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Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 11:05:34 am PDT

The Swedish security police seem to be trying to play down the attempted hijacking incident, at a “politically sensitive time.”

Margareta Linderoth, a Sapo official responsible for several departments including the one handling international terrorism, denied that police believed the arrested man was planning to attack an embassy or that four more men were being sought.

“I have never heard that the man has planned to do what you say he has,” she told Reuters. “We are not looking for four other men.”

Linderoth told Swedish radio that the suspect had taken flying lessons in the United States but had not completed his training. It was possible he had qualified since then, she said.

Another Sapo source told Reuters the security police were working on the theory that the group were planning to crash at least one plane, and possibly more, into a U.S. embassy. They did not know which embassy had been targeted.

An LGF reader emailed us with many details we haven’t read elsewhere; following are his translations from Aftonbladet articles.

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Following Reuters’ earlier report quoting a security official from SÄPO confirming Chatty’s intention to crash the plane into a US Embassy, the SÄPO Security Service’s Head of Counter-Terrorism, Margareta Linderoth denies that the agency has any such information, in an interview with Swedish radio.

- “The suspect has not made the kind of confessions regarding any intention to crash into a US Embassy that Reuters is reporting”, she said.

The Counter-Terrorism chief created an uproar in Sweden last year, when she said she could “understand Swedish Muslims who go to training camps in Afghanistan, as they are merely fighting for what they believe in”.

Asked to confirm statements from British police to the effect that British anti-terrorism expertise had been sent to Sweden to assist in the investigations of the hijacking attempt, Mrs. Linderoth denied, saying the Scotland Yard was not needed.

- “We’re handling this ourselves”.

Link.

Despite Mrs. Linderoth’s sudden retractions, American embassies in Europe were put on alert, and French media highlighted the fact that Kerim Chatty had close links to the Shoe-Bomber, Richard Reid. Both are members of the puritan Islamic so-called Salafi Movement ( the doctrine of which the 9/11 hijackers, the notorious British Islamic group Al Mujahiroun and the arrested European al-Qaida suspects also adhered to).

Meanwhile, John Trautman of the North American Institute of Aviation (NAIA) revealed to Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet that Kerim Chatty had been a student at the South Carolina Conway Flight School (1700 Airport Road in Conway, South Carolina) between September 1996 and June of 1997.

He was training to become a pilot of smaller planes, but NAIA says it is probable he is able to command bigger aircraft as well.

Link.
Link.

Involved with the Yugoslav mafia in Stockholm, working with Dragan Joksovic who was murdered in 1998, Kerim Chatty was armed like a small army. In 1998, police found automatic weapons, silencers and machine guns in his car.

Kerim Chatty’s friends say he became deeply religious in recent years and stopped drinking, went to the Stockholm mosque and let his beard grow.

Checked by highway police in 1999, he told the officers he had stopped making trouble, and had committed to praying five times a day.

In 2000, the once amateur actor considered emigrating to Saudi-Arabia or Yemen to study.

Directly after the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, he traveled on a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Link.

(In the link above, see image of battered American marine, and murdered mafia colleague.)

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1 Wind Rider  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 9:37:07am

Now, lets see if we got all this. Associated with guy who tried to blow up airliner with shoebomb. Check. Followed same philisophical bent as the Sept 11 bunch. Check. Took flying lessons just like the Sept 11 bunch. Check. Previously involved with underworld before 'religious conversion'. Check.
Maybe the next 'check' should be how many times Linderoth has visited the evidence locker where they keep all the confiscated hallucinogens...and a thourough audit of the crack on hand wouldn't be a bad idea, either. Wonder if the FBI considered bringing her massive analytical talents to bear in helping them ferret out the 'motivations' in the LAX shooting incident?

2 R. McLeod  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 9:58:38am

Interesting aspect of the case: how does this guy get a South Carolina driver's license with the address of the flight school as his home address?

Anyone know the DMV laws in SC? Sounds very weird.

BTW: where are those Islamofascist loudmouths from the UK who yesterday were screaming bloody murder about racial profiling? Remember that, how indignant they were that the Swedish authorities detained and questioned the other 20 Muslims who were with this guy and taking the same flight?

I'm not too concerned about the top cop's "denial" that this is terror-related. It means nothing at this point in an investigation.

3 Ratz  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:08:54am

Wind Rider, you're missing the essential point, that DESPITE all of those facts and the fact that he had a gun that was clearly intentionally hidden and meant for use (I am sure that most gun advocates can tell you that it's not a good idea to leave the bullets loaded in your gun when it's not in use, especially when it is being carried in luggage...), and that all of the rest of Europe has treated it like a terrorist incident, It has nothing to do with terrorism. After all, that's why they're not holding him, right? oh, They ARE holding him? Why in hell would they be doing that?

Politics and justice don't mix well (i.e. a counter-terrorism chief sympathizing with, get this, self-declared terrorist leaders). So the Swedes are gonna brush terrorism aside because any mention of terrorists being a) In Sweden b)'of Arab descent' and c)planning attacks to be launched from in-country will mean that the current administration will loose in elections?

The europeans need to get the idea that, in a democracy, sometimes you have to change your points of view or risk being replaced by someone who HAS. For once there is a terrorist cover-up worthy of real exploration.

-Ratz

4 Robert Crawford  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:11:16am
Directly after the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, he traveled on a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Where he no doubt volunteered to carry out a similar mission.

5 Dean Douthat  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:17:58am

Question:

Is "Salafi" the same thing as "Wahabbism"?

6 Angie Schultz  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:19:30am

"I have never heard that the man has planned to do what you say he has," she told Reuters. "We are not looking for four other men."

These are not the droids you're looking for.

You can go about your business.

Move along.

7 Joel Rosenberg  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:19:47am

First approximation: It's Al Qaeda's B-team again, just like the Shoeabomber.

8 Joel in Honolulu  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:35:27am

Dean,

Yes, I think Salafi is the Saudi-preferred term for what most of us infidels call Wahhabi doctrine.

Joel

9 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:39:48am

You guys are missing the context. We have to deconstruct the concept of terrorism in this case, because in the Salafi tradition, being armed on commercial jetliners is a pillar of the faith, and to deny him his right to freedom of expression in an appropriate multicultural, transnational, but never global, manner would be the most foul sort of racism.

Hey, I can speak a new language!

10 Joel Rosenberg  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 10:44:45am

Is "Salafi" the same thing as "Wahabbism"?

Yes. It's the term preferred by Wahabbis, much in the same way that Muslims prefer the term "Muslim" to "Mohammedan".

11 Ken Summers  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 11:06:59am

Or how Muslims prefer "Muslim" to "ignorant, scumball Jew-killers". At least, I think they prefer it.

But the lady is, of course, right. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, that's no reason to jump to simplistic conclusions.

12 Steven Kite  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 11:13:14am

I hate to say this as my wife's grandparents immigrated from Sweeden but if Sweeden is going to act like they did during the Vietnam War then we have to treat them like the money.

13 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 11:16:06am

On BBC World TV right now, a story about Kerim Chatty's background!

14 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 12:20:56pm

Here's a short background on the hysterical SÄPO Security Service's Head of Counter-Terrorism, Margareta Linderoth, who created an uproar in Sweden last year, when she said she could "understand Swedish Muslims who go to training camps in Afghanistan, as they are merely fighting for what they believe in".

(All internet links are in Swedish, mainly as proof for people LGF reader who speak Swedish).

Here is some of her sloppy work:

In January of 2001 she was interviewed about a suspected restaurant in Stockholm that was thought to act as a cover for the Irish terrorist organisation IRA.

A friend of the man running the place was later sentenced for murdering a police officer in Northern Ireland.

When asked about the tip regarding the suspected Stockholm base of IRA, Margareta Lindroth could not confirm the information.

"Most international terrorist organisations are represented in Sweden", Mrs Lindberg, who's responsibility it is to fight terror in Sweden answered Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.

[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

In a similar inability to explain the terrorist upsurge in Sweden, Margareta Lindroth was at lost when in October of 1999, suspected Neo-Nazi groups bombed the offices of a left-wing syndicalist group.

Despite admitting to having received prior warnings of a possible attack, Lindroth explained that it's alway "difficult to prevent crime, even though that is our goal".

A ricing wave of attacks committed by extreme groups had raised demands for a ban on Racist or Neo-Nazi groups. When asked to comment, Linderoth said it's impossible to tell people what their ideology should be.

In an article, Margareta Linderoth says that in no other country, neo-Nazi groups had been able to establish themselves as thoroughly as in Sweden and using unprecedented violence. When asked, she had no idea as to why that was the case.

"-If only I knew", the most supreme Counter-Terrorist official was quoted by Swedish News Agency TT as saying.

[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

When a left-wing activist, named Björn Söderberg, was shot to death by a group of skin-head Neo-Nazis in Sweden, followed soon after by Neo-Nazi car bombing intended to kill two Swedish journalists, Margareta Lindroth had this comment:

"- These right-wing groups [sic] do not constitute a threat to society. They are not powerful enough to make a revolution".

While scoring success in one recent incident when two Palestinian Arabs asking for asylum were detained for connections to Hamas in June...

[Link: se.news.yahoo.com...]

...Mrs. Linderoth has mostly continued her bungling attempts to excuse her inability to counter the terrorism she is payed to do.

In October of 2001, a letter containing a suspicious powder (similar to the Anthrax letters) was sent to the Swedish Prime Minister.

The SÄPO anti-terrorism head, however, didn't consider this to be a compelling reasons to increase protection of government ministers. Swedish television quoted her as saying that the goal of terrorism is to scare people, and "I certainly don't want to be contributing to that".

[Link: www.svt.se...]

In preparation for the EU held its summit in Göteborg, that became notorious for the violent clashes that erupted between police and left-wing demonstrators, where one violent protester was shot by Swedish police and the main street of the city was ransacked, Linderoth was asked about the threat from right-wing extremists.

She answered she didn't beleive the threat was significant. "-They won't dare come out in the streets with all these left-wing protesters scheduled to demonstrate".

The EU summit violence in Göteborg cost the city several 100's of millions of dollars in damages, insurance costs and legal suits.

Some two weeks after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the US, Linderoth was asked about Swedish Muslims going to train in terrorist camps in Afghanistan.

"-We know of several Swedes who have been to training camps in Afghanistan", she said to Swedish conservative newspaper Svenska Dagbladet.

"-Anyone has a right to fight for what he or she beleives in", she added in an astonishing defense of the terrorists she is supposed to track and incarcerate.

The newspaper journalist asked if she considered it to be a problem that those people come back to Sweden and might try to act here.

"- Well, perhaps, I guess", she admitted.

The newspaper asked Linderoth to comment on the then recently revealed e-mail list serving to recruit Islamic fighters in Sweden.

The counter-terrorism chief of the Swedish Secret Police SÄPO stated she had only read about it in the press, but said that she wouldn't be surprised if such a list existed.

[Link: www.svd.se...]

For how long are we Swedes supposed to jeopardize the security of our country and citizens, as well as destroying the international fight against terrorism, having to rely on the sloppy bungling and incompetence of this Mrs Linderoth?!

Today, I bet the reason she is being snotty at journalists and rejecting earlier statements by her colleagues pertaining to the intents of Kerim Chatty is, she realized that simple X-ray machine operators at a provincial airport managed to stop a known Islamic criminal from hijacking a plane, without her being aware or knowing what happened.

15 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 12:42:20pm

Viking (#14) Great post. I agree with your conclusion re: her motivation. Is this the same chick who excused Islamist men raping Scandinavian women by blaming the victims for their lack of cultural sensitivity? Or was that Denmark?

She's beyond incompetent.How does she keep her job? Must be blond. (Apologies in advance for the inherent insensitivity of that racist statement. It was a metaphor. And chances are good--after all, it's Sweden, for god's sake. Where do you think Swedish blondes come from?) ;-D

16 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 1:28:52pm


:-) Thanks Mommydoc #15,

Well, violent crime and sexual assault originating in the immigrant community are huge problems in both countries actually (and are publicly discussed).

However, the so-called "honour killings" are a phenomenon that has struck Sweden in particular. You might have heard of several cases (mentioned on CNN), most recently that of Fatima, who was killed by her father for having adopted a "decadent Swedish lifestile", i.e. seeing boys without accompanying uncle.

Swedish Authorities (although not Linderoth for once) claimed that this is "not an Islamic phenomenon", but a "cultural" one. (Try and understand the difference if you can).

This was in the midst of fears of anti-Muslim tensions following September 11.

As regards our dear Counter-Espionage Queen Margareta Linderoth, I've been trying to find a photo of her on the web, but I guess she went undercover...

If my memory is right, she's ugly and not blond...

17 Raoul Ortega  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:01:50pm
"Swedish Authorities (although not Linderoth for once) claimed that this is "not an Islamic phenomenon", but a "cultural" one. (Try and understand the difference if you can)."

Actually, I can. The problem is that far to many Western intellectual elites can't get through their tolerantly opened minds that Islam is a culture, not just a religion. They keep trying to equate Islam with a multicultural religion like Christianity or Buddhism.

Islam is an imperialist culture, also, imposing itself on others, whether they like it or not, even if it doesn't make sense in the new context. To a Muslim, tolerance means that I have to permit them to practice unimpeded, but they don't have to reciprocate, even when they are a recently imported minority.

So you get the cases in Scandinavia where it's Norwegian women's fault that Muslim men are raping them. In order to tolerate newcomers from the Islamic culture, the indigenous culture must change.

Multiculturalism is being exposed for the hollow shell its always been, because it operated on the assumption that all cultures think alike. That's a contradiction they've been ignoring for too long, and the Muslims are using it to their advantage.

18 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:05:01pm

Vik (#16)
"If my memory is right, she's ugly and not blond... "


More's the pity. So how the hell does she keep her job?

19 Ratz  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:17:54pm

Viking (#14),
You indicate that you are Swedish, so I'll accept you as an authority on this matter; How was this lady brought into office? Has she had any previous military or intelligence service background? If she is a part of the current government, then the people need to get a replacement. I thought that the CIA and FBI were bad, but at least they act on what they do know.

To Mrs. Linderoth, the reason why these groups act so outwardly and with such violence is that they clearly do not fear retribution at the hands of the government. It would be good to notice that in the US, a much larger, far-flung, and yet has a fairly small internal intelligence force (most of the FBI agents are tasked with kidnappings, escaped or wanted criminals, organized crime, or smuggling operations. There are also many more places for people to hide in the US, and it is rather easy to enter by (and exit by) both our northern and southern borders, and the prevalence of air travel makes it easy for criminals to flee, YET our country does not share these problems, and there have been few attacks on the domestic scale. The US is permeable to our enemies' agents (as sept. 11th so shockingly exposed), but those groups that we DO know of are quickly dealt with, and almost always within the statutes that protect citizens' and non-citizens' rights. You have not shown these groups any reason to fear you, so their associates and peers flock to your country. The premiere counter-terror official of a country shouldn't have problems seeing this. The answer to dealing with these groups isn't to deny that an investigation is underway just to protect the current government (and your own @ss) from the type of government that your citizens deserve; a government that is willing and able to protect them from dangerous enemies and to admit its faults when the faults are present. The people have a right to place a leader in office who will lead them to safety and prosperity. If your administration can't handle this idea, then the people should be able to see this- anything else is a distortion of the truth and is a betrayal of your fellow countrymen's trust that their safety is your greatest concern, not your own position and prestige. This is the problem with many politicians- they declare and act as though the benefit of the state is the prime goal, yet they refuse to so much as lift a finger in the defense of their homeland if it could even possibly damage their political karma. Mrs. Linderoth, your failure to defend your citizens is just such a betryal but it goes beyond even your direct responsability to your own citizens, for the terrorists who occupy your country also endanger your neighbors' livelihoods and safety and allows the greatest danger to modern society to gain a secure beachhead in Europe, for these 'inexplicable' incidents under your watch are just the first step. May your chosen diety bless you if you cannot at least address these matters.

-Ratz
Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty,
but criticizm protector of democracy.

20 Ratz  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:20:53pm

sorry, criticizm *is the* protector

21 emily  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:23:13pm

Hmmm...

All the records regarding Mr. Chatty's matriculation at the North American Institute of Aviation (Conway, S.C.) are gone after a fire at the facility in May 2002:

[Link: 216.239.51.100...]

The picture shows that their main building was completely gutted. None of the planes were damaged.

Reporters were able to talk to an instructor who remembered him and said he was "dismissed" from the program basically for being unable to learn to fly a plane.

Wonder how many other Swunisians took lessons there?

22 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:45:55pm

This just in from the National Bizarro Channel:

[Link: www.msnbc.com...]

Seems our dear friends the Germans (remember them? Of genocide fame?) are threatening to withhold key evidence against Moussaoui (too many vowels!) if it will be used to secure the death penalty against him.

Okay, let me see if I have this right. The only survivor of the conspirators who killed about 3,000 citizens of not just the US, but the world (as they keep reminding us) could go free because they want to make sure his life isn't in danger???

But the Israelis are terrorists and murderers. Okay, I have officially arrived in looking-glass land.

23 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 2:46:29pm

Mommydoc #18,

"how the hell does she keep her job?"

-And how did she ever GET it?

Perhaps this is the reason:

I googled a bit, and found a link to a mysterious Judo Club (you know that martial sport) in Sweden called "Judo - Karateruy Samurai" where Margareta Linderoth apparently became one of the first members when it was founded in 1963 by a certain Jack Oltman. On the website, he presents himself as an Indonesian born man with a Dutch father and Indonesian mother. He studied to become a music teacher by playing piano on the boats sailing to the United States.

Margareta Linderoth (it's probably our Margareta due to the unusual spelling of her name) is said to have won a couple of the competitions.

[Link: home.burken.nu...]

Perhaps her "ability" to counter terrorists using karate and judo, as well as her flare on how to infiltrate innocent-looking Judo clubs controlled by Dutch-Indonesian piano teachers made her the best woman for the job!! :-)

24 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 3:01:57pm

Oh, Viking, you are a card!

This is copied in part from another thread:

I am so sick of the whining about profiling. Quite frankly, I wish we could avoid profiling. I truly believe that *every* passenger flying today, even the elderly in wheelchairs, should be checked carefully. Did you catch the video of the Red Crescent ambulance carrying explosives on the gurney with a woman in abaya and 2 children used as shields? That's why El Al has such a great safety record. They interviewed my best friend's husband, a Zionist green-eyed sandy-haired US Jew who speaks fluent Hebrew and has many passport stamps for Israel for 20 minutes, repeating many of the same questions to check for consistency of response. Why? After Israel, he was going on to Cambodia, where he had spent 3 years with Medicins sans Frontiers (Doctors Without Borders), had many Cambodian passport stamps, and was carrying a number of letters and packages with addresses written in Khmer, which uses a different alphabet vaguely similar in appearance to Arabic. This was back in '96. He was grateful that they were so meticulous about safety. We talked about it a lot last year when I was stranded at their home in Denver after 9/11. I was due to have flown home that night. I watched the second plane hit the WTC in real time in their living room. His perspective was that, if El Al had been handling security, 9/11 would have just been a day like any other. And he's right.

Given that we are no way equipped to use the same high standards of screening here, where our security screening more resembles a cross between the old Samsonite commercials with the suitcase in the gorilla cage and a Monty Python sketch, we can't screen everyone. In medicine, we often screen selectively, performing tests only on those at elevated risk. Examples would be mammograms on women after 40, pap smears on all women over 18 and on sexually active females below that age, and sigmoidoscopy after age 50 or earlier with family history. Yes, some cancers get missed in those who don't fall into the high risk categories, but very few, and yes, there are alot of negative exams (thank God), but we direct finite resources to where they have the best chance of being effective.

And that's why profiling, like having your boob mercilessly crushed, a scope up your ass, or a metal speculum in your (well, you know), is a necessary evil. Yeah, it's invasive and painful and it involves a huge loss of personal autonomy and dignity, but it saves lives. One hopes that the person performing the exam is gentle, empathetic and sensitive, but if I have to choose, I personally would rather have a cold fish with excellent clinical skills than a buffoon with a great bedside manner.

Sorry to be indelicate, but sometimes one has to be brutal to make a point. I challenge you, Anil (and you, too, Neal, if you're lurking) to print this comment in its entirety and let the arrows fly, but I bet you a bendy straw you won't, since it refutes the point you want to make about how racist we are.

25 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 3:14:08pm

Well put, Ratz #19.

I'm at a loss as to what sorry "merit" she presented in order to be promoted to that office. Moreover, as she holds a classified government position (Security Police), I cannot find anything on her personal carrier or background, except for her embarassing statements to the Swedish and now unfortunate international press.

Nevertheless, the Swedish customs authorities did a great job in spite of Linderoth's inability to prevent an obvious (and increasingly) violent Islamic ex-maffia hitman and ex-convict with fundamentalist ties to the Salafi Movement from bordering a plane with a loaded handgun.

The airport security staff in Västerås deserve a big time salary raise.

It's true that in Europe, where borders are disappearing in a rapid pace, and where immigrant communities are growing and radicalizing, the threat is not at all acted upon by government officials. Not in Sweden. Not in France and not in Britain (where an al-Qaida supporting event on Trafalgar Square could not be stopped the other day).

This not being the case to the same extent in the US, I think, is the reason why many Americans were so taken aback at the devilish "boldness" of the 9/11 attacks. Separated by the seas, America had been safe before.

I beleive the actions taken by your administration are proof of pragmatism and efficiency, and I admire the moral clarity that has been its guiding star since that terrible September morning.

The Swedish parliamentary elections are coming up in two weeks (September 15), and I will sure as hell make myself clear at the polling office. Not only but also regarding our security, foreign and migration policy.

26 Jabba the Tutt  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 3:38:58pm

Mommydoc:
"Is this the same chick who excused Islamist men raping Scandinavian women by blaming the victims for their lack of cultural sensitivity? Or was that Denmark?"

That was actually a Norwegian feminist, who said that. Australia just arrested 5 Pakistani brothers in a gang rape charge, just after sentencing a bunch of Lebanese Muslims for gang rape. Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Holland have all had epidemics of rape by the Mohammedans.

I believe in the US, most Muslims are highly educated, while the European countries have taken in a bunch of people right out of the villages. My wife's fertility doc is from Iran and is Muslim. We had an appt Sept 13, 01. Felt strange, but he's good people, helped create hundreds of Americans of all races.

27 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 3:47:22pm

Jabba--I think you're right. Coincidentally, my setmate on the almost empty flight I took out of Denver on 9/14/01 is a young Persian Muslim whose mother still wears abaya here. Her dad is a physician. She herself is totally 20-something, trendy, pierced navel wearing midriff-baring shirts and works promoting extreme athletes. We had a wonderful conversation and really nurtured each other through a very scary flight. She became my patient and friend, as a result. One of my other patients is a Pakistani Muslim physician and one of my favorite faculty members from residency is a Kashmiri Muslim, as is her husband. These three are among the gentlest people I know. I'm getting ready to ask them what, from their point of view, makes the difference. I do know that they, and their husbands, do not complain about being profiled; they see it as adding to their safety.

28 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 3:57:45pm

Mommydoc #24

Haha :-)

I agree. Screening should be intensified and realistic (i.e. take known threats into account, such as young men from the Middle East).

---

On another note, I wish to make clear that I'm proud of today's capture of Kerim Chatty, demonstrating the efficiency of the Swedish Police.

The reason I exposed the unflattering record of Margareta Linderoth of the Swedish Counter-Terrorism Section of the Sercret Police above is her repeated failure to p r e v e n t terrorism, her politically correct downplay of the threats and her obnoxious attitude to the press (acting on leaks from her own institution).

29 The Viking  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 3:59:27pm

*the press is merely acting on leaks from her own institution*

30 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 4:24:11pm

re:#24

Monty Python Sketches You Never Want to See:

Security checker: Roit, ma'am. Whats 'at you got in that scabie crag?

Harried mother: Beg pardon--I thought you said "scabie crag." I don't understand you.

SC: Yes, scabie crag. Maybe rag. Rabie nag. You know, baby bag.

HM: Oh, baby bag. Why didn't you just say so?

SC: Oi did. It's a metaphor. So what's 'at in the lag?

HM: Nappies?

SC: No, ma'am--the liquidy-loik stuff.

HM: Pardon--do you mean in the baby bottle?

SC: And the machine, ma'am. Roit strange tha' one.

HM: It's a breast pump, for goodness sakes!

SC: What's a breast pump?

HM: See the baby I'm carrying? I'm nursing.

SC: Oi didn't ask you how you make your livin' ma'am. Oi asked you what's a breast pump.

HM: I know. I meant that I'm breastfeeding.

SC: So that liquid-loik stuff would be...

HM: Yes, breast milk. Mine.

SC: Prove it. Lemme see you drink 'er.

HM: You want me to do WHAT?

SC: Yes, Norwegian Blue. Beautiful plumage, what?

HM: WHAT?

SC: Oh, sorry ma'am. Got confused for a moment, thought I was in a different sketch

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT...

31 Angie Schultz  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 4:24:16pm

Mommydoc (#24) has hit upon a brilliant strategy for making captured terrorism suspects spill the beans:

Expose them to the full benefits of modern medical tests.

Prostate tests for all!

Muahahahaha!

Excuse me, I have to go do some wincing now.

32 JB  Sat, Aug 31, 2002 5:21:04pm

Re: #29
Viking wrote:
"Is this the same chick who excused Islamist men raping Scandinavian women by blaming the victims for their lack of cultural sensitivity? Or was that Denmark?"

That was actually a Norwegian feminist, who said that. Australia just arrested 5 Pakistani brothers in a gang rape charge, just after sentencing a bunch
of Lebanese Muslims for gang rape. Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Holland have all had epidemics of rape by the Mohammedans.

Yes, Denmark has the same problem. But the media continue to deny Islam is the cause of the problem. Islam respect women, so it is said, but only in a paternalistic sense, as long as they abide by the code of honor and chastity. I think that Islam, although not explicitly forgiving rape, reinforces paternalistic views and attitude of women. As long as society continues to accept the dubious proposition that all cultures are equal we will see more incidents of rape and honor killings.
But any change is not forthcoming, due to the climate of toleration on the universities. And if this state of affairs was not bad enough, we have no effective legislation to combat rape; the maximum statutory sentence for rape is the same for one offense as for more offenses, and with no mandatory sentence, judges have wide discretion to let off sexual predators. The professor who said that Norwegian women must better adapt to the realities of the bright new multicultural society is Unni Wikan, who is by no means a staunch feminist. For those who can read Norwegian the link is provided below.
[Link: www.dagbladet.no...]

33 The Viking  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 2:44:47am

JB #32,

What a horrible woman, that Unni Wikan!

Will Norwegian women really have to dress like her in order to go safe off Muslim men?

I read the article and it's this kind of attitude from some "intellectuals" that will, in the end, transform our multicultural societies into islamic emirates if it's not stopped.

I'm sure most Muslims too think this is outrageous! The woman goes as far as warning Norwegian women of inviting Muslim men to their homes.

The professor says Norwegian women are "naive and blind" and that they share in the responsibility if they get raped, "because Muslim men don't understand Norwegian women's way of life". She says that because in Islamic countries, men are not always punished for rape, theere's a risk they will bring this perception with them to Norway, and that therefor, Norwegian women should be aware.

In essence, blame the victim not the "culture".

34 The Viking  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 5:54:35am

UPDATE ON THE SUSPECTED ISLAMIC HIJACK ATTEMPT IN SWEDEN

As a public service to those of you who want to keep track of the latest developments in the case, following is a last minute resumé from Swedish and international press:

- Lawyer: "The 29-year old Denies All Charges"
- "My Son is Not a Terrorist"
- American Flight Teacher had Warned the FBI
- Kerim Chatty was a Substandard Flight Student
- Swedish al-Qaida Suspect: "He Would Never Kill Other Muslims"
- Club Owner: "Chatty has Changed Completely. It's Terrible"

LAWYER: "THE 29-YEAR OLD DENIES ALL CHARGES"

Defence lawyer Nils Uggla told Aftonbladet his client is "very much against violence" and was being unfairly suspected of terrorism because of his Muslim faith and the timing of his arrest.
"He is Muslim, he is flying and he has a gun and it's close to 11 September," Mr Uggla said. "That makes people draw quick conclusions".
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"-He is profoundly dismayed over this whole situation", Mr. Uggla, who has represented Chatty before in other criminal investigations, added. "- He denies the charges on terrorism or hijacking". Mr. Uggla has only had one telephone conversation with his client, and has been given a gag order. "-I knew him as a man who decided to change his life a couple of years ago, and to stop using violence". Asked why he had brought a loaded gun in his handluggage, Mr Uggla answered: "-He has got an explanation for that. An explanation that I find satisfactory".
[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

FORMAL CHARGES WILL BE BROUGHT MONDAY AND CHATTY'S 'EXPLANATION' MIGHT BE REVEALED

Prosecutors in Sweden have until midday on Monday to decide whether to bring formal charges against the suspect, although they can apply to hold him for longer. This is also when Chatty's alleged "explanation" for bringing a loaded gun onboard might become official. American federal agents have visited the flight school in South Carolina where he took seven months of flying lessons without obtaining his licence. Instructor James Lamb said the student had been "very substandard" and his course had been terminated for poor performance.

THE GUARDIAN PROFILES KERIM CHATTY:

Chatty was born in Stockholm in 1973 and had a Tunisian father, a physiotherapist, a Swedish mother, a brother and two sisters. He grew up in Basta, a quiet town outside the capital. For the first 25 years of his life he appears to have shown little interest in Islam and a lot of interest in fighting, guns and keeping fit with kickboxing. He was well known to both Swedish police and the Swedish intelligence service, 'Sapo', with a string of convictions for violent crime.

Four years ago Chatty spent a year in prison for carrying a loaded 9mm Glock machine pistol. He served several months for an attack in a gym on a US marine serving at the US embassy in Stockholm.

Chatty's conversion [to fundamentalist Islam] came after - or during - his incarceration in 1998. When police raided his Stockholm apartment last week they found quantities of hardline Islamic literature. According to friends, Chatty talked a lot about Jihad (holy war), and made a series of trips overseas. His mother says he was in Saudi Arabia on 11 September, and that Swedish police questioned him on his whereabouts during 9/11. He spoke of moving to the Yemen, the southern Arabian state which has been a haven for hardline Islamic groups, and enrolling in a religious school. But he apparently told friends that he did not want to be part of any one group. His jihad, he said, would be a personal one.
[Link: www.observer.co.uk...]

Chatty was said to have lived in a student flat in Conway between 1996-97 and paid $5,000 for a pilot training scheme. The fitness fanatic and kickboxer was carrying a 6.5 calibre pistol loaded with three or four rounds when he was arrested. Passengers on the plane, flown by the Irish budget airline Ryanair, included a group of 20 Muslims travelling to a conference in Birmingham on the future of the purist Salafi strand of Islam. Experts say an affiliation with Salafi Islam does not necessarily indicate support for al-Qaeda and its methods.
[Link: www.observer.co.uk...]

Some in Sapo, Sweden's security agency, said they had been instructed by the government to play down the incident at a politically sensitive time, two weeks before an election. There are fears anti-immigrant groups could try and exploit it.

"MY SON IS NOT A TERRORIST"

Kerim's father says his son became less prone to violence after he "changed his life" recently. "-He is innocent, and this is a tragedy for the entire family", he asserted with evidence of fatigue and chock in his face. The family lives in a house outside Stockholm. In front of it is a nietly cut lawn, and four parked cars. Despite the heavy social and criminal record of his son, Mr Chatty, owner of small business, claims his son grew up in a "stable environment". It was the father who had talked Kerim into taking flight lessons. "- I wanted him to become a pilot". Kerim failed the course in the United States.

STAYED IN VICINITY OF MOHAMMED ATTA BUT HAD "NO CONNECTION"

After failing in the Comway Flight School and at Ocean Isle beach, he went back home. He returned to the US in 1998 going to Pembroke Pines near Palm Beach a couple of kilometers from Delray Beach where Mohammed Atta and his gang later established their base. He wanted to continue his training in a school there but never did.

"-He didn't know any of those guys. He condemned them and thought they were crazy", the father affirms. Mr Chatty says his son had met some people in the US who had talked to him about islam. When Kerim returned to Sweden he was already an active Muslim. "He has made two trips to Saudi-Arabia to study Islam. He was there on pilgrimage on September 11".

HE "FORGOT" ABOUT THE GUN

"-I think he forgot about the gun stuck in his affairs when he moved out of his apartment three months ago", his father said. "He came here some hours before he was supposed to fly off. He was calm and in a good mood. I gave him some money to buy presents for his sisters". "This whole thing will die off. My son is not a terrorist", Mr Chatty concluded.
[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

'MAIL ON SUNDAY': FLIGHT TEACHER HAD WARNED THE FBI

The FBI has had their eyes on Kerim Chatty since September 11: "-We knew the man, but we won't comment on a case under investigation", an FBI official told The Mail on Sunday. " Swedish Authorities were not asked to intervene since no link to any known organisation was found".

Kerim's American flight teacher had alerted the agency, saying Chatty had a profile similar to the September 11 hijackers, of which some took flying lessons at American flight schools. The British paper The Mail on Sunday today likens the behaviour of Chatty with that of the Muhammed Atta ring. Chatty studied at two flight schools, and later went on to Florida to take extra classes, but never took out his certificat.

FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR TRIED TO CONTACT CHATTY, THEN CALLED THE FBI

Chatty's second flight instructor and owner of the Ocean Isle Beach Flight School, Peter Nagy, tried, in vain, to get hold of Chatty in order to deliver his flight certificat. Not being able to reach him after several months following September 11, he got suspicious and contacted the FBI. According to the British paper, US President Bush is said to be worried about the news from Sweden, and will be briefed at his return to Washington.

Reuters yesterday quoted Swedish security officials saying they had compelling evidence Mr Chatty would try to crash the plane into an American embassy in Europe. British police was also quoted as saying that four anti-terror officials from MI5 and the CIA's London Office respectively had been sent to Västerås. This was vehemently denied by the head of Swedish SÄPO, Margareta Linderoth. Nevertheless, Swedish government officials, including opposition leaders and other senior officials on vacation were informed and kept on notice by SÄPO of the latest developments in the case.
[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

"KERIM CHATTY WAS A SUBSTANDARD FLIGHT STUDENT"

The vice-President of the North American Institute of Aviation (NAIA), Bob Sunday says: "-He didn't meet our standards and his training was interrupted", says Sunday. "- It's unusual for a student not to pass the first six months. He was one of them". This meant he could only fly Cessna 152 and the bigger Cessna 172. Bob Sunday says Chatty would not be able to take-off or land a Boeing sized aircraft, while confirming that taking over and flying it into a building would be a simple matter for a any pilot. "-When he failed, that's when we contacted the authorities to terminate his visa. He should have left the country within a month of that date".
[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

James Lamb, assistant chief flight instructor with the North American Institute of Aviation in Conway, South Carolina told Reuters an FBI agent was at the school Saturday seeking information on Kerim Chatty.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Douglas Bechner, the former head of the flight school in Cromway, SC, says he is surprised that an ex-convict was ever able to get a visa to take flight classes in the US. "-Perhaps he manipulated his passport or credentials", Beckner speculated. Aftonbladet goes on to interview former classmates of Chatty at the NAIA school who asserted they would be able to command a jumbojet in the air. They remember Kerim Chatty as an assiduous student, with whom they got along well.

SWEDISH AL-QAIDA SUSPECT: "HE WOULD NEVER KILL OTHER MUSLIMS"

A 36-year old man holding a Swedish passport, currently detained by US police on suspicions he conspired with American al-Qaida suspect James Ujaama to establish a terrorist training camp in the US, is an acquaintance of Kerim Chetty. Interviewed on his relations with the suspected hijacker, whom he met in a Swedish prison, he says they never discussed politics. "-We practiced kickboxing, prayed together and played videogames. He knew I approved of fighting Jihad, but he never talked about terror with me. My view is we have to fight in our own countries, not in Europe or the States".

"IF PLANE CARRIED AMERICAN SOLDIERS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT"

Asked whether he was surprised that his former jailmate was held on terrorism charges, he said "- You never know what you'll find in the depth of someone's heart". The 36-year old does not beleive Chatty wanted to hijack the plane. "-If you want to smuggle in a handgun, you have to do it with cunning. And I don't beleive he wanted to crash the plane. There were Muslims on it. It's against Islam to kill other Muslims. It would have been different if the plane was packed with American soldiers", the al-Qaida suspect concluded.
[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

CLUB OWNER: "CHATTY HAS CHANGED COMPLETELY. IT'S TERRIBLE"

Chique club owner Milan Sevo was a good friend of Chatty's older brother, who, like his Kerim, worked as a hitman in the Yugoslav maffia operating in Stockholm. "-Kerim changed completely, growing a beard down to his belt, travelling to Mecka and praying five times a week. I respect people who love their faith, but this was fanatic", he describes.

Asked whether he beleived Kerim would be able to commit a suicide terrorist act he said he wouldn't be any more surprised than the friends and relatives of the 9/11 hijackers, who knew nothing of what they were capable of.
[Link: www.aftonbladet.se...]

/ The Viking

35 JB  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 6:16:43am

Re: #33
What a horrible woman, that Unni Wikan!

Will Norwegian women really have to dress like her in order to go safe off Muslim men?

I read the article and it's this kind of attitude from some "intellectuals" that will, in the end, transform our multicultural societies into islamic emirates
if it's not stopped.

I'm sure most Muslims too think this is outrageous! The woman goes as far as warning Norwegian women of inviting Muslim men to their homes.

The professor says Norwegian women are "naive and blind" and that they share in the responsibility if they get raped, "because Muslim men don't understand
Norwegian women's way of life". She says that because in Islamic countries, men are not always punished for rape, theere's a risk they will bring this
perception with them to Norway, and that therefor, Norwegian women should be aware.

I think it is somewhat contradictory to claim both that we are all the same, cultural differences are only social constructions, and at the same time argue that the host nation must change its sexual norms. If her intention was to rehabilitate Islam it is safe to say that her argument did not advance her purpose. All that said, Denmark is not yet as bad as Norway and Sweden regarding public toleration of criticism. Reading the letters to the editor section of Expression and, I suppose other high circulation Swedish newspapers, is reminiscent of Pravda in the good old ´days. But still, we in Denmark has a long way to go. But your Mona Salin apparently thinks Denmark is the epitomy of racism and intolerance. It is to my disbelief what the Swedish plebis find so attractive about her.

36 Westoner  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 6:19:19am

We should not be surprised to see in the coming years more outlandish support for Islam among many western intellectuals. Apart from their well-documented hatred of the west, leftist intellectuals share the same pompous, self-righteousness of Islam.

The western leftist intellectual sees himself/herself as a revolutionary and must always be fighting against the current state of society. Thus, having spent the 60s and 70s fighting for a more tolerant society, they will now be spending the coming decades fighting for a less tolerant one on behalf of their new champions, Islam. They will see no contradiction in this. They after all, saw no contradictions in the workings of socialism/communism.

It is interesting to speculate, but I suspect the only two groups of westerners who would readily convert to Islam would be criminals and leftist intellectuals.

37 The Viking  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 7:46:58am

Europe has got a colonial complex vis à vis the third world stemming from the European colonial pas of exploitation, genocide and racism against third world peoples.

This is why many left-wingers in Europe today beleive that the ALL conflicts between the so-called first and the third world are based on 'expolitation' or racism/colonialism.

Thus, they term the Arab war against Israel as a fight aganist colonialism (although the Jews are an indigenous people of the Middle East) and think that the war against terrorism is a colonialist war of conquest on "the poor" peoples of the world.

Moreover, these leftist extremists refuse to acknowledge that colonialism disappeared long ago, and that most problems in the third world today are originate from utterly bad governance and dictatorship committed by local roague regimes. (compare 'the democratically elected Arafat' BS).

Any demands or restrictions imposed on 'coloured people from poor countries' will thusly be termed as "racism" in post-colonial complexed Europe.

It's very sad, and unhelpful to the third world itself, suffering under intolerant fundamentalist dictatorships.

38 John Anderson  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 8:32:51am

"The airport security staff in Västerås deserve a big time salary raise."


I'd suggest sending them to Atlanta in the US where a woman was allowed to board and fly out with a loaded .357 Magnum in her handbag, except that would result in a considerable pay cut for them.


Mind you, this is the same organization that threatened to confiscate a WWII veteran's Medal of Honor (highest military award in the US - if a private is wearing it, generals are required to salute him in a reverse of norm) because it looked sharp and pointy. Just like their heads.

39 The Viking  Sun, Sep 1, 2002 8:36:16am

KERIM CHETTY:

"I CARRIED GUN TO ISLAMIC CONFERENCE AS I FELT THREATENED"

The Swedish newspaper Expressen says it has got hold of interrogation transcrpits with suspected hijacker Kerim Chatty.

The information was leaked when SÄPO informed the leaders of Sweden's different political leaders.

In the transcrips, Kerim Chatty says:

"- I had the gun for personal protection, because I felt threatened, especially where I was going" [the Islamic conference in Birmingham, Britain].

"-If I had wanted to hijack the plane I wouldn't have brought a weapon in my carry-on luggage. I would have done it differently."

[Link: www.expressen.se...]

However, the State prosecutor said the motive is still being investigated further, and said he didn't want to comment.

Kerim Chatty's lawyer, Nils Uggla, said his cient felt he was being racially harassed. "-Remember he has got a Swedish mother, was born here and lived here all his life. If he had had two Swedish parents, he beleives there wouldn't have been such media attention".

Meanwhile, in Birmingham, some 3000 gathered salafi Muslims had to fend off hundred's of media crew wanting a glimpse of the conference.

"-We are happy that the Swedish police arrested that man, and we don't know who he is", a conference spokesman said.

Meanwhile, Swedish police scrambled on Sunday to meet a legal deadline to press charges against Chatty for attempted hijacking.

"-We do not want him to be set free on Monday," police spokesman Ulf Palm told Reuters. He also admitted police were now liaising with foreign authorities, something that had been denied earlier.

Reuters:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

According to Expressen, the Reuters news agency maintains the information it said it got from high ranking sources in SÄPO security police.

"-We trust our sources and our reporters. We got the information yesterday morning, but waited until the afternoon to make them public, after having cofirmed it with multiple sources", the Stockholm bureau chief of Reuters, Jonathan Lynn confirms.

[Link: www.expressen.se...]

According to the Sunday Telegraph, the suspected hijacker might have set US Embassies in London, Moscow or Paris as targets.

Swedish Justice Minister told Expressen the case may be serious, but did not wish to elaborate.

[Link: www.expressen.se...]

(photo of Chatty from Comway Flight School, before he became religious).

40 Swede  Thu, Sep 5, 2002 7:05:06am

The Islamic Radicals find haven in Scandinavia

"THE number of radical Muslims in Sweden has been growing rapidly because of the country’s relatively liberal asylum laws, police reports say."

source :
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

---

Muslims are building chemical and biology laboratories in Sweden.

The Islamic center in Malmoe, Sweden, is building a research center with an emphasis on research in Chemistry and Biology. The Swedish newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet reports that the laboratories is aimed at "research level".

The number of radical muslims in Sweden has grown rapidly during the last 10 years as a result of one of the worlds most liberal policies on asylum. Over 80% of asylum seekers granted asylum in Sweden have no papers of identification; this has made Sweden a haven for terrorists in Europe. The number of muslims has increased from a few thousands to more than 400,000 during the last ten years and many dissident fundamentalist muslim groups are operating on the fringes of the religious communities. Islamic Center in Malmoe has 55 000 members.

In this article (link below) Bejzat Becirov says that he hopes to build chemical and biology laboratories in "several rooms" in the mosque area.

[Link: w1.sydsvenskan.se...]

Please inform you media about this information.


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