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Gretta Digs the Hole a Bit Deeper

Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 8:15:30 pm PST

Gretta Duisenberg, the horrible Jew-hating shrew who happens to be married to Europe’s top banker, may have finally crossed the line with her latest anti-Semitic spew:

"The Holocaust excepted, the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories is worse than the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands," she was quoted as saying by the Dutch daily Algemeen Dagblad.

"The cruelty of the Israelis knows no bounds. For example, it's not unusual that they blow up Palestinian houses. The Nazis never went so far during the Dutch occupation," she was quoted as saying.

More than 100,000 Jews - about 70 percent of the Dutch Jewish community - were deported to concentration camps and killed during the German occupation of the Netherlands.

In a statement later Friday, Mrs. Duisenberg said she was sorry if people were offended by the remarks, but stopped short of retracting them.
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1 atomic conspiracy  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:18:44pm

"The holocaust excepted"???

"Except for that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

2 Jeff  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:19:40pm

First! Woo Hoo!!!

As for this bitch's comments, why the hell is anyone surprised anymore?

Israel's supposed to have several hundred nuclear weapons...I can think of a few targets north of the Med they shouold consider

3 Jeff  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:21:05pm

Aw, #$%&!

Guess I should have just contented myself with typing "First!"

4 Robert Crawford  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:26:50pm

Someone should make her live in Saudi Arabia for a year. Preferably married to one of their notable citizens.

5 Ronnie  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:26:59pm

Greta = inGrata = persona non grata

Like Jon Huss said... Santa simplicita!

What a piece of work she is - her ignorance is only outdone by her anti-semitism. She and her husband make a pretty good morally bankrupt couple.

6 kathyn  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:34:00pm

Hmm, let's see...the Israelis blow up houses and the Palestinians blow up people. Yep, the Israelis are certainly cruel, all righty.

7 belize042  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:35:13pm

She is, quite simply, a waste of oxygen. The question is why the Western press gives her a forum. Is it because they'll print any wretched bile that will cause controversy and, thus, newspaper sales? Or is it because--deep in their little hearts--the editors and reporters agree with her?

8 Frank IMC  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:43:39pm

#6 - the Israelis blow up houses and the Palestinians blow up people.

9 Donna V.  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:43:42pm
"The cruelty of the Israelis knows no bounds. For example, it's not unusual that they blow up Palestinian houses. The Nazis never went so far during the Dutch occupation," she was quoted as saying.

Yeah, the Nazis didn't blow up Jewish homes - they murdered the owners and took over the property themselves - or sold the houses to Aryans for a song. How many Europeans live in houses that belonged to Jews 60 years ago?

The stupidity of this evil harridan knows no bounds. May she rot in hell.

10 zulubaby  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:45:11pm
Finance Minister Hans Hoogervorst said on Dutch television that Duisenberg "shouldn't allow himself to be swept up in his wife's activities."
But Hoogervorst didn't suggest Duisenberg should repudiate his wife's statements, but said "it would be best if he kept his mouth shut."

What would be best is if his anti-Semitic stupid bitch of a wife kept her ugly mouth shut. That would be a far better idea.

Mrs. Duisenberg has said she's not anti-Semitic and condemns all forms of violence, including suicide attacks, though she told Dutch television earlier this week that she had a "certain understanding" of the motivation behind them.

Not anti-Semitic!? I have to wonder then who, or what, qualifies as anti-Semitic in her world! And I'm sure she had a "certain understanding" of what the Nazis did too. Fuck her.

11 piglet  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:48:06pm

I am very pissed. Amsterdam is a wonderful city.

I have a dutch friend who is Amazing. She has a jewish boyfriend. I'm a Jew.

But the netherlands has a history of anti-semitism.

I once listened to a dutch jew tell of surviving
the camps to find his neighbors had taken over his family business. He took them to court, but lost because
"he had no paperwork." As if they didn't know in such a small place who had owned the business.


Also at the risk of sounding racist to liberals who have
grown up reading "to kill a mockingbird."
there is a real problem with muslim immigrants
in Holland committing rapes. Wanta be on when
that gets exposed on CNN.


Of course as LGF readers know this is a problem
in many places such as Dubai, etc.

12 adam  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:49:14pm

BITCH!

13 Joe Maller  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:51:06pm

The Dutch Jewish population suffered more than in any other Western European country defeated by the Nazis.* The long an vibrant history of Jews in the Netherlands will be forever marked with the disgrace of their neighbors gleefully handing them over for slaughter. That shame continues.

Estimated Jewish Deaths in the Holocaust, by country.

*Russia, Poland and the Slavic countries were killing their Jews long before the Nazis arrived.

14 William  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:52:53pm

Where's Q when you need him to aptly describe
this morally bankrupt witch.
 

15 zulubaby  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:54:26pm

I bet the trolls will find this thread.

16 nelson  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:55:57pm

I've once spent a week in Rotterdam. The town's historic center looks like a newly built shopping mall. No old buildings there. Does Mrs. Duisenberg remember who exactly helped with this kind of modernization by previously rasing them all to ground? Oh yes: when bombed, unlike what happens when the Israelis demolish murderer-owned houses in the contested territories, those buildings didn't happen to be empty of people.
Anyway, by now, I think every Dutch, not only the Jews, should take offense at what she said.

17 zulubaby  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 6:56:16pm

William,

I'm sure he'll be here any minute now ;-)

18 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:03:47pm
19 zulubaby  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:11:29pm

I wonder if she's shtupping Jaggi.

20 JH  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:15:30pm

There are no racists in this world, there are just people who say:"I'm not a racist,but..."

There are no anti-semites in this world,there are just people who say:"I'm not an anti-semite,but..."

There are no America-haters in this world,there are just people who say:"Of course what happened on 9/11 was wrong,but..."

There are no anti-Israelis in this world,there are just people who say:"Of course I condemn suicide bombings,but..."

21 JH  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:15:32pm

There are no racists in this world, there are just people who say:"I'm not a racist,but..."

There are no anti-semites in this world,there are just people who say:"I'm not an anti-semite,but..."

There are no America-haters in this world,there are just people who say:"Of course what happened on 9/11 was wrong,but..."

There are no anti-Israelis in this world,there are just people who say:"Of course I condemn suicide bombings,but..."

22 kanji  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:16:21pm

how did a European Central Banker marry such a stupid woman?

23 Paul  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:17:07pm

The Germans didn't blow up Dutch houses!! The bombing of Rotterdam by the GERMANS in 1940 was an event thant shocked the world. The Nazis (aided and abetted by collaborators) then systematically murdered the Dutch Jews during the occupation.

The Dutch have a lot to answer for. During the war it produced more collaborationists proportionally than any other northwestern European country; 120,000 of them were arrested after the war. Also 17,000 Dutchmen volunteered for the Waffen-SS. It looks as if Gretta is carrying on their fine tradition.

24 JH  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:18:52pm

Sorry,my bad!May have pressed the post-button too hard.

25 Geepers  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:25:51pm

Gretta “Goosey” Duisenburg, ex lead singer for the band Detox Darlings admitted that her years spent as an alcohol soaked chipy, had left her critical thinking abilities impaired, but insisted that her meetings with “Father Christmas”, the “Easter Bunny” and “Tinkerbell” are legitimate due to her diplomatic passport.

While being escorted from the news conference, an obviously off-the-wagon “Goosey” was heard to say: “Ever wonder why Jews don’t get Christmas presents? Huh? Well it ain’t ‘cause Santa is anti-Semitic, I can tell you that.”

26 addison  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:30:37pm
"The cruelty of the Israelis knows no bounds. For example, it's not unusual that they blow up Palestinian houses..."


Well, it's quite clear that she values Palestinian homes more than she values Israeli lives. None of this: "The cruelty of the Palestinians knows no bounds. For example, it's not unusual they they blow up kids at bat mitzvahs..." Then again, you guys knew that.

27 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:32:52pm

We all know what this slut needs.

She needs to be whipped by a fat jewish schlong till her nose bleeds. Any volunteers?

No, wait. I meant someone should calmly tell her how wrong she is.

28 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:35:54pm
29 zulubaby  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:37:30pm

Nazis in Ireland?

One of the comments:

The Eternal Whiners
by Bruce McKellar - Aryan Wed, Dec 25 2002, 2:46pm
address: Vancouver BC Canada caucman@yahoo.com

I wish it had been 15 million, that would have taken care of the whole problem.

Merry CHRISTmas "Hymie".

I'm going out. I'm disgusted. I hate Nazis, I hate this evil slut. I love all of you though.

30 Erik  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:38:44pm

#13 Slavic countries were killing their Jews long before the Nazis arrived.

The USSR made a huge effort to evacuate Jews in the path of the blitzkrieg. That's the reason me and my family are alive. Thanks to Stalin. :)

Your link is very interesting. Indeed the percentage of Jews exterminated in the Netherlands is abnormally high for Western Europe. Compare to neighboring Belgium.

This hag has definitely "crossed the line." I don't understand how a sane person over the age of 16 can make that comparison. I pity the man who has this witch for a wife.

31 Susan  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:47:37pm

This woman is a ****. I am sorry, I know it is a horrendously anti-female, sexist word to use. However, that is what she is, plain and simple. A skank and a ****.

I wish we could vote to bar her ugly, skanky, nasty, stupid Eurotrash butt from ever entering the US.

32 Susan  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:53:49pm

PS -- Perhaps it's time to seriously start boycotting the EU nations and their products. Europe has just gone plumb crazy. This Duisenberg skank is hardly alone in her psychosis.

I've decided I'm not spending a dime traveling there, although we had plans to visit Europe for our vacation this year. I am thinking of spending it instead in Australia or Japan -- two of our REAL allies.

33 Susan  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 7:55:46pm

"Except for slavery, black people had it pretty good in the South in 1838."

****.

34 Minstrel  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:03:31pm

There is only one word to describe this woman and her ilk, only one word to describe what they're doing:

nur.

35 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:05:03pm
36 SecHumanist  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:05:30pm
Perhaps it's time to seriously start boycotting the EU nations and their products.

I'm with you on that Susan. Except for Italy. I can't boycott Italy, the food's too good, the people too nice, the designer clothes too cheap :). Plus.. they did produce Oriana Fallaci so they can't be all bad.

37 SecHumanist  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:06:29pm

Minstrel, I disagree.. there's also GAZE and the original:

WTF?

38 Q  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:29:31pm

Zulubaby (#17)

I'm sure he'll be here any minute now ;-)

I'm here, baby (and you're out - just my luck ;-)

39 Q  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:30:36pm

William (#14):

Others - and especially Susan - have done an impressive job on the evil twat. As did I, here and here.

But still: what a malignant, deranged, putrid, shit-filled motherfucking nazi ****.

40 foobar  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:32:14pm

You know, she would never have gotten away with these remarks if Audrey Hepburn were still alive.

41 A. van Hilten  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:39:47pm

Zulubaby,

Since I gather Afrikaans and Dutch are very much alike, maybe you'll be interested on this site: Joods.nl. There's a page devoted to WWII, including information on Westerbork & Vught—the main concentration camps in the Netherlands.

42 Q  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:41:14pm

Zulubaby (#29):

I love all of you though.

Oh, we have no doubt about it ;-)

43 Iraqi-Arabic word of the day!  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:45:00pm

Gahba

[Prostitute]

44 piglet  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 8:52:41pm

Interesting reading is

Edwin Black's/
IBM and the Holocaust

It seems that a dutch man used census records
on IBM punch cards to help the Nazis. He
was a real eager beaver. very creattive in helping find
new ways to mine the data for jews. He seems to
have been fascinated by the technology.

45 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 9:26:53pm

[Link: electronicintifada.net...]

The above link is for anyone who wants to hear, in Jaggi Singh's own words, the stroy of his arrest and deportation from Israel.

Too bad he wasn't made to share a cell with Ahmed the Anal Ripper, but it makes for entertaining reading nonetheless. It looks like they didn't take him seriously at all, and he was processed quite affably as jsut another illegal, except for the 'beating', which, he claims, left no marks, naturally.

46 Damian P.  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 9:27:41pm

#11: I once listened to a dutch jew tell of surviving
the camps to find his neighbors had taken over his family business. He took them to court, but lost because
"he had no paperwork." As if they didn't know in such a small place who had owned the business.

Interesting, considering that so many Europeans support the Palestinians' "right of return".

47 Wim  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 9:33:54pm

She's not only stupid and full of herself, she's ignorant of her own country's history. German reprisals against "illegal" activities got far worse than anything the Israelis might think of today. Hiding Jews or allied pilots could land you in a concentration camp. So could listening to London on your radio - you weren't allowed to have one in the first place. Acts of sabotage were punished by executions of prominent Dutchmen who were guilty of nothing but were being held as blackmail "hostages". For one English-language source, see Cornelius Ryan's "A Bridge Too Far", p. 153: "Rauter, chief architect of Nazi Terror in the Netherlands was determined to stamp out any kind of insurrection by the simple expedient of executing three Dutch nationals for each Nazi killed..." Harry Mulisch's "The Assault", a translated, gripping novel based on reality describes how if an act of sabotage or an attack on a German happened to take place in front of your house, you'd be hauled out of your home and shot on the spot, your house blown up - there are plenty of sources to document these things, and it amazes me that this TRUT (never mind what this translates into) is so clueless.

48 Dutch boy  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 9:36:46pm

Sure she'd love to shtup Yasser. Unfortunately he'll take women only if neither boys nor goats are available.

Filthy sow.

49 nelson  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 10:02:56pm

#48

Hey, don't forget the camels, would you?

50 jenbr  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 10:50:54pm

eurotrash

51 Michael J. Totten  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 11:16:45pm

Terrorism excepted, Palestinian suicide bombings are worse than, worse than, gee I don't know...

52 SecHumanist  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 11:26:23pm

OT: This is off topic, but what the hell does a Palestinian passport look like? How can a non-entity have passports, and why does the US State Department allow dual citizenship to this fictitional state?

Can I use my passport from Narnia?

State Department Yammers Away

53 Goat Boy  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 11:34:42pm

#29

There were plenty of Irish who sympathised with the Nazis during WW2 because they happened to be attacking the hated English. You know, the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" attitude. Fair enough too I guess, after 800 years of putting up with their shit.

54 Aaron  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 11:35:24pm

#36: See #13's link. It's one reason I can justify making an exception for Italy. Not that the Danes aren't mellow, but it's not really a tourist destination. Plus, the Italians elected Silvio, and as far as I know, he's not yet an Idiot and supports us against Iraq. So now France, Germany, and the Netherlands are on the blacklist? Oh, and Belgium has the EU, so you can't go there either.

55 Goat Boy  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 11:38:06pm

P.S. I'm not trying to defend the anti-semitism of that guy on the Indymedia board BTW, just having a guess at where it comes from.

56 zulubaby  Fri, Jan 10, 2003 11:44:46pm

Goat Boy,

I could care less where it "comes from". It's repulsive. Period. But I know what you're saying.

57 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:03:27am

A. van Hilten (#41)

Thanks for the link. I understand some of it, not all, but I've saved it so I can go back to it :-)

I saw your post about this on the other thread. I was hoping you'd find your way over here.

58 Piglet  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:07:43am

This woman has left a bad taste in my mouth. Just as a mental sorbet, a few nice things about Amsterdam.

1) All the women look like Hedi Klum or
Claudia Shiffer ( Yeah I know she's german, but that
is one of the looks.) And if they like you they are very nice.

2) Coed naked showers and sauna. ( Really.)

3) The van gogh museum. The sex museum.

4) not that i would ever but...the worlds best
pot sold openly over the counter at "koffee shops.)

5) Its the home of heiniken and Grelsh.


Just thinking out loud, there are a few million jews in
america, what if a million of us all went on a peaceful vacation to the same eu country at the same time.

Would they have the balls to put a ban or quota on jewish tourist travel?

Imagine one million jews lining up at the same time
to visit anne frank's house
I wonder if the line would run the full circle
of prinsengragracht and meet up with itself.

What if we all wore the same t-shirt with the same message.

What if we all gently mentioned as we spent our money in
their shops a little about how we feel.

Just thinking out loud. Been doing a lot of that since
my trip to terezen concentration camp in 1999.

59 Glen Wishard  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:17:29am

Here is Gretta Duisenberg's website thanks to blogger Michiel Visser.

She has her own little petition drive against the "jews" (apparently they only rate a lower-case letter in the Netherlands). If you don't look out you might get signed up --- a number of prominent Dutch found that their names had been put on the petition without their consent.

The names on the petition can be viewed by clicking on "adhesiebetuigingen" which is Dutch for "Miscellaneous Assholes".

60 SecHumanist  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:21:31am
2) Coed naked showers and sauna. ( Really.)

I'm so there! ... wait. must. not. support. europe. ... nude heidi klums. no! must. not. support. europe.

61 SecHumanist  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:23:35am

Thanks Glen! I'm off to have some fun, evil grin :)

62 Glen Wishard  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:27:27am

BTW - Don't overlook these handy e-mail links where you can contact "Voorzitter" Gretta Duisenberg.

63 SecHumanist  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:36:09am

Of course not! That's the fun part (well.. actually signing them up for a bunch of porn is the real fun part - it'll be really funny when one of her old-school crack whore porn pics from her past gets sent to her)

64 Glen Wishard  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:44:39am

Sad to say:

Anti-idiotarian Michiel Visser, Our Man in Amsterdam (or thereabouts), is giving up blogging due to other pressing business.

Charles --- he thanks LGF, among others, for the traffic he enjoyed. Hopefully he'll be back.

65 T. Jefferson  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:59:35am

Doc Jazz was so inspired that he wrote a song: De Vlag
Note picture of Palestinian flag hanging off the balcony.


"The Flag" is a hommage to Gretta Duisenberg, who is displaying her impressive courage by her dedication to truth and justice, and by speaking out against the illegal occupation of Palestine by Irsael. She initiated her activities by hanging a Palestinian flag from the balcony of her Amsterdam residence, to the dismay and disapproval of pro-Zionist groups and people.
...
66 blogaddict  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 1:09:52am

She seems to have learned absolutely nothing about the history of her own country, and to have a very strange notion of what the phrase "no bounds" means. Is there anyone on earth who actually listens to the worse-than-idiotarian views of this woman??

Speaking of Italy, however, there are more reasons to be pro-Italian than Oriana (although she is an excellent one). Please read the following: [Link: www.jewishsf.com...]

67 blogaddict  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 1:13:38am

Well, then, I guess Doc Jazz is listening--but, is anyone listening to Doc Jazz??? Sure hope not--

68 T. Jefferson  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 1:22:14am

blogaddict (67)
The site that Glen Wishard linked to has over 24k names on it. Looks like somebody over there is listening.

69 Steve H.  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 1:23:21am

It's wonderful that she said this, because it provides something to bayonet her in the belly with every time she pipes up in the future.

70 Colt  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 2:25:28am

Yes, free speech is a right and yes, everyone should have it. It is one of the West's great institutions, along with free trade and freedom of thought. Democracy, our most sacred political tradition, cannot function without freedom of speech. It promotes debate and discussion, and creates an air of intellect.

This woman needs her mouth sown shut.

I've been to Amsterdam, and it is amazing! Sadly, I was with family rather than my friends, so I couldn't enjoy all the pleasures the city has to offer. Selling weed in cafes, selling beer to 14 year olds (maybe not legally, but who cares?) and the women... Wow, what a country. Our car was broken in to, and someone tried to mug me (he left empty handed, holding his face; man, I kick ass!), but aside from all that, it is a wonderful place and a wonderful country. The nightlife, the social people and the beer. And the women.

If it seems like I'm ranting, well, I miss the Netherlands.

I'd take part in an EU ban, only I live in the EU and I cannot resist skiing.

71 Abu Baboon  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 2:55:39am

Israel=Nazi Germany?
This is laughable, if not tragic. The differences are far too great for Mrs. Duisenberg to notice. Can't find any similarity either. What an idiot. Actually, not an idiot, but rather calculated action by an anti-zionist bitch. "But we have to look at the root causes". Why would Gretta say such a thing? Poor Gretta is still haunted by her bed time stories about the blood thirsty jews who kidnap children and use them to make pastries, steal money from other people, killed Jesus, etc, etc, etc... Mmmm, those pastries are yummy.

#6 Excellent!

72 Millie Woods  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:06:25am

#59 - thanks for the link to the website. The English is atrocious. In my capacity as a recovering academic I sent a hoity-toity e-mail to that effect and they will be very very upset. My experience of haters in Montreal - Franco's who hate Anglo's and vice versa was to take the mick out of them by telling Franco's who made insulting comments to me when they heard me speaking English - je n'ai rien compris,(I didn't understand a thing) je ne parle pas anglais (I don't speak English) - which was so stupidly mind-boggling, they'd look poleaxed. I'd do the same thing to the English speakers with - an excuse me, I don't understand what you're saying, I don't speak French. The point being treat these miscreants like the mad fools they are. It's a sort of Monty Python version of the don't feed the trolls philosophy.

73 centaur  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:07:38am

#53 & #55 Goat Boy,

You are very right in describing/explaining the Irish mindset in 1939, but I think that now, sixty-odd years later, the type of absolute rot referred to by #29 (zulubaby) has very little-to-nothing to do with that, and everything to do with the vile comments of people like this Gretta **** and all the dis-information spread about the world of indymedia which lends (perceived) credibility to such incredible comments.

To compare the Israeli occupation, even if without conteneding with the term "occupation" and for the sake of argument conceding that point, with the Nazis in the Netherlands or elsewhere simply defies any sense of intellectual honesty and is a comparison that will not hold, qualitatively or quantitatively, under any serious degree of scrutiny. But it seems that making this sort of comparison has become endemic among certain folks.

74 Red Herring  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:27:22am

#30

The USSR made a huge effort to evacuate Jews in the path of the blitzkrieg.

This is not true. The purpose of evacuation was to prevent industrial machinery and labor from falling into Hitler's hands. In the process, no distinction were made between Jews and non-Jews.

75 israeliguy17  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:47:09am

A small correction.
Over 98% of netherlands jews were murdered (not the 70% described in the article), and netherlands holds hte record on this.
Netherlands is the european country where the largest percentage of jews were destroyed. And now, we know why.

76 piglet  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:53:29am

One more comment about this awful creature.

Houses in Amsterdam are side by side brick
buildings. Using the technology of the 1940s
it would be almost impossible to blow up a
single house without damaging the others next to it.

Arabs on the west bank build a curious type
of house, many ferro cement if I remember correctly.
It looks like a square one, or two story house on stilts,
with a car port underneath. When one of their
kids gets married, they build walls around the stilts
and the new couple moves in below. Not sure what the
next 8 kids are to do. May explain many aspects of
their actions. Thus if one of the kids blows themselves
up, the Israeli's blow up the empty house, the idea
being the next family may stop their kid from costing
them a whole house. When Saudi arabia or Iraq
give them money for a new house they are actively
supporting and enabling the killing of jews.

77 Confuzed  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 4:10:28am

Apparently, Susan #31 is correct. Corroboration generously provided by the link from Glen #59

"Financieel kunt u bijdragen..."

78 M.Simon  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 4:20:13am

For the trolls:

[Link: www.acsu.buffalo.edu...]

For the rest: made ja look, na, na, na ,na ,na.

79 E. Brown  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 4:28:11am

Foobar, re #40

You beat me to it. Hepburn would have wanted to tear the face (thanks, Iron Fist) of this slimeball (I can't bear to insult her moral and intellectual betters by blanket invidious comparisons to sows, pigs and female dogs) and rub the exposed muscles in rock salt. Audrey didn't get that waif look due to anorexia, but because the Nazis deliberately starved the Netherlanders and their children in favor of sending food to Germany, leaving Dutch children to eat things like ground tulip bulbs.


There is no limit to the stupidity and evil of anti-Semites.


E. Brown

80 Barbara Skolaut  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 4:58:23am

My entry:

Saddam Insane assumes desert temperature: Groundhog Day! (2/2/03)

81 Keelie  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:14:02am

SecHumanist - #36 - I'm with you on that one. I won't buy any Euro products, except (occasionally) from Italy, for essentially the same reasons as you.

We're setting up a "buy Israel" group just to make the point and to fight against the Euro-boycotts. Anything we can do to get up their noses is ok with me.

82 Cowardly Pundit  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:14:38am

Europe's answer to Trent Lott.

83 Kylaer  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:34:13am

#82:

Except (so far) without the massive backlash against her statements as happened against Trent Lott.

84 blackdog  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:40:18am

OR...Europe's answer to Calypso Louie Farrakan

85 nelson  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:43:15am

#53 & #55 Goat Boy,

#73 Centaur,

The Zionists fought the English in the 40s: and they won. They actually expelled the Brits from their land and vanquished their Arab quislings. The English government was pro-Arab and still is. If the Irish were to be coherent, they should be pro-Israel. They should hate The Independent, The Guardian and the BBC, shouldn't they? It happens "that my enemy's enemy is my friend" works only if the enemy doesn't happen to be Jewish.

86 Former Belgian  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:52:35am

#75:

the percentage of 70% is roughly the percentage of Jews that got deported. Most of them went straight into outright extermination camps like Sobibor (to be gassed there at the first opportunity). Few got sent to Auschwitz (a combo concentration/extermination camp), and only a relative handful survived the war (which is where your 98% may come from).

To give the Dutch their due, it must be pointed out that they had a particularly nasty occupation regime compared to e.g. Belgium and Northern France. The Netherlands were slated for eventual incorporation into the Reich itself (the Dutch were considered pure Aryans) and were placed under civilian Nazi control (led by the former Austrian Nazi leader Seyss-Inquart, later sentenced to death at the main Nuerenberg trial and hanged). Belgium, by comparison, had a military administration run by an old school Wehrmacht general near retirement (a former military advisor to Chang Kai-Shek) who later was involved in a plot against Hitler y"sh. (The main reason for this was that the Nazis had not fully made up their mind what to do with Belgium (and Northern France, which was part of the same occupation zone) --- the Flemish were considered Aryan but the Walloons and French at best as "grade B Aryans".)

In addition, natural features where people could be tucked away are scarce in Holland, which is almost all flat fields and land reclaimed from the sea. (Belgium has fairly dense and hilly forests in the Ardennes, and France has quite a few rugged, low-population areas as well as several mountain ranges.)

Finally, Dutch (including Dutch Jews, and like Germans) are famous/notorious for strictly abiding by regulations --- while disrespect for law and order are rampant in Belgium and France. As a result, when the nazis started registering the Jews, Dutch policemen and Jews complied, while the measure was rather less successful in Belgium and France. (A Jewish unit in the Belgian resistance in addition managed to set fire to part of the registry.)

To the guy who commented on Israeli flags at Dutch soccer games: Ajax Amsterdam used to have quite a few Jewish players before the war. (Most of Holland's Jews were, and are, concentrated in greater Amsterdam, or "Makom Alef" in Yiddish --- Amsterdam slang is literally larded --- no pun intended --- with Yiddishisms, starting with the very nickname for Amsterdam, "Mokum".) Its opponents called it "de Jodenclub" (the Jew team), and over time, Ajax turned the taunt into an image and started flaunting Jewish symbols and adopting slogans like "wij zijn de superjoden" (we are the super Jews).

As for Jews not rating a capital letter on Duisenbitch's website: on this one I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, since the word is not capitalized in her presumably native Dutch. (I agree that her English is atrocious.)

87 Former Belgian  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:56:32am

#85

Don't forget that there were extensive contacts between the IRA and (the older clutch of) extremist Paleostinian terrorist groups. In many cases they were trained at the same camps in Lebanon, Lybia,...

88 Montaigne's Cat  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:57:10am

While searching Google, I came across this article on Gretta. I cannot vouch for the site or the article. Scroll down to the last section, "Controversial Friendships," where it is said that Gretta has ties from before her marriage to Duisenberg to pro-Cuban, pro-Qaddafi, anti-World Monetary Fund circles; that her previous boyfriend was the Dutch defense minister, and there were fears she might pass defense secrets. The article refers to an October 2002 piece about Gretta by Emerson Vermaat in the Wall Street Journal, which I have not seen. Here's the link.

89 Cowardly Pundit  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:02:42am

#83 - if you remember at the start of the Lott thing, the media weren't interested in that, either. It was only once the blogosphere went nuts did they start sniffing around.

Same thing could happen here if there's enough outcry.

90 Erik  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:08:01am

#74 Priority was given to the evacuation of Jews and party members because it was clear that they would become the first victims. Due to the speed of the blitzkrieg a tiny fraction of the Jews were actually saved, but credit must be given to the USSR for understanding Hitler's plans for the Jews and incurring a substantial cost to save many Jews from the holocaust even in the most chaotic and hopeless days of the war.

91 dennisw  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:16:56am

#59 Glen Wishard
___

Here is Gretta Duisenberg's website thanks to blogger Michiel Visser.

This seems to be the witch's blog. Isn't this her posting blog entries for this month with people replying? 63 for one entry?
[Link: www.stopdebezetting.nl...]

I wish I knew Dutch or German.

92 Lawrence Shmerel  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:18:33am

"Yeah, Yeah, I know, the Holocaust was real bad, yadda, yadda, yadda, whatever. But Israelis are worse than Nazis. Israelis blow up Palestinian houses. The Nazis never blew up Palestinian houses." Mrs. Duisenberg was paraphrased as saying.

In a statement later Friday, Mrs. Duisenberg basically said that she was sorry if anyone was offended by the remarks, but if she had offended anyone, it must be because they are a Jewish, so who cares.

93 David Foster  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:30:01am

"The cruelty of the Israelis knows no bounds. For example, it's not unusual that they blow up Palestinian houses. The Nazis never went so far during the Dutch occupation," she was quoted as saying.

In May 1940, the Germans bombed Rotterdam (although armistice negotiations were already in progresss). More than 900 people were killed and 70,000 made homeless.

So, not only did the Nazis blow up Dutch houses, they did so with the occupants inside them.

For more on Duisenberg, the Nazis, and the Dutch:

[Link: photoncourier.blogspot.com...]

94 nelson  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:31:52am

#87 Former Belgian

I've read somewhere that during Israel's war of independence the IRA helped them with some guns or know-how, and that's not entirely impossible, though I've not seen this information corroborated anywhere else. But the consistent radical Irish pattern has almost always been anti-Israel/anti-Jew.
Some of the Irish who write for the UK press are among the most anti-Semitic, and, as we know, that's not quite an easy competition to win among journalists there.

95 BigBad  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:38:30am

#78 M. Simon

LOL!!

That made my day! I think that needs to be the standard link for trolls!

LOL

96 h-man  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:40:49am

to former belgian thank you for the education , very interesting.

re: Ireland, during the war the irish made every effort possible to NOT help fleeing jews. their behavior was simply appalling (shaded of the SS St Louis - which my grandfather was on and ended up in cuba)

97 E. Brown  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:42:50am

Nelson #85

You're not thinking in Irish Catholic "bigot" terms:

Jews are to Palestinians as Orangemen are to Irish Catholics.

98 Glen Wishard  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:46:44am

dennisw -

Yes, Gretta has her own blog-like thing, "Gretta's Reisdagboek". Working comments and all.

Wim Duisenberg's name seems to be all over the Reisdagboek. I thought he stayed out of his wife's pro-Palestinian business.

99 dudu  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:52:37am

Totally repulsive couple!
It's time for European Jews to pack their backs
and immigrate to Israel.
IMHO

100 E. Brown  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:58:11am

#99 Dudu,

Why give the Eurocreeps that satisfaction?

E. Brown

101 A S D  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 7:16:16am

As a Swedish citizen (and with some Dutch Jews in my family tree), I can assure you that Gretta Duisenberg is not alone. And don't confuse the real Holland with some channel-endowed Fairyland. "Jews-as-Nazis" (or the Jews are worse than the Nazis) has been the favorite theme of several European newspapers, TV-shows, popular writers, journalists and film-directors for years now. Actually, this is fully comparably with the anti-Semitic campaigns of Poland during 1968!

Perhaps Mrs. Duisenberg is just a little ambitious imitator, a silly brainless parrot. Perhaps not (perhaps she belong to a family of former nazis or collaborators, this is often the most natural explanation!). But the fact that this sick obsession, this twisted accusation, is considered comme-il-faut among the European elite unmask the true nature of the "modern" European Union.

G-d bless America!

102 Zachary Cohen  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 7:18:55am

I just talked to a friend of mine that lives in Holland:

tommyd2g: lol
tommyd2g: i met her once
tommyd2g: she has a palestina flag at her house
tommyd2g: so a famous media person packed their house in a isreal flag
Kahz Dog: can you kill her?
tommyd2g: yes i can
tommyd2g: as soon as she gets back

:)

103 nelson  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 7:37:16am

#99 Dudu
Wrong!
It's time for the European anti-Semites to pack and move to Saudi Arabia: they all deserve each other.

104 Lea Haringa  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 10:11:24am

You cannot imagine how angry I am to read of this woman and her compatriots with their ugly words on Israel and America. My husband's family are Dutch, they came to the same town in MA. His grandfather had 5 sons and 1 daugher. Four sons served in the war. One son was killed--my husband's father--at the age of 21. He was killed on the Dutch/Germand border in April of 1945. That was one month before the war ended in Europe. When the Army notifiied his family they said "He died in Holland let him be buried in Holland. He is buried in the US Military Cementery in Holland. My husband was 6 months old at the time, his brother was 2 years old. However, to be fair, there were Dutch people who wrote to his wife telling her how grateful they were for the liberation of their country and described how horrible life was under the Nazis. One woman put flowers on Edward's grave for years. In fact, at one time people of the town where the cementery is located (Magratten) put flowers and on the graves of all the servicemen. Or so we were informed.

105 Brian Jacks  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 10:59:55am

I wonder what her father did during the war.

106 Geepers  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 11:23:16am

Lea, These people have no shame, and short memories. I’m truly saddened by your families’ sacrifice, and appalled at the silence from the European “street.” The silence from our oh-so-superior European allies is not only deafening, but also damning. After the atrocities they allowed to be perpetrated on the Jews they should be repentant for five generations.

107 Amanda  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 11:29:20am

Ugh... she is such a douche.

108 EE  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 11:44:19am

#93 David Foster good link

109 Kahz  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 12:09:23pm

Is this person (thing, rather) Jewish.

Duisenberg sounds 'Jewish', as Berg is typically a Jewish last name (Berger, Goldberg, Rosenberg, Berg).

If so, then great, another self-hating Jew. I wouldn't mind throwing her (along with Chomsky, Finkelstein, and the rest of them) into a death camp.

110 EE  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 1:54:09pm

#101 ASD
"Jews-as-Nazis" (or the Jews are worse than the Nazis) has been the favorite theme of several European newspapers, TV-shows, popular writers, journalists and film directors for years now."
I can think of two theories concerning this delusion on the part of the Euroweenies.
Theory #1: This is a continuation of the long line of Euro libels against the Jews: the Jews drink Gentile blood, and all the rest of the Euro libels.
Theory #2: While libeling the Jews, the Euro anti-Semites also get another benefit. By trivializing what the Nazis did, they get a benefit similar to what the Holocaust-deniers get. The Euro anti-Semites score a double-whammy against the Jews. Goebbels would be proud.

111 Frank IMC  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:11:35pm

Just looked up the stats from Martin Gilbert's book on The Holocaust. These are the numbers of Jews murdered, by country, in Western Europe:

Germany: 160,000 (incl. Pomerania, Silesia, E. Prussia)

Holland: 106,000

France: 83,000

Austria: 65,000

Belgium: 24,387

Italy: 8,000

Norway: 728 (out of 1000)

Luxemburg: 700

Denmark: 77

Finland

#110 - Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers for the original populations, so I can't give percentages, except in the case of Norway. But it's appallingly high for a Western country, given its small size.

I read somewhere that the Blood Libel is a projection of the Christian practice of (theoretically) drinking the blood of a Jew every Sunday.

112 Frank IMC  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 3:14:45pm

Yes, Gretta has her own blog-like thing, Gretta's Reisdagboek.

Calling all members of the LGF Civil Troll Brigade who can write in Dutch! Your country needs you!

113 alexpgp  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 4:28:14pm
"The cruelty of the Israelis knows no bounds. For example, it's not unusual that they blow up Palestinian houses. The Nazis never went so far during the Dutch occupation," she was quoted as saying.

How sad it is that the woman both has a limited imagination and is ignorant of history.

According to William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, the shooting of Germans in occupied Europe during WWII most often resulted in the shooting of 50 hostages immediately, and 50 more within 24 hours. This proportion - 100:1 - was publicly proclaimed as the price for killing Germans.

If we are to understand this shrew's value system correctly, blowing up an unoccupied house belonging to a suicide bomber's family is cruelty without bound, much worse than rounding up five score bystanders and executing them.

Ye gods.

Cheers...

P.S. Compared with some other countries, Holland got off lightly: only 2,000 or so hostage executions.

114 Johan Wehtje  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:32:50pm

Picking Up on Goatboy and Nelson's sub thread on the Irish Nazi sympathies:

The Finnian Fail regime under De Valera was a pretty close ideological cousin of Franco's facism in Spain - the only element missing was the militarism of Francoism. I think there is a good case for charecterising De Valera's rule as Irish Catholic Facism, and like in Spain the church was deeply complicit with a regime that was authoritarian and violently nationalistic.
So what sympathies with the Nazi's existed at the time went beyond simply being motivated by hatred of the English.
OTH it should be remembered that these sympathies did not go much beyond that - i.e being symapthies, and even these were really very ambiguious. And when America entered the war agaisnt Germany they pretty much evaporated entirley - as there was virtually no constituency in the Irish republic for opposing the US.

115 kid charlemagne  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:43:41pm

#109 Kahz: I'm quite sure this woman is not Jewish. "Berg" is German (and Dutch?) for "mountain" and plenty of non-Jewish Germanic people have it in their name.

116 QueenEsther's evil twin  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 5:45:47pm

#31   Susan
Haven't you seen the Vagina Monologues? "****" is a "good" word, now. This scab-laden, spewtum-frothing, Islamo-Nazi cock-sucking scum in designer clothes is not worthy of that respectable a term,
puh-leeze.

#105   Brian Jacks 
I wonder what her father did during the war.

He probably took turns with Eva Braun blowing Adolf.

#109   Kahz
I only wish that all names that en in "-berg" were Jewish.

#29   zulubaby
We love you, too!

And to Frau Greta, you can kiss my fine Jewish ass.

117 Geepers  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 6:14:10pm

kid charlemagne, Dan fan?

118 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 7:45:19pm

Geepers (#117)

kid charlemagne, Dan fan?

Yes, I believe Squiddy is a "Dan fan" ;-)

119 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 7:46:59pm

QueenEsther's evil twin (#116)

Thanks! :-)

120 Geepers  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 8:14:35pm

zulubaby,

Actually I was thinking of the The Royal Scam

And David’s like that, he told squib to go out and play her “brass.” :-) Punk trumpet. I like.

121 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 11, 2003 8:35:04pm

Geepers,

I'm all over it. LOL! We've hit 600 on the other thread. Probably going to trash that one soon ;-)

122 Clutch  Mon, Jan 13, 2003 4:34:23pm

Oberstgruppenfuhrer Gretta Duisenberg, Belgian SS, deployed to Auschwitz in 1943-1945. Was found guilty of genocide and mass murder of civilians by an Allied military tribunaland was executed by firing squad in August 1945. Her final words "I wish that I had killed more J-e-w-s and had borne Der Fuhrers children! Seig Heil! Heil Hitler!!!" Her bullet-riddled corpse was dumped in an unmarked mass grave, over which later was made into a garbage dump.

It appears that the Nazi experiments to revivify their dead was successful...

(Well, it could be true...)


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