The continued lapses in logic and contradications in the PLO propaganda machine are mind-boggling. I used to ask how they could keep all their rhetoric and lies straight, and lately it's become apparent... they can't.

The propagandist's answer - deny, inveigle, obfuscate...

What a bunch of assholes. I'm actually glad that these morons are going to have to live with these packs of human rottweilers somewhere down the line.

Yes, but the amazing thing is that nobody cares! They can't even keep their story straight, yet the media mindlessly reports the latest version.

This must be hardly surprising for The Guardian's Middle East Editor, Mr. Brian Whitaker. Why portray real life issues when you can have a ready taylored story which may be immensely more palatable to your (leftist) readers?

The statement said that there was "clear evidence that some photographers ware trying ... to mark the Palestinian struggle with terrorism." Reporters were also banned from photographing masked men.

Nope, wouldn't want to do that!

Of course left/socialists will condemn the U. S. and Israel for this negative propaganda. They will ignore that fact that, as Charles said, these photos were proudly displayed by the Palestininas themselves. And...

Children carrying weapons or dressed up as suicide bombers have been frequently seen at rallies and marches in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip during nearly two years of Palestinian-Israeli violence. Israel has charged that Palestinians are misusing children as pawns in the conflict;...

Since they are saying that this serves the interests of Israeli propaganda against the Palestinians, I wonder if perhaps the photographers will be shot as collaborators.

Todays JPOST:

Aug. 26, 2002
80,000 Palestinians emigrated from territories since beginning of year
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It would seem that the more the pals desecrate their environment with violence, poverty, and injustice, the more pals leave the territories.

Given their leadership, this dynamic is unlikely to change.

As well, as those with good judgement, seeking a better life depart, it leaves behind, or concentrates, the savage elements in their society, who act true to form, so creating a dynamic where ever more are induced to leave.

Awesome.

re#6
If they are leaving for Jordan their flags will still be good.

Palestine
[Link: www.theodora.com...]
Jordan
[Link: www.theodora.com...]

This is what really burns me:

"...a clear violation of the rights of children..."

Who the hell do these people think they're kidding? As if they treat their children with any respect! Half those kids would be taken away from their parents and put in foster homes if they lived in the US.

Given the previous history of threats against journalists who show the Palestinian cause in a negative light, (i.e. the Italian reporters who filmed the savage lynching of 2 Israeli soldiers, the thinly veiled threat against reporters who showed Palestinians celebrating the murder of over 3000 Americans on 9/11), I would not be surprised if the Palestinians try to violently target any journalists who show the brainwashing of their children to the rest of the world.

I guess if you can hide it from view, it must not be happening.

I liked the claim that photgraphing armed children lessens "the credibility of Palestinian journalists".

I recognize that slipping in the occasional truth is a potential setback for somebody who more normally traffics in lies and doesn't wat the truth known, but it doesn't really harm their credibility. Particularly considering that their credibility is already zero except with some brainless European reporters.

Most journalists who use material from Palestinian stringers I suspect know they are getting propaganda footage, but they need Palestinians to have access to Palestinian areas, so use the footage anyway without alerting their viewers.

I think we're all forgetting the real reason the Palestinians don't want their kids' pictures taken: they're afraid that the photographs will steal the childrens' souls.

This is, of course, different from their parents. By dressing their children like this and spoon-feeding them vicious hatred, the adults are showing that they never had souls to begin with.

#11, that's not quite right. Remember South Pacific. You have to be taught to hate, the soulless sociopathic condition that "palestinians" exhibit is learned behaviour.

Ha ha ha. Way to go, Charles. Thanks in part to you, the PA is going to be confiscating a lot of camcorders.

It'll never work, though. The Palestinians may have a 25% malnutrition rate, but every other one seems to be equipped with a digital camera. The pictures are going to keep coming.

Islamic radicals are a little schizo on this subject. On the one hand, they have an irresistable urge to brag, and to put on manly displays intended to frighten their enemies: "Pewish in your wage, you wascally wabbit!" Then along comes some Imam who studied Public Relations at UCLA and makes everybody knock it off.

(I read that during the Iran hostage crisis, the Iranian government asked people not to engage in public acts of self-flagellation, because Western news crews were starting to get such a kick out of it).

South Pacific was a movie. A work of fiction.

If you can cite South Pacific as proof that hate is a learned behavior, I can cite Lord of the Flies as proof that it is not.

haw.

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Ya know, after mulling over this for a few mins, i started to wonder.. If they are going to 'place a ban' on taking these kinds of pics, what kind of bans do they already have in place? How, exactly, are they gunna stop reporters from taking these pics?

#16,

1) By telling them they will not be allowed back into the PA to report.
2) By telling their news agency the whole agency will not be allowed into the PA.
3) By telling the reporter that he will be hunted down.

I think your question may have been rhetorical, but I'm sure they've tried all of the above (depending on how severe the "offense" was).

Guess these guys haven't gotten the memo yet.

'Course, that's the IDF website, so it's probably some Zionist plot. But it supposedly came from Reuters.

Via Rand Simberg.

Those photos are from the same pro-Saddam demonstration as this picture.

There's a fundamental flaw in the logic of everyone condemning these folks for their abhorrent behavior. But, wait, I can clear it all up! These people who're teaching their children that to kill civilians in the name of God is "holy" are not human at all. They're animals! See, now it all makes sense! Once you remove the pesky boundaries of morality from the scope of their actions, they're so much easier to understand as rabid animals! And as such, we really can't condemn them for their actions. They just don't know any better. Of course, the only responsible thing to do to a rabid animal is destroy it before it can harm anyone...

It is nice to know that Palestinians journalists have the same politics as American journalists.

It's also bad for children (from a palestinian view) because if you have to have a camera on you to take pictures there's JUST NO ROOM FOR EXTRA EXPLOSIVES. It's about time the grown-up palestinians understood the pressures of having the worst ammo'd backpack in school.

And..we can't have that "humiliation" can we?

It goes to show how debased the Palis have become and how much uncontrollable, vitriolic hate they have for the Jews.

Can you imagine how much international pressure they could bring to bear on Israel if they had the will and the savvy to tone down the medieval blood-lusting?

I mean just look at these idiot bedsheets linked in #18!

Re: #6. Pop quiz, everyone; the subject is Jordan. Ready?

1. When was Jordan founded?

2. What was it before?

3. Where is the Jordanian royal family from?

4. Conclusions re: transfer? Anyone? Anyone?

Oh, and for extra credit: If a Paleostinian child dresses up like a suicide bomber, but no one is allowed to publish photographs of the event, did it really happen?

Thanks, Charles. I looked on Reuters site, and couldn't find those pictures, and I didn't see a date on the IDF page. I wondered if they were old.

Just wondering....Is Reuters a member of the Palestinian journalists’ union? (rhetorical question)

RE #27 TeddyFlipped
Yes; my understanding is that Reuters has a branch or division that's trying to compete in that market; i.e., trying to compete for an international Arab-speaking audience along with BBC-Arabic language and Al-Jazeera, et al. As to what details may be involved in their arrangement, I couldn't say. But usually the custom in banana republics and straightforward dictatorships is that journalists must register with a centralized gov authority who must approve them and sort of license them before they are allowed to practise their profession. If they violate some rule their licenses are revoked, their permission to work is cancelled and/or they are expelled/deported or kicked out. And then they can deny access of some kind to their agency which could cripple the ability of Reuters to compete in that market (the Arabic-speaking audience or readers). In print, the dominant wire service seems to be Agence France Presse. If you read the English version of the Arab press you will frequently be reading wire copy from AFP.

With regard to the issue of these children, I believe these Arabs are still going to be violating the UN's Children's Bill of Rights. Just because their journalists' union is not going to be distributing the photos of the children does not stop the continuing violation of their rights. It's extremely disgraceful that the UN has not strongly and publicly condemned this.

foobar, #29:

No, you've got it backward. Photographing the little urchins chills their development, by subjecting them to Western criticism, and therefore amounts to a crime against humanity. Look for Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch -- which can't bestir themselves to utter even mechanical condemnations of Ikhlas Yassin's gruesome torture and murder -- to weigh in against the practice of photographing terrorists-in-the-making as a form of cultural genocide.

OK, class, time's up. (#6, 24, 25)

Answers:

1. 1928--never existed before. Created by the British.

2. Part of the region referred to as Palestine--actually the majority of the land.

3. Saudi Arabia. Splinter group of the House of Saud.

4. Transfer the Paleostinians' asses to Jordan--heck, it's their land.

5. Yeah, it still happened--but the UN and the rest of those moral equivalency junkies still won't care. It still gets back to what Golda Meir said so long ago:

"There will never be peace until the Palestinians love their children more than they hate the Jews."

Tragically, the gap between those two sentiments continues to widen.

Mommydoc,

You're sounding like M/ Maine... As for Jordan being Palestine, I agree.

Talking to a Jordanian in Aqaba, I asked him what he was (meaning Beduoin or "palestinian"). He replied "Jordanian". I asked him if he knew what "Jordan" meant. No he didn't. So I proceeded to tell him that in Hebrew "Jor" is descend from and "Dan" is the name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel .. and the name given to the river Dan where that tribe eventually settled. So calling himself a Jordanian is saying he's a descendent of one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
C.

I'm glad that while the Palestinian News (read: propoganda) Syndicate is defending the civil rights of children in a region without established civil rights. They are also defending the rights of adolescents, teens, and young adults, who all like to wear black balaclavas and carry around AK-47s and back-lot M-16s, because, well....if they were to accidentaly remove their balaclava while the media was still taking pictures then the
'acivists' would be unable to carry out their duties- a violation of a person's stated right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (martyrdom and attacks against the 'evil zionist occupation forces'), because Israel would take away all three, in no particular order.

Yes, by the superb logic of the previous paragraph, the western media should stop interviewing openly anti-Israeli-existence groups, since they put a bad slant on the 'struggle for independance and liberty.' After all, we all know that as soon as Israel leaves the PA alone, that they'll establish a USA-style bill of rights....like freedom of the press (well, maybe not that one)....or the right to a fair trial (or that one either)....or free speech against govenment policies and the right to vote for all citizens (well, neither of those either)..I KNOW!--> The right to bear arms! (that one cans stay)

Well, it looks like a bright future under the PA with all of 2 civil liberties (with restrictions), and at least a few of the rights of 1st-world citizens....

Israel sould just demand that all journalists be accompanied by Israeli soldiers while within the territory of Israel (W. Bank and all). And hey, if a few of the perspective interviewees are shot on sight by standing military order, well, I guess it is all to protect the rights of the Israeli government, because we all know that the media reports have tended to show the Israeli cause in a bad light....

I think that Israel should just bomb some of those rallies, declare that they had info that described the rallies as the convergence of an enemy force, preparing to invade, and, like the 'palestinians,' apologize quietly 5 mos. later. After all, all of the people in the crowd who were later ID'd as civilians were dressed in the uniforms of the enemy combatants, they all had weapons, and many of them had bombs (we didn't know that two of the 200 AK's were fakes or that the bombs were mostly fake....

I wonder how many houses in the 'refugee' camps would have secondary explosions (i.e. ammo and bomb components exploding) if a few dozen were randomly bombed...

BAH!
(if you want civil rights, join one of the democratic countries in the region with a constitution - Israel, or Israel's good buddy, Turkey)

RATZ

In continuation of # 32, I should have added for those who are not familiar with the geography of Israel, that the Dan River is one of the sources of the Jordan River.
C.

Charles:

"Those photos are from the same pro-Saddam demonstration as this picture. "

I notice that these pictures were obtained from Yahoo News. Charles, I'm urging everyone I know to please refrain as much as possible from using Yahoo. They have recently caved in to Chinese censorship. I have switched to NANDO.

Chuck D:

"These people who're teaching their children that to kill civilians in the name of God is "holy" are not human at all. They're animals! "

PETA lawyers will be contacting you soon. This is an ugly and completely undeserved slander of animals.

Given the big deal they made out of press restrictions in Jenin, you would have thought that Reporters Sans Frontal Lobes would have made a big deal about the Palestinian restrictions.

Instead... silence... mixed with healthy doses of Israel bashing...

[Link: www.rsf.fr...]

[Link: www.rsf.fr...]

I like this quote:

"The Israeli cameramen's union recently protested to the interior ministry about the large number of foreign cameramen employed by the international news media in Israeli, to the detriment of Israeli cameramen. At the same time, the international press agencies are obliged to use foreign cameramen to cover the West Bank and Gaza Strip. This is partly because Israeli journalists cannot go into these areas for security reasons. It is also because many Palestinian journalists, lacking press cards, cannot move freely between the different territories."

Ok. So RSF doesn't complain about the underlying 'security reasons' why the 'West Bank' must remain Judenrein. Instead, it complains that uncredentialled 'Palestinian' 'journalists' cannot move about freely (no doubt to engage in their 'militant' 'actions' against the 'occupation' or to spread their 'version of events' which may or may not have ever occurred).

Or perhaps you might want to read about the evil Zionists here [Link: www.rsf.fr...]

This time the Zionists are arresting 'Palestinian' 'journalists' who merely want to assist in the 'revolution'. How dare they stop these 'Palestinians' 'communicating'!

*Awwww.. but they look so cute dressed up like little suicide bombers*... such a shame to outlaw any photos of the little tykes...

What a society these people live in... to dress up their babies as murderers and then proudly show them off?? Backwards bunch a'morons.

There was an article in the Toronto Star some time back interviewing future suicide bombers... who were so proud to be wearing hockey-card-like photos of their favorite "martyrs" around their necks.. I don't think the link is still working. They were all planning to become "martyrs" themselves when they got older...
Sick sick sick society I tell ya.

Instead of getting accused of capitulating with Arafat's directive outright (which will be the anti-Semitic Reuters' motivation), they'll just claim it's a precautionary measure. They can hide beind the lawyers on this: it'll be to avoid lawsuits from the families of reporters or photographers that get lynched as a result of reporting the actual atrocities and repugnant activities done by Palestinians.

"Well, we told them to be careful... not a political decision or endorsement of that terror-regime at all..."

I'd be interested to know if AP and Reuters have issued any safety directives or cautionary memos to reporters and photographers in the West Bank and Gaza yet. Won't need to do it for the stringers in the area... they're nearly all Palestinians well versed in the propagandist campaign and will gladly comply for their beloved Abu and Intefadeh. (Until they are offered a lot more money for "banned" pictures and video, of course)

this site really is very sweet, watching you fat white trash pretend to be intellectual when your entire grasp of history is based on the Bible and your extraordinarily limited educations.

please, carry on..

xxx