As Tom Petty said:

Don't . . . have . . . to live like a refugee.

"Oh why, why, must these poor mass murdering degenerates suffer so?"

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

Here, BNK. Heeeerre, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty.

You said who wants WHO dead now?

Hoo-boy. Can't wait for all the fine folks at the UN, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch to try and justify this one.

Bad Jews, making the Palestinians kill themselves to the point that they have to recruit suicide attackers from middle-school. How dare they.

This is what peace-loving muslim youths in America are up to.

I dunno, seems like just another fun-filled summer at Camp Soyouwannakillajew.

Come on guys, these boys are just learning to hunt with grenades and automatic rifles to alleviate the "humanitarian" crisis in Gaza. Nothing to worry about.

Q,

That site is fucking depressing!

So is this their version of Boys in The Hood or Robbin' Hood?

Q,

How did you find that vile website?

I feel sick.

I would love to see a special delivery care package from the IDF.

Q:

That site is the sickest thing I have seen in a long time. Don't you think we should notify the FBI? I wouldn't assume they know about it already.

I love these kinds of things....especially when the little sand niglets find out the hard way about night-vision equipment, infra-red tracking devices, and long-range sniper rifles.

As the Rock says, "Just bring it."

And if they keep teaming up with their al-Quieda friends, hopefully we can join in on the Palestinian beat-down which might take place soon.

ben #12:

I'm just curious if your wish to see Al Qaeda and the Pals beat down is based on their despicable actions, their desire to murder all infidels, etc.....or is it just an excuse to vent some of your racism?

If you have read any of my posts you know that I am no appeaser to these butchers and that I am a firm supporter of Israeli and American strong and decisive military action.

It's just my humble opinion....but when I hear these "sand-niglet" slurs, the rest of your words kinda lose perspective.

Ben, I don't think insulting black people ("sand niglet") advances the ball. I am the far from PC, but that word doesn't belong on this site.
BTW, the Rock is black.

Must be all a Zionist plot. Hasn't anybody noticed yet that Palestine is dying to live or what?

These kids aren't the ones to blame ...

Check out the vile headline story in this morning's USA Today. The bed-wetters of the world are making an effort to blame the poor mental and physical of Palestinian children on the Israeli "occupation."

The story described a Palestinian mother who looks on in despair as her 7-year old twins play "terrorist". Apparently it is quite beyond her to instruct and raise her children in a manner that would discourage this. The writer was certainly not interested in asking why she would allow it, if it does indeed concern her so much. The sole focus was in laying this pathology on Israel's doorstep.

And so those children must probably die, so the cowards and idiots of the world can blame Israel for it.

The peace-loving youths site was referred to in Tal G.'s blog.

Q:
Funny how none of the Christian or Jewish websites I've seen mention a word about carving people up with knives. But, let's remember, "Islam is a religion of peace."

I can't claim to know much about Islam, but I wonder if they (the fundamentalists, at least) have a concept of a loving God. Allah is supposed to be the same as the Judeo-Christian God, but I don't recognize this God. He seems, in the Muslim conception, to have an unlimited lust for blood. A cosmic Adolf Hitler. It's really chilling.

Donna V.,

In addition to your points, note that Islam means submission, not peace, as many would have us believe. They follow Allah's commands; they do not bask in his love (as a Christian would with God/Jesus Christ), but in the ire for enemies of Islam. They are compelled by the word to kill that which does not fit in the Koran's vision of how the world should be.

Love has nothing to do with it.

Are there any firm numbers on how many terrorists camps there are in the middle east? Or just around the state of israel? Dosen't Israel have the right to hit this camp and the others like it just like America did to the afghan camps? I realize that if they did bomb this particular camp the paligirls would just set up the remains to look like a boys scout camp and not the terrorist in training camp it actually is.

The more things change....

Palestinian Summer Camp Offers the Games of War

New York Times

By JOHN F. BURNS

NABLUS, West Bank, Aug. 2 -- It is summer camp time for 25,000 Palestinian teenagers, and strikingly unusual camps they are, too. As run by the men who handle psychological warfare for Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader, they allow no horsing around in the dorm, no fun-in-the-sun by a cool clear lake, no rousing sing-alongs beside a roaring campfire.

Instead, there is the chance to stage a mock kidnapping of an Israeli leader by masked Palestinian commandos, ending with the Israeli's bodyguards sprawled dead on the ground. Next, there is the mock attack on an Israeli military post, ending with a sentry being grabbed by the neck and fatally stabbed. Finally, there is the opportunity to excel in stripping and reassembling a real Kalashnikov rifle.

Don't remember reading this last week? That's because it was published two years ago, on August 3, 2002 -- almost two months before Arik Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount "triggered" the so-called "intifada."

In the summer of the latest Camp David talks, a summer that was supposed to produce a final peace settlement between Israel and its Palestinian adversaries, the Palestinians' idea of a teenage boys' camp is a reminder of how deep old enmities run. At 90 two- and three-week camps on the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip, youths from towns and villages already ceded to Israel by Mr. Arafat's Palestinian Authority are learning the arts of kidnapping, ambushing and using assault weapons.

From the New York Times, no less (via IMRA, although for some reason it's now disappeared from IMRA's website).

Great find Lynn B. #21

Charles I nominate it for front page treatment.

Donna wrote:

"I can't claim to know much about Islam, but I wonder if they (the fundamentalists, at least) have a concept of a loving God. Allah is supposed to be the same as the Judeo-Christian God, but I don't recognize this God."

Here is a parable that some Islamic scholars have said expresses the essence of Islam:

A young couple presented themselves to Mohammed and confessed that they had committed adultery. After hearing their confession, Mohammed ordered them to be stoned to death. A mob was conveniently on hand, and they gleefully complied.

As the mob heaped dirt over the bodies of the two young lovers, some of them cursed the dead couple and spat on the corpses. Mohammed admonished them, saying that the victims had confessed their crime and should not be cursed, as they were with Allah now.

Compare and contrast this with the story of Christ and the mob who wanted to stone somebody ... or with any number of accounts from Judeo-Christian tradition (such as Isaac and Esau) that feature such concepts as love, mercy, and forgiveness.

It may have been Terry Anderson (I forget) --- but one of the people who spent long years as a hostage in Beirut discussed this with some of his captors. They heaped contempt on the idea of loving or showing mercy towards non-Muslims, and said that this was precisely why religions like Christianity were wrong.

They also asked their hostages for tips on how to lay their hands on Western porno movies, but that's another issue.

Donna #18, not only do they talk about carving the jew up they have a video of it (not for the squeamish obviously). Go to the site Q links to, then go to page 5. Go down to the 5th entry and click on the entry there. It is a quicktime video. The victim looks like a russian soilder to me, I have no proof if he is or not.

I never sought the pearl video out and only saw this one to see if these "youths" were just talking smack. Like I said above, if you are squeamish or have young childern near your monitor don't go to this video.

At Tal Gs blog in the august 6th entries look for

"Some Muslim American teens chat about their weapons".

re: post #24

DO NOT WATCH THAT CLIP.

Fucking hell, that is the most fucking atrocious, depraved, inhumane thing I have ever seen on the Internet. Any website owner who knowingly lets a clip like that stay on his site, much less lets people discuss it, much less lets people fucking praise it, is a sick, sick, sick fuck.

Sorry for the profanity, but that is just majorly, majorly fucked up.

Dave yes that clip is sick but not as sick as reading muslim youths talking about how glorious it is. What is really sick is that video is a recruiting tool for the fundamentalist. Or how you have to insert a knife just right to kill a jew. I think that site goes along way in dispelling the islam is peace crap. Yes I understand that a majority of muslims aren't the fundamentalist types. yet I have read where 20 to 25% of muslims are. What really bothers me is how quiet the rest of the muslims are regarding the fundamentalists.

Jim,

I wasn't criticizing you at all. No worries, friend.

But holy cow, I still can't believe I just saw that, and that somebody in this country has had it up on their website for days. That's just vile. How can the people who run that site--a youth site, no less--keep it up?

That's funny. I thought the Palestinian children were all suffering from malnutrition and starvation.

Guess not, huh?

Dave I didnt think you were attacking me personally. I thought about not linking to it but if someone had told me a site like on a youth site no less had that video, I might not have believed them. For it is a vile, horrible video that seems to be celebrated by animals that will need to be put to sleep i am afraid.

you know watching these videos dont you think it isnt right ??

i MEAN if it was other way round and Jews had videos of our mujahid brothers dying on t.v and there watched it and brag it on a chat room or what ever then im sure some one on c.g would complain about it and call them sick people but dont you think we are sick if we encrouge our selfs to watch such videos and chat abot it in open ??? remmeber kufr could be reading this.. and if i was kufr (thanxs god im not) but i would turn miles away from islam ....

SORRY brothers and sisters im just looking at from another angel ...

What an opened minded youth.

What if the kufr are reading this?!

And then a genius named Bismilah (not a reference to Bohemian Rhapsody) points out:

behz khan ..ur right in a way but do u honestly think a jewz gonna catch a solider of Allah and do that?

And Islamisthesolution clarifies:

Bro Zakariya, those are the sheshan mujahideen. if i remember correctly they also say Bismillahirahmaniraheem before they start cutting his throat. It is perfectly ok to cut his throat. Israel's don't ambush their enemy, they go after their(mujahideen's) children and women. they are the TRUE COWARDS.

and then Ibn Musa offers his opinion:

hey... for me... it was too hard even to watch these videos rite...and im like feeling sick when i watch such videos (execution)...well..the DANIEL PEARL video wasnt bad....and others wernt bad too....B U T ... this russian soldier video...well the volume was too high...so like when he started cutting the throat rite...this russian guy shouts...and first i was thinking that i f i watch this again....am gonna faint then. well nothing happened....rite now im PLAYING IT .... i played it a few more times...and i dont feel like sick and all dat cuz THIS RUSSIAN GUY's execution wasnt a bad thing...it was for His sake rite...soo its gud now....anyways...my question is dat...how many of u brothers OR sisters faint or feel sick while watching such coooool execution videos?

Oh.

Bro Zakariya, those are the sheshan mujahideen. if i remember correctly they also say Bismillahirahmaniraheem before they start cutting his throat. It is perfectly ok to cut his throat. Israel's don't ambush their enemy, they go after their(mujahideen's) children and women. they are the TRUE COWARDS.

This might be the most disturbing website I've ever seen.

It's sickening, it's frightening and totally reprehensible. Each day I read about these things and wonder how it could possibly get worse, yet it does. The site Q linked to is absolutely terrifying.

Someone (not me, I'm an avowed coward) ought to point that site out to some NYTimes, BBC and Guardian writers. Rather than talking about it here where we can all listen to one another and express our collective revulsion from the safety of a keyboard, let's see those that believe in "freedom fighting" take on this material.

They'll probably bury it.

Which can only be fought with multiple links, dishing it to Opinion Journal and their ilk.

Stories are getting broken first on Blogs these days, at least according to Andrew Sullivan. Let's see if we, well, you, since I'm an avowed coward, can light a fire under the collective arses of the media elite. It's got all the makings of a great story - "The evil internet" "Unsupervised Children" and the ever topical "How do you fight the war on terror when these kids are Americans?"

I'm speaking, incidentally, about Q's link.

The more links it gets, the higher up blogdex it goes. The higher up blogdex it goes, the more people take notice. The more pundits around here write about it, especially the more well respected ones (of which I am obviously not) the more likely it will be picked up by a major media institution. It would help if you knew reporters, and could speak directly to them.

See what you can do. Wouldn't it be a coup to see the NYTimes react to this absolute filth? I would love to see how they blame Israel for the depravity of American teens.

I hope Charles puts that link in its own entry.

Here is the Who Is lookup for "clearguidance.com", the host:

Registrant:
Halal Flowers
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US

Domain Name: CLEARGUIDANCE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Halal Flowers
Abu Hidayaah
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US
718-912-8734
maktabah_alsalafiyah@yahoo.com

Staten Island. Nice.

Q:

What a sick-fest ... the level of education and literacy is obviously very low, and the level of humanity even lower.

But then, exploring another thread there ("How old RU?") reveals that the average age level is about 14. A trifle young to be watching snuff videos and fantasizing about slashing people's throats, IMO. I get the idea that some of these kids are using computers provided by their schools.

Interesting to see that the old Afrikaaner hate-word "kaffir" is alive and well, in another context.

Or report it to the FBI. TIPS and all.

Just remembered the whole "Snuff films are illegal on par with Kiddie Porn" thing. Media stir indeed.

Or are we all, like me, cowardly and just want to snipe from the comfort of Charles' comments?

Arafat doesn't even fool those kids.

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

Albeit from a different perspective.

"Halal Flowers" is also the domain owner of [Link: www.taliban-news.com,...] which is currently posting a photograph of a dead American soldier (so they purport):

"Here is a picture showing a American soldier who was killed in action. Comment: "May Allah send His help to their way so as to help them establish the "ISLAMIC STATE OF AFGHANISTAN" which the enemies are afraid of. Inshallah we'll be seeing a lot more of this.""

There are a lot of people out there who are tracking such websites, and asking people to speak up about them. Many of these Islamicist hate-sites operate from major ISPs like Qwest and AOL-Time-Warner. (Funny, Time Magazine just ran a heavy-breather story claiming that Bush quashed The Totally Amazing Clinton Plan to End Terrorism Forever. Maybe they should clean up a little terrorism in their own front yard.)

Wouldn't you just love to catch some Ay-rab terrorist, have your buds hold him down, and slowly saw his ugly head off with your bayonet, while he screams his guts out?

Me neither.

That's why we're better than them, and that's why we're going to win, as we always have in the past. What we see now is the animal frenzy of those who sense that their cause is doomed. These unsupervised brats are the modern equivalent of the little boys Hitler threw against the Red Army during his last desperate spasm of resistance. Pharoahs, Babylonians, Romans, the Inquisition, Czars, Nazis, Soviets; all ground into the dust of history. Of course, the theatrically costumed Pali boys don't know about all of that; they're too busy learning to be pop-up targets for the IDF.

The disclaimer:
The staff of ClearGuidance.com does not necessarily agree with the posts of every user, nor do we advocate or endorse all of the posts on this message board.

Those forums are moderated. I would like to know who is doing the moderating.

James (#41)

That's just great. They think Arafat it too soft. They would prefer OBL.

Now there's a thought.

A. van Hilten (#15)

Charles posted 'dying2live' a little while ago.

I think it's still the longest thread to date.

Is it Charles?

The moderate wing of Hamas. You know, the one that uses all that money from charity to help the poor and downtrodden.

Sick, disgusting little things. The only good thing about it is realizing that these children are all blowing smoke, and at the first sign of real conflict, would need a change of underwear in a moment.

But Meryl they grow up eventually...

I'm physically ill from the Youth of Islam site. Time for an e-mail frenzy. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit willing it will get through to someone.

Don't go near that site if you want to sleep tonight, is my advice.

Lileks comments in tonight's Bleat:

"When a message board devoted to guidance for Islamic youth doesn’t delete the posts about stabbing Jews, you’d best pay attention."

M. Upton....e-mail frenzy indeed. I'm starting right now. Don't forget your Senators, Reps, and W.....let's see if CAIR will answer an e-mail regarding this also.

jeanne a e devoto:

exactly. everyone should watch this video and read the filth printed on this site. True it's easier to just ignore it. But viewing these disgusting things, one is more likely to do whatever they can to stop it.....or at least expose it.

Justin (#51)

Here's the telephone number to the White House Comments Line:

202/456-1111

Call and comment away.

Glen [ #39 ] – it seems the derogatory Afrikaner word for black people */www.dictionary.com/search?q=kaffir”> kaffir* originally comes from Arabic. In Arab the word means any nonbeliever or infidel.

Sorry that link to dictionary.com didn’t work. 2nd try: kaffir

I have to say that it is, by far, the most despicable word - ever. I absolutely hate it and am distressed to see it being written here and discussed here. Please leave that word for the scumbags on that vile Islam youth site to use. It makes sense that individuals such as those would use that word. It has the most terrible connotations and is the worst thing to say to someone or about someone. Please, please don't use that word.

Calling someone that name is worse than spitting in that person's face.

It's really offensive. Sorry to get so emotional about it, but I don't ever want to hear that word again in my life.

I passed the website to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, of the Independant. I have been sending here bits and pieces since she called for a boycott of Israel. I am hoping to get her to change here mind.

I slept on this and come to the conclusion that this is pure Evil. Biblical proportions evil. No two ways about it.

Could someone save these pages, so that we have proof when their servers go down?

The disclaimer:
The staff of ClearGuidance.com does not necessarily agree with the posts of every user, nor do we advocate or endorse all of the posts on this message board.

Those forums are moderated. I would like to know who is doing the moderating.

Check out the administrator's post at the top of each board:

"We need youth to fight in the way of ALLAH in Kashmir, India, Chechniyah, Afghanistan, Philistine, and wherever we are being oppressed. Leave your plans of al wahn and adopt a new plan which will help the ummah, do not be selfish, this life is cheap, whereas the life of islam, will grant you your desires in this life and the next life."

Do you really think the admin, whose byline is "grant me martyrdom", disapproves of such posts?

Could someone save these pages, so that we have proof when their servers go down?

As much as I'd like to keep my machine free of that filth, I'm working on it. Dunno how well wget will work, though.

Robert,

Thanks for doing the dirty work! I e-mailed a couple of news outlets this morning. People have to see this for themselves.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my use of the term "sand niglet" to refer to these Palestinian campers. I certainly meant no disrespect to the African-American community, and I now see how easily it could have been misinterpreted.

However, there is a fine tradition of dehumanizing the enemy in our foriegn wars, and I strongly believe that this should be continued. If the Arabs believe that we will act more forcefully against them because of their non-Western appearance and tribal behavior, so much the better for our deterrent capability. Further, I am very hesitiant to criticize our forebears who used words such as "jap" "slant" or "gook" to describe a brutal enemy in the Pacific, or "kraut" or "hun" to describe the incomprehensibly evil Germans. No, it was war, and if the enemy gets dehumanized, this is a result of a war which they begun.

As such, I will refrain from slurs such as "sand n*****" or "dune coon" or any of the others which have any semblance to African-American slurs. The use of "camel-jockey", "rug pilot", "sand flea", "[bigoted word]" or "[bigoted word]", however, will be used in reference to members of the Arab world. I would heartily encourage all Americans to engage in these ethnic slurs, which at the very least convey an appropriate level of disgust at the acts of the members of these societies.

No, there is nothing pretty about these words. But there is a war on, and after the war is over we can make nicey-nice. It should go without saying, of course, that there is the prospect of considerable casualties in Iraq this time around, because we didn't finish the job in Iraq ten years ago. And why didn't we? Because we empathized with those poor Iraqis surrendering and getting blown up by B-52 strikes. The time to feel a common humanity for these Arabs is after the war is over, so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

Until that time, I'll be calling the [bigoted word]s what they are - and throwing out all of their offensive stereotypes while I'm at it. Unless you believe, like those worthless surrendering cheese-eating smelly Frenchmen that the [bigoted word]s didn't blow up the World Trade Center.

Do you really think the admin, whose byline is "grant me martyrdom", disapproves of such posts?

Nope. But I wanted to point out that those kids are ostensibly being babysat.

I just wrote an entry about ClearGuidance.com for the front page.

I have to admit something; I discovered this site last year in November, and wrote an entry about it, but decided not to post it because I didn't want to give such a hateful place any publicity. Now I think I made the wrong decision...because it's gotten a lot worse, with open fantasies about psychotic slaughter and decapitation videos.

My God. This is in the United States. It's utterly chilling to know that children are being raised with these poisonous attitudes right here, among us. And apparently, training for the day when they can make their fantasies real.

How did you find the site then, Charles?

I want to point out that many of the kids seem to be in Canada and the UK, although the site is indeed American.

Also, not to diminish from the horor of what we see, realize that many kids do one-knows-not-what on the internet. It's possible (I hope) that at least some of these cyber-mujahideen are doing this without their parent's approval and knowledge.

Cowardly #36

I would love to see how they blame Israel for the depravity of American teens.

Easy, see:

The Jews have such a strong influence in Congress that they have managed to ruin the lives of American Muslims. These poor, deprived Muslims have no way of expressing themselves except for the wish to strike back at their dastardly oppressors.

I think the most impressionable are the young. The assclown who runs this site knows this. How old was lindh when he turned to the darkside? I no more believe that islam is peaceful than I believe in the tooth fairy. What percentage of the kids enjoying that site will end up fighting in the jihad abroad or in
america?

I also bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the fbi went to the homes of these muslim youths their parents would scream persecution.

Unless you believe, like those worthless surrendering cheese-eating smelly Frenchmen that the [bigoted word]s didn't blow up the World Trade Center.

To introduce a lighter note, here's a great anti-French cartoon.

ben,

While you were right that in a war the opposing side is called names, I'm not sure I like them too much. I don't think they are appropriate and are demeaning to our cause.

The names often reflect how a society differenciates itself with her opponents. WWII was fought in an era of racial division (e.g. Aryan "race"), hence many of the taunts that were used were racial. I'd like to think that we are far beyond race-issues. Religious issues have always been innapropriate in this country. What you need to do is to find taunts that reflect our genuine differences with the enemy. Think of the political and social differences we have.

As an example, the Soviet propaganda machine refered to the Nazis as fascists (as in the "fascist enemy", in practice, however, many racial taunts were also used). I'm sure you can think of more imaginitive taunts than "camel-jockey", teh story from Arab News notwithstanding.

there is a fine tradition of dehumanizing the enemy in our foriegn wars, and I strongly believe that this should be continued

With the enemy doing such a good job of dehumanizing themselves, I don't think we need to exert ourselves any further.

The more important point, however, is that racial slurs do more to defile the speaker than the target. We should not lower ourselves to that level, not because the terms may offend the enemy, but because it is beneath us to behave that way.

Finally, Eric the CR makes a good point which I'll expand on: many people from the same racial background are of us, not of the enemy. How can you use a racial insult without insulting some of our people at the same time? You can't. So don't.

Two words: cluster bomb

How can you use a racial insult without insulting some of our people at the same time? You can't. So don't.

Exactly.

Is Josef Farah a sand n*****? Is he a camel humper?

No.

We don't have to be creeps to defeat our enemies. 'Nuff said.

Zulubaby wrote:

Charles posted 'dying2live' a little while ago.

I think it's still the longest thread to date.

Is it Charles?

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a worn-out gramophone record. I just wanted to juxtapose myth against reality. The amazing thing is not that these things should happen in a culture such as the Palestinian's, where the nature of a conflict between currently hostile and mutually exclusive societies distrustful of one another is compounded by Islam's traditional obedience to a religious dogma, which is full of hatred.

The amazing thing is how the world media is apparently willing to fall for that lie, so as to excuse the suffering of Israeli civilians at the hands of Palestinian terrorists, because the hardship the latter endure is beyond our comprehension—as is the logic behind their suicidal actions.

Well, actually I find this talk of oppression by the enlightened media a little like the object of derision art critics make of the uninitiated, those who do not share their enthusiasm for the mysteries (and miseries) of modern art. This scornful élite tends to think it has to reach to people in order to illustrate them about what their opinions should be, since they alone have the wits to interpret meaning accurately. Trouble is people already know what they like and what they don't, just as they can also discern right from wrong. Only the wretched can claim to understand the killing of innocent people or the dreadful taste of many a talented artist.

Palestinians are trying to sell their struggle as a fight against oppression and occupation of their own land, as something short of a revolutionary liberation movement. However, the very nature of their actions dispells any claims whatsoever that this may be a secular fight. The fact is the only way they can justify their atrocities is by means of purporting the violence that is dragging on as the eternal clash of good versus evil, with Allah on the side of the Muslims. Yes, despair may make matters worse. But, let's face it, these kids do not volunteer to sacrifice their lives for the cause just out of despair and a dismal economic prospect. If that was the case, they'd have blown Arafat's headquarters by now. They do it out of hatred and contempt of the Jews. And the Holy Quran furnishes the perfect tool for advancing the cause of hate:

"And make ready against them all you can of power. Including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah Al-Anfal, 60)

Here is the moral alibi to slay innocents by the thousands, even if you don't know why are you killing them, God certainly will, as long as the cause is a sacred one. It sounds pretty much like The Lord of the Rings to me.

Wow. I haven't seen this much unthinking vitriol in one place in quite a while. "Sand niglets" and "[bigoted word]s" and "it's good to dehumanize your enemy", followed by others complaining that "they" worship a hateful god. Looks to me like there's a lot of that going around.

More importantly, what's NOT going around is a careful reading of the history of the Middle East. Such study is likely to surprise many contributors to this site. The Palestininians have indeed been screwed, by the British, by the Zionists, and, most importantly from my parochial POV, by the US. They're poor, they're pissed, and they're striking back in any fashion they can devise. If you have a few minutes, visit this website for some background which may alter your thinking: [Link: www.cactus48.com...]

Don't mistake me for an unblinking supporter of the Palestinian cause. It's just that, at least in the US, there is too much uncritical acceptance of the Zionist POV. The truth is, Israel has been led for over 50 years by a succession of war criminals, especially Ariel Sharon and Menachem Begin. Their goal is ethnic cleansing just as it was Milosevic's in Yugoslavia. To condemn the Palestinians without turning a balanced eye toward the Israelis is a mistake, and the sort of ugly racism I've seen in many contributions to this site is a disgrace.