These are sick monsters. And yet, they have the world's sympathy and the Israelis are portrayed as the oppressors, even while still trying to salvage peace.

Muhammad Al-Dura was killed by a Palestinian to "make a martyr". This alternative way of "making martyrs" is, alas, not explain in what is, apart from that, a very informative piece.

More on Al-Dura and details of the investigation available here.

I know I keep saying this whenever there's martyrdom on the plate...but:

To all suicide bombers...please be sure to completely test your equipment before actual use. Make sure the explosives work. Allah will understand if you show up alone.

I read this in the paper today. Weirdness

Gee, ya ever think that maybe "the virtual destruction of their economy and infrastructure" of the Palestinians isn't because of the Intifada, but might, just might, be because of the brutal military occupation they live under? Wake up people.

"Shahada is not connected to any other goal," Mr. Marcus explains. "It is the goal."

These are the keywords. Death for death's sake. Truly satanic.

"the leaders of the intifada figured dead children made good public relations"

If the international community would condemn these abusers of children, it might take away the motive of political profit.

Anything that can be done to expose this horrible cult of child sacrifice is a step in the right direction.

Re: #6

The musical metaphors in Mr. Holland's Opus are rather obvious, and the soundtrack is an effective mix of pop tunes, classical compositions, and Michael Kamen's score. While no film this decade has equaled the accomplishment of Krzysztof Kieslowski and Zbigniew Preisner in wedding music and visuals for 1993's Blue, Mr. Holland's Opus has moments when it comes close.

Re: #6 Troll Mark

Brutal miliary occupation? Boy, you ain't seen nothing yet. If Israeli wanted to brutalized Palestinian, they could do what the Jordanian did during the last intifada in Jordan whereby Jordanian Army shelled every Palestinian town that flies PLO flag. Didn't know there was an intifada in Jordan? Well, PLO did tried to overthow Hashemite regime in Jordan back in the 70s, and got their asses kicked.

I didn't notice and BRUTAL military occupation when I was in the Palestinian territories this winter.

Someone whack #6 with a clue-by-four, please. I'm too tired.

But until someone does, Mark, here's a reading assignment for you so you can sort out your chicken-and-egg confusion:

[Link: jewishinternetassociation.org...]
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
[Link: www.yale.edu...]
[Link: www.who.int...]
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]
[Link: www.flamemag.dircon.co.uk...]
[Link: www.abrahamic-faith.com...]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Educate yourself.

Trol Alert....yum....

but might, just might, be because of the brutal military occupation they live under? Wake up people.

Unlike popular belief, the Palestinians don't live under a "brutal military occupation." And they wouldn't have any Israeli military in their lands if, say, they weren't trying to kill every Israeli? Gaza and the West Bank are in some ways safer than the main body of Israel. You don't have to question if someone is going to blow themselves up on a bus or in a mall.

Also, the economy is in the pits because of their leadership and their choices, not anyone elses.

#6 - Mark - Now let me see...

cause ----> effect
intifada ----> destruction
more intifada ----> more destruction
more and more intifada ----> almost total destruction
keep going ----> you know...

Maybe #6 is a "pali symp".

The palis lost wars against Israel, they made their bed;

"by the will of allah we will through them into the sea", was their battle cry.

Well things didn't work out that way. Tough beans.

In any war's aftermath, their is "occupation" of someone
else's land. So say the losers.

Anyway, palis lost, thus they whine and use their own brainwashed children to commit mass murder.

What a said state of affairs "CHAIRMAN" arafish, has delivered.

To all the palis who wish their own children to die, rethink your priorities.

"What is better," asked the host, "peace and full rights for the Palestinian people, or Shahada?

"Shahada. I will achieve my rights after becoming a shahida," the little girl responds.

*blinks, stunned*

We have lost the war against militant Islam.

Either they will destroy us (which I find highly unlikely) or we will be forced to destroy them, utterly. You cannot reason with people who have been indoctrinated in this manner; it's perhaps even worse than the Hitler Youth (there were two types of German soldiers who typically fought to the death, even when Germany was losing in WW2: SS forces were one, and the Hitler Youth were the other).

I fear that America will not reach the end of this century without adding the Islamists to the history books alongside the American Indians as cultures we drove to the brink of extinction, for fear of their threat to our society.

Actually the "palestinians" do live under a brutal military occupation which has destroyed their infrastructure.

It is called the "palestinian authority".

I fear that America will not reach the end of this century without adding the Islamists to the history books alongside the American Indians as cultures we drove to the brink of extinction, for fear of their threat to our society.

Except that in the case of the islamofascists, it will be necessary, justified, and an act of self defense, unlike the US' sorry history with the Native Americans.

#18 - "Except that in the case of the islamofascists, it will be necessary, justified, and an act of self defense, unlike the US' sorry history with the Native Americans."

The longer we wait, the greater the likelihood that Muslim nations other than Pakistan will have nuclear weapons. Egypt comes to mind. We cannot afford to wait until the end of this century. End of the decade - maybe.

The Paleos want to achieve Shitheada because it's an evolutionary step beyond cement-heada. At least shit, like brains, is moist and pliable--unlike the rocky mass now between the ears of most Palestidiots.

Re #6 and "brutal occupation," what do you think would happen if the Palestinians had the upper hand over the Jews? Hint: How many Arabs live as Israeli citizens?...Now, how many Jews live as citizens in Arab nations? Good...I see you can at least count to nearly zero. That's a start.

As for "brutal occupation," Can you also say "ethnic cleansing?"

Answer, Troll...No, do not wait for the translation...

#3:m12edit

To all suicide bombers...please be sure to completely test your equipment before actual use

You are so right!

Considering that 72 virgins are available in paradise, personal and private equipment shoud be checked.

This bunch doesn't decend into the middle-ages. They go much further back - to a time when human sacrifice was practiced. The Incas have nothing on them.

This breaks my heart.

I give it till the end of next week that we start.

One of the things which is so sickening about this is what is being presented to these children as paradise; " a
fun-filled place with amusement parks, kites and beaches" (Heaven as Coney Island) is hardly something that is unknown here on earth.

Amusement parks, kites, and beaches exist in Israel now, just like they exist elsewhere. They don't exist on the West Bank and Gaza because the Pali leaders have decided to make the destruction of Israel, and not the building of a decent infrastructure and economy for the Palis, their Number One priority. But Pali kids don't know that, of course. They're being brainwashed into thinking that the only way they can enjoy childhood pleasures that millions of others of children enjoy is to kill themselves and take others with them.

They're being told by their elders that the way to improve their existence is by ending it. Forget hard work, education, rule of law or anything that might make an amusement park in Gaza a possibility.

From the 1968 Palestinian National Charter (PLO Covenant):

Article 7:
That there is a Palestinian community and that it has material, spiritual, and historical connection with Palestine are indisputable facts. It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.

Article 8:
The phase in their history, through which the Palestinian people are now living, is that of national (watani) struggle for the liberation of Palestine. Thus the conflicts among the Palestinian national forces are secondary, and should be ended for the sake of the basic conflict that exists between the forces of Zionism and of imperialism on the one hand, and the Palestinian Arab people on the other. On this basis the Palestinian masses, regardless of whether they are residing in the national homeland or in diaspora (mahajir) constitute—both their organizations and the individuals—one national front working for the retrieval of Palestine and its liberation through armed struggle.

According to what Arafat tells the US, these articles were nullified as part of Oslo. According to the Palestinian Authority's Ministry of Information, not even the Israelis dispute the continuing validity of these articles (i.e., the Ministry claims that the only articles arguably affected by Oslo, according to the Israelis, are 1, 9, and 19-22). Margaret Wente's article makes very clear that, in practice, it is the Information Ministry's position that prevails in Arafat's pseudo-state; Palestinians are taught that they should sacrifice themselves in the struggle to defeat Zionism and liberate the land.

The Intifada is not about freedom or Palestinian self-determination. It is about liberating Palestine by defeating the forces of Zionism and imperialism. That is not merely what I say; it is what they say.

Now here are some real muslim martyrs

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

Though most of them would have no use of female virgins.

Just an innocent question here, but weren't most martyrs historically killed by their own people?

From Palestinian Media Watch:

A PA legislator, Nahed Munir Alrayis, in his regular column in the official PA daily, threatens that US policy toward the Arab world will leave the Arab and Islamic world so hopeless that they will have no choice but to resort to “suicide attacks against the United States, its armed forces and its navy.”
He accuses US President Bush, in his policy, of "attempting to isolate them [the Arab and Moslem World] so that they will have no hope of an ally in integrity and justice, to incite others against [the Arabs] so much that they will lose their trust in what is called ‘world public opinion’ and ‘human rights’ and to close off all the political and diplomatic avenues which nurture hope, then they will have nothing left, in this position, except suicide missions

Palestinian Authority dictator Yassir Arafat won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1994.

[Link: www.pmw.org.il...]

One needs to take this terror cult of/from Islam really seriously. A reasonably good analysis of this problem here

[Link: www.techcentralstation.com...]

The deat cult of martyrdom is a phenomenon much like that of the kamikaze in WWII. Both use enethical means of combat, as they do not wish to survive the combat. It is the act of glory itself that counts. Thus the immolation of Atta and his crew on 9/11, is hailed in the Islamic world as an act of martyrdom to be greatly admired.

The success of Palestinian death cult, like the Kamikaze before it, is that it enjoys widespread support of the society that begat it. In WWII, the only way we could combat the death cult, was to be prepared to destroy the society that begat it. Some such responses unfortunately, have to be considered to destroy Islamic death cults, before it destroys us.
In fact, even consideration of such an option might stop marytyrdom operations because one thing that matters most to the muslim martyr is that no harm comes to the Islamic Umma.

How not to make a martyr.

Look at their society - the only solution to maintaining any peace is to build fences.

The more this stupidfada has continued, the bigger the fences should get.

By now, total separation is the only solution.

#27 Valentine

As a general rule, yes, most martyrs are killed by their own people. In the case of Palistinian children, it is absolutely true.

Palestine:

A historical region of southwest Asia at the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea and roughly coextensive with modern Israel and the West Bank. Occupied since prehistoric times, it has been ruled by Hebrews, Egyptians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, and Turks. A British League of Nations mandate oversaw the affairs of the area from 1920 until 1948, when Israel declared itself a separate state and the West Bank territory was occupied by Jordan. The West Bank was subsequently annexed (1950) by Jordan and occupied (1967) by Israel. In 1988 the Palestine Liberation Organization under Yasir Arafat declared its intention of forming an Arab state of Palestine, probably including the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Arab sector of Jerusalem. The Palestinians achieved limited self-rule in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in 1993 and 1994.

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So, Arafat declared the intention, but the state was never formed, so why do we insist on calling them Palestinians?

What can we call them? They have no nation, no real leader, no constitution, no nothing.

Why do we even consider them an entity? Why do the Euros cowtow? Why would anyone be fighting a war over this?

I undertstand that they are people, but these people have chosen to follow someone who is an idiot.

I feel sorry for the parents of this girl who blew herself up, but they werent watching her closely enough.

Wow, what a crowd this is. Mark my words, and pass
them on to your children.

The minute you get put in the grave is the minute
you will find out who was right, who was wrong,
and what life was all about. Take a deep breath
and remember where you're heading.

#36 are you addressing prospective splodeydopes or LGFers?

nik (#37)

You got in before me.

They're going about it the wrong way. The proper way to make a martyr is BRASS. Breathe, Relax, Aim, Sight, Squeeze....

Now ain't this just a shame...?

[Link: nytimes.com...]

NOTE: This is the first article I've seen which confirms that must UNRWA workers are Palestinian. 'Nuff said.