Um... uh... er...

Iraq?

Suddenly, I'm very releaved that I leased an Audi.

Do you think they photocopied it from one of the textbooks the kids use in school?

It's Israel that's missing, kids! Maybe they were hacked?

Actually, that map would be perfectly accurate if it were titled "Brutally Repressive Muslim Regimes, Six Months From Now".

By the way, isn't BMW a German company? German anti-Semitism! Who knew??

I thought all the Palestinian people were poor and hungry. The kid celebrating murder in Nike apparel was one thing,
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
but if "Palestine" can support a BMW dealership (and apparently Mercedes too, according to BOTW), then I need to rethink my definition of poverty.

They are a bunch of kiss asses, trying to sell cars in Saudi.
It’s unbelievable how many prostitutes there are in this world. Appeasing the Arabs, though, has got to be lowest form of prostitution.

By the way, isn't BMW a German company?

Not just German, but Bavarian!

I guess a Judenrein Europe wasn't enough for them.

Time to put the heat on BMWs head office.

Tried to send an email from one of their web sites and it gave me some #$%#& error message.

ERROR is right.

You can write BMW at:

[Link: www.bmwgroup.com...]

Sure they could care less, but that's the address.

Don't forget to write Chrysler too.

Just sent this e-mail:

I was looking at your map of dealers and noticed Israel is not listed. In fact, Israel is not even on the map.

Did the country cease to exist?

Does BMW not have a dealership in Israel?

Or is this thinly veiled anti-Semitism.

Just wondering.

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[Link: www.bmw-me.com...]
is their Middle east address.

To be fair, they do have a separate Israel site...

[Link: www.bmw.co.il...]

Also a specialty Saudi site, but his one focuses on the rest of ME. I guess they had no balls to add Israel to the Map.

How many Israelis really want to buy a German car anyways?

Just wondering...

email them all! Zat's an order!

A. Non ... BMW is popular in Israel... Oh sorry... in "Palestine" a-la BMW site.

To think that I lived there for almost 40 years, and didn't know the "correct" name of my homeland...

Puee... Bastards!!!

The funny thing is that half the taxis in israel are mercs. Though from what i hear the engines are made by skoda works( the same company that makes all those cheap m16 ripoofs and plastic explosives)

there are.
Boycott them and what's left? GM's and Ford's junk (there are solid grounds for boycotting Ford as well - Henry was a notorious Jew-hater)? Ugly-as-sin Toyotas and plain-Jane Hondas?
Quite a predicament.

Audis.

Yeah, but what about quality?

Quality? Buy a Bentley then. *grin*

While I apologize to any Koreans here in LGF - I would like to defend Toyotas. While not sexy, they are reliable, affordable and have good pick up. Unfortunately, the Japanese were genocidal freaks themselves - it seams that to get a good car you have to choose products from nations who liked to rape and kill their neighbors. Makes one wonder about the connection between cars and masculinity.

Since I am hung like a horse I, unlike the Saudis, do not need to overcompensate with some status symbol BMW.

If this pattern continues it also seems likely that Afghanistan and possibly Iraq will be making fine automobiles in 30-40 years.

I wrote to Opinion Journal about this already...

The map is of the BMW Middle East Division's regions. They have a branch in Israel, probably under the European division. I would guess that the same applies to Mercedes.

Yeah, the map of Israel is highly screwed up, but most of the maps on their site have similar errors.

Look, people -- Germany is perhaps _the_ EU state most supportive of Israel. It is highly counterproductive to start ranting at them over a non-issue like this. At least first do your homework so you understand what it is you're complaing about.

And Taranto's dragging the Holocaust into it was ludicrous. I'm a big fan of his site but ...

Audi!

- build quality rated better than BMW's for thousands less.

- They have a real map of the world

- A4, A4, A6, allroad, these are some great great cars which routinely win awards left and right.

- they don't have the market share or marketing dollars, but they are growing in leaps and bounds.

- for the lucky folks in Europe, the RS4, probably the best sports wagon in existance... Imagine ~400 horses in a 4 seater rocket wagon...

- now a joke: What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW? A) the porcupine has its prick on the outside... :-)

A. Non (#15)

"How many Israelis really want to buy a German car anyways?

Just wondering..."

I'm not sure about the Israelis specifically, but I know lots and lots and lots of Jews who own BMW's. Come to Beverly Hills for a couple hours...

:-)

I personally would never buy a Mercedes because apparently Mercedes were the cars/manufacturers of choice for the Nazis. Anyone know if this is true?

jsing3r:

It's one thing to screw up a map and, say, accidently place the Sudetenland in Germany. It's another to purposefully pander to the cretins who would like to actually see Israel supplanted with "Palestine".

While I apologize to any Koreans here in LGF - I would like to defend Toyotas. While not sexy, they are reliable, affordable and have good pick up.

Yeah, but isn't Echo the butt-ugliest car in the world (with Avalon closely following)? And the new Camry ain't much better, either.

(Sorry if this is turning into the car-nut message board ;-))

Oh, and to quote the great Charles Emerson Winchester, III, being the "EU state most supportive of Israel" is somewhat akin to being the greatest ballet dancer in all of Galveston.

I personally would never buy a Mercedes because apparently Mercedes were the cars/manufacturers of choice for the Nazis. Anyone know if this is true?

Volkswagen.

However, I think most if not all major German industries benefited materially from Nazism and the unpleasant things it was doing.

There are plenty of great cars that aren't made in Germany.

In any case, I think this is not one of the more pressing moral issues at present but that's a matter of opinion.

Ugliest car in the world? The ill-fated Pontiac Aztek, may it rest in peace.

BMW = Bastards in Wehrmacht Motorbikes

James,

It's definitely not a pressing issue, but it's fun to talk about cars for a little while anyway ;-)

Screw em all, take the bus!

Remember the old joke. What does BMW stand for?

Bus, Metro, Walk

Bossman,

We don't want the Israelis to take the bus.

re: #33 Zulubaby

Zuluchild, you have such a sexy wink. Get Hot Rats yet? It's on special, buy the CD, get a FREE car.

Bossman,

LOL!

What car do I get?

Zuluchild,

A Bossmobile!

Convertible if you want.

Your choice of color!

Yay!

And I definitely want the convertible.

Zulubaby,

First, I need proof of purchase of "Hot Rats" CD.

...Where do I ship the car?

This really isn't new.

There was a big fuss a few months ago over a "Fuji" map of the world that did'nt contain Israel.

Basically al of them are afraid of putting Israel on the map.
Take a look on support websites of international companies. You're not likely to see Israel in the middle east, it will either be in Europe (or in Asia, though it is rare).

For some odd reason, I don't recall Israel being part of Europe... :-)

P.S.

Have you noticed how according to the first map the Golan Heights were annexed from Syria in favor of Palestine? LOL!

And also... Jerusalem (That is, I meant Al-Quds-A-Sharif) is not part of Palestine...

Bossman,

The receipt is on its way. I've included my address.

Ta very much ;-)

A Jewish friend of mine said, "I can't drive German cars. Every time I get in one, the doors lock and the heat goes on full blast."

It was a joke. Take a moment. It took me a moment.

Who stole the BMW map?

Oh, and I'll take silver

While we're discussing the rouge history of car manufacturers, allow me to remind you that the Ford family was really into "the jews secretly control the world" crap and yet after having donated a fancy car to Israel's first president any desire here in Israel to boycott them disappeared.

My point being, Israel isn't really everyone's favorite country and if we boycott everyone that hates it or mistreated jews we won't be able to buy ANYTHING.

A silver convertible Bossmobile. Your life will never be the same again, Zuluchild.

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Who stole the BMW...map?

Charles are you being threatened with a lawsuit?

It's just BMW and Mercedes Benz's version of Where's Waldo...only this time it's Where's Israel?

Looks like my .mac account has reached its bandwidth limit again. No lawsuits.

Does this mean the comments are disabled?

I guess it doesn't.

Charles,

Are we having a "don't panic" moment?

No problem with comments.

Here's the deal.

When you open an account with a web host, you get a certain amount of disk storage space and a certain amount of "bandwidth."

Storage space is the room you have to store files. That's what ran out a few days ago, when we had to disable comments temporarily. We had no room left on the web host's hard disk to store the comments. We requested more storage, and they kindly granted it to us.

The bandwidth, on the other hand, is the amount of data that is sent out over the Internet, when someone views the site in a browser. As a site gets more popular and the number of people who view it goes up, the number of bytes that has to be sent out over the Internet pipe also goes up. The more visitors, the more bandwidth.

Web hosts normally grant a certain amount of bandwidth per month (typically around 10 gigabytes) and charge more if a site uses more bandwidth.

To avoid these extra charges, I've been storing picture files (which are bandwidth hogs) on my Apple .mac account, instead of on our LGF web host. The hitch is that .mac has bandwidth limits too; but instead of charging money, they block access when the limit is exceeded. That's why the pictures sometimes go away.

Charles, what about donations? How much can the services you need cost? Not a lot, I would hope, in CA. People are offering you money for the great site you are providing. Why don't you take it?

In Israel, they go for Seats, Renaults, Peugots (sp?) and Suzukis. They like tiny little cars that they can whip around the corners at cheek-flapping speed, and park illegally almost anywhere. Just like Italy, I hear. I saw only one Mercedes there.

In contrast, Prince Abdullah Aziz Abdul ibn Fanteezi has 53.

Riverman wrote:

Charles, what about donations? How much can the services you need cost? Not a lot, I would hope, in CA. People are offering you money for the great site you are providing. Why don't you take it?

Who said I wouldn’t take it? :-) That's why we have the "Support LGF" section over there in our left sidebar. You can donate through either Amazon or Paypal, whichever you prefer.

I don't like to hype the donation thing too much. But it certainly does help, and not only for the hosting charges. The more donations we get, the more time I can allocate to maintaining and improving LGF.

At my college, we had some foreign students from the M-E and from Africa. Their families? They owned Mercedes and BMW dealerships.

It just always struck me as odd, especially considering that some of the African students were from Ethiopia of all places. Wouldn't have been my first guess as a hot-spot for luxury car buying.

Most foreign students in attendance were the sons and daughters of engineers, doctors, barristers, etc. But not the Arabs or the Africans.

"Yeah, the map of Israel is highly screwed up, but most of the maps on their site have similar errors."

Ah, so they're not anti-Semites, they're morons.

BMW == Break My Windows

Zulubaby: You asked, so here goes! BMW was primarily known for building plane engines (which they haulted for about ten minutes to observe the Versailles Treaty, but went full bore when Hitler came to power.) The Nazis built a factory for them just outside Munich (in a shady forest, harder for planes to drop bombs on) and also just outside Berlin. Mercedes also profited, since Hitler was always photographed in one of their cars and they were (I think) the first ones to put rotating machine guns on their 4wd's. Their grand prix racing team was initially funded by the Nazis. And all the drivers and cars had to have swastikas on them, in order to promote the party. Audi was initially Auto Union (Porsche designed their racing cars for them.)

BMW did have one guy during the Nazi years, Franz Josef Popp, who did his best to slow down production on their engines so as not to help the war effort, but he was forced into retirement and threatened with treason by Hitler.

p.s. Al Rantel on KABC is discussing the maps right now on his show.

German car manufacturers have already gotten all they need from Israel. Many Israelis worked for Mercedes-Benz and BMW in such lovely places as Buchenwald and Auschwitz.

At my college, we had some foreign students from the M-E and from Africa. Their families? They owned Mercedes and BMW dealerships.

It just always struck me as odd, especially considering that some of the African students were from Ethiopia of all places. Wouldn't have been my first guess as a hot-spot for luxury car buying.

Was the fact that they were at your college not a clue that they were rich? ;)

I don't think there's many spots on earth without rich people. These places generally have no middle class.

Maybe Noam "Two-Home" Chomsky will trade in his red Audi for a snappy new BMW.

Julie,

Thank you very much.

By the way, James is right about there being no middle class in Africa. And believe it or not, even in Ethiopia there are families with lots of loot. Mostly royalty. But most of the people in Ethiopia are starving. It's heartbreaking.

Hmm. Funny people going on about Audis... anyone remember the Audi 5000? The one with the cruise control chip that occasionally liked to activate and floor the gas pedal when you shifted out of park?

Wait, didn't Rolls Royce buy out BMW a year ago?

Let me first state my opinion on German cars : ever since they used the Panzer variety of the German car to enjoy their twisted kind of summer camp in my country, I refuse to buy German cars. And I certainly won't buy a car of a brand created by the fuhrer himself.

That said, Taranto went a bit over the top on this one. He links to the middle eastern sites of Mercedes and BMW, while VW-Audi (one company really) don't seem to have a separate site for the sheikhs of this world. I guess sheikhs aren't interested in "people's cars"; people are there to shoot, to whip or to stone to death and other niceties, not to buy cars.

It's because these despotic freaks begin to foam at the mouth whenever Israel is named in their presence that companies tend to hide their activities in Israel for them. It's a bit like Israeli border authorities putting a stamp on a separate paper instead of on your passport. Having a Israeli stamp in your passport might cost you dearly in an Arab country you visit afterwards.

And one final note : if some Arab prince wants to spend way to much money to have a star on his car, at least he isn't spending that money supporting a kamikaze's family.

Love this site, and this thread. I've laughed, I've cried, I've coveted zulubaby's new silver convertible bossmobile, but what I really want to hear more about is hung-like-a-horse Rrrrgrad! ;-)

And, while it's also manufactured by those genocidal Japanese, the Acura Intergra GS-R (now the RSX) and the CL S-type are great to drive, reliable over the long haul (drove my first one 14 years!) and kinda pretty. Hmmm...sorta like me.

You could read it the other way:
One Website for the Middle East, for all islamic countries:
[Link: www.bmw-me.com...]

And one Website for a country as important as the other ones together:
[Link: www.bmw.co.il...]

;-)

mommydoc,

Doesn't my silver convertible bossmobile sound gorgeous?

I forgot to ask Bossman how soon I'll get it ;-)

(I hope it looks somewhat like a Jaguar)

#66... You are a little backwards in your car history.A few years ago , Volkswagen AG went on a huge buying spree. At first they bought lamborghini from the murderous suhartos of the phillipines (They reportedly paid about 100 million dollars for the company without assuming any of the debt.The suhartos lost a fortune on the sale.) They then set their sites on rolls royce and Bently ( They were both owned by the same group and were ven made side by side in the production facility in Crewe, England.) Volkswagen made a huge error though, they purchased the factory in crew and the the Bently name but for some reason they didnt lock up the Rolls Royce name. In comes BMW buys the RR name for next to nothing . So now VW cant make any RRs without getting licensing rights from BMW . This wasnt going to be a good situation for VW so they agreed to a deal. [I beleave the deal was reached in the summer of 98, which will be relevant a little later] The deal was for the next 5 years VW gets exclusive and unconditional rights to the RR name . At the end of the 5 years BMW would get the name back and all the RR designs and parts. So in the summer of 2003 RR willbe totally owned by BMW . However unlike the Bentleys , the new RRs will not be made in the legendary Crewe facility but will probably be made on Bavaria or the american plant in South Carolina( if there is a huge U.S. demand for them ,Unlikely in my opinion seeing how bentleys outsell RR 6-1)

soory for the spelling mistakes . Most were typos though

I like this exercise in cartography by BMW. It is the equivalent of that Mercedes commercial where they show people driving their sleds in the 20s (in some kind of olde-tyme race) then the 30s, then a family in the 50s, etc.

Made me stop and think what happened in the 40s.

Fucking Krauts, when they are not busy white-washing their history, they spend their time lecturing us about capital punishment.

I wish the war went longer so we could have nuked them or let the Russians rape the whole damn country.

#26,

I wouldn't buy Mercedes - the Mercedes ensign is on the gas chambers.

Buy LEXUS though. It has the reliability and safety of Toyota (being part of the same company) but looks a little slicker. Part of the slick yet understated look (not as flashy as a Beamer or Mercedes).

Zulubaby:

When your silver Bossmobile arrives, will you swing by and pick me up to go cruising?

I drive a saturn. :P

Where duz that place me politically and religously?

Let me see: the Nazis drove BMWs, drank beer and breathed air. I'm sure the anything-but-the-nazi-lifestyle crowd will refrain from all three activities.

Buy LEXUS though. It has the reliability and safety of Toyota (being part of the same company) but looks a little slicker. Part of the slick yet understated look (not as flashy as a Beamer or Mercedes).

I agree. LS still looks like a big ugly lump of metal, but the new ES is actually pretty slick. The new Acura TL looks good, too. (Believe it or not, I never liked the looks of Mercedes).

Another plug for Acura. I just turned over 100,000 miles on mine, and it still runs great!

BMW has apparently taken down the page containing the offending map. [Link: www.bmw-me.com...]

Ok, I have to throw this in. No one has mentioned Nissan. Best car manufacturer ever. 100,000 miles on your Acura? Try 300,000 on my '90 Maxima. Just passed inspection too :) An amazing car.

And their new cars are pretty too. The new Altimas? Drool.

Re: Nissan

The new G35 is pretty ugly, though, despite all its advantages in other areas.

Dean (#75)

Of course ;-)

Cars are a complicated problem. It is certainly true that Germany is currently among the most Israel friendly of all european nations. (witness recent remarks that Germany owes Israel special relationships and will never participate in any EU boycott).

And, of course, Chrysler, which owns Dodge, is now part of Mercedes. FORD is antisemitic in history as mentioned, and Dodge used to have a Jewish Star as it's insignia (prior to the RAM - also a Jewish symbol). So, what do you do there?

There really aren't any moral German car companies though. The role of Mercedes and BMW in the Holocaust is well documented. VW which owns Audi (the Jetta and the A6 are the same car) used Jewish slaves in its factories just like Mercedes and BMW. Porsche (formed after the war as a car company according to most reports) spent the early years building war equipment and tanks for the nazis.

The Italians were fascists and their cars are either too expensive or unreliable (or both), Japan has its own ethical problems (although the new Infinitis are nice), Ford was antisemitic and subscribed to the Elders of Zion myth, Chyrlser is now German, so,what do you do? The swedish cars are owned by FORD... so, all that's left is GM!

I used to drive a Delorean - I chose drug abuse as the cause to support over genocide!

Thank you to A. van Hilten (#32) for the link. Followed it to

[Link: www.wehrmachtsgespann.de...]

Impressive marketing brochure. Forget their cars. I'm gonna get me a BMW R75 Wehrmachtsgespann (1940-46), "the heavy German military bike." After all, as the caption says, "A completely restored and perfectly running Wehrmachtsgespann will give you a lot of fun on- and off-road!" Not to mention target practice.

Hey, I'm entitled. After all, my relatives probably helped build it.

Wanna go for a ride with me, Rrrrgrad? Seat or sidecar? We're gonna drag race with zulubaby and Dean Douthat in z'baby's new convertible silver bossmobile. RRR!

To BlogSnoop (#76): Safe, reliable, reasonably-priced, non-controversial practical and unexciting. Middle of the road and Church of Plain Vanilla? You won't be able to keep up in the drag race (not that you'd probably want to--you're too intelligent!) ;-)

And to #73
Whose blogname is ben
I can only find the words,
"Well-said and amen."

Those wacky Germans probably don't believe any Jews survived the final solution. Well, I don't want to be the one ruining their day by telling them they weren't as efficient as they thought. Probably better off that they not know there's a whole country of Jews somewhere.

As for the Nazi/automaker connections, recall that the VW Beetle was Hitler's "People's Car." I always got a laugh from peace loving flower children driving around in a vehicle originally designed to provide cheap reliable transportation for all those good Germans commuting to to their jobs at the death camps. And then of course, that funny little "Thing" VW marketed briefly as a general purpose fun car was the Wermacht's Kubelwagen (remember the one in the third Indiana Jones film?). And then Dr. Ferdinand Porsche designed tanks for the Nazis.

Finally, as for nationally ubiquitous autos, I noticed in the Gulf that the most common car was the Chevy Caprice Classic. Eveybody had a Rolls or Mercedes or Range Rover for status, but invariably the second car was the Caprice.

mommydoc you are funny :-)

Thank you, zulubaby. I think finally being in a forum with intelligent and truly witty posters is rubbing off on me. Any word yet on the bossmobile? May it look like a Jag, handle like a Maserati (or even a Nazi-car) and run like a Honda!

Well said, Steve Skubinna!

Ya know, when I was car-shopping I had it down to the two former Axis powers (it was: New Beetle or Echo?) -- I'm glad I went with Toyota.

But don't you think Echo is the butt-ugliest car in the world?

I sent around the actual BMW-Middle East website link to several people today who were equally amazed.

It looks like they have taken down at this point - the middle east region on this map doesn't even highligh anymore! Clear anti-semitism.

Check out the pull-down on this screen

Well, I now not what my next car purchase won't be...

My '75 Volvo (purchased used) is approaching 200K, minimum maintenance and runs like a dream. In addition, I like the way the Swedes behaved (for the most part) in WWII.

BMW=BOWEL MOVEMENT OF THE WEST

Maybe these manufacturers should try some "Zykon-B" I hear I does wonders for "clearing" the mind.

fscinating site.Great reading and elucidating thank you

Simple, don't buy those cars anymore, as long as there is an alternative, and there is!!

if we start to put aionizm on the map of the world, we are putting a brick in the wall that leads to human destruction..no regim, system since the cave man is as dangerous as zionism.it's equivalent to seatruction..it was behind WW1, WW2...and it is still behind every problem on earth..so, please put Palestine back where it belongs..it's only juste, and fair..

Plain and simple, yet no body gets it, lol. Israel and Palestine are in the middle of a huge war, why should BMW get involved? Just because some ZioNAZIS cry "anti-semites!!!"? No, I don't think so.

Are you stupid or what? Talk about missing the point.

Any excuse to troll.

Nice try with the Nazi bit. Zzzz...

Are you an ISLAMOfacist?

To the zions the rest of us are cattle...to be used at their disposal...After all they are Gods chosen people...

And the Japanese committed atrocities equivalent or much worse on the Chinese...

Lived in southern Africa as a child (1970s), and Mercedes was by FAR the most popular car. Mercedes heavy trucks were widespread, as were Land Rovers and Puegot light trucks.

By the time we left, most of the farmers we knew in Rhodesia and South Africa were welding armor plating to the undercarriage...the only way to protect against landmines laid by 'patriot heroes' like Robert Mugabe.

Love,

skink

This strange German love to Arabs and the moslem world started in 1911 during so-called Moroccan crisis. Then kaiser Wilhelm declared imperial Germany a protector of moslems. They had strong ties before the WWII, during and after. This the one of the cornerstones of German foreign policy - appeasement of the Arab and moslem world.

skink,

Are you a "when-we"?

That's what we used to call the Rhodesians when they arrived at our schools in SA... "When we were in Rhodesia..."

:-)

massoud:

"if we start to put aionizm on the map of the world, we are putting a brick in the wall that leads to human destruction..no regim, system since the cave man is as dangerous as zionism.it's equivalent to seatruction..it was behind WW1, WW2...and it is still behind every problem on earth..so, please put Palestine back where it belongs..it's only juste, and fair.. "

You really shouldn't believe all the bullshit you've been force-fed your whole life. Poor, lost, twisted soul.

carlthetruthwilliams:

..."they are Gods chosen people..."

You got it baby ;-)

Can you talk some sense into massoud, the poor dear? I'm sure he'll understand things better if he hears it from someone like you.

Hello,

I got to this site following a link from James Tarantos "Best of the Web".

Mercedes and BMW certainly didn't intentionally leave out Israel from their maps; no corporation will go out of its way to offend potential customers.

I'm a bit upset at Taranto' s way to perceive reality: He takes a report that the German police is investigation the possible support of Arab car exporters for terrorists, adds the maps discussed here and headlines the whole section "Germans vs Jews" (I'll keep reading his column anyway).

Germany is after the US Israel's most important friend and supports it consistently. While several EU members indeed side openly with the Palestinians against Israel, Germany has always prevented any anti-Israel resolutions or actions like boycotts by the EU; to strenghten the IDF, the German military supports it by sending equipment.

There also is no appeasement of extremists or countries hostile to Israel and the West. It's just that the Middle East is a lot closer to us than to the US and we are therefore more careful. After all, if anything goes seriously wrong there it's going to be right in our face.

In an effort of appeasing Arab sensitivities, Mercedes labeled every country on its Middle East Distributor map except the State of Israel. Worse yet, BMW calls Israel "Palestine" on its map. This is particularly offensive, as Germany only 60 years ago tried to wipe the entire Jewish people off the Map.

Speak Up. Don't allow the Germans to get away with this blatant omission, e-mail Mercedes and BMW at the Israel Info Center, click: [Link: www.israelinfocenter.com...]

Sample Letter:

Dear Mercedes & BMW Executives:

I am shocked that while the State of Israel is one of the largest per capita purchasers of German automobiles, you fail to recognize their existence on your Website (map). Ironically, this is not the first time that German car manufacturers have tried to erase the existence of the children of Israel. Only 60 years ago, German car manufacturers profited from the exploitation of Jewish laborers. Not only did BMW and Mercedes benefit from the labor camps, but supplied the Nazi regime with the tools to continue the extermination of the Jewish people.

Once again, your companies have put profitability ahead of morals. Your blatant omission of the State of Israel from your distribution maps is nothing less than a symbolic gesture to Arab customers in the hopes of driving up sales. Ironically, your sales goals are in contrast with the principals of the free world, as Germany's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung's recent reported that "fundamentalist Islamic organizations are using luxury car exports from Germany to Saudi Arabia to raise money for their activities."

No wonder why so many Americans refuse to buy German goods (maybe more should follow)? I think it is time for Mercedes and BMW to publicly apologize to the State of Israel (and the Jewish people), thus showing the world that ethics are more important than profit.

Sincerely
Shalom Mitchell
Editor

***
[Link: www.israelinfocenter.com...]

I've never imagined of buying any nazi car.
But unfortunately, the nazi cars in Israel were quite popular in the 50s,60s,70s.
Not anymore,though. The Japanese and Korean
cars completely swallowed the market.
Here in US and Canada, we don't need nazi cars. We have enough very good cars made by GM,Ford,Chrysler. It's not crap, like somebody said. They are better cars then japanese junk.
Maybe american cars have less fancy features, but many of these idiotic features are useless crap. For the same money you pay for a "best" Honda or "best Toyota, you can buy THE BEST
of Pure American Car, like Caddilack, Town Car... Japanese and the nazis will NEVER make cars like these!
Still, the Cavalier and Sunfire are The Most popular cars anyway in North America.
It will change in Israel too. Soon, American cars will kick out ALL the nazi cars from Israel.

And I own a mercedes...shame on me. What happened to the most progressive country in Europe .{ an inside joke ]

In fairness, I went to the bmw and mercedes sites and found that the bmw site is closed (under construction) and the mercedes site does not have a map of the middle east. It has a statement listing the countries handled by mercedes Middle East and says, "All other countries in the Middle East are directly handled by DaimlerChrysler Overseas in Stuttgart, Germany." However, a quick look at the main Mercedes home page ([Link: www.mercedes-benz.com...] of countries turned up that Israel is indeed missing from the list.

It does not matter whether american cars are better or worse.When push comes to shove it is america who supports Israel. I do not know why Israelis buy any car other than one made in the U.S.A.. But Israelis expect us to buy their products. Israel should wake up and understand where its bread is buttered. Sorry!!

It becomes obvious that the reason Israel is not on the map is because the lease expired !

I lived in Israel a while back, so I'm speaking from personal experience. Those of you who are concerned or offended or confounded by widespread Israeli usage of Mercedes need to realize something important...

MERCEDES-BENZ (along with other German manufacturers of ALL kinds of products) sells very cheaply to Israel as part of GERMANY'S WAR REPARATIONS (WWII). Most Israelis are not as affluent as you think and they don't choose German autos or art supplies or dry goods or a lot of other things because they're so superior. They simply get a bargain basement deal on them. And they also get some support from Germany when support of any kind from the European community runs pretty thin almost everywhere else. And it's good old-fashioned guilt that fuels most of the support they get from Germany.

Have you seen people Blown up? Shot?Raped? i dont think so .zulubaby its not a twisted notion or idea to stand up for what you believe ,not everything is forced into peoples head.why dont we turn the table on you...why have you bot been brain washed into your beliefs.such a pity.

The Germans strike again. One would think they'd have developed a collective conscience by now, but it becomes more clear every day that they haven't. Since they have a history of many years of honouring the Arab boycott of Israel, this should not surprise us. The only difference is that they're relatively quiet about honouring the boycott, while these maps are right under our noses.

As for masood's comments, what else can you expect from a member of the people who gave terrorism a bad name?

Zulubaby, you are way cool!

Just like to say, I wouldn't buy a Kraut car in the first place. The Europeans still hate us, just that the Frogs are more open about it than the Krauts.

And to confirm what you said before, Daimler-Benz built every Panzer (tank) for the Germans in both world wars. Only Volkswagon (Aryan People's Car), shitler's own creation, was worse in supporting the Nazis (and still is). Every European nation has condemned Israel and is bent on destroying her.

So, for good quality cars, buy GM, namely Pontiac, Oldsmobile, and Buick to name a few. They are really good cars, always have been.

SUPPORT ISRAEL; NOT THE ARABS

Good evening. The name Mercedes was given by Emil Jellinek, a Austrian-Jew diplomat, who wanted to buy and therefor sell the Daimler-Benz in USA. He wanted the new cars, designed by Maybach, to have the name Mercedes, his daugther's name. The name was so successful, especially in France, Daimler's most-wanted market, that he decided to adopt the name and create the Mercedes-Benz. Hitler, when he learned this story went so furious that most times selected the Horch limos. He wanted to alter it to the previous one, Daimler-Benz. But he gave support to the company "for the shake of the Aryan technology". About BMW, the Bavarians were the most supportive "fans" of NSDAP and from there Hitler begun his political life. Why I wrote this? Just for history. There was also Citroen, who was a Dutch-Jew. It is said that Chrysler (Kraisler) was a German-Jew. Don't worry Israelis, BMW was paid to do so...

Wow. Who knew this thread was having a revival? (Except Charles, of course)

hanah (#114)

Have you seen people Blown up? Shot?Raped? i dont think so .zulubaby its not a twisted notion or idea to stand up for what you believe ,not everything is forced into peoples head.why dont we turn the table on you...why have you bot been brain washed into your beliefs.such a pity.

Welcome to the thread, almost two months later. To think that I almost missed out on your wonderful insight.

For your information you little twerp, not only have I seen people blown up and shot, I have, in fact, been involved in a bomb blast myself. Feel better now? Good.

If you are going to troll through here and post your shitty incoherent drivel, may I suggest that you get a handle on the language first. And use punctuation, fer chrissakes! Another handy trick: get your facts straight and you may earn an iota of respect. No guarantees though. On second thoughts, scrap that. You've already proven what an idiotic troll you are. Too late.

I am not opposed to people standing up for what they believe in, so long as it is the truth, and not hateful lies such as the ones that you've been brainwashed into believing. I don't expect you to understand the difference. I also don't enjoy the likes of your friend massoud coming in here wimpering about what is "juste (sic) and fair". Why don't you all stop playing the victim? It's tired and boring. What do you know about life anyway, you insignificant troll?

Ykaterina (#115)

Thank you :-)