Pathetic.

Hey, if we're going to Europeanize America, why not go the whole nine yards? Attention, Jewish Americans: your trains are leaving on Track Nine. . . .

Ooh, we bad, we so bad. ROTFL.

This really bolis my blood.

Shouldn't this be posted under fantasy ideology?

#58 of thread

I've been stunned by the reaction of the illiberal-leftists to the Islamist War and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Soley based on the professed principles of the left such as gender equality, gay-rights, civil-rights, political freedom non-violence etc., you might assume that the lefties would be the most outspoken critics of the Palestinians and the Islamists. Yet the left (especially the academic elite) is supporting and/or rationalizing groups that violently oppose every single one of its professed beliefs. This can't be rationially explained.

The only explanation is the Fantasy Ideology principle. The post-modern/post-colonial psyche has conjured up the "National Liberation Movement Against the Imperialistic Oppressor" fantasy embodied by Noam Chomsky and Edward Said. The postmodern-left-wing-fundamentalist-extremists have sacrificed their stated principles to make the world conform to their fantasy.

And they are teaching our children.

To have "changed regime" in Berlin in the early Thirties would have meant overturning a democratically elected leader in Hitler.

This is the key to the European mind-set. Hitler was a legitimate democratically elected leader. America is a rogue state.

Hamilton's suggestions make sense if we wanted to be a second rate nation like Brition.

Is this supposed to be satire, or is he just projecting his sick fantasies, like Osama bin Ladead ? I suppose Great Britain is in some desperate need of a little invasion too. Elections based on an absolute majority ? Which prime minister has ever been elected, except by the voters in his own district ?

BTW, has this sick creature just forgotten to blame the Jews for everything ? How is that possible in the Independent ? We should report this the propaganda staffel at once.

And The Guardian has now moved beyond "moral equivalence" to branding Israelis as the "terrorists".

[Link: www.unitedjerusalem.org...]

If Hamilton ever comes to the States, I'm dumping him in Boston Harbor.

Of course this is the type of Brits he speaking to:

Abu Hamza: "I consider myself British to the extent that I use my British documents to move around. If the question is whether I consider myself British because I agree with British policy, the answer is, of course, negative... I live here and I hold a passport. It is a superficial identity; real identity is in the heart and in the mind, and this is the [identity] that drives a man. This [identity] is Islam..."
[Link: www.memri.org...]

Look, there's more than one way to ensure that the US is not the target of Iraqi WMD if they are given to terrorists. Instead of invading and making sure that the people of Iraq have the regime they deserve, we should employ all of US intel and propaganda to point out that the true infidels are in Europe, and that the lack of security and proximity makes Europe a much more attractive target.

It would be cheaper and easier, and after about a year or two the US would probably be hired to handle the invasion anyway.

Hurtful commentary from the cheap seats. Limey has-beens.

Wow! I've been itching for a remake of that classic 80s cinema masterpiece, _Red Dawn_, for years (well, minutes actually).

_Red Dawn II: the EuroBrit Scourge_ will depict a heavily armed populist uprising against a EU/UN invasion of the States. Lotsa guns and 'splosions. Bad-ass rap metal soundtrack. Maybe a kooky love angle.

Who's with me? It's time to start casting this thing!

From the same website: [Link: argument.independent.co.uk...]

JoeyJoeJoeShabbadooJr, you'd get arrested for dumping toxic waste in a public waterway. He should be taken to a landfill and buried, instead.
Riyadh delenda est!

Let's see:

Britain vs. the U.S.:

1 Loss, 1 Tie, 0 Wins.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen to the far Left if they turned off Rage Against the Machine and actually entered reality.

I hold this truth to be self-evident: Adrian Hamilton is anything BUT clever, which makes sense considering he couldn't even make the Guardian's yellow journalism cut. The Independent's half-rate at best. So sad...

Actually, I'm thankful for outrageous polemics like this one. It will solidify The Independent's image as a looney left-wing rag and further estrange mainstream readers.

After all, how many people today still read Communist Review?

It's hard to blame the Euros for resenting the US's willingness to act without their permission. After all, they're the ones that saved our asses in WWII, right? If not for them, Americans would all be driving BMWs, eating schnizel and reading Mein Kampf in grade school, right?

One delusion makes about as much sense as the other.

Wow, so this is how one trolls from the pages of Responsible Big Media™, eh?

Oh, and get this:

"It is no friend of democracy, having announced its refusal to deal with the only two elected leaders of the Islamic world – Khatami in Iran and Yasser Arafat in Palestine, the latter the only Arab leader ever elected with western observers checking the process."

Adrian, you spotty little git! How did you get to be so bloody thick? What did they do with you at your public school, apart from thrashing you senseless with a cricket bat? For shame, boy, for shame!

.

Hey, Nobody, I'm with you. Gerard Depardieu ([Link: i.imdb.com...] as the EU commander in charge of Provo, Utah.

I'm with ya, nobody. Does anyone know if Vin Diesel can do a Belgian accent?

re #21

Yasser Arafat and the
Myth of Legitimacy

Daniel Polisar

[Link: www.shalem.org.il...]

Robin, why get Vin Diesel when Belgium has already produced one of the world's great actors: Jean-Claude van Damme? He could play the provisional "President" of the EU-Nited States.

Could this be a "Modest Proposal" satire?

Envy is an ugly emotion, isn't it?

The problem remains the practicalities. Whereas in Afghanistan the allies could rely on a local opposition force on the ground, no such scenario can be relied on in this case. The Arab speaking minority in France have already been induced to rise up, but as their opposition is mainly to Jewish school children, they would be more a distraction than of any real assistance. The answer could be an "inside-out" strategy using special forces to take Paris (which would fall before our troops reached Atlantic waters), Berlin, London and a few key nuclear bases. Provided the rest of the continent was left to get on with its holiday (and the supply of wine remained uninterrupted), there would probably be little internal opposition to a seizure of the former capitals.

A period of occupation of five to 10 years could provide an opportunity to inculcate ideas of true democracy,

Weenieocracy, with anything important settled by a decree from Brussels.

.. with a fair electoral system based on absolute majority,

So that we can decide important issues, like how much crepe paper to use to decorate the gym for Prom Night.

abolition of the death penalty,

Some states have already done that, as is their right.

introduction of unions into hi-tech industries

We can vote 'em in anytime we like...Oh...You mean compulsory. Like with 30-hour work weeks, six-week vacations, and nobody ever gets actually fired. We could then compete with Europe on an equal footing. We might even get as good as Sweden, whose per-capita income is lower than Mississippi's.

and a break-up of the Zaibatsu, the overweening corporations such as Microsoft, Exxon and General Electric.

"Overweening?" That word, from Europe? The pot, lecturing the kettle for its blackness.

Even though he's Canadian, Jim Carrey ([Link: www.jimcarreyonline.com...] could play the Patrick Swayze "?Wolverine" resistance leader role. You know, because we Americans are so dumb and we're cowboys.

I hate to say it, because I love England, but the Europeans/UN would have trouble at this point conquering the US Virgin Islands let alone the Continental United States.

But then perhaps that's the joke. Perhaps his fella is mocking Europe for being so whoefully inadequet and leaving the US to do all the heavy lifting.

Probably not.

Repeat after me: sa-tire. sa-tire...

That being said,

Bring it ON, mr. smarmy brit asshole! We kicked your limey asses in 1812 and we can sure as hell do it again...

..."Given time, this rogue superstate might then be able to take its place once again among the family of peace-loving nations."

Look at all those peace loving nations in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc. How can that rogue superstate not want to stand in a big circle holding hands with all those fine countries with all those fine past and present situations. Come Mr. Napoleon, Mr. Chamberlain, Mr. Hitler, Mr. Mussolini and Mr. Tojo, and all you in the Vichy government, Mr. Stalin, Mr. Amin, Mr. Assad and Mr. Pol Pot. Sadaam, put down those chemicals and leave those Kurds and Iranians alone. And Mr. bin Laden, if you're still around come, the horrible country of America wants to act just like you. Sorry for all your many friends we left out. Remember, Strength is bad, no matter what the reason. Appeasement and impotence is good. Thank goodness a fine, witty mind like Adrian Hamilton is there to show everyone the way!

Onion.com he ain't. And for those who say the US is acting like those named and the many unnamed, I say 'get real'. If it were many countries and people would be gone. Fast. And so would "you"....just for complaining about it. That's one difference.

When our ancestors fled tyranny in sailing ships, they left behind an extremely screwed-up gene pool.

Mr. Hamilton has been watching football instead of doing his lessons:

"It has a government in power without the legitimacy of a democratic majority, in the hands of a coterie from a single part of the country and clearly aiming at a dynasty of rule."

Wrong, boy! (THWACK!) What on earth is --- oh, do stand up straight, boy --- what on earth is wrong with you, lad? Have your schoolmates finally buggered you into utter idiotism? (THWACK! THWACK! THWACK!) Wipe your snivelling little gob and answer me, boy!

The little wanker is just trying to get attention. We should ignore him just like we ignore the other Euro-weenies.

My ultimate fantasy is a genuine "alternate universe". This could be one where the international left (known in Europe as "the ruling classes") get EVERYTHING they want. US out of XXXX? We're out.... gone. US becomes radically isolationist, says "you're all on your own, best of luck? Yee Haa! What they call a "fair democracy" everywhere, meaning whatever I happen to want it to mean TODAY? Done! Western civilization existing for the sole puropose of gleefully attacking, undermining and destroying it.... and replacing it with...... um, what exactly? (doesn't matter). So destroyed! Third World tyrants get all the wapons they want and then some? Here ya go, boys, have fun! Group rights specifically set up to snuff out individual rights? So snuffed! Abolition of the death penalty, EXCEPT for the monstrous and unconsionable crime of defending your home against an armed thug?(for THAT there can be no redemption) Done deal! All power to unions, death and torture to those who actually found and run the companies that produce our wealth? You bet!

And one more thing..... all these lefty putzes would HAVE to live with that which they struggle so mighily for. No exceptions, no escape, nothing but more of the same for their children and grandchildren. And yes, so many would hear me say that today and say "Great, Wonderful"!

And THAT is why I want them to live... and die with it. Of course they can today ... in North Korea and Cuba. Yep, they're just lining up.

One wishes these ideas were once implemented so we could all see how wrong they are. Oh, wait. THEY WERE!

Does it matter? Nope. Not a bit. Completely irrelevant. Rude to even bring it up, you unsophisticated backwoods cowboy.

I just want such an alternate universe, and I want to watch... and laugh, although suicide ought not to be funny. Ayn Rand described it best in 'Atlas Shrugged'. (America shrugged. Ponder that one for a bit)

Understanding these people is a mystery I will take to the grave.

Why is Isreal hated by the left?

It is a very easy question to answer. Which conservative columnist is the most hated? Horowitz. Why? He betrayed them and joined 'the enemy' an unforgivable sin.

Isreal was founded as almost a leftist socialist dream state. Forty years of conflict has taught Isreal that reality is far harsher then their initial utopian ideals and for this the Western Leftists can't forgive them.

BTW, I think that Hamilton got his inspiration from reading T3d Ra11. Ra11 had a cartoon where the UN concluded that the US needed to be nuked (or at least bombed), because it was a rogue state.

Further confirming the Tim Blair conclusion that all the idiots are converging.

"A period of occupation of five to 10 years could provide an opportunity to inculcate ideas of true democracy"

He proposes to end hegemony with hegemony.

What a silly little hypocrytical tit this fellow is.

Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood:

"[Hamilton] did not deserve to smell my shit! That limey cocksucker can rot in hell for all I care!"

The beauty of NATO is that it only requires the US to come to the aid of Europe in the event of an external threat.

May they be eaten alive by their massive hordes of Muslim immigrants. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Europe invade the US - that's rich. Heck, I could round up 3 or 4 of my old army buddies and take over France in about two days. They'd probably surrender to us before we even arrived though ...

Wayne

US out of NATO!

UN out of US!

Europe out of self induced political delusions!

Ok. All kidding aside. I'd really like to see the EU try it.
If they could get here, we could let Rhode Island kick thier butts.

No really! Make for way better week end sporting event than baseball is doing.

Having vented above in #38, I am now more at peace. Euro-lefties do that to me.

Let us refrain from tarring nations with the one brush due to some of their idiot chatterers. It is worth noting that....

1) European electorates are moving to the right. A healthy trend, let's encourage it.

2) The depth of Islo-fascist penetration of Europe is now known to all. If they choose to ingore it from here on, it is Europe that will suffer more than the US.

3) Our markets are stabilizing. Funny how the left just cannot and will not "get" that the markets are doing NOTHING we have'nt seen twenty times in the past 200 years. THe joy with which we hear "Oh, no the sky is falling on capitalism" is not lost on us. Guess who is gonna laugh last Yuk, yuk.

4) And most importantly, and do NOT forget this... leftism (statism) in Europe and the world is failing. Everything Marx wrote about "internal contradictions" and "collapse of it's own weight" will prove true, though not quite in way he thought, heh, heh. But as it fails, and we see it with this drivel here, its proponents in academia and media will grow EVER MORE shrill as the agony starts to bite. In this they resemble the Islo-fascists, and ain't THAT just a strange coincidence, uh huh.

So, let us remember Hamilton here represents a minority. Let us pray for Europe. We cannot save them. Only they can save themselves.

After being sickened by this Hamilton crap, it is good to read some thoughtful commentary. I suggest visiting http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson080902. aspVictor Davis' column. Nothing new to those who frequent this blog, but a heartening confirmation of what *should* be obvious truths to even the most craven US-haters none the less.

Isn't this from the country that recently 'reformed' the House of Lords by having positions filled by a lottery?

"abolition of the death penalty,"

A few hours later the PA confirmed that the execution did take place, identifying the victim as Bashir Attari. Palestinians described him as mentally retarded.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

#47 -- Well said, Andrew X.

It doesn't actually smell like satire to me. I get the sense that he'd love for it to be possible, despite the fact there's no way. _nobody_ has that kind of warfighting capability.

I hereby reserve my 2nd amendment right to shoot any occupier in the eye. Yea, and if it's run like a typical UN "peacekeeping" operation, they won't even have ammunition to shoot back with. heh.

I also suggest a preemptive nuclear strike, i mean, geez, they're even an island nation, so fallout can largely be limited to them. And i would also suggest the usage of neutron bombs, as i'd kind of like to be able to pee on some of their landmarks after it's all said and done.
double heh.

Bring it on, Eurotrash!

Hey andy, chill out a bit, even if you are kidding. I mean, c'mon, I'd like to have a friend here and there.

Besides, they gave us Monty Python. That counts HUGE!!!

Following a link to another article by Adrian Hamilton one reads a reasonable discussion of why Europeans (without a clue) may be confused by our foreign policy as described by our State Department, but after blaming Bush (of course) for pandering to domestic interests, here is the pentiultimate paragraph:

"You can argue (as I would) that what we are seeing is less the apogee of American imperialist power than its decline. America no longer has the means or the will to engage with the world. Instead it is retreating to its own security."

His only two choices are that we're at the peak of our power - and thus are ready to go downhill - or we're already going downhill. Doesn't occur to him that its not that we lack the "means or the will to engage with the world", its that we don't think there's any point.

[Link: argument.independent.co.uk...]

yeah, i know. i don't really feel that way, and i know it might reflect badly on some of us, which is probably an unfortunately stupid choice on my part.

I don't truly advocate nuking Britain. Without them, we wouldn't have such lively discourse =]

Even though i don't like Python all that much (!!)...

If any of you were close enough to the military to pay attention to the contribution of the British to the war in Afghanistan you would know the British sent their very best without reservation. Their ground forces are as good as any in the world. Their air tankers filled in gaps in the U.S. forces and made a great contribution to air operations.

Yes, they have a few like Adrian Hamilton. Well, the U.S has a few like Noam Chomsky.

I'm an Anglophile myself, thanks in part to Sherlock Holmes and Shakespeare. Besides, Lyndon LaRouche hates the British, so the crumpet-munchers can't be all bad.

You have to admit, as Europeans go, the Brits are much less annoying than the continentals. For the past century or so, they've also been much less bossy and pushy.

Even British left-heads have a certain style. Not like the vulgar, loutish left-wingers that we have over here in the Land of the Free. I'd trade Ted Rall for Christopher Hitchens any day, AND I'd throw in Michael Moore, and some cash, too.

So, all in all, God Save the Queen. I guess.

I live in Kentucky and just in this state we have enough military resources to take on all of Europe! lol

I'm trembling in my nikes, just thinking about the forces Hamilton will assemble. The French? Surrendered to a puzzled American tourist at Orly, you say? The Dutch? Held in reserve. An acknowledgement of their superb "peace keeping" expertise. Only the Brits and Germans are ready to fight. But in an uncontrollable reflex action, they immediately start fighting each other. America meanwhile, ignores the level 3 alert and tunes into the finale of American Idol. When all the dust has settled, and Hamilton has been taken away to Kate Moss' favorite rehab center, the UN issues another resolution blaming Israel for .... something.

Don't worry about the toad, folks. Look where his rag is in the circulation stakes over the past six months. It is a loser, like its writers.

News of the World 3,953,700
The Sun 3,441,613
The Daily Mail 2,419,792
The Mail on Sunday 2,351,224
Daily Mirror 2,127,115
Sunday Mirror 1,778,075
The Sunday Times 1,416,679
Sunday People 1,336,670
The Daily Telegraph 1,004,574
Daily Express 927,797
Sunday Express 862,030
The Sunday Telegraph 781,101
The Times 709,061
Sunday Mail 669,651
Daily Star 654,544
Daily Record 567,270
Financial Times 486,074
The Observer 453,827
Evening Standard 416,914
The Guardian 401,570
Independent on Sunday 232,006
The Independent 225,748
[Link: www.abc.org.uk...]

The Brit left is sinking lower and lower because it knows it is about to get whacked again, just like it did with Afghanistan - October 01: "Oh, stupid Americans! The Afghans will flay them! Oh, evil Americans, what about the refugees? There will be even more of them." January 02: "Umm."

Come on, when a Brit toad makes LGF on an angry day sound like a Buddhist meditation exercise, you must know you are winning.

As for you, toad, sod off, you effing wanker.

I'd recommend PJ O'Rourke's essay "In the Land of the Euroweenies," in his book Holidays in Hell, where he comments on EXACTLY the scenario that Hamilton proposes, and what the American response would be.

His rant at the end is simply classic. Will see if I can't dig it up somewhere.

#28 and #44: AFP just reported that in an attempt to avoid any possible conflict by dialoging, France has surrendered. The French government is now requesting that you two send them recordings of the "Star-Spangled Banner" for use in your victory parade. As I write this, thousands of old shellac records of "Das Lied der Deutschen" stored behind breakable glass next to fire hoses are quickly being removed.

Nothing cracks me up quite like Europeans whining about America not as a superpower but as a "hyperpower" since our military power is now so great that it can overwhelm the rest of the world combined. Let's see, our defense budget has been roughly constant in nominal terms since the early 1990s, and we are now spending 3% of GDP on defense, compared to 6% c. 1988. We have 10 active army divisions compared to 18 in 1991, and our navy barely totals 300 ships. And yet the EUrocrats claim that we have unprecedented power. That is funny. The share of our resources that we spend on defense is roughly comparable to the share of my day that I spend on the can. I wonder if they realize that if we were to mobilize to the extent we did during the Korean war, we would have a trillion dollar defense budget and 10 million men in uniform. Of course, if we were to mobilize WWII-style, we'd have a four trillion dollar defense budget and 30 million men in uniform. They are totally clueless.

to #54: But apart from Monty Python, what have the Britons ever done for us!

#General comment:
Sad truth though, having read the comments as a European (Dutch, hate being called European, it doesn't exist, full stop. Only in the minds of leftist bureaucrats who seek silent revenge for communism going down the toilet), you are far closer to the truth than you realize. Europe is run by do-gooders who depend on big governments to wipe their ass and call it progress. The cultural relativism here is huge, and though many of us were sincerely affected by what happened to our cousins in September of last year, it was flag waving from the side lines as far as the power brokers in governements all over Europe where concerned. They, very much like dictators in the Soviet Union, now in North Korea, and Cuba, fear the US.

Think about it.

They fear its true liberalism, they fear its sound constitution and the vigor with which it is defended. They fear the level of Democracy. In the words of Churchill, more or less: 'Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time.´

the scary thing is, more people with given power by their voters here think that deep down.

Keep it coming! These blogs, along with the great Best of the Web are my daily sources of inspiration to not fall over and do like the rest, accepting it and not second guessing it anymore.

A salute from Europe,
Vince

Despite the fact that this satire, this guy is obviously a moron. Several points:

1) Speaking as a member of the "Spanish speaking minority in the south" that guy is smoking crack. My dad was in Viet Nam, my grandfather in the Pacific in WWII. I'm as American as anyone else! Frankly this really bugged me!

2) Did anyone else notice that refers to Iran and Palestine as the worlds only Islamic democracies? What about Turkey? Or Indonesia? Granted the later is arguable it's still got a much stronger claim than either the Palestinian territories or Iran to "democracy" status!

3) the comments about democracy are too silly to respond to coming from the UK. Who elected Tony Blair??

The problem with Europe is that the vast majority of individualist thinkers voted with their feet and moved, leaving the entire continent to elitists with collectivist dreams.

Vince from Europe,

I'm glad to see there are people like you over there. Please try to get the rest of them in line....

Sometimes even satire has a way of showing the ugly veins of envy and jealousy running through the author's butt-cracks.. (ouch, bad metaphor day)

Vince -

As we like to say over here....

YOU DA MAN!

Stand tall, amigo.

Searching for that PJ O'Rourke article on Google leads to the following shocking revelation: Less than 300 instances of "euroweenie" OR "euroweenies" exist on the net! Pathetic! Bloggers must do their best to increase that number or the euroweenies will have won.

What a tool! We're going to take out Iraq and make the world safe for civilization despite the feeble scribblings of that craven twit.

Riverman:

The News of the World and The Sun were, I believe, the only two British newspapers to run the infamous photo of the Palestinian pressing his bloodied hands up against the window after butchering those poor Israeli reservists.

I'm sure the decision to publish this pic was made, in part, for the shock appeal but it took backbone nonetheless as the Palestinians had intimidated many news agencies into suppressing it.

It's comforting to know that at least 3-4 million Brits saw it.

I challenge this idiot to go to New Mexico and try to incite a rebellion in one of the Latino villages. The mere implication that Latinos are disloyal would get him beaten to a pulp.

Henry S:

I think you are wrong on who ran those horrid pictures (I think there were more who did, even Al Guardian on one of the last days I bought that POS), but you are right on backbone. Both are Murdoch papers as robust as the New York Post, especially the Sun.

In fact, a good Israeli friend over here never fails to remind me to read the Sun, which ran useful features last September, such as "The Terminator is Coming" on America's arsenal (numbers of this, that, and the other for blasting the enemy, if need be taking off from the US of A for the round trip) while Al Guardian and Co. were masturbating over the idea of GIs leaving their balls in Afghanistan.

When tabloids are right and Al Guardian is, well, Al Guardian, I know what time it is, just like Vince and a lot of other people here. Count on us and wish our people in mil and intel well, since most of them are on the US side and are just cursed with weenie bosses. And a rising tide of voters is working on those bosses, real hard. In Britain, the job has already been completed, provided Blair passes his autumn Al Guardian and trade union-induced Iraq wobbling test.

If socialism could have worked anywhere Israel was the place. Because socialism is just the institutionalization of Jewish ghetto culture.

The fact that it has failed in it's most recepive ground is a shock to the leftys.

Not too long ago, there was a movement afoot amongst conservative Republicans to offer the UK membership in NAFTA if they chose to pull a RIGHT turn away from full integration with Europe.

Phony Blair, of course, would never go for this and is steadily tilling towards the Euro which bodes ultimately, for the loss of British sovereignty.

Too bad. If only Maggie were still at the helm

After we're done liberating Iraq, et al, perhaps we could use a couple LGB's (Left-wing Guided Bombs) on the Independent, Guardian, et al.

Of course those numb-brains would never feel a thing anyway...let's not waste the bombs.

Having spent 4 wonderful years living in England, I'm an unabashed Anglophile. I never met anyone like this Adrian Hamilton during my time amongst the Brits. Moreover, I can't recall a single Brit who even read The Independent - including a close friend who was a student at Cambridge U. Trust me folks, Hamilton represents nothing more than a small but vocal minority in the U.K.

"I'd trade Ted Rall for Christopher Hitchens any day, AND I'd throw in Michael Moore, and some cash, too."

I'd like to add that the British are also free to keep Woody Harrelson* for as long as they want, and no, we do NOT want George Michael in exchange.

* The US shall not be liable for any injury or property damage associated with Mr. Harrelson. Mr. Harrelson is provided "as is", with no express or implied warranty. If you are not completely satisfied with Mr. Harrelson, there may be hope for you yet.

"The cheaper the hood, the gawdier the patter."

Sam Spade

Good to hear it, Mike Dogg. Let's keep our perspective, shall we good people? And ref: my gem of a post #47 ;-), the closer this pro-statist / anti anti-statist (i.e. anti-American) philosophy gets to the dustbin of history, the louder and more insufferable it's proponents will get.

Confident people, and nations, do not reply to the shrill by being shrill. They merely smile quietly and go about their business of re-making their world into a better place than they found it.

Let's live the confidence we have earned.

Mike:

I've been living in the UK for the last 8 years and my experience of the political and intellectual climate has been very different from yours.

There is a great deal of anti-Israeli sentiment from almost all quarters. This manifests itself prominently in academic circles, the press, and in Parliament (even amongst Jewish MPs).

Jack Straw in particular, is one of the worst offenders. Let's not forget his comments just after September 11 that Israel was to blame for terrorist attacks against it and his subsequent ass-kissing visit to Tehran.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

There are a lot of smart people in the UK but their genteel variety of anti-semitism drives me mad.

This dimbulb's feeble attempt at satire (oh, no, the Spanish speaking minorities are rising up!) reminds me of P.J.O'Rourke's brilliant piece "Among the Euro-weenies," written in the days after our raid on Libya. Some high minded British woman asked him what right the US had striking Libya "just because" they blew up an airliner. She said it would be like the UK attacking Irish-Americans for supporting the IRA.

Damn right, said O'Rouke. Any dumb mick who carried that stupid ancestral quarrel to the New World deserved to get a British laser guided bomb targeted on his south Boston pub. If the Brits had LGBs, and if they could launch a trans-Atlantic strike without US help, which they couldn't.

#66 "2) Did anyone else notice that refers to Iran and Palestine as the worlds only Islamic democracies? What about Turkey? Or Indonesia? Granted the later is arguable it's still got a much stronger claim than either the Palestinian territories or Iran to "democracy" status!"

The real problem with this reference is that one of them is NOT a country!

If we're not just counting countries, there have to be plenty of other democracies in the Islamic world -- Malasian stamp-collecting clubs, Jordanian almond-eaters associations, the Saudi wing of the Woody Allen fan club (well, maybe not, but the objection would not be to an older man marrying a much younger woman to whom he had a semi-familial relationship).

Al Independent represents, not the left, but the upper middle-class investor set, the Muslim oil-ticks who have settled in Britain and their sycophantic collaborators. Destroying a whole country, the United States, is simply a bold long-term strategy for improving the European corporate economy's competitive position.

The crack about stirring up a Latino revolt is very telling, for every literate person south of the Rio Grande knows that Euro-corps, allied with various Trotskyite NGOs, are actually the most ruthless exploiters and economic imperialists. They have moved in behind a smokescreen of anti-American media drivel, with the connivance of local agents who masquerade as activists and revolutionaries. Look at Cuba, look at investment and ownership rates in Venezuela and Ecuador.
Look at the salaries at Euro corp employees vs. their friends who work for American companies.
If the Euros see a Latino revolt, it will be far south of Texas and Arizona, and their own managers will be the targets.
BTW, isn't this Hamilton related to the general who screwed up the Gallipoli campaign, Sir Ian Hamilton? I mean, all these long-nosed aristocrats are related, aren't they?

#79I never met anyone like this Adrian Hamilton during my time amongst the Brits. Moreover, I can't recall a single Brit who even read The Independent - including a close friend who was a student at Cambridge U. Trust me folks, Hamilton represents nothing more than a small but vocal minority in the U.K.

The Independent has been on the verge of bankruptcy (not just the moral kind) for years. It's a fairly young newspaper - first printed in the 1980s. It was pretentious from the start.

The UK newspaper that really shocks me is a tabloid - The Mirror (circulation approx 2 million). It is nakedly anti-American and hates Israel more passionately than Hamas loves killing Jews. I am ashamed to say millions of Brits are anti-American and have fallen under the spell of the anti-Zionist (i.e. anti-Semitic) left.

The UKs biggest selling tabloid "The Sun" (3 million daily circulation) is pro-American and close to LGF position on Middle-East politics.

Ruprecht said,

"I hate to say it, because I love England, but the Europeans/UN would have trouble at this point conquering the US Virgin Islands let alone the Continental United States."

Ruprecht, we could defend the US Virgin Islands with just the sailors and Marines stationed in Puerto Rico. Since they've been getting hamstringed by all those "environmentalists" on Vieques Island, they will happy to have someone to bomb.

Here's the PJ O'Rourke rant you seek (apologies for any copyright violations)...it's obviously pre-9/11 but still spot on.

"Back in London, I was having dinner at the Groucho Club -- this week's in spot for what's left of Britain's lit glitz and nouveau riche -- when one more person started in on the Stars and Stripes. Eventually he got, as the Europeans always do, to the part about 'Your country's never been invaded.' (This fellow had been two during the Blitz, you see.) 'You don't know the horror, the suffering. You think war is...'

"I snapped.

"'A John Wayne movie,' I said. 'That's what you were going to say, wasn't it? We think war is a John Wayne movie. We think *life* is a John Wayne movie -- with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You're right. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They're *us*. WE BE BAD.

"' We're the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We're three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother's side. You take your Germany, France, and Spain, roll them all together and it wouldn't give us room to park our cars. We're the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d'Antibes. And we've got an American Express card credit limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.

"' You say our country's never been invaded? You're right, little buddy. Because I'd like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying "Cheerio." Hell can't hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer and buy more things than you know the names of. I'd rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than king, queen and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little countries like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.'

"Of course, this guy should have punched me. But this was Europe. He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile. (God, don't these people have *dentists*?)"

-- from _Holidays in Hell_, 1988.

The US never invaded? The Brits burned the White House down in 1814. Give us some credit where it is due.

Big deal. You had to start a battle to set fire to one ricketty old wood frame house almost two hundred years ago. Hell, we have people here who can do that in their sleep with one cigarette. You may have noticed we have built a new, improved White House since then. The only people with guts enough to try to do any damage to it since have been --- Americans.

Laurelin -

AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BY GOD IN HEAVEN I LOVE P.J. O'ROURKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, that is too funny. I'm weeping. Thanks for finding it.

Already posted similar comment to another site; sorry to repeat but...
Remember the scene in "Casablanca" on the street in Paris in which the Nazi is announcing (in an open car, through a bullhorn) that the Germans will be arriving the next day? The doomed populace pulls down their shades and considers a dim future with bad food (but fewer Jews...) I have lived my whole life in Louisiana and Texas, and if something like that happened where I come from, there wouldn't have been enough of the Nazi, the car or the loudspeaker to pick up with tweezers by the time the locals got through emptying their guns. So, Adrian's Army, please come to where I live first; we have an all-American welcome waiting for you.

Another scene from Casablanca is apropos here - in Rick's cafe, Major Strasser is trying to provoke Rick by asking him if he can imagine the German Army in New York. Rick responds, "Well, there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade." That was true for the Wehrmacht, and I suspect it would also apply to Mr. Hamilton's legions of toy soldiers.

WTF?

*slaps crackpipe outta Adrian Hamilton's hands*

Not all Brits are bad, though the good ones may be dying out. Here's a true story:

When I was 16, I took one of those EF trips to London. Riding on the Tube with two girlfriends, an old man approached us and asked if we were Americans. We said yes and he started talking about all sorts of things, including how he just got back from British Columbia after picking up his sister's body (I thought that was delightfully eccentrically British). As we arrived at our stop and were leaving the train, he said "Oh, by the way, thanks for your help in the two wars." We said you're welcome and went on. Now at 16, my first reaction was "what a nut", but looking back at it, it was perfect. I'll always like the British because of this one man and even jackasses like Hamilton won't change my mind. Of course, the day will come when the old generation is gone and who knows what will happen then.

If we're citing Casablanca, then of course the most important quote of all is this one:

Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?

Rick: I suppose I would, if I gave you any thought.

Mr. Hamilton, you just don't get it...you can HAVE Washington. As long as you take Congress with it and promise never to bring it back. The rest of the country will be even stronger than before (and more heavily armed).