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A Troll Confesses

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 3:05:54 pm PST

Someone who obviously considers himself a very important person has decided it’s not enough to bash LGF any more. He’s also going to punish everyone who links to us, by delinking them on his site.

I wouldn’t even mention this, except that in the course of his rant about how racist, bigoted, blah blah blah LGF is, he does reveal something interesting:

Worse, the site’s unwillingness to tolerate comments that deviate from the house line and its active and aggressive deletion of comments from readers that it deems objectionable -- and the “bright line” test involved is almost totalitarian in nature and scope -- is nothing less than a disgrace. (I know because I have tested it several times.)

First, the accusation that I delete every comment that disagrees with the “house line” is 100% pure horseshit. There are many, many comments on this weblog from people who disagree with me and with other posters, and I have NEVER deleted someone’s comment simply because I disagreed with what they said. Mr. Capozzola, you’re a liar.

But the interesting part is that you admit to trolling our site. Which troll were you?

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1 Geoff  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:13:41pm

Some bloggers have an overdeveloped sense of self-importance it would seem. Way to go out on a limb there James, taking such a brave moral stand.

2 William  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:18:07pm

Willfull ignorance is not uncommon. Many are afraid to deal with the harsh reality, so they choose to pretend it does not exist, and hope it will go away.

All seven of his readers will be pleased at his 'courage' to ignore reality.

3 Charlie Brawn  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:21:04pm

Hey Charles, what do you consider a troll? I don't see how you feel that your comments are getting spammed or flamed all that much? I've seen way worse before.

4 acuteanger  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:21:09pm

Ahh, someone else trying to kickstart their webiste by rippin' LGF... yawn...

5 AG in Houston  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:21:12pm

Who cares about the little blogger that couldnt.

Good riddance. may you wallow in you self pity and envy.

6 h-man  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:24:14pm

you can be judged by those that despise you - keep up the great work charles. from what i have seen is those that condemn or delink you are, well, puds. no great loss.

7 NC  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:24:29pm

Geoff--I had the same reaction. The guy doesn't like LGF, doesn't want to blogroll anyone who blogrolls LGF? Hey, God bless. But I had to laugh at this:

Now, however, I have decided it’s time to take a stand.

"Time to take a stand"? What is this, Tiananmen Square? ROCK ON, FEARLESS WARRIOR!

8 Minstrel  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:26:22pm

Yeah! Go Charles!
It seems I've found someone with the guts to call a spade a spade, and a liar a liar. There's far too little of that these days. Don't want to offend anyone, do we? Oh, no, we just can't have that.
Charles, I'm behind you 100%. You're not the problem by any means. The problem is people like that nur that cause trouble and strife. And for the record, I've seen them on both sides of the political line.

9 Raj Against The Machine  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:28:18pm

Well, there goes my hit count!

10 israeliguy17  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:28:23pm

Charles, why the hell would you give the idiot publicity? i m ean now every1's rushing to his site (including me, human nature, you know) to see hwat he wrote about you...

11 Robert Crawford  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:34:41pm

Sounds like the same kind of stupid stunt some idiots pulled with Michele over at "a small victory".

Interestingly enough, she's just posted something quite appropriate:

[Link: 64.21.37.36...]

12 Laurence Simon  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:37:48pm

Well, at least he didn't de-link you because you're white.

Things have been building too much, and it's time for the tide to roll back out. The bubble must burst. I see a future fad of "anti-blogrolls" where people will post the locations of sites that they absolutely refuse to link to.

Then and only then will my diabolical plan be ready... MUAHAHAHAH!

13 DC  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:38:01pm

I'd nominate Tyler Patterson as the Rittenshouse pawn.

Patterson has said explicitly that he likes coming here to bait the regulars. (Which is also a good reason nto to feed the trolls!)

14 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:40:30pm

Oh please, these trolls are melting into seething masses of green acid. Honestly, it's becoming tiresome. It's one thing if they troll through here, but to post personal attacks against Charles, and the LGF posters on their own websites, is quite another.

I wonder what these people talk about when they're not talking about Charles. It's like they're spellbound. Well Charles, I guess that's the price you pay for being so fascinating ;-)

15 Joe Stocker  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:42:55pm

Charles,

Your site has been a big eye opener for me. Is LGF racist, bigoted, evil???!!!! Every day you have simply recorded the latest atrocity from the Religion of Peace. And every day we have seen Christians and Jews react with real tolerance (give or take a few "bomb Mecca" words said in stupid, fuck-the-world jest). Every one of us who drops by LGF wants to live in a peaceful, prosperous and tolerant society but the Jihad babies just want to blow us all to pieces. I was born into a Christian community and I turned my back on it. The Religion of Peace and LGF has made me realize just how fucking wonderful the Christian world is (hey, Jews are welcome if they bring bagels). Thanks for making me value what I once took for granted.

16 Nastification Agenda  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 1:52:20pm

When it was in full operation, SPY mag would place, side-by-side, fellatial reviews of one author of another's work, and vice versa. That approach to literary criticism hardly advances learning. The creep of transient interest here, wants similar undeserved rewards.

His blog is easy to review: all noise, no substance. Examining his stream of insipid unconsciousness is like taking a warp-drive out of the information age. His opinions are verbal cartoons. Let inconsequential zeros like this pathetic little anti-human, wallow in their own self-importance.

Knowledge is power, pal. And blissful ignorance of the nature of Islamic JIHAD, is weakness. Chew on this:

www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4762#c0 036

17 DebP  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:01:34pm

After the initial ego-sting goes away, it's always good to at least try to put yourself in your critic's shoes to see if there is some basis to his criticism. If you've done that and you still believe you're doing the right thing, at that point it's best to grow thicker skin.

One of the things I like about the O'Reilly show is when he reads viewer mail. He usually reads at least one letter which is critical of him. I've noticed that when someone attacks his methods (for instance, says he doesn't do fact checking or some such thing), he will defend his methods. However when the writer is decrying his value system, O'Reilly usually just reads their negative opinion of him and doesn't make any comment one way or the other (although he might smile).

Anyway when values systems clash, it can generate a lot of heat, and lead people to make false accusations about methods (as in this case about deleting comments that merely reflect a different point of view). If the guy is unwilling to give an instance of a comment he posted that was deleted so Charles can give it a second look-over, I wouldn't even dwell on it. If Charles did delete one or more of his comments, it could very well be that this guy's misattributing Charles' reason for the deletion, and if Charles saw it again, Charles could provide his real rationale for deleting it (like this guy'd care or believe Charles anyway).

But without providing anything to back up what he's saying, I'd simply write his slam off. And since I'm led to believe that I won't see any examples of deleted comments by going to his site, I'm not going to increase the hits his site gets by going there to check it out.

18 Raj Against The Machine  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:08:19pm

Mr. Rittenhouse deserves his own song as a going away present, doesn't he?

Mr. Rittenhouse, This one's for you, you intolerant monolith.

(Chef's voice) It reminds me of this song we used to sing:

Left a good job in the city,
Workin' on my weblog ev'ry night and day,
And I never trashed one permanent link,
Wonderin' 'how my site just might have been.

Rittenhouse keeps on boastin',
Proud Charles keeps on postin',
Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.

Trolled a lot of sites in LA,
Postin' from Mom's basement down in New Orleans,
But I never saw the hit count explode,
'Til I hitched a ride on an LGF dream.

Rittenhouse's site is token,
Proud Charles' site is smokin',
Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.

Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.

If you come down to my website,
Bet you gonna find that leftys don't give.
You don't have to worry 'cause they have no money,
Little Green Footballs is where I live.

Rittenhouse, massive weena,
Charles says 'Bite me, who needs ya?'
Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.

Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.
Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.
Trollin', trollin', trollin' on a website.

19 Robert Crawford  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:10:17pm
Is LGF racist, bigoted, evil???!!!!

Joe, you have to understand. To a lot of people -- many of them supposedly educated -- those words don't mean what you and I think. To them, having an opinion about non-Western people that is not flattering to those non-Western people is "racist", and having strong opinions is "bigoted".

I'm not quite sure what qualifies as "evil", since I've never heard such people describe anything except Republicans as evil.

20 NTropy  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:10:20pm

Sheeesh with links to blogs / sites such as:

Last Liberal
Lean Left (Kevin Raybould)
Lefty Directory
Liberal Oasis

is it any surprise that this guy is making noise. LGF has gotten enough attention lately that even the smallest are taking notice and trying to feed off of it.

21 Queshtun  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:13:35pm

Maybe we could all get along on lgf if we all got drunk and stoned and listened to a lil' REO Speedwagon?

22 Jheka  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:13:56pm

This is off topic, but i just saw that they are moving the Miss World Pageant from Nigeria to London. [Link: reuters.com...]

Death to Beauty (as the mob was reportedly shouting), indeed. The gibbering horde got its way. Now that they have seen their efforts rewarded, the question is, how long will London (or any place) be safe?

As for the troll, I recommend that he amble over to Democratic Underground [Link: www.democraticunderground.com...] ... or perhaps Clear Guidance [Link: www.clearguidance.com...] (I am truly, truly saddened by how often they espouse very similar views ... there must not be too many ways to hate America) to get a sense of what real hatred and censorship is.

23 Charles  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:14:08pm

DebP wrote:

If Charles did delete one or more of his comments, it could very well be that this guy's misattributing Charles' reason for the deletion, and if Charles saw it again, Charles could provide his real rationale for deleting it (like this guy'd care or believe Charles anyway).

He has never posted a comment here under his own name. If I did delete something he left (which I probably didn't, because I delete very few comments), it's because he was obviously trolling, or was insulting, or a similar reason.

But the real point is -- he admits he was trolling LGF! So how can he claim outrage that his sneaky dishonest comments were deleted -- even if they were? Believe me, I'm starting to get a very good nose for trolls, and by admitting that he is one, he put himself on a very short list of suspects.

24 Elizabeth  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:20:27pm

Gosh, de-link away. I've never heard of you.

25 mommydoc  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:21:04pm

Raj (#18) Instant classic! ROTFLMAO!

I too was struck by the list of blogs he applauds, and by what a vanity piece it is--no comments? Public mental masturbation, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm especially tickled by his screed on Eli Lilly and the totally spurious link between thimerosol and autism claimed by barking moonbats who refuse to vaccinate their kids.

Charles, this is a compliment.

26 Joe Stocker  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:27:02pm

Miss World waves the white flag
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

It's being moved to London. Will Westminster Abbey be bombed next week?

27 nafouz  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:28:51pm

How important can this guy be, I've never heard of him. Probably just jealous that LGF is so popular.

28 Mrs. du Toit  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:32:33pm

I don't know what the issue is or was and I'm not going to try to figure it out, but the complaint about comments is something that always irritates me.

Your website is YOUR website. You pay for it and you keep it running. Even if you did delete someone's comments (for any reason), THAT IS YOUR RIGHT.

I get so tired of people making comparisons of free speech to private property rights. No, someone does NOT have free speech in my home OR my website. The government can make no law, but private citizens can many any speech restriction they want to impose on their private property.

I'm not suggesting you did delete comments, but if you do (or did), it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS, or anyone else's business.

29 acuteanger  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:32:34pm

she-it. (No offense girls...)

But I just spent 20 minutes fisking his post at which point I was getting to the, "your ignoring the greater "evil" that LGF exposes by targeting it's readers and commentors" when I realized that's perhaps what this idiot wants.

he doesn't want to talk about these issues that are ripping up my planet. He wants to talk about himself. And me. And you. And Charles.

And guess what -- WE AIN'T THE PROBLEM.

But we are at least TRYING to get to a solution, trying to get educated, if we didn't get so dang distracted by the trolls...

(Aside, one of my good comments was: Oh, so you are stiffing the waiter for the act of the maitre-de snubbing you? ie deleteing any blog that links to LGF....)

But I ain't gonnna write the clown. Sorry Charles, these types just aren't worth my time. I get incensed to be labelled and grouped and want to defend, first myself, then you, then all of us. But it's just a pissing match like Anil's and I've got better things to do with my time...

Senators to write. Newspaper editors to slam. you know the usual....

Move along, move along...

30 wordwarp  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:39:23pm

raj - hysterical, loved it

what a little weeniel. total page-hit envy. Did you see the RIDICULOUS number of links on his page???? I was cacklin'. Massive over-compensation syndrome with hotlinks replacing the giant black SUV that he REALLY wants, but is too ashamed to buy.

my vote is on Tyler Patterson too. Question: does arguing ever do any good? Do they EVER change their minds? Does even the most powerfully argued position have any effect?

31 NTropy  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:40:42pm

I don't know if Elizabeth was asking for the links I mentioned or not but here they are plus a couple bonus ones.

Lean Left

Lefty Directory

Liberal Oasis

Get Donkey - a self professed "good pile of pinko crap"

Stage Left - "Peace, justice, politics, and more from the intellectual left." Intellectual left? Oxymoron?

Talk Left - perhaps it should be "thought bereft"?

Is it any surprise this character want nothing to do with LGF?

32 mark  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:47:06pm

But will he link to sites that link to sites that link to sites that....

33 Glen Wishard  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:47:26pm

This guy wants it bad --- not since Robert Fisk went to Afghanistan has anyone walked around asking for it like this:

I fully expect to be raked over the coals for this decision, to be called all sorts of names, and to be disparaged with merciless unfairness and obloquy.

Like I got nothing else to do on Friday night? I'll have to decline your invitation, on the principle of Aquilae non captant muscae - "Eagles don't eat flies."

34 wordwarp  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:47:36pm

btw, what kind of a COWARD would troll another blogger's site anonymously?

Really. Doesn't this violate some sort of unspoken code of decency in the blogger world?

35 Koedo  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 2:51:24pm

Charles,

There is no greater sign that you are successful than having attacks aimed at you. You do a great job and be heatened by the fact that you have many, many more admirers than detractors.

36 Amos  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:04:38pm

Zulubaby wrote: Oh please, these trolls are melting into seething masses of green acid.

Zulu, this sounds like an image from "A Man Rides Through", part of Stephen Donaldson's duology, Mordant's Need. Are you a fellow fan?

37 Kirk  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:06:07pm

Charles, this is a great site. It has the attributes of a good club:

A place to eat a quiet dinner
A game room
A bar (much like the one from the first Star Wars)
A large mostly unused basement (from Fight Club)

Folks are welcomed in and told to just behave themselves and not get too outrageous. Some folks wander into the basement when they seek the bar. They get chewed up by the regulars interested in bare knuckle fighting.

The posts represent a bell curve with some being ultra leftwing to ultra rightwing. Most posts hover around the comfortable middle.

Keep up the good work.

38 BarCodeKing  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:12:46pm

Funny thing: The Rittenhouse Review doesn't have any comments at all. It's really brave to criticize commenters on other weblogs when you don't allow them on your own.

Also, take a look at the guy's Blogroll and you'll see a Who's Who of idiotarians. He's got effin' WarBloggerWatch on his blogroll, and he dares talk about anyone else linking to hatemongers? What a maroon!

39 Charles  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:30:04pm

Glen:

Aquilae non captant muscae - "Eagles don't eat flies."

That just got added to our random title list.

40 mommydoc  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:34:28pm

Kirk--LOL! You're right, which is why this is my major stop of the day.

41 Charles  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:43:01pm

Kirk: thank you for the much-needed smile.

42 Doc  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:43:29pm

The voices rise . . .

43 Charles  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:44:58pm

And lest anyone feel left out -- you guys are the greatest, and anyone who says otherwise can bite me.

44 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:47:49pm

Amos,

Not a clue, darling, what you're talking about. It was just a vision I had :-)

45 michele  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 3:55:59pm

Another cry for attention from a lefty blogger.

His reason for coming down on LGF is because he thinks Charles deletes comments with opposing points of view.

Yet this cretin is doing almost the same thing; deleting from his blogroll anyone who not only thinks differently than him, but who links to someone who thinks differently than him. Typical leftist attitude of closing ones self into a space where the only people left are those who have the same limited thought process as you.

46 Bill Peschel  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:07:37pm

Gotta admire his links, though: 2,000 newspapers, 4,000 religions and organizations, and looky there, no less than 50 great reviews.

Too bad he's a crashing bore incapable of writing a sentence that doesn't put the reader to sleep. I did like "a vile cesspool of racism, bigotry, prejudice, ignorance, and hate." There's your new title, Charles!

Still, it was interesting scrolling through his links. I learned a lot.

* Ain't No Bad Dude is going to be in trouble. He links to lgf.

* So does Into the Breach

* Will he cut MyDaddy'sBlog and NoSphereBlue because they link to Ain't No Bad Dude?

* Is Rittenhouse going to make Get Donkey get rid of its link to USS Clueless? Den Beste is vehemently in favor of invading Iraq.

* Apparently, he doesn't mind Free Pie's link to the Voluntary Extinction Movement.

* David Horowitz links to David Horowitz. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

* Neal Pollock has a blog. Don't know who he is, except one of those McSweeney writers, but it's interesting to know he's here too. I'll have to check him out.

* If you click on The Last Liberal's site, you get this:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

I guess if you're the last liberal and you only let liberals access your site, you're SOL.

Oh, Rittenhouse does have comments. On his links list is "Letters to The Rittenhouse Review" That's his way to make sure no trolls get on his board.

And, yes, I know the guy's name is really Capozzola. I wonder why he calls it Rittenhouse? The only one that comes to mind is the one played by Margaret Dumont.

47 Donna V.  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:19:10pm

OT and BTW:

I met J.Litchy, Joshua, and Nigel for lunch today in Chicago and enjoyed it very much! Unfortunately, Omedeus couldn't meet us because of a change in travel plans - maybe next time! We dined on double cheeseburgers at Billy Goat's Tavern and my only regret was that the other three had to go back to work; I would have been happy to sit and jaw all afternoon. Let's do it again, guys!

48 Robert Crawford  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:23:38pm
I too was struck by the list of blogs he applauds, and by what a vanity piece it is--no comments? Public mental masturbation, as far as I'm concerned.

There are LOTS of reasons not to have comments. I wouldn't want to spend the time policing them, or dealing with them. In fact, I suspect that if I had comments on my blog, a particular asswipe, er, "gentleman" would have tried to use them to get me into legal trouble.

(No, that's not overstating the problem.)

Blogs are personal property that can be developed however the owner wants. Comments are nice, and probably do increase and the, er, "immediacy" of feedback, but their lack is not an intellectual failing.

49 Donna V.  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:26:54pm

Oh, and BTW, zulubaby, Nigel is a very nice guy from South Africa. I thought of you! (Hope I'm not embarassing you, Nigel!)

50 Jim  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:48:18pm

What the hell is a Muslim?

51 Erik  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:53:11pm

What else can you expect from a person who writes:

I am normally a passionate advocate of an author’s right to choose his associates and to establish and maintain her own chosen associations.

That's the kind of language which gets you an A+ at UC Berkeley's women's studies 101. But wait! Why does "his" have to go first, in front of "her"?!? MYSOGYNIST!

52 Kirk  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:55:28pm

Charles,

You've stuck your head up while others try to pound you down. Whether it is out of jealosy or hatred is immaterial. Lucianne catches grief as well for being popular. Hell, Drudge catches grief for being in a head's up position. You've got good company.

Don't let the bastards wear you down.

53 Erik  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 4:56:15pm

errrr.. MISOGYNIST!

=P

54 nafouz  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 5:14:28pm

I took a gander at the Rittenhouse Review, but was annoyed by its pretentiousness, its name-dropping, and referring himself as we, when we damn know it is only one person. And it's boring.

55 Rodger Schuester  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 5:26:13pm

I think it's great that he is delinking others. Most of those delinked would probably do it for him if they could gain access to his site. Those delinked can also delink him too. He only harms himself.
Bloggers have to stand on their own two feet and Charles at LGF stands tall... the delinker hasn't the guts to stand up and take the flak...

56 James O'  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 5:28:17pm

I am commenting now.

57 Photios  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 5:40:20pm

Donna V. #47
I LOVE Billy Goat's. Chicago is my home town. I used to lunch there frequently. How I miss it.

Charles -
Nobody attacks the unimportant. You are shining a light in a corner of world politics that the Left® would prefer to keep dark.

Why?

Because you, no doubt, love your country.

They hate it.

Slightly OT;
I love it when a Leftie®, believing himself to be courageous, says that GWB is a moron, or idiot, or whatever. It is good when one's enemy underestimates one.

58 Robert Crawford  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 5:51:49pm

#51 -- Ya know, I have no problem when authors use "her" in an attempt to sound "inclusive", but Christ, people, it sounds dumb as hell to change genders inside a single sentence. May I hereby suggest a new rule of grammar:

In a sentence all instances of a pronoun referring to the same antecedent must have the same gender.

It may be necessary to extend that rule to the paragraph level. After all, how quickly do sex changes work?

59 Andrew  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 6:06:08pm

The principal author of that site, one James M. Capozzola, often trolls other sites, occasionally posting comments under assumed names. Sometimes these comments are designed to attract attention to his own site. He has also been known to "flame" on some other site merely in his effort to build hits to his own site when the aggrieved party responds. He has also written inflammatory posts about major media figures in his efforts to drum up more hits. One of his early targets, Lloyd Grove of the Washington Post, shot back in a way that embarrassed Capozzola; basically, Lloyd proved what a complete jerkoff Capozzola was by highlighting a number of documented lies that he had written on his site.

He is one sick pup. Among real members of the media, he is considered more of an embarrassment than any thing else.

60 Jeff  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 6:08:14pm

In the words of the immortal Bard, "who gives a rat's ass?"

It's hardly the first time leftist Websites have engaged in selective editing and/or exclusion of those who have the temerity to disagree with them (can you say Democratic Underground, boys and girls? I knew you could!).

Personal acquaintances of mine have been victimized...yes, victimized! by such nefarious activity. My good friends Benedict Quisling-Petain (co-chair of Sensitive Nuanced Intellectuals for Surrender Now) and Curtis LeMay (the internationally renowned Urban Renewal Coordinator) have been denied the opportunity to see their electronic signatures on the Not In Our Name petition!

61 Laurence Simon  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 6:10:45pm

One of the things that you hear about in TV and the movies is that the best place to hide something is in plain site.

Charles got a pretty big mention in the past few days, but I don't think anybody noticed it. Very, very subtle. He's the example URL in [Link: www.blogrolling.com...] latest front page news post.

I know, I know... it's not an active link, but it still has that subliminal kind of "Check this site out" power to it, and that counts for something.

62 Glen Wishard  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 6:39:29pm

#39 - Don't thank me, Charles --- I'm not sure who originated that phrase, but I like to attribute it to Cicero, that great anti-Idiotarian of the classical world.

63 Taro  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 7:51:18pm

Maybe another good title would be "Where trolls come to die." They come, they go, kind of like the changing of the guard at Buckingham but without the camera-armed tourists.

64 kathyn  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 7:54:08pm

In the immortal words of Alfred E. Newman..."What, me worry?" If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Charles, you've got the best site going and you are very much appreciated.

65 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 8:05:26pm

Donna V.,

Thank you for thinking of me. I'm sure Nigel is a nice guy. Most South African men are ;-)

Sounds like you had a great time!

66 Sarah eg.  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 8:05:40pm

Amos (#36)

Zulu, this sounds like an image from "A Man Rides Through", part of Stephen Donaldson's duology, Mordant's Need. Are you a fellow fan?

Hey, I've read the Gap series. It's the only scifi I've ever read. They were good books; gave me terrible nightmares.

67 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 8:13:50pm

Sarah eg.,

I'm still laughing about you!

I was actually about to tell Jim (#50) that his post was hilarious, but you were here too, so I thought I'd just let you know that :-)

68 Geepers  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 8:43:33pm

Charles,

I just added LGF to the Acronym Finder site. Surprisingly there is no other listing for LGF. Since Mr. Capozzola seems to think that he should remove your link from his weblog I figured I would help to counter his repression of LGF. Soon people from all over the world will be seeing T-Shirts, Bike Jerseys, coffee mugs (and hopefully thongs) with LGF on them. Since they probably won’t want to approach the “crazed, hate-filled bigoted racist war-mongers” that are sporting them, they will no doubt rush home to log on and reference the Acronym Finder site to discover its mystical significance, (and URL.) Glad to be able to help the LGF cause.

69 Sarah eg.  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 9:06:38pm

Zulubaby,

Gosh. I think I've just found the third person on earth who gets my jokes. Maybe you could come with me to parties and laugh when no one else does, just to sort of diffuse the awkwardness. Like this:

Sarah: "And then the Capuchin monk says 'You idiot! That dog just ran off with the coffee table!'"
Cute guy 1: "...I don't get it."
Cute guy 2: "...Huh?"
Zulubaby: "That's the most brilliant joke I've ever heard in my life!"
Cute guy 1: "Just kidding! Ha ha!"
Cute guy 2: "Oh--the dog. Ha! "

70 mommydoc  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 9:13:09pm

Glen Wishard--that was one of our "basic sentences" in high school latin, along with vestis virum reddit, elepantum non capit murem, manus manum lavat and rem non spem, factum non dictum quaeret amicus. I didn't know they were actually famous sayings!

My grammar/spelling may be off. It's been many years...

71 Throbert McGee  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 9:40:59pm

You need me along, too, Sarah.

Sarah: "And then the Capuchin monk says 'You idiot! That dog just ran off with the coffee table!'"
Cute guy 1: "...I don't get it."
Cute guy 2: "...Huh?"
Zulubaby: "That's the most brilliant joke I've ever heard in my life!"
Cute guy 1: "Just kidding! Ha ha!"
Cute guy 2: "Oh--the dog. Ha! "
Throbert: "Say, that reminds me of time I saw a dog getting fucked by a raccoon."
Cute guy 1: "Ee-eeee-eew, did not need to hear that..."
Cute guy 2: "No way, dude! A raccoon? Man, that rocks!"
Throbert: "Okay, Sarah, you take #2, I'll take #1."

(Of course, if I'm in a less generous mood, I might leave you to talk about Sex and the City with Cute Guy 1, while I go pour liquor into the other one and ask him whether he's ever thought about, you know, with a buddy, but just watching each other, no weird shit or anything...)

72 moose  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:04:08pm

I doubt it's Tyler Patterson - his posts have been almost illiterate, and have shown a remarkable lack of logic. At least this guy can put a sentence together.

My vote is Young Goodman Brown - I got into a lengthy (and kind of silly) argument with him a few days ago about racist jokes, and he used the same phrase -"bright line" - that he uses here. This and other linguistic similarities lead me to conclude that this is our troll.

73 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:19:04pm

Throbert,

Throbert: "Okay, Sarah, you take #2, I'll take #1."

Did you just shove me out the way?

74 Throbert McGee  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:45:58pm

You snooze, you lose, zulubaby...

(But don't worry -- there's plenty of straight guys to go around...)

75 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:50:46pm

Throbert,

I was not snoozing! You pushed me! I'm telling my mom on you.

76 Sarah eg.  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:56:22pm

Zulubaby, he probably did you a favour, because look what happens next:

Sarah: "#2 used the word 'dude' in a wholes like a little girl. Take both of them. I'll just be over here waiting for the reincarnation of Rudyard Kipling."
Dashingly Handsome and Wealthy Nuclear Physicist: "Zulubaby, these people are beginning to frighten me. Let's get out of here. I know a charming little bistro in Buenos Aires."
Sarah and Throbert: "Damn."

77 Throbert McGee  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:59:05pm

Or, zulubaby, you and Sarah could share Cute Guy #2; I hear that some men dig that...

Of course, that's still assuming that I don't selfishly grab him away from the two of you. (''Say, cute straight guy, let's ditch the chicks, change into sweatpants -- nah, we don't really need shirts -- and I'll show you some of the awesome grappling moves I learned in my martial arts class! But first, why not have another shot of Jack Daniels?'')

78 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 10:59:19pm

Sarah eg.,

Besides which, I'd rather know up front if he was gay, right?

O.K. Throbert, you're forgiven. Just this once ;-)

79 Sarah eg.  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:02:17pm

Ooh weird, what happened to my sentence? What's that weird little square thing? It was supposed to read "#2 used the word 'dude' in a wholly unironic, nonpostmodern sense, and #1 whines like a little girl."

Twilight zone.

80 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:03:06pm

Sarah eg.,

How did you know I had a thing for Nuclear Physicists!?

81 kanji  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:03:10pm
"[LGF] have allowed their site to become a vile cesspool of racism, bigotry, prejudice, ignorance, and hate."

My God! Is Rittenhouse into oil futures? Oops, that might be Ignorance.

Apparently being pro-Israel (and/or anti-Militant Islam) pigeonholes the readers of LGF. Is it uncivil discourse to call a Murdering Suicide Bomber a hyena? Oh, well, maybe that's Racism or Hate.

If we comment -- in opposition of Rittenhouse -- that the families who prouldly send their kids off to commit these heinous acts are anything but loving, are WE guilty of Prejudice? If we say that Plaestinian's embrace a culture of death then it must be Bigotry .

After the past 26 months, when you realize that the "injured" mostly die, or their lives are never the same, due to nails and ball bearings embedded in their organs, I begin to forget the aforementioned classifications when discussing the enemies of the civilized world.

It's so obvious. Please.

82 Throbert McGee  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:03:57pm

I'll just be over here waiting for the reincarnation of Rudyard, Kipling

Do you always kiple while you're waiting for this Rudyard fellow, Sarah?

(I know that putting in the comma was cheating, but it's late, dammit...)

83 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:04:53pm

Yes, it did do a weird thingy there, but then it showed up.

Hilarious.

Throbert, eat your heart out!

84 kanji  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:22:55pm

P.S. Read the latest Mark Steyn piece. Highly recommended:

[Link: www.nationalpost.ca...]

85 Glen Wishard  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:42:11pm

My chances are diminishing:

How did you know I had a thing for Nuclear Physicists!?

Okay, I'm not a nuclear physicist. But I did once write a letter to President Clinton, demanding a workable Unified Field Theory by the year 2000. Which, of course, I didn't get.

Now I'm probably on some really weird list that the Secret Service keeps. That ought to count for something.

86 RayC  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:49:58pm


I find the posters here are HONEST, and even if their particular opinion is harsh, generally its well researched and backed up by evidence. Not so on many another blog !

So please don't let this fool change the way you guys post. I enjoy reading , and most especially, LEARNING when i read all the links that are posted here.

I'm proud to be in your company, even tho I don't post much...mostly because I get here so late at night that everything i might have wanted to say is already said.

Keep up the good work ! :-)

87 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 22, 2002 11:55:08pm

Glen Wishard,

Okay, I'm not a nuclear physicist.

Well then are you at least Dashingly Handsome and Wealthy?

88 OverWatch  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 12:37:23am

Now, however, I have decided it’s time to take a stand.
I can no longer in good conscience include on the Rittenhouse Review’s blogroll any weblog that has provided a permanent blogroll link of its own to the site known as “Little Green Footballs” or “LGF.”

This is terrible! Have the White House, N0. 10 and the Knesset been informed of this calamity yet?

In the face of power of this magnitude I can only suggest immediate withdrawal of all UK and US forces from Muslim lands and Israels immediate withdrawal to the 1948 borders prior to total evacuation of the population to the USA within the next week.

Why did no one see this killer blow to all that we hold dear coming? - What were the FBI and the Mossad playing at?

I think i'm going to flee into the hills before the inevitable rounding up and trial for crimes against humanity of all LFG posters.

89 Nastification Agenda  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 1:17:05am

I have been trying to identify the creep, and have reduced the candidates to three: HE IS EITHER TOMMY CHONG, ABDULLAH GUEVARA OR PEPE ESCOBAR.

www.globaldevelopment.org/pepe.jpg

90 AMac  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 2:45:57am

Charles,

It's jarring to a non-regular visitor to the comments sections to see the free-wheeling mix of intelligent mini-essays (E. Nough, J. Lichty, Mommydoc...), nuke-the-Muslims hate and anger, back-and-forth snippets, and multiculti outrage, sincere and trollish both. Is there any way of separting the wheat from the chaff (or defining 'wheat')?

Maybe not--the threads with posts from Arab News employees were fascinating, as was the contrast of Anil Dash's generally moderate and reasoned site and his inflammatory comments on LGF.

It's heartening to drop-ins like me to see the venom of both left and right condemned, though I can see how it gets tiresome fast for regulars. Mommydoc for one has urged, ignore the trolls.

The subject of this thread is a website which is to my tastes boring, and as noted earlier, the owner's open to charges of hypocrisy (no comments of his own, links to bigoted multiculti sites). But how do you run a popular website with comments that don't repel first-time visitors? Maybe the idea you floated last week of registration is the best idea, even at the expense of some brilliant and fascinating posts? Just my 2 cents.

91 HA  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 2:47:33am

I think Charles should get back at him by LINKING to him so his legions of readers can witness for themselves the intellectual and moral emptiness of the left.

Free speech is beautiful.

92 M. Simon  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 5:32:56am

#90,

Humans who use the proper tools have an excellent way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

It is called using your mind.

There is an old book which suggests another method "if thine eye offends thee pluck it out".

I hate hearing lefty drivel. I save myself the pain by not going to those places that have it in abundance.

If Americans are too squeamish to withstand hard opinions how will they ever be able to hold on to what they have got when the fascists come knocking?

93 steve miller  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 6:08:42am

I'm sorry, but who is this Rittenhouse guy? Is he in any way important?

And now back to our regular programming.

94 Meryl Yourish  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 6:45:19am

I think I'll link to everyone who doesn't link to Rittenhouse Review.

Naaaah. Too much work, and not enough room on my page.

95 Mike  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 7:56:30am

I never heard of your sight until I read it over at Rittenhouse Review. So there. And won't be back. Have fun with each other.

96 Eric  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 8:20:16am

Mike #95...
Oh yeah? Well, we've never heard of you, either! So THERE!
Hah!
Neener neener!
Take that, you... you... poopiehead!

(sigh)

Some people can be so immature. Thank heavens my rubber duckie collection agrees with me.

97 Bill Peschel  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 8:55:29am

Let me point out again that Rittenhouse (I loved her character in "Animal Crackers", playing opposite Groucho Marx) does have comments, in a fashion. In the Links column, he has "Letters to the Rittenhouse Review."

And if you want to go after him for that, you might as well take down Andrew Sullivan as well. He does the same thing. Wait a minute, you don't think they're the same, do you?

98 Minstrel  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 9:38:08am

This fellow reminds me of a story my speech teacher told the class my senior year:

"When I was in high school, I was surrounded by a group of guys. Whenever I said something, they were right there: 'Yeah, uh-huh, that's right'. [yes-men, basically] Then I went to college and found out that . . . there were people who disagreed with me. I was in shock. And then I got over it and learned to think for myself."

Except that our friend here hasn't quite gotten to that last stage yet.

I had an A in the class, BTW. He was a really good teacher.

99 Minstrel  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 9:54:57am

#96 Eric:

Thank heavens my rubber duckie collection agrees with me.

At last, a kindred spirit.

100 Throbert McGee  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 10:03:28am

Let me point out again that Rittenhouse (I loved her character in "Animal Crackers", playing opposite Groucho Marx) does have comments, in a fashion. In the Links column, he has "Letters to the Rittenhouse Review."

The letters section is a fuckin' hoot, too -- it's hard to pick out highlights from such rich offerings, but I'll point to:

(a) Capozzola's ostentatious flagging of minor typos in a letter from a (presumably) right-leaning critic, in order to make the writer seem illiterate. [L00zeR! I'll bet he likes to lecture innocent bystanders for saying "Hopefully, it won't rain tomorrow," too. -- Ed.]

(b) A link to an earlier pile of logorrhea in which Rittenhouse says ''My initial reaction to Murtaugh’s question was one that might best be characterized as dumbfounded, given that I [was not] familiar with the phenomenon of 'left-wing homophobia.''' [And there's no anti-black racism among Yankee liberals, either. I won't bore everyone with examples of ''left-wing homophobia'' drawn from my own personal experience, but Capozzola's obliviousness to the very possibility of this ''phenomenon'' is pathetic. -- Ed.]

Say -- speaking of the Letters to Rittenhouse page, does anyone feel like a bit of counter-trolling? He'd obviously love to hear from likeminded lefties who support his courageous step in delinking from LGF-linked sites, as well as from liberals who want to rake him over the coals for stooping to the censorious level of fascists like Charles. So maybe we could send him a few, except with a few well-concealed Troll Markers. For example, did you know that the name Gail S. LeFortee anagrams to ''Get a life, loser''?

P.S. Capozzola's scare-quotes dismissal of ''left-wing homophobia'' is even more pathetic coming from an apparent finook -- although I concede it's possible that an enlightened, psychologically secure het dude would admit to finding the covers of Men's Health aesthetically pleasing. (I mean, assuming you're a straight guy who prefers the waxed-chest look... shudder!)

101 Eric  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 11:52:59am

Minstrel #99...

If it wasn't for rubber duckies, where would the world be today? A soothing influence upon the worried brows of the land.

Go ahead, trolls... call THAT hate speech!

102 zulubaby  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 12:50:49pm

He does, however, have links to these websites:

The Jewish Committee Of The Middle East

Jewish Unity for a Just Peace

Jewish Voices Against Israel's Occupation of Palestinian Territories

Jews Not Zionists

Not In My Name (Not to be confused with Not In Our Name. "You have reached the site of Not In My Name, which is a predominantly, though not exclusively Jewish group, based in Chicago, that is opposed the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territories.").

Palestine Independent Media Center

Palestine Media Watch

And all sorts of other crap...

I've never seen a website with so many links. Not only that, but it deserves the "Most Awkward Website To Negotiate In The World Lifetime Achievement Award".

What an idiot. After looking at his site a little more carefully, it makes perfect sense to me that he doesn't like Little Green Footballs. And he's a bore. He took a Gender Test which proves he's a man. He must be so relieved. It's obviously been worrying him.

103 MarkC  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 2:44:40pm

Charles,

Here's an excerpt of an interview with Capozzola at The Lefty Directory. The first sentence explains his fraudulent hissy fit....


Interviewer: You’re among the better known new bloggers. What do you think helped you break out of the pack?

J.C.: A combination of factors. At the start we picked a few fights with people in the news in an effort to draw some attention to ourselves. But after that, I truly think we caught readers’ attention by consistently publishing interesting, provocative, and thoughtful articles on a wide variety of issues. We weren’t particularly aggressive about alerting people to pieces we wrote about them. I just wasn’t comfortable with that.

Also helpful were some early discoveries, plugs, or “props,” if you will, from Eric Alterman, Justin Raimondo, Media Whores Online, Cursor, and The Hamster. All of them enjoy high levels of traffic, so even catching a sliver of their visitors helped build a critical mass. Of course keeping people coming back is a different story entirely.

104 Jason  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 3:40:44pm

If you will scroll through his archives, you will find his acknowledgement of his homosexuality, and his difficulties in adjusting to that reality. Apparently he is also HIV positive and his status contributed to the death of a boyfriend or two. He has apparently also had problems in holding onto jobs, having lost several in recent years. One gets the impression that his website is his last hope, in effect holding off suicide. A truly dispiriting situation.

105 moose  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 8:27:26pm

#104 - jason


Wow! I almost feel sorry for the idiot.

106 packsoldier  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 9:31:10pm

Why give the jackass the time of day, let alone a link to his sorry-ass website? I think you got burned on this one Charles...this bozo got exactly what he wanted.

107 mommydoc  Sat, Nov 23, 2002 11:43:03pm

AMac--I was gone all day, but thank you so much for the double compliment--intelligent mini-essays and mentioning me in the same breath with E.Nough and J.Lichty. Wow. You made my day, really.

108 Jennifer  Sun, Nov 24, 2002 6:49:40am

"But the real point is -- he admits he was trolling LGF!"

Where does he say he was trolling?

I see he wrote "I know because I have tested it several times", but that doesn't mean he was trolling. It could be he was honestly, earnestly, making a point, a point which was very much close to the edge, and in the process "tested" the limits. Not trolling, per se.

Doesn't mean he's not an ass though.

109 Bill Peschel  Sun, Nov 24, 2002 10:54:34am

Jennifer, let me direct your attention to Charles' post in #23, where he says:

He has never posted a comment here under his own name. If I did delete something he left (which I probably didn't, because I delete very few comments), it's because he was obviously trolling, or was insulting, or a similar reason.

Considering that Capozzola/Mrs. Rittenhouse attempts to mimic George Will in his prose, he would have to write something deliberately offensive in order to get banned. Anything he posts on his site would have been left alone on lgf, if only for the humor value.

110 Craig  Sun, Nov 24, 2002 12:34:24pm

As did #104, I scrolled through some of his previous postings. While I found nothing on his HIV status or death of a lover (there were, however, references to ex-lovers), I did come away with a distinct impression that this is one angry and nasty individual. He proudly proclaimed that he referred to others as "faggots," he posted comments that made fun of others whose HIV status was apparently bad, disparaged people with references to "anal warts," and on and on.

I came away thinking that this is a sorry mxxxxxfxxxxr.

111 Throbert McGee  Sun, Nov 24, 2002 9:48:20pm

''Jason'' plays a sad violin for poor Capozzola:

Apparently he is also HIV positive and his status contributed to the death of a boyfriend or two. He has apparently also had problems in holding onto jobs, having lost several in recent years. One gets the impression that his website is his last hope, in effect holding off suicide. A truly dispiriting situation.

While ''Craig'' begs to differ:

While I found nothing on his HIV status or death of a lover (there were, however, references to ex-lovers), I did come away with a distinct impression that this is one angry and nasty individual. He proudly proclaimed that he referred to others as "faggots," he posted comments that made fun of others whose HIV status was apparently bad, disparaged people with references to "anal warts,"

I went through the Rittenhouse archives at random, giving him a few dozen page hits in the process. And guess what? I didn't spot a single reference to dead lovers or his own HIV status; nor did I see any mockery of people with HIV or epithets like ''faggot,'' even in Capozzola's references to Andrew Sullivan, whom he obviously dislikes.

Could I have simply missed the posts in which he shared the sad details of his personal life, or the posts in which he made crude homophobic attacks on ideological enemies? Possibly, but if you take a glance through his archives, you will notice [once you winnow through the many, many instances of gay victimology and the cataloging of misdeeds committed by the J-E-W-S against the Palestinians --Ed.] a distinct absence of:

* any personal information (he uses the editorial ''we'' throughout)

* rude invectives like ''faggot''

Conclusion: ''Jason'' (#104) and ''Craig'' (#110), then, are both sock puppets on the grubby little fists of James Capozzola himself, in order to trick schlubs like me into digging around in the archives, and thus driving up his page hits. (What I'm wondering is, apart from me and the fictitious twins, did anyone else bother to go into his archives?)

Damn, I see now that I seriously understated the case when I called Capozzola a loser.

112 steve miller  Mon, Nov 25, 2002 5:22:08am

Sigh...

It's a terrible thing to be delinked by James Capricola (or whatever his name is). I'm surprised that we have all been able to maintain our equilibrium after this shocking development.

Ahh...

Ok, I'm over it.

Now, what were we talking about? Oh yeah. World events. Politics. Culture. People. Life. Fun. Joy. Laughter.

113 Craig  Mon, Nov 25, 2002 9:09:25am

THROBERT MCGEE Your random approach to Capozzola's archives overlooked the items that I was referring to in my comments. Following is an extended excerpt from a late October column entitled, "The Politics of Projection." Much of this post had to do with the Sullivan fellow you mentioned:

"... I’ll call any gay man I want to “a drama queen,” “a theater queen,” “a steroid queen,” “a silly faggot,” or “a nasty faggot,” and I couldn’t care less what Sullivan thinks, even if I were to choose to do so here. Such terms, and much worse, are bandied about with what I have to say is deafening and mind-numbing frequency...."

I couldn't locate the other reference in my initial post, without spending an inordinate amount of time on pretty boring material (multiple columns defending Martha Stewart, nonsensical crap about silly girl musicals, etc.) I can assure you that he had very nasty things to say about an HIV positive.

I stand behind my original comment that this is a very nasty, boring person.

114 mojo  Mon, Nov 25, 2002 10:31:30am

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

'Nuff said.

115 Richard  Tue, Nov 26, 2002 1:13:56am

Why is he a troll? Putting something you know someone will disagree with is not trolling. You guys should lighten up.

116 Jennie Taliaferro  Sun, Dec 1, 2002 10:11:53pm

I'd bet $100 that Rittenhouse/Mazola or whatever his name is had never linked LGF in the first place.
So the "delinking" was a straw man argument.
Do I have any takers?


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