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not what the prophet would want

Sat, Jun 8, 2002 at 9:54:12 am PDT

A Muslim teacher of international relations at Mount Holyoke College in Massachusetts writes an article for the Washington Post condemning suicide bombings: Not What the Prophet Would Want. It’s always good to see Muslims take this stand, although it would mean more if it came from a religious leader instead of a teacher.

But there are also troubling statements in this article, revealing an underlying victimhood and hatred of Israel that comes through in spite of the writer’s attempt to appear even-handed. For example:

Only the most morally obtuse would deny the genuine suffering of the Palestinian people during the past 60 years or the legitimacy of their demand for a state.

In other words, Palestinians have been suffering at the hands of Israel since 1948.

No one can deny that there’s tremendous suffering in Palestinian areas. But is it the fault of Israel? If the Arabs who lived in the area (which was not “Palestine,” by the way; it was controlled by England and the Hashemite kingdom of Transjordan prior to 1948) had accepted the UN’s original partition plan, they would have had their state from day one, on much more land than they’ll ever get now. Instead, the Palestinian Arabs were promised by their Arab neighbors that they would be allowed back into the area as soon as the surrounding Arab countries finished wiping Israel off the map—a disastrous miscalculation based on hatred and self-delusion that continues to this day. After that first war, the Palestinian Arabs were deliberately kept as unsettled refugees by their Arab “brothers” (with the complicity of the UN), instead of being accepted into their countries and repatriated. And so it remains, because the Palestinians are worth more to the cynical leaders of the Arab world as permanent victims.

So who is really responsible for their suffering?

And as for that second point, that “only the most morally obtuse” can deny the legitimacy of Palestinian demands for a state—well, the author himself does a pretty good job of refuting it:

The Palestinians who defend suicide bombings -- or terrorism in general -- must ask themselves if their tactic is yielding any result except death and misery for themselves and the Israelis, not to mention an erosion of international confidence in their willingness to live peacefully within their own state. Beyond that, they must ask what type of nation they hope to become. The way people struggle against oppression determines in large part what type of nation they will be once they are free.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

And what to make of this?

Another argument frequently made by Muslim scholars is that of reciprocity. As Sheik Ahmed Yassin, leader of Hamas, has repeatedly said, "As long as they target our civilians, we will target their civilians." No doubt Israel's occupation and attacks have inflicted terrible civilian casualties, if not through direct targeting, then through the disproportionate use of force, such as sending tanks against boys throwing stones or using helicopter gunships to assassinate suspected militants and to bomb targets in heavily populated areas.

Never mind the offensive implication that the bloodthirsty freak Yassin can be considered a “scholar.” Every time I read one of these “boys throwing stones/disproportionate use of force” arguments, I want to ask these idiots what they think would be proportionate? Sending disguised IDF soldiers into Palestinian areas with nail-stuffed bomb belts? Sneaking into Palestinian towns in the middle of the night and shooting children in their beds? Throwing grenades into a kindergarten? As for bombing in heavily populated areas, do discotheques and pizza parlors count?

Throughout this article, notice how the words “oppression” and “occupation” are used as if they’re simple facts, not open to debate at all.

Unfortunately, although he does condemn suicide bombing, there’s no sign whatsoever that the author accepts the existence of Israel. Quite the opposite, in fact; his position seems to be that while attacks against civilians are immoral and counter-productive, the war against Israel itself is justified and should continue. The language throughout is not of conciliation and peace; it’s of victimhood and war and struggle against the evil Zionists. And I can’t avoid the conclusion that the only reason articles like this are appearing at all is because anti-Israel Arabs are dimly starting to perceive that we’re on to them.

So they tell us what we want to hear, in the Washington Post. Which has no effect at all on monsters like this.

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1 J Lichty  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 9:18:41am

They are right that they are victims. Victims of their own hate, and general uselessness to the civilized world. I much prefer the unbridled, out in the open support that Hamas gives to its anti-Semitism, than this milquetoast, half-assed, self-serving "condemnation."

I agree that the "disproportionate force" argument is infuriating, and just patently untrue. How many times have we seen footage of "rock boys" throwing at a passing tank, which is obviously on its way else where. If the IDF were really killing "rock boys" with tanks, we wouldn't see them drive by the boys, they would stop and kill them.

Boy what I wouldn't do to make their oil dry up tomorrow. We would give them about as much attention as the tibetan's get.

2 Maine's Michael  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 12:36:37pm

It seems that 20th century Arab culture, of which Islamofascism is the most negative element, may be on its way to the trashbin of history.

Unable to filed a single government representative of its people, unable to manufacture a single item more complex that a cotton T-shirt, it is likely doomed.


Israel's burgeoning (military) trade and eventual political support by the world's two most populous countries, China and India, as well as the slow but inevitable percolation of fuel cell technology into western economies, will spell the end of any meaningful arab influence in the world, or their capability to mount political threats to Israel.

Their signifiance will shrink to the proportion that their economies and militaries deserve - not much.

If we can just keep them from nuking an american or israeli city in the near to medium term, they are history.

(See debkafile today, right column, for one perspective on the depth of Israel-India cooperation, and at least a potential for the negation of the Iranian and pakistani nuclear threats)

3 Evan_the_Bored  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 12:42:38pm

This reminds me of a radio interview with the Palestinian "ambassador" to Australia. When asked if he was willing to work with Israelis for a Palestinian state, he calmly answered yes. Then, when asked if he condemned suicide bombings, he said yes...BUT, then he went off on a bloody tangent describing the damage Israel had done in the West Bank towns and calling Israel's actions a "war of genocide against our people". He then went on to say that it was the Israelis' fault that Oslo failed, because they kept building settlements - that the Palestinians were willing to accept 22% (the West Bank and Gaza) of their nation of Palestine (ie. the whole of Israel), but the Israelis did not want that.

They're all the same.

4 Maine's Michael  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 12:53:56pm

The young failed bomber enjoying israeli health care in clean sheets, with access to the press, and the attention of competent docs, is a sad reminder of the gulf that separates Israeli society from arab.

The gulf does not seem bridgeable in the near or even medium term, does it?

These twisted, deformed fruits of islamist society, molded from cradle to early grave, may be FUBAR (official medical term, means 'fucked up beyond any repair').

5 Eric Pobirs  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 1:20:10pm

It is just amazing to me how devalued the word 'genocide' has become. The way it so easily rolls off the lips of Arabs who need to level a charge against the Israelis so dire that anything they do can be excused

It must come as the grimmest of black humor to anyone that ever served in the IDF and restrained themselves from doing what the soldiers of so many other less civilized nations would have done. If Israel were truly genocidal then answering each rock thrown with a bullet fired would have long since left the Palestinians with a severely depleted pool of young adult males.

Actually it would never get that far. If it were truly fatal to throw rocks at the IDF the number of people willing to be seen in public holding a rock would be very small.

6 Michael Lonie  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 2:09:30pm

In 1982 when the Muslim Brotherhood staged a revolt in the Syrian city of Hama Hafez Asad had the Syrian Army level the place and kill everyone they could catch. No one knows the final tally, but I have seen mubers up to 25-30,000, or about ten percent of the city's population.

When Yassir Arafat mounted a challenge to King Hussein of Jordan in 1970 the King killed thousands of PLO fighters and threw the rest out of Jordan. The figures I have seen range up to 15,000, although again it does not seem any one was keeping close track. The Arab feeling seems to be "why bother?"

If Israel behaved like the Arabs Jenin would be a smoldering ruin and about 20,000 people would have died. That might have convinced the Palestinian Arabs that Israel means business and that they ought to keep the peace. Israel did not do so because the Israelis are not Arabs. If the Palestinian Arabs want the Israelis to behave like them, well they can keep on murdering Israelis until the latter blow their stacks. If the Palestinian Arabs want to live peacefully they had better reconcile themselves to Jewish neighbors. Their "Arab Brothers" will not lift a finger to help them in their hour of need. And if their murder cvampaign makes the word "Palestinian" stink in the nostrils of Americans, as it is doing, we won't lift a finger to help them either.

I see where the various factions of Palestinian terrorists are working on developing nerve gas weapons for use against Israel. The Palestinians had better repudiate and rid themselves of these savages before they make a successful gas attack on Israel, because when Israel goes ape-shit over the results of such an attack the Palestinians won't get a particle of sympathy from anybody but the Chomskys and Pilgers.

7 E. Nough  Sat, Jun 8, 2002 2:31:07pm

It is just amazing to me how devalued the word 'genocide' has become.

Indeed, and it's not just the Arab press. See, for example, references to assimilation as "cultural genocide."

8 J. Lichty  Sun, Jun 9, 2002 5:51:37am

MIchael Lonie:

I think we optimists feel that Israel will use necessary force, when they get mad enough.

There are too many in Israel who think that they can actually "win over" world opinion, or at least U.S. opinion through restraint. Arafat would be gone, but for Bush/Powell.

The key is not when will Israel get pushed over the edge, because I believe they are now. The question is what will it take for the Sugar Daddy U.S. to be pushed over the edge, so that Israel will finally have "freedom" to act decisvely.

Of course decisive victory will bring renewed calls for restraint and concessions, and the defeated will once again be freed from the costs of defeat.

9 Calixto  Sun, Jun 9, 2002 2:13:37pm

I've gotten into an argument with a Muslim over India, simply because I mentioned that India (and Hindus) are apparently supportive of Israel...degenerating into an argument over why the Hindus aren't too keen on the Muslims either.

The civilized nature of Israeli society in that NYT article is something I should bring up. Like the wounded IDF soldier, I doubt the Pals would take the wounded to a hospital.

Treating Jenin like Hama would certainly scare the Pals into line...though it would be a true atrocity. Unfortunately, several times in history, terrorism has been crushed only by counter-terror like Hama.

The Assassins, the most famous suicide terrorists of the Middle Ages were finally stopped by the Mongol Khans. They crushed the Assassins, destroyed their Eagle's Nest...and now they are a simple, quiet, peaceful sect of Sufis.

Cal

10 Nadine Carroll  Sun, Jun 9, 2002 3:11:17pm

I was interested in the comments made by the failed suicide bomber. He says he was wounded by the IDF shooting him, a totally implausible lie. I read this as lying for duty -- it's his duty to miss no occasion to make the IDF look bad. But amusingly, he can't keep it up face-to-face against Israelis who are in his room, "Mr. Zaydan expressed gratitude for his treatment, even by his immediate captors. "This Jewish policeman is better than many, many Arabs," he said, indicating one of his monitors."

You get the sense of different reactions depending which reaction is fired off first, hate Jews here, be polite to your company there. Not much of anything we would call thought, though.


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