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If He Had Trains, They’d Be On Time

Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 9:53:31 am PST

Senator Patty Murray tells high school students the US needs to learn to be a “better neighbor” to the world—like Osama bin Laden.

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries ... that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

Murray said she doesn't know where she comes down on that guns-or-butter question, and building infrastructure in Third World countries would "cost a lot of money, and we have schools here and health care facilities here that are really hurting."

"War is expensive too," she said. "Your generation ought to be thinking about whether we should be better neighbors out in other countries so that they have a different vision of us.
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1 Wayne  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 7:56:16am

If he had trains, he'd load them up with C-4 and send them into the most (infidel) populated cities

W.

2 Ben Noah  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:03:23am

I saw this on drudge earlier and I wanted to vomit. This is what Oriana is talking about.

3 E. Nough  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:04:23am

Wow, can we add this woman to the Idiotarian of the Year candidate list?

4 Joe Jalbert  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:05:04am

Another example of the argument that there is no problem on earth that liberals can't cure with other people's money. Given all that they have spent, we should be living in a perfect world. Give the beast a Burkha and send her to Iraq - for that matter, send all of the Senators, all the actors, and the ACLU - then, to paraphrase Carrot Top:


BOMB DOWN THE CENTER!

5 ishouldpickanick  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:05:45am

Christ, he makes it sound like he was out there himself building roads for people...

Now, correct me if im wrong, but did the bin laden family get rich through their construction business? was he out there building roads out of the kindness of his heart, or was he simply doing the family business?

6 Joe Jalbert  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:06:01am

Oh,

send the damned attourneys too, except for those nice fellows at powerline...

7 Dick Winnipeg  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:06:40am

Aargh!

When will fools like Murray understand that "these people" don't want America and the rest of the West to be "better neighbours" - they want us dead or enslaved!

They keep telling us that's what they want, and if there's any lesson to be learned from the history of the 20th century it's that when people tell you they're going to kill you, you should believe them.

What an idiot.

8 Joe Jalbert  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:06:43am

BOMB!

9 Ben Noah  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:07:27am

Oh that reminds me #4, she was full of contradiction. She wanted to build these things for these people, but meanwhile she is griping about lowered spending on schools in our own country. There is not enough money to do both babe, get with the program.

Additionally, these 3rd world fcukup nations get billions from the west, but its stollen by their dictators. We need to stop propping up these corrupt thugs and start truly helping them to build transparent governments. I hope Bush realizes that as a long term necessity, not just a short term one for the Pals.

10 Glen Wishard  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:08:25am

I've heard it said that Patty Murray is the biggest dumbass in the United States Senate - pretty stiff competition. Now she has opened her mouth in such a way as to finally remove all doubt.

11 Joe Jalbert  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:10:29am

Charles!!! SIR!

Time to change the poll to:

Who is the biggest dumbass in the Senate?


CALL FOR NOMINATIONS!

12 Raoul Ortega  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:11:28am

Actually, if you look at the list of his accomplishments, the senior moron from this state thinks Osama is a good liberal, doing good liberal things.

As for "day care centers"-- yeah, right.

Well, she's only saying nice things about someone who wants to kill infidel Americans now. It's not like she's praising a segregationist for something that took place over a half century ago.

13 K.  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:12:45am

When you build your political constituency by buying votes w/ govt handouts, which is what the Dems do, of course you think this way. She probably has no other way to process problems. Yo Patty, how about we send a per capita stipend to the French too???

14 sam  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:17:29am

Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Planet Galactatron) said something to the effect of "We should lead with our morals, not our military strength."

I thought our "morals" and "liberties" was partial reason why we were struck in the first place?

15 Palandine  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:18:05am

Absolutely revolting. The extent to which some leftists hate their own country boggles the mind.

And I just cannot see it as anything else but hate of Western civilization (and perhaps love of anything offered in response to it). Think of Israel--a democratic country, with rights for women, gays, and religious and ethnic minorities. Indeed, it's probably the only country in the Middle East that actually has a diverse population. It looks like America. And who do leftists hate almost as much as they hate America?

These are people who would say that George Bush is more of a threat to human rights and freedoms than Osama bin Laden, Kim Il-Jong, Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and Saddam Hussein...and they'd pass a lie detector saying it. They really do believe it. Any sin (repression of women and gays, stifling of political dissent, torture and brutal execution, use of weapons of mass destruction, the desire to spread a religion of hate across the world by the sword and the bomb) can be forgiven, as long as you're an "other" victimized by the White Hetero Military-Industrialist Corporate Patriarchy in Amerikkka.

Moreover, leftists hate being accountable. In the late 1990s, I can't tell you how many e-mail petitions I was sent by leftist organizations, asking me to sign to end the oppression of women in Afghanistan and to protest the Taliban's destructions of the ancient Buddha statues. Yet, when Amerikkka stepped in and ended the Taliban regime (and is working to re-create the Buddhas), the left has nothing but derision. Murray would never think to give our country and our military credit for these two achievements that the left always claimed to want, but she waxes nostalgic about what a saint bin Laden is. Again, disgusting.

I volunteer at a USO. Every day I see brave young men and women sign up to protect this country and defenseless people around the world. When I read filth like this, I realize how undeserving we all are of having such great people willing to give their all for us.

Thank you, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines, for protecting the freedoms of even those who have shown themseves unworthy of your blood.

16 David Simon  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:20:38am

This loathsome twat has convienently forgotten that we give billions in foreign aid every year and that most of the recipients still hate our guts.

17 Feste  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:23:20am

The schools and PBS are producing generations of brain washed morons of Penn's ilk.

Anyone see Charlie Rose's TTT interview with Jackson , Woods and Mortensen last night?

Viggo Mortensen made a jackass of himself with a crudely lettered protest T-shirt and an incoherent rap about Bush's father's vendetta against Saddam and of course; blood for Ooooil!!!

Rose did not want to get into it, Jackson and Woods were uncomfortable, offering weak PC nods. As far as this movie patron goes...Mortensen can stick his career up his butt along with his head.

It makes you wonder if these people are one the same planet.

18 Matt C  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:25:58am

How does her proposed policy of being "better neighbors" to Muslims jibe with their desire for America to let them destroy Israel, who actually are good neighbors?

What a tard.

How disheartening it must be to learn your Senator is a dipshit when you're in highschool.

19 Ernie G  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:28:25am

Some quotes never seem to get old. This one is about 100 years old:

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

20 Erik  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:29:35am
"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that

What the &$%# is she talking about? Is she referring to the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan? Al Qaeda did not build schools, roads, infrastructure etc. They built barracks and caves. And I'm sure the people of Afghanistan are extremeley grateful for those Al Qaeda camps being built in their country.

21 Feste  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:30:05am

Re: #14

Would that be Clinton's morals? Kennedy family values or maybe Bobby Bryd's?

Freeping hypocrites.

Boxer is a disgusting piece of work. I live in the SF Bay Area and have to listen to Boxer and Feinstein's drivel on a daily basis.

22 ES  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:31:26am

Where is the media outrage about these statements?!?!?

The US Government has spent more money in the third world than anyone else, especially the Saudis, and this Dumb Bitch thinks we have to be better neighbors???

I think the media should be calling for her to resign, since she clearly does not understand anything that our Senate does.

How dare she, an elected offical of the USA, make public statements to our school children, in support of Osoma Bin Laden. This stupid lady has no business helping to run/lead this country. Since she is such a fan of Bin Laden's we should send her to Iraq on a fact finding trip, and then start the war.

What a stooopppiidd BITCH!!!

23 GAboy  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:31:29am

World-wide Muslim Condemnation ofTterrorism


Well not really. Half to most of the pictures of muslim's expressing sympathy with the U.S. are actually of Tibetian and Indian people(and Iran, which we already know a great deal of citizens over there yearn for our help). Then there's the two quotes saying peace and tolerance is the only way...but one is from The REVEREND Martin Luther King Jr. and the other form Mahatma Ghandi, who I believe was Hindu? Wow they have to borrow phrases such as this from other cultures abnd religions? But of course the section listing the "hate crimes" perpetrated against muslims is longer.

24 BJW  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:32:47am

I know I have put this everywhere here, but I really want everybody to take a look at this guys website. He has it designed like the Apple "Switch" ad campaign. But instead he is promoting for Americans to "switch" to Canada. He gives reasons why and so on. When you go to the site look in the FAQ section, you don't know if you should laugh or punch his lights out. Make sure to catch his advice about gettting more balanced news from the Guardian! It wouldn't be so bad except that USA Today was running it as one of their featured web sites. I think Sen. Murray and him have a lot in common.

[Link: bantha.cjb.net...]

25 Q2  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:32:51am

Of course, the irony is that US handouts to Egypt, the Palestinians, etc., etc, dwarf whatever lame-ass roads and crap Binny may have built for the world's poor, huddled Muslim masses... If only we had given Egypt 3 billion a year instead of two, maybe 9-11 never would have happened.

Why are so many otherwise-intellingent people complete frickin' morons when it comes to the simple matter of calling a terrorist a terrorist?

--Q2

26 Anthony  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:33:14am

Not only is she morally obtuse (to be kind), she's profoundly ignorant. Bechtel and Morrison-Knudsen, and the like, have been building infrastructure in the third world for years. I'm sure she's got constituents who've been there - I hope some of them let her know just how ignorant she is.

27 Toby  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:34:56am

So Muslims will only love us if we pay them off?

Effing Afghanis -- it is not enough that we made it possible for them to defeat the Soviets, but we have to put them on the dole as well?

I'm all for humanitarian aid, but if it is a matter of Aid or Terror, than that is extortion.

28 westoner  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:35:41am

bin Laden's popularity stems from the barbarous cult of which he was a member I believe.

Has it ever occurred to Ms Murray that there maybe a connection between poverty and islam?

29 Jay  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:41:25am

This, by far, is a truly classic quote

Any sin (repression of women and gays, stifling of political dissent, torture and brutal execution, use of weapons of mass destruction, the desire to spread a religion of hate across the world by the sword and the bomb) can be forgiven, as long as you're an "other" victimized by the White Hetero Military-Industrialist Corporate Patriarchy in Amerikkka.

to #15 Palandine, I salute you!

30 superfly  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:44:08am

I blieve we have the winner for this years idiotatrian of the year for the senate.

31 Jay  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:45:10am

Ugh, sorry to post again, I just realized that she is from Washington. I'm from Oregon, so I know the home grown wackos we get from the region. I remember her getting elected in '98, really wish she hadn't, she beat a good republican too. She is basically a California import to Washington state, so if she sounds like Barbara Boxer, it shouldn't be surprising.

32 Greg  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:46:36am

Now, correct me if im wrong, but did the bin laden family get rich through their construction business? was he out there building roads out of the kindness of his heart, or was he simply doing the family business?

She might be referring to a certain amount of infrastructure that bin Laden apparently did build in Afghanistan. How do you think he made Mullah Omar his bitch? He greased his axle.

However she vastly overstates what he did.

The same case can be made, by the way, for any reputable Islamic terrorist organisation. Take Hamas. Or Hizballah. In addition to being terrorist organisations they moonlight as social services and it is with these services that they win popular support.

In the case of Hamas, to an objective observe one would think that all they are doing is inviting retaliation which hurts Palestinians. Yet they continue to support them. In part it is because they simply support their goals and ideals and tactics, but it is also because when push comes to shove Hamas gives out welfare and Arafat doesn't.

Charles' conjuring up visions of the trains running on time is exactly on the mark. So what? Hitler was a 'good neighbor' to his own folks as well. This senator is a jackass.

33 Lancer  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:48:07am


Oh, dear God. How can one be so freakin' dense?

sigh...

34 European-American  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:53:26am

It should be fun to listen to the excuses from the same bunch that criticized Lott for his idiotic statements. I'm not defending Lott (good riddance), but his idiocy is not even in the league of Patty Murray.

35 James  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:53:53am

If Ms. Murray would hold this opinion openly to High School students, then one would have to asume she would hold the same views/comments for both elementary and college students. With this obvious distaste for America and Western Civilization is it any wonder now why so many partents are home schooling or private schooling.

Such comments should label one as a traitor to this country and imprisonment should be immediate.

The unbelievable thing is these type people keep getting elected.

36 Greg  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:56:16am

It should be fun to listen to the excuses from the same bunch that criticized Lott for his idiotic statements.

That "bunch" included lots and lots of Republicans, such as myself and our president.

37 Studsup  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:57:45am

Perhaps someone can inform the good Senator that here in NYC we are still repairing and recovering from Osama's most recent contribution to our infrastructure.

She may not be guilty of the specific crime of treason, but she is as evil a traitor as this nation has ever produced. When Osama strikes again, I wonder if she will be as accomodating of him if it is her constituents that are being buried?

38 Nastification Agenda  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:57:49am

I rate Bush's "islam is peace" basura above Lincoln Steffan's paean to Stalin's Soviet Union, "I have seen the future, and it works." Bush rhetoric is not tactical; he takes these statements from his cliche pouch, which substitutes for genuine conviction.

On Dec. 12, the oil-patch over-achiever ordered Rainbow Coalitionary, Colin Powell, to announce a $29,000,000 subsidy - Middle East Partnership Initiative - for Islamania's madrasa indoctrination factories.

Did Islamania get the joke? See:

www.dailystar.com.lb/ for Beirut opinion on this latest myopia. The lead article reveals that even Lebanon, where pollsters have found more pro-American sentiment than the rest of the Arab Disneyland, is not accepting the State Department's paid advertising of the Oval Office as a Moslem-friendly zone.

Then scroll down to a review of the film, "The Last Prophet" as produced by a Disney Studios exile, Richard Rich. This dhimm-bulb animator caricatures Mohammed's bloody rape and booty conquests as benign. Rich would probably portray the Banu Quraizay GENOCIDE as a mercy killing.

Last, read two Lebanese writers - Fahed Fanek and Saad Mehio - criticize Powell's cash cow. The only reforms that Moslems want, is: Islamic dictatorship. Once an abdullah, always an abdullah.

Use the $29,000,000 for a bounty hunt, on JIHIDIOTS.

39 Glen Wishard  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:58:30am

Another idiot from a Washington Dribble-Think Tank (IPS, the biggest twinkie farm of them all) is chiming in with Patty, sort of, here is how The Olympian is reporting it:

"That's kind of a generalization, but mostly accurate," Michael Swetnam, chairman of the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies in Arlington, Va., said Thursday.

... "Mostly he did underwrite -- and so did many Arab charities -- several fundamentalist Muslim schools throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan that teach a very, very fundamentalist, right-wing version of Islam that preaches hatred for the West," Swetnam said.

The Seattle Post Intelligencer is running the same story, but they're leaving out the stuff about "preaching hatred". Instead they're using this:

Since about 1988, who is bin Laden, believed to have been the mastermind behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, has been on a mission to build schools, roads and even homes for widows of those killed in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, Swetnam said.

What a wonderful guy.

40 sam  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:03:42am

#14

The Dem's need a rally, bad.

41 Joshua Chamberlain  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:04:24am

We haven't built roads and schools? Egypt is the U.S.'s Number 1 recipient of foreign aid?!

42 snopes  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:06:45am

So basically OBL's funding came with strings. Yet, when US funding comes with strings, that's a bad thing. :P

43 pentaxian  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:07:38am

If we JUDGE the despots of this world on the merits of their school-building, road-building, heavy-industry building then Stalin, Hitler, and Mao would be the Giants of Humanity. This is the sophistry that is so prevalent on the Left; no attention is paid to the fact that dictator's factories, schools, and canals were built atop the bodies of political dissenters and ordinary citizens caught in the madness. But hey, they got "free" healthcare, so chumps like Glover and Streisand are more than happy to overlook the minor details like mass graves and death camps.

44 John B.  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:10:40am

senator_murray@murray.senate.gov

45 monkeyboy  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:12:37am

Senator Patty Murray
email: senator_murray@murray.senate.gov

Washington, D.C. Office

173 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-2621
Fax: (202) 224-0238


Now that the Afghanis are free, maybe she can ask THEM if Osama was popular in the country. She should be especially interested in what the women have to say.

46 Larry  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:20:38am

Finally, an American with a brain! Your country needs more Senators like Murray.

47 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:26:11am

I am ashamed to say that Patty "I'm-just-a-mom-in-tennis-shoes" Murray represents my state in the Senate. There is some type of devil-may-care death wish here in Washington state as we elect these liberal blowhards (state and national elections) and get their concomitant desires to wildly spend money and suppress free speech, and yet we keep voting to eliminate taxes at every chance. (Poor state legislators have mutually contradictory instructions given to them by the voters. But hey, they wanted the job.)

I predict that Patty Murray will get a yawn and a free pass from this statement by the local and national media, even as we (rightly) excoriate Trent Lott. Patty Murray will not suffer one bit politically from these comments that are at best inane but more probably straight from her heart where Bill Clinton represents American integrity and George W. Bush represents the Evil Satan himself.

Come 2004, she will likely be elected by at least a 57% majority, mostly because she's a dowdy, dim bulb who seems just like real folks to us voters here. (Remember, this is the state that elects proto-felon Baghdad Jim "Vietname Vet" McDermott by enormous pluralities each election.) All she'll have to do is to claim she's a victim 'cause she's a woman, and she's a shoo-in.

48 Warthog  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:29:07am

#46

I guess it was only a matter of time before some Eurotwit showed up to soil the floor.

49 edgarthomson  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:29:46am

#46
Go away troll!

50 Taro  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:41:36am

Actually, it appears we need more senators like Wellstone - that is, dead in random accidents. Or more like Lott - actually stepping down because of pressure brought to bear on their idiocies.

51 Znaught  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:42:06am

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray

Popular = good?

Murray needs to advance to ninth grade.

52 Frank IMC  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:49:32am

My G-d, what an idiot. His FATHER is the one who's in the construction industry, not Osama. Osama just profited from his father's success. Osama couldn't create anything if he tried. To his father's credit, he has disowned Osama.

"Son, the most important thing in the world is to be popular." - Homer Simpson

53 Frank IMC  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:50:42am

#48 - call it "Reverse Brain Drain".

54 Rich N.  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:51:31am

Re: #24
I have seen this site before. But, today I tried to link to the site from my computer at work. Perhaps not too ironically, the system porn filter blocked the site.

55 Sharona  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:53:58am

Excuse me, Ms. Murray, a Question:

Why do any of Osama's beneficiary nations need daycare centers if none of the women are allowed to work outside of the home? Perhaps they needed a place to drop the kids off at while they shopped at Nordstrom?

Patty Murray represents the same kind of dumbass thinking typical of NY soccer moms who thought Hillary Clinton was wronged and would make a darn good senator.

Is she making this s%$t up as she goes along?

56 Bugs  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:55:23am

The idea of OBL building day care centers is too funny for words.
Did they put some nice cut-outs of Humpty Dumpty on the wall? Probably not the three little pigs.
And what did they tell the little tykes when Mommy was beheaded for showing too much ankle? Errr, I guess Daddy will be picking you up today.

57 Forkum  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:05:28am

It's not so much that leftists like Murray are stupid (that gives them too much credit). It's that they willfully distort reality to conform to their socialistic desires.

To them, America is basically evil, because America is still fundamentally an individualistic, capitalistic culture (despite its suicidal tendencies toward socialism). To leftists, nothing America does for its own interest is good -- NOTHING -- from destroying the Taliban to deposing Saddam -- exactly because it is in our interest.

Likewise, anybody opposed to America, individualism and capitalism is basically good -- ANYBODY -- no matter what they ultimately do. Arafat. Saddam. Stalin. To leftists, the evil atrocities committed by such tyrants are insignificant compared to their supposedly “good” socialistic intentions.

The end result is an inverted moral view of the world: mass-murdering, West-hating, religious fascist Osama bin Laden is transformed into a humanitarian who built day-care centers, and freedom-defending America is disfigured as the world's primary source of terrorism.

58 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:06:06am

I will say the "day care" quote is the best part of the whole thing.

It simply infuriates me that we elect these people who are so blindingly stupid. Patty Murray is a great politician, and knows how to work the system. But every time she opens her mouth, she parrots the Democratic spiel, and is incapable of independent, rational thought. She reflexively supports any Democrat, anywhere. (Where was she when the Big He was harrassing women? AWOL.)

But here's a thought - perhaps the way for George W to gain her support is to offer to build "day care" centers across America.

59 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:08:41am

and somewhere there's a village in Washington state missing its idiot.

Calling Senator Murray!

60 GKarp  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:13:39am

I cannot imagine that cretinous little scumbag Atta ever saying, "now, my brothers, our countries will finally get the infrastructure assistance they deserve!" It's just not on the Islamist radar screen. Indeed, the truth is just the opposite, they want us out of their countries, they want to see less of us and our infidel highways and day care centers. Day care centers, for pete's sake! There is a world of projection going on here.

61 Lyle Waggonner  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:18:44am

Maybe Patty will Murray Jean Chretien !

62 Lyle Waggonner  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:20:05am

... at a Hizb'allah funded daycare center.

63 Magic Rat  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:23:14am

The day care centers got me too. This woman is a moron. I don't tthink we can call her evil, or even a leftist.

She sounds like she read from the "Lefty Wet Dream List". I'm surprised she didn't say that another reason OBL was so poplular was because he supported tighter restrictions on military spending, and was probably against the war in Iraq.

#31 Actually she is a career pol who was elected to the Senate in 1992. She was in the State Senate for years before then. She ran on that "humble" "Mom-in-Tennis-shoes rap. What a puke.

64 Stephen Rittenberg  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:43:43am

She's definitely a candidate for Idiotarian of the Year. She embodies perfectly the Western liberal utopian who simply cannot believe there are people in the world who wish to destroy us. Instead, they misunderstand because we haven't loved them enough. It's the therapeutic approach. I'm sure she would have objected to going to war against Hitler because we were responsible for Germany's plight and Hitler had a terribly traumatic childhood. I suggest she be put on a plane to Baghdad before the bombing starts.
[Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

65 European-American  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:45:09am

#36 Greg

Sorry, my message lacked the proper context. I am a Republican, and I was running mad around the house screaming for Lott to resign. By "the bunch" I meant people who are offended by Lott, but have no problems with Jesse Jackson, Robert Byrd, Maxine Water, et al.

66 European-American  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:45:19am

#36 Greg

Sorry, my message lacked the proper context. I am a Republican, and I was running mad around the house screaming for Lott to resign. By "the bunch" I meant people who are offended by Lott, but have no problems with Jesse Jackson, Robert Byrd, Maxine Water, et al.

67 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:46:13am

Testing...

68 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:50:50am

well, curiously there is no mention yet of this quote in the Big Media (NYT, MSNBC, et al.), and there's no outcry in the local papers (Seattle Times, Post-Intelligencer, Tribune News, etc.). It's as if such a stupid statement is expected of Democrats.

"Day care centers," indeed.

69 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:50:51am

Well, just lost my previous post. A condensed version; RECALL ELECTION NOW, WASHINGTONIANS. This woman may well have just swept the prize for Idiotarian of the Year.

Someone previously mentioned the Viggo Mortensen "no blood for oil" interview on Charlie Rose. I finally caught part of it when it was rebroadcast last night. The best part was when Viggo said, "we like to believe that we're the good guys in this movie, and Saddam is the bad guy. But the truth is really the opposite." So, Saddam's the good guy, see?

Viggo also faulted the United States' "excessive violence" in World War Two. So I suppose, we thought we were the good guys in that war, and that Hitler was the bad guy. But the truth is...

I think that when I see Viggo now in those battle scenes in "The Two Towers", I'll be rooting for the Orcs.

70 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:52:35am

Re #69: Don't get too upset. Actors are paid to read lines. When someone isn't writing their lines for them, they have nothing to say.

It's like thinking Babs is the intellectual soul of the Democratic Party. No one really believes it, even if they do blow her kisses.

71 Ewin  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:53:56am

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries ... that are riddled with poverty?

Hey, I don't understand what the big deal is. She's obviously showing support for a very hawkish, pro-war, uncomprimising stance, albeit with some things for our students to keep in mind, like cost and such.

Osama is popular because he kills infidels and destroys their property. Obviously we need to be more like him, if we want to be popular with the other kids too! Man, it really hurt my feelings when Germany said those nasty things about us. How can WE be popular too???

I'm surprised, though, that she's willing to show such an anti-Arab-Muslim attitude towards all of this. I mean, for her to advocate that we act like Bin Laden means that we should target specific countries, specific races, specific religions, all with a frothy-mouthed religious fervor and fatal dedication. I mean, geez, some people here have advocated that, but you don't usually hear it from senators!

Her point about cost is well-taken. Perhaps we should consider sticking to box-cutters and suicide bombers in our own war? If we're going to think like our popular (and oh-so-dreamy) Osama, we need to "think outside the box" -- ha ha, I know, bad pun, but still. She's right, war is expensive, and if we would only get with the program and start programming our children to wear dynamite vests, we could start building orphanages with the money we saved... furthermore, there'd be fewer to build, since so many kids would be killing themselves!

It all makes a beautiful kind of sense, when you think about it!! I mean, who would you rather your neighbor be, the ordinary capitalist pig you currently share a block with, or the local crimelord who can do you lots of favors?

"Hey, mommy, a senator came to my school today and taught us that it's more important to be popular than it is to stand up for yourself!"

72 davic  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:55:14am

Maybe instead of calling her the "mom in tennis shoes" they can start calling her the "mom in exploding tennis shoes"!

73 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:03:45am

This just proves the point that splodeydopes come in all nationalities.

74 packsoldier  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:07:12am

Lott's comments were stupid and wrong but at least he isn't a traitor. Murray should be forced to resign from the Senate, but I have no doubt that the liberal media will sweep this one under the rug. I hope I'm wrong.

75 Jack  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:22:01am


Don't bother sending email...we've had corporate contacts with her office..."he. he, he...we don't know how to use email." verbatim quote.

Just phoned her local office: "the Senator didn't say what you think she said." Wanted to argue with me about the quotes.

Please start a nationwide call for her resignation! Please, Please, Please.

76 Dreadnought  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:26:18am

Even more troubling than all of the very good points made in the previous posts is the underlying premise of her remarks: THEY'RE JUST LIKE US!

It's just another chapter in the "The Russians Have Children, Too" book. Yes, the Russians have children, the Gestapo had children, Osama has lots of children. By God, we're awash in children! But it's irrelevant because we don't want our children growing up as Muslim fundamentalists and they don't want their children growing up to dress like Britney Spears. Thus, we fight.

Until we accept the fact that they do not think like us, we will have a hard time completely ending this conflict.

77 Milodar  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:32:25am

Dickhead.

That's all I can say.

You know why the only war lefties think was just was WWII? Because the commies were our allies!

Obviosly she doesn't know why schools are failing. Because 70% of the money allocated for them goes into the bureacracy. That's why so many people support homeschooling, private schools, charter schools, and vouchers.

Here's some financial information, Senator:
Direct damage from Sept. 11th attacks: $100 billion.
Indirect damage from Sept. 11th attacks: $500 billion to $1 trillion (estimated)
Cost of the war in Afghanistan: $30 billion.
Estimated cost of war in Iraq: $200 billion (worst-case scenario)

If Saddam gets a nuke and then attacks us, Saudis, Israelis, or Kuwaitis, we'll suffer tremendous economic damage, even if the attack is not against us. (Nuking Saudi oil fields will destroy rougly 15% of the world's oil) And then we'll have to fight the war anyway!

However, for Idiotarian of the Year, I'll have to nominate Edward Said.

78 el Barto  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:54:30am

Speaking of stupid senators:

"If anyone thinks that one person stepping down from a leadership position cleanses the Republican Party of their constant exploitation of race, then I think you're naive," Clinton said.

79 The Angry Federalist  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:58:14am

Dogbert was right. Sometimes no snide comment seems adequate. When is this...ummm...Senator up for re-election?

80 Athos  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 11:59:11am

If there is justice and fairness (yeah right) in American Media - the story should now be shifting from Lott's decision not to run for Majority Leader - to the complete drivel that Sen. Murray is trying to pass off.

This is no different from a prominent Senator in 1944 indicating that Hitler should be praised because he built the Autobahns, pushed for the design and production of the Volkswagen, and increased productivity of German factories with the use of millions of enslaved Eastern Europeans. The only other line lacking in Sen. Murray's insanity is that she doesn't credit UBL for making the trains run on time in Somalia or Afghanistan.

On top of this, the one terrorist organization that actually spends a lot of effort at building schools - I mean indoctrination centers - is Hezbollah. Al-Qaeda these days focuses primarily on building recruit training centers - for after the recruits have been properly indoctrinated by the religious schools.

The thought that an American Senator - one of 100 leaders in this country could honestly and openly say what she did - places Trent Lott's comments in perspective.

The NEW Democratic Party - Standing for Racism and Anti-Americanism.

81 GKarp  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 12:25:14pm

I never thought I would say this but right now, at this moment, I miss Slade Gorton.

82 Steve Miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 12:29:56pm

Hey, I miss Dixie Lee Ray!

83 David Foster  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 12:37:18pm

Murray's idiotarianism goes beyond this issue. Here's a quote from her web site:

"One of the negative factors that defined the last years of the 20th Century was the pervasiveness of violence and fear. "

The last years of the twentieth century were the time of violence and fear? Let's see..the century started with the Boer War. From 1914-1918, we had World War I, with something like 10 million dead. To celebrate the end of the war, there was a worldwide epidemic of influenza In the thirties, we had rampant unemployment throughout the western world. We also had the Spanish Civil War. From 1939-1945, we had WWII, which turned into the Cold War and to decades of life under the threat of nuclear devastation.

And she thinks that the last few years have been especially tough?

One defining characteristic of idiotarians is their complete lack of historical perspective.

84 Uncle Sam  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 12:41:40pm

This woman is evil! She won't dare say but you can bet what she really wants to say is that she wants Saddam and Ossama to win! I see no reason why the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE has see this traitor!

85 Uncle Sam  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 12:42:31pm

"Murray was in the minority when the Senate voted 77-23 in October to give President Bush authority to use military force in confronting Saddam Hussein."

Apparently this isn't her first act of treason.

86 M. de Charlus  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 12:48:51pm

"Until we accept the fact that they do not think like us, we will have a hard time completely ending this conflict."

Will someone NOT think of the children please?!?

87 Forkum  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:06:33pm

If Murray isn't bad enough, check out another example of the left's hatred of American freedom and capitalism in this Dec. 19 CNN/Reuters profile of one Colman McCarthy:

Former reporter pushes peace studies

Excerpt from article: "And he wants to teach kids that American violence goes hand-in-hand with widely accepted conventionalities such as economic competition, conspicuous consumption, tax cuts, U.S. foreign policy and gigantic Pentagon budgets."

And this after 9/11...

88 Raoul Ortega  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:12:44pm

Just learned on local radio here in Seattle that this was not a one-time goof, or something out of context. According to a teacher in whose classroom Patty the Dummy appeared in a few weeks ago, she said the exact same thing during that appearance.

89 Kevin  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:12:53pm

She's posted a follow up declaration that says, in summary that people who criticize her are acting in an unpatriotic way. She says Bin Laden is evil, but doesn't retract her claim that he's made daycare centers around the world, nor does she mention that we were there for this past decade with millions and millions of dollars of financial aid.

I sent an email about it to OReilly, hopefully he'll have this fool on, and she can discuss the end of her career.

90 yasmin nehru  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:17:25pm

Wow,... burkhas were made for this hefer...

91 wretchard  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:18:45pm

The United States occupies a role in primitive societies once reserved for the Grecian gods. It is the reason for the inexplicable, the warming weather, the falling stockmarket, the failure of crops. If America didn't exist, people like Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro would have to invent it.

America provides a general and total absolution for every societal failure conceivable. Are we poor? It is because the Americans are so rich. Is the tent leaking? That is so that the buildings in Manhattan can so soar to the sky.

Without America, the legitimacy of local elites might be called into question. People might ask of Osama: why are you a billionaire? People might wonder if the Saudi family really had their best interests at heart. Without America, the Palestinians might ask Arafat what became of the billions in aid he has received, in more ways than one.

Yet the very invocation of the American excuse deepens their failure. No solution is sought and they decline, while America prospers. "You see, they have built an even greater World Trade Center in New York, my son. Do you see now why the tent leaks?"

92 John  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:24:43pm

Of course she is an idiot. But how big an idiot will not be exposed. This is a feminist Senator of the US, giving her opinions of a part of the world she knows nothing about and has never even visited. If she had, she would know how far in her mouth her foot is stuck. OBL despises women, even Muslim women; who are routinely beaten, stoned, kept out of all social settings, including, Senator, nearly all schools and all professions. Women are still so traumatized by the memory of OBL in Afghanistan that most still fear taking off their veils and burquas. This is wonderful OBL legacy. And that's just for women. He is equally hated by men and children. One effect has not been noted, despite the fact that I repeatedly pitched the story to fellow westerners in Afghanistan: the people current avoid the mosques and public prayer. That's how much they love Islam. The ironic thing about her comments (and what qualifies her for 'idiotarian of the year') is that she gets the facts exactly backwards--what we should really hear from our 'leaders' is how popular the concepts of the west, beginning with democracy, are among the people in Afghanistan. Where does she get the idea that Islamofascism and OBL are popular? Is it in the Democratic Party manual?

Of course, this will all come to naught as she will be given a pass--the old 'benefit of the doubt' by the media. Including the alarmingly passive and unprepared O'Reilly. Here's the facts, O'Reilly, use them: No roads in Afghanistan. No roads built by OBL. Many roads, however, destroyed by OBL and crew. No schools...none, that were not 1) for boys only, and then for religious/political indoctrination. No ridiculous western inventions like daycare even exist. They haven't learned yet that it takes a village. I've been between Peshawar and Kabul since 1987 and I know OBL's crew and their ilk and I know how they abused the general population in both Pakistan's NWFP and Afghanistan. The only thing they ever built were these ticky-tack white mosques everywhere (ironically, these little buildings owe more than a little--in architectural design--to McDonalds!)

(As for the lame O'Reilly--who seems to be running scared from the 'vast right wing' label--will he even feebly inspect this woman's words or record when she inevitably shows up on his show? He is now unwatchable...every idiotarian gets a free pass since poor Bill seems to have little time or inclination to assemble the facts before debating his recent guests...most of whom have learned to simply filibuster or place the race card. O'Reilly simply shrugs and says repetitiously "I respect your opinion." Ycch.)

And for the rest of the media...geez, I can't wait to read all the apologists and the teevee shows bend over backwards to help her over what should be a problem the size of Lott's in my book. Watch the friendly pundits ask her kindly to refine her answer, allow her to explain, to claim it was all 'out of context'--you know, the privileges you get when you are a woman Democratic Senator.

93 David Foster  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:38:32pm

At first, I thought she was making it up about the "day care centers." Why would they need day care centers in countries where women aren't allowed to work?

Then I realized. The day care centers take care of the kids while mom goes to the soccer stadium to be executed.

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "soccer mom."

94 Glen Wishard  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:49:55pm

Athos wrote:

... the story should now be shifting from Lott's decision not to run for Majority Leader - to the complete drivel that Sen. Murray is trying to pass off.

That is indeed the plan. Glenn Reynolds has picked up the story (which the primitive, pre-blog media has not yet noticed, except for the Wash. State papers).

Combine that with the widely-held conviction that Trent Lott was blogged to death (Ariana Huffington has said so, in Salon). Another fun scalp-hunting expedition is in the works, no doubt.

Which is fine with me. If idiots can be blogged into obscurity, I say let's make a bigass list.

95 Brown Finger  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:52:12pm

I would just like to say that WE can keep this on the front burner. Don't stop. Don't forget. Do not fail to mention these things every election.

Now that wishy-washy Trent Lott the clown has given up hope of leading the Senate, we may just have a heavy hitter to keep reminding people why they put conservatives in power this last election.

96 gary bruce  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 1:54:40pm

Charles--you should start a nationwide effort to have Murray removed from office, either through a recall vote in her state or by impeachment and conviction in the House and Senate.

97 steve miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 2:02:22pm

Some good news (sort of): local NPR station (KPLU or KUOW, I fergit) mentioned it at the 3:00 newscast, albeit with a sighing, suffering tone of "I can't believe those right-wing racists are making an issue of this!"

98 Peter Ingemi  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 2:10:56pm

#69.

It must tear his guts out that his movie is a metaphor for all he opposes.


HA HA HA

99 Roach[deleted]  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 2:26:51pm
100 Model4  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 2:27:47pm

Now to me, she damned herself and gave away the whole game when she said "We haven't done that." What we need now in the media is a list of the laws she both voted for and against that have done wonderful things for the Third World many times in many places.

The good news is that California is about to keel over under the weight of its own socialism after packing the gov't there with liberal Democrats. This will surely be a drain on Washington and Oregon. It is a great thing that the shoddy Rep. Gov. candidate there lost, as Gray Davis and his Dem. controlled legislature are totally on the hook for ruining our most bountiful state. It takes a special mix of incompetence, ignorance, greed and corruption to screw up an economic powerhouse like CA.

While I hate it for the good folks out that way that are gonna suffer (and the drag it will place on the nation), it seems to take the biggest of catastrophes to get even a few liberals to wake up and realize how they've been screwing themselves and everyone else over with feel-good policies.

101 Gustavia  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 3:20:31pm

Fox had the story of Ms Patty and her statement on the Brit Hume show. He wasnt in, I dont remember the name of the guy doing his segment.

But they showed the quote and had ...elipses... where the "day care centers" part was.

dang.

It still sounded idiotic, but the "day care centers" was real humanitarian part of her ode to why bin Ladin is sooo popular.

102 Joel  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 3:35:45pm

This idiot Patty Murray has offically passed Trent Lott as the number 1 idiot in the Senate. What is it with Washington State? This is a state that used to be represented in the Senate by the late great Henry 'Scoop' Jackson but now has idiotarians Murray in the Senate and McDermott in the House.

103 Paul  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 3:51:46pm

What a god awful idiot! Roads, schools, infrastructure, , health facilities, day care centers! What the hell is she talking about? The only things built by ObL have been terrorist training camps. The Muslims love him because he's murdered so many Jews and crusaders. I can't believe that a person so profoundly stupid and willfully ignorant can remain in Congress, she has picked up the torch dropped by Cynthia McKinney.

104 Red Herring  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 4:01:04pm

I must apologize to Sen.Murray for not voting for her five times in the Idiotarian of the Year contest. Can you ever forgive me, Patty?

105 steve miller  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 4:06:57pm

Tempest in a teapot. This will blow over by Monday. Trent Lott will still be in the news. Her staff will form a circle. Not ONE DEMOCRAT will rebuke her - unlike the chorus of Republicans who called Trent Lott on the carpet.

And the Democrats are the moral party in America!

106 Abu Baboon  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 4:35:38pm

#93
LOL!

107 Paul  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 4:58:26pm

Steve, #105

Unfortunately, you are probably right. lfg tonight has been extemely depressing. After reading the news about Patty and Baraka I'm having a hard time not tossing my computer out the window.

108 Nastification Agenda  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 5:53:46pm

The West needs to adopt a consensus position on Islamic JIHAD. Are all Moslems potential conscripts to JIHAD? Do the JIHADIS present a mortal threat to the West? Must Western human rights codes protect JIHAD advocacy, as an exercise of freedom of religion? Why are Moslem organizations - ISNA/AMC/CAIR/Wallace Deen Ministry - who represent over 90% of American Moslems, campaigning against constraint of the JIHAD charities (zakats)? Why are Moslem leaders subverting the counter-terror efforts? Is JIHAD advocated at Friday jumuah sessions, at public universities?

Future generations will ask why a war was fought against Moslems, by a leader whose cliche reportoire holds that "islam is peace." That pathological delusion presents a window of opportunity for the Modernist ideologues to attack the war effort.

A majority of the citizens of the Free World need to identify themselves as ANTI-JIHADIS, or we will be subsidizing unwinnable limited-wars and JIHAD friendly civil policing farces, forever. The JIHADIS are the central cast in this war, and not some bit players as caricatured in the loathsome Karen Armstrong's "hijack" dogma.

KILL OR BE KILLED

109 ROA  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 7:41:29pm

From an AP article on the statement "Michael Swetnam, co-author of a book on bin Laden and al-Qaida, said Murray's comments were mostly on the mark. He said bin Laden since 1988 has been on a mission to build schools, roads and homes for widows of those killed in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan"
[Link: www.wtnh.com...]


But what neither of them say is that the US has given over $730 million dollars in humanitarian aid to Afganistan during FY 2001-2003
[Link: www.usaid.gov...]

I wonder how much bin Laden has contributed during his entire time in Afganistan.

110 Athos  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 7:46:26pm

Idiotarian Senator Makes Statement on America's Role in the World

Now seen as trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube as quickly as her spin flacks will go...


While we continue to search every corner of the globe to destroy Osama bin Laden and his al Quaeda network, should we also consider the longer-term issue of what else can be done to improve relations with all nations including the Arab world?
How else can we bring America's values to those who do not understand us?

And yes, IT IS ALL AMERICA'S OWN FAULT!

But for those who oppose her idiotarian propaganda, she cautions

While there are some on the extreme fringes of society who try to exploit fear and uncertainty for political gain, there are many more who understand that the best value of our democracy is the freedom to think and to secure a better future.

My real question to this idiot is...who is really trying to exploit fear and uncertainty for political gain?

The NEW Democratic Party - whatever, whomever, whenever - we'll support anyone as long as it supports our agenda to return to the domination of America that was robbed from us in 1994.

111 isreal18  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:35:59pm

i'm commenting here before reading the entire thread of more than 100 comments.

senator patty i guess doesn't want to be confused by the facts: The muslim nations that we contribute $billions to (e.g. Egypt, Patestine) is where "the arab street' hates us the most. where we haven't contributed 0ne$ to in years (e.g. Iran) the "street" loves us!

DUH??

112 D. Edgren  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 8:58:24pm

I'll sit up all night to email each of the previous 110 comments (as I write this) to Senator Murray. Even the comment made by "Larry" (#46) is instructive, as it will give her (or more likely the poor staffer who does her scut work) a sense of perspective.

The 2004 elections can't come soon enough. McKinney's fate demonstrated there IS (thank God) a line of stupidity that the electorate in all but the most lunatic fringe states (sorry, California, but placing in office both Barbara Boxer and Gray Davis AT THE SAME TIME is just over the top- can you spell D-U-H?) won't allow "our elected leaders" to cross. Trent Lott's remark was mean and foul, and his fate was richly deserved (and overdue- it was clear by the end that Trent Lott could give a rip about his party: all Trent Lott cares about is Trent Lott). Murray's statement denotes, by contrast, a deep and pervasive ignorance that marks and singles out only a very few complete dumb-asses. Her little soccer-mom head has more air in it than a soccer ball. She debases our government by being a part of it.

113 Model4  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 9:11:09pm

#110 Athos: Thank you. Notice how she heads this with:

Having a challenging and thoughtful discussion about America's future reflects the best values of a free democracy; To sensationalize and distort in an attempt to divide does not

Interesting to see the rest of her "discussion" "distorts" by deliberately failing to mention the "divisive" part where she's telling kids in school that we don't provide aid to the poor of the world. I guess I'll be getting a big refund check from the IRS any day now.

Hmmm. Listening to ABC radio news top-of-the-hour broadcast right now. The senator's scandal is getting most of the coverage! Oh wait, it's all senator Lott and his old scandal...some celeb news...Jon Benet Ramsey(!)...state politics in Alaska(!)...and...we're done! That's a wrap!

"Why do people acuse us of having a left-wing bias? Anybody have a stamp? I want to mail off a check to the DNC."

114 Kirk Parker  Fri, Dec 20, 2002 10:41:59pm

Hey David Foster (#83 ) --

Let's cut Murray a little slack regarding:

"One of the negative factors that defined the last years of the 20th Century was the pervasiveness of violence and fear. "

After all, the 20th century was such a striking contrast to the preceding centuries of unbroken peace and brotherly kindness in Europe. The 19th century was a case in point: nearly half-a-million Frenchmen signed up for renowned tour director N. Bonaparte's spectacular "To Moscow and Back--errr, Maybe Just To Moscow" tour.

-Kirk (extremely embarrassed Washington State resident)

115 NTropy  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 12:16:51am

I suppose it's nice to see somebody taking attention from Trent Lott. I'd ask if we can expect this idiotarian to step down too but apparently loonie lefties are exempt from that.

116 Claudia  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 12:22:41am

#19 Ernie G

Thank you for the quote... first laugh of the day...

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

C.

117 EE  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 4:02:17am

Sen. Patty Murray hasn't a clue on what drives the hard-core radical Islamists, who form the pool of jihadis that threaten civilization. It isn't that the US has not built day-care centers and Usama bin Laden has built day-care centers. It's
"Hittin -- your spirit shall return.. Hittin that will be the whole of America and all the Jews.. Yes, the nation of Islam will throw the nation of wicked-hearted unbelievers... The men who answer the call are men undistracted by money -- one cannot buy out the praise of Allah and the heavens.."
[Link: haganah.org.il...]

118 Jeff  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 4:20:36am

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

Seattle Times article on reaction to Murray's attack of logorrhea, featuring a photo of her patented Deer in the Headlights expression, complete with slack jaw and open mouth.

The money graf:

"And even some of the 40 or so world-history students at Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., found the statements a little off, according to the principal".

119 kelley B  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 4:28:25am
December 20, 2002 - BELLEVUE -- Sen. Patty Murray surveyed the 80 or so Bellevue High School students filling a double classroom -- some sitting on the floor. ``We'll be talking about class size reduction, looking at this group,'' Murray joked.


OBL didn't make it in her Bellevue High speach..She may be clueless, but her handlers aren't.

[Link: www.msnbc.com...]

so tell me, what is a troll...have been wanting to ask?

120 Jeff  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 4:30:15am

And one more thing...

Since Lott has been driven out of his leadership position (note: mostly by enraged conservatives), the Democraps are now demanding that the Republican Party prove that it's "moved beyond racism" by endorsing the Dems' racial-spoils-system legislative program.

Ooookay now...if the Democraps can demand that we "move beyond racism" even after we've driven a racist out of his seat of power, isn't it fair for us to demand that the Dems move beyond treason by forcing Patty Murray and Jim McDermott to resign their offices?

121 David Foster  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 4:50:52am

#114...Kirk...

True, the 19th century wasn't any model of love and light, either (although many historians would argue that the level of violence escalated sharply in the 20th). But that doesn't negate my point. Idiotarians like Murray seem to have a complete lack of historical perspective. They will say that X is "the worst" or "the most violent" or whatever, without any interest in understanding what came before.

122 Lynn Carrier  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 5:21:45am

Is she saying we should build Christian based schools, Churches in Mecca, medina, etc.?

Why not send Christian missionaries to these third world countries!!!

Very revoluntionary...

123 Mark Hamilton  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 5:43:22am

I am ashamed to be living in Washington state with people like her representing me in congress.. I have never ever voted for that woman ,but that doesnt help much..I believe she along with any other people of her ilk should be hanged for treason.. Patty murry is just a waste of good oxygen..

124 Frank IMC  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 6:09:11am

-So according to Colman McCarthy, tax cuts are a form of violence that leads directly to 9/11? Sheesh. Thank G-d even the Washington Post no longer has this idiot.

-Look up the etymology of the word "cretin" and you'll be amused and delighted.

-Ironic that Muhammad was originally, in a sense, a Jewish missionary.

125 Frank IMC  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 6:20:08am

#121 - Yes. Typical Babyboomer liberal. Her appreciation of history starts and stops with her own lifetime.

126 me2  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 6:23:41am

It should be obvious to even a casual observer that the popularity of Osama has nothing to do with his charity and everything to do with his outspoken desire and proven ability to kill Americans.

127 Paul  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 6:40:07am

I sent a strongly worded e-mail to the good Senator's D.C. web site. It won't do any good and I'm sure there won't be a reply but I feel better.

I also visted several newspaper websites; Patty's statements are a non-issue, the tempest in the teapot has subsided (as predicted by #105).

128 ROA  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 7:11:53am

Follow-up to my previous comment #109.

Mr. Swetnam said that "Mostly he did underwrite - and so did many Arab charities - several fundamentalist Muslim schools throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan that teach a very, very fundamentalist, right-wing version of islam that preaches hatred for the West."

I am sure these are just the type of schools Ms. Murray would want us to support.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

129 Chip Joyce  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 9:09:18am

Here's what I wrote on my site about this:

Aboutthewar.com has a big problem with this "lesson" to high school students. She is implying that Americans deserved to be punished for not sacrificing our wealth to placate backward populations. This is morally reprehensible: Americans are not slave labor to feed and house the rest of the world. We have no moral obligation to help other countries.

Rather what Americans should do is to understand what makes some countries wealthy and others poor.

Countries are impoverished to the degree that they lack political and economic freedom. (Some countries, like Saudi Arabia and Iraq, are wealthy despite their horrible governments because they expropriated oil industries that Western countries developed. Before American, British, and Dutch companies discovered the oil and created a market for it, the indigenous people were impoverished and backward.) Bin Laden's "gifts" to Islamic countries are his means to promote a radical, death-worshipping sect of Islam.

In the same newspaper article an expert on Bin Laden said that "Mostly he did underwrite - and so did many Arab charities - several fundamentalist Muslim schools throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan that teach a very, very, fundamentalist, right-wing version of Islam that preaches hatred for the West."

The fact is that Bin Laden offers impoverished Arabs a philosophy of suffering on this earth, of hatred, and of death. Whereas America offers the world a model for escaping their earthly misery in this lifetime.

America was founded on the principle of individual rights and its corollary politico-economic system of capitalism, where the government's powers are limited to protect people's rights to economic, political, and religious freedom. That is the key to happiness on earth, and the means by which impoverished peoples could rise up from their filthy and miserable existence. Millions of such Muslims have already escaped their oppressed and poor countries and immigrated to America to enjoy a life they would otherwise be deprived, because of the evil ideas of men like Bin Laden.

Senator Murray performed a grave injustice against America, and is appalling that a woman such as she can hold public office. A Senator, of all people, should know that it is Americans who give the impoverished and backward countries hope; it is American that should be loved. It is not Bin Laden, and if people are swayed by his hatred and death-worship instead of the American dream, they deserve their misery.--Ed.

130 Mr. H  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 10:25:09am

I think I can lay claim to the WORST representation in congress: Jim McDermott, Patty Murray, and Maria Cantwell.

God help me.

131 Jeff  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 12:27:50pm

As of Saturday afternoon, it looks to me as if this story's being carefully spiked by the national media. Seattle's two dailies had articles about GOP reaction to Murray's verbal efflatus, but I'm not aware of any national media outlet picking it up and running...hell, they're STILL dancing on Trent Lott's (well-deserved) political grave. Even Fox News doesn't appear to be aggressively pursuing the Murray story.

As Mr. Sinatra might have put it, "it's uuup to yooou, Blogospheeere..."

132 Paul  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 1:03:20pm

Update to #127. The Senator did respond to my email as follows:

"Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me by email. This is just a
short note to let you know my office has recieved your message.
If you are from Washington State and have included your postal address, I will respond to your specific concerns through the U.S. mail as soon as possible."

I'm not from Washington State so I guess the delete key was used promptly. If anyone from Washington State reads this, please let your fathead Senator know that her statments were absurd and contempible.

133 Raoul Ortega  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 2:24:06pm

"I think I can lay claim to the WORST representation in congress: Jim McDermott, Patty Murray, and Maria Cantwell."

My condolences. I'm hoping Jay Inslee decides to challenge Patty the Dummy or Gov. Gary "Inaction" Locke in the primaries of '004 instead. I think of it as spreading the pain around.

134 Mark  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 7:05:34pm

Sorry to puncture the myth but Mussolini never made the trains run on time. And I found German trains to be the most unreliable I ever used for that matter.

135 feste  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 9:37:13pm

"I think I can lay claim to the WORST representation in congress: Jim McDermott, Patty Murray, and Maria Cantwell."

Not even close.

Rep Barbara Lee, Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, Mayor Jerry Brown and Gov Gray Davis.

It just doesn't get any worse than that.

136 Jeff  Sat, Dec 21, 2002 9:52:38pm

Raoul (#133)...

Please, please, please don't encourage Inslee to go for the Senate!!

For those outside of Washington state, Inslee's as far left, pro-Arab (the SOB was one of twenty or so Congressmen to vote AGAINST the resolution expressing solidarity with Israel) and anti-anti-terrorist as Jihad Jim McDermott is - but he's WAY too smart to get caught pulling a stunt like McDermott's Lord Haw Haw imitation.

This makes him far more dangerous to our nation's defense than either McDermott or Murray. I hate both those clowns with a passion that ends up making me want to chug Maalox by the bottle, but the fact that they ARE clowns limits the damage they can do.

137 steve miller  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 5:13:59am

FWIW, I am a Washington resident who got the same e-mail response from Patty Murray's office. And yet somehow I think I won't get a reasoned reply in return mail - her staff is crying that the shrill right-wingers are stirring up the trouble.

Which is true - because her own party is turning a blind eye to her idiocy and moral equivalence. One thing you gotta grant the Democrats - they don't have any will to oppose anyone in their own party AS LONG AS THEY VOTE THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET.

She thinks of me as a lost cause - merely someone to fund her continual pleas for higher taxes. She is the dimmest bulb in the dark chandelier of Democratic thought. And yet she is absolutely beloved by the Democratic party because of the hard vacuum between her two ears.

138 what the hell  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 5:32:50pm

how in the hell did this stupid broad get to speak in any kind of public forum ? better neighbor ? gimme a friggin break. The u.s. govt sends BILLIONS of dollars to 3rd world dumps every year, most of which probably want to kill us. Can we add this dipshit to the idiot of the year ballot? Oh yeah...1 more thing...she should be pistol whipped and shipped off to afghanistan to "build roads" like her hero Osama.

139 no way  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 5:45:14pm

murrays website ... [Link: www.imakethiskindofshitupallthetime.com...]

140 The Duke  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 6:27:48pm

It's not her fault!

It's the dress and tennis shoes combo, along with the hair. Not only is she the biggest moron in the mix next to her own McDermot, she's ugly as all getup! Get some paint on that face, woman! and lose the tennis shoes so that ass sticks out! No wonder she's stupid! She never gets any!

141 steve miller  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 7:02:34pm

Have you noticed how she always has a earpiece in her ear, attached to a tape player? Here's why: one day she went in to the Senate Barbershop for a hair cut. The barber asked her to remove the earpiece, and she immediately fell over, apparently dead. The barber picked up the earpiece, and heard, "Breathe in...breathe out...breathe in..." and so, thinking quicker than a Democrat, he replaced the earpiece, and Patty re-opened her eyes, asking, "What just happened?"

142 Mr. H  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 9:10:20pm

Well, Feste (#135), you do have some real geniuses for your local "officials".

Mine's bloviations are much louder, though. One would think that this kind of crap would hurt come election time. However, in the Soviet of Washington, voters reward idiotarian behavior.

143 marc  Sun, Dec 22, 2002 10:36:12pm

well, im sending this link and all these comments to Neal Boortz down in Atlanta, god, hes gonna have a field day once this things gets on WSB, whoo hoo!!! :)

144 Dingus Squatford Junior  Mon, Dec 23, 2002 5:42:26am

Nothing would piss off the Middle East more if Lieberman won the presidency...

145 NTropy  Mon, Dec 23, 2002 11:23:19am

In answer to "what is a troll?" - check here and maybe this:

Troll: A troll is a person who posts an article designed to annoy the users of a newsgroup. Used throughout the Internet.
146 D. Edgren  Mon, Dec 23, 2002 11:39:37am

This past Friday, when this all first came up, I noted in my post (#112) that I would stay up to send along the LGF comments made to that point to Senator Murray (who could have someone on her staff read them to her, I guess). Family needs interposed, and so I am just getting around to doing that today. Here's the few words of my own that I added.

___

Senator Murray:

I wanted to take a moment and forward to you the comments made through today from the “Little Green Footballs” weblog concerning your recent remarks about that paragon of third-world virtue Osama bin Laden (I read your subsequent statement- it didn’t change anything, except maybe to give further offense: I’m no right-winger, and most of the folks I know in the legal community here in Alaska have voiced opinions to me about the matter more exercised than mine). My comment, by the way, is #112. I didn’t have a chance to do the emailing I noted then- I had kids to take care of (as opposed to exploiting for political purposes).

Face the truth, Senator Murray. It is a certainty that large numbers of your constituents are really upset about what you said, and people from somewhere other than Washington who don’t have the privilege of voting for “the other candidate” will join them in 2004 in working for your defeat at the polls.

David R. Edgren
Wasilla, Alaska


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