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Michael B. Oren’s book Six Days of War has been universally acclaimed by reviewers as an exhaustively researched and definitive history of the 1967 Arab-Israel war. Former ambassador to Lebanon Richard B. Parker wrote:

This is a fascinating, comprehensive, and readable study of one of the major turning points in the history of the modern Middle East. The author is to be congratulated for the myriad details, many of them new, that he brings together and makes understandable. It is particularly useful for the insights it gives into attitudes and decisions of the parties, and it will become the standard work on the subject.

But there’s no fooling the laser-like intellect of Arab News editor John R. Bradley, who sees through this so-called “scholarly work,” this so-called “masterpiece,” revealing it for what it is: crude Zionist propaganda.

As Bradley reminded us when last he shared his wisdom with the “white trash” of LGF, he is the most enlightened, non-anti-Semitic British journalist ever to write for an Arab government-controlled newspaper. And the beginning of his pathetic attack on Oren’s book lets us know again that not only is he non-anti-Semitic, he has actually known Jewish people:

When I was an undergraduate I struck up a friendship with an American-Israeli who’d written asking if he could contribute articles to the London Quarterly, a cultural magazine I was editor of at the time. As well as subsequently publishing a number of his essays — on an emotional visit he’d made to Israel following the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, for example, and the Palestinian intellectual Edward Said’s Reith lectures — I settled into a weekly lunch routine with him.

I haven’t seen him for years, but I was recently reminded of Gur when reading the Israeli academic Michael B. Oren’s new book “Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East.” In particular, I recalled Gur’s perspective — or rather, his lack thereof — on the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Yes, even though “Gur” basked for a brief shining moment in the halo of John R. Bradley’s penetrating brilliance, he remained intransigent.

I was happy to publish Gur as a Jewish writer whose background was American-Israeli. What he had to say generally was intellectually and morally legitimate, and clever to boot. But the more I got to know him, and the more deeply we discussed Israel, the more I realized that, although generally a sensitive, intelligent and compassionate individual who could never be described as hawkish or hateful, he was simply incapable of criticizing the mythical Zionist version of Israel’s coming into existence in 1948. It was as though he became lost in a kind of ideological haze.

I think what Bradley is trying to say, if I may put words into his mouth, is that Jews have a fundamental flaw in their character that renders them irrational, even though they can sometimes appear clever. Yes, even his “old friend” and fellow writer “Gur” suffers from this flaw, a friend so close that Bradley doesn’t even mention his last name. (Wouldn’t want to leave any facts out there that could be, uh, checked.)

The purpose of this touching personal anecdote is to illustrate that Michael B. Oren, as a “Zionist” (that’s non-anti-Semitic talk for “Jew”) suffers from the same flaw.

Michael B. Oren’s “Six Days of War” has been massively reviewed and praised in the Western media and the author himself made an appearance on the Al-Jazeera satellite news channel. While Oren acknowledged in another interview with The Atlantic Monthly how, as “a Zionist”, he might lack objectivity, he added that he nevertheless “set out to write a thoroughly honest and dispassionate book.”

“Hah!” laughs John R. Bradley. “You’re all the same!”

In fact, Oren is rather like my old friend Gur, and like almost all other committed Zionists, in that his love for Israel is unconditional, blind and absolute. From the opening pages of “Six Days of War”, it’s obvious that this is little more than thinly veiled Zionist propaganda. The kind of ideological haze I observed engulfing my old friend Gur, whenever the events surrounding Israel’s founding came up, similarly chokes Oren.

By the way, as I write this I’m about halfway through Oren’s book, and it really is an impressive work—with sources and notes documenting every last detail. If the best type of propaganda is simple truth, well-researched and meticulously documented, then Bradley has a point. Six Days of War is great propaganda.

Bradley then engages in a frantic little bout of historical revisionism and outright fantasy, seasoned with slightly feverish anti-Zionism.

He claims the Arab Army in 1967 consisted of only about “20,000 men,” so the Israeli victory over them was “no big deal.” (According to Chaim Herzog’s 1982 book The Arab-Israeli Wars the Arab Army was approximately 250,000 strong, including 2,000 tanks and 700 aircraft.)

It isn’t long before the favorite equation of the non-anti-Semite makes an appearance: Zionism = Nazism.

...Zionism’s founder had famously declared long before settling on Israel that this “mere idea” led to him pondering whether even Argentina would serve as a base to establish a Jewish state. The Biblical context was dragged in later, when the early Zionists realized “Israel” could serve as a Western colonialist outpost. The Biblical myth was then successfully confused with the terrible consequences for Jews of the Holocaust, just when the Zionists themselves — we should remember — were behaving like fully-trained Nazis.

Yes, well, we should remember that, shouldn’t we?

Israel is a state that was born of terror. Not that you’d guess this from Oren’s account.

Are you getting the feeling that Bradley would only be happy if Oren changed the full title of his book to Six Days of War: Perpetrated by a Fully-Trained Nazi-Like State Born of Terror, Against Blameless Peaceful Arabs?

It just gets worse from there; here’s how he describes the events of 1948:

Actually, many if not most Arabs were forcibly driven off their historic land. Some 800,000 of the approximately 900,000 Palestinians who originally lived in the area that became Israel were forced to flee as a result of a systematic campaign of intimidation, massacres and internationally recognized ethnically-motivated mass expulsions. When the Jewish state was created, approximately 400 Palestinian towns and villages were depopulated by Jewish armed groups under the cover of the war, and were razed to the ground.

Oh yes! That pesky war—you mean the one that the Palestinian Arabs started the day after the Jewish state was recognized? The one that ended with Arabs having much less land than if they had agreed to the partition plan? You mean that war?

There’s not much meat in the rest of this pathetic hack job. He trots out the same old hackneyed quotes the non-anti-Semites always regurgitate to explain that Israel is hated for good reasons, and that Oren should have featured this point prominently in his book.

Oren’s intention, here as elsewhere, is clear: to show that Arabs hated Israel primarily because it represented a kind of “democratic, civilized ideal” that threatened the Arab world’s autocratic order. Arabs in fact hated, and still hate, Israel not because of anti-Semitism or because they can’t bring themselves to appreciate the virtues of democracy but because Israel has murdered their fellow Arabs in the tens of thousands and pillaged their villages and occupied their countries and later their Muslim and Christian holy sites.

What’s that, John? Arabs hate Israel? Do tell.

Before further exposure to this inane drivel rots my IQ, let’s skip to the end, where Bradley winds up with a helluva wacky one-two punch. First, the United Nations is soft on Israel:

Unsurprisingly, it turns out that Oren is well-trained in insidiously subverting the truth for ideological ends as former adviser to the Israeli delegation to the United Nations, an organization that has done its utmost over the past 50 years, at the behest of the United States, to ensure Israel gets away with its perpetual war crimes.

Amazing how, even while choking and lost in an ideological haze, well-trained Zionists like Oren can still focus on insidiously subverting the truth.

And I’m sure the editors of the New Republic will be rather surprised to see where the evanescent John R. Bradley places them on the American political spectrum:

Another quotation is from Martin Peretz, publisher of The New Republic, an ultra-right campaigning American political journal that has long been defined by its crude Zionist agenda.

Bradley, by the way, is still erroneously claiming authorship of The Lonely Planet Guide to Saudi Arabia, a book which does not exist. In truth, he wrote one chapter of a Lonely Planet guide to the Middle East. But playing fast and loose with the truth is a Bradley trademark.

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1 EW1(SG)  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:17:16am

Charles,

You are a national treasure--there is no way that I would ever have the intestinal fortitude to read Bradley first hand. Thank you for limiting my exposure to such foulness while keeping me apprised of its existence.

2 NC  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:41:58am

Any LGF readers finding themselves depressed by the powerful force of Bradley's argument might want to check out the following link. Mother and child, enjoying a sunny summer day together. Ahhh:

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

3 bargarz  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:44:26am

So John is harkening back to his salad days...

Judging from his past Lonely Planet and US college claims, this probably means he was actually enrolled for a single semester.

4 Dick Winnipeg  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:47:33am

I'm still not quite convinced Bradley is serious - is it possible the the Arab News is the Islamic equvalent of The Onion?

5 Peter  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:48:54am

It struck me, reading this post, that I used to think Bradley knew he was a mouthpiece for distored reality and simple lies. Then I started wondering if he really believed all the drivel he produces. Like a little boy still believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, Bradley believes in this myth of Arab innocence. When he was just a mouthpiece I almost hated him for his utter disregard for truth. Now, knowing that "Yes, Bradley, there is a Palestinian State" is his entire existence, all I feel is pity.

Sad little boy, did he never get the gifts he wanted for Christmas? Oh, right...no one's allowed to celebrate Christmas in Wahabbiville...then I guess Santa and the Bunny are toast too? And the Tooth Fairy? Saddam in a tutu, perhaps?

I think it's about time for Bradley to claim credit for The Lonely Planet Guide To Delusions of Grandeur.

6 m12edit  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:51:26am

I love how people take information, referenced and documented, proven accurate and merely dismiss it because it doesn't fit their personal agendas. How about providing referenced documentation for your contrarian point of view? What's that? You can't? I guess the only way to win an argument at that point is to be dismissive of the FACTS...

7 xavier  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:51:32am

Charles:
Brilliant work. My own critique just doesn't compare so I really appreciate your detailled critique of that bootlicking lapdog.
I suspect that Oren's book (haven't read it) must struck a damaged nerve if Bradley got uncaged from the kennel to sic Oren.
xavier

8 ploome  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:52:57am

has anyone figured out why 1 billion muslims are so preoccupied with Jews..?

9 ploome  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:54:42am

...and isnt the Arabnews lucky to have the only "reviewer" of Orens book, to see the "crude propaganda"...LOL

10 Lie-bot  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:59:33am

Not as yet. But I hear it's more like 1.2 billion muslims in the world, and they're getting bigger by something like 2.3% a year.. which is ofcourse a zionist ploy... they slip viagra into their drinking water.

11 Tyson  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:59:34am

Those 2,000 tanks were sold to the arabs by the u.s. Patton tanks to be exact. Those were the best tanks we had back then. Those who like to claim that it wasn't an equal fight can chew on that!

12 Wayne  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:00:04pm

I'm still laughing over that part about the Arab army only being 20,000 men ... so, uh, you know .. it wasn't that big of a deal that it only took about 5 minutes to kick the everloving stuffing out of us ... Zionist bastards. So NYAAA

Man, that is HILARIOUS!!


W.

13 Amy  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:08:03pm

Not to mention the fact that in 1948, the Brits not only left weapons for the Arab League to use (after having confiscated Jewish weapons at every opportunity), but a number of sympathetic British army officers openly helped the Arabs, planning strategy, leading units of Arab soldiers and otherwise giving the Arabs the benefit of their military expertise.

Anyone not up on this ear should read "O Jerusalem" by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre. It's one of the most unbiased accounts of how Israel came into being I've ever read, although I disagree with some things the authors say.

14 Amy  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:09:05pm

That should be " Anyone not up on this era..."

15 Robin Roberts  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:09:06pm

A 20,000 man arab army in 1967? That's pretty hilarious since the IDF captured nearly that many alone.

ROFL.

16 J Lichty  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:09:16pm

Wow, he acknowledges the Holocaust. He better get over to the Zayed Center for some re-education.

The sad thing is that I am sure most of the Arab world and probably a large portion of Europe believe Bradley.

I saw Oren on C-Span the other day and he was great.

I can't wait to read this book, especially now that Bradley has explained the real reason the Arab's hate Israel.

Perhaps he should start hating Syria and Jordan too, because they killed his Arab brothers. In fact more Arabs have been killed by other Arabs, by far, than Israel has.

17 Glen Wishard  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:09:23pm

And I’m sure the editors of the New Republic will be rather surprised to see where the evanescent John R. Bradley places them on the American political spectrum ... "an ultra-right campaigning American political journal that has long been defined by its crude Zionist agenda."

I once read a denunciation of the New Republic that used virtually the same words that Bradley uses -- it was in a piece from The Noam Chomsky Reader. On the dust cover of the very same book was an enthusiastic blurb praising Chomsky's book The New Mandarins, and the blurb was from --- The New Republic!

What was up with that, I wondered? Apparently a crude Zionist agenda is okay if it sells Chomsky's books. Maybe Chomsky himself is part of the crude Zionist agenda ... and if Chomsky is a crypto-Zionist tool, why not John R. Bradley, Robert Faurisson ... even the dreaded HRC herself?

18 Mookie Wilson  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:10:35pm

Excellent Fisking job, although Bradley is right about Israel being born of terror. Israel was born of the terror of invading Arab armies trying to destroy it in its first moments. I also think you must have left out the part where Bradley talks about the 600,000 Jews who were cruelly driven from their homes in the Arab countries, leaving behind all of their possessions. Today, this displacement is the cause of the Jewish Refugee Problem. Oh wait. I forgot. These refugees were absorbed by Israel and not left to fester for 50 years in squalid camps.

19 Dave  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:10:41pm

Not five minutes...six days. Still pretty bad, though.

Does anybody know if it's true that the 1967 War was/is celebrated in Egypt as a great victory? The person who told me this wasn't able to back it up. It wouldn't surprise me, of course, but I'd be interested if anybody knows any specifics.

20 NC  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:11:57pm

I'm with J Lichty. I had heard a little bit about this book before, but now that it's got the John R. Bradley seal of disapproval, I know I have to read it.

21 Cookie LaBomp  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:13:46pm

I find the 20,000 Arab men fighting in 1967 an absolute crock. Calling any Arab who supports the Palestinians a "man" is an insult that even the most ardent men-hating feminist wouldn't deign to use.

22 Dave D.  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:18:15pm

Geez Louise... today's been a day for eye-popping stupidity, that's for sure. First I read about the public-relations blitz the House of Saud is planning (I can't wait for the ads to air on TV; I'm sure they'll have the brilliant idea of airing them on 9/11), and now JB's characterization of TNR as an "ultra-right" Zionist propaganda rag. Lordy!

Who the hell do these people think they're kidding? Us? There's a tone-deafness here that I just can't fathom.

I used to have a neutral to slightly negative opinion of Saudi Arabia- until I started reading arabnews.com. It took about two weeks of reading their vile nonsense to convince me: these people aren't just part of the problem in the Middle East, they're the core of the problem.

Saudi Arabia is the hot, hard, swollen, pustulent center fueling the deadly infection known as radical Islam.

We're going to have to lance it.

23 Bill Allison  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:29:03pm

Great demolition, and I'm glad you got in the bit about the New Republic -- little did we know that Al Gore (which the magazine endorsed) was the ultra-right candidate in the 2000 election.

One thing I wasn't sure of (which I think we can attribute to the crystalline clarity of Bradley's prose) -- when I read the piece, I thought the 20,000 Arab soldiers referred to 1948, and not 1967. Does the "Context" chapter talk about the Six Days War, or the previous couple of decades?

Just curious.

24 PDM  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:33:12pm

Dave,

I heard a first hand Egyptian account that the 1967 war is in fact celebrated as a victory and taught in schools as such.

25 Haggai  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:33:12pm

Dave #19: In the C-SPAN interview that J. Lichty mentioned above, Michael Oren explained that the Arabs view the '67 War, the subsequent War of Attrition along the Suez Canal that lasted for the next three years, and the '73 Yom Kippur War as part of one big war. They see the '73 War as having restored Arab glory because they had success early on in the fighting and punctured the Israeli myth of invincibility, even though by actual military standards (imagine measuring the success of a war that way) the Arabs lost that one as well. That might be what led your acquaintance to claim that Egypt sees the '67 War as a victory. In and of itself, that statement is false, but in general Arab view of things they don't see the whole thing as a defeat. Here's the Oren interview:

[Link: www.booknotes.org...]

26 Junior  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:35:55pm

I think Johnny Boy forgot to mention that he is the world's biggest douche bag

27 Dave  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:46:52pm

Thanks, Haggai!

I did a little more internet research on this Egyptian "victory." Apparently, the "October" War--I guess calling it The Yom Kippour War makes it sound too, well, Jewish--was the culiminating victory, worthy of its own museum (I would add an exclamation point, but who's surprised at this Orwellian view of history?). This webpage is courtesy of the Egyptian State Information Service (seriously).

http://www.sis.gov.eg/egyptinf/culture/html/pano00 1.htm

28 Nikita  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:49:07pm

regarding the Jewish refugees from Arab countries, here's a good source:
[Link: www.jimena-justice.org...]

29 Robin Roberts  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:50:27pm

If only the IDF had reached Cairo, the '73 War would have been an even larger victory for the Arabs.

30 Glen Wishard  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:55:39pm

Bill Allison wrote:

-- when I read the piece, I thought the 20,000 Arab soldiers referred to 1948, and not 1967.

No, Bradley does mean 1967. Even more laughable is the reasoning he gives for this low figure -- he says most of the Arab armies had to be kept at home due to political instability!

What instability? After weeks of promising Egyptian militants all the Jewish blood they could drink, was Nasser in danger of being drowned in drool? Were his adoring mobs threatening to pelt him to death with panties? He needed seven infantry divisions to keep the fans away from his limousine?

And since when is Cairo located in the eastern Sinai? That's where some 80,000 Egyptian troops were on June 6th, 1967. There must have been some pretty stupendous "political instability" going on, somewhere out in the sand dunes.

31 PDM  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:56:25pm

I think that in the Arab view defeat is too shameful. So it ia more likely that battles are either viewed as a victory or still pending.

NC,
That photo really needed a modification.
[Link: vinylfrontier.com...]

32 Swiftsure  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:58:26pm

'Tis well that spirits are verboten in Saudi Arabia, can anyone imagine what Bradley would be like in a drunken rage? T'would seem that those long walks along the conriche in Jedda have'nt cleared poor young Bradley's his mind.

However, the great tragedy is that most journalists, as the "massacre" in Jenin has shown us, are made of much of the same cloth as our friend Mr. Bradley.

33 Survivor of Attack on the Pentagon  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 12:58:40pm

Bradley may be angered that Oren recieved unprecedented acess to Egyptian, Jordanian and even Syrian documents and interviews with the surviving officials of the Six Day War from these countries. He also may be angered that some Arab scholars have praised Oren's book. (I may be wrong on this I think I saw some favorable comments from Arab historians on the back cover. I will check my copy when I get home this evening.) It really must drive Bradley up the wall to be so discredited as he is! Sadly he picked the wrong generation to try and play an updated Lawrence of Arabia!
I second Lichty's comment in #16. Oren' s interview on C-Span's Booknotes was fantastic. I have rarely seen such an interesting interview. I have never before seen Booknotes Brian Lamb, the reincarnation of Det. Joe Friday( Just the Facts, Maam), so totally thrown off balance by the person he was interviewing. Oren talking about his background and his book was full of suprising new details about the twists and turns that led to the Six Day War and the War itself. I can not wait to start reading Oren's book.

34 Lee  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:07:37pm

I hope Mr. Bradley has his bags packed, and his escape plan laid out, when the Saudi's bite the big one. If not, I'm sure his head would look good on a pike.

35 leslie  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:07:55pm

Seeing how the Arabs are perfectly capable of massive self-delusion as to their " successes" why don't the Bradley's and other Arab opinion makers
just tell their readers that the great Arab military machine and warrior prowess has won and Israel has disappeared. It wouldn't be much more untruthful than the regular "Arab News" propaganda, but at least all their problems would be solved.

36 Dean Douthat  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:17:17pm

Can any Arabic speakers translate the "Islamic saying" on the headbands in the link of #2?

37 Glen Wishard  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:18:21pm

I haven't read Oren's book, but it would be interesting to know if he discusses the Arab efforts to "spin" the Six Day War in its immediate aftermath.

According to Chaim Herzog, Nasser tried to claim at first that the devastating airstrikes of June 5th were carried out by US and/or British planes. By blaming the US, Nasser could wipe off some of the shame of his defeat. According to Herzog, this effort was ruined when Nasser stupidly discussed it over the phone with King Hussein. Israeli wiretappers recorded and publicized the conversation.

38 ken  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:18:57pm

It says " Made in Taiwan "

39 ploome  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:22:58pm

#27...LOL

[Link: www.sis.gov.eg...]

"Plans of the October War"...now i understand it...its as clear as mud...

40 ploome  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 1:56:57pm

Haggai #25...from your fab link...

"It's a causes belly, a reason for going to war."

nice to see someone spells like I do...LOL

41 h-man  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 2:02:32pm

i read this book some time ago and i highly recommend it to all - it reads like a clancy novel but much better - absolutely outstanding factual account of not just the 67 war but a lot of the middle east and israeli history

42 Wilde  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 2:04:11pm

Not that your fisking of this article isn't superb, but I grow tired of reading about the dim-witted Englishman turned Arab, John R. Bradley.

I am now officially apprised of the bias over at ArabNews (as if their name alone didn't give it away) can you now direct your talents in another direction?

I hope I am not being terribly unfair; I know how much you enjoy revealing the mistakes and bias demonstrated by Bradley, but really it's beneath you and far too easy to accomplish.

It must feel somedays like you are fighting with the proverbial one-armed man.

Anyhow, it's not your writing but John R. Bradley that annoys me.

43 Damian Penny  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 2:31:18pm

#34: I hope Mr. Bradley has his bags packed, and his escape plan laid out, when the Saudi's bite the big one.

I'm gonna hate myself for saying this, but...I hope he doesn't.

44 Jonathan  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 2:52:59pm

I'm dumbfounded. How blatantly unjournalistic can someone be. Here is Bradley interviewing a Saudi princess, reporting that she lied to the NYTimes but in his presence feels a sense of trust and admits to the fact (that 15 Saudis perpetrated 9/11). Read below his interpretation of this. Unbelievable:

Just an hour earlier, I had witnessed Reem and her companions refuse to admit to the visiting New York Times journalist that 15 of the hijackers were certainly Saudis. Now here she was, openly admitting to me that in fact they in all probability were. Presumably, the trust was there because she had read a number of my previous articles, and felt confident that I was unlikely to write yet another hatchet job on the Kingdom.!!??!?!??!

here is the link - [Link: www.arabnews.com...]

45 Donna V.  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 2:56:51pm

I suspect Johnny's friend "Gur" is like my niece's friend Molly, whom nobody else can see or hear.

Come now, what would a committed Zionist be doing hanging with Bradley? How could any self-respecting Jew make it through lunch with Bradley week after week without vomiting?

Adam Shapiro's a different matter. I can see the two of them hootin' and hollerin' away at the monster truck show.

46 mommydoc  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 3:05:29pm

Dean (#36) I think it says, "Help! I'm being held prisoner against my will!"

But then again, you know how weak my Arabic is;-)

47 Steve C.  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 3:30:14pm

I've read Oren's book, and it's an absolutely fantastic read. Bradley's lies and distortions in his "review" are just outrageous, especially given how meticulously documented all of Oren's sources are.

The impression I got from the book is that the Arabs more or less admit that they were beaten in 1967. It would have been hard for even the most ideologically blinded (at least in Egypt) to miss the tens of thousands of Egyptian troops fleeing in terror in the face of the Israeli advance.

48 Wind Rider  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 4:08:48pm

Found this article via a link in The Corner at NRO, from Jonah Goldberg. Pretty good viewpoint that addresses some of the speculation of why the Arabs won't admit to getting an @$$ whoopin (a trait the Egyptians seem to share with Bubba Hussein vis-a-vis his account of the outcome of the 'mother of all battles')

Check it out Here

49 Wind Rider  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 4:11:16pm

ahhh, ummm, oops - guess what Charles's next article is all about...

50 Riverman  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 4:54:20pm

Dear Mr Bradley:

I am so sorry to see your fine work face criticism. Yes, criticism is an evil thing, best beheaded.

Yours, beheader

Ha ha ha! One of the best threads this week. LOL hits the Corniche!

51 lewisinnyc  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 5:19:35pm

I believe the Hamas motto is 'Islam huwa al-hall' (Islam is the solution)...

If Islam means peace, these people must be the ultimate in peaceniks, eh... along with Messrs Shapiro, Arafat et al...

These are just Islamic hippies, chanting:
"All we are saying, is give peace a chance..."

I'll now remove my tongue from my cheek...

52 Athos  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 5:51:42pm

Yet again, Bradley is suffering from delusions of adequacy. But then, as he is a legend in his own mind, maybe he is just trying to compensate for other shortcomings.

53 Mazhar of Allah  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 5:56:43pm

I am still waiting to see a photograph of Bradley.

54 Bill Allison  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 6:48:05pm

Glen,

Thanks for clearing that up. I haven't read Oren's book either, although I'll add it to the ever-growing reading list.

As I said, it's Bradley's poor prose that led to my confusion on whether he was talking '48 or '67.

Either way, 20,000 is ridiculously low number (the lowest figure I've seen for the '48 war is 30,000 Arab soldiers, plus irregulars, and that's provided by a Palestinian site).

55 alexbmn  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 9:32:28pm

had the USSR not interferred Israel would have crushed the encircled Egyptian 3rd army and would a have a free martch into Cairo.

56 alexbmn  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 9:34:09pm

according to the History Channel documentary on the Six Day war the Arab Armies combined had half a million troups.

57 Ratz  Thu, Aug 29, 2002 11:25:52pm

THANK YOU CHARLES!!!
nothing else to say.
well, almost:
Notice how in the museum photos of the 'October War' the war is never shown as ending, nor is there any mention of what happens immediately after those towns were 'liberated' (they were conquered back as the troops were wiped out).

-Ratz

58 Kolya  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 1:33:26am

Wilde (#42):

Not that your fisking of this article isn't superb, but I grow tired of reading about the dim-witted Englishman turned Arab, John R. Bradley.

Bradley deserves to be monitored, and periodically Fisked, because he is a barometer of what passes for respectable opinion among the ruling class of Saudi Arabia, and what passes for intelligent argument among Idiotarians.

Disseminating this knowledge in the West is of paramount importance in winning the moral argument, which is of paramount importance in buttressing the political resolve to defeat this evil.

Responding to this invaluable work with boredom, is suggestive of a failure to understand what is at stake.

59 Claudia  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 2:14:16am

ploome # 8 "has anyone figured out why 1 billion muslims are so preoccupied with Jews..?"

Brings to mind the old story of the gypsy who becomes king. The first thing he does if kill his mother.
C.

60 lewisinnyc  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 2:40:05am

I thought that I would fact check Mr Bradley about the appearance of 'Gur' in the 'London Quarterly'. A quick internet search found that the 'London Quarterly' is about as ubiquitous as the Lonely Planet Guide to Saudi Arabia.

In fact, the only reference I could find to the 'London Quarterly' was in the article below by a Mr Bradley... The article also explains why Bradley, who was destined to be the next Wordsworth or Henry James ended up working for that lauded periodical 'Arab News'.

[Link: www.unc.edu...]

61 Wayne  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 2:56:04am

re: Egypt celebrating the 1967 war as a victory:

That sort of reminds me of the time I saw a British comedian in one of the comedy clubs here in the area. He was joking about Americans and how one day one of us went up to him and asked, "Do you guys celebrate the 4th fo July in Britain?"

He said, "um ... well, I think we lost that one there. Yea, we go around kicking each other in the bums saying, 'you bloody idiot.'"

fitting, eh?

W.

62 ishouldpicanick  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 10:21:01am

#44

Guess the saudi rulers did not like that article. cuz its gone.

63 J Lichty  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 10:33:51am

Here is another interesting article re Oren's book at Haaretz.

I guess they can't keep this book on the shelves.

Here is the kicker. There is going to be a Miramax movie based on this book. Not on some revisionist jew-haters book, this book. Cheney is reading it now.

Score one for the truth.

64 Swiftsure  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 12:12:27pm

Lewisinnyc,

Thank you for the illuminating link and the personal insight into the august Mr. Bradley! What confounds me is that NOW he's no longer an American, but and Englishman, AND AN OXFORD GRADUATE AS WELL! The man's biography changes with the drifting dunes of the desert, t'would seem.

What next? A peerage?? Perhaps...Lord Bradley, 1st Lord of Fartknocker, Dorkmiester of the Burning Sands and Corniche of Jedda?

65 mommydoc  Fri, Aug 30, 2002 11:16:59pm

Athos (#52) and Wayne (#61) LOL!

lewisinnyc (#60)--which part explains it? His atrocious--and self-absorbed--writing style--or--his malaprops--such as "somewhat tampered [sic]by the fact..."--his horrendous puctuation--or his green-eyed putdown of Matthew Sweet's literary success--using limited vocabulary (count the uses of "opportunistic")--while he was destined to be a "natural-born editor.”

I'm especially intrigued about the fact that 2 of his 3 books on Henry James (and I think he actually only edited one of them) focus on James' supposed homosexuality? Who cares?

I like the part where Bradley quotes the description of himself by Karl Miller as "more will be heard, I’m sure, of the arresting John R. Bradley." Yup. More is indeed heard; he should be arressted.

66 A. van Hilten  Tue, Sep 3, 2002 4:37:45pm

There is going to be a Miramax movie based on this book.

So what? Most Arab countries will ban the screening of the film. It will never find its way to the Middle East movie theaters. Just more zionist propaganda, just like they banned Schindler's List in Jordan. I think they haven't seen the likes of it in Malaysia, either. So it's not only the Arabs who happen to find this too explicit a story about the Jews and the Holocaust:

The film has received critical acclaim internationally. Jordanian officials are considering banning theaters from showing the film. "If it is totally designed to show sympathy to the Jews, we will not allow it in because of the current situation after the Hebron massacre," said a member of Jordan's committee that authorizes the screening of new films. "How can we expect our people to show sympathy to the Jews if the Jews are not showing any sympathy to the Arabs?" he asked.

And in case you are wondering whether they banned it or not, they just let time pass by:

The movie was indeed banned in Malaysia and the Philippines, and effectively banned in Lebanon and Jordan. (Skeptic magazine, vol. 2, no. 4, p. 67.)

[Link: www.nizkor.org...]


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