Of course the UN would accept Israel's story

I mean come on.....doesn't anyone remember october 2000, when the 3 IDF troops were kidnapped by Hizbullah--and the UN had a video of the ordeal, but happened not to mention it to Israel?

Finally the UN "Broke down" and let Israel see the tape, but only with the faces blurred out.

So to think that the UN would actually accept israel's report.....

Of course that "little" detail will be overlooked by the press. Already UN screaming for investigation a la Jenin.

@$$holes and our tax dollars being wasted.

JG

I am sad for the Hook family, although I am no fan (what self respecting Isrealophile could be?) to UNRWA. As horrible as it sounds, mistakes do happen. Will the IDF ever be credited for the fact that this was an accident? No. Why? Because the UN wants the IDF and Isreal itself to back out of the disputed territories with their tails between their legs so that the UN can go in itself with their own peacekeepers. What a crock of horseshit.

Oh my god. They're breaking in. That must have been a horrible feeling. They might as well have been cannibals or headhunters, you know.

Ever hear the one about the missionaries and the cannibals?

I'm just too tired to deal with this tonight.

This is the same UNRWA that allows Hamas to operate bomb-making factories under its protection in the "refugee" camps it runs, and whose entire existence is predicated on the palestinians having a valid gripe against Israel. Blaming Israel is, in effect, their job.

Maybe the UN needs a couple of Jewish guys to beat some sense into them in New York.

I hear Tick Tock Tennenbaum and Kid Twist Reles are in teh neighborhood, Kofi.

UN employees who bear false witness should be prosecuted. Ah, so should the ones who support terrorists.

There's a few problems I have with this story: firstly, if there were Palestinian gunmen who had infiltrated the UN compound (WITHOUT the consent of the UN) then wouldn't the proper thing for the IDF to do be to disengage from the firefight and back-off to avoid the risk of casualties among UN personnel? Couldn't they have laid seige to the compound from a distance? That's what the cops do in similar situations where hostages/innocents are inside a building occupied by armed gunmen.

After all, the UN workers are innocent bystanders, whatever you may feel about the politics of the organisation as a whole. It seems pretty outrageous to me that the IDF would fire on a marked UN compound. That's symbolically an attack on all the countries of the world.

Secondly, the report that Hook was mistaken for a Palestinian gunman (his cellphone was supposedly mistaken for a weapon) is inconsistent with him being shot in the back.

Yes, mistakes do happen, but there seems to be an undercurrent of hostility between the IDF and the UN here which makes it plausible that the IDF regarded the risk of UN casualties as perfectly tolerable in this situation.

UN Judenhass is well known. UN officials will be lying as loudly about this as any jihadi would.

Suppose the IDF hadn't bothered to respond to Hook's call. The UN would still be screaming -- this time that the IDF was responsible, because as the "occupying power," it was required to provide security for the compound.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

In 1989, Hezbollah terrorists kidnapped and murdered Marine Lt. Colonel William Higgins while he was serving with a UN Peacekeeping mission in Lebanon.

A remembrance page for Higgins:

[Link: www.higginspage.com...]

How does the UN remember Higgins? General Paul Vallely visited the UN compound in Lebanon this July and was shocked to see the Hezbollah flag flying, right alongside the UN flag:

[Link: www.frum.org...]

So Israel is damned for the accidental death of Hook, while the men who deliberately murdered Higgins and released gleeful videos of his hanging body get hugs and kisses from the Great Humanitarians.

Not to be intemperate or anything, but f--k them and all their ilk.

#8 goat boy:

I am terribly sorry for Mr. Hook's family, but I think you are not really thinking this through...

"Couldn't they have laid seige to the compound from a distance?"
...like the Church of the Nativity in Beth? The IDF got condemned for that too.

"It seems pretty outrageous to me that the IDF would fire on a marked UN compound"
... and how does it seem to you that pali terrorists first break into same compound, any outrage there?

"That's symbolically an attack on all the countries of the world."
...same as above. also, what does it symbolize when UNWRA "relief' funds are used to indoctrinate racism and hatred and violence in pali children who are nurtured from the craddle to be human bombs? pretty offensive to the all the countries of the world, I'd say.

"an undercurrent of hostility between the IDF and the UN.."

...yep, go figure.

#8 - yes, but the point is not how the IDF acted, it's that the UN lied again about something salient to the discussion as to what was going on there.

Goat Boy, #8:

This group of psychopaths does not have the same mental equipment that you have. They are missing some furniture like scruples, inhibitions,qualms, recriminations, etc. They do not have the same limits or boundaries in their thinking that your thinking is subject to. Your imagination as to what could have happened is limited by boundaries that don't exist in their thinking.

Thus, you cannot think like them. And you cannot reconstruct the situation that transpired.

That group of 'youths,' whether they be European 'soccer hooligans,' or Chinese tongs or any ethnicity, operates like a mob. Haven't you ever seen what happens with a mob of 'yoots?' First of all, their hormones are surging out of control. A few years ago, an English shrink hypothesized that when this happens they produce a pherome in their urine and this is what makes their behavior 'infectious.' It's an interesting theory. But I try not to think about it too much because I can't figure out how that would work, and maybe it's better that I don't know. : -)

I suggest that you withhold judgement and 'blame' until further information emerges. All our knowledge is conditional, and it's best not to rush to judgement, especially in a confusing situation with seemingly conflicting statements or in the heat of war. I think I recently heard a fellow call it the 'fog' of war. Well, whatever.

Well, the UN was cheated of it's "Jenin massacre." What a disappointment that must have been. So now they have a chance to sic the dogs on the "brutal" Israelis once again.

Photios:

Next time you find yourself in Sweet Home Chicago, be sure and post something. Maybe we LGFer's can get together again for cheeseburgers at Billy Goat's:-)

Oh my god. They're breaking in... They might as well have been cannibals or headhunters, you know.

I was thinking "velociraptors."

Although raptors are more mediagenic than most Palestinians, and make cooler action figures.

They've got bipedalism in common, though.

"Secondly, the report that Hook was mistaken for a Palestinian gunman (his cellphone was supposedly mistaken for a weapon) is inconsistent with him being shot in the back."

Uh, no.

Holding small object at head level at distance over 10m, during a firefight is a BAD IDEA. It sorta', you know, looks like, oh...

YOU'RE WALKING AROUND WITH A GUN RAISED!!

Ever seen people, be it in real life or on film, walking around with a pistol at high ready? Good, thought so. Ever seen it at 10 yards? They may well be holding a cell. Ever seen that during a firefight, when people are trying to kill you? Didn't think so. I can imagine, though, that it's a bad idea unless you have your tightie-whities on a stick for a white flag in the other hand.

I wonder why didnt Mr. Hook, whose death is truly tragic, did not call on the poeple UNWRA had bee nhelping for over 50 years fro help?
Was there no one among the pious, pece loving, freedom-aspiring Palestinians woh owuld help their benefactors?
Why call on those brutal oppressors?
Maybe Mr. Hook was more pragmaitcal than one would assume based on his membership in UNWRA.

goat boy,
one more thing.
Police enclose a compound when the kdnappers hold hostages, when the bad guys are shootin at cops from inside, they call in the cavalry and go inside.
Besides, theo notion that Israel should back off out of Pali areas fo fear of civillian casualties makes me wonder what do you know about what is going on?
Israel has no choice bt hunt the animal among civiliians, becasue this is were they operate from, relying on that for protection.

It's not as though they have camps in the coonury and Israel insists on fighting home in the city, u know

Yet another cautionary tale: allowing international "mediators" and "monitors" to intrude themselves between the two sides would be a disaster. Inevitably there will be deaths (provoked by the Palestinians), inevitably Israel will be blamed, inevitably Israel will have to cede more and more control over strategic assets.

Another point. Can't quite recall the details, but in the past year the Palestinians assassinated one or more UN workers, a hue and cry arose when Israel was first blamed, then all of a sudden coverage stopped when it became clear that the Palestinians had done it.

I think by now that the evidence is going to prove that this man's killing was an unfortunate accident. Not something to be proud of, in my mind at least, or to condone but one of those things that happens in the real world. Civilians get killed in war, declared and undeclared both.

The problem that a lot of people seem to be having is disassociating this man from the organization he worked for. You don't have to respect or have sympathy for the UN to scrape some together for Mr. Hook, at least to the extent that you don't openly advocate the killing of more UN workers. I say this knowing full well the drubbing that is going to come my way from some of the more rabid members of the board. Not all UN workers are part of an evil cabal bent on the destruction of Judaism. Many UN field workers are ideologues who want to help and even more are simply contract workers there for the pay.

Not all Germans were Nazis. Not all Russians were Communist. Not all Serbs were butchers. Not all Bosnians were innocent. Not all Muslims are jihadis. And, I daresay, most UN workers do not deserve to be killed.

As long as the UN is launching an investigation I have another thing for them. Remember back in the spring two UN peacekeepers (I think they were Turkish) were shot? Initially the Israelis were blamed, then the suvivor claimed it was the pals who shot them and the story disappeared. Maybe the same UN group could spend a few minutes on that as long as they are in the area.

Can anyone find the news stories on this? I just googled and was unsucessful. Thanks

Poor Israel. keeps trying to be a bona fide member of a club that doesn't want it (the UN), and its' such a shitty club, too.

Not all Germans were Nazis. Not all Russians were Communist. Not all Serbs were butchers. Not all Bosnians were innocent.

Well, Mr. Bez, enough germans were nazis, at least in spirit, to allow the ones who were nazis, in fact, to murder, in cold blood, 12,000,000 people.

This UN dude, rebuilding homes of terrorists destroyed by Israel as part of a partially effective anti terrorist policy was not one of the good guys, it would seem. If he was, he would have been in one of the real hell holes of the world, where black and brown people are dropping like flies from simple starvation or arsenic poisoning (horn of africa, bangladesh, respectively) or being chopped into mince meat (pick a central african country), or raped and beaten into slavery (mauritania, sudan).

That he chose to rebuild homes for people who support the destruction of innocents speaks volumes about the man.

Save your platitudes.

If anther UN worker gets in the way, and a choice has to be made between risking an israeli soldier (who has the moral high ground) and blowing the UN worker out of the way, I would encourage the latter, and not lose a moment's peace of mind.

He was rebuilding homes, does that deserve death? In my mind no.

Do Hitler and the Nazi party's atrocities condemn all Germans to death?

Don't tar everyone at the UN with the same brush. There are good and decent people there. The organization is horribly corrupted by the pseudo-democracy which exists there and I don't think it can be fixed, i.e. the UN is worthless, but that doesn't justify killing everyone therein.

the UN is worthless, but that doesn't justify killing everyone therein

Bez, I don't mean to be mean, and I know you mean well, but do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

Nice, thanks Michael.

I posted my first response for the benefit of some others who are more rabid than you. Something for them to think about.

I accept this was an accident but there are a lot of people on here that say it wouldn't matter if it wasn't. If the IDF conveniently started killing UN workers in their way it wouldn't bother them an iota. Scroll up and look.

You said:

If anther UN worker gets in the way, and a choice has to be made between risking an israeli soldier (who has the moral high ground) and blowing the UN worker out of the way, I would encourage the latter, and not lose a moment's peace of mind.

What qualifies as getting in the way and what qualifies as holding a cell phone?

This was an isolated and accidental incident, I think. I don't like people saying that it doesn't matter if it wasn't an accident. Do you understand?

bez, what about the Isreali settlements. The settlers only built homes yet the Palestinians have made it clear that they deserve death as a result.

#29.

The settlers are a touchy issue but nothing can be used as an excuse to barge into people homes and murder them in their sleep. I think the Palestinians forfeited pretty much any sympathy they had garnered months or even years ago. Suicide bombing is disgusting. So is the deliberate targetting of civilians. The one that really got to me was the bombing of the disco...last year I think? That could have been my brother, he was those kids age.

That's a different matter though. I consider the Israeli/Palestinian conflict pretty much an undeclared war. However much the UN pisses everyone off, it's a neutral (technically) humanitarian organization and should be respected.

Civilians do not belong in combat zones.

Beligerants do not belong in civilian areas. People who hide behind civilians to shoot at others are contemptible cowards unworthy of any sympathy and lower than pigs.

One part few people seem to be picking up on, is the fact that these UN workers were in contact with the Israel at all. Let's look at that quote again:

Hi Peter, it's Iain here. I'm just making a progress report, really.

This seems to suggest that the UNRWA employees were in regular contact with the IDF, and coordinated with them. Mr. Hook was even on a first-name basis with an israeli officer. This, to me, suggests that UNRWA was not nearly as pro-terrorist and anti-israel as many here like to pretend.

#26,

Do Hitler and the Nazi party's atrocities condemn all Germans to death?

Until the war is over, yes.

Most unfortunate

Here's something UN-related. They are renovating their building in NYC and guess who is paying for it? That's right, we're giving them a $1.3 billion interest-free loan. The plan is problem-ridden, just like anything the UN does these days. All the info right here. What do we get for this grant ( no interest = negative interest because of inflation anyway)? Bitching, whining, and calls for "international cooperation," or in other words, the Butchers of Beijing and the Weenies of Paris tell us what to do. It's b.s. I tell ya.

#17, Throbert:

That is sooo funny! ROTFLMAO !

If it weren't so grim, it would be funny.

Hell, it's funny anyway.

OT: Go now, without delay, and read both Thomas Friedman and Salman Rushdie in the New York Times.

Be amazed at what you read there. Moderate positions, for certain, but definitely fine positions in my book. You may all tear them apart, but coming from the old grey lady, it's pretty impressive.

Maybe they've been reading LGF?

When a 'Terrorist' Is a 'Militant' and Why.

People who blow up innocent civilians are regarded as terrorists and barbarians, except where they target
and murder Jews. In that case they are "activists," "militants," people with
legitimate grievances, people whose demands must be met and with whom a deal must be struck.

The Big Brave jihad Warrior

'Hate Crime' Statistics Lie

Check out what is, and is not, considered a "hate crime."

Do the politically correct consider the 9/11 atrocities to be "love crimes"?

But wait, there's more. As the
Wichita Massacre
illustrates, prosecutors often refuse to classify vicious attacks against whites as "hate crimes." Many people know about the evil murder of James Byrd, but very few could identify the victims of Reginald and Jonathan Carr.

Likewise, many Americans know about the despicable murder of Matthew Shepard, but few know about the equally vile murder of young Jesse
Dirkhising.

Be sure to thank the P.C. media establishment.

UNRWA legal adviser's husband investigated

The husband of UNRWA legal adviser Allegra Pacheko, who was arrested in his Dehaishe home on November 22, is under investigation by the Shin Bet for security reasons.

#23 Shifra...

[Link: www.israelinsider.com...]

" I was sitting in the back seat, my male colleague drove, and the female colleague sat next to him," Turkish observer Capt. Hussein Osam Salam told Israel Radio. "We saw a Palestinian wearing a police uniform, armed with a Kalashnikov, standing in the middle of the road. He pointed the weapon at us and fired. We called out that we are from TIPH."

Despite the fact that their vehicle was clearly marked in red with the organization's logo, the Palestinian continued to shoot, Salam said. "My colleagues were hit. The driver's blood splashed on my face, and I was hit, too. He emptied his magazine, didn't check to see if we were all dead, and fled."

FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology

By Lee Harris

32 david

This man had been working for UN less than one year..a few months actually....

between 10 and 20 THOUSAND arabs work for UNRWA

SA (#41)

I don't mean to be rude, but are you crazy!? All we need is a link!

Wow--I'm suprised that the Times let Friedman's piece run--it's "moderate" ;) Factual none the lss--however, he forgot to mention that Israeli generals express REMORSE and REGRET when a child is accidently killed.

39 GI JOE

[Link: www.radcliffe.edu...]

Allegra Pacheco attorney in Ramallah......

[Link: www.radcliffe.edu...]

Iain Banks: "Hi Peter, it's Iain here. I'm just making a progress report, really. We're pinned down in the compound. The shabab have knocked a hole in the wall, which I'm not happy about at all. I'm trying to keep them out, and I will just keep my people pinned down in the corner until I hear from you. OK? Over."

Charles Johnson: "I hope he isn't too old to fully enjoy his 72 virgins".

#43

I am new at this. I apologize and here is the link:

Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology
[Link: www.policyreview.org...]

Can my previous message be deleted? If so, can someone do it for me? Thanks.

46:

Again, Charles was making fun of the fact that he got promoted to martyr, not the man himself. Does this brilliant flash of 4th grade reading comprehension need to be impacted into your head to make it stick?

And maybe you missed the thread where Charles cleared that point up. Or maybe you didn't, and are being ignorant on purpose.

From the article: "Lerner said that the Israeli military is conducting a complete investigation of the incident, but complained that the United Nations has not allowed the army to talk to other international workers at the UNRWA compound in the Jenin camp."

Why should the IDF conduct an investigation of the death of a UN official, if the UN itself hampers the investigation.
What could be the UN's reasons?
1. Reluctance that facts detrimental either to itself or the Palestininas be discovered.
2. Aiding terrorists, out of ideology or appeasement because of fear.
3. General tendency not to cooperate with Israel in any matter, as in the case of the Hizbullah killing/kidnapping IDF troops under the watchful eye of "peacekeeping UN forces".

I hope all foreign UN workers in the disputed territories learn from this and move to other places, in which UN compounds do not serve as firing positions to terrorists.

SA (#47)

Sorry that I yelled at you. Don't worry about it, I'm sure Charles will take care of it in the morning. And thank you for the link :-)

## 42, 43, 47

Here's a better link to Harris's excellent article, which was also featured in WSJ's OpinionJournal. OpinionJournal does a wonderful job of unearthing anti-idiotarian gems, such as this recent article on the need for an Islamic reformation.

I think all of the UN needs to visit the West Bank. When the Pali's attack the UN again, they'll all be there to know not to support them.

I know that the guy who got shot was pretty upset with them and blamed them for everything, but of course, he's dead and the UN is denying anything he said against the Pali's before he died. The UN don't even care about each other.

They might as well send their children out with guns to be killed so they can blame it on Israel, and then cry poor-us like the Pali's do to their kids.

The UN use their dead for political propeganda instead of respecting the dead. I'm sickened.
They have resorted to sissy-terrorism.

"Many UN field workers are ideologues who want to help"

Yes, pro-Palestinian ideologues who want to help the suicide bombers.

"and even more are simply contract workers there for the pay"

Mercenaries helping the suicide bombers.

If you go to Palestine to rebuild the houses of suicide bombers' families you are, by your actions picking sides, and you're supporting the bad guys.

UNRWA is the terrorist army's quartermasters. If you're a UNRWA worker the only moral thing to do is quit and leave.

When people are shooting at you, you have two options... return fire, or die. (Running away gets you shot in the back, and taking cover only works if the shooters aren't using assault rifles, or you have a tank handy.) The IDF doesn't like to choose the latter, and I don't blame them.

Regarding our other topic, no, not all German soldiers were Nazis. But what mattered is that those who weren't Nazis were willing to fight for, kill for, and die for, those that were. So yes, they had to die, no matter how wonderful a person they might have been otherwise. In a similar vein, those UN members who aren't doing boneheaded things are still giving their allegiance to people who are basically engaging in a war by proxy with the US. Screw them.

ploome,

She sounds like a pinko commie whose ideals is the ultimate 'equality' for earth entities at the expense of reality, go figure.

#51,

Thank so much for the link to the WSJ's Opinion Journal. Excellent article!!!

#51,

Thank so much for the link to the WSJ's Opinion Journal. Excellent article!!!

More about Iain Hook's death:

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Then there was Azmi Abu Hilayel, whose son Na'el strapped himself with dynamite and blew up an Israeli bus with school kids. Azmi was quoted as saying: "I thanked God when I heard that my son had died in an operation for the sake of God and the homeland." I can't believe that the God of Islam, a God of mercy and compassion, would bless killing anyone's kids. Believe me, I know Israeli soldiers have killed dozens of Palestinian children during the intifada. That is shameful. But I don't hear Israeli generals, parents or rabbis thanking God their sons could kill Muslim kids. Soldiers shooting kids is wrong. Suicide killing is wrong. There is no God that blesses either.

From Friedman's article.

The prick can't write an article without some sort of moral equivalence angle.

Tom, the Arabs know you, and have even called you a filthy jew. You're not fooling anyone.

I just emailed the conversation between Hook and the IDF to the Public Information Officer (PIO) at the UNRWA (Worthless Bastards).

Here is his/her/its email address: unrwa-pio@unrwa.org

#38: GI JOE

I didn't think it would every happen but I agree with you. Hate crimes laws are a joke. When is a murder not an act of hate? You can split hairs but a murder is a murder. Dead is dead. Hate crime laws make killing a white guy like myself less bad than killing a gay white guy or a jewish white guy. BS.

#54

Regarding our other topic, no, not all German soldiers were Nazis

I said Germans, not soldiers in the German army. Remember, UN workers are civilians. On top of that the precedent of killing agents of neutral organizations is a disturbing one. The argument can and has been made that the UN has a bias but the relevant fact is that the world sees it as a neutral arbiter. Even the US goes through the UN to advance it's agenda. Again, I think this past incident was an accident. I only hope that if this happens again it's another accident and not a deliberate decision.

#37, your link is broken, here's a working link:

When a 'Terrorist' Is a 'Militant' and Why
[Link: www.newsday.com...]
 

I said Germans, not soldiers in the German army.

No German "civilian" was more than 10 miles away from a concentration camp. The Sgt. Schultz routine holds little water.

The argument can and has been made that the UN has a bias but the relevant fact is that the world sees it as a neutral arbiter.

It doesn't matter, this guy was working among terrorists. Whether he was Mother Theresa, innocent as well as guilty people are killed.

The point here is that the UN did not investigate this before McCann outright said that there was no firefight. The UN immediately said that Jenin was a massacre, in fact Per Hansen and Terje Roed-Larsen outright lied about seeing mass graves and 500 dead. Whether the "rest of the world" thinks the UN is neutral is irrelevant. It is up to us and the "rest of the anti-idiotarian world" to once again prove that they are not.

The point of the post is the UN is once again lying to push its anti-Israel agenda. Hook's politics are irrelevant.

Great article William/GI #62/#37:

It is something we have all said for a very long time, but it is well said once again.

Alitalia flight lands in southern France after apparent hijacking
The Associated Press Nov. 27, 2002

LYON, France - An airplane with 67 passengers on board landed in the southern French city of Lyon on Wednesday afternoon, possibly hijacked from Italy, French officials say.

Authorities in Lyon, France's second-largest city, said that some of the passengers had gotten off the plane and that "a terrorist was on board."

A spokesperson for the National Police in Paris would not confirm or deny whether the plane had been hijacked but said that "the incident was over, without injuries and that a man had given himself up."

France Info radio said the plane belonged to Italian carrier Alitalia and had seven crew members and 67 passengers on board.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Shabat Shalom! Welcome to the Non-Governmental Agency hotline for Israeli Defense Forces.

If Palestinian terrorists are breaking through your compound or settlement's walls or fence, press 1.
If Palestinian terrorists have stolen your flagged-neutral vehicle and filled of explosives in your neighborhood, press 2.
If Reuters cameramen are trying to take your picture and you're currently in a zone delcraed off-limits to the international press, press 3.

Otherwise, please leave a message with your name, number, non-governmental agency, and the full text of your denouncement of the State of Israel and we'll be in contact with you.

*beep*

I find it interesting that Hook was asking the IDF to aid him in keeping the Palestinian riff-raff out of the UNRWA compound. He seemed to be on a first name basis with an IDF officer who he expected to help him.

Hook was cut down in the midst of a Shabab-o-rama.

He shouldn't have been there.

Now that I've gotten some sleep, I wanted to convey a serious thought.

Regardless of what the IDF kid may have said or even what he sincerely believes, there is still room for a surprise here. When they do an autopsy, they will do a ballistics examination, and it will show what kind of bullet killed Mr. Hooks. Try to remain patient and a little skeptical until the ballistic report. If the ballistics report shows it's something like a Chinese bullet or came from a Kallishnekov, it doesn't matter what the IDF kid believes.

I feel bad about Mr. Hooks, but his family may tell us that he felt 'Called' to be there or to work for that agency. If he felt Called, then I don't feel it is appropriate for me to say 'he shouldn't have been there' because it would seem like I am trying to delegitimize his religious beliefs. If he felt Called, then perhaps he had a Heavenly Appointment that would be beyond human control. We would say that the Angel of Death came specifically for him or Christians might say it was Jesus who came for him.

Anyway, let's see what the ballistics report shows. And it is also possible that we may never ascertain exactly what happened there.

While it is a matter for regret whenever civilians are killed, the cell phone call from Hook shows that there is, at the very least, a strong suggestion that Palestinians were, in fact, firing at the Israelis from within the UNRWA compound. The report said that the call came in less than an hour before Hook was shot. If the troglodytes were breaching the wall as he was speaking, which he said they were, then an hour would have been more than enough time for them to have gained entry and started shooting.

Thus, the claims by other UNRWA officials that there were no Palestinians there rings utterly false and smacks of a cover-up intended to protect the Palestinians from the condemnation they deserve for placing UNRWA personnel in harm's way by using them as human shields.

It is predictable that people who spend long periods of time among a particular group will develop personal relationships, a knowledge of the language and culture, and sympathy for the group. It is also counterproductive to express disapproval of what the group is doing if the outsiders want to remain on good terms with the group. The thing that bothers me is that the UN won't admit that UNRWA has "gone native" in this way.

As for the claim that not all Germans were Nazis, etc., I see that statement as an inexact analogy. While German civilians who were not in the military or members of the Nazi Party more or less just went on with their lives during the war (although there is a serious question about their complicity in genocide, since many of them turned in their Jewish fellow citizens with nary a qualm, almost none of them questioned the removal of these fellow citizens to parts unknown, and many of them did live in close proximity to the camps), Hook chose to place himself in the thick of a hot conflict. By doing so, he was no longer just like any other civilian caught up in a war.

I think that his role is more analogous to that of Germans who provided food and other supplies to the camps or who would come up to the electrified fencing or to stopped boxcars to stare at the inmates. They were, by their actions, aiding and abetting genocide, even if they were not directly participating in it.

I've said it before - by choosing to rebuild the homes which were destroyed because they belonged to terrorists and their supportive families, UNRWA took a stand against Israel's attempt to deter would-be terrorists. By doing this, UNRWA took sides and could no longer be considered strictly neutral.

If it had rebuilt houses which were accidentally destroyed by shelling which occurred during a battle between the Israelis and the Palestinians, rendering innocent people homeless, I'd have no problem with UNRWA's rebuilding these homes. But they chose to rebuild the homes which were deliberately destroyed as a punishment for, and deterrent of, terrorism.

The talk about Mr. Hooks's motives for being in Israel or culpability in his own demise is beside the point. What the release of the voice mail transcript reveals is the disgusting hypocrisy of the UN. Mr. Hooks was on a first-name basis with a local IDF officer and apparently had confidence that the officer could and would come to his aid. I commend both Captain Lerner and the late Mr. Hooks.

What is disgusting is that in the aftermath of Mr. Hooks's death, the UN is ready to immediately dimiss the IDF explanation of the event, which would seem to imply that the IDF killed Mr. Hooks either intentionally or through some sort of gross negligence. In effect they turned on the same organization they rely upon for physical security. Draw your own parallels with Western European governments and certain privileged people in the United States.

#71 - Excellent points.

The latest: [Link: www.jpost.com...]

Now the UN admits that the wall was breached but still insists that when Hook told them to leave they did. Yeah, right.

OT.....

[Link: www.jpost.com...]