With friends like these, ...

Boy, you make one little film with facts in it and Muslims go crazy.

Quoting the Quran is now an insult to Islam.

Somebody call a WAAAMYbulance!

/

Islam ... advocates peace and co-existence

/rimshot

re: #2 savage_nation

Lying cockroach!

Sure it teaches peace and tolerance.
Convert.
Submit.
or
Die.

And every things peaceful.
/

And when they say "target," they mean "make a critical film."

/

Moons over my WAMY

I sure wish that when they thought of retaliation the first thing that popped into their minds would be to make a 15 minute film.

“I am afraid that the Western world has failed to understand the severity of the problem,” he said, adding that people, such as Wilders, are trying to create conflict. He added that Wilders is being provocative with no knowledge of religions and human values, and that his antics have created problems for the Dutch government.

Three things:
1. You're right, much of the Western world has failed to understand the severity of the problem of radical Islamists who are engaged in taqiyya and doublespeak who are trying to bring Western civilization down to their third world levels.

2. It doesn't matter how provocative someone else is, if you don't allow yourself to be provoked. Self control, you cretins.

3. And I'm pretty sure that the problem for you is that he has MUCH knowledge of certain religions and their lack of 'human values'. Did I mention, you cretins?

Considering that the veiled threats of violence began even before the film was released, the project is apparently to intimidate non-muslims into complete silence about the aims and methods of political Islam.

Back at ya. A horse head in your bed, Mo.

Where in the world did he get the idea that European (or American) leaders would have a hissy fit if something were done to insult Christianity? Geepers! They'd be more likely to subsidize it!
Oh wait. Words have no correlation to reality w/ them.

Bullshit.

they're "calling on international bodies to prevent people from insulting religions".
excellent, so how abt. we start w/ you savages allowing someone to wear a cross in your hell hole or allowing someone to bring a bible in.

Every time they whine, we should just send them more cheese, like maybe a nice havarti.

Oddly, of course he's right. Wilders is trying to promote conflict.

Don't the Saudis have those highway signs that say non-muslims cannot travel on certain roads? Tolerance my left butt-cheek. Charles, you should post that photo of the "obligatory for non-muslims" highway sign again.

What hypocritical asshats. I'm seething that we coutinue to do business with these people while they screw us at the gas pump and promote the hatred of Christians and those evil Jooos.

WAMY WAMY

re: #17 DownRightMeanAmerican

Every time they whine, we should just send them more cheese, like maybe a nice havarti.

Headcheese, headcheese, the porcine variety that's the ticket.

Again, repeated from below. Show this film to friends and family. I showed it to some co-workers on Friday, and they were horrified. We've seen a lot of the clips Wilders shows previously, but many have not. There's still a lot of anger over 9/11, and that poor woman on the phone talking about burning up brings it all back home. One of the people I showed it to was a dad of daughters. He was appalled by 3-year-old burkha-clad Basmallah who'd been taught that Jews are apes and pigs because Allah says so in the Koran. I had to explain to him the FGM clips, and how women with it often have to be cut upby their spouses on their wedding night.

Show it, spread the word, let your friends and family see.

They don’t understand how much Muslims love and respect their Prophet (pbuh),” said Al-Wohaibi.

There is nothing quite so disgusting as the revoltingly smarmy piety that moslems resort to when they talk about their religion. And nothing quite like the depth of their hypocrisy when you consider the violence that follows.

JWM

Well, at least we don't have to worry about Saudi influence in this country...unlike w/ the Jooos.
/sarc

I want to see how many bucks each candidate is getting directly or indirectly from the Saudis et al. (I'll bet all 3 get it.)

re: #2 savage_nation

Lying cockroach!

Quit insulting the roaches.

Exactly what 'dialogue' is Wilders blocking?

We'll dialogue: you go first. Whaddya got?

re: #17 DownRightMeanAmerican

Every time they whine, we should just send them more cheese, like maybe a nice havarti.

And a little slice of Gouda!

“These kinds of attacks by so-called sane European politicians and scholars will lead to very serious repercussions, pushing mankind to a situation of chaos and conflict,” said Dr. Saleh S. Al-Wohaibi, secretary-general of WAMY.

You mean like wars between Islamic Terrorists and coalitions of free nations?

/duhuuu...

WAMY?

Wow. Talk about an appropriate name!

They now doubt tell whammies (close relative to whoppers).
They also now doubt delight in applying whammies onto the heads of those if insult their fragile sensibilities.

feh.

re: #21 jcm

That should be illegal to call that “cheese”, man, I almost pass-out just looking at the stuff.

re: #19 Areopagitica

Not only that--Wilders tore a page out of a phone book. If you're foolish enough to bring a Bible to Saudi, they throw it into an industrial shredder at the airport, because they have so much respect for "People of the Book."

If they actually disagreed with the film's statements, they would try to show that they were not true. For example, they could state publicly what they felt were the proper interpretations of the Quranic verses quoted.

But they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want followers of Islam to believe and follow the violent interpretations of the Quran. But they don't want kafirs to be allowed to notice this. They want to stifle freedom of speech in kafirdom. They threaten violence and want to intimidate the kafir to prevent any claims of freedom of speech. They want kafirs to become dhimmis and to be afraid.

The inability to refute even one statement made in the film Fitna, the threats of violence in order to shut down freedom of speech, and the demand for laws to turn kafirs into fearful dhimmis, all are evidence that there is nothing in the film that they can prove incorrect or even attempt to dispute. They raise the threat of violence because they lack any arguments that they can make other than threats.

re: #26 totally berserk

Exactly what 'dialogue' is Wilders blocking?

We'll dialogue: you go first. Whaddya got?

Their only approved version of dialogue:

Them: "Stop talking about us!"
Us: "Yassuh, boss!"

Yes, that is a threat wrapped in taqiyya.

We may need some military contingency plan in case Saudi Arabia descends into a Taliban like waste land.

re: #33 EE

Yes indeed.

Good night all.

re: #35 Ledger1

Yes, that is a threat wrapped in taqiyya.

We may need some military contingency plan in case Saudi Arabia descends into a Taliban like waste land.

"Kick their ass and take their gas" isn't a military contingency plan? ;)
/I joke, I joke

One political backstory, from an article about the Danish cartoons:

The imams spoke loudly and fiery about the insolence of the West for insulting Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. Some criticized European governments for shirking their responsibilities as the press mocked Islam. And speaking to crowds at the great mosque of Qatar, prominent hard-line Muslim cleric Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi described the Danish cartoonists as "blasphemers" and Europeans as "cowards". He said it was shameful to use the guise of freedom of speech as a cover to insult God.
Despite their anger, it was clear to see that the preachers were extremely pleased about the outrage uniting the entire Muslim world. They called on their followers to join the protests against the caricatures and Europe and the masses responded in kind. Tens of thousands took to the streets in Cairo, Baghdad and in the West Bank following Friday prayers.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

re: #31 DownRightMeanAmerican

That should be illegal to call that “cheese”, man, I almost pass-out just looking at the stuff.

Wimp! My folks were on a tight budget, I'd headcheese and liverwurst in my school lunch sandwiches, the homemade cookies more than made up for it.

“WAMY will hold talks with Nicolaas Beets, Dutch ambassador, and drawing his government’s attention to this sensitive issue,”

Let's hope they get a beets down

re: #41 Shug

“WAMY will hold talks with Nicolaas Beets, Dutch ambassador, and drawing his government’s attention to this sensitive issue,”

Let's hope they get a beets down

Hmmm. beets and headcheese. Suddenly I'm not hungry.

"We won't kill you, as long as you don't call us violent."

re: #40 jcm

I love liverwurst. I eat it every morning on an onion bagel. Try it!

Never had head cheese.

Beets and headcheese? Just add the Kim-Chee, and we've got some good eatin'!

re: #37 JeremyR
good night JR.

A Moonbat's Perspective

re: #45 savage_nation

Good night Savage.

re: #44 mikeysdca

I love liverwurst. I eat it every morning on an onion bagel. Try it!

Never had head cheese.

I still like liverwurst, looking back I am amazed how far my mom made a grocery dollar stretch, unlike Rev. Wright, my dad never made much with preaching and missionary work.

Here's another article in the same issue of Arab News:

  Wanna Keep Your Maid? Pamper Her

And what is the Saudi definition of pampering?

Spoil your housemaid if you want to keep her. Give her a salary hike, a day off each week and above all be gentle with her...

Abdul Qader Hussein, a teacher, has seen several of his housemaids run away.

“I used all means, such as locking the maid in her room at night and securing windows with iron grills, but they were of no avail. I can’t do without a maid because my wife is also a teacher,” he said.

“Finally, a friend of mine told me the secret of keeping a maid for long term. Give her a pay hike and treat her well..."

Quite the enlightened society they got there.

re: #48 laZardo

A Moonbat's Perspective

Again, a strange similarity between the moonbats and the moongod fanatics.
If you dare to describe the elephant in the room, if you dare to question the received wisdom, you are eeevil.

Maybe Islamics need to reach critical mass via a serialized release of FITNAs. I might have the effect of polarizing the nonviolents from the violents and, consequently, bring this matter to a decisive conclusion within a reasonable amount of time.

I'm tired of hearing these people mouth off.

re: #52 Opilio

And who said you can't teach an old dog ... ?

re: #2 savage_nation

Lying cockroach!

I was sorely tempted to fix your statement, but I'm going to choose not to do so...

/biting tongue

Islamic culture skipped the Enlightenment and has no modern concept of Reason or humanism. It's not our fault and it's not our problem.

re: #49 conservgirl

Hey, where ya been hiding? :)

#54 Sol Roth

Maybe Islamics need to reach critical mass via a serialized release of FITNAs. I might have the effect of polarizing the nonviolents from the violents and, consequently, bring this matter to a decisive conclusion within a reasonable amount of time.

Ah. Stir the pot with a cluebat...

I like it.

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Sorry, Kilgore, it's our problem because we live on the same small planet with these fools.

re: #52 Opilio

Pamper and spoil her by treating her with minimal decency, eh? Good tip!...Great link!

re: #56 Macker

But Islam does teach peace and co-existence; just with other Muslims. The rest don't count, and you can kill them. Then do the peace and co-existence thing.

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Islamic culture skipped the Enlightenment and has no modern concept of Reason or humanism. It's not our fault and it's not our problem.

Until they 'jack our planes and fly 'em into our buildings.

But fixin' it still ain't our problem, just stoppin' 'em, just stoppin' 'em by any means.

OT: Apologies if y'all have already seen this:

Charges dropped against Marine in Haditha case

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Military prosecutors dropped all charges on Friday against a Marine accused of killing unarmed Iraqi women and children at Haditha in 2005, abruptly dismissing the case on the eve of trial with little explanation.

Lance Cpl Stephen B. Tatum became the fifth Haditha defendant out of eight to see charges dropped in a case that brought international condemnation on U.S. troops in Iraq. Three Marines, including accused ringleader Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, still face court-martial later this year.

Though prosecutors had reportedly offered Tatum, 26, immunity to testify against Wuterich, defense attorneys said no such deal had been struck.

...Of the eight Marines originally charged in the November 19, 2005, killing of 24 men, women and children at Haditha, five have now seen their cases dropped.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

re: #17 DownRightMeanAmerican

Every time they whine, we should just send them more cheese, like maybe a nice havarti.

Why that's...that's...that's DANISH cheese! That'll make 'em go apeshit even more!

It is high time that the West moves quickly to control the damage. They don’t understand how much Muslims love and respect their Prophet (pbuh),” said Al-Wohaibi.

Yes we do.

Muslims are serious but the other parties are not.

Yep. We just can't seem to appreciate the seriousness of Jews killing Arab children for their blood to make matzo.

Sol Roth,

Just wanted to tell you how much pleasure your elephant post from yeterday has brought. Everybody I sent it to was thrilled.

re: #65 freedom rings

There was a thread about here a few days ago. But thanks just the same!

re: #19 Areopagitica

Don't the Saudis have those highway signs that say non-muslims cannot travel on certain roads? Tolerance my left butt-cheek. Charles, you should post that photo of the "obligatory for non-muslims" highway sign again.

I don't know if this is the sign you're thinking of, but I posted this on last night's "Beware Saudi's bearing gifts thread.

If you ever find yourself lost on a deserted 8 lane highway in the Saudi desert, this freeway sign might save your life. Probably not, but it might.

re: #53 wolfie

Thinking of posting a sarcastic comment that appears to agree with him - before linking to the Dutch "Burqa Hoax."

This whole thing is bullsh!t.

“These kinds of attacks by so-called sane European politicians and scholars will lead to very serious repercussions, pushing mankind to a situation of chaos and conflict,

Uhhh... no, it is the spread of your fake religion that is already causing chaos and conflict... not a 15 minute documentary exposing that truth.

“It is a new fitna, a new obstacle to block any sensible dialogue between religions."

Again, no. It is the absurd supremacy your cult demands that blocks sensible dialogue... things like insisting the Pope recognize Mohammed as a prophet are what keep sensible dialogue from occurring.

“If we do something against Christianity or target Christian interests in retaliation, the Netherlands, Europe and the whole world would object. But Islam does not teach that, it advocates peace and co-existence,”

Ha! I bet you couldn't even keep a straight face saying this... good thing Allah wants Muslims to lie... you told a whopper here!

“I am afraid that the Western world has failed to understand the severity of the problem,”

True dat! Have another round of insane over-reactions... please! Wake up a few million more Westerners!

This guy is a walking billboard for the doctrine of "the big lie".

“If we do something against Christianity or target Christian interests in retaliation, the Netherlands, Europe and the whole world would object."

OH REALLY? Um, how many Christian houses of worship does the Magic Kingdom contain? If a Christian travels to Saud, will, at the very least, the New Testament not be taken away at the airport customs on arrival?
And how many people of the Jewish faith do you even allow in your country?
And you want to talk about targetting Muslims?
Please, we are not your "subjects" - you see we can think for ourselves and we look at Saudi Arabia as a vast desert, with black gold underneath those sands (which you needed us Christians to show you how to get out from under to make your trillions of dollars) populated by a bunch of 12th Century heathen ignoramouses like you.

re: #48 laZardo

A Moonbat's Perspective

Look at the "artist's" profile. This one's not a moonbat, he's an arab moslem. He's looking for places to publish his pro pali crap.

JWM

re: #71 Opilio

Wikipedia's got a more descriptive sign. I think.

re: #75 JWM

I checked, he's actually a severely-hardcore Brazilian (or at least Brazilian-based) moonbat...

re: #58 Bob in Breckenridge

Hey Bob, I am trying to go to bed! This LGF thing is a serious addiction. How are you Bob? I trust you are well finally!?

re: #65 freedom rings Yeah, I put in the spinoff links somewhere today, but no apologies needed, that deserves to be posted out here and I shoulda done it myself!
Thank you.
Uh, John Fucking Murtha, you listening or reading all this, you POS?!

re: #59 RedWhiteAndJew

One place where the USA has sucked is propaganda. FITNA is nothing more than a 15 minute highlight film of Islamic terrorism. There's TONS of more factual material available. Why can't the CIA fund more films like this?

I would gladly pay taxes DIRECTLY to the CIA for the effort.

re: #77 conservgirl

Hey Bob, I am trying to go to bed! This LGF thing is a serious addiction. How are you Bob? I trust you are well finally!?

Perhaps a hot toddy is in order?

re: #60 MikeySDCA

Sorry, Kilgore, it's our problem because we live on the same small planet with these fools.

In some ways yes. But who really paid the price for 9/11? The Islamic world. Who really paid the price for killing The Van Gogh? 7/7? The Cartoon riots? Palestinian terrorism? etc...
The Islamic world and Muslims end up paying the ultimate price for their backwards and archaic world view. This isn't going to change. We have to deal with them but ultimately it's their problem and they are going to pay the price.

Muslim leaders generally appear to want any criticism of Islam to be a violation of law throughout the world.

This issue I find to be an essential battleground in the fight against Islamism. Such legalized prohibition of criticism of Islam in the West must be fought with all vehemence.

As the clueless responses by non-Muslim leaders worldwide to Fitna have amply demonstrated, dhimwit politicians from Ban Ki-Moon on down fail utterly to understand that Islam in the modern world is a de facto political movement, not merely a religion.

It absolutely must be permissible and legal in the free world to criticize any political movement with severity and intensity. Neither ridicule nor speech deemed offensive automatically constitute legal harm, at least in the United States of America. This is the precept we must follow and vigorously defend worldwide against the incessant complaints and subtext of the threat of violence concocted by political Islam's global leaders.

re: #69 lummox

I'm glad you liked it. It sure is amazing to see a gigantic elephant paint a picture of himself.

re: #80 wolfie
Are You Ready? Hell yes, damn right, Hotty Toddy, gosh a mighty...

sorry went right into the Hotty Toddy cheer!

I think a hot toddy might do the trick. That or an ambien. I have a fix:)

re: #76 laZardo

Wikipedia's got a more descriptive sign. I think.

You are correct, sir.

re: #63 AuldTrafford Huh, don't tell that to all the Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere that the Saud money has flowed to fund terrorists.
Course, there's also that Sunni/Shiite thing as well.
There are only FOUR things I know of that Muslims seem to enjoy doing: killing other people of ANY religious persuasion, quashing true Freedom of Speech, Killing Jews and Seething.
Yep, I think that covers everything.

re: #82 Edouard

Amen.

re: #86 realwest

Huh, don't tell that to all the Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere that the Saud money has flowed to fund terrorists.
Course, there's also that Sunni/Shiite thing as well.
There are only FOUR things I know of that Muslims seem to enjoy doing: killing other people of ANY religious persuasion, quashing true Freedom of Speech, Killing Jews and Seething.
Yep, I think that covers everything.

Can we change that to Muslim extremists?

re: #77 conservgirl

Sorry, didn't mean to keep you up. Yep, finally got rid of this crap. Have a great night! TTYL! :)

And yes, it is an addiction, but a good one!

re: #72 laZardo

I reported that to the Big Lizard upstairs. Thread worthy.

re: #76 laZardo

My mistake, laZardo. Sorry. I got no further than the kafiya scarf picture, and jumped to the obvious. Actually the fact that he is indeed a Westerner who voluntarily adopted those values makes him lower than snakeshit.

JWM

#79 Sol Roth

One place where the USA has sucked is propaganda. FITNA is nothing more than a 15 minute highlight film of Islamic terrorism. There's TONS of more factual material available. Why can't the CIA fund more films like this?

I would gladly pay taxes DIRECTLY to the CIA for the effort.

You are absolutely right. What are they afraid of? The fifth column and fourth estate talking trash about our security efforts? They're going to do that anyway!

I see this far too often in our government: no lack of ability to do what needs to be done, but a huge deficit of conviction and resolve.

If we did send them cheese every time they’d whine, I wonder how long it would take for that pile of cheese to reach the moon, one day, one week, one hour?

re: #73 stevieray Great post my friend - absolutely Spot On (and sorta what I was trying to say in my #74! GMTA, but yours writes better than mine!

re: #89 Bob in Breckenridge

I think you confirmed for me that Savage did indeed remember me from back in the day. What a neat coincidence!

Bob I need to get on your schedule, I miss conversing with you.

I am sleepy though, gotta go to sleep. Sweet dreams all :)

re: #69 lummox Uh, what elephant post? Damn it I miss a lot of the fun around here!

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I reported that to the Big Lizard upstairs. Thread worthy.

Actually, he's downstairs, under DIA... :)

re: #91 JWM

Stop being so prejudiced!

/LOL

re: #86 realwest

Speaking of "that Sunni/Shiite thing," you wonder if figuring out how many there are in each sect would affect the Vatican tally (which lists Catholics as the largest of the Christian sects.)

Do the Saudis lie all the time, or just when their lips move?

re: #96 realwest

Video: A portrait of the artist as a young elephant
It's quite wonderful.

re: #99 rawmuse

Yes.

re: #79 Sol Roth

One place where the USA has sucked is propaganda. FITNA is nothing more than a 15 minute highlight film of Islamic terrorism. There's TONS of more factual material available. Why can't the CIA fund more films like this?

I would gladly pay taxes DIRECTLY to the CIA for the effort.

Because our current POTUS either doesn't seem to understand the motivations of terrorism or doesn't want the Saudis to shut off the oil spigot. Witness how many times President Bush has uttered "Religion of Peace". I wouldn't expect the CIA to contradict their boss by producing something like Fitna.
This is not an anti Bush rant. I voted for him in 2004 and would again in 2008 if I could. His great policy is not in identifying the motivations of terrorists but in treating terorism as an act of war and not a criminal matter.

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Islamic culture skipped the Enlightenment and has no modern concept of Reason or humanism. It's not our fault and it's not our problem.

exactly, did you ever think, 10 or 15 yrs. ago, that these unenlightened barbarians would be issuing such threats and ultimatums to the modern world. demanding respectful behavior for their stone age culture and screed. and the western world takes it seriously and tries to reason w/ them. you are correct these primitive people have no concept of reason or humanism. it is ridiculous to pretend they have anything valid to say. it is an absurd game we are playing. we need to just win this thing.

re: #97 Bob in Breckenridge

Actually, he's downstairs, under DIA... :)

That's a matter of perspective.

re: #88 Opilio If y'all mean the Four things, sure - it really is the provence of the jihadists - well, except for the Seething thing! LOL!

re: #93 DownRightMeanAmerican

If we did send them cheese every time they’d whine, I wonder how long it would take for that pile of cheese to reach the moon, one day, one week, one hour?

This is a plan, my friends!
Cheese for the Palestinians, especially!
Anyone here from Wisconsin?

OT but we just finished a really nice movie: "Pan's Labyrinth".
Rawmuse sez check it out, but not with kids younger than 13, due to some graphic violence.

re: #72 laZardo

Thinking of posting a sarcastic comment that appears to agree with him - before linking to the Dutch "Burqa Hoax."

Wow. amazing

It works for them.

The EU condemns Wilders.

The UN condemns Wilders.

Not a peep about hate and intolerance that is Islam.

It is not that Dhimmitude is being forced on the Dar al Harb, it is that the Dar al Harb is actively seeking Dhimmitude.

#99 rawmuse

Do the Saudis lie all the time, or just when their lips move?

They don't even have to move their lips to lie. Every time they print another copy of the Sayings of Chairman Mo, they tell a huge, hateful, convoluted whopper.

/or is it a WAMY?

re: #81 Killgore Trout

In some ways yes. But who really paid the price for 9/11? The Islamic world. Who really paid the price for killing The Van Gogh? 7/7? The Cartoon riots? Palestinian terrorism? etc...
The Islamic world and Muslims end up paying the ultimate price for their backwards and archaic world view. This isn't going to change. We have to deal with them but ultimately it's their problem and they are going to pay the price.

True so far, but eventually, the religious minorities throughout the Muslim world will start paying a steep price as well. The Islamic habit of blaming others for all of their problems will, at some point, lead to charges of treason and betrayal being levied against the captive infidel populations... and then their blood will flow. This looming massacre will be greatly increased by the [so far] unnoticed conversions to Christianity that are apparently going on deep underground as we speak. That is an insult to the delicate metabolisms of many Muslims, and I cannot see mass escapes from the Muslim gulag being greeted with anything other than violence.

re: #103 nyc redneck

exactly, did you ever think, 10 or 15 yrs. ago, that these unenlightened barbarians would be issuing such threats and ultimatums to the modern world. demanding respectful behavior for their stone age culture and screed. and the western world takes it seriously and tries to reason w/ them. you are correct these primitive people have no concept of reason or humanism. it is ridiculous to pretend they have anything valid to say. it is an absurd game we are playing. we need to just win this thing.

James Lileks wrote some wonderful pieces in the wake of 911 that really encapsulated the fear and uncertainty that those of us in middle America felt. I'd love to have a time machine to send back to him in that fall of 2001 that our President would dance with a Saudi sword, that our Secretary of State would be speaking about the benevolence that lies at the core of Islam, that Suadi Araba would be asking the Pope to recognize Mohammad, that one Dutchman would be dead and another under constant protection because of films.

I have to admit that in the days after 911 I thought that 7 years later Islam would be as rare as Japanese emperor worship. Instead, the inroads continue. Hell of a world we live in.

re: #100 Killgore Trout
Wonderful? Hell I can't even draw that well when I'm drawing humans OR elephants!
That's just incredible.
Thanks a lot Killgore and Sol !

realwest and others:
The Painting Elephant.

re: #81 Killgore Trout

In some ways yes. But who really paid the price for 9/11? The Islamic world. Who really paid the price for killing The Van Gogh? 7/7? The Cartoon riots? Palestinian terrorism? etc...
The Islamic world and Muslims end up paying the ultimate price for their backwards and archaic world view. This isn't going to change. We have to deal with them but ultimately it's their problem and they are going to pay the price.

And in the meantime the world deals with the monetary and human costs and hassels of transportation and public security at many levels, numerous terror attacks, international tension causing speculators to worry about oil prices, the war in Iraq, and the US assuming the defalut position of dealing with Islamists and their barbarity. How much blood, money, time, and general resources has Israel had to invest over the decades fighting its neighbors? Islamic terror forces us, to a degree, to use our resources to fight a similar battle. The costs are great but necessary.

There is one disinfectant for the septic ideas of radical Islam: equality. If the well-intentioned Muslims of the world wish to engage in dialogue with "the West" let them begin by discussing an apparently innocuous premise--that all people are equal regardless of what they believe, where they are born, or who they want to love. Let the good Imams teach the basic principle that women are equal to men, legally, spiritually and universally; that Jews are equal to Muslims, and Christians, and atheists, and anyone else that God has given a soul. By all means, let us discuss the notion that all children are equal and should be allowed to laugh and play and find comfort in the arms of their mothers without having some self-absorbed asshole blow them up, or let them get blown up for political gain. Let's have dialogue about the proposition that any half-wit with a grudge can kill another human being, but only a loving Creator can make one, and all those He has made are, well equal. And finally, let us discuss and affirm the fact that the pure hearts of children who can't tell Muslims from Jews from Christians from the Wiggles have more wisdom than any book.

In case anyone is interested, my thoughts on "offensive speech" are here.

re: #109 Syrah

I refer to that as "a decided lack of self preservation instincts". You see it in action all the time, people do not exercise good judgment, even when it is the easiest thing to do.

But Islam does not teach that, it advocates peace and co-existence,” said Al-Wohaibi.

Which is why they threaten violence whenever they do not get their way.

re: #83 Sol Roth Hey Sol, so did I - thank you very much!

I know this is off-topic, but I have been off the computer a week or two ...
could someone till me what the hearts are?

/hey Savage! Hope things are going better for you. :)

re: #111 stevieray

There's little long term damage that the Islamic world can inflict on the modern world. If you look at this historically, this began in the 70's and 80's with the rise of the PLO, the Iranian revolution and the revival of political Islam. In another 20 to 30 years it will all be gone. It's not politically, socially or economically viable in the modern world. Islamification must certainly be resisted and taken seriously but it's very unlikely that it will be a threat for very much longer.

re: #113 realwest

re: #114 savage_nation

It does bring a smile, eh?

re: #121 Suzette

PIMF *till* = tell

Ha! Kilgore Trout beat me to it. His link is probably more direct so use it.

I have to agree that current Western Governments haven't done enought to enlighten their people to the danger of Islam.. it will probably take a few years of hard surrender monkey leftism to wake up enought people to see where the slow creep of surrender is taking the Western world's freedoms. The nice thing is what liberal socialist commies give today.. can be removed tomorrow.

/and it won't take a draft of young people to turn terror preaching mosques into parking lots.

re: #102 Neo Con since 9/11 I dibs " doesn't want the Saudis to shut off the oil spigot."

re: #118 rawmuse

It is like much of the non-muslim world is hell bent on winning a darwin award.

RIYADH, 31 March 2008 — The World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) has denounced Thursday’s screening of an anti-Qur’an film by a rightwing MP in the Netherlands and called on international bodies to prevent people from insulting religions.

“These kinds of attacks by so-called sane European politicians and scholars will lead to very serious repercussions, pushing mankind to a situation of chaos and conflict,” said Dr. Saleh S. Al-Wohaibi, secretary-general of WAMY. “WAMY will hold talks with Nicolaas Beets, Dutch ambassador, and drawing his government’s attention to this sensitive issue,” he added.

OHOHEEHAHAHOHOHEEHAHAHAHAHEEHEEHOHA...*snort*
Where to start?
The koran is a pastiche of spectacularly bad writing; in any translation.
Mohamed was a child molester.
The haditha are a poor imitation of Talmudic thought, without the humor or wisdom.
(crosspost from elsewhere)

OK. Sue me.

"Speaking about whether dialogue between Muslims, Christians and Jews would help reconcile differences, Al-Wohaibi said, “I have my own reservations. Muslims are serious but the other parties are not. They are not committed. They want to hold dialogue, just for the sake of it and for Muslims’ consumption.”"

Just like the left, to these people, "dialog" means coming over to their side and agreeing with them. If you don't convert to their way of thinking, you aren't committed to the dialog.

French Muslim Yoots Drawn to Iraq.

re: #111 stevieray

Why use the future tense when you are talking about the persecution of captive non-Muslim populations? Limiting myself solely to thelast 50 years or so, and to a few examples, how about the Christians of Lebanon (once a MAJORITY), the often large Jewish minorities in Arab lands (long gone), the Copts in Egypt? Or take the town of Bethlehem, which was 80% Christian until Israel handed it over to the Palestinian Authority. Ten years later...20%.
Not only religious minorities, but women, children, and slaves (yes) pay the price.
Come to think of it, the last people to "pay the price" are the slimeballs that preach the creed and lead the jihad.

Having trouble linking. Here is the latest al sadr saga. Oh. They were updating it with a sympathy shot of a mourning widow. ...Mookie's back from Iran. He was talking to his persian overlords. He wants his troops to back off. and he wants some concessions. Maybe if he would show his face, I might think that this wasn't a puppet show.

re: #120 realwest

My please realwest.

Time for me to hit the rack. Hasta manana!

re: #121 Suzette

The hearts are ‘favorites’, if you clink one it becomes green and it goes into a ‘your favorites’ file, for future reference and quick access, you can access your favorites on the upper lefthand corner of each page, in the logged in area.

re: #115 Sol Roth

realwest and others:
The Painting Elephant.

Dang! Why on earth would anyone worship a stupid meteorite when you got that elephant?

re: #129 American Soldier

Wasn't Mary about 14 or so during the Divine Conception?

/checking

re: #134 savage_nation

Hope it is *little*! What do the hearts mean?
/I keep you in my prayers and thoughts.

re: #121 Suzette

I know this is off-topic, but I have been off the computer a week or two ...
could someone till me what the hearts are?

Read all about it.

re: #136 DownRightMeanAmerican

Thank-you very much!
/I haven't been on the net ... normally on LGF everyday...been taking a break. :)

re: #121 Suzette

They're "favorites", Suzette. If you click on the heart it adds that person to your favorites.

Look at the top where it says "logged in", and where it says "Register, "Forgot my password" and "Manage my account", there's a new link at the bottom that says "My favorites".

re: #140 Opilio

Thank you too! :)

re: #111 stevieray

True so far, but eventually, the religious minorities throughout the Muslim world will start paying a steep price as well. The Islamic habit of blaming others for all of their problems will, at some point, lead to charges of treason and betrayal being levied against the captive infidel populations... and then their blood will flow. This looming massacre will be greatly increased by the [so far] unnoticed conversions to Christianity that are apparently going on deep underground as we speak. That is an insult to the delicate metabolisms of many Muslims, and I cannot see mass escapes from the Muslim gulag being greeted with anything other than violence.

The other sad fact is that our morally bankrupt libtard population is already trying to make moral comparisons between Islam & Christianity.

BTW, I think the elephant was trained to paint that picture and I highly doubt that he even recognizes it as an elephant. Although I'm sure he enjoys drawing it.

re: #142 Bob in Breckenridge

Thank you Bob! :)
/most are my favorites! :)

re: #121 Suzette

I know this is off-topic, but I have been off the computer a week or two ...
could someone till me what the hearts are?

/hey Savage! Hope things are going better for you. :)

We're trying to lure you back by posting your avatar!
(Click the heart if you want to save a post!)

re: #133 swamprat Even if he did show his face it would still be a puppet show...but we'd have a much better chance at distributing some Justice to Sadr!

re: #135 Sol Roth Thank you again and sleep well!

re: #147 wolfie

Thank you! :) That's sweet! :)

re: #138 laZardo

Wasn't Mary about 14 or so during the Divine Conception?

/checking

Traditionally held to be sixteen. But I don't think her age is mentioned in the Bible.

re: #150 savage_nation

Oh good grief! Savage! I tell you what when it rains, it pours!
/keeping you in my thoughts...and hopefully it is just late ...

re: #145 Killgore Trout
" I highly doubt that he even recognizes it as an elephant." That's not what the elepant says! And you should see his copy of the Mona Lisa!
;')

Well y'all it's been grand out here as usual, but I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT NIGHT/EARLY MORNING and that I get to see you down the road!

re: #152 wolfie

Some biblical scholars have put her age to be as young as 13 to 15 years, and seeing how the average life span was about 35, that seems plausible. I cite Jesuit author Thomas Cahill as the source of this wisdom.

re: #154 realwest

" I highly doubt that he even recognizes it as an elephant." That's not what the elepant says! And you should see his copy of the Mona Lisa!
;')

Screw the Kaaba! (PBUI) Gimme the elephant!

O/T, but Fox News Radio just reported that Aloha Airlines is ceasing operations.

re: #155 savage_nation

I have a had one of those years before. So keep the faith...you will hang in there...may develop insomina like me...but you'll hang tough!
:)

The elephant just paints tripe for the rubes and tourists... The good stuff he keeps at home..

re: #156 realwest

Sweet dreams Realwest! :)

OT
Camels line up for Gulf beauty contest, Yahoo News

Saudi breeders search for new 'Miss Camel', The Telegraph

---sig line---
Please continue to pray for my Mom's recovery. (See my post, #208 another thread for more)

re: #17 DownRightMeanAmerican

Every time they whine, we should just send them more cheese, like maybe a nice havarti.

Mad Dog 20/20

My son just got home from this. He's been entertaining me with concert stories. lol Had a good time, saw an older guy get trampled and his wrist broken in a mosh pit. Said the Japanese bands were pretty good, but A7X was the best. :)

re: #152 wolfie

Traditionally held to be sixteen. But I don't think her age is mentioned in the Bible.

Also, I would say there's a difference between a teenager in a society where you could expect to live to the ripe old age of 40, and say, a 6-year-old. The Virgin Mother would be physically a woman by 14; little Aisha had to have her dolls taken away from her at the age of 9 so Mohammad could molest her. And, no one had sex with the Virgin Mother at the time of the conception of Jesus--all the Bible says is that she was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. There's difference among Catholics and Protestants as to whether Mary remained a virgin after Christ's birth, but she was a virgin when he was born.

re: #155 savage_nation

Oh, me too. Sheesh, what a year so far...

Savage, I am pulling for you. Every now and then life serves you up a real merde salad. 2006 was a year like that for me. Lost several jobs, got busted up in an accident, and in the process of being treated for that, got diagnosed with more than one chronic illness. Since I crawled up out of that mess, the present is peachy in comparison. As the saying goes, "this too shall pass". Hang in there.

re: #112 Palandine

it seems like so many politicians in the west are soft peddling the dangers of islam. are they buying time, trying to keep the lid on a pressure cooker, until the very last moment because we need oil. it's an uncomfortable situation when you see the brutality of islam and how it is spreading around the world. even pres. bush has back peddled from his strong statements after 9-11. i don't like it. and now this film, which just documents terrorists acts and passages from the koran, is yet another reason for these thugs to rant and make demands. time for the civilized world to awaken and confront a dangerous evil.

re: #164 savage_nation

I know it sounds cliche', but pray, pray, pray!
/ And no life sometimes hands us some real bats upside the head.

re: #138 laZardo

Wasn't Mary about 14 or so during the Divine Conception?

/checking

Dunno. But you're right, I'm sure. 6, 9, 14; what's the fuss?
/tag

re: #165 redc1c4

Hey red! :)

re: #157 rawmuse

Some biblical scholars have put her age to be as young as 13 to 15 years, and seeing how the average life span was about 35, that seems plausible. I cite Jesuit author Thomas Cahill as the source of this wisdom.

Who knows? Obviously of age to bear children!
The average life span mentioned in the Bible (Ecclesiastes) is three score and ten, i.e., 70 years. The statistical life expectancy was much lower because of infant mortality, diseases of young infancy, childbirth hazards, and war.
Certainly the Greeks, the Romans, the medievals, Renaissance folk, our Founding Fathers, etc. did not consider someone 35 to be "old."

“These kinds of attacks by so-called sane European politicians and scholars will lead to very serious repercussions, pushing mankind to a situation of chaos and conflict...”

Yeah. We sure wouldn't want to experience any chaos or conflict all of a sudden.

'Cause there certainly isn't any of that around now...

re: #168 rawmuse

Wise words rawmuse! :)

“I am afraid that the Western world has failed to understand the severity of the problem,”

Why should we (or anyone for that matter) care about failing to understand your religion or things that pertain to it?

You're killers and your blood-guzzling Babylonian moon-god "Allah" commands you to do so.

Hence the death threats against those who would screen this video that shows your religion to be one of violence, death & hatred.

The irony is delicious!

~ENT

Just got to #13 Jaunte and I see that everybody is on a roll, so I'm going to stop plussing posts. That doesn't mean I don't think anyone after #14 isn't just as terrific.

I don't have anything special to say except to add my voice to those who think Saudi Arabia and the crazy Muslim hordes should be crushed ASAP. If it takes 100 years, well so be it.

I hate the governments of free countries that don't stand up to these creeps.

re: #165 redc1c4

Mad Dog 20/20

LOL! Wassup, Red?

Well... got the last of the laundry into the dryer. Time to hit the sack. Goodnight all!

re: #163 gromster

OT
Camels line up for Gulf beauty contest, Yahoo News

Saudi breeders search for new 'Miss Camel', The Telegraph

---sig line---
Please continue to pray for my Mom's recovery. (See my post, #208 another thread for more)

Why do the Saudis have camel beauty contests?
Because the camels don't have to wear burkhas

re: #179 stevieray

Sweet dreams stevieray! :)

Morning all. {Suzette} Missed ya.

on topic:

Just like how the residents of the Magic Kingdom™ are all up in arms over a few "out of context" verses. I can say nothing else because everyone has said it before.

re: #179 stevieray

G'nite

re: #169 nyc redneck

it seems like so many politicians in the west are soft peddling the dangers of islam. are they buying time, trying to keep the lid on a pressure cooker, until the very last moment because we need oil. it's an uncomfortable situation when you see the brutality of islam and how it is spreading around the world. even pres. bush has back peddled from his strong statements after 9-11. i don't like it. and now this film, which just documents terrorists acts and passages from the koran, is yet another reason for these thugs to rant and make demands. time for the civilized world to awaken and confront a dangerous evil.

They're hoping they get eaten last.
But we can stop the Muslim crocodiles from eating us, if we stick together.

re: #131 rawmuse

French Muslim Yoots Drawn to Iraq.

Portents of things to come.

re: #182 BlueCanuck

Hey {Blue}! (Feels good to be missed). Missed you too!
/starting to sleep better. I'm getting better...one tiny step at a time!

Saudi Arabia is the only country I know of that has religious apartheid to the degree that even presidents and prime ministers can't visit the cities (Mecca and Medina) because they're the wrong religion.

The more people that see Fitna, buy and read the Koran, learn about Real Islam and not the PC-version, the more the world should wake up.

Let's pray that it doesn't take another catastrophe to get the world's attention.

re: #184 savage_nation

You might be surprised...completely understand though ... you sound good though! :)

re: #145 Killgore Trout
I think they can be trained, too. My sister has an abstract painting done by Bertha the elephant from John Ascuaga's Nugget in Sparks, Nevada. LOL I've been looking for a link to Bertha's paintings but can't find one.

re: #72 laZardo

Nice. The director was fired.

re: #191 savage_nation

Don't blame you. Just sometimes does more damage. Especially to you.
Keep the faith "strong" Lizard.

re: #185 Kosh's Shadow

That's it. Sticking together.
And the first target in their line of fire is Israel.
That is why the defamation of Israel is not merely unjust, but dangerous.
Dangerous to us all.
Why can't Europe see this?

re: #197 wolfie

Because they are blind .

re: #191 savage_nation

(((savage)))

Hi, Suzette, good to see you! I was wondering where you'd been... and hoping that you were sleeping well! :)

BTW:

Whatever happened to The Other Les and Pro-Bush Canuck?

re: #186 Syrah
Excellent! The truly violent french muslims can die like rats, and those who have absorbed French culture, can teach the terrorists how to surrender.

re: #202 gop_patriot

Hey { {gop} }! And yes...doing better on the sleeping! Thankfully!

Re: Reaching Killgore Trout
Would someone who knows Mr Trout please direct him to my reply to him in another thread?

My post is #422 in the Open Morning Thread

I don't post here tons, or even lurk most days, so one of y'all may stand a better chance of reaching him than me.

I also left a post for Zimriel in that same thread, where he basicallly compared Creationists to "9-11 Troofers" and "Holocaust Deniers," which I thought was just awful.

re: #203 solomonpanting

BTW:

Whatever happened to The Other Les and Pro-Bush Canuck?

Not sure about Les, but I've seen PBC posting here recently.

re: #199 Suzette

Because they are blind .

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

re: #204 swamprat

Excellent! The truly violent french muslims can die like rats, and those who have absorbed French culture, can teach the terrorists how to surrender.

HAHAHAHA

re: #208 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks.

re: #187 Suzette

Hey that's great news. I would rather not see you here if that meant that you were getting proper sleep. :)

/but you would be missed.

re: #163 gromster Gromster - glad I came back looking for something and saw this: Your mother, your father and you are all in my prayers.
IF you get a chance, please forward you Mom's plight to goddessoftheclassroom (she's usually around on the Dead Thread around 9:00AM Eastern time) so she can add y'all to the LGF Prayer list.
God bless your mom, you and your Dad.

re: #69 lummox

Sol Roth,

Just wanted to tell you how much pleasure your elephant post from yeterday has brought. Everybody I sent it to was thrilled.

Me too!

Great post...

My jaw dropped when I watched it. Checked into taking the "elephant pictures tour" in Bali as well...

~ENT

re: #172 Suzette

Hey red! :)

hay yerownself... %-)

re: #212 BlueCanuck

Oh {Blue} will still be on dead thread from time to time. They have been switching my meds to find the right ones that work and plus I was sick with bad sinus infection.
/can't stay away for too long though! :)

re: #215 redc1c4

Still messing with the fruit cups? ;)'

re: #217 Suzette

Still messing with the fruit cups? ;)'

moi?

/best innocent look

i got fired on Monday %-)

re: #217 Suzette

Still messing with the fruit cups? ;)'

I think he's mostly given up on that. :)

/still tries every now and then.

re: #218 redc1c4

You make me smile! :)
/fired? By LoL?

re: #205 Suzette

Hey { {gop} }! And yes...doing better on the sleeping! Thankfully!

Fantastic! I'm glad that you're sleeping. OH, I got to meet LeePro last Wednesday when I went home (Memphis)! She's a cool lady, I hope you get to meet her someday. Lots of fun! :)

re: #220 BlueCanuck

Bet he is planning just a new tacket? What you think? :)

re: #220 BlueCanuck

I think he's mostly given up on that. :)

/still tries every now and then.

i'm so good at it, you and LoL don't even notice... %-)

/teflon slick

re: #163 gromster
Hey there - I just e-mailed your post to goddessoftheclassroom with the request that all be added.
Have a good night - prayers going up now.

re: #206 FOUNT

whatcha smoking?

re: #222 gop_patriot

Did you really? Wow! That is great!
/Hopefully one day I will ... :)

re: #221 Suzette

You make me smile! :)
/fired? By LoL?

nope: the pharmacy i had been w*rking at: the Board of Pharmacy inspectors showed up, and along the way, asked me a direct question, which i answered.

unfortunately, my answer directly contradicted what the pharmacist had just told them.

when the smoke cleared, they are in boocoo trouble, and i'm persona non grata.

re: #226 swamprat

I don't smoke. I speak the truth. Obviously you live with blinders on.

BOY!
OUR FIENDS, THE saudis,brits,poles,...friends...business partner's PARTNERS, HELL SON FILL YOUR HAND! BOOOM. BOOOM BOOOM BOOOM! Silince, the smoke clears, we see our hero, red ooze spreading across his chest, hands reaching out for help.
Looking to the saloon door for the visage of his true love framed in the light of the setting western sun...
Here comes the pain. hope ya trained the chillen in basic fir-arms at the very least. Psss! new gold rush is ON!

Yep, lame, but makes ya think. if ya think...

re: #219 EtNorskTroll

What is a MOBY?

re: #228 redc1c4

Ooooh! :( So sorry red!
/hopefully another and better job is ahead of you.

The police received a call from the convent about a strange object flying overhead. When the officer arrived, he spoke with the Mother Superior.

“What kind of object was it,” he asked.

“I don’t know,” she replied. “But would you like me to ask Sister Theresa? She knows exactly what it was.”

“That’s OK,” said the officer. “I’ll just list it as a nun-identified flying object.”

re: #226 swamprat

Maybe Charles missed one.

re: #224 redc1c4

i'm so good at it, you and LoL don't even notice... %-)

/teflon slick

I think it's all that white smoke that you've been popping.

/going to have to invest in some top gear night vision.

#225 realwest
Thank you, that's very sweet of you. I have also struggled with depression since I was quite young, it's gotten bad lately, and all this stuff with my Mom has just made things worse.

re: #207 gromster

Got it. It's still bullshit. Let's take an analogy; Suppose I want to teach English at a major university but I refuse to acknowledge verbs or ant letter past "W" and I insist on using the Russian alphabet. Would I be discriminated against? You bet yer ass! That's not English and the English department shouldn't have to put up with my insane shit.
Suppose I want a job at NASA and claim that the Loch Ness Monster and Big Foot assassinated JFK but they live in my basement and will give me the secrets to space travel. Would I get a job or would I get discriminated against? You bet your ass they'd show me the door.
I'm a mathematician who doesn't believe 2+2=4 and I refuse to acknowledge fractions. Can I get a job or will I be discriminated against?
You get the picture. If you're an Islamic cleric who believes the world is flat or if you're a Christian who believes the universe is 6,000 years old you have no place in modern society much less teaching science. You can join the Islamists and retreat into the 7th century if you want to or you can join the modern world. The choice is yours and the consequences are yours. Ignore the Enlightenment and reason at your own peril. I don't give a shit if you want to retreat from modernity. The4 Future belongs to those who show up. You can stay in the past, just don't expect the modern world to accomodate you.

re: #226 swamprat

whatcha smoking?

This!

re: #235 Syrah

Maybe Charles missed one.

not for long... %-)

re: #233 Bob in Breckenridge

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that!

re: #222 gop_patriot
I'd like to meet LeePro and her hubby, too. She is one of my LGF e-pals.

re: #231 FOUNT

What is a MOBY?

Go here.

Scroll down to Q. What’s a “moby?”

re: #242 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hey {Pvt Bin Jammin}! Hope you are doing well! :)

The jihadis are raising hell over a 15 minute movie about Islam. Here is a good one that is 1 hour and 38 minutes long called
What the West Needs to Know

(A big thanks to Student for letting me know about this one)

re: #242 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well, we're hoping to meet up again soon, with conservgirl, and anyone else who is near Memphis, for some barbecue. :)

If we get a time down (I might not make the next one, but Lee and Conserv have tentative plans), come on over!

re: #232 Suzette

Ooooh! :( So sorry red!
/hopefully another and better job is ahead of you.

in the meantime, i'm using the system to ensure that they receive a total body colonoscopy... on thrusday my registry sent me to a facility to w*rk, but i went home "sick" shortly after starting...

they wanted me to help fake the documentation in their patient charts.

/rarely boring 'round me %-)

re: #190 FOUNT

#238
You're still not getting my point.

Christians, btw, CAN teach evolution. Christians can read books and journals on evolution and understand them.

Christians are not against evolution being taught. Please, I insist that you teach evolution in public schools. Really.

What I'm saying is you are not allowed to CRITICIZE evolution (without being penalized in some fashion).

re: #247 redc1c4

Bet it isn't boring around you. :)
/good glad to hear you not faking documentation! Shows real character!

re: #229 FOUNT

I don't smoke. I speak the truth. Obviously you live with blinders on.

They aren't working well. I'm going to go check my eyelids for pinholes. The process can be quite lenthy and take up to eight hours...

re: #241 wolfie

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that!

i'm planning on passing it on...

/sick that way. %-)

Give him librium or give him meth!

re: #250 Suzette

Bet it isn't boring around you. :)
/good glad to hear you not faking documentation! Shows real character!

and a desire to keep my license %-)

re: #253 swamprat

Give him librium or give him meth!

could i have some Demerol instead?

/doesn't kill the pain, you just don't care. %-)

re: #255 redc1c4

True dat! :)

re: #249 gromster

What I'm saying is you are not allowed to CRITICIZE evolution (without being penalized in some fashion).

That's very true, in many cases.

Well have a good night sweet {Lizards and Lizardettes}!
Hope you all have a good day too!

See you on another dead thread! And {Blue or Red} tell littleoldlady Hi for me! :)

re: #244 Suzette
Hi there, Suzette! I'm pretty good but we lost a friend this week and another one in the hospital. The one who is ill was good when I visited her today so I am much happier.

re: #258 Suzette

Goodnight! Sleep well. :)

re: #258 Suzette

Well have a good night sweet {Lizards and Lizardettes}!
Hope you all have a good day too!

See you on another dead thread! And {Blue or Red} tell littleoldlady Hi for me! :)

L8r!

/got contractors tomorrow, doubt i'll make fruitcup time myself

re: #253 swamprat

Give him librium or give him meth!

ROTFLMAO

Night { { Suzette } }, I will pass on your hello to littleoldlady.

Sleep well, you deserve it.

Night Fount. Be sure to check out "the John Birch Society".

re: #259 Pvt Bin Jammin

Deepest sympathies for your lost friend. :(
Glad to hear your other friend is doing better though! :)

Nite {Pvt Bin Jammin}! :)

re: #258 Suzette
Good night, Suzette.

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Got it. It's still bullshit. Let's take an analogy; Suppose I want to teach English at a major university but I refuse to acknowledge verbs or ant letter past "W" and I insist on using the Russian alphabet. Would I be discriminated against? You bet yer ass! That's not English and the English department shouldn't have to put up with my insane shit.
Suppose I want a job at NASA and claim that the Loch Ness Monster and Big Foot assassinated JFK but they live in my basement and will give me the secrets to space travel. Would I get a job or would I get discriminated against? You bet your ass they'd show me the door.
I'm a mathematician who doesn't believe 2+2=4 and I refuse to acknowledge fractions. Can I get a job or will I be discriminated against?
You get the picture. If you're an Islamic cleric who believes the world is flat or if you're a Christian who believes the universe is 6,000 years old you have no place in modern society much less teaching science. You can join the Islamists and retreat into the 7th century if you want to or you can join the modern world. The choice is yours and the consequences are yours. Ignore the Enlightenment and reason at your own peril. I don't give a shit if you want to retreat from modernity. The4 Future belongs to those who show up. You can stay in the past, just don't expect the modern world to accomodate you.

Get thee to a gulag?
I basically agree with your point, but think you are being downright snotty!
If the subject being taught is modern astronomy and you believe the moon is made of green cheese, that ain't the job for you. And I agree no one should have to hire you for that job.
But if a Baptoid school wants to teach "Creation Science," they shouldn't have to hire you (or me) either.
If the Amish want to teach their kids their own beliefs, you may laugh at them all you want. But you may not force them to do otherwise.
If I want to believe the world is being held up on the back of a turtle, by God (or by Turtle) it's none of your turtle-damned business!

re: #249 gromster

What I'm saying is you are not allowed to CRITICIZE evolution (without being penalized in some fashion).

Again, Bullshit. As I pointed out to you (it happens about once a month) evolution gets turned on it's ear. Someone finds a new fossil (what scientists call "evidence") and they have to rethink the whole scheme of things. EG: Birds evolved earlier than we thought, wombats aren't really related to mollusks, etc. Watch the science links on LGF and I can guarantee you that this month somebody will not only question evolution but revolutionize it. It's open to criticism and adapts but it requires scientific proof. You can't just imagine something or quote scripture and expect it to adapt so as not to hurt your feelings. It doesn't work that way. That's why this is such an important issue to me; If you want to be part of modern Western society you need to have a basic understanding of science (Reason/Enlightenment/Logic/ect) and I really fear that Christian thought is rejecting these values. If you want to understand why Creationism and "Intelligent Diesign" are rejected by science you really don't understand what what science is. This is your failing, not science. Don't blame the failings of your backwards belief system on others. It's your fault, accept responsiblility.

Good for them.

Fox News has a link to Fitna from their main page

re: #267 wolfie

But if a Baptoid school wants to teach "Creation Science," they shouldn't have to hire you (or me) either.

Agreed. I was going to hunt down the requirements for creationist institute research papers (you should google it, it's very interesting). They require that their published papers conform the the Biblical account of creation. "Real" science and imperical proof are rejected if they don't conform to scripture. Would you expect a real scientist to complain about not being included in a creation science journal? They want no part of it.

re: #142 Bob in Breckenridge

They're "favorites", Suzette. If you click on the heart it adds that person to your favorites.

Look at the top where it says "logged in", and where it says "Register, "Forgot my password" and "Manage my account", there's a new link at the bottom that says "My favorites".

Actually, Bob, it adds that comment to your Favorites. ;)



Hi { { {Suzette} } } Been missin' you, girl!