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Tue, Jul 2, 2002 at 9:17:15 am PDT

Noted authority on Islamic terrorism Stephen Schwartz has been fired from his job at the new Middle East radio network at The Voice of America, apparently because the State Department didn’t like his criticisms of our “allies” the Saudis.

Schwartz had gone to VOA expecting to find himself part of an established outfit that followed the rules of journalist’s culture; instead he found what he now calls an "absolute dictatorship of political correctness." His superiors berated him for taking part in a VOA online talk program on the funding of terrorist funding of Islamic charities, on the grounds that he was moving away from journalistic standards; his column in The New York Post on Richard Reid and John Walker Lindh was criticized for his harsh evaluation of their actions. Moreover, he was told that he had to take his name off two recent articles criticizing the Saudis which appeared in The Weekly Standard, even though he never identified himself as a VOA employee or spokesman for their network in his articles, but rather, as an independent observer who had written a soon to be published book, The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa’ud from Tradition to Terror. Evidently, to the people who now run the VOA, toadying to the Saudis is more important than allowing the network to air anything which reveals the role played behind the scenes by the Saudi government in sponsoring terrorism, which would interfere with State’s diplomatic approach to the Saudis.
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1 Michael Glazer  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 7:35:57am

Not surpirsing the state deptarment is responible personally for devaluing the US passport overseas.

Many kidnapped Americans have been held captive by the saudi governement with absolutely no help from the state dept. tot he point where the saudi officials laugh in official letters to the parents of kidnapped american children 'that your goverment could care less about' based on negative help from the state deptarment.

2 Ben Noah  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 7:39:59am

Do you ever wonder why they really have our nuts in a crunch? Can it seriously be this oil shit? I mean they would be economically suicidal to use oil as a weapon, so what is it that they know or have on us that is causing this incredibly screwed up policy? Maybe I'm being paranoid, but it just seems so freaking odd.

3 James  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 7:42:21am

I don't think it's the oil. I think it's that our government is made up of human beings, too many of whom like their Saudi buddies who give them nice gifts and will give them nice jobs after leaving government.

4 addison  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 7:50:30am

Didn't Charles have an article recently linked about State Department officials all running off to Saudi Arabia for plush jobs when they finished at the State Department?

5 Amy  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 8:38:42am

The State Department has a tradition of Arabism and antisemitism (following in the best old British Lawrence of Arabia tradition). And it's not just the oil; it's also having a strategic toehold in the region from where we can spy on Iraq and launch operations if necessary.

6 Robert Crawford  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 8:41:02am

We don't need either Saudi Arabia or Kuwait to get into Iraq. We can come in through Lebanon and Syria.

Oh, and Turkey.

7 BigDogDaddy  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 9:06:19am

Perhaps the whole mid-east should be reminded that we have low yield Neutron bombs that kill people but leave everything else functional in a short time span. If we want the oil, we can have it easily. Peace in the region would be a nice byproduct.

8 Jonathan  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 9:48:17am

William Safire just wrote about this yesterday in the NYT.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

9 J Lichty  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 10:22:35am

Isn't the VOA supposed to be American propoganda and not "balanced news?"

What the hell is happening at Foggy Bottom? Bot these guys will go to no lengths to give the Arabs what they want.

This is absolutely sickening for our president to be contradicted by VOA.

10 Eric the CR  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 10:47:17am

Curious side note from the Corner...

According to this article

[Link: www.naqshbandi.org...]

Schwartz converted to Islam.. Sufi Islam that is.

Does anyone know if this is true? It doesn't matter either way, but I was curious.

11 RG Fulton  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 10:53:28am

The House of Saud are nothing but a clique of table-cloth head parasites, who are nothing but human pollutants to both their countrymen and to the world. The Brits (Lawrence of Arabia et al) had supported a Hashemite opposition to the Ottoman Turks, only to have followers of ibn Wahab ride on Hash' coattails, and force a fait accompli after the Allies defeated the Central Powers.

In any case, the Wahabi notion of "walah" (Islamic loyalty) prohibits adherence to the current norms of international law. They only plan to play the diplomatic game because it is the only one in town, until they achieve their cherished goal of re-establishing a Wahabi Khalifa.

MAKE A PERSONAL STATEMENT: DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE WAHABI ENTITY AS A BONA FIDE TERRITORIAL STATE? I sure the hell don't.

12 Jeremy  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 11:06:15am

Most Sufis are pretty decent people. As a Gnostic, I've met a lot of Sufis (we share a lot in common). They also tend to be hated by other muslims. At least the Wahabis.

13 BarCodeKing  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 11:13:32am

From the linked article on FrontPage site:

Schwartz’s dismissal, as William Safire suggested in yesterday’s New York Times, takes place in the context of the VOA’s decision, in the name of editorial balance, to broadcast interviews with Muslim supporters of terror, including a platform for the Taliban leader Muhammad Omar.

Editorial balance? SCREW Editorial Balance!

It's supposed to be the Voice of AMERICA, not the Voice of Al-Qaida!

Who's the dumbfuck (pardon my French) at VOA who didn't get THAT memo?!

14 Toren  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 11:47:09am

It's mind-boggling that the folks in charge of the VOA think it's supposted to be some kind of shortwave version of NPR. As stated above by J Lichty, the VOA--quite bluntly--is supposed to be American propaganda. This doesn't mean lies, but it does mean presentation of the positive aspects of the U.S. nearly to the point of the complete exclusion of the negatives. Why? Because the idea is that the VOA is supposed to counter the propaganda of the other side, which paints the U.S. as the Great Satan and a hell on Earth, so that their starving, oppressed populations won't start wondering why they don't have VCRs and 500 channels of satellite TV with nothing to watch, not to mention food and clean water.
VOA is advertising for the U.S., not a sort of national Fox News, or worse, CNN. Or even worse, NPR.
Hey, hey, ho, ho...the State Department has got to go!

15 TeddyFlipped  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 12:10:02pm
Schwartz converted to Islam.. Sufi Islam that is.
If he ever really converted apparently he's now "unconverted". Pravda (great source) says his conversion was brief. The Australian Muslim Council (another great source) says it was a cover for when he was a reporter in Bosnia. The plot thickens.
16 Eric the CR  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 12:10:02pm

Jeremy,

I've got nothing against Sufis. My father grew up in Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan is predominantly Sufi, although al-queda has brought in many insurgent Wahabi elements. He was the only non-Muslim in a in a small Sufi village and he was treated well and has never had a bad word to say about them.

Too bad they lack the influence (oil wealth) of the Wahabis.

17 BigDogDaddy  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 12:12:56pm

Maybe Tom Cruise could go to work for VOA to provide balance.

18 Michael Glazer  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 12:23:22pm

Tom Cruise is GAY!

19 J Lichty  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 12:38:25pm

What did Tom Cruise say?

He was good in Minority Reoprt.

Tom Cruise is gay?

20 kathyn  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 1:10:24pm

Maybe Bill Maher should apply for the position of announcer/reporter for VOA. Then it could be the "Politically Correct VOA". (I always thought Bill's show was misnamed since most of his guests were left coasters.)

I do think that VOA's #1 purpose is to counterbalance all the anti-American propaganda out there. It is supposed to be the Voice of all that's right with America.

21 Mark  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 2:17:33pm

Oh, really! What happened to free speach?

22 Toren  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 2:48:03pm

"Oh, really! What happened to free speach?"
That's amusing.
Ask the Islamists, the North Koreans, Castro, etc. VOA exists primarily to counter their propaganda machines--which, I recall correctly, are not affected in the least by the First Amendment--and it would be stupid of us to bring a knife to a gunfight. Most new organizations exist to bring you bad news and have little interest in the good ("200 million people in American had a great day yesterday!"). The VOA should point out the good, and if you don't think America is a better place to live than Zimbabwe, you're an idiot and there is no cure.
In any case the same shortwave that brings them VOA will pick up the BBC and others. They'll have plenty of opportunity to see our dirty laundry, such as it is (Enron's naughty accounting scandal is not morally equivalent to 200,000 slaughtered Hutus, sorry to tell you). But I'm not sure why we should waste effort waving it in front of people who are starving, brutalized, and powerless. I think it's more important to let them know things could be better, and plant the seeds of democracy in their heads.
They'll learn the downsides of democracy (such as Cynthia McKinny, D-GA) soon enough. But it beats the hell out of living in a fascist hellhole.

23 Q  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 3:17:50pm

Why is everybody picking on Maher? He's a libertarian.

24 Donna V.  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 4:11:43pm

Maher might call himself a liberatarian, but he voted for Nader, which makes him part of the looney left in my book. Of course, I once read an interview in which he actually bragged about not having read a book in 8 years, so maybe he's confused as to what liberatarian actually means.

25 Donna V.  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 4:14:53pm

Sorry, should be libertarian. I shouldn't post without my contacts in.

26 terrence  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 5:56:50pm

Are you sure it was a typo, Donna V?

I prefer “liberatarian" with emphasis on the RAT.

Someone said Maher was a libertine, not a libertarian.
But then lots of people who call themselves libertarian really are libertines, who just want to smoke dope without fear of arrest.

27 Q  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 6:08:45pm

What's wrong with that?

28 kathyn  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 6:13:08pm

Sorry to pick on you, Mark #21. But it's free "speech", not free "speach". (Is that a cross between spinach and a peach?) The VOA has a specific purpose and it's not to give voice to negativity about America, nor to give aid and comfort to our enemies. We're selling hope and a better way and I believe that America, with all her warts, is still the best, finest hope for the world.

29 Q  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 6:42:18pm

I have to admit, the fact that Maher voted for Nader (I didn't know that) DOES work against him. Still, he made a lot of valid points at his show.

30 Michael Glazer  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 10:05:45pm

Ralph Nader is a A-rab!

31 M. Simon  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 10:07:57pm

If Americans could smoke dope without fear of arrest we would have a LOT more resources to fight the New Nazis.

The FBI has about 2,100 agents working dope and about 1,700 working the Fascists.

Any one see a problem with this picture?

32 M. Simon  Tue, Jul 2, 2002 10:59:26pm

From "The Magic Monastery" by Idries Shah:

Success

A MAN went to a Sufi and said:
'Teach me how to be successful.'
The Sufi said:
'I will teach you more than that. I shall teach you to be generous to the unsuccessful. That will pave te way to your own success, and give you far mre. I shall also teach you how to be generous towards the successful; otherwise you will be liable to become bitter and unable to work towards success.'

33 BigDogDaddy  Wed, Jul 3, 2002 5:17:03am

>>>Why is everybody picking on Maher? He's a libertarian.

Because he is a smug, arrogant, cynical, left leaning stand up comic who thought he could make a buck as a political pundit. If you really listen to the crap he usually spews, it is politically CORRECT, not incorrect. His show is misnamed and always has been. A stand up comic becoming a pundit is about as realistic as Bush doing the college circuit with a stand up routine. Sure, Maher has an opinion...so do I, but no one offered me a show. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they usually stink. If Maher were actually informed, then his show might amount to more than just entertainment.

34 M. Simon  Wed, Jul 3, 2002 6:34:22am

The only thing Maher is libertarian about is drugs.

Otherwise he is your standard semi-socialist leftie.

His stance on drugs is admirable. His stance on eveything else stinks.

35 Michael Glazer  Wed, Jul 3, 2002 6:58:00am

Why do the populous 'care' so much about those who get wealthy through their admiration?

Are they really more than teddy bears?

36 denise  Wed, Jul 3, 2002 12:56:16pm

VOA: Where editorial "balance," political correctness and elitist guilt rule the day (truth is secondary, at best; promotion of American values is discouraged).

Well, if VOA's goal is to show what America is really all about, then I think they've hit it on the head.

37 hunden  Thu, Aug 8, 2002 7:53:04am

I read the Pravda piece about Stephen Schwartz. Judging from what I know about the Balkans — I am a seven-year student in Serbo-croat,
from what I have read by Stephen Schwartz and from what the author of the article said about him, I must conclude that this source is too often and too wildly inaccurate — and disingenuous if one supposes that it knows anything — to be relied upon for any meaningful purposes.

The only pending question about this Pravda outfit — which I intend to ask from a friend who is specialist of Russia — is whether the Pravda was at any time truthful before Putin took over.

38 hunden  Thu, Aug 8, 2002 3:51:41pm

I got a first answer about Pravda.ru from my specialist of Russia: they are allegedly Communists, albeit a little more "human" because of their links with the mafia.


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