Oh, Lord...

I don't get it.

Y'know...back in the mists of time when Empty-Vee play music, it was kinda cool. Now it's been MSMTV for sometime and had nothing of worth.

a Pity that

Since MTV stopped playing music in 1992, perhaps the M now stands for Muslim?

BUSHISHITLER!

He's the Bushitler!

The kind of thing MTV used to do

Disgusting.

It's incredible for them to suggest that this is where we're heading.

To suggest the this is the level on which our civil liberties are being infringed upon in the name of protecting us either shows a gross ability for moral equivalence or a complete lack of reasoning.

The Progressive (Regressive?) Moonbats are really into projection, aren't they. The only times Americans have ever been rounded up were when the Progressive Democrats were in charge.

The world according to coked out Hollywood executives in between plastic surgery and blowjobs from girls half their age.

into believing America is turning into a police state

Actually, I'm a little unclear what the message of these ads is supposed to be.

Didn't MTV produce 'Stop Loss'? I advise them to keep up with the anti-American business so they start hemorrhaging money sooner, cf. New York Times, and we are all spared from another season of horny 20-somethings on the Real World.

re: #8 ModerateWolverine

PIMF

To suggest the this is the level...

There is just one channel that is blocked on our TV - and it always has been. That channel is MTV and it has always been blocked for a reason.

What's MTV? (okay I know, but never had cable).
Media control. Chapter 1 in the Gramscian Whore Playbook, Chapter 2 is educational control. I can see some English class (not in GotC's) seriously discussing this carpola.

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Actually, I'm a little unclear what the message of these ads is supposed to be.

Duh, the message is be yourself.

Wow, I'm shocked NOT! After listening to year's worth of stuff equating abu ghirab with auschwitz, US troops as SS types, the FBI as the Gestapo, why are we surprised?
for the Left, anyone who is not with them is against them and that has been equated to mean that you must therefore, ipso facto, be a reactionary, right leaning Nazi.
Tolerance does not exist on the left.

I am totally out of it I guess. I cannot find any bearing to true life in this - can anybody else? Perhaps I am just too old or something...no - HELL NO - they are way off base here and we need to call them on it. How can we proceed?

Does anybody actually watch MTV anymore?

You know, I'm old enough to remember when MTV used to play something called "music videos", a long, long time ago.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Not the commercial, but the fact MTV thought this needed to be made.

re: #10 Peacekeeper

Wow, now that was right on the money.

No asshole.

It did not happen to people like you.

BBL.

Maybe it's just me but, I don't see that the spot is claiming that this is possible from the Bush Administration.

re: #16 Peacekeeper

Duh, the message is be yourself.

And that was also Adriana Lima's advice in GQ's How to Date a Supermodel article. So, that must mean something.

But more seriously... these ads aren't necessarily saying "this is in imminent danger of happening here in AmeriKKKA".

I must be extra-stupid today, but I don't "get" these commercials at all?
What's the point of 'em? I mean Bush is gonna be out of office soon - who the hell could they be referring to?

The old fart in me asks.

Why do you "watch" music?

maybe the message here is that we need to protect the Second Amendment!

Oh, what the fuck.

re: #25 Occasional Reader

And that was also Adriana Lima's advice in GQ's How to Date a Supermodel article. So, that must mean something.

But more seriously... these ads aren't necessarily saying "this is in imminent danger of happening here in AmeriKKKA".

No, it's in imminent danger of happening in the subway...

Look, we're six years and change after 9/11 and the Bushitler boys haven't exactly created a police state. You might see more police around town in NYC, but the actual number of cops here is down. There might be random bag checks, but that's because terrorists have used bags to carry bombs that kill folks in places like London and Madrid. These guys think that they're making art and have something profound to say, but if they were really interested in saying something profound and having an impact on expression of thought, maybe they'd be better off showing the horrors of Islamists who seek to impose their views on the rest of the world. Misogyny, submission to Islam, death to those who oppose their views, etc. That imagery can be culled from media sources daily. You don't need to raid the archives for footage from more than 60 years ago to try and scare people into thinking that they live in a police state.

Yet, the paranoid Left and Hollyweird continues to peddle this nonsense. When Bush leaves office (and that's despite the fact that some of the more paranoid types think that Bush will stick around even after 1/20/09), what will they do? What would they say if McCain wins? Instead of getting b-slapped back into reality, they'll simply descend even deeper into the fever swamps.

So don't jump the turnstyle dudes and dudettes.

re: #14 galloping granny

In our family we don't even have a TV.

re: #27 JCM

The old fart in me asks.

Why do you "watch" music?

Awww they used to put some stupid dancing and other twaddle on screen to spice it up - many times had nothing to do with the song. And then there were some of the videos that actually told a story - you know the song in a nutshell. That was what MTV used to be and now we have Linda Ellerbee (the ol bat) spouting her drivel and then this stuff - what poison this truly is.

This is how socialism pokes its nose in your lives - a little at a time - you know plant some doubt and tell it over and over and some sheeple will say - hey you know that just might be true. Of course we are not sheeple so we question it but, there are far too many sheeple to indoctrinate in any other way than mass media.

Each video ends with the phrase 'the Holocaust happened to people like us' and the scenes fade to black.

I would applaud them if they amended that with "happened to the Jews", but then they might have to support the Neocons and repudiate people like, I don't know, Obama?

re: #31 lawhawk

What would they say if McCain wins? Instead of getting b-slapped back into reality, they'll simply descend even deeper into the fever swamps.

It will be an amazing thing to see...
Still, McCain has less steam than Bob Dole. Total Democrat meltdown is the onlyway it could happen.

Wait! I got the message!

Avoid Public Transportation.

re: #31 lawhawk

Dude, there was 3 STATE TROOPERS (like storm trooper man), handing out out tickets for car pool lane violations this morning. Now that's repression dude!

///

re: #36 Peacekeeper

They are melting down.

Some earlier thread here had the comment that the thinner air in Denver, at the Dem. convention, will make it easier to throw chairs.

re: #27 JCM Well doncha know that Video Killed the Radio Star (sorry I can't link to YouTube)? I'd also link to Dire Straits "Money For Nothing" but I can't fucking link.

I seriously STILL don't get these commercials. Just don't get 'em.

re: #34 bolivar

Heh! I saw PBS had a version of "Peter and the Wolf" on last week. Since on of my favorite records as a kid was that I watch. At the end Peter let the wold GO!

I was thinking WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!

You are too right, too right in you take on it.

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wait! I got the message!

Avoid Public Transportation.

And always ask "who is it?" before opening your front door.

I don't know WHAT those fascist stormtroopers would have done if that guy had just checked through the peephole and then said "sorry, you can't come in."

Apparently there's a subliminal message here those of us who inhabit the real world are unable to process.

re: #40 realwest

Well doncha know that Video Killed the Radio Star (sorry I can't link to YouTube)? I'd also link to Dire Straits "Money For Nothing" but I can't fucking link.

I seriously STILL don't get these commercials. Just don't get 'em.

Now that is one of the GREAT Guitar riff, I've got a bunch of Mark Knopfler.

re: #35 brent

I would applaud them if they amended that with "happened to the Jews", but then they might have to support the Neocons and repudiate people like, I don't know, Obama?

Jews weren't the only ones in those camps.

re: #36 Peacekeeper I agree about McCain, but suppose Obama or Hillary win and things go from bad to worse (which they surely will)? I mean they can only blame this on Bush for a couple of years, tops. Then what?
Bet their heads explode.

Here's the thing, it works...

I teach a religous Ed. class to teenagers and they watch a lot of MTV... They firmly believe that our country is totalitarian and that when they get old enough they will be drafted and forced into the military against their will...

This stuff works...

Does MTV talk to voters, or brain dead fools? I think the latter.

re: #44 JCM Yep, Mark Knopfler is probably my third favorite guitarist (not including Charles, of course!). He's done so many different styles SO WELL it's just incredible.

re: #47 tfc3rid

Here's the thing, it works...

I teach a religous Ed. class to teenagers and they watch a lot of MTV... They firmly believe that our country is totalitarian and that when they get old enough they will be drafted and forced into the military against their will...

This stuff works...

If the dems take over, they will be drafted. The dems are the ones that want to bring back the draft, charlie rangle.
Hey tfc.

What the fuck kinda sick idiot came up with this idea.

I'm not easily offended but that ad is egregious beyond words.

The next release will feature Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru getting taken down.

MTV is a tool for the social and cultural destruction of the nation. The morality of the kids that grow up on a steady diet of the MTV agenda bodes ill for the future of the nation. Sex, drugs, and violence set to music is a powerful propaganda tool for the destruction of a nation.

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

Clearly, the commercials are intended to suggest "it can happen here," though they don't give any indication how or why it would.

Problem is, for them, is that it did happen here. It happened under two Progressive Democrat presidents: Wilson and FDR.

Wilson shut down newspapers that published anything against WWI, and put people in jail for it.

FDR, of course, rounded up a group of people and threw them in camps without due process.

re: #42 Occasional Reader

And always ask "who is it?" before opening your front door.

I don't know WHAT those fascist stormtroopers would have done if that guy had just checked through the peephole and then said "sorry, you can't come in."

Land Shark.

Sounds like MTV is trying to be edgy like Absolut.

re: #54 Honorary Yooper
"FDR, of course, rounded up a group of people American Citizens and threw them in camps without due process".
Just thought I'd sorta correct that (though of course he also rounded up Japanese people who weren't citizens).

re: #47 tfc3rid

Here's the thing, it works...

I teach a religous Ed. class to teenagers and they watch a lot of MTV... They firmly believe that our country is totalitarian and that when they get old enough they will be drafted and forced into the military against their will...

This stuff works...

I have a sister in law who, in 1999 retreated into the mountains of Northern CA with her commonlaw husband to ride out the Y2K apocalypse. She spent what little money she had on solar cells and agricultural tools.
Needless to say, I never let it go whenever her family is around.

Maybe somewhere in that empty child moonbat MTV mind they will recall some mention of the Holocaust and remember it was perpetrated against the Jews. Probably not though. I see no purpose except to attempt to scare and make the child take notice of something. What? I don't know. But if we follow this we'll find out what they have planned.

re: #56 Penfold Sounds like they've passed Absolut in a flash.
Fuckers.

But I STILL don't "get" these commercials. And what the hell is it with Absolut?

Empty-vee

America is just like Nazi Germany.
Bush is Hitler.

How Orwellian can you get?

Unless you vote for Obama - he is the only one who will save you.
Never mind that Republicans are treated like the Jews in 1939's Germany.

I somehow doubt these are ads promoting the Second Ammendment...

re: #53 gymnast

MTV is a tool for the social and cultural destruction of the nation. The morality of the kids that grow up on a steady diet of the MTV agenda bodes ill for the future of the nation. Sex, drugs, and violence set to music is a powerful propaganda tool for the destruction of a nation.

GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE.

Ironically - leftists would love to shuffle the evil "Rethuglicans" into death camps.

re: #58 Peacekeeper

I have a sister in law who, in 1999 retreated into the mountains of Northern CA with her commonlaw husband to ride out the Y2K apocalypse. She spent what little money she had on solar cells and agricultural tools.
Needless to say, I never let it go whenever her family is around.

Is she happy?

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

"US = Israel = Nazis" and "we = Iraqis

I am he as you are me and we are all together.

Coo coo ca Jew.

re: #63 MandyManners

GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE.

Whew, I can relax, this doesn't rate a "Great Galloping."
;-)

re: #57 realwest

"FDR, of course, rounded up a group of people American Citizens and threw them in camps without due process".
Just thought I'd sorta correct that (though of course he also rounded up Japanese people who weren't citizens).

Thanks. :-) I was just posting quickly and running to the Obama thread w/o PIMF.

re: #67 JCM

Whew, I can relax, this doesn't rate a "Great Galloping."
;-)

Maybe it does.

MTV is owned by VIACOM. Here is VIACOM's contact page, if you feel the need to tell them what you think.

I smell Soros.

/Lord Obama will remove the weapons and dogs from the New York subway system and then hey, you're on your own, good luck!

Good thing we don't get that kind of MTV here.

Doesn't make me feel any less sorry for my generational contemporaries.

Such ignorance. They simply have no idea what they're talking about. And yet they have so much access to young minds. Empty, bored, unchallenged young minds.

And they are the first to silence dissent.

They are what they claim to fear.

So how does this all tie in with Tila Tequila? They must be connected somehow.

(MTV, your only source for, like, totally serious, like, political whatever filosofizin')

re: #27 JCM

The old fart in me asks.

Why do you "watch" music?

I prefer the "live" videos on YouTube.

/ever been to a concert?

re: #65 MandyManners
Eight years on her handcrafted jewelry that she sold personally at fairs and Hippy gatherings has caught on so much that developed arthritic hands and now has the production work done in (get ready) "an Asian country". She designs and sells it.
She no longer lives in an old bus or has to run naked from bears that raided the compost heap- so yes you could say she is happy.

MTV long ago devolved into the shiny objects network and ceased to have any relevance whatsoever.

Wait until Obama is elected and we get a real Holocaust.

I can't actually watch the video here at work, but I think I'm getting the gist of it. I want to run an ad of the "highlights" of life from 1977-1981 - gas lines, Communism on the march throughout the world, the takeover of our embassy in Iran - & say at the end "Carter happened to people like us."

re: #77 Peacekeeper

Would that "Asian country" happen to be the one I'm in? I think I'm up for a little subterfuge. ;)

The left have been very successful in their disgusting fear-mongering propaganda war to paint Bush/America as Hitler. Teens don't just believe it - adults do too.

re: #82 FrogMarch

Well, they say some people never really "grow up."

Oh she's a good person, but she can't be as sanctimonius as she used to be.
Unlike myself who have lead a flawless and successful life in every way.

re: #72 Killian Bundy

I smell Soros.

Indeed.
Look under any left-wing propaganda outfit - and he's usually there.

re: #44 JCM

Now that is one of the GREAT Guitar riff, I've got a bunch of Mark Knopfler.

I've always wondered, does everyone understand thisto be about Viet Nam? Almost favorite song.

MTV is still on? Isn't that the network that used to play music videos, and about a decade ago was hijacked by rappers and now all programming is encoded into something unrecognizable ("booty", "ho", "bling")?

yawn.

I'm shocked that the network that brought us Tila Tequila & The Hills could have sunk so low.
/

Of for the days when MTV had Remote Control with Kari Wuher.

re: #83 laZardo

Well, they say some people never really "grow up."

The left do live in perpetual child-like universe. Utopia is just around the corner because they deserve it.

People believe what they want to believe. The left could care less about anything accept their imaginary grievances.

This is disgusting.

I've never applied Godwin's Law to a TV network before, but MTV, you lose. Not only are you irrelevant- you are disgusting.

I can't say I exactly understand the purpose of the commercials, but something tells me they are trying to equate current US politics to what Hitler did. I haven't watched MTV in a long time bu the last time I was flipping thru the channels MTV was doing some Iraq war thing.

That rotting odor
Must be Kurt Loder

re: #77 Peacekeeper

and now has the production work done in (get ready) "an Asian country"

Not to worry... the child laborers are flogged with whips made of recycled hemp.

re: #45 MandyManners

Jews weren't the only ones in those camps.

And there was a lot more than concentrating going on.

This is offensive because it is false that the Holocaust happened to "people like us." The Holocaust happened (primarily) to Jews because they were Jewish. Ever since the Holocaust, apologists and moral relativists have tried to recast the Holocaust as some sort of work of a single madman (Hitler), a result of harsh economic times, or, more recently, the fault of the victims (these people blame America for the 9/11 attacks). These supposedly enlightened modernist views ignore the fact that Jews, especially Jews, and really *only* Jews, have been the target of persecution, murder, genocide and discrimination for thousands of years and in every part of the globe. See, for example, Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice, written 400 years ago.

Sure, Anne Frank got everyone thinking about what it would be like to be a victim and to empathize with the Jews during the war. Nothing wrong with that, and a lot of other works of art do the same thing (as do the memorials and holocaust museums). But we must never forget that there is a group of people who always and for no reason bear the brunt of the entire world's hate and scorn, which even now is reflected clearly in absolutely reprehensible media coverage of the situation in Israel and Gaza. No other nation would be asked to "go back to" borders set decades ago in order to accommodate a group of people who have openly declared war on you and who are blowing up your children on buses. But the world asks this of the Jews, because they are Jews.

re: #92 chinesearithmetic

That rotting odor
Must be Kurt Loder

Actually, I saw an interview with Kurt Loder recently where he actually seems to get it, re: the War on Terrorism. Wish I could find it, I'd post a link.

re: #7 newsjunkie_ky

Disgusting.

What he said.

And no, you MTV slackers, the Holocaust didn't happen to "people like us," it was people like your grandparents' generation that suffered privations and hardship that you'll -hopefully- never fully comprehend in order to stop the guys that perpetrated the Holocaust. Not to mention stopping the bunch that perpetrated the Rape of Nanjing, the atrocities of Unit 731, and a host of other crimes that you've never been taught about in school.

But all that took considerable amounts of icky violence, and war (that is not good for children and other living things). And two nuclear bombs. You'd best be thankful that you've got some of your peers out there on the front lines willing to dish it out to the kidnapping, torturing, suicide-bombing headchoppers of today before those real Islamofascists decide to try it at your mall or at your school. If that day happens, you'll be grateful for the SWAT team that busts down the door to save your punk ass from another Beslan (look it up). Those guys with the guns are Americans, "people like us," and they're trained not to obey illegal orders, and they'll even defend a frustrated music video director's right to malign them as Nazis.

As for the enemy's perspective, I would've told you to ask Theo Van Gogh about artistic freedom. But they murdered him. No kidding.

Think.

re: #42 Occasional Reader

And always ask "who is it?" before opening your front door.

I don't know WHAT those fascist stormtroopers would have done if that guy had just checked through the peephole and then said "sorry, you can't come in."

"Then I'll huff, and I'll puff..."

re: #76 Killian Bundy

I prefer the "live" videos on YouTube.

/ever been to a concert?

I'm not much of a rock-n-roll guy. Knopfler and Billy Joel being exceptions. Jazz and Classical being my mainstays. I've to classical concerts, and went to see Mannheim Steamroller. I prefer the the small venues.

re: #52 Peacekeeper

The next release will feature Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru getting taken down.

"Only Imperial Stormtroopers could be so precise."

re: #89 FrogMarch

The left do live in perpetual child-like universe. Utopia is just around the corner because they deserve it.

People believe what they want to believe. The left could care less about anything accept their imaginary grievances.

Maybe this explains why so many people brought up in wealthy homes believe in socialism. Their parents gave them everything, and it seemed to cost nothing. So why can't the government do the same? Same with schools that gave good grades for showing up.
They never learned that something is valued only if it is earned.

re #64 FrogMarch

Ironically - leftists would love to shuffle the evil "Rethuglicans" into death camps.

I think they would march the evil "Rethuglican" to RE-EDUCATION camps. Remember they a good PROGRESSIVES.

PoD

re: #80 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are there any memorable photos of the time that the commercial could fade into at the end?

re: #52 Peacekeeper

Way ahead of you on that one.

re: #96 bandit

Concepts like the 'Holocaust" are being overwritten with new meanings for the latest generation. It is a blatant attempt to diminish what it actually means.

re: #109 buzzsawmonkey

It's not revisionism unless it's Holocaust deniers doing it.

/oh, wait...

Ahhh, MTV, that glittering jewel of social regression. MTV shows how low we can sink in our social mores and revels in it. What a disgrace to the potential of humanity.

Don´t get it yet? Just make use of your God-given freedom to get high, and you´ll see it immediately.

What must any American who wants to pursue a career under the current system avoid just like the devil avoids the holy water?

Which ambition of the police is rooted in a totalitarian ideology and requires otherwise law-abiding citizens to work around the rule of law in their everyday lives?

Which failed doctrine is turning large numbers of innocents into prison population, by means of surprise attacks both in public and against homes?

Which evil policy did even Bush the so-called abolitionist avoid to abolish, although he could have done so with the stroke of a pen?

What did America do against itself precisely at the time when Germany was heading into the holocaust?

re: #107 laZardo

An American classic. Better than all three of Lucas' prequels combined.

MTV jumped the shark a while ago.

re: #112 Sacred Plants
Fascinating...some sort of cannabis based life form. Completely alien.

BIG WEED IS RIPPING US OFF!

MTV sucks anyway. On the one hand, they turned down this video (I know most people here won't like it, but still...) because of the theme, then they show ho possy videos like they're going out of style.

re: #115 Peacekeeper

LOL. Completely alien to MTV, that is.

MTV GET OFF THE AIR

/as valid now as it ever was

re: #117 Sacred Plants

The WAR ON DRUGS is an excellent template for taking down Freedom. You got the whole checklist; demonizing, threat to children, imprisoning people for looong times, seizing property, surveillance,

re: #112 Sacred Plants

Oh brother.

well, at least they're not saying the holocaust never happened...

I'm waiting for the day for MTV to play this:

I'm an American by Stuck Mojo

Hate me
Blame me
You can't shame me
Come and stand with me
I'm American

#96 bandit..

You're right, and the reason I said the jews were the primary people the holocaust happened to was that it has been a thematic hatred in Europe for so long. Hitler just realized the power of that hate and used it to fuel his rise to power.

He may very well have believed this himself; but the important fact to remember is that Europe, not just Germany and / or Hitler, had a long standing tradition of anti-semitism.

Now, I do feel bad for ignoring the other victims, gypsies, homosexuals, etc. I feel even worse looking at that etc knowing it means millions dead.

I do not feel particularly worried that the MTV youth has this fate in their immediate future; I do worry that MTV thinks (rightly) that they can sell that idea (and cheapen the real victims).

re: #112 Sacred Plants

That's Beautiful man...

re: #122 Fasternu426

They created CMT to put all the patriotic music where it belongs.

As it were.

re: #120 Charles

You´ve been looking for the most powerful domino effect in the world all these years, didn´t you? Here you are. And keep up the good work!

I don't have cable anyhow. Gave it up two years ago to save $$$ and never looked back. My 8 yr old has never seen MTV! I do miss the Sci-Fi Channel, History, and Military Channels!

Charles..he's got a point-granted it's lit and emitting pyschedelic smoke...

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

I'm calling the typical, white grammar police right now.

And I´m calling for an opportunity to break my fast, and as it seems grammatically appropriate also for one to talk to a native speaker.

Here's the good news: as far as I can tell, teenagers barely even know that MTV exists. YouTube > MTV.

So, that would be the holocaust that didn't really happen,right?

I found this to be more then a deluded attempt to claim America as a police state- I found it anti-Semitic. They cheapen the Holocaust by trying to claim it happened to more people than it did. I find that more offensive than any claim of "police state".

Sadly, so many of our fellow citizens are ignorant of anything that took place before they were 6 years old. Nazis weren`t just some vaguely bad people that wouldn`t let you do whatever you felt like doing, wars weren`t low-casualty affairs that happened somewhere else to some other people, sacrifice didn`t usually mean you could buy only one neat thing instead of two, gasoline was never free, long forgotten diseases could actually kill you, work was mostly very physical and no such thing as benefits, dental work was terrifying, true political freedom was as scarce as snow in the Sahara, on and on.

Several years ago I saw an Oprah (I know, I know) show where she asked random young people on the streets of Chicago about Hitler. The ignorance was astonishing, and a recent British smart aleck sketch asking random Americans simple geography, history and current affairs questions would be funny if it wasn`t so appalling. These people actually are allowed to vote. What would they make of Gettysburg, Stalingrad, the Somme, polio, real depressions and homelessness, secret police in the middle of the night, plagues, food shortages, blacksmith dentists, blood-letting doctors, real oppression instead of "do whatever turns you on". Life is so easy and good in this country compared to almost any place or time in world history that anything but the present situation has almost been purged from the national consciousness. A very, very big wake-up call is in store for many I`m afraid. Meanwhile their votes count as much as ours.

Call me devil's advocate, but the MTV page is part of the site dealing with discrimination in general. There is also a bio page highlighting some real Holocaust victims as well.

Today's youth do not have a good grasp on Jewish history or they don't care to know. Worse, it's being rewritten by the Arabs and Iranians. As we get further away from the mid '40's and to the end of our last eye-witness survivors, it's imperative that the horror of that time be remembered accurately, so I have no problem with the links or the subject matter.

To the idea of using American police, American subways, etc., my impression is that they are trying to relate this "far away time" to something real and tangible to them. The video allows you to imagine yourself being plucked out of your everyday life, horded out of a train in a mass of confusion, and not understanding what's going on. Old pictures of people in the 40's, even Anne Frank's diary may be difficult to relate to because it has a "that can't happen to me" feeling.

And yes indeed, it did happened to PEOPLE LIKE US! Ordinary people going about their business.

I read an European article (maybe Charles linked it) where a teacher assigned each child a story to write about a similarly aged child that was murdered in the Holocaust. The teacher explained it was a way for the children to relate the tragedy to themselves through the eyes of child like themselves. As I recall there was controversy that it would be too frightening for them. I want to say they were about 10-12 yrs old.

At any rate, I see this video in the same way. Not that this is going to happen to you now (although we always have to be mindful), but to relate it to their every day lives.

sorry for the length

Don't see MTV but until the end of the "ad"- I would have thought it was some film showing people being attacked on the subway - I expected Iron Man or Superman or Batman to come in.

I don't think "the Holocaust happened to people like us"(well, I am Jewish so in a sense it did) but America is not Germany.

I think it's a horrible advertisement campaign. It doesn't matter why they are doing it. It is lazy and stupid. The whole point of this is to shock people and stir up controversy. Which is to stir up revenue among idiots who watch their programming. "Ooooh, the guy is carrying a machine gun. Ooooh, the man was attacked in his house. Wowww, so scary, so intereting, so deeep!"

It's moronic.

An honest way to go about this, would be to have an advertisement campaign showing each of the amendments, one after the other. For example,

Black screen, the music from "Just Stop" by Disturbed starts up. at :45
the following words fade in

"The First Amendment"

fade out, then again

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

at 2:09, Fade out.

"Know your rights."

End.

Simple, effective. If you can read, you get the point. Do this with each of the amendments.

You know what? Fuck it. I'll do it and post it on youtube. Let's see if I'm right.

-ron

An excellent comment at that link bears repeating here:

MuscleDaddy said...

I've said, any number of times before, that the next truly evil man to take over a country and threaten the rest of the world - would not come speaking hard truths about "work to be done" or "a fight we must win" or "a hard road ahead".

The next one will come with a smile, clean hands and saying EXACTLY what the masses want to hear.

What the history-cherry-pickers can be relied upon to neglect is that the German populace LOVED Hitler in the early years - the man was a rock-star, with people shouting and lifting their children into the air as he went by.

...and all because he told them what they wanted to hear - that he would 'lift them up' from their current situation - because he promised them a time of 'Hope' and a time of 'Change'.

Maybe MTV is more subtle than we realize - maybe someone there sees it, but has to keep the ads ambiguous enough to stay off the MoveOn.org radar.

- One can always hope so, anyway.

I really doubt it, but I like the sentiment.

Considering the abuses perpetuated by the Patriotic Act, the actions of the BATFU, and the militarization of our police departments, I'm not sure that it points an inaccurate picture. However I don't know if that's the message that was intended or not. Regardless of whether or not it supposed to convey a radical liberal or radical conservative point of view it does portray a realistic depiction of runaway government control. In addition, the holocaust is often used by those of us on anti gun control side to show what happens when the government decides that only the government should be armed.

If you don't defend your rights the government isn't going to do it for you.

re: #126 laZardo

CMT is for Country Music. There is patriotic non-country music... Stuck Mojo is a Rap-Metal Band... which really doesn't work on a Country Music channel.

The moral equivalence between the Nazis and Bush is obscene. Seems to be a common trait of the moonbats these days... Here was my reply to some of the panty waists complaining about airport security on that site:

MTV has always been very left of center. If they are trying to compare the Holocaust to our attempts to thwart another terrorist attack here they need to take a trip to a good library (the Holocaust is well documented). Or they should have talked to my Uncle before he died a few years ago: one walk through Konzentrationslager Dachau at the end WWII was enough to make that combat veteran quit believing in God!

No one has been more “inconvenienced” by airport security than airline employees. As a 25yr commercial pilot for a major airline, I’ve been subjected to it all! But I have also had terrorist cells do “dry runs” or “probing actions” on my flights. At times it is very frustrating to know they are there but not be able to do anything about it, but that is the price we pay for our freedom. When high explosives can be manufactured in sheets as thin as paper, or packaged to look like a D-cell battery, or components of it transported in liquid form inside soft drink containers, or in paste consistency inside a toothpaste tube, to be later mixed inside the “biffy” of a commercial jet, that security checkpoint will become a hassle to those who don’t concern themselves with such matters. The “ACLU types” who scream the loudest about security will be the first to whine and litigate when one of our planes goes down...

Inconvenience at the airport, or having your phone calls to Afghanistan monitored (that’s a good thing!) doesn’t begin to compare with what happened in Europe during WWII, or what the Islamisists are doing right now all over the world...Get a grip kids...

I wonder if they're going to show them on MTV Europe. It's funny how MTV has become one long 24 hour commercial with a few minutes of stupidity (jackass) violence (take your pick of any rapper), and raunchiness (madonna, britney etc). It's kind of hard to take any of MTV seriously anymore. I mean with the Kanye West diatribe, the "boxers or briefs " debate during the Clinton Era, etc etc. What I resent most isn't that they're on the air in the US, but that they export their crap abroad. Nothing like Beavis and Butthead in 32 different languages or having students think that most american males are as stupid as the jackass crew.

I think that those ads accurately portray what life under Barack Hussein Obama would be like if he could have his way.

What is the problem?

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

I have hated--hated--"relevance" since it first reared its ugly head in the mid-'60s. Teach people to read; teach them how, not what, to think; teach them that history is important, exciting, and real, and "relevance" will take care of itself.

Let kids read The Painted Bird, by Jerzy Kosinski; let them read The Silver Sword, by Ian Serailleur (also published in this country as "Escape from Warsaw"); let them read Snow Treasure, by I forget who; let them read any of the many other accounts of life under the Nazis. Some of it will stick. If the kids have no problem imagining themselves as Muggles or Hogwarts students, they should have no trouble imagining themselves in the situations these books describe. Why worry that these things will be "too frightening?" These are children who have grown up on entertainments more graphically violent by far than existed 20, 30 or 40 years ago. If the children are "frightened," that merely means that the texts are so compelling as to be able to break through the soul-deadening entertainments they experience on a routine basis.

Hey, Buzz, if you're still reading.

I agree with you about relevance, but I still think it's a good way to get to these kids. Kids... some are 20 somethings already. I'm assuming they have basic reading skills, but by reading their websites, they can't put a coherent sentence together or even spell correctly. That video-ladened MTV generation, as you say. They have no idea what goes on in the world, particularly where it concerns Jews, accept the crap they pick up from the current culture/political climate. Who's voting for Obama?

The only reason I have this opinion is because it came from here. This page is about Discrimination, not U.S./world domination and has other appropriate material to the subject.

It's not like what PETA did. Use actual pictures of victims in the camps (not done here), one of which was Elie Wiesel, as you know! to exploit their message. Completely different scenario.

and I'm completely willing to admit I'm off base, but it's my impression.

I also agree with you about the teacher and her class.

re: #142 ploome hineni

"it happened to people like us"
and Jesus is a palestinian
and Zionism is racism
and Israel is apratheid state
and Israel practises gneocide
Israel/Jews are not like us

Wow. You know Jews are not the only ones who have genocide practiced against them. And the majority of my family was killed in Europe.

"People like us". The Frank family were "people like us". They worked, went to school. Had friends, parties, cried and laughed, too. Any adolescent could relate to Anne's diary. It's timeless.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Sorry, I don't see the problem with this one.

No see...you don't understand.

This is a BUSINESS decision for the huge machine that is Viacomm.

See, because of the net and satellite, the TV biz is now global. The market V'comm is aiming at is WAY larger than the US. IT's the entire English speaking world. That includes English speakers in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.
They are using these spots to position themselves to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF the Anti-American sentiment that exists in other parts of the world (where it's fairly common to think of America = Nazi.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this stuff creatively or from a business standpoint - but IMHO it's about business, not so much politics.

Trust me, if there was a huge market for pro-American stuff - MTV (along with most everyone else in the media) would be pumping the stuff out like nobody's business.

At a glance, I don't think they are bad ads. Those who aren't vigilant about their freedom will lose it. We can all speculate as to the ideology behind them, but I still think they are good ads.

Police State Amerika! right. How about this, if you care for a reality check: Police State Canada!

“June the 2nd, my show trial for hate crimes begins in British Columbia. ...
GLENN: Are you going up into Canada to stand trial?
STEYN: Yeah. I'm going to confront my accusers, I'm going to be reporting live from the witness box insofar as I can because I don't believe the book is a hate crime and if the government of Canada wants to make it a hate crime, then they are going to have to tell me to my face.
GLENN: What's the worst thing they can do to you up in Canada?
STEYN: Well, like they did with this pastor in Alberta who wrote a letter to his newspaper about gay marriage. They have given him a lifetime ban on ever speaking or writing publicly about homosexuality anywhere in public again. “

Brownshirt University Leftists are gearing up to silence free speech on campuses all across America. Self-appointed enforcers, they will tell you and me what is acceptable speech and what is Mindcrime. Islamofascist Awareness Week is Mindcrime and will be suppressed.

The event is set up by Frontpage, which is online. Go on over and remember: private security must be increased. It is now required to protect the speakers from Minitru's Red Guard Mindcrime Enforcers. These punka$$ thugs ARE Police State America.