Amen

Charles,
Have you considered programmically adding some sort of identification to first time posters or known troll's IP addresses? Probably more effort than it's worth but it would be neat to see:

#xx T.P. **troll alert**

or

#xx IdiotsRus **first post**

Quick sidetrack to mention an article I just read that I haven't seen referenced elsewhere yet:

[Link: www.ajn.com.au...]

"Students attacked, intimidated at national conference

An Australasian Union of Jewish Students (AUJS) executive member was physically attacked as last week's annual National Union of Students (NUS) conference descended into violence.

Cricket balls were thrown at AUJS national political officer Alex Lew last Tuesday as he took the floor during a debate on anti-terror legislation. Lew emerged unscathed, but later that day a fellow Melbourne University student told him that Zionists were placed at the top of a "hate list" that had been compiled.

As the seven-day conference came to a close on Friday night, Jewish delegates were relieved to walk away from the 350-strong gathering which featured numerous episodes of violence and underhanded attempts to intimidate Jewish students."

More at the link above.

Charles,

LOL! You're too much, honestly you are. Where do you come up with the things that you write? G-d you make me laugh.

Funny, I've been working on the serenity prayer for work-related situations as well. But I like this one best:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off.

And also help me to be careful of the toes i step on today as they may be connected to the ass that I may have to kiss tomorrow.

And help me to remember, when I'm having a really bad day and it seems that people are purposely trying to piss me off, that it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to extend my hand and slap the shit out of them.

--courtesy of an OR nurse who turned my meltdown on one particularly bad day in residency into an iced-tea-through the nose snortle-fest, God bless her!

OT but this Brit was cheered to see the following letter in the (UK) Daily Mail today. (No link)

The U.S. is the greatest power for good in the world and the free world owes its existence to her. The sooner ungrateful, stupid people realise it, the better.

The writer comes from my home county of Essex too!

Damn, Mommydoc! Do you know how hard it is to get Diet Coke off a computer screen? ROFL. Love ya.

Where does Ranbutan fit?

Kieron - God bless the writer, and all the other Brits who remain our friends.

Off topic, but I hope your "leaders" finally see the light and allow law-abiding people to own guns and defend themselves again soon.

Barbara--yup. Happens to me all the time here. Glad I could elicit the same reaction.

JLichty--sadly, morphed into troll. He's one of the "half-smart" to whom Charles referred earlier.

Where does Ranbutan fit?

Up Yasser's butt, and with room to spare.

Leave me alone, I'm stroking my troll.

Maine's Michael,

I love you.

Z:

:]

Michael: Me too, me too!

Barbara: BTW, I keep that gem in my palm pilot so that I can look at it whenever I get too pissed off!

LGF's fiskie award makes Best of the Web

OT

Saddam is up to his old tricks. UN experts are spying...

[Link: www.msnbc.com...]

Having spent some time on USENET, I know a thing or two about trolls, like Jane Goodall knows monkeys.

I posted this to a newsgroup a couple of years ago, as a contribution to the Science of Troll Recognition and Management:

"He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct ..." - APOCALYPSE NOW

I've spent some time on Usenet. To me, these groups ARE the internet. I never thought they should be a Sunday School picnic. Verbal warfare is part of the fun, and educational, too. In my time I've butted heads with unreconstructed Stalinists, unreconstructed Objectivists, Ecofascists, rabid anti-Semites, racist freaks, Scientologists, sheet-flapping Nazis, people who can't let go of the Confederacy, people who can't let go of the Equal Rights Amendment, and a ski instructor from Utah who was a borderline psychotic.

In all that time, G*** R*** is one of the very few people I've encountered who never has ANYTHING interesting to say, on ANY subject, EVER. Instead, he seems to have spent a good part of the last several years flooding Usenet with a combination of witlessness and obscenity. He sometimes makes even spam look good in comparison --- not quite, but almost.

G*** R***'s sole form of discourse is the ad hominem attack. Remarkably, he has failed to MASTER the ad hominem attack even after thousands of attempts. Instead he employs the same Junior-High-School-Locker-Room blusterings over and over, often without any regard for relevancy. We are all more or less interchangeable to him.

Consider this barrage: "Who gives a s--t what these nuts like or don't like. Koresh them all. ---G*** R***."

Now this sentiment was expressed not in one of the alt.politics forums, where people can generally take care of themselves ... No, this murderous imagery was unleashed in the pastoral confines of rec.backcountry (!!!), a place mostly inhabited by harmless, granola-munching bunny people. Needless to say, someone who would "Koresh" such mild folk is the sort of person who would lob mortar
shells into a petting zoo.

Now ladies, settle down!

Happily married, with two year old and three month old boys I dote on. My wife would like to see me spend less time at LGF, but between diaper changes and hide and seek, in the evenings and on WE's, LGF is perfect.

Having said that, if an LGF regulars group is interested in coming up to enjoy the lakes and mountains of Maine during the summer (in between debating the pros and cons of transfer, naturally), I would be pleased to host 'em at our place. My mother is active in Beit Halochem Canada and frequently hosts disabled Israeli soldiers on their visits to Montreal. It would be neat to have one or two visit at the same time time. I'll bet it can be arranged. We can accomodate about a half dozen people as guests for a few days.

I'm serious. It would be a pleasure. Think about it. I'll repeat the invite as summer approaches. I've been envious of those able to attend LGF bashes in NY or Socal.

I think lots of people here would welcome the opportunity to interact with wounded/disabled heros from Israel. Regardless of the visit to Maine, think about getting involved or contributing to Beit Halochem Canada or USA. A worthy cause.

Can I get and Amen from the Congregation?

#3 BrianJack

I hope things change before my sone goes to Uni

The serenity prayer is always good, no matter what the situation. It recognizes reality, reconizes where an individual has the power to do something, and focuses on keeping the difference in mind.

As for trolls, well...My dear Grandmother, bless her soul, used to tell me not to try to make sense out of nonsense. Waste of time and energy best spent elsewhere, and, besides, it'll give you a headache! As usual, she was right.

Mommydoc, I've had to slap another ThermalCare on my twisted, sore back because of you, but it's worth it.
Thanks for the laugh!

Maine's Michael:
Thanks for mentioning Beit Halochem, here is the Canadian link for other interested Canucks:
[Link: www.advi.ca...]

In brief defence...sure there are some of us who come along really trying just to rile you (little success) or bait you into saying stupid stuff (even less success) but I think there's also the point that before you can even hold a conversation about some of the issues on the right-wing agenda that has usurped the tag "commonsense", you have to see that something lies beyond your idea of what is "reasonable". That is, people you dismiss as trolls are taking things from another perspective. Would you shoot someone who spoke Gaelic just cause you didn't understand their language and what they said sounded like an insult?

Anyway in that spirit, last post to a website you'll consider frivolous:

joes.propadeutic.com

A GI JOE toy website. Read the character bio's, especially those of the "evil" characters. Man, the discourse of the GI JOE universe is the same as that of your geopolitical worldview.

As to Kieron dude what do you expect? A letter in the Mail (which sits on the right wing of mainstream papers whatever your perspective, even if you think the Guardian is further left than Mao the Mail is on your right).

Three cheers for the eccentric, confused, undecided, difficult Brits who probably would take those Palestinian students on, without thinking about it too hard, but trying to make the best of it. Just like they put up with demonstrations from all causes, sane and mad, at Trafalgar Square.

Keep being undecided and bewildered and indecisive and vaguely good-natured! Your uniquely hard-to-praise Britishness is a credit to you all.

Jealously, with a nod to anyone who thinks me a troll,

UNGLAUBLICHE NAME.

michael of the maine-
We had a family do up in your wood two years ago and it was fantastic-the most enduring souvenirs remain McCloskey's "Blueberries for Sal" and "One Morning in Maine", which my kids still enjoy.The Moose were elusive, though my mother is convinced she saw one during the (overpriced) boat safari .I'm off to miluim (reserve duty) in two weeks for a month in or (preferably) around Gaza, serving as a medic in an armored battalion. I'll add a bike trip over Acadia bridges to my list of things I'd rather be doing.

Hun Ordained Rabbi:

If you see any of my cousins or uncles on duty, say hello!

As for the moose, we have TONS of them up here, on our property. Deer, huge rabbits, foxes, and the odd black bear too. Bald eagles . . .

Charles,

Maybe it is time to make registration a requirement to post comments?

#27

GI JOE

Then we'd have no challenges. About the only thing most of us disagree on is how many of the Muslims are the enemy.

My personal favorite version of the prayer:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and a really big bag of money.

#22 - Your grandmother was right. It's no use trying to reason or argue with the trolls: "Never try to teach a pig (troll) to sing (think); it wastes your time, and it annoys the pig (troll)."

Just what exactly is the critera for one to be a troll?
Is it a troll if it dis-agrees with the common sentiments of a thread? Iam really curious because I was once called a troll for saying: "Death to Islam". I did not disagree with anything in the thread either but I was a
"Troll" to some. Iam new (relativly) to LGF. 7months or so. I regret that I often do NOT try and enter a comment thread because of the stigma of being called a troll. I often agree with the thoughts and sentiments of regular posters; but occasionally I have a different perspective. Does that make me a troll? Honestly; Is there a set of quidelines that makes one a troll? Iam hoping that just asking this question is not grounds for being a troll.

John K,

A troll is a lurker, one uninterested in a serious response, an instigator, a provocatour.

They are usually anon's and simply want to disrupt for the sake of disruption and to elicit a response.

Barbara Skolaut 1/6/2003 01:29PM:

Please do not compare trolls to pigs, you are causing a great offence to the noble swine.

In the immortal words of Winston Churchill: ?Dogs look up to men, cats look down on them, but pigs just treat us as equals.?

I think that a greater comparison would be to a skunk. It is an unwanted vermin that causes a ruckus wherever it goes. And though it may leave as quickly as it arrives, its? stench lingers for sometime afterward. The only creature that can tolerate a skunk is another skunk, which must be why they travel in packs sometimes.

Barbara:LOL back at ya!

#31 It is hard to define "trollness". The most common troll characteristic: they will not respond to arguments. Instead they will change the subject or use ad hominum attacks. They want to be listened to, but when someone challanges their arguments or claims, they do not answer the questions put to them. Finally, they tend to be very uncivil.

Ha! That's what I want on my T-shirt!

Theres not much to debate. Israel is an illegal state. Simple as that. Give the land back to its rightful owners and we'll let you live. If not, prepare for more suicide bombings. Your choice.

Israel is an illegal state.

Talk about fallacy. What states are 'legal'?

And trolls always, always assume that this website is inhabited by nothing but right-wing, cigar-chewing, gun-toting warmongers who eat babies for breakfast, their mothers for lunch, and Muslims for dinner.

Right-wing. Uh-huh. That would be why I voted for Gore in 2000. And am unashamed of announcing it on LGF. Of course, it might not rank as one of the smartest things I've ever done, but hey, I did it, and I'm admittin' it.

Not that I'd ever vote for the guy again, but that still doesn't make me right-wing.

I'm an LGF regular, trollbait. You know what that assume thing is all about...

#37:

Theres not much to debate.

Indeed. Fuck off, amoeba.

#37 is the pure definition of a troll, John K. Comments made not to further true dialogue or critical thinking, but just to inflame, to bait the other posters.

A troll seeks irate responses, sort of like the classic Star Trek episode in which some unseen force incites arguments because it feeds off the anger (not enough of a Trekkie to come up with an episode title or name of entity--just remember it from watching the original series as a kid.)

It's also similar to the paleos' MO--incite military reprisals for their terrorist actions and then cry to the court of world opinion about how badly they're treated. A true troll isn't interested in the content of your response; s/he is only interested in inciting you to the point where you stoop to the level of an ad hominem, so s/he can sit back and point out your inadequacies.

See for reference also: TH of Suburbia, Neale, Anil, Snowflake or Tokugawa. Mookie (notMookie Wilson) is the uber-troll, one of the very few to be banned by Charles.

Israel is one of the few legal states in existence. It was established not by conquest but by gift. The "palestineans" could have had a state as well, but have repeatedly turned down the opportunity.

I say "Bring on the Trolls." Let's rumble! Let's disect a troll and see what makes it so screwed up. Let's cook one and see what it tastes like with bar-b-que sauce. Let's have a good laugh. Where the hell are the trolls? What's wrong with troll hunting? Are they an endangered species? Let's trap them, skin them, and tan their hides. Let's pen them in a zoo and feed them nuts and fruits, hose them down and let them air dry, neuter and spay them, rope them and brand them, mark them and tag them, and listen to them wail and howl. Let's have a troll rodeo! Trolls on Parade! What is more amusing than a troll?

Q, Greg--remember the LGF prayer...

#38 Easy. States are legal if they are controlled by the people they govern. In other words: liberal democracies.

States like Israel for instance, the only democracy in the middle east. The only state in the middle east that has any respect for minority rights.

I disagree with Charles here, I think trolls should come here and be flailed and reduced to quivering masses of jelly

John K - #31 - Amin is a Troll. What better example!!

He lies. He postures. If I met him in a back alley, he'd shit himself.

He pretends he wants a fight, but if you blackened his eye, he'd run to his mommy and complain. Just like all the Islamofascists.

Laurence--the main reason is that feeding trolls not only eats up bandwidth, but storage space, which Charles pays for. Ultimately, he might have to charge for registration, which would limit intellectual exchange, or dump archives, which would also suck.

I think trolls should come here and be flailed and reduced to quivering masses of jelly

Boil 'em, says I!

#42

Yes, Israel is one of the few legal states if you consider "legal" to mean "viciously steal the homeland of another people and continuously trample upon the other people's rights by claiming that the fact that their (jewish) ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is justifiable reason for unlawful seizure of the land in the 20th century".

mommydoc (#44):

I know, but:

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.

--George Orwell

what unlawful seizure? Name one.

Meryl #39,

...nothing but right-wing, cigar-chewing, gun-toting warmongers who eat babies for breakfast, their mothers for lunch, and Muslims for dinner.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Arguing with Amin is a perfect example of futility, nothing will be accomplished. Ignore that man behind the curtain.

#52 you are throwing pearls before swine. Most of the trolls that come here do not even think the Jews have the right to exist, much less Israel. You can not reason with someone who thinks that it is okey dokey to intentionally kill babies, unarmed women and children, etc. to advance their cause. That is what the current troll is advocating: "Leave Israel or we will blow any Jew we see up".

I kind of like the version of Charle's prayer that was announced in "Calvin and Hobbes" some years back. It went something like:

Grant me the courage to change what I can, the serenity to accept what I cannot change, and the inability to tell the difference.

Anyway... OT, but some sort of grim mood swing made me go check out what those delightful young 'uns at clearguidance were up to. Kind of like that reflex that makes us all rubberneck at the scene of car wrecks. Anyway, among other gems (what a great guy Saddam is, how the West will be destroyed to make way for the worldwide caliphate, etc.), someone had posted the following (a reprint from another source):

The Muslim world has found a novel way to strike back at the West ? or at least at Western bankers who rule the world's currencies ? introduce a gold coin. Malaysia expects to use gold dinars to trade only between Islamic countries beginning in 2003 [...]

The result of a gold-backed currency in the world could cause the US dollar to crash in value. Some suggest the gold dinar would cause a shift in economic power from the West to the East. Trading in Islamic dinars is also planned to open up on the Internet.

My response: giggle. snort. giggle. boo HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (tears rolling down cheeks) stop it, man, yer killin' me! hee hee HAHAHA...

Okay, sorry. Right, gold standard. Y'all go ahead and do that. Good luck to you. Oh--and by the way, I'm sure if you equip your armies with some of those nasty-looking scimitars, they'll be completely unstoppable, and the U.S. Marines will tremble before them.

Anil,
what's your name? What's wrong with you>I bet you think you're funny.Here is a potential cure for your problems.

#51 Q:

And you perform that duty with a great deal of panache! Keep on rockin'.

I am bending over now...and... yes I did it, I finally licked my own troll. Kama Allah Sutra position #2560

Vait till I tell my ham-ass boys. Who needs virgins when we can lick our own?

Let's see - Israel was got its land by fighting three wars (at least) and countless skirmishes, inhabits SOME of the land granted to it by the United Nations (the other parts were STOLEN from Israel by Arabs before and during partition, dontcha know), is the ONLY democracy in the ME (that I know of - when's the last time the inhabitants of Saudi Arabia voted?), lets its soldiers argue in court that they shouldn't have to serve in affairs they don't personally like - and these soldiers live to tell, etc., etc., etc. Israel CREATES from nothing (what was Tel Aviv before the Israelis built it?) a land that employs Arabs from other lands (Arabs who enter by their own choice), Israel in its pre-existence and early existence builds settlements on land PURCHASED from Arabs, etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum. The Arabs sit on sand and build NOTHING, cheer whenever a splodeydope 'splodes, cheer when toddlers are killed in their own homes by terrorists, cheer (and pass out CANDY) when planes crash into buildings in NYC and WADC, taking 3000 lives, etc., etc., etc.

But Amin-of-the-Eternal-Lies trots out something he heard at the mosque last Friday, and we are supposed to quiver at the force of his logic.

On one hand, you should stick around, Amin-of-the-Eternal-Lies, because you are the touchstone of Islamite rationality. On the other hand, you bring no meaningful thought to the discussion.

Perhaps you just have some free time ever since the IDF closed down your classes "Killing 101 - why death is at the heart of the Islamite theology" at Nablus?

#24 - Mr. Unpronounceable wrote:

... the discourse of the GI JOE universe is the same as that of your geopolitical worldview.

I don't know what that means. My "Post-Tet" GI Joe didn't have a "worldview". He had a beard and scruffy, civilian-looking clothes. I suspect he burned his little toy draft card.

If you mean that we look at the world in "black and white terms" (as the moral agnostics like to put it) then I guess you have a point. We do tend to draw those dangerous distinctions between good and evil.

When will we learn to see the world as the Euroweenies do: One big existential blur, in which everyone is morally impotent because everyone is equally guilty?

Amin the terror supporter is right here in the US of A.

Charles, post his info for us to see. Trolls prosper in anonymity. Tell us who they are and they will whither.

Re: #58

Panache, you say? ;-)

the problem with the word troll is, me thinks, it is thrown around to liberally. now clearly on this thread Amin is your garden variety troll, and should be called the same loudly: TROLL. conversely, others such as Jim West, Anil, Ranbutan, to name a few i think are sometimes called trolls wrongly. be that as it may, i do enjoy a good ole fashioned troll fisking.

OT: since calvin and hobbes left the cartoons the world has been a much darker place.

#60

So because Israel is a democracy and the people of Israel have collectively decided to unlawfully occupy lands it makes it ok? So, its the people of Israel who have stolen the lands? Hey, thanks for giving us justification to kill civilians!

Who cares that Israel is a democracy, why do you people keep bringing it up. And if Palestine was a democracy, the people would vote for suicide bombings (and rightfully so), so be happy that its not a democracy.

#55

We gotta do what we gotta do to get OUR land back.

Lets call the FBI on 'Amin' and get his sandy ass deported!?

(Ignoring my own advice and New Year's resolutions)

Amin:

Learn some fucking history, you idiotarian troll.

A-rab "Amin"

And we gotta do what we gotta do to KILL YOU FIRST!

We got bigger BOMBS to melt your families with and you got ugly women!

The Cure - Killing An arab

I can smell you sweaty stink from here.

mommydoc,

Yes, I'm really going to read a history written by the Jewish Internet Association. Do i tell you to go read the Nazi version of the history of World War II?

bill: I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't reveal personal info without a good reason.

#50
Wa wa wa.

For argument's sake, I'll grant your point, but it seems to me then, that what you are really saying is that the God of the Jews is stronger than your "god" Allah.

Seems to me Allah hasn't done SHIT for you lately. Maybe you should consider converting to Judaism or Christianity.

#72

we'll prevail

#70 Ding! Ding! Ding! we have a loser. He compared mommydoc to a nazi. Automatic disqualification for any internet discussion.

A-rab Minnions

The New York 101st will be in your grandmothers house busting down your caves in that slimy desert you live in before the end of this month.

The time for bluster is over

your over,
your all over,
your seed is over,
it is too late for you...

your over.

Amin:

You are a fucking idiot.

Fuck off, putz.

(sorry for feeding him)

TROLL DETECTION KIT:

Trolls' beliefs follow a standard outline, whose roots are in the anti-American, Jew hating, Marxist rhetoric of Noam Chomsky, Said, etc. along with generous doses of Jewish loony-leftist rhetoric, courtesy of Israel's New Historians (read: anti-Zionists) and Jewish anti-semites such as Ben Shapiro.

Also, trolls may have names like: Pal Supporter, Proud American Concerned About Others, etc. Admittedly, I'm seeing less of this.

But, Trolls will almost always (in approximate order).

1. Say they are anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.

2. Compare Israel's tactics to the Nazis.

3. Focus exclusively on the settlements, or the past policies of the Irgun - implying that these issues are the main reasons for the Arab-Israeli conflict. Sub bullets to this gambit may include but are not limited to:

a. References to Israel's "brutal" tactics of "targeting Palestinian civilians" in the territories.

b. Misrepresentations of resolution 242.

c. The providing of "documentation" of some kind from Jewish sources, showing that Israel is indeed committing atrocities on the Pals. Haaretz is a favorite place for this, being its center/left tendencies, coupled with its employment of loony leftists like Amira Hass, Tom Segev, etc., who, when taken out of context, often sound like anti-semites, and in context, come across as radical anti-zionists.

AFTER refutations - complete with links and historically validated assertions by such astute and patient bloggers as Lichty, E. Nough, and Master Charles Johnson, etc - are posted, said troll (having ignored said refutations) will do the following:

1. Focus on the "Zionist Lobby".

2. Set out to prove that Israel is a threat to the U.S., by bringing up the Dreyfuss affair, the bombing of the U.S.S. Liberty, the accusation that Mossad "knew" about September 11th, etc.

3. Attempt to provide documentation of some kind from various sources, proving above claims. At this, trolls are insufferable. Whether it be the bogus Body of Secrets, Indymedia, Justin Raimondo, The Guardian, Benny Morris' Righteous Victims (which Morris has admitted to Efraim Karsh has some research "slants" based on his former politics, "authentic" DEA documents, or James Bennet of The New York Times, trolls (without shame) will invariably use sources that have a history of anti-Israeli bias and/or anti-semitism, or carry information that is unauthenticated. I once saw a Palestinian troll (or so he said) link to an anti-aboriginist hate site supported by David Duke. When I called him on that he...just kept on trolling. (Admittedly, that is when my other, obnoxious, childish personality of TROLLCRUSHER was born. I just realized that there is no way you could take these people seriously).

TROLLS, on the Iraq issue, will say:

1. It's all about oil.

2. The U.N. is the law center of the world (despite its obvious corruption and anti-Western, anti-Semitic agenda)

3. Bush is trying to make up for what his "daddy" did or didn't do.

And finally:

After playing the above cards, trolls will resort to posturing, saying things like:

"You are bigots. No wonder why so and so said this is a hate sight."

"Thank you for providing valuable insight into the way the Jewish and/or Zionist mind works. I've often encountered this at Zionist web sites. I can't say anything about Israel without jews going crazy."

"Oh great, so Jewish and or Christian extremism is O.K., but Islamic extremism isn't. Why don't you get mad at the Christian right?"

"I'm don't hate jews. I just can't stand Zionists."

More later.

David

#70   Amin  1/6/2003 03:07PM PST
mommydoc,

Yes, I'm really going to read a history written by the Jewish Internet Association. Do i tell you to go read the Nazi version of the history of World War II?

let me translate:

mommydoc,

No i am a complete and utter moron and i would never want to learn something that would put to question my idiotic ideas. oh and zionism = nazism.

i got my minor in the troll language.

say Amin jews are the historical, indigenous, legal and moral caretakers of Israel. just because the "palestineans" were/are too stupid to take advantage of the UN's offer of statehood, i can only say: boo fucking hoo.

A-rab (Orcs) Minnions

You'll prevail in a tomb at the bottom of the desert forever.

I gaurantee nukes (plural that means more than one) will rain down on A-rab countries before the end 2005.

Amin,
Getting to the Afterlife first does not prevailing make.

This thread is starting to resemble the "racial slur montage" from "Do The Right Thing". Yep, it's all here--kill the Arabs, Jews are Nazis, our god can beat up your god. Is it a full moon tonight?

Notice how the trolls definition of unlawful is anything he declares to be unlawful. No reference to any actual laws that have been broken. A classic troll like behavior.

No mention of the UN and the balfor declaration or of the jews that lived in Israel beforehand either.

we'll prevail

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ahhh. Thanks for the laugh, moron.

hun ordained rabbi: I've had those two books since i was a wee tyke!

A-rab (Orcs) Minnions

You lost before you even started.

Time and history are both against the A-rabs, they can never prevail in any offensive.

The most they will gain is more death and destruction but as we all know that is what you want so we are here and happy to oblige.

Just get us started and then there is no stopping us untill we annihilate you.

Re: #77

Set out to prove that Israel is a threat to the U.S., by bringing up the Dreyfuss affair

Shouldn't it be "a threat to France"?

#86 Q--

I think the reference in this case is to mediocre actor Richard Dreyfus(s). I think we can all agree that Mr. Holland's Opus is a threat to America.

#78

Who cares that jews were the historical (ie 2000 years ago) caretakers of the holy land. The palestinians were the modern caretakers of the holy land until they were forced out by the zionists a half century ago. 2000 year old claims are not valid, you morons.

If century old claims are really valid then pretty much all of the USA should be handed back to the native americans.

Amin:

Like the Palestinians prevailed when Jordan kicked them out?

Must be some odd definition of the word "Prevail" that I'm not familiar with.

J.

Sorry, wrong one. Meant the guy who was spying for Israel in the U.S. . Please modify accordingly. Thanks

2000 year old claims are not valid, you morons.

This would be akin to the pot calling the kettle black. . . except that you, dickhead, are the only moron on this thread. Please crawl back to your squalid, disgusting hole.

TROLL TRAITS, CONTINUED:

Notice how TROLL Amin snaps at every piece of criticism or argument thrown his way. Things like "we will prevail", "you morons" etc. We call this TROLL TERETS, a common trait amongst Muslims and/or their supporters with inferiority complexes.

If the vendictive behaviour doesn't display itself in fits such as the above, the troll will invariably resort to answering questions with...questions.

Such as, So because Israel is a democracy and the people of Israel have collectively decided to unlawfully occupy lands it makes it ok? So, its the people of Israel who have stolen the lands?

This only reiterates that Trolls are not interested in debating, but are really interested in getting attention that they obviously lack at home and need to feel from strangers over a computer screen.

Um, folks... isn't it just a bit ironic that all this Sturm und Drang is being provoked by a troll, in a thread that's supposed to be ABOUT IGNORING TROLLS???

JUST

LEAVE

IT!

A-rab (Orcs) Minnions

I know this much is true

God may forgive but the 101st doesn't

nor do any New Yorkers,

you will always have to pay for your evil deeds,

you must be punsihed,

you must all pay for your wickedness,

the same wickedness you still embrace to this day,

the only way your wickedness will end is by us ending you we now know this much is true,

you will always have to suffer for what you have done,

their is no repentance on earth,

the best we can do is bring you to hell quicker through the barrel of a gun.

You better start praying because you are all going to hell sooner than later

I know..

This much is true

Everyone respond to Amin with one word:

GAZE. Implying you are gazing at him and giving him the attention he craves.

GAZE

GAZE at the troll

Amin the Troll:

Blogger James Lileks answers you much better than I can. About the Palis:

Before I didn't care what happened to the people in the organizations that arrange these attacks. Now I don't care about what happens to the culture that permits it. Approves

I feel exactly the same way. I no longer feel sorry for Pali mothers who wail and cry for the cameras when these same mothers teach their children to be as ugly and bigoted as you. If Israel magically disappeared tomorrow, "Palestine" would be just one more primitive Middle Eastern shithole that nobody (not the EU, not the Left, not the Saudis, not anybody) would care about.

Israel is actually the greatest gift the Arab rulers have been given over the past 50 years. They can be complete and utter failures as rulers, can refuse to democratize their countries at all (clearly you don't care about democracy), but because Israel exists all they have to do is scream "Zionists! Zionists!" and their ignorant, moronic, hate-filled subjects jump up and down like a pack of frenzied lunatics and froth at the mouth like rabid dogs. That's exactly what they want you to do - keeps the spotlight off the fact that they're miserable excuses for rulers and human beings.

When will the Arabs create instead of destroy? When will they be honest about their failings as a society instead of crying and feeling sorry for themselves and blaming the Israelis and the Americans for their misery?
Amin doesn't give us much hope that they will grow up any time soon.

(And excuse me for feeding the troll. It's been a rough Monday, and my tolerance for dimwits was exhausted at approximately 11:37 this morning.)

#87 A very grave threat. What I don't get is that he was working for all those years on his music and when it was performed at the end of the movie it really stunk. Couldn't they have at least made his composition a tiny bit interesting or at least have a catchy melody? It kind of made it seem like his life was a waste after all.

Re: #87

More like an annoyance, but :-)

I want to ask this before I go:

Amin, what does it feel like to wake up every morning, and know that you are a member of history's biggest LOSERS whose only joy in life is to blow themselves up -who were bested by the world's smallest religious minority? It must be a terrible feeling to live with such shame and self hatred.

Tell me, have you tried Zoloft yet?

It looks like this is a good thread to test the LGF prauer.

To those who can't tell the difference, Amin is a troll.
Do not feed him.

Amin - Israel is a lawful democracy, hence all of Israeli land belongs to it's citizens: Arabs and Jews alike. Israeli Arabs are given as many rights as the Jews, or the Druze people, or any other Israeli minority. Arabs are living peacefully on their ancestral land and they are prospering.

The Arabs who did not flee in 1948 to be kept in refugee camps and to be used as a weapon by their Arab neighbors are currently enjoying the fruits of Israel's prosperity and democracy.

Do you really think somebody will be swayed by your lies here, of all places? Go to yahoo or usenet with your lies, maybe you'll be able to fool some uneducated teenagers there.

And sorry, I don't have the serenity to ignore this troll..

Donna #97

Who asked for your sympathy in the first place? You are part of the problem. We don't want your sympathy and your superior attitude (paraphrasing you: "our society is better than yours").

#81 full moon is the 18th. if its this good now, just wait til then.

Oh.
My.
Gosh.

Now it's name-calling by Amin! We cower in the face of your response!

However -

IIRC, Israel was granted its land by the United Nations at the end of WWII, so it has full legal right to its existence.

Land for Israeli settlements prior to WWII was gained through legal payments to legal property owners.

The West Bank is disputed territory, and fell into Israel's lap after her enemies tried to conquer her in '67 and '73. So Israel can do what it likes with it.

And they have the guns, Amin. (Funny how few Israeli suicide bombers there are, ain't it? Almost like they just want to live in peace, while the Islamites just want to kill people.) And the Israeli ain't going away, no matter how much you wish you could be the coal-stoker for the Arabs' war against them.

So deal with it. Get over your shrieking irrationality, and go build a civilization of your own that can match 1% of what Israel has brought to the ME.

Does it enrage you in the least to see that the ME with all the oil has virtually NOTHING to show for it, while the West, which purchased the oil, has built modern civilization? Why didn't - and haven't - the Arabs done anything besides fund Islamite terrorists to blow up Western civilization? Why doesn't it enrage you that after 50+ years of the West paying billions for oil, that the Arab nations have done virtually NOTHING for their inhabitants? (I can't call them citizens, because - as you know - Arab nations don't let their inhabitants vote or otherwise control their own governments. But boy do they have nice parades of kids dressed as splodeydopes!)

In the meantime, PLEASE stick around, because with every word you type you further alienate any rational man, woman, and child on this planet.

Yep, your So-Called Religion of Peace (SCROP?) certainly sounds attractive! I can see why so many people are flocking to Arab lands to become part of the great civilization that has bred someone like you.

98 superfly:

[Richard Dreyfus in Mr. Holland's Opus is] A very grave threat. What I don't get is that he was working for all those years on his music and when it was performed at the end of the movie it really stunk. Couldn't they have at least made his composition a tiny bit interesting or at least have a catchy melody? It kind of made it seem like his life was a waste after all.

LOL!

I can't ignore this:

(paraphrasing you: "our society is better than yours").

OUR SOCIETY IS BETTER THAN YOURS, TROLL.

Oops.

GAZE

Oh, sorry.

MEGO

(MEGO == "My Eyes Glaze Over" whenever I hear the "poor Palis" routine. Older than "Who's on First", and not nearly as original)

Erik #103

And sorry, I don't have the serenity to ignore this troll..

Yes, I can tell you are lacking in many categories besides serenity. Maybe sense too?

Yep, I think MEGO is a much better response to the trolls. They think your listening, but ...

Steve and GI Joe are clearly racists.

Maybe it's something I ate, but I think this is the funniest thread we've had for a long time. We owe Amin a vote of thanks for all the amusement.

GAZE

Hey, #110

MEGO

superfly & Q:

Now that I think of it, what pissed me off even more was Dreyfuss in Once Around. Jebus, what an awful movie. Let's re-open the prison on Devil's Island just for the actors, producers, and scriptwriters responsible for that piece of crap.

(See how well we're ignoring the troll?) (I also want no part of what GI Joe is selling in this thread, either)

An LGF Haiku

Palestinian
Arabs cry that they're victims ?
But my eyes glaze over.

Hey, Amin must be getting all upset, he's starting to get insulting!
Maybe Amin should go crying back to his wittle mommy so she can instruct him on how to become a suicide bomber and he can feel better.

And the rest of us here can go back to gazing at him.

Wait a second...

Did a pro terrorist Jew murderer call me 'racist!?'

aw shucks..

now I really feel bad...

#37 Amin
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Keep up with that attitude and Mecca-Medina-Qom will get nuked within 3 years. Your Dar Al Islam will reach it's ultimate realization. It will crumble and the smile wiped off your faces.

Davesax, Posted this the other day which parallels your GAZE line.

Trolls are looking for recognition. Usually they say things that are outrageous and inflammatory for the sole purpose of getting a response. The best way to drive a troll to distraction is to debate their points, but not with them. Talk about them, refer to them and refute them, but never actually talk to them. Works every time.

#104- well, it is. The truth is often painful. Its nice that you get to come on here and say stuff, but you'd be better off it you went off and said it all to a mirror, and then listened to its response.

Hey, we don't want your shitcan war and we don't want your matching "religion" and if we really wanted "your" oil, we'd take it faster than you could scream Allahu Akbar. Luckily for middle eastern tyrants (like the House of Saud), it's against US law to sanction political offings.

You don't get our sympathy and perhaps the superior attitude is warranted. Anything you can do, we will do better.

"Society"

So, is that what passes for a society in the desert...

sheesh, sux to be an A-rab!

charles
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To lessen your burden, so you can take care of the more important stuff, you could authorize a few people to zap the troll posts.

Geepers,

100% true.

avoid 'its' existence.

Use third person perspectives when refering to it.

OT (yet again!): apparently Saddam Hussein has now referred to the United States in his latest speech as "wicked assistants of Satan".

This will not stand.

"Assistants" to Satan??? This putz thinks he can demote us from being the GREAT Satan to a bunch of mere "assistants"???

#123 & Charles,
Instead of zapping them to oblivion, troll posts could be zapped to a special Troll Zoo or Viewing section, or if you're feeling frisky, a Troll Hunting section. Might get a little rough though.

RE #125:

I don't know how we in the West can stand it when the Arabs call us names. It's hard enough to go to work, but when I think that Saddam is comparing America to Satan, it just saps my will.

Time for some Zam-zam Cola to pick me up, I think.

GI JOE

sheesh, sux to take your name from a children's cartoon

#121

You are also part of the problem. So you're saying that we are suppose to be grateful that the USA hasn't invaded our land to steal our oil (although its about to happen in iraq? ok. what kind of argument is that?

What I don't get is that he was working for all those years on his music and when it was performed at the end of the movie it really stunk.

Seriously. I kept waiting for them to show people in the audience looking around nervously at each other, wondering whether to clap. "Sit down, Holland! YOU SUCK!"

Dear Idi Amin; You'll prevail, that's why your loser ass is in the USA. You are obviously totally out of touch with reality as are all religious fanatics. Just keep up with the "struggle" and some day soon one (of many) of our SLBMs Boats will settle your hash permanently. Oh not you since you are hiding behind a keyboard. Your type prefers teenage girls to fight your battles.

GI JOE, How lame an ad hominem was that?

#110 Amin, Amin. Come on buddy, that hurt. If you're not going to defend your worthless argument then at least tell me this: what do you aim at achieving by posting lies and personal attacks here? Do you hope to persuade somebody to your point of view with this sort of argument? Seriously, I suggest you vanish before you get banned.

TROLLING OR REALITY???

I try to give another perspective...which at times those engaged in group think on LGF, object to: (Kill all the Pals who resist us taking everything we once owned next week! {next person} No, expel them all and kill them tomorrow if they resist! {person after that}Oh, Rambutan is back...I wonder what unrealistic BS he will interject into our brilliant dialogue??)

But rather than give you my spin on reality, here is a link to what the Quartet decided last Friday.

EU, Russia, UN, US reject Israeli Objections

Looks like 1967 borders with minor modifications, no pre-determination on Jeruselem, and evacuation of the Settlements.

One thing I disagree with was the US agreeing that Bush spoke too hastily about rejecting Arafat at the Table...because other parties and international law recognize the right of a bona-fide leader (and he was elected such) to represent his nation in negotiations. And the US cannot breach accepted diplomatic protocol.

If that article is trolling LGF...I feel sorry for the person in the midst of a "Greater Israel" wet dream, standing in the middle of the road, oblivious to the horn of the oncoming truck.

Uh-oh

I think I just figured something out.

1) This thread, by Charles, says don't feed the trolls, and
2) A troll mysteriously appears.

Conclusion: the troll does not exist in reality; rather, it is a factotum created by Charles to test our commitment to follow Charles' request.

And [sigh] I have failed. I failed to see that there wasn't anyone real behind the façade. This thread-troll is nothing more than a bot.

:(

Boy, was I fooled.

Charles, you sure are clever!

Sorry Charles for feeding Amin the Troll. Lucky for him this is a civilizied country unlike the third-world shithole that spawned him. Otherwise us "racists" could give him the Sharia-law unwed mother treatment.

Infidel (#130) The real Idi Amin is living comfortably on the goodwill of the Saudi royal family; I expect this one is living off the US government dole for aid to dependant children.

mmm zam zam.

you know as much as drefus (or whoever you spell it) hasn't done a decent flix since Jaws, he is surprisingly (for a hollywood weenie) pretty thoughtful about world events (i.e. he doesn't follow the babs striesand, susan sarandon line hook,line and sinker)

gaze

i read lgf everyday...usually a couple of times a day so i can keep up with whats being said...i almost never post, primarily because i generally agree with most of the things said here. one thing im still trying to figure out though. what does OT mean?

Dreyfuss peaked in Close Encounters of the Worst Kind. His Goodbye Girl was emotionally shallow and manipulative. I cheered at his demise in Jaws.

And Mr. Holland's Opus? Puh-leeze - it was unbelievable.

GAZE

#139:

PENALTY FLAG!!! You brought in a separate topic into this thread!!!

That's clearly Off Topic, and forbidden!

OT == Off Topic.

#139,

OT = Off topic

I think you have to invite trolls into your website for them to attack you, wait, that's vampires.

Short form for trolls' arguments (A-Z):

It's all dem J-E-W-S.

Short response for trolls:

GAZE

here Amin...

Every time I think I?ve had it I find that there are still a few jots of sympathy left - and by ?sympathy? I mean that last weary civilized impulse that makes you stay the hand of your inner beserker. I don?t think I?m alone in this.

It doesn?t mean there?s now a vast angry mass advocating for the immolation of those who want to scour the earth clean of Jews. No. But before I didn?t care what happened to the people in the organizations that arrange these attacks.

Now I don?t care about what happens to the culture that permits it. Approves of it. Defends it, sanctions it, shelters it, sings it praises, names streets after the men who do it. I?m done. I don?t want to hear the word ?but? in any sentence uttered by a PLO / Fatah / Al Aqsa / Hamaz / Hezbollah apologist.

I don?t want to hear the phrase ?cycle of violence? used outside the context of a gang fight at the Tour De France.

I never want to see Arafat asking for anything anywhere any more. I don?t want to see people on the West Bank cheering as clumsy Scuds lumber over their heads in February, because I know they?ll head to Israeli hospitals when the germs hit them, and I know they?ll be admitted for treatment.

I?m not saying I wish them ill. But the line of people I care about now is very, very long. The apologists and supporters of the bombers can get behind the 100 wounded I never met. The 20 who died. The one who was the child of a father my age.

And when it?s their turn to ask for my sympathy, I?ll probably point to the line with 3000 New Yorkers, and kindly request that they head to the back.

Nail bombs in a cafe. Jesus Christ.

from
[Link: www.lileks.com...]

..find a quarter, call someone who cares...

#133 Ranbutan! You made my day! You finally learned to use "greater Israel" instead of "Eretz Israel." Thank you.

My answer to your post is here

one last question...when are the shirts gonna be available charles?

Lots of fun nothing quite like watching the roasting of a troll over an open fire on a cool winter night.

ran - 1) the link is wrong, 2) arafat was not a democratically elected leader (jesus h christ what is wrong with people?), but let's pretend he was - HIS TERM RAN OUT YEARS AGO. thus even if he was democratically elected (not) he is now, since he extended his term by fiat, an unelected dictator, 3) i have rarely seen anyone on LGF have "greater Israel wet dreams"; i wd even go so far as to say up until 00 most people were excited about a two state solution, which wd result in peace (your assertions to the contrary notwithstanding) and 4) i don't recall anyone complaining about giving up the Sinai because in word and deed saddat showed that he wanted peace; your and other idiots assertion that israel has some colonialistic fantasies is hokum (that is not to say that i wd accept a palestine state 1) now 2) one with arafat or 3) one which does not allow jews to live there and worship there as well).

ran - you are proving yourself to be a borderline troll.

OT, and I posted it elsewhere as well, but if this is true, it's an unbelievable scandal:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Damn, looks like someone stomped on a 3 ft tall fireant bed. We've got the trolls coming out of the wood work just to respond.

Dreyfuss peaked in Close Encounters of the Worst Kind. His Goodbye Girl was emotionally shallow and manipulative. I cheered at his demise in Jaws.

Aha! How quickly you forget that Dreyfuss survives the attack on the shark cage in Jaws! Only by surviving could he have resurfaced in Mr. Holland's Opus and unleashed something far more deadly than a killer Great White: symphonic music that sounds as though it passed through the musical sphincter of John Tesh. BARF.

Kirk - ya snuze, ya luze!

We had someone show up and say something, I think, but it was like a poor phone call - all full of static and burps.

So after a while, we just stopped listening and responding with 100% Effective Troll-shield: The GAZE.

I've often found some comments to be mildly amusing, but never enough to make me splutter edibles or potables over my keyboard.

But this thread?! I'm laughing so hard I'm scaring small children...

Thanks, everyone, I really needed that after yesterday--oldest daughter flew back to University, I couldn't get hold of my Netanya-resident parents until past midnight Israel time, and just the general lousy news.

Charles, please don't ban what's-his-name, I'm having so much fun.

GAZE

Mr. Holland's Opus is the perfect music to accompany Star Trek I: The Endless Loving Review of NCC-1701-A by a Slowly-Moving Camera Followed by Slowly-Moving Dressed-up People Impersonating Actors

OT, maybe, but here's a juicy tid-bit for the lurking troll:

GAZE

Everyone, please remember that you have to take a troll's perspective into account when considering their position on the issues.

Meryl #39

And trolls always, always assume that this website is inhabited by nothing but right-wing, cigar-chewing, gun-toting warmongers who eat babies for breakfast, their mothers for lunch, and Muslims for dinner.

You mean it isn't? Sheesh, I must have been hanging out in the wrong place all this time :>) LOL!

#146

GAZE and SHOOT

[Link: www.themushroom.com...]

Geepers,

I'll sue you for making me look at that picture!

Iron Fist:
Amin hasn't quoted any SUN TZU for us yet.
:-)

Steve Miller,

Crap. I thought that clips from Full Metal Jacket would apply here. Sorry. They do work when you download them to your pc.

Zulubaby (#163):

Spoiled your apetit, huh? ;-)

Sorry, I can't resist (this is fun). Amin wrote:

(paraphrasing you: "our society is better than yours").

Yup, it sure is. I thank almighty God every single night that I was not born in an Arab country where men treat women like sh*t and the men are treated like sh*t by their rulers.

Tell me one thing, moron, if your so-called society is so terrific, why do Arabs emigrate to the West and America en masse, but nobody in their right mind would emigrate to an Arab country.

And charges of racism are pig crap. You're the same race as me: Caucasian.

"who eat babies for breakfast"

No, thats the Chinese.

[Link: weeklystandard.com...]

I dunno what you people are complaining about, Amin is awesome! I have more respect for Amin than I do for any PLO spokesperson or any Arab leader/spokesperson for that matter - he at least tells it like it is, no hiding behind the B.S. that little vermin like Arafat do.

Take this statement that he made in post #88:

Who cares that Arabs were the historical (ie 500 years ago) caretakers of the holy land. The Israelis are the modern caretakers of the holy land and are now being forced (at least attempted to be) out by the Europeans and Arabs. 500 year old claims are not valid, you morons.

If century old claims are really valid then pretty much all of the USA should be handed back to the native americans.

Historical corrections made by me. Of course I could have mentioned the Turks or the British as "modern caretakers" - Apparently their claims to the land would be just as valid in Amin's eyes (or is there a random cutoff date - did they miss the deadline to apply for the land?). The great thing is that he basically agrees that the land deservedly belongs to Israel because they control it now, and that this war that he is calling for and supporting is a war of aggression - at least he admits it.

But I gotta respect Amin for telling it like it is. He knows what he wants (genocide) and clearly advocates it - much more respectable than any PLO leader in existence today.

Roach #158 you forgot Kissinger's insane support of Indonesia's Genocide in East Timor.

Thanks Iron Fist. The Islamists can't really be as dumb as they appear, can they? Thanks for answering that burning question Amin.

Well, all in all, a good release of steam in this thread.

But in the end, what empathy I had for the cause of the West Bank and Gaza residents completely disappeared on 9/11/01, when I watched them cheering and shooting off guns, celebrating the events that killed 3000 Americans.

I will confess - and not to my honor, but my shame - that I tried very hard to stay "neutral" WRT Israel vis-a-vis the West Bank and Gaza residents before this. I tried to believe that the WB&G residents were rational and reasonable.

I was wrong to do so, because the struggles of Israel and the struggles of the Arabs are not comparable.

I was wrong to do so, because I had blinded my eyes to the people of Israel and their attempts to build a land of freedom and security and peace, and I had failed to think of the horrific events that have been occuring daily in the ME against the Jews.

I was wrong to do so, because so much of what comes from the ME non-Jews is raving lunacy, and not just from its terrorist leaders - it also comes from its so-called mainstream leaders and media.

I was wrong to do so, because I claim to be an American and a supporter of democracy and human freedom, but I trifled with the efforts and lives of Israelis by not treating their desires to live in peace, security, and freedom as something as real to them as my own desires for the same here in the US. I didn't take it seriously that they just want to live, see their kids grow up, bounce their grandchildren on their knees.

I hid my head in the sand, thinking myself safe in America, and thinking that if I just didn't think about it, it would go away. Maybe the Arabs would give up and come to a reasonable modus vivendi with Israel. Why couldn't they see the rationality behind Sadat's treaty with Israel and understand that Israel wasn't going to leave?

But 9/11 woke me up, I think, and I can no longer take the cries of victimhood by the Arabs seriously. All their focus is seemingly against Israel and the Jews. (Read the "Arab News from Saudi Arabia," for example, and see if there's any condemnation of Islamite-against-Islamite slaughter in Algeria. No, it's always Israel's fault.) It's always the Jews, according to the Islamites, and it's just tiresome. It's always the blood-thirsty cries for revenge, and the shooting of rifles in the air, and the invective against Jews, and the endless, boring, monotonous claims of victimhood of the Islamites.

So, when I see a troll appear on this site, I play with it like a cat plays with a mouse - but I just don't take anything a troll says seriously. I treat it like someone reading a script generated by a 1000 monkeys trapped in a room: it may sound like it's intelligent, but really, it's nothing more than random vowels.

Sigh...sorry about the downer of this. The thread's funny, but I get tired of the trolls.

Roach #158 you forgot Kissinger's insane support of Indonesia's Genocide in East Timor.

Thanks Iron Fist. The Islamists can't really be as dumb as they appear, can they? Thanks for answering that burning question Amin.

#133 Ranbutan
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Malicious bastard twit that you are, you should be the first barred from LGF. Go sprinkle your fairy dust elsewhere.

174 Steve Miller
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Good on ya! Better late than never.

mommydoc,

You're the best! I voted for Gore, too. :-)

BTW, great links in #68, even if they were pearls before the halal swine.

I guess our visiting Troll thinks that he's helping "the cause" of his splodydope brethren by spewing bile here. LOL. If he were such a committed warrior for Islam, he wouldn't be sitting on his fat ass in the U.S. tippy- tapping away on his keyboard.

Oh, but maybe he's a member of one of those terrorist cells that Steve Emerson talks about in "Jihad in America." Maybe you should pass his location along to the FBI, Charles. They might be interested in the contents of his computer or the status of his visa.

It's so unfortunate when certain people remove all doubt of their stupidity by opening their mouths. Ruins all the suspense. Don't you just hate when that happens?

Echoing what some others have said, it really is interesting to compare the achievements of 1 billion + Muslims to 12 million Jews. Mafouz did win a Nobel for literature a few years back (I read his novels - they're really wonderful), and, naturally, some fundamentalist ignoramus who thinks that no one should read anything besides the Koran and "I hate Jews and America" propaganda tried to kill him.

And, BTW, the Arabs didn't invent algebra - the Indians did, although the Arabs are only too glad to take credit for something they didn't do. Sort of a pattern with them.

Proof of a troll: From 11:00 to 2:00, when Amin showed up, 37 posts. In a mere 3 hours after his appearance, 132 posts, all directed to him or pointedly going off-topic (hilariously) to avoid him. Just like the patient admitted with a borderline personality disorder, who starts "splitting" the staff, until everyone notices how much emotional work they are doing because of (usually) her, the troll disrupts everybody while not remotely interested in the points of view others have.

Great thread, though, guys. Donna V, this is priceless:

If Israel magically disappeared tomorrow, "Palestine" would be just one more primitive Middle Eastern shithole that nobody (not the EU, not the Left, not the Saudis, not anybody) would care about.

Israel is actually the greatest gift the Arab rulers have been given over the past 50 years. They can be complete and utter failures as rulers, can refuse to democratize their countries at all (clearly you don't care about democracy), but because Israel exists all they have to do is scream "Zionists! Zionists!" and their ignorant, moronic, hate-filled subjects jump up and down like a pack of frenzied lunatics and froth at the mouth like rabid dogs. That's exactly what they want you to do - keeps the spotlight off the fact that they're miserable excuses for rulers and human beings.

BTW, speaking of Richard Dreyfuss, the chairman in my first residency program (also Jewish) was a dead-ringer for him. Any wonder I quit that one?

Hey, I really like Richard Dreyfuss! (Does that qualify me for trollhood?) :-P

Amy - If you confess that you like Richard Dreyfuss, then I can confess I like Barbra Streisand's singing. But the rest of her shtick? - Feh! And her hilarious faxing to the Democratic congressional leadership? Well, it was certainly entertaining.

Uh-oh. This is clearly off-topic.

I like Barbra Streisand's singing, too - I only wish she'd stick to it and leave politics for the grownups.

I will not feed the trolls . . .
I will not feed the trolls . . .
"scuse me while I fetch the trollbat"

#169

Donna the women in your society are mostly a bunch of whores and sluts. Do not blame us for protecting our women from corruption. Sure some muslim men take it too far but there are bad apples in every society. Unfortunately, there was no man in your life that guided you away from forming your unsensible opinions.

===

And how come noone has condemned roach for using the term "[bigoted word]s"??? If all of you seriously condone such terms than how can you claim to not be racist?

Yeah go ahead call me a racist in retaliation, it doesn't bother me, I do condone the killing of people who have stolen our lands. If you want to believe I condone the killing because the dead are jews, then thats your choice to believe whatever you want. But, the reason I condone the suicide bombings is because it is thieves that are being killed.

GAZE

Steve's hot

GAZE

Steve Miller, I think Amin just gave you a compliment. But we?ll probably need Throbert to get an unbiased second opinion.

#176 - Dennisw

#133 Ranbutan
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Malicious bastard twit that you are, you should be the first barred from LGF. Go sprinkle your fairy dust elsewhere.

Excellent! I see the various arguments and links I made are getting to Dennis the Menschenist. Reality has that effect on some extremists.

If the truth hurts, the arguments are reflective of global and emergent US opinion, Dennis...scroll past if they offend you. Extremists are always more comfortable reaffirming one another in their narrow circle that "We are Correct" than engaging in public discourse and debate.

I worked with a muslim woman from Lebanon. She once told me that some of the worst sluts she ever knew covered themselves(muslim women fyi). She also said that there were quite a few young muslim men in the Chicago mosques who want to travel to the middle east so they can be in the fight against Israel. She was disgusted by this. Her father had been shot by Arafat back in the early 60's. Seems Arafat took the goods and didn't pay her father. Rather than paying the man Arafat shot him. He recovered and moved to Germany to get his family out of the middle east.

Steve Miller (#174) Not a downer at all, but a beautiful, clearly heartfelt admission. I, as a Jew, felt much the same way---tried to remain open-minded and even-handed and concentrated on the existence of the "good" Palestinians rqther than dwell on the reality of the all-too-numerous ones intent on eradicating Israel.

9/11 was my turning point, too, I am ashamed to say. Ashamed, in my case, because as a Jew with family in Israel, I was purposely trying to remain an idiotarian when confronted with thte facts, and it was not until the battle was taken to my home turf that I shed my idiotarianism. Not because of, mind you, but until.

Amy--thank you. From you it means a lot.

Boy, all my favorite girls on one thread today.

Is Amin a troll?

Dang, where?s this thread going? fairy dust, muslim sluts, Amin testifying his love for Steve, pictures of naked men...

Thank you, mommydoc (It's good to see your posts again - I hope you enjoyed yourself in Florida:-)

I'm reading the Mr. Holland's Opus comments with as much amusement as I'm reading Amin's lame posts. One bind moviemaker's get themselves into: presenting a fictional character who is supposed to be a brilliant composer (or painter or poet), building him or her up to the point where you're supposed to believe they're up there with Mozart or Degas or Yeats, and then presenting their work, which is clearly crapola. I recently saw the old film of the Picture of Dorian Gray, and the original portrait, which everyone swoons over, is no great shakes. I'm trying to remember the name of some 60's movie I saw where the main character was a famous "poet" who spouted stuff that was almost as bad as "Who blow up da owl?" You can fake someone playing a brillant mathematician or chess player ("Searching for Bobby Fischer"), but portraying fictional artists is much tougher.

Arrrghhh!!! So much for my good mood... my husband started watching the History Channel and they're showing a British documentary, In the Name of Liberation," all about how those nasty J-E-W-S "ushered in the Age of Terrorism" (as near a direct quote as I can remember) by bombing the King David Hotel. It could have been made by our buddy Fisk.

Gaze

#197 -- What a load of crap. The "age of terrorism" began back in 1800s -- they called them "anarchists" then.

Donna the women in your society are mostly a bunch of whores and sluts. Do not blame us for protecting our women from corruption.

Uh, by beating them to death to save your oh-so-precious male "honor"? I'd rather live in a cardboard box in Central Park than opt for such "protection."

What complete and utter cowards the Islamonazis are. It's not dishonorable to coldbloodedly murder women, children, the elderly, or anyone else who presents an easy target. I hold Arab "honor" and your so-called "manhood" in complete and utter contempt.

Finally, you call us "whores and sluts" and then ask us to be indignant because someone used the term "[bigoted word]." That's rich.

"You whores, somebody called me a [bigoted word]! Why do you Western sluts not defend for me and denounce the racist!"

I am sorry, Charles. Hard to resist fish-in-a-barrell shooting.)

#151 - H-man

Evidently the link is only referencing a "hit zone" - #3 to be accurate - on the current WorldTribune web page. The link I had was from Sunday.

Here is the full article:

U.S. reject Israeli objection to 'roadmap'

Special to World Tribune.com
MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE
Friday, January 3, 2003
JERUSALEM ? The United States has rejected virtually all of Israel's reservations regarding an international plan for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Israeli diplomatic sources said the latest draft of the so-called roadmap for a Palestinian state does not include any of Israel's proposed revisions. The sources said the United States and its partners rejected Israeli objections concerning the extent of an Israeli withdrawal, immediate negotiations on the future of Jerusalem and the evacuation of Jewish settlements.

"This document has turned into a major concern for us," a senior Israeli official said.

The United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia appear to have accepted only one objection by the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. The Quartet agreed to delay release of the roadmap until after the Israeli elections on Jan. 28.

The sources said the second draft of the roadmap appears to be the final one. The draft overrides Israeli objections on three major points. The roadmap contains a clause that Israel must withdraw to the 1967 borders, a point opposed by Sharon.

The second point is that Israel must discuss the future of Jerusalem at an early stage of the negotiations. Sharon had sought to delay such talks. Sharon, the sources said, also wanted to remove a clause in the roadmap that called for an Israeli evacuation of Jewish settlements before the conflict is resolved. The United States rejected the request.

Israel was also rebuffed in efforts to base the roadmap on the principles espoused by President George Bush in June and ensure that the United States alone is deemed as the arbiter of Palestinian reforms and ceasefire. Bush had linked a Palestinian state with an end to the war against Israel as well as the removal of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat.

The latest draft of the roadmap does not contain such a link. Instead, the roadmap said an Israeli-Palestinian peace would be based on principles espoused by Saudi Arabia more than a year ago.

AS for trolling, I do occasionally interject some comment like the guy who sacrificed his life to save Hebron Settlers, was squandered...because the Hebron Settlements are untenable, he never should have been there in the first place, and the Hebron Settlers will be gone soon. That provoked good, perhaps voiciferous debate...over my "bait" - that Sgt Apted's actions will impact the future as much as the old bones of Queen Victorias soldiers on a dusty Afghan plain had an impact.

Charles--isn't there some kind of rule about copying articles in their entirety? Copyright infringement, I think?

#201

like i said there are some men who are bad apples, of course you convienently forgot about that

and since ure too dumb witted to realize this yourself: saying that many of the women in ure society are whores and sluts is not a racist comment. (and who disagrees anyway with my comment regarding ure women? not many) Identifying someone in a derogatory way by what they wear (when dictated by their religion or culture) is a racist comment.

and donna lets not be tit for tat, grow up. just because I correctly characterized women in your society doesnt mean you should tolerate racist comments such as [bigoted word]

Charles--he's getting boring. Can you pull the plug? Soon?

No, no, please don't pull the plug! He's disintegrating into "Net-spell"--soon he'll blow a gasket. Love to see it happen...

Charles - I second mommydoc's call - it was funny at first, stupidity always is - but now he's just wearing out my scrollwheel.

Donna V.

Finally, you call us "whores and sluts" and then ask us to be indignant because someone used the term "[bigoted word]." That's rich.

"You whores, somebody called me a [bigoted word]! Why do you Western sluts not defend for me and denounce the racist!"

He better hope you defend him, since he obviously doesn?t have the balls to do it himself.

Third.

For crying out loud, the poor little troll is so tired can't even capitalize sentences correctly, or spell "your" correctly.

He's obviously up way past his bedtime. Poor little guy needs his sleep.

J.

#148 - followed your link. Not bad at all.

I think the problem with Eretz Israel is that it is a vague term that has been given various meanings over the years regarding territorial limits by early Zionists, the present pro-Israeli people that are all over the place, and present day Arabs.

An illustration of what some Jews think Eretz Israel is "code" for:

Eretz Israel

This of course is laid to the 1st Zionists, that dreamed of Eretz Israel covering all of David's peak expansion, or at least the height of the Maccabees. Some even dreamed of Jews ruling "Eretz Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates...and unfortunately, the Arabs took them literally...so Eretz Israel means to an Arab...all the Middle East as per the early Zionist day dreams.

Daniel Pipes has his own definition in the midst of an excellent piece, on "The Greater Israel Calumny" where he debunks the Arab "Nile to the Euphrates" conception that some Jews, also believe in as in the past link. Pipes believes it means 1967 Israel, plus the Golan, plus West Bank, plus Sinai...though he says Israel may not elect to be sovereign over all of His Definition of Eretz Israel.

Eretz Israel

In Europe and USA political circles, Eretz Israel has come to be "code" - based on the Settler's constant reference to the term - for Israel plus all of the West Bank.

That is why I prefer accurate descriptors over things like "Serbia's Land", "The Homeland of the German Volk", "True China"...and "Eretz Israel".

Because the favorite vague nationalistic "pet phrase" of irredentionist nations invites the question..."And the exact borders are where, Cochise??" Wherein one not of "The People" gets very worried when they hear "To be Determined Later".

In the case of Arabs, full paranoia..

So, my hope is that the politically loaded "Eretz Israel" goes away...and people speak of Israel in precise terms...pre-1967 War Israel, present day Israel plus the disputed territories.

Amin,

Israel could clear the West Bank and Gaza without breaking a sweat if it wasn't for American pressure not to do so. You hapless, immasculated, blowhard Arabs wouldn't even slow them down.

Now suppose America decides not to lean on Israel anymore. What happens then? You guys are toast.

Face it Amin, Allah doesn't protect you, America does. We are your god. We are your life.

You don't want to piss us off. If you push us too far, your false god - that hallucinatory figment of some desert savage's imagination - won't help you. We can wipe your entire civilization along with that stupid black cube off the face of the earth.

You'd be wise not to mistake our tolerance for weakness because our tolerance is running out.

You don't want to play Cowboys and Arabs do you?

[bigoted word]s? Diaper domes? Disgustingly racist talk!!!

I'll disagree with you.. concerning the treatment women... Amin.
Allowing little high school girls to burn alive because some pig would not allow them to leave a burning dorm without their damn sacks on...FGM 1oo million women and girls mutilated for F***ing what...I need a soft padded mat to sit on and to gaze into the face of evil...BS don't give me that SH** about islam honors and protects women...gaze
Last week I didn't know what a troll was..now I'm feeding one...
GAZE

Iron Fist, Have you noticed how the two ?other? posters who mysteriously show up to support him in first-time LGF posts are named ?bratgirl? and ?Juicy Lucy?? What?s that tell you about his frustrated sexuality?

Amin - I don't find the use of the term '[bigoted word]' racist as one is describing an article of clothing, and not the person 'per se'.

What if roach referred to a camel jockey or a sand n***** instead?

#158

Roach,

You're disgusting. Revolting. And it's beyond both of those that only two posts out of over 200 question your mentality.

God damned disgusting.

Why not change the name of this board to "Fuck Islam!"?

Just so you know you ignorant fuck, Albanians aren't Arabs and the US didn't intervene in Albania but Kosovo and Bosnia.

Christ.

Right on, Bez.

"What if roach referred to a camel jockey or a sand n***** instead?"

What about Pillar pounding desert drifters?

Iron Fist, If your right about the drag queen thing, that would certainly explain the clamor for attention.

Nicholas, isn?t that supposed to be Nippleboy?

Nicholas - how about 'Scimitar sucking Jihad jerkoffs'?

Why Support Israel?
...

There is also an affinity between the Israeli and Western militaries that transcends mere official exchanges and arms sales. We do not see goose-stepping soldiers in Haifa as we do in Baghdad. Nor are there in Tel-Aviv hooded troops with plastic bombs strapped to their sides on parade. Nor do Israeli presidents wear plastic sunglasses, carry pistols to the U.N., or have chests full of cheap and tawdry metals. Young rank-and-file Israeli men and women enjoy a familiarity among one another, and their officers are more akin to our own army than to the Republican Guard, Hamas, or Islamic Jihad.

The Israelis also far better reflect the abject lethality of the Western way of war. Here perhaps lies the greatest misunderstanding of military history on the part of the Arab world. The so-called Islamic street believes that sheer numbers and territory ? a billion Muslims, a century of oil reserves, and millions of square miles ? should mysteriously result in lethal armies. History teaches us that war is rarely that simple. Instead, the degree militaries are westernized ? technology that is a fruit of secular research, group discipline arising from consensual societies, logistical efficiency that derives from capitalism, and flexibility that is the dividend from constant public audit and private individualism ? determines victory, despite disadvantages in numbers, natural resources, individual genius, or logistics.

Bez and Amy--don't be too hard on Roach. Yes, he's raving in that bigger-is-better traditional Texan (I'm gonna guess East Texan at that, not Austin Texan) but you've got to admit he was provoked by over 100 posts by or in response to the troll. Predictable is all.

Which is why it's really time to pull the plug on it.

C'mon, mommydoc, one more nickname?

Nicholas, isn?t that supposed to be Nippleboy?

He's got it right. He gave his nipples for his country.

This thread is hilarious! You guys rock.

Who came up with GAZE?

What a depressing thread. It starts out with an exhortation to ignore trolls and debate honest opponents, and quickly degenerates into an insane shouting match with a troll, full of ugly ad hominems on both sides. Sigh.

*Please wait to commence beating until after I'm done*

I seriously don't understand some of what goes on here. Half the time there is a lucid discussion and the other half of the time it's damned circle jerk of rage and hatred.

There are people out there, myself included, that share a basic worldview with most here but get incredibly turned off by the drivel spouted here and agreed upon by everyone else. There is an enormous amount of racial and religious hatred clothed behind a thin veneer, if any at all, of civility as evidenced by the charming new racial slurs above.

For those who haven't read my earlier posts, I am Albanian. Draw what conclusions you'd like from that.

*commence slurs in 5...4...3...*

Hey, y'all can keep on with the nicknames. It's even funnier when the troll, now firmly entrenched in the hullabaloo it creates, can't post back when we tear it to shreds.

That's when the real fun begins. Sadistic, aren't I?

New game: where do you think our out-of-context comments will turn up tomorrow? Blog (whose?), article or clueless high school student's term paper ("What I Did On My Christmas Break.")

Resistance is not futile.

Passports! Get your passports here, Jihadis!

He's got it right. He gave his nipples for his country.

Ouch. Talk about making a sacrifice.

That one is pretty offensive. A little more offensive than ayatollah assisting halal hungry fatwa following carpet kneeling brigadiers.

Bez, please calm down. You've become a regular, and you know these guys don't believe half of what they're saying; it's an hysterical round of troll-baiting. Kinda like gallows humor and over tiredness.

That's part of why trolls need to be cut off when they declare themselves.

Don't take any of this personally--I am quite sure it's not meant remotely literally.

/serious conversation

and since ure too dumb witted to realize this yourself: saying that many of the women in ure society are whores and sluts is not a racist comment.

Er, no Amin, it's a sexist comment. And clearly the Muslim world's treatment of women has much to do with why they are, with a few exceptions, the most benighted, poverty-striken, miserable countries on God's green earth. However, you are dumb-witted to realize this yourself.

O.K. really, I will stop feeding the troll. My posts seem to especially piss him off though - he's not used to being challenged by uppity females!

wasn't this thread about Mr Holland's Opus? I think you're making a mistake about Mr Holland's Opus. The movie wasn't a blockbuster about great performances but about being a decent human being in the face of limitations.

Why would anyone expect Mozart material at the end? The end was not about a closet genius composer striking it big in his senior years but about a decent school teacher leaving a legacy of positively influenced human beings who wanted to show their appreciation by airing his hobby horse symphony.

Maybe it wasn't sophisticated enough for some, but it did have some subtlety.

cantrecant--you're pretty much a concrete thinker, aren't you? ;-)

#235

mommydoc,

Don't take any of this personally--I am quite sure it's not meant remotely literally.

See, the problem is that I think quite a few of them do mean it.

There are some threads that I save because I want to go back and reread them because they were so thought provoking and then there are some that I want to blot out of my head permanently.

Centrist Libertarian Republicans like myself read this stuff, shake their heads and seriously rethink their stance on these issues. It sounds trite but it's happened to a bunch of friends that I initially turned on to this board.

Mommydoc;
Thanks for #5 & #180. #5 had me laughing out of control. Hilerious version of the serenity prayer! When telemarketers call they often ask for my wife since I am single I and a friend, have thought of the perfect response and I hope to have the nerve to use it next time they ask for my spouse i.e. telling them I have just buried my wife out back "because she was always buying things from telemarketers"!
#180 was the truth. Israel has been the perfect scapegoat Arab governments have used since 1948 to channel discontent from their own misrule.
PS To all LGFers where you are Happy New Year!

TJefferson:

I've posted this before, but it complements your post so well that I'm reposting it:

Why Arabs Lose Wars.

mommydoc,

Just a lone noble voice of reason in the midst of chaos.

Nicholas - I find that more offensive than 'burkha bombing Kalashnikov kiddies', or even 'Tora Bora butthole 'hora'.

Survivor (#240)

I hope to have the nerve to use it next time they ask for my spouse i.e. telling them I have just buried my wife out back "because she was always buying things from telemarketers"!

I have the most perfect Guns N' Roses song for you ;-)

Happy New Year!

#211

Who built Israel up? the USA. Without American support over the last 50 years there would be no Israel. So, don't tell me the USA is saving us from the monster, the USA created the monster.

Does this mean the discussion of Mr. Holland's Opus is over? Damn.

For those who are interested, here's a shot from the end of the movie that somehow didn't make the final cut.

Hey! Amin could be the perfect shidech for Ranbutan, no?

Zulubaby,

No. Vacuous and long winded you?ve got to be kidding?. OH, you mean the other kind of match.

Re: #249

But he's still a shmegegi.

NC--LOL!

Zulubaby (Hi, sweetie) I think it's beshert. What do you think their troll-children will look like? PDM? Throbert? Any ideas?

Geepers,

Yeah, the made in heaven kinda thang ;-)

Hi mommydoc! :-)

Can't you just see it? It's going to be a beautiful thing.

Q,

More like a shlemiel ;-)

Note to self:

Do not attempt making lead-balloon jokes in a barely familiar language.

zulubaby - a song for Amin?

Re: #254

So I did hit something! ;-)

That was my second choice, BTW.

Mommydoc, It?s a ? Boy?

So there are trolls and there are non-trolls.

Trolls are scum, repugnant, imbeciles, offensive.

Non-trolls are all-knowing, sharp-witted, shrewd, crafty.

So if all the non-trolls were born in Germany and were around in 1939, they would probably refer to Jews as Trolls. Bigotry couched in ideology is not justifiable.

Blog fanaticism has hit a new low.

Us vs. them. Idiotarians. Anti-idiotarians...So we're not them! We're better, smarter.

If you are all so literate, erudite and mindful, why do you resort to childish name calling or labeling? Does it make you feel better to stroke your own egos?

Only the ignorant get a kick out of putting others down, grinding them into the dirt. The Aryian nation did just that to Jews, Gypsies, blacks, etc.

Arrogance is not a sign of true intelligence. Nor does it equal with real power in the end.

Someone once wrote, "We see the world not as it is, but as we are."

Nothing truer has ever been said.

So who are you?

This has been a very entertaining thread. Now my eyes hurt. To paraphrase a post from probably three months ago by whom I have no idea now: A troll is someone who is disagreeable, rather than merely disagreeing. Ranbutan, for example, genuinely disagrees at times (with most of us at LGF) but is not a troll (in my opinion) no matter how wrong we may think he is. Others are simply disagreable, like that incredibly dense certain somebody who has been dropping great big stinky troll turds all over this thread.

And thanks #147 (was it 147?) for that lileks link---great stuff.

And mommydoc you are a gem.

And happy new year to everybody---and go Steelers!

Someone once wrote, "We see the world not as it is, but as we are."

And my library of pick-up lines gets another entry ;-)

"Someone once wrote, 'We see the world not as it is, but as we are.'
So who are you, baby?"

Peace,

Thanks mom!

Get yourself a sense of humor, will ya. If not for yourself, do it for The Children.

People who take themselves too s-e-r-i-o-u-s-l-y annoy me.

Q,

"Someone once wrote, 'We see the world not as it is, but as we are.' So who are you, baby?"

I ask the same of you ;-)

Zulubaby:

Just emphatically NOT an eventempered model of civility ;-)

Q--schmegegie was okay, just a little too much of an endearment.

Raj--I could have done without that, although the repeated use of the word "precious" got me hearing the whole thing in my mind with Gollum's voice, which made it pretty funny...

Geepers--Don't tell Throbert who his adopted child's parents are. He'll be crushed. Although it does explain a lot...

Did somebody just scold LGF posters for name-calling by calling LGF posters "arrogant" and "ignorant" and "bigots" and by mocking LGFers as a bunch of ego-stroking neo-nazis? Well, maybe not quite neo-nazis, but just really, really mean people who are only behaving like nazis? Boy, that's rich. (Name-calling? reallly?) And to base that little observation on this particularly silly thread... now that's some keen sense of perception.

Thanks, centaur, that's such a nice thing to say. How did you know that my Hebrew name translates variously as pearl or carbuncle (apparently the gem meaning, not the dermatologic one, thank God!)

Q--I think it's a great pick up line! Let us know how it works for you...

They're both schmegegis, but what I want to know is, as between amin and ranbutan, which is the schlemiel and which is the schlemazel? Kinda like asking which is the butch and which is the... Oh, never mind. (No offense intended, Throbert darling.)

Peace,

Chill out, man! Trolls deserve whatever they get for being so insufferably obnoxious and thick-skulled. And do a little comparing and contrasting: the trollobyte wants to kill us all, while all we want to do is ridicule it a bit for our own amusement.

Raj #231,

Great article! Thanks! I'm glad to know that there are some Muslims out there who are trying to stem the tide at great personal cost. It's shameful that this man and his family have not been offered asylum in England.

The horrific details the man gives about what the Islamists have done and are doing in Algeria to innocent men, women and children just confirm what I and others here have said numerous times: as long as it's Arabs killing Arabs, the sanctimonious Kofi Annan and the rest of the hypocritical majority known as the U.N. General Assembly just don't care.

What the Algerian civilian population has been put through reveals the Pallies for what they are - lying whiners. They'd submit to much worse from other Arabs and keep their mouths shut for fear of even worse punishment. The Jews are rank amateurs compared to the Arabs when it comes to sheer conscienceless sadism.

What's scary, though, is that if Islamists will commit these kinds of atrocities against fellow Muslims without batting an eye, there is truly no hope of appealing to their "better natures" (assuming any such things even exist) to resolve the conflict with Israel. They will have to be utterly destroyed.

mommydoc---I don't speak a word of Hebrew, so it was just a lucky shot... and I almost had to grab the dictionary for "dermatologic", but after about five grueling seconds of intense mind-stretching thought, I think now that you must have been refering to some sort of a bad skin condition... and now my brain is tired.

#259

Trolls are scum, repugnant, imbeciles, offensive. Non-trolls are all-knowing, sharp-witted, shrewd, crafty

You got a thesaurus stuck up your ass?

Oh yeah, and someone once wrote

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

#237 "Mr. Holland's opus" was the title of the film. The subtlety of the movie was that his opus was supposed to be all the children he helped, blah blah blah not just his composition. I sat through that movie in the theater with a bunch of women who were planning to be teachers. It was an awful experience. I had to keep all of my witty comments to myself or risk being left at the theater.

About once a year hollywood comes out with the "teacher who really cares about his/her students and makes a difference" movie. Most are awful. I knew this one was bad when I realized I was rooting for the heroic teacher to have an affair with the student so that my head would not implode from boredom. This one had the student dying (and in pointless vietnam at that) and the handicapped child thrown in for some extra pathos. Pure slop.

I just wonder why anybody bothers to discuss anything with the above moslem fanatic. He offends us, he should be offended as well. Do you want me to start? I guarantee you my repertoire is quite good.

#252 mommydoc,
Troll kids look just like the adults, just smaller.

Throbert, you clearly need some parenting tips. Trim your kid's nails.

#259 your comments are foolish. Sometimes there are bad guys and good guys. Your own reference to Nazi Germeny proves that in some conflicts there are some sides that are correct and some that are wrong. To use your own example of Nazi Germany, Winston Churchill made fun of hitler all the time. Was Chruchhill not literate, erudite and mindful? Did making fun of Hitler and the Nazis show that Chruchhill was ignorant? Chruchill enjoyed "putting others down, grinding them into the dirt". And he literally ground the nazis into the dirt with the treads of brittish tanks.

I guess by your reasoning that makes Chruchill ignorant, arrogent and wrong for making fun of hitler.

#271 superfly

I'd still give it a couple of stars. As I recall the really incongruous item in Holland's Op. was the black student who couldn't keep a beat, or perhaps it was just smashing racial stereotypes with reckless abandon.

#249...
is shidech anything like felcher?

#244, that is almost as cringe-inducing as

Hebrew hating Ramadan wrangling Quran quoting twelve day war wimps.

#277
Thats disgusting...

Wow. What a HUMUNGOUS thread.

If century old claims are really valid then pretty much all of the USA should be handed back to the native americans

Ah yes- the native americans. Why aren't they blowing themselves up in Burger Kings?

Oh- is it because the US brings them prosperity and grants them all kinds of rights?

But... but... the Israeli Arabs...

Well, of course they're victims of the zionist entity as well. You saw what happened to two of their Kennesset members {cough equal rights caugh}! They were disqualified merely for voicing their valid veiws, which just happened to be that the groups aiming for the destruction of the state which they represent should be successful in their goals. Whatever happened to freedom of treason?---I mean speech. speech. of course.

Idi Amin writes:

#211

Who built Israel up? the USA. Without American support over the last 50 years there would be no Israel. So, don't tell me the USA is saving us from the monster, the USA created the monster.

The U.S. didn't support Israel in any meaningful way until after June 1967 -- when Israel showed America that it is capable of defending itself.

Nicholas Nipplewhatever, Mr. Holland Groped Us: I've got tears rolling down my cheeks and my chest hurts from laughing so hard, you knuckleheads!

Superfly--see, "Peace" doesn't get that yesterday's nazis are today's paleos. Great effort at setting it straight.

Eliyak--good one.

As a Native American, I have to say, that's not why I don't blow up Burger Kings. Blowing up innocent civilians is sick and morally wrong. Only a truly twisted and corrupted culture would think such actions are virtuous.

I can't have much sympathy for a group who kills children and innocents. The truth is that although there were some black spots in the history of Israel, the terror attacks against the British in the 30s or 40s not sure, they are ten times more moral than any Palestinian.

Anyway, that's beside the point. The Israelis bought the land from Arabs and as far as I know actually looked up to Arabs at one point. For their farming way of life. I would say their country could be considered legitimate by a de facto plebiscite. Also, for their respect of the rule of law and citizen rights, of course, certain people won't agree with me on that one.

I only wish Israel would take off the gloves.

mommydoc, me too, especially Mr. Holland Groped Us.

I'm wondering if they're all the same person ;-)

zulubaby--thanks for the link. I'm absolutely giddy now. My roommates think I'm insane. On this thread, they're Raj Against the Machine and Geepers and/or Iron Fist. They're hysterical, aren't they?

Am I the only one who is proud of our Charles for making Best Of The Web today? ;-)

Taranto made an announcement about LGF's First Annual Robert Fisk Award for Idiotarian of the Year, or "Fiskie" for short.

(See: First the Nobel, Now This).