At the extreme risk of being way too repetitive...and at the risk of offending some, I will post this one more time. (I swear Charles, no more after this, I don't want to be considered another Mikey Grazer)

This is something I would like ALL Americans to remember...

If you do a per capita study on the number of Israeli citizens killed compared to the number of the American populace...it would translate into 20,270 American citizens murdered since the newest Intifada began.*

*According to the Howard Fienberg article posted by Charles on Tuesday July 30, 2002...433 Israeli citizens (non-combatants) have been killed since the current Intifada began. That is .0000729 percent of the total Israeli population.** .0000729 of the population of the USA** is 20,270.4924249. Please feel free to "fact check my ass" on the math.

**Population numbers from HRW.com.

Just think of how much celebrating THAT would cause!

What is it with the palestinians and large picture frames at protests/celebrations?

I have never seen that anywhere outside the Arab world.

Maybe everytime an Arab dies I will start holding up my framed artwork of dogs playing pool and velvet elvis.

3 Americans among the 8 murdered by the arab savages.

2 french, 2 british, and 1 Israeli.

12 seriously maimed another 90 people wounded.

Now the butcheres are threatening to kill more people.

The arab terrorists said 'Jews to now leave Israel.'

Pentagon: Hamas experimenting with chemical weapons
[Link: www.worldtribune.com...]

Peace will only come with a war based resolution.

The fact that there are so many terrrorists so close to Israel that thrive is a based mark for the Israeli Armies capabilities.

We know of an ancient radiation
That haunts dismembered constellations,
A faintly glimmering radio station.
While Frank Sinatra sings Stormy Weather,
The flies and spiders get along together,
Cobwebs fall on an old skipping record.

I've had that in my head all day, and nobody is getting along together.

Thanks Aaron. Now I will be humming that all night!

If Ariel Sharon is waiting for the US to start the war with Iraq before he starts the serious war with Arafat, then Michael Ledeen is absolutely correct. Faster, Please! Too many people are dying to continue playing political games.

Beautiful. Wonderful way to get the kids out of the house, get some fresh air, scream approval for the butchery of Isreali Jewish kids, oops, I mean "oppressors". Or Americans, or Israeli Arabs, or Korean exchange students or whoever you killed today - details, details. V for "victory", eh, guys? Big victory today. Job very well fucking done. Hooray for Hamas. Be sure to hold a big parade for those brave martyrs when you are digging yourselves out of the rubble in the neighborhoods where Hamas bravely hides. Remember to thank them for that great victory. Kids cheering today, dead in the streets tomorrow. Fucking wonderful.

I feel sick.

Is it any wonder Arafat is celebrating with a glass of champagne?

The thing is he was born in Egypt. A Muslim SOB I must pressume. How come then he is drinking? Muslims cannot drink nor can they renounce their faith. Perhaps the Mossad should deliver him to the Saudis to have him flogged and beheaded, kefiya and all.

"I feel sick."

I was watching a program on History Channel today about the capture of Saipan, and I can't help but wonder if humans can be that stupid... Either they are or there is no hope left for the whole lot. Anyway, you should bear in mind that these are the same people who rejoiced in the wake of 9/11, so it actually should come as no surpirse. They shouldn't be surprised next time something hits them from out of the blue for that matter.

nice post Charles - As an engineer I work with Arabs, Persians, Palestinians, et al, the overwhelming majority of whom I respect as friends, coworkers,...yada yada (don't want to get into "Some of my best friends are...") but I've gotta say my 'opinion of/sympathy level for' the palestinians went into the cellar when I saw that 'woman' ululating over, an sweets distributed to celebrating kids on 9/11...Now I don't understand how Sharon restrains himself: my first target would be Yassin with a big-ass bang, then the 2nd in line, then the third...

Here's a nice picture

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

One of the best I've seen actually. Looks like Satan...

Andrew,

I quite agree. Those kids have are marked for death.

Their parents are the problem of course. For now.

I wonder if they will be in the streets with Arabia in ruins?

Faster please.

When you consider the number of nations that profess some degree of "solidarity" with the Palestinians, and you consider the vast wealth commanded by those nations --- not to mention the largesse that the U.S. is prepared to dish out --- why don't these kids have some kind of future that includes a real education and reasonable economic opportunity?

Because they're TOOLS, that's why. The Lords of Jihad don't want happy, peaceful, well-fed Palestinians, they want dead ones --- as Arafat so helpfully put it: "Martyrs, martyrs, martyrs by the millions!"

So they drench them in hatred and hopelessness until they're old enough to sacrifice, in the sacred cause of murdering as many Jews as possible. What could be sadder than this? The fact that the safe and well-fed idiots of this world stand in utter awe of this disgusting process, as if it were the most noble and beautiful thing they ever beheld.

This is response to post #1 above.

The 433 figure is from, I think, June. It doesn't include the civilians killed since then, including the ones murdered today. So the US equivalent is actually greater than the 20,270 you calculated.

I just watched the president of the university's student body being interviewed by Ashleigh Banfield's double on MSNBC, and I feel like shit now.

Hey, at least the kid in the first picture is wearing a cool Nike t-shirt!

It's in AraRat's best interest to keep these people poor and oppressed. The poor ignorant masses are so much easier to control. Many millions of dollars in aid has been poured into Palestine, so how come the Palestinian people are so poor and hopeless? Someone better do some serious digging into the pockets of AraRat and Hamas.

It would be beautiful justice if some of the Palestinian youth finally figured out who was REALLY responsible for all their misery and took care of the problem. But I'm not holding my breath for them to join the real world.

Next time there's a merry Hamas get-together, the IDF should seriously consider bringing the firecrakers to the party. Is that napalm splashing through the streets of Ramallah? Hey, quick, bring out the BBQ!

disgusting displays of ignorance. truly grotesque.

Israel is at war. Frankly, there is even no need to fight these cosmic aliens (they look like humans but they are not) - just has to starve them. No money, no food, no water, no electricity, no gas, no medical supplies, no work in Israel. Total blockade. It will take some time but it will work. After all, it has been fifty-four years of all-muslim boycott (well, with a few exceptions). Let almighty and merciful allah help them.

Time for another 100 pounder or two, right into Arafat's and Erakat's bedrooms at midnight.

No Elizabeth, time for a hundred 100 pounders.

These people are just a bunch of sick dumb fucks. And the ones who let this "party atmosphere" go on without saying a word are sicker dumb fucks cause they know better.

Justin's math #1 is fairly accurate. The situation
is really sickening.

Nothing will change until these people are removed, whether that movement is above ground or below ground doesn't really matter.

I'll gladly donate my shovel.

Bossman, I agree with you 100% but I'm afraid your "main man" Chomsky wouldn't.

Kathyn, Your right about the "Palestinian" children needing to know who is really responible for their misery and lack of any normal life. I hope those kids grow up and realize how disgusting their leaders and parents were. Im not holding my breath though!

Talk about pigeon holing someone for a comment they made. Then again that's just what American media does all the time. "Mr. Clinton, was your cock royally sucked or wasn't it?" (That went on for what... a year and 1/2?)

Look Chomsky is not my main man. In fact I have no main man. Sorry, but I don't idolize people, kowtow to religion, or political ideology. Time on this planet is much too short for that bullshit. One thing I do aim for (with great difficulty in this crazy world) is "enlightenment". Yes, I thought "Manufacturing Consent" (yes, I'll say it again for the 4th time) was a brilliant documentary. That fact that mainstream media is so fucking lame, is why blogs like this one exist. People are smarter than governments and media give them credit for.

And if I ever did have a "main man" it would probably be Jimi Hendrix. That man said more with his guitar, lyrics and music than a million blogs could ever say. "If 6 turned out to be 9, I don't mind."

When I see those barbarians celebrate death, it makes it easier to hate thema nd wish them more pain and misery. They are a degenerate lot of Muslim/Arab savages

Don't you feel terrible that these kids have been dehumanised to the point where they think murder is good? They're only kids, and aleady there's no hope for them.

That's a real tragedy.

Reminds me of the ticker tape parades in the USA after the Gulf War.

250,000 dead - let's all celebrate!

"Reminds me of the ticker tape parades in the USA after the Gulf War.

250,000 dead - let's all celebrate! "

I think you'll find the celebration was for the servicemen who returned alive - and the dead were mourned appropriately. A celebration of life rather than death as it were.

Omar - stick to playing Backgammon...

"I think you'll find the celebration was for the servicemen who returned alive - and the dead were mourned appropriately. A celebration of life rather than death as it were."

Yeah, it's always different when it's us, isn't it?

As a matter of fact? yes

Omar #32,

It's not that its always different when it's us. It's that we don't celebrate the death of our enemies. In the US, we don't wish very Iraqi to be killed or enslaved.

In Israel, they don't wish every Palestinian to be killed or enslaved.

In the PA, they wish that every Israeli was killed or enslaved (well, they would call it dhimmi-tude, which is close enough).

Last week, Israel struck at a legitimate military target, killing the leader of Hamas, Sheikh Shehadeh. Some innocent Palestinian civilians were killed in the bombing attack, even though they were not the targets of the attack. Not only was there international condemnation of the act, but there was controversy in Israel itself over the loss of innocent Palestinian civilian lives, and members of the Israeli government apologized for them.

This week, a Palestinian terrorist leaves a bomb in a crowded university cafeteria in Israel, which kills seven people and injures scores of others. This was not an attack on a military target; it was a massacre of innocent civilians. There is no controversy among the Palestinians. Quite to the contrary, thousands of them take to the streets and celebrate in a disgusting manner, as if they had just won the World Cup.

The differences between Israeli and Palestinian culture could not be drawn more starkly than by comparing they way that they reacted in each of these incidents. Israelis have consciences and don't want to see innocents suffer, no matter how evil their leaders may be. Palestinians do not appear to even know what a conscience IS (This may be a concept foreign to Islam), and celebrate the deaths of innocents.

This is why I am 100% behind Israel in this conflict, and why I will shed no tears when the Palestinians suffer the punishment that their evil acts are going to bring down on their heads. If that means they all get transferred across the Jordan and into the Sinai, that's fine with me.

Ditto, BarCodeKing!

Count me in on a second Ditto, BarCodeKing.

Arab Mongoloids

Savages
Butcheres

Hardly a Culture and a evil one at that

Glazer -- please shut it. You're as bad as those you claim to despise.

You sound like a mirror image of Arab News.

Excellent points, BarCodeKing.

Speaking of Arab News, a little comic relief:

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Must've felt right at home... ;-)

Kids don't understand politics. Kids listen to what their elders tell them and are not responsible for their actions. These kids are not independent moral agents. What their elders (parents, relatives, neighbors, teachers...) are doing to them is unconscionable, and their elders should be severely punished for it.

Have you noticed that the suicide bombers are getting younger and younger? 16, 17, 18 years old. That tells me something; it tells me that the terrorists are scraping the bottom of the barrel, manipulating those who are still young enough to be single-mindedly and unquestioningly devoted to a cause and who are willing to die for it.

It also tells me that all of the careful training, both physical and psychological, which allegedly used to go into creating a suicide bomber have gone by the wayside. They are taking anyone they can get, even those who might perhaps think better of what they're doing if they were ever given the chance to.

I can just see the scenario: a teenager filled with the fury of self-righteous "everything is black and white" adolescence goes rushing to the local terrorist representative filled with zeal to "do something for the cause." Before s/he knows it, s/he is on his/her way strapped with explosives and a "companion" whose job is to see to it that s/he doesn't back out.

This is a tragedy of epic proportions. An entire generation has been irreversibly poisoned by hatred and the celebration of death and killing. This is another crime to be added to the many crimes perpetrated by the terrorists. This is no different from the use of child warriors by African rebels.

I hate the terrorists, I hate Arafat, I hate the hateful Palestinian adults, I hate the Islamofascist governments and religious "leaders" of the Arab world, but I can't hate these children who are nothing but pawns in someone else's deadly game. They don't get to have a childhood; they remind me of kids in the ghettos of NY who fully expect to die and who spend all kinds of time deciding on the details for their own funerals.

The adults who are responsible for turning these children into mindless hate machines should be executed for the murder of these children's souls.

Mike at coldfury.com said it best:

"Fuck you. Just fuck you all in the heart. And realize that every time you do something like this, you'll find fewer of us listening."

Don't you feel terrible that these kids have been dehumanised to the point where they think murder is good?

No, I feel bad about the innocent lives they may someday take with them. The top priority is to prevent them from harming anyone else.

I feel sorry for them, but I can clearly see the different Palestinian organisations capitalizing on this hatred a few years from now unless something is done to end this dreadful situation.

Transfer, cried the voice in the wilderness.

Ein aravim- ein piguim.

And if I ever did have a "main man" it would probably be Jimi Hendrix. That man said more with his guitar, lyrics and music than a million blogs could ever say. "If 6 turned out to be 9, I don't mind."

Right on. 'Peace in Mississippi' kicks tuchas. :)

Bookmark this page of Palestinian post-9/11 celebration photos for your hall of shame...

[Link: lonestar.texas.net...]

BarCodeKing: Ditto x 3
Michael Glazer: Give it a rest. Your hate is as execrable as your grammar.

Does anybody remember that open letter by Palestinian liberals and intellectuals that came out about two months ago? That at least some cited as evidence that the Palestinian people were, in fact, all horrified by the bombing and wanted it to end? (You remember, the one that also said that this was a bad tactic because it would cost the Palestinians public support.)

I'd just like to hear from the folks who cited that letter at the time about how they explain the crowds cheering the Hebrew University murders.

Are the intellectuals not representative of the people, and therefore can be ignored?

Are the intellectuals simply outnumbered by the people? In which case the majority view would seem to be a celebratory one, when it comes to perpetrating murder.

Or were the intellectuals simply lying?

Just curious...

Mr van Hilten,

I do think it's a shame that you don't really pity these children because they have no chance to be normal. Yes, if left unchecked, they are most likely to go blow themselves up in a public place, and that is incomprehensibly inhumane that kids should grow up like that.

What I feel bad about is that they have no hope, not in the 'we're helpless and angry so we go perpetrate violence' way, but in the 'indoctrinated to the point of no return' way.

I don't believe I ever suggested that the Palestinian intellectuals' opposition to suicide bombing (and their firm condemnation of the Sinatra bombing) were evidence that ALL Palestinians OPPOSE the bombings. I think it IS evidence that NOT ALL Palestinians SUPPORT the bombings.

I think that's still true. How do you suggest we encourage their point of view? If I don't dare say what's the majority view, I can say that the intellectual view is not irrelevant.

Dean #49,

The intellectuals don't oppose suicide bombings. They oppose the fallout from suicide bombings. They made this clear in interviews, by saying:

* suicide bombings on the other side of the Green Line are OK
* suicide bombings don't further the national interest (not that they're bad, morally wrong, or any such thing)

**

Andrew #51,

It is evidence that some Arabs oppose the fallout from suicide bombings.

And the majority view is for suicide bombings. The numbers since the stupifada began might be 60-80% in favor.

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i am from Egypt and i felt bad when i read these articles, come on people... kids are dying for no reason... they don't even know what's going on...if anybody has a problem of what i wrote i would live to know and y?
ayota2003@hotmail.com

ur exactally right Omar Sharif i love what ur wrote... tell u people ... arab r the best...
GO ARAB...
if anybody dies they only blame it on Arab, and if arab dies nothing is going on...
Khara 3aleekom we 3ala ely gabekom...

Dear ignorants, i mean im thinkin, wastin my time talking to a group of pathetic mother fuckers.

Jews must die . these snakes dont have the right to live because they always fuckup. I mean no body likes the jews, here in the UK the uk. people used to beat the shit out of them. they are the only people messing up this world. i think they should go back to their home lands, russia, poland and the rest of the garbage.
by the way tell ur moms i said hi. jews...
Jeeez

Dear Fuck #56,

Thank you for your concern. We are just fine. Please do not worry about us. You are doing an excellent job of educating the world with your peaceful bombings. Keep up the good work.

Love always,
The Infidels

playing the poor innocent motherfucker again, exactly like the jews. well if ur living in Israel, i dont think ur ok. ur afraid to go to a pub or even have a coffee.

and by the way Israel killed 5 old ladies, a man and two kids, good work too and keep it up.

ur talking about bombing, i was against that bullshit but when i start knowing the truth, its even nothing u people diserve.

We know were you are, ****.

And we are coming for you.

I mean no body likes the jews, here in the UK the uk

In the uk the uk? Was that for effect?

Anyway, I plan on telepathically communicating my displeasure with "Fuck Jews" to the Grand Elder of Zion this evening after I'm done with dinner. "Fuck Zion" should expect the black helicopters to drag him to the concentration camps in the Montana wilderness within the week. Next time don't mess with the all-powerful Satanic manipulators of history and nation, the J-E-W-S. Oh, wait. There won't be a "next time" cuz we always get our goy.

Sayonara!

fuck u and fuck ur grandshit u coward jews .
to get to excited fuck head

My superior yiddisher kup tells me that "fuck zion" and "Fuck Jews" are the same person! Oooh, scary.

duuuh,

Please don't feed the troll. Especially not one as ignorant and inarticulate as this one. He has obviously not taken advantage of the educational system of the U.K. (the uk): he doesn't know how to spell (except the easy vocabulary of graffiti writers, of course), uses the pitiful grammar of the bulletin board, and lacks the critical thinking skills necessary to present his bromides in a cogent fashion.

Wow, the Jew-Haters are so smart!

Such witty repartee, the intelligence is simply blinding.

I love you too baby.

Kisses
xxx

#55, 56 etc.
Go crawl back into your hole(s). You are not suitable to stain this site where reason prevails.
#54
You feel bad when you read these articles. What do you mean? None of us LGF'ers like war or children dying. Charles is pointing out the blatant hypocracy of the palistinians. If the pali leaders like Yassir and those of the current "revolutionary" groups would quit recruiting youth for suicide/homicide missions the violence would greatly subside.

Dear fuck,

Watch out when we come for you.

---Begin Transmission:---
Loc: Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 10/19/02
Topic: Targets for 'reeducation'
From: International Zionist Conspiracy HQ
To: Organization Member #666,666,666- 'James'
@: Member communication site #3565e.r 'Little Green Footballs
---

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---END TRANSMISSION---

A.K.A
-Ratz, having some fun for once

you arab motherfuckers : come to israel, ill smash your heads in the street , you fuckin cowards. we have bullets for every arab fucker so just come and get it

israeli (#69)

Is that absolutely necessary?