It's time to make hummus out of Hamas.

(okay so I recycled this one, it still applies)

"We will not take an only son on a suicide mission." ...but only daughters? hell yeah!...besides what are they good for: cooking and breeding, right? At least if they're devout muslims...not like that Suha Arafat

We will not take an only son on a suicide mission.

Kind of like the Saving Private Ryan mission isn't it? They care soooo much it is heartwarming.

Translation:

Religious beliefs - stupid enough to swallow 'The 72 Virgins' story

Parental Approval - idiotic parents greedy enough to take a cash payment in exchage for their son/daughter's death

Ability - Willing to kill innocent people

Encourage others - leave a videotaped proof of your idiocy.

Don't know where else to put this, but figured here's OK, since it has to do with hate:

Ding, dong! Pierce, the neo-Nazi author of The Turner Diaries, is dead.

[Link: nytimes.com...]

We should all hoist one in celebration.

a) Blasting this guy to hell is justice at its finest.
b) Yeah, I'm rolling my eyes too at the Hamas spokesmen on CNN expressing outrage that Israel would harm civilians. (And following it up with threats to blow up more buses and restaurants.)

But that doesn't change the fact that going after him with a one-ton bomb in a crowded neighborhood at night was simply nuts. The Israeli media are at least as critical of this attack as anyone else. It's hard to imagine how Sharon, Ben-Eliezer and the IDF thought there was any possibility of carrying it off cleanly.

There was an article on Haaretz that was widely linked a week or two ago about how the IDF General Staff predicted Arafat would be gone in months and their job in the meantime was to stop attacks without a nother disaster like Kana. So, a week later they pull off another Kana.

Encourage others to join?

"That's right! If you get ten of your friends to blow themselves up, your 72 virgins will be upgraded THREE FULL BRA SIZES! That's right, we're talking BIG TIME here! Call now, and we'll throw in an afterlifetime supply of Viagra, ABSOLUTELY FREE! So don't wait, KILL A JEW NOW!"

It's like the cell phone salesmen from hell.

"Dumb as a rock - each must have the intellegence and sefl-preservation instincts of a rabid weasle"

Charles, IMHO, post #8 surely qualifies as an "abusive remark".

I would hate to be associated that sort of thing.

This and the events in Gaza over the past few days make it clear that the Islamofacists are wrong and are rightly know as our enemies. Israel is hiving a serious discussion about the deaths of civilians (esp. children) when the IDF killed Sheikh Salah Shehade. Was he a worthy targer? Did the IDF use too much fire power? Did Sharon and his generals know that civilians would most likely be killed in this raid? These are questions that a healthy society asks itself.

The Arab world, on the other hand, only gives justifications for the murder of civilians by suicide bombers. The Arab world lays the blame for 9/11 on America's doorstep. The Arab world encourages and recruits children to become murderers. The Arab world encourages children to hate.

This War on Terror is going to become a War on Islamofacism and about how we want our world to be. Just as a fight against slavery didn't become the rallying cry for the North until half way through the Civil War, we too will transform the cause of the current war. And we will be right to do so.

Ray: yes, I believe you're right. The comment you mention has been deleted. (Note that the comment now labeled #8 is not the one Ray is referring to.) And you've started me wondering whether I should be a little more ready to hit the delete button.

We're getting thousands of visitors a day now, and unfortunately a certain percentage of them are going to be ravers.

The post got deleted. This moved mojo's comment to number #8.
I don't have any problem with mojo's comment.

Charles, please feel free to delete my comments.
They're just cluttering the thread.

I think the freudian message the sheik was sending is clear. What Hamas would like to do to Israel:

Religious beliefs +
Ability +
Parental approval +
Encourages others

Ray: that's OK, I'm going to leave them there for the record.

Yes, one question. Why aren't you mentioning that Ha'aretz (one of your regular sources) is reporting the Shehadeh assasination as an intelligence and/or operational disaster, and that the blame-gaming and finger-pointing within the government and the IDF has already started?
[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

I mean, I'm as pleased as you are that the guy is dead, but c'mon.

Man..you guys pulled my comment cause you consider it abusive?? You guys are a joke. What a bunch of lillie livered wussies. I guess all you guys are good for is talk talk talk...

I guess all you guys are good for is talk talk talk...

John you are not even good for that, so we are one up on ya'.

In what sort or fashion have you decided that I dont "talk"? Just what are your criteria for postings? That you must have a degree in sourcasm or humor? Sorry; Most people dont have that kind of degree if thats your requirements. I like your site; however your accusations and insults have me wondering why you even bother to have comments.

John,

Before you came there would be intense discussions between idiotarians and the rest of us. Abusive remarks though not unheard of were not terribly uncommon.

To get Charles to delete you is a dubious honor. It doesn't happen often.

Of course I mangled the language. On second thought I stand by the mangle.

Your post was deleted because I don't want to be associated with sentiments like "kill all arabs" and "death to islam forever." That kind of stuff is way over the top, and I am sick of seeing it here.

Fair enough. At least you were kind enough to finally tell me what made my comments "abusive" . I'am sure you will hold all others to the same standard whether or not they use direct words of "abuse" or whether flowery words that convey the same thoughts.
Thank you.

And just to make it even clearer to you, I am not obligated to "hold all others to the same standard." I'm not obligated to do anything. I provide this forum as a free service, and I will run it as I see fit. If that upsets you, you're very welcome not to come here.

I understand completely Mr. Charles. You can and will run your site as you see fit! Good for you. It does not upset me in the least. If I choose to make future comments about your wonderful insights and articles; I will hence refer to "death" as "assuming ROOM temprature". It does not have quite the ring to it but conveys the same thought. Keep up the good work Chuck.

I love the religious intolerance that is flaunted here.

You laugh at these kids "falling for" the 72 virgins story, and yet I bet a whole bunch of you go pray to a religion that believes in virgin births and the resurrection of a dead guy. Who dumb is that?

Come on! Wake up, you hypocrites!

Two trolls in one thread.
Is there any possiblity that John K is the famous Jak King that I keep hearing about?

Two trolls in one thread.
Is there any possiblity that John K is the famous Jak King that I keep hearing about?

Jak:

Who dumb is that?

More eloquence from the ZOG-master.

Typical Lefty - no insightful argument, no logic, just name calling. It is even worse on his blog.

Hey...

I wanna be an abusive troll too!

Whassamatta, I don't qualify?

Hmph...
(pouts)

Robert Crawford:

"Who dumb is that?"

Jak dumb that who.

But that doesn't change the fact that going after him with a one-ton bomb in a crowded neighborhood at night was simply nuts.

This article from the Jewish World Review:
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]
has the best explanation of the reasoning behind the attack and the military situation Israel finds itself in. Worth reading.

It's so hard for me to tell if trolls such as Jak King come here as a goat getting mission or if they are sincere. the former is annoying, the latter, sadly makes me mourn what this well intentioned and necessary multicultural ideology has turned into. Dangerous stupidity.
:(

Alexia - You should read Ann Coulter's "Slander"

The Hamas Al Qassam Brigade has updated their home page with pictures! and heroic martyr posters! of their "martyred" former leader. If you ask me he looks like a more seriously deranged version of Charles Manson. Go to [Link: www.qassam.net...] and scroll down to the middle of the page.

Necssary multicultural ideology? Alexia ..your an social elitist snob. Oh and Ray....
BITE ME.

Which would best work on HAMAS, jokes or bullets? You jerkoffs are like forty-year old class clowns. In the real world, respectable people wouldn't even give you losers the time of day. Please move to Idaho and throw rocks at trees. We'll deal with HAMAS, while you deal with your immaturity.

" Parental Approval- We (Hamas) make sure that the parents are satisfied with their child, that he loves his family, and that his suicide will not adversely affect the family. In other words, he is not the family's sole supporter. We also investigate if he has brothers. We will not take an only son on a suicide mission."

Can you imagine the family discussions: "Son, you love us and we are satisfied with you. If you want to go kill yourself and some Jews, that's fine with us. We have other children, after all, and your death will not adversely affect us, although we'll all miss you, of course. Plus, we could use some money from Sadaam. We could get an air conditioner and a new stove."

Terrorist family values!

Look, it's to Israel's credit that such matters can be discussed openly there, and that Israelis are capable of getting upset about these things. But please don't fool yourselves that there weren't some serious screwups in the planning and execution of this operation that caused unnecessary civilian deaths.

Jak,
Would you be so kind as to provide some links to the Catholic Directives for Homicide Bombers, or the Methodist terrorist training camps?

And you're hardly one to talk about stupid beliefs. I've seen your blog and your ill-written rants are clear evidence of severe brain meltdown.

TeddyFlipped:

Haaretz has a much more convincing explanation of what the IAF thought they were doing. But even that suggests they erred way, way on the side of risk, and got burned badly.

The article you cite not only has the most basic fact wrong (what ordnance was used), it basically argues, "Well, a ground assault would have been too dangerous so this was the only choice." Clearly if Sharon and the IAF had realized the extent of the collateral damage that would result, they wouldn't have taken that shot. The question is what the hell happened to make them think it could possibly go off cleanly?

The killing of the West Bank Hamas leader shows how it should have been carried out.

Podhoretz writes in the NY Post:

There's no ambiguity regarding the responsibility for the horrible deaths incurred by the Israeli attack on one of the world's worst terrorists. The responsibility lies with the dead terrorist himself, Salah Shehada, and with the evildoing gang called Hamas that he helped to start and run.
Don't take it from me. Take it from international law - specifically, from the text of the Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.
The Fourth Geneva Convention goes into great and elaborate detail about how to assign fault when military activities take place in civilian areas. Those who are actually fighting the war are not considered "protected persons."
Only civilians are granted the status of "protected persons" whose rights cannot be violated with impunity. The Fourth Geneva Convention convicts Hamas and Salah Shehada in one sentence. That sentence makes up the entirety of Part 3, Article 1, Section 28. It reads: "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." This sentence appears in the Fourth Geneva Convention precisely to deal with situations like the ones the Israelis faced. Here's how. The Jewish state is at war with Hamas and Palestinian militant organizations wreaking terrorist havoc. Hamas is at war with Israel.
But instead of separating themselves from the general population in military camps and wearing uniforms, as required by international law, Hamas members and other Palestinian terrorists try to use civilians - the "protected persons" mentioned in 3:1:28 - as living camouflage.
To prevent such a thing from happening, international law explicitly gives Israel the right to conduct military operations against military targets under these circumstances. Again, let's check out that 3:1:28 sentence: "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." There were plenty of "protected persons" around the home of the Hamas leader on Tuesday. He wanted it that way: Salah Shehada chose to live in an apartment house in Gaza City with his family and hundreds of others around him so that they would serve as human shields. And because Salah Shehada did that, he's responsible for what happens to them.
That's what the very next sentence of the Fourth Geneva Convention says: "The party to the conflict in whose hands protected persons may be is responsible for the treatment accorded to them by its agents." Let's translate: The "party to the conflict" here is Hamas, or more specifically, Salah Shehada. Because Salah Shehada chose to live in a civilian setting, the "protected persons" are deemed to be "in his hands."

Tthe White House described Israel's action as heavy-handed, implying it employs a different policy in its military actions. Yoram Ettinger, Israel's former liaison to the U.S. Congress, has prepared a list of United States attacks in which civilian lives were not taken into consideration:
"The list actually goes beyond Afghanistan...For instance, in 1989, the US invaded Panama City in order to free [the ruling strongman] Noriega, using jets and helicopters. Six hundred civilians were killed in that raid, according to American estimates, and thousands were wounded. Then U.S-Chief of Staff, whose name was Colin Powell, said at the time that the appropriate amount of force was used 'and we have no need to apologize.' The Attorney General at the time, Dick Thornburg, said that the U.S. was operating according to the UN's clause 51 allowing self-defense…
"In 1993, in response to the killing and mutilation of 15 US soldiers, the USAF bombed Somalia, turning an entire area basically into a parking lot, killing over 1,000 citizens. Again the U.S. said that it was self-defense.
"In this current war against Al-Qaeda [in which sources say 400-800 civilians have been killed - ed. note], when Rumsfeld was asked about the American attack on Red Cross offices and on other civilian areas in Afghanistan, he said, and I agree with him, 'This is a war that has been forced upon us by terrorists… We are making great efforts not to hurt civilians, but if civilians are hurt, the entire responsibility for such is upon the terrorists who use them as cover…'"

Shehadeh brief from the International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism [Link: www.ict.org.il...]

VICTIMS OF TERRORIST ATTACKS CARRIED OUT BY HAMAS. [Link: www.tampabayprimer.org...]

Victims of Terror: [Link: www.walk4israel.org...]

Many thanks, Nikita, you might add something about Serbs, being bombed and slaughtered by hundreds, if not thousands, two years ago just to appease the moslem world. And who remember Koreans and Vietnamese? Best regards

Nikita #44

Do you have a link for Ettinger's statements.

Ari Shavit in Ha'aretz:

"Fundamentally, Israel's present war is a just one. It is the war of a small, free society for its values, for its way of life, for its very existence. However, Israel's justness in this war is not self-evident and is not unconditional. The Jewish state must be able to preserve its image even at a time of fierce fighting; Israel cannot allow the process of the war against terrorism to transform it into a terrorist state; the criminal attacks being perpetrated against us must not be allowed to cause us to perpetrate criminal attacks against others."

[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

I disagree with Shavit that Israel's botched operation deserves the label "terrorist." But he makes an important point. One of the things that makes Israel worthy of support in the current war is that it mostly *does* care about preventing civilian casualties. That says something good about Israel. Once it stops caring about such things, the Palestinians killers will have won a moral victory. They'll have succeeded in dragging the Israelis down to their level.

If there is "moral equivalence," why are the Israelis planning to court-martial those responsible for this raid, rather than worship and make giant posters honoring him?

If there is a "cycle of violence," where are the Israelis who should be dancing in the streets with joy over the deaths of civilians?

Until the radical left can come up with videotaped proof of these, they will forever be nothing more than a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists, themselves "morally equivalent" to William Pierce and Timothy McVeigh.

I am a regular poster who has had a little too much to drink and has decided to post his thoughts.

I am so upset about Israel's stand on bombing this SOB out of this world. True that some civilians died. While I am truly sorry for this it is a part of the terrible ugliness of war. War is not a glorifull(word?) thing.....it is a nasty and ugly thing. And equally unfortunate is that sometimes, civilian casualties have to be weighed against military necessity. This was a military necessity on the part of the IDF.....they can now, days later, condemn and promise investigation the hell out of this thing. Bottom (unfortunate) line is that these Islamofacist have learned that hiding among civilians no longer gurantees impunity. Hopefully, this talk is IDF B.S. and they keep up this kind of bombing. Because as unfortunate as it may be.....civilins have always and will always die in wars. Let's just hope their death contribute to the greater good of the new world's order.....Peace!!!

and BTW...anyone honestly feel that the US would not bomb a building they knew OBL was hiding in despite the 10's of 20's of civilains that might reside there?