas.

110 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:50:18am

I recently worked with a young African muslim lady. She told me about her cousins back in her village who were almost raped by their step-father while their mother was away. His excuse- he thought they were their mother. Their mother took her husband's side. The two young ladies are now pariahs in their village because they left their mother's home to get away from this creep. Behold the glories of islam!

111 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:50:39am

re: #48 Racer X Nor in mine my friend. This stuff is just, plain sick. And the idea that "infidels" should submit to it is even sicker.

112 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:50:39am

In cold countries, such as Russia, Belarus, Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, and so on, a girl might not reach maturity until she is 22 years old.

Is there a (non-Islamist) doctor in the house?

Is there a shred of truth in this? Is Texas just between Canada and the Magic Kingdom in temperature? Are Canadian girls still "girls" as old as 22? 'Cause it sounds like a freakin' fairy tale to me!

/father of four daughters, owner of gynecologist bills starting at the expected age(s)

113 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:50:48am

re: #100 Hengineer

"Oh look at the happy couple?"

=-P

Ick.

114 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:51:23am
115 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:51:24am

re: #99 right_wing2

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but they force women to pray in the very very very back of the Mosque, often behind a closed door.

I've visited the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, Turkey and that was one thing I noticed.

116 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:51:57am

re: #99 right_wing2


Buy them some picnic tables, stat!

117 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #104 Boondock St. Bender

woodys friends like it just fine.
in a normal community the guy would be a pariah(ostrosized that is...)

I'm sure there is more than one who is disgusted. If I were one, I'd shun him.

118 storagemanager  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:52:54am

re: #65 realwest

Uh, say y'all - is LGF running slow and/or difficult to post/rate on for anyone else?!


yes...having trouble rating...

119 wolfie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:52:58am

re: #65 realwest

Uh, say y'all - is LGF running slow and/or difficult to post/rate on for anyone else?!

I'm not sure.
Either LGF, my computer, my server, or I seem to have one too many margaritas last night.

PS--- MGLA ? Muslim Goat Love Association?

120 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:53:00am

re: #113 MandyManners

Ick.

I apologize for offending you milady.

121 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:53:33am

re: #90 Hengineer


MEMGLA, maybe (Middle Eastern Men/Girl...)?

122 troonbop  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:54:10am

"Many criminals, the enemies of Islam"

Hey, I got a mention!

123 Shug  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:54:10am
In some Islamic countries, the maximum age of maturity can be is 8 or 10 years.

fixed

124 NY Nana  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:54:11am

re: #96 MandyManners

I wonder what his friends would say?

Goodby, and FOAD, Perv?

125 samsgran1948  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:54:36am

re: #36 I_Invented_Al_Gore

Wait a minute. So if a refugee girl and her family is taken in by a Muslim guy, and he finds her attractive, then he can avoid sin by marrying her. This speaker in the video says that now that they are married, the hypothetical guy will not have sex with the child-bride, not even when she is nearly of age to "really" get married. Then he can divorce the young woman, without ever having had sex with her, and she can marry someone her own age.

I have a few questions.

Exactly which sin is this hypothetical guy avoiding by marrying an underage girl, if he never has sex with her?

Why would this guy want to marry an underage girl if he is never going to have sex with her?

What does this kind of arrangement (be "married" and then divorced) do to the emotional stability of the hypothetical girl?

Does Islam care about women at all?

Why don't feminists say something about this nonsense?

Yeah, I caught that oxymoron, too.

He might lust after her and have intercourse with her if she was merely living with his family. But if he marries her, he instantly loses all sexual interest in her, so her virginity is safe until he divorces her and she marries her "real" husband.

But doesn't that imply that upon marriage, all Muslim men lose sexual interest in their wives, so that all "good" Muslim women remain perpetural virgins? Is that how they tell that a Muslim wife has been unfaithful -- by the mere fact that she is pregnant? It must have been sex out of marriage since her husband has absolutely no sexual interest in her. (It's either proof of out-of-wedlock sex or there are one hell of a lot of "immaculate conceptions" in the Muslim world.)

126 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:54:47am

re: #115 Hengineer

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but they force women to pray in the very very very back of the Mosque, often behind a closed door.

I've visited the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, Turkey and that was one thing I noticed.

maybe it's better that way. At least the women can't hear the IMAMS rants and raves as well.

127 zombie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:55:12am

re: #87 Spiritualized

Aisha was 6 not 8.

Why is he lying? Does he think adding two years suddenly makes it acceptable?

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310

Actually, the Arabs used (and still use) the lunar calendar, which is totally out of whack with the true solar year. The Arab year has 354 days, which is 11.25 days shorter than an actual year.

6 x 11.25 = 68 days

68 ÷ 365 = 18.6

Which means there is an 18.6% chance that, in biological years, Aisha was actually FIVE years old when he married her.

9 x 11.25 = 101 days

101 ÷ 365 = 27.6

Which means there is a 27.6% chance that Aisha was EIGHT years old when Mo had sex with her.

128 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:55:12am

this evil man sits there saying the most insane absurd things to justify molesting little girls. moslems have been totally brain washed by the pedophile founder of their screed. it's not a religion. it's a sickness.

129 realwest  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:55:52am

re: #110 Sharmuta "Their mother took her husband's side. The two young ladies are now pariahs in their village because they left their mother's home to get away from this creep." [emphasis added, realwest]
I will NEVER understand the desire some "men" have for sex with young girls. And the whole idea of a father raping his own daughters - notwithstanding his bullshit reason - just makes me nauseous and ANGRY.
They are not "civilized" and their "religion" is not a religion, it's a damn CULT.
That so called "civilized" societies permit this to exist is beyond my ability to comprehend.

130 wolfie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:56:06am

re: #79 MandyManners

Didn't they eventually get married? I'm not excusing it. Just asking.

The girl in question was 19 years old.

131 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:56:19am

re: #120 Hengineer

I apologize for offending you milady.

You didn't. Just the notion did.

132 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:57:25am

re: #126 sattv4u2

maybe it's better that way. At least the women can't hear the IMAMS rants and raves as well.

Oh I think they can still hear it...yet the reason given for this was that again Muslim Men can't be trusted to control themselves around women, as if lust was a sin to be prevented, instead of controlled.

133 slartybartfast  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:57:55am

re: #12 zmdavid

Is there adoption in Islam? If you want to take in an orphan refugee, do you have to marry her?

Adoption?!? How 'bout this (excerpted from The Truth about Mohammed...)

[Regarding] one of Mohammad's wives, Zaynab bint Jahsh. Zaynab had been married to Muhammad's adopted Sayd bin Haritha...Zaynab bint Jahsh was apparently remarkably beautiful. According to the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, an ancient Islamic commentary on the Qur'an, after her marriage to Zayd, "Muhammad's eye fell on her..."

Mohammad subsequently received a revelation from Allah that his adopted son was not really his "son," so that marriage to Mo's daughter-in-law wasn't really a problem.

033.004
YUSUFALI:

Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way.

/spit

134 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:58:50am

re: #131 MandyManners

You didn't. Just the notion did.

I agree too...yet that's my kind of humor. =-P

135 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:58:51am

re: #130 wolfie

The girl in question was 19 years old.

But, still.

136 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:59:47am

re: #134 Hengineer

I agree too...yet that's my kind of humor. =-P

I reckon being out in the middle of nowhere can get to you.

137 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:59:48am

re: #135 MandyManners

How old was Anna Nicole when she married that 80 something year old man?

138 CrimsonFisted  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:00:38am
Most of the time we act according to what is acceptable to most people,


Ummm, exactly who would that be? Not those of us in the West, that is for sure.

139 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #136 MandyManners

I reckon being out in the middle of nowhere can get to you.

Hah you have no idea...you should hear some of the conversations we have.

Wait nevermind you shouldn't ;-)

140 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #132 Hengineer

Oh I think they can still hear it...yet the reason given for this was that again Muslim Men can't be trusted to control themselves around women, as if lust was a sin to be prevented, instead of controlled.

I know ,, sorry ,, I was attempting sarcasm ,, it was apparantly lost somewhere in the bag !

141 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:01:19am

re: #137 Hengineer

How old was Anna Nicole when she married that 80 something year old man?

Old enough to count into the MILLIONS !

142 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:02:03am

re: #140 sattv4u2

I know ,, sorry ,, I was attempting sarcasm ,, it was apparantly lost somewhere in the bag !

I found it though...just more to the explanation =-P

Its not as if they get anything out of it, the only way Muslim women can get into heaven is to be a virgin, and even then they have to serve a jihadist...apparently.

143 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:02:12am
144 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:04:01am

re: #115 Hengineer

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but they force women to pray in the very very very back of the Mosque, often behind a closed door.

I've visited the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, Turkey and that was one thing I noticed.

Yes, men and women are completely separated at prayers in mosques. It ranges from a sort of "wall" to just keeping a clear distance between where the men and the women are congregating.

However, it's not completely unique to islam. In almost all synagogues you have separation between men and women. In Haredi (observant Jewish-) society there's a lot of separation between the sexes.

Still, no legal or condoned sex with 8-year olds, though.

145 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:05:51am

re: #130 wolfie

The girl in question was 19 years old.

Sure, when they got married.

How old was she when she became his stepdaughter, i.e. came to live in his house?

Therein lies the parallel I drew using the situation.

Not an equivalence, but a parallel.

/Woody is still a sick SOB, IMO

146 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:08:36am

re: #129 realwest

realwest- I must correct you- it was their step-father who tried to rape them- not that it makes it any better. I fear for these girls' safety- I was told there was no money to get them out of that village. And I find it just as sick that the mother would side against her daughters. When a muslim man cannot control his sexual urges- it is the female's fault for being female, not his own lack of restraint that is the problem. That's beyond twisted.

147 Hengineer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:09:06am

re: #144 Golden Jerusalem

Yes, men and women are completely separated at prayers in mosques. It ranges from a sort of "wall" to just keeping a clear distance between where the men and the women are congregating.

However, it's not completely unique to islam. In almost all synagogues you have separation between men and women. In Haredi (observant Jewish-) society there's a lot of separation between the sexes.

Still, no legal or condoned sex with 8-year olds, though.

As well as I bet the reason for the separation of men and women in Haredi has nothing to do with the inability of men to control their lustful gaze and attitudes towards women.

148 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:10:41am

CHARLES,,, me'thinks hamsters # 1,3 and 6 need COFFEE

149 Dianna  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:16:02am

I can't say anything about this.

150 shibumi  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:16:47am

re: #103 Iron Fist

,

It is a Religion of Pedophilia. They all believe it. It's OK for a 52 year old to fuck a 9 year old.

They all believe it.

They also believe that they way to great groupsex in Heaven is to blow yourself up to kill infedels.

They all believe it.

All of them. There are no moderate Muslims.

I suspect that their psyches are so collectively twisted, that they HAVE to believe these things. If they started questioning their beliefs, they might all have terrifying, cognitive dissonance induced meltdowns. Which, in the long run, would make them (and us) better off.

151 ciaospirit  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:26:30am

re: #133 slartybartfast

Mohammad subsequently received a revelation from Allah

Ahh. The old "subsequent revelation" trick. Mo did that a lot.

152 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #147 Hengineer

As well as I bet the reason for the separation of men and women in Haredi has nothing to do with the inability of men to control their lustful gaze and attitudes towards women.

Err. I'm no expert and I could well get in trouble with the skullcaps for this, but...kind of, actually.

However, Haredi society operates more on peer-enforced pressure to uphold certain norms (such as covered-up women, etc.). It's not violent in the sense that islam is.

Although, having said that, it's been reported that thugs in religious neighborhoods have on occasions attacked women who weren't dressed modestly enough for their taste, for instance.

Still, a far cry from what we're discussing in islam though.

153 Golden Jerusalem  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:29:10am

Oh, LGF works again?

154 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:30:17am

Latest news:
Jerry Lee Lewis says he's converting to Islam.
There's a young relative he's in love with.

155 TS  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:35:59am

We don't allow little girls to fornicate. BUt we do arrest 53 year old men who rape 9 year olds!

156 HHC 2-2 SCR  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:36:38am

WTF is wrong with these people!
How can the west and the left ignore this garbage and pass it off as cultural differences!
Culture my ass! Ain't no culture there that I ever want to be associated with!
My husband is fighting to help these people, my friends husband died to help these people.
I have never been against the war and I understand the reason we are fighting the way we are. I understand the hearts and mind thing and I understand the strategic value of having 2 more allies buffering Iran, but when I read things like this it makes me sick. Is this what my friend lost her husband for? Is this what their children lost their father for, this culture of sickness and hate.

157 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:37:28am

re: #5 MandyManners

I wonder how many little girls he has molested.

Just Nambling along.

158 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:41:21am

Now I know there's a problem with what is called 'under-age sex', i.e. teenagers dating etc - but I have never ever seen a teenager date a fifty-year old man, not voluntarily.

What sick and dirty minds they all have, these muslim so-called 'scholars'.

159 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:48:54am

re: #127 zombie

Which means there is a 27.6% chance that Aisha was EIGHT years old when Mo had sex with her.

What are the odds that (gasp) there never was a Mo?

160 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:50:11am

re: #137 Hengineer

How old was Anna Nicole when she married that 80 something year old man?

Mental age?

161 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:50:40am

how much of the general public knows abt. this brutal islamic crime against little girls. we need another movie.

162 ladycatnip  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:57:18am
Many criminals, the enemies of Islam, ask: “How could the Prophet Muhammad, at 52 years of age, marry ‘Aisha when she was only 8 years old, and consummate the marriage when she was 9 years old?” I say to them: People who live in glass houses shouldn't’t throw stones. Why do you permit your young girls to fornicate? They consider it one of their liberties. Therefore, in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins.

We're both criminal and stupid unless we legalize pedophilia.

163 kilroy  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:57:48am

Here, in Seattle, 13 and 14 year olds having abortions are "young women", I believe rights to privacy protect the "partner" and prohibit parental notification.Who's on the cultural high ground?

164 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:04:04pm

re: #155 TS

Thats what burns his biscuits!if his hero lived in the u.s. he'd be behind bars trying to convert his new roomie/boyfriend.

165 strandedSF  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:09:22pm

I hate to disagree with Charles, but the lunatic is right about one thing.

The fact that we allow young girls to have sex without condemnation, that schools and clinics allow them to get abortions without notifying their parents, and clinics do not report the older men who have impregnated them to the authorities shows that we really do not respect young girls at all. What we respect is men's right to have sex with little girls with no moral, legal, social or biological consequences. And that is very wrong.

166 mikeinmd  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:12:27pm

Follow the Muslim logic :

1. In Islam, women are dogs.

2. Dog years to human years = 7

3. Aisha(8) X 7 = 56 dog years.

4. Mo had sex with an older woman.

5. Why do you think we make them wear bags ? Nobody wants to look at a 350 yr old.

Sick bastards, the lot of them.
/SPIT

167 jemima  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:12:54pm

I like the islamic science. Girls in Scandinavia mature at age 22 because it's cold, but in hot climes, those little babies are hot hot hot. "Come and get your hot babies, fresh and hot, side of falafel!"

168 ladycatnip  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:24:17pm

#68 zombie

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if a step-dad can have sex with his teen-aged step-daughter and it be okay.

No, it is not! She must be executed immediately!

After she's been given 200 lashes.

169 Lumyrra  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:30:45pm

re: #15 zombie

So, if he takes her in as an orphan, he might have sex "commit a sin" with her, but he won't if he marries her? Wha?

170 shiek al beif salami  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:34:32pm

They said right at the start of the video that the guy's name was Wahdi al-Lin.

/

171 InternationalObserver  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:34:36pm

I have a major challenge to Lizards.

I realise the purpose of LGF to be discussion and news, not political activity. However, the question must still be asked.

Instead of bitching about the Islamic threat, what can LGF/Lizards do constructively (other than, for example, supporting McCain) to make western governments take this threat seriously?

What can be done to stop the creeping dhimmitude of the west?

172 MacGiolaPhadraig  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:40:25pm

re: #171 InternationalObserver


Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

173 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:45:46pm
174 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:46:38pm

re: #165 strandedSF

I hate to disagree with Charles, but the lunatic is right about one thing.

The fact that we allow young girls to have sex without condemnation, that schools and clinics allow them to get abortions without notifying their parents, and clinics do not report the older men who have impregnated them to the authorities shows that we really do not respect young girls at all. What we respect is men's right to have sex with little girls with no moral, legal, social or biological consequences. And that is very wrong.

You are kidding right?

Since when did pedophilia become a “right” , not a crime in America and communities happily accept convicted pedophiles living there? And then we must not have any type of statutory rape laws in this country.

175 UberInfidel67  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:47:07pm

re: #126 sattv4u2 Hopefully they are sitting in the very very very back plotting the demise of those up front who want to take advantage of their daughters.

176 koedo  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:50:48pm

Just when you think you've heard of the true depth of islamic/sharia madness, another scholar/cleric/imam will extend that depth of depravity.

Does this ruling apply to farm animals?

Farm animals are expensive and, after all, your daughters are really just an expense. An expense you might not even recover even with the dowry! What's a good muslim father to do? If you think about it, there's a good chance you might be the one that kills them both. And if I can give away my goats why can't I give away my daughters? So, I guess sharia law took that into account; to ensure that daughters are not worth too much more than a good, young, healthy goat.

177 didache  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:53:45pm

Can any Canadians clear this up for me. Is this guy right when he says Canadian girls don't have a period until there 22 because it's so cold? I mean the rest made perfect sense otherwise...

178 Roger  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:54:00pm

So maturation rate is temperature dependent. Who knew.

179 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:59:18pm

re: #98 Shug

No wonder why the ACLU loves Islam

Same way they adore and defend The North American Man Boy Love Assassination (NAMBLA)...

180 mich-again  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 1:00:13pm

re: #171 InternationalObserver

I learn here and then spread the knowledge to others in conversations. I don't beat people over the head with information and opinions, but I do my best to educate people about radical Islam that poses as moderate Islam, especially to the die-hard Democrats I live around and work with. I doubt I can make them change their party or their vote but if you can provide them with real information that they can easily verify that belies the Run DNC talking points, then it will at least plant a seed of doubt in their mind. And thats about the best you can do. Nudge other people to doubt what they've been told and invite them to research it for themselves.

181 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 1:02:29pm

re: #165 strandedSF

Age of consent laws aren't enough of a condemnation for you? "We" don't allow it, but parents not pressing charges are.

182 xleatherneck[deleted]  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 1:13:05pm
183 We need G.C. Scott  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 1:15:24pm

"What we respect is men's right to have sex with little girls with no moral,legal,social or biological consequences."
-strandedSF

What's with this "we",you carrying a turd in your pocket?

Just because some lunatic organizations and their lobbyists have managed to make some legal inroads in furthering an intended agenda of societal decay doesn't even remotely equate to that "we" of society condoning such behaviors,attitudes and the atmospheres they seek to cultivate.

The prevailing societal attitude does shun pedophiles. It does incarcerate them,(and God help them in the general prison population)forces them to identify themselves to their new neighbors upon release. Neighbors ,who for the most part,shall then treat them as lepers.

Regarding "sex without condemnation" the vast majority of involved parents certainly support their sons and daughters,even should they make errors in judgment,but hardly give them a free pass. Don't presume to equate the desires and goals of fifth columnists and their allies with those of the world at large which incidentally,possesses a variety of hubs and airports and train stations offering refuge from any stranded in SF,provided a true desire to emigrate exists.

184 Miss Trixie  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 1:59:31pm

re: #19 mbruce

There is a very deep fear and hatred of women in this cult. Why are the men such friggin' weanies? They make Beta males look positively Alpha.

This might provide a few answers.

185 Pickle  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:05:04pm

Keep in mind that this isn't merely a general defense of Islamic pedophilia; this is a very specific effort to defend the practice, which has been going on since the 1990s, of wealthy arab men from gulf states purchasing and/or kidnapping the child refugees from the war in Bosnia. White sex slaves are priceless to these ogres, doubly-so when they can be geniunely considered Muslims, and triply-so when they're children.

186 400lb Gorilla  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:14:01pm

CUNNING STUNT! I would like to marry his 6 year old daughter.

187 TexasAC  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:15:18pm

Maybe the reason behind the feminists' silence on this Islamic deviant treatment of young girls and women, is maybe they dream of subservience and copulation with these male animals. No girlie-men for them...eh butch?

188 gatorbait  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:25:37pm

Why is this subject a matter of discussion? The notion that THE PROPHET had carnal knowledge of a child renders him and his religion pure evil.

Multiculturalism be damned!

189 Wilderstad  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:31:22pm

re: #26 realwest

Huffa Puffa, huffa puffa - whew! Gee Charles you're really on a roll today!
Good morning to you.

This is absolutely the biggest bunch of horseshit I've read in a looong time.
" and eventually commit a sin, even though his intentions were noble." Uh huh. So Muslim men are unable to control their lust? Isn't that what your saying?
And I reckon that kind of logic applies to Mohammed - who had the decency to wait until she was 9 years old to rape have intercourse with her?
And I guess a girl simply getting her period makes her sexually "mature"?
And I'll wager there are more 10 and 11 year old virgins in the US then there are goats in Muslim countries, too.
What a scumbag you are. Why don't you simply start a muslims only, females instead of boys version of NAMBLA. Maybe call it MGLA?


Do you know what's really obnoxious? Ayesha, Mohammed's child bride, had no children herself. Can you guess why? It's called lack of physical maturity, let alone emotional and mental. That girl was owned, body, soul and mind by this excuse for a man.
The number of Muslim girls with gynecological damage or vaginal fistulas is staggering where child marriage is common. If they don't die in childbirth those poor children are then shunned because they cannot contain their bodily waste materials. All voluntary control over them is gone.

190 opinionated  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:34:18pm

Required courses for becoming a Sharia expert.

Pervert 101
Advanced Pervert
Beheading 101
Beheading 201
Advanced threatening methods
Acting as victim 101

Work Study- How to build a suicide vest.

Gym

191 InternationalObserver  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:34:32pm

re: #173 ploome hineni

any criticism or condemnation is cultural insenstivity, arrogance, supremist and racist

You are correct - that's typical loony-left.

Allow me to point out that a great way of fighting the loony-left is to turn this leftist terminology against them.

For example, the left insists superficial references to religion in American law to breach church-state separation. So, the easy response is to ask the left why it supports Islamic governments (from Qaddafi to Hizbullah) which breach church-state separation.

As another example, the loony-left terms "cultural insensitivity":
- attempts by the west to "impose" western-style democracy in the Mideast
- attempts by the west to "impose" secularity in the Mideast
- western opposition to such quanit cultural practices as the burqa, female genital mutilation, etc.

So, when the loony-left criticises Israel for superficial religious influence upon its mostly secular law, I simply accuse the left of ... you guessed it ... cultural insensitivity.

Or, the loony-left accuse the US and Israel of neo-imperialism. So, I just point out to the left that the biggest source of neo-imperialism in the Mideast is ... Iran, meddling to de-stabilise other states (Lebanon, Iraq, Israel) and trying to impose its power and values. That is neo-imperialism to a tee.

I'm not sure I'm expressing myself clearly, but I hope the point is clear: Use the left's own terminology against them. It confuses them.

192 kansas  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:35:30pm

Many criminals, the enemies of Islam, ask: “How could the Prophet Muhammad, at 52 years of age, marry ‘Aisha when she was only 8 years old, and consummate the marriage when she was 9 years old?”

The prophet had self control. He waited a year. Praise Allah. I think I could be an Islamic Scholar.

193 Roger  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:37:28pm

They're also sliding the time; Aisha was 6 years old when Mohammed the pedophile married her.

194 _remembertonyc  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:39:42pm

Where is the women's movement? Why is there not a peep from those so called protectors of women? This culture is a blot on the planet. A deadly combo of child molestors and nazis ...

/spit

195 uptight  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:40:46pm

That's a keeper.

Next time anyone accuses me of a "hate crime" for suggesting that the great prophet Mohammed was a kiddy-fiddler, I can produce this video and say "not only does this Islamic expert confirm that Mo was a nonce, but he also says that being a pedo is legal under sharia law".

196 uptight  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:44:12pm

It's usually during discussions of Big Mo's pedophilia that you get the rare phenomena of Muslims saying that the Haddiths are wrong.

Most other times, they are 100% perfect in word and spirit, and you are a racist for suggesting otherwise.

197 Jeffersonian  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:47:39pm

Well there goes my idea for an Islamic "Barely Legal" pr0n site.

198 Aussie Infidel  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:51:40pm

Luke 17 : 2

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.


This Islamist pig is going to get his eventually folks... BIG time! Is he ever going to get the shock of his ...death

199 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:53:35pm

How long before all perverts switch to Islam?
F-ing lawyers will use Islam to keep the perverts free.
Sharia law is creeping in already

200 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:53:57pm

An off-color true story:

In college, when I was 18 (I was legal to drink back then), I went to this one party and started talking to a couple of girls. They looked young, but I had no idea they were so young. We were drinking, they were flirting. The party attracted the attention of the police as college parties do. I was still sober enough to ask the girls before the police got around to talk to us, "Just how old are you?" "14" "13" "Oh, sh*t. OK, pour out your drinks, and go hide, leave, whatever—just go." The police decided we were causing little more harm than keeping neighbors awake. They warned us to keep it down and left. The girls reappeared, but I avoided them for the rest of the night.

I had an acquaintance at college from Kuwait. The morning after that party he was talking about these girls he met and ... I told him their ages. He didn't care. I told him about US rape laws. He didn't care. I asked him about his feelings for the girls. He didn't care.

Until Jihad Watch and LGF I could never figure out what was going on in his head.

201 sk  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 2:56:21pm

Suggestion: As all these cretins are "doctors," of sharia, or something like that, and are unqualified from Western perspective, shouldn't we put quotation marks around "Dr."?

I don't see any reason to allow these guys to pretend to be intellectuals.

202 mosquewatch  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:01:22pm

Wow, we as a Nation should be really proud as we send our sons and daughters off to fight and die so that pedophiles can have democracy...

203 Droplet  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:03:38pm

Your tax dollars paid for that television studio. Thanks, George!

204 Chris in Toronto  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:05:40pm

yeegads!

great comments, everyone.

205 JenBee  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:09:19pm

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Totally appropriate since this guy is a stain on humanity...

[Link: mytalkingstain.com...]

Move your cursor over the three stains on the left, and just tell me it doesn't sound like three muslims discussing how much they hate America.

LMFAOOO!

206 mosquewatch  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:11:26pm

What's could be next in Muslims lands ? Ahhh I know...

"When 8 year old girls gone wild videos. "

Diseased vermin scum. ROPMA my arse.

207 Bard  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:11:30pm

re: #171 InternationalObserver

I have a major challenge to Lizards.

I realise the purpose of LGF to be discussion and news, not political activity. However, the question must still be asked.

Instead of bitching about the Islamic threat, what can LGF/Lizards do constructively (other than, for example, supporting McCain) to make western governments take this threat seriously?

What can be done to stop the creeping dhimmitude of the west?

Well, first there's the question of what oil we buy.This list offers a run-down of which companies to go to and which to avoid; however; it hasn't been updated in around eight months, so if someone has something more recent, it's that.

Then, we can put out money where it really counts: for example, in the Ayaan Hirsi Ali Security Trust Fund.

But most importantly, we have to make ourselves heard in public. The blogosphere may be the best place to turn from mainstream media filtering, but if you're in one alignment, you'll usually remain within the bubble of your corresponding blogosphere. Propaganda posters, demonstrations, things like that German group who veiled all the statues of women to make a statement - publicity stunts, essentially. We sorely need them.

208 Mardukhai  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:12:09pm

HELP!

How do I download this clip?

Zamzar and others don't work.

209 elvula  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:23:18pm

1. There are no "moderate muslims", all await the global caliphate.

2. Those that speak against islam and for freedom are known as "apostates".

Very simple.

210 JenBee  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:29:56pm

Mr Wilders next film should be all about the Islamic prophet Mohammed. Just quotes on a screen superimposed with photos of young girls in full bridal garb as they are forced to marry old men, with a few headlines from around the world of the countless forced marriages between young girls and old men.

Guess that would be 'un-Islamic' as well, eh?

I'm SO freakin' sick and tired of this 'religion' and I REALLY HOPE I am alive when all the oil in the middle east runs out and muslims are left with no more power, looking confused and holding their dick while standing in the wasteland litterbox that is their countries.

*hack spit*

211 infidel4ever  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:32:11pm
In Yemen, a girl might get her period at the age of 8. In cold countries, such as Russia, Belarus, Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, and so on, a girl might not reach maturity until she is 22 years old. She might not get her period until then.

Oh well, with the help of global warming our girls will catch up eventually.

And I am always dumbstruck at the way these guys can spout absolute rubbish with a straight face. I have noticed they don't seem to go in for studio audiences much though...

212 Wilderstad  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:32:27pm

re: #177 didache

Can any Canadians clear this up for me. Is this guy right when he says Canadian girls don't have a period until there 22 because it's so cold? I mean the rest made perfect sense otherwise...

It's not true, The median age of menses has dropped by one year so the medical community says, so that's at 12 rather than 13.
When a girl hits 100 pounds is the most determinant factor of when menses will start according to doctors. So the better fed may have their period earlier.

213 medaura18586  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:35:40pm

Muslim Albanian girls in Bosnia Herzegovina?

If these jihadist douche-bags really want to try and exploit the wars in the Balkans for their own perverse purposes, they may try to at least learn the geography, history, and demographics of the peoples involved in the region.

There are no Albanians in Bosnia, only in Kosovo, and the two provinces aren't even in geographic contact with one another. What is this ignorant douche talking about!

214 dak  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:37:32pm
In cold countries, such as Russia, Belarus, Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, and so on, a girl might not reach maturity until she is 22 years old. She might not get her period until then.

He then goes on to say that 10-12 year old girls get abortions in the infidel countries...

Anyway, I remember that in college, the girls were mature over here. Quite so. The ones I checked out anyways.

215 medaura18586  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:39:02pm

New Zealand is a cold country? Yeah, girls in "cold" countries don't get their period until they are 22 years old.

Oh brother...

216 wanumba  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:44:46pm

Huh.
Guess they were getting some heat there. This is a rather defensive rant, actually.
Good! Make them defend the indefensible.

As far as recent slavery in Europe - just look at the boundries of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman's maintained the practice of harems for girls and slavery of boys plucked out of Westernized Europe and fed into Easternized Ottoman Europe.

It explains a lot about the attitudes one finds in regions like the Balkans.

217 medaura18586  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:45:09pm

uh... and he says a girl would get pregnant and have an abortion from having sex with her girlfriend?

...this shit is pretty far-fetched

218 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:45:52pm

re: #217 medaura18586

LOL!

219 USBeast  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:49:02pm

It's obvious that Islam's sexual and marital laws codify and validate the secret sexual fantasies of 14 year old boys.

This schmuck is a Doctor?

220 Areopagitica  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:51:47pm

I wonder if this sharia law expert will one day appear on one of those "To Catch a Predator" specials they have on Dateline NBC. I wouldn't be shocked.

221 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:52:39pm

Literal interpretation of Islam equates to allowing for child abuse on levels not even touched by this speaker... (think Beslan)
Therefore Islam itself must go the way of the dinosaurs... for the children's sake...

222 medaura18586  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:53:18pm

my one serious question is: why is the perverted charlatan allowed on Iraqi TV? Is this what US troops are dying for?

223 strandedSF  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 4:21:08pm

re: #174 DownRightMeanAmerican

You are kidding right?

Since when did pedophilia become a “right” , not a crime in America and communities happily accept convicted pedophiles living there? And then we must not have any type of statutory rape laws in this country.

Sorry for the late reply.

I'm not talking about "convicted pedophiles." That's the whole point. Statutory rape laws are not being observed. For instance, if a medical doctor suspects a 13-year-old girl is being physically abused by her parents, he is mandated by law to report his suspicions to the authorities. But if he suspects a 13-year-old girl has been impregnated by an adult, he is not mandated to report this to the authorities. There is an epidemic of young girls being impregnated by adult men; they usually go on to abort the child to avoid getting the men in trouble. It's okay with the authorities. It's okay with the doctors. It's certainly okay with the perpetrators.

That's what I'm talking about and no, I'm not kidding.

224 strandedSF  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 4:23:49pm

re: #181 Sharmuta

No, "age of consent" laws are not enough condemnation for me. We have young girls on television dressed like strippers, and parents whose answer to the objectification and sexualization of their daughters is to take them to get birth control pills. I don't call that condemnation. I call that capitulation to evil.

225 strandedSF  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 4:31:26pm

re: #183 We need G.C. Scott

"What we respect is men's right to have sex with little girls with no moral,legal,social or biological consequences."
-strandedSF

What's with this "we",you carrying a turd in your pocket?

Regarding "sex without condemnation" the vast majority of involved parents certainly support their sons and daughters,even should they make errors in judgment,but hardly give them a free pass. Don't presume to equate the desires and goals of fifth columnists and their allies with those of the world at large which incidentally,possesses a variety of hubs and airports and train stations offering refuge from any stranded in SF,provided a true desire to emigrate exists.

1. I don't know why you are personally attacking me. I didn't personally attack anyone in this forum and I would appreciate receiving the same respect in return.

2. It's true that the "vast majority of involved parents certainly support their sons and daughters." It's also true that the vast majority of parents are not "involved." Ergo, the vast majority of people in the West don't know or care that 13-year-olds are aborting the babies of 25-year-olds as teachers, doctors and parents look the other way.

3. Where I live and my reasons for living there are none of your business. You don't know anything about me so don't presume to bully me about my choices.

226 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:06:59pm

re: #224 strandedSF

While I don't disagree with you that the sexualization of young girls isn't troubling, I have to say it is also part of living in a free society. Our laws condemn sex below a certain age. That the law is not upheld by the parents of the minors is not in my control or yours. It is the parents who must press charges- for whatever reason(s)- sometimes they don't. That parents allow their daughters to watch and emulate questionable role models is not in my control. It is the darker side of free societies. Of course- the islamic solution is to shove women in burqas and keep them under lock and key. Is that what we should do? Dictate to women and girls what they should and should not wear? Or perhaps we should force sexual segregation so hormones do not get the better of our young people? Or maybe we should take children away from their families who aren't paying attention or care what their children are doing? That ain't freedom...it's more like...islam.

227 Jaydee  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:18:11pm

Some people shouldn't be allowed to breathe fresh air, this nasty evil low life is one of 'em.

228 WrathofG-d  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:30:26pm
They permit this. They have even legislated laws stating that if a girl is under the age of 18, and her girlfriend [sic] or whatever has had sex with her, she has the right to have an abortion. How can you permit the outcome without accepting the cause? Why do you allow your girls to have sex and say this is an individual liberty? It is okay to fornicate with girls there or force them to have sex, and so on, and they have the right to have an abortion. If you permit all this before the age [of 18], without a marriage contract and without any legal grounds – how come you forbid marriage?

--He does kinda have a point.

229 wanumba  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:30:31pm

I'd normally just view but this is a bit too much:
re: #225 strandedSF

It's true that the "vast majority of involved parents certainly support their sons and daughters." It's also true that the vast majority of parents are not "involved."

How on Earth can there be TWO "vast majorities?"
There is a MAJORITY which is complemented in the mathematical term by a MINORITY to make the ONE whole.

Ergo, the vast majority of people in the West don't know or care that 13-year-olds are aborting the babies of 25-year-olds as teachers, doctors and parents look the other way.

Uh, given the statement that preceeds this "ergo" isn't quite the right term.

Therefore, let's state something that can be substantiated by statistics: the vast majority of people in the West DO KNOW and DO CARE about what their children do, and teach such timeless and universally sensible Western concepts as Rule No. 1: Don't pick on someone smaller than you and No. 2 : The stronger should protect the weaker.
So when that Islamofascist apologist up there on the video is making his pathetically grotesque case for cowardly grown men to BULLY little children 'cause they evidently get NOWHERE with ADULT WOMEN, he is using a strawman of his own construction.

230 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:37:57pm

re: #223 strandedSF
re: #165 strandedSF

clinics do not report the older men who have impregnated them to the authorities shows that we really do not respect young girls at all. What we respect is men's right to have sex with little girls with no moral, legal, social or biological consequences. And that is very wrong.

I think you are wrong, 99% of Americans do not support older adult men impregnating under age girls. Just because clinics are not mandated to report suspicions impregnations does not infer the rest of America supports illegal activities, perhaps these Americans already see it as illegal so they feel no point in adding more laws to already existing laws.

Its akin to saying all Americans support a murders rights to murder because some guy somewhere murders someone and gets away with it.

There is an epidemic of young girls being impregnated by adult men; they usually go on to abort the child to avoid getting the men in trouble. It's okay with the authorities. It's okay with the doctors. It's certainly okay with the perpetrators.

Its an older report from 1997, but social norms haven’t changed that much so I don’t see how 8% would ever constitute an epidemic. Just because prosecutions are not 100% of all crimes committed, known and unknown alike, does not mean that law enforcement or Doctors or other authorities condone them.

Only 8% of all births to 15–19-year-olds are to unmarried minors with a partner five or more years older. (Family Planning Perspectives, 29:61–66, 1997)

231 wanumba  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:44:58pm

re: #228 WrathofG-d

--He does kinda have a point.


Wait!
Forbidding marriage before a certain age was to set a standard of behavior - and goes waaay back. There has always been sex, but it is in society's interest to help families, and individuals give children, especially girls, a chance to mature.
In the Judeo-Christian culture, a marriage is a partnership of consenting and reasonably matched bride and groom. Therefore, they are more likely of similar age - one doesn't have a huge advantage over the other. They become a team, growing together through sharing and sacrificing for each other and the raising of children. It's seems a slow start, but makes very strong families and then communities.
In other cultures, especially polygamous, older men sweep up all the females (usuallu by age 13) before the young men who would be better partners - and thus young males have no hope of marrying; young girls are completely dominated by the older man, thus there is no team, just procreation. No partnership, just commodities. Weak families, weak communities.

The argument about allowing sex and abortion but not marriage presumes it all came about at the same time, but legalized abortion is a recent addition, along with the concept of free sex that is not found far from it, and is a subversive assault on the foundations of marriage.
So, don't think there is a good point made there - just a sly attempt to make it seem illogical.

232 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:48:54pm

re: #228 WrathofG-d

Why do you allow your girls to have sex and say this is an individual liberty? It is okay to fornicate with girls there or force them to have sex, and so on, and they have the right to have an abortion. If you permit all this before the age [of 18], without a marriage contract and without any legal grounds – how come you forbid marriage?

Well if western society accepts adultery for adults and claims it to be an individual liberty, then how could they possibly require or expect under age girls or boys to be married before they have sex?

233 Mo86  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:49:05pm

I continue to be amazed at the perverted, sick things taught by and permitted by this 'religion'.

And yet people CONTINUE to defend it.

234 WrathofG-d  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:56:29pm

re: #231 wanumba

The part I agree with this guy about is that our culture too has its faults. They aren't equal to the faults of Arab/Muslim culture, but our society has been in a downward slide for a while now.

The "Sharia Experts" point about how Western society gives children the "right" to have sex, but at the same time disallows their ability to get married, and this is hypocriticial, to me, is a valid one.

It is stupid that we say that little girls are mature enough to have sex, make the decision about aborting a baby (usually without any adult input), but NOT mature enough to get married.

Personally, I don't think we as a Western society should promote any of those options for a little girl or boy. Its not that one is ok & the other is not but that all are wrong.

Our society should not allow children the "right" to an abortion, advocate, excuse, or promote their having sex, AND they shouldn't be able to marry!

The wrongs of Arab/Muslim society do not make the wrongs of Western society right.

235 WrathofG-d  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:57:35pm

re: #232 DownRightMeanAmerican

You are probably right, but Western society should not accept adultery either.

We need to clean up our house too.

236 wanderer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 6:13:13pm

Islam is such a debauched cult and ideology of depravity that it can not see that it "schoars and clerics ceaselessly displays its feces defiled underside for all the world to see when it seeks to demonstrate its moral superiority over the kuffar world.

237 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 6:16:37pm

re: #235 WrathofG-d

As a former adulterer, I could not agree more.

I did not understand this as a young male, now I see the light, sex has been very cheapened in our western society, well except for Spitez’s, his was pricey. A whole lot of problems would be instantly solved if a majority of society looked down upon fornication, there would still be some of it happing but it would be a very small amount I think. And a bunch of other problems would be solved if we did not have divorce, I wonder then if abortion would be an issue?

238 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 6:18:52pm

re: #234 WrathofG-d

The "Sharia Experts" point about how Western society gives children the "right" to have sex, but at the same time disallows their ability to get married, and this is hypocriticial, to me, is a valid one

I agree.

239 wanumba  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 7:25:02pm

re: #234 WrathofG-d
I think overall we're on the same page. I just want to look at the way this guy's video screed is affecting our analysis of the issues.

Our society should not allow children the "right" to an abortion, advocate, excuse, or promote their having sex, AND they shouldn't be able to marry!


Of course, but remember, it was the "Progressives" who have pushed this situation onto society which traditionally did not support these things. This was accomplished by going not through voting, i.e. the consensus of society, but by legal fiat. So, it's an artificial situation, not a natural progression, and hasn't settled out as yet.
My point is very narrow, so bear with me so we don't let this get all over the place. Marriage is the institution which was long in place and society rules were geared to making that a goal and a success - mostly by giving girls a chance to grow up, and putting pressure on boys to adhere to standards and an expected decorum. Those other things came in AFTER, recently. The laws haven't changed to relax marriage standards, most likely because society would rather hold on to what worked and get rid of or at least roll back the upsurping actions.
So, the argument is backwards.

The wrongs of Arab/Muslim society do not make the wrongs of Western society right.


Yes. But see how these arguments are used to disarm opposition? Some people are nodding their heads, "Yes, he's right ..."
I prefer this reaction, "HOW DARE YOU CLAIM MY CHILDREN ARE HOs! HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU INSULT OUR CHILDREN AND OUR DILIGENT AND DECENT PARENTS LIKE THAT!"

See? Don't fall for the Islamofascists' little rhetorical tricks.

240 Lynn  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 7:40:45pm

Re: #125 SammsGran 1948 & #36 I_invented_Al_Gore

Once you've made allowance for the very Islamic practice known as "thighing," the apparent contradiction disappears.

241 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 8:00:57pm

re: #237 DownRightMeanAmerican

As a former adulterer, I could not agree more.

I did not understand this as a young male, now I see the light, sex has been very cheapened in our western society, well except for Spitez’s, his was pricey. A whole lot of problems would be instantly solved if a majority of society looked down upon fornication, there would still be some of it happing but it would be a very small amount I think. And a bunch of other problems would be solved if we did not have divorce, I wonder then if abortion would be an issue?

Yeah, but if you eliminate divorce... what happens when you have an abusive spouse?

But, you're right, today divorces are too easy and too frivolous. And sexual imagery and sexual fantasy are way too prominent in our culture, too. Every movie, James Bond gets a different girl, and beds her. Captain Kirk has a girl on every planet, starbase, and starship. And Jack bloody Harkness has probably bedded every man and every woman at Torchwood!

Okay, I exaggerate in those last two, but you get the picture.

The ironic thing is, the more we try to suppress pr0n and stuff, or things people think might be pr0n in the eyes of some beholders, the more attractive it gets to people, and the more kinds of things become thought of as sexual when they didn't used to be. Back in Victorian times, they insisted that all furniture had to have skirts covering their legs or people would get sexually aroused by looking at a chairleg!

Egad!

And I'll betcha there were plenty of Victorian men who did get turned on by seeing a chairleg! Nice conditioned response, that.

On the other hand, if you went to a tribe somewhere in deepest, darkest Africa of old, where the whole tribe went starkers from birth to death... then a naked body, and a naked genital, was about as sexually provocative to them as that big boulder outside the camp or that dead tree down by the river.

Funny how that happens.

242 Daisy  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 8:14:48pm

So, let me get this straight:

# In hot (aka, Islamic) climates girls begin menstruation at 8 or 9 years of age. (therefore old men etc can have sex or "marry" little girls/evil temptresses )
# In cold (aka infidel) climates females often don't menstruate until they're 22 years old (in which case they are deviant sluts/evil temptresses).
# Oddly enough, in cold climates, evil girls are encouraged by their evil parents to engage in sex as young as 10, 12 years old. And then, even more oddly, these non menstruating girls become pregnant and then get abortions.

And this is all offered up as a justification for Mohammed's/guy in the video pedophilia.

Wow.

243 Daisy  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 8:29:43pm

I happen to agree w/his point about abortion 'rights' w/out parental notification for teenagers (who would not be allowed to buy a pack of cigarettes legally or obtain asthma medication, or any other meds., from a doctor); it's beyond outrageous. However, he's disingenuous (at the very least). Females in Islamic culture have no real rights whatsoever -- and Islam condones abortion -- under whose auspices is the abortion committed? How much say so does the pregnant female really have?

Keep in mind every point that this old goat was making was in support of pedophilia.

244 Roger  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 9:53:09pm

TxMarko?
Mohammed did marry Aisha when she was 6 years old; not 8. Not a big difference but it is a Muslim habit to shift the numbers to falsify the truth about Mohammed.

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

And if you go to the Hadiths it says 6 years old there too.

245 Skinless Frank  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 9:58:23pm

Sharia experts make NAMBLA apologists look good by comparison.

246 luckygirl  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 9:59:33pm

re: #234 WrathofG-d

You should know better than to stand on the platform of moral relativism here.

247 luckygirl  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #238 DownRightMeanAmerican

Just because we do not stone them or incarcerate them for having sex out of wedlock at a very young age does not mean we condone or encourage it. Allowing pre-pubescent marriage would be an actual condoning of under-age sex.

248 luckygirl  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:04:20pm

re: #240 Lynn

What is "thighing"?

249 Roger  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:05:00pm

You're right, luckygirl, there is no comparison.

250 Roger  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:05:51pm

re: #248 luckygirl

It is a sexual act without penetration; you should be able to figure it out from there.

251 luckygirl  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:08:30pm

re: #250 Roger

Um... oh... think I get it now Roger... thanks. Had to go back to my Mormon high-school days...

252 luckygirl  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:14:01pm

Oh dear god... don't let that last comment of mine be the last on the thread! I am going to the lounge to assuage the shame...

253 nomoonbats  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 11:46:18pm

re: #237 DownRightMeanAmerican

As a former adulterer, I could not agree more.

I did not understand this as a young male, now I see the light, sex has been very cheapened in our western society, well except for Spitez’s, his was pricey. A whole lot of problems would be instantly solved if a majority of society looked down upon fornication, there would still be some of it happing but it would be a very small amount I think. And a bunch of other problems would be solved if we did not have divorce, I wonder then if abortion would be an issue?


I would like to formally welcome Osama Bin Laden to the LGF community.

254 elrushbuni  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 12:21:43am

There is no hope for people like him.

255 We need G.C. Scott  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 12:57:45am

strandedSF, (a handle which by its very nature implies a current geographical or domestic situation unsuitable to the handles owner,but I digress)

It's your use of that pronoun:"we" as in all-pervading,ie; the majority of people feel this way,that myself and other posters noted and rightfully objected to in your premise. That coupled with the notion that there are no legal consequences for pedophiles busted in the US. I could care less about your personal life so please do not presume I'm out to "bully" you,and if you do happen to consider that a hostile attack, frankly my friend you reside in a very sheltered environment.

256 TMK  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 2:30:53am

re: #241 NomadOfNorad

Yeah, but if you eliminate divorce... what happens when you have an abusive spouse?

Prison, with no conjugal visits. Last time I checked, physical violence is a crime. Divorcing a spouse-beater just frees up the cretin to marry again. Think about it.

257 Islamophobic Warmongering Infidel  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:20:30am

Another item of proof of the insanity of these idiots.
It is a religion of men with their di*ks in their hands. I am really surprised that they do not have some sort of koran law about plugging sheep or dogs or even for some of them, insects. Social retards and disgusting people they are.

I would really hate to be ANY of them on the other side.

258 gatorbait  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:39:31am

"Without God, all things are possible."

259 swabbie41  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:40:27am

If the founder of this cult, er, I mean religeon was a pedophile, then why would you not expect the adherents to be.

Seems that they've spent an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out how to justify having sex with underage girls. This man, in particular, has obviously bent a lot of thought on the subject. Here in the evil West, men like this are imprisoned.

260 Winston Y. Smith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 9:10:58am

Heretical (do not read if easyly offended):
The diversity of the matrimonial relationship thru space and ages is much more rich compared to either limited view of this RoPee, but also compared to the trendy but narrow minded humanistic orthodoxy prevailing on this blog. (In some tribe in India twins have to marry the same female, for example). What he is advocating is prevention of gridlock babies at all cost. What you all spitting out, is a cognitive dissonance, between your desires for feedom for everyone, including for immature females to choose their partners and realities of what these freedom brings (like gridlock baby from unknown but huge football player thru sezarian, with all dire concequences to the BABY). The father choosing a groom for his daugher is nothing new, it existed for milleniums everywhere, including Christianity, Amishes still have it, and is simpy a better managed offspring assurance methodolgy compared to giving choice to immature female instincts. The age of the groom NOT being a main factor, as it is not as relevant for offspring survival and for successful breeding, as other factors.

261 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #247 luckygirl

Start at post #165 and read down from there.
Then perhaps you could direct your post to the proper comment.

262 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 10:16:52am

re: #253 nomoonbats

I would like to formally welcome Osama Bin Laden to the LGF community.

Thank you, I see reading and comprehension are not your strong points, so why don’t you FOAD!

P.S.
I am in the greater LA area, so anytime you want to work on your dental plan, give me a call.

263 B_Dix  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 10:42:39am

#260 Winston Y. Smith 3/30/08 9:10:58 am

What's a gridlock baby?

Anyway, yes, arranged marriages have been the norm throughout most of history. I think it was more related to consolidating/maintaining wealth and territory than to "offspring assurance methodology".

But congrats on a creative theory.

264 proud to be an infidel  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 11:30:21am

Quote: "Therefore, in these stupid countries, you rarely find girls aged 10 or 12 who are still virgins."

I'd really like to see the data he found to support this notion. I'm sure he very diligently did his research.

265 syb  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 12:24:13pm

#152
"147 Hengineer

As well as I bet the reason for the separation of men and women in Haredi has nothing to do with the inability of men to control their lustful gaze and attitudes towards women.

Err. I'm no expert and I could well get in trouble with the skullcaps for this, but...kind of, actually.

However, Haredi society operates more on peer-enforced pressure to uphold certain norms (such as covered-up women, etc.). It's not violent in the sense that islam is.

Although, having said that, it's been reported that thugs in religious neighborhoods have on occasions attacked women who weren't dressed modestly enough for their taste, for instance.

Still, a far cry from what we're discussing in islam though."

Just to add complete your statement
(1) Those thugs that have attacked women are the rarity and the religious leaders are trying to deal with the issue. As you probably know Jews are not into physical violence (sp?).
(2) The laws of modesty are Torah laws so all Jewish women should adhere to them.

I just wanted to point these items out because Judiasm is NOTHING like Islam.

SYB

266 syb  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 12:27:56pm

PIMF

Just to add complete your statement

When I click 'PIMF' I really do need to read what I wrote ... Need more coffee ;]

Charles

I don't comment much but I do a hell of alot of lurking. I love what you did with the comments, links and all the new stuff.

Thanks .. from a very quite type of Lizard

SYB

267 syb  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 1:01:07pm

BARD ...

re: #171 InternationalObserver

I have a major challenge to Lizards.

I realise the purpose of LGF to be discussion and news, not political activity. However, the question must still be asked.

Instead of bitching about the Islamic threat, what can LGF/Lizards do constructively (other than, for example, supporting McCain) to make western governments take this threat seriously?

What can be done to stop the creeping dhimmitude of the west?

Well, first there's the question of what oil we buy.This list offers a run-down of which companies to go to and which to avoid; however; it hasn't been updated in around eight months, so if someone has something more recent, it's that.

Then, we can put out money where it really counts: for example, in the Ayaan Hirsi Ali Security Trust Fund.

But most importantly, we have to make ourselves heard in public. The blogosphere may be the best place to turn from mainstream media filtering, but if you're in one alignment, you'll usually remain within the bubble of your corresponding blogosphere. Propaganda posters, demonstrations, things like that German group who veiled all the statues of women to make a statement - publicity stunts, essentially. We sorely need them.

I wonder if this would be a good idea ... I believe that MEMRI is monitored by the Arab media. If my memory serves me right, MEMRI does not advertise the link. Maybe if we email MEMRI and ask them to forward our emails to the appropriate site the know-nothing psuedo doctors will be challenged by some of our comments, causing a discussion about in the Moslem world. I would hope.

But as my dearly departed grandfather used to say 'Better to lose a debate with a wise person, then win with a fool'. And I say there is no greater fool that some idiot who is convinced of his absolute correctness.

SYB

268 wanumba  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 1:03:30pm

re: #256 TMK

Prison, with no conjugal visits. Last time I checked, physical violence is a crime. Divorcing a spouse-beater just frees up the cretin to marry again. Think about it.


Heh. Thinking outside the box. That is very correct. This opens up a lot of interesting legal approaches.

Plus, there seems to be some confusion. The quote is:
"I hate divorce," says the Lord God of Israel, and I hate a man's covering himself with violence, as well as with his garment," says the Lord Almighty. Malachi 2:16

Doesn't say "no divorce," but quite a lot of people are basing their arguments on that. Hating divorce conveys every plainly how serious marriage and the breaking of the marriage vows are in God's eyes. Thus, marriages should never be entered into frivolously (how many people have we heard say, "Well if it doesn't work out, it's not a problem, I'll divorce."); likewise, the decision to break a marriage is also a very very serious matter - the last resort after real efforts were made to maintain it. So divorce is not to be made an easy option - which is what happened in the 1970s. No fault divorce. A number of people walked instead of doing the hard part of working it out. Not as many as the statistics imply - many of those who walked went on to multiple divorces. Most married couples stay married.

Hating divorce doesn't forbid it - "Do not be yoked to unbelievers." A spouse beater definitely falls into the category of "unbeliever," unable to love one's neighbor as oneself - one's wife or husband is also a neighbor. The very same quote includes God's opinion on a violent man, and God always has good reasons for mentioning ostensibly unconnected things in the same breath.

This should relieve all abused spouses of any doubts that they are sinning somehow by unyoking themselves from truly dangerous partners.

269 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 2:00:18pm

mohammed would be arrested and thrown in jail today. his followers who justify raping little girls by claiming their profit, the original child rapist, inspires their crimes, are just opportunistic monsters. islam is horrifying.

270 profitsbeard  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:42:05pm

What a tasteful, decent religion.

/sarc

271 SnakeFarm  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 5:20:33am

Islam is a contagious and terminal mental illnesss. Cure it today.


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