I am so tired of people characterizing criticism of Islamic fundamentalism as "racist." The problem isn't that the Islamists are Arab - it's that they're Islamist. Is anyone saying "love the John Walker Lindh - good white guy"?

Who is this Norquist idiot?

Americans for Islamofacism

[Link: www.atr.org...]

Why don't we start our own counter PR campaign, and email the pres lettters of support?

I think we in the vast Right Wing Conspiracy should sponser a nationwide commercial differentiating between Islamists and Arabs. Maybe we can show pictures of Yassar and with the caption "Islamist" and then show a starving Pali child with the caption "Arab". We could run the gammut on that one, but I digress. I know it will never happen but there has to be some way to illustrate this to the mainstream public.

Norquist is a wacko from some tax reform think tank. It's not worth paying any attention to him. Disregard this action, as well as his irresponsible supply-side tax reform idiocy.

A little OT but did you Charles or anybody else see Fox News last night? About 20 minutes into the 6 newscast they showed a 2 minute tape from Iraq showing the grand poo-bah going on and on about how Allah is going to destroy the jews and the west. It was very powerful stuff that I could believe they were actaully showing. It looked like a Nazi rally with people shouting waving and going totally ape-shit. It was the same crap that Charles writes on his weekly round-up of what the freakazoids are saying in the middleast. I know a lot of us here were saying that if the mainstream media would show this stuff it would really open a lot of peoples eyes. I sat with open mouth when seeing it in person. I was just surprised that they would show this. They did so without interruption of a reporter which was even more amazing.

BJW (#6)

I watched that. I was actually surprised that nobody mentioned it on LGF last night. Actually, I saw it twice. The place that I was eating lunch at has TV's. No exaggeration, every single person in the restaurant stopped eating, talking, moving. We all sat there and just stared at the screen. I watched it again last night and it was even worse than the first time. Absolutely one of the most obscene, insane things I've ever seen. The guy drew his sword out while screeching about cutting the heads off the Jews! Reading the weekly sermons is one things, watching it, and seeing what a frenzy these men are whipped into is entirely another. Very scary stuff.

Well, the idiotarians won't be swayed, but that's okay. Maybe this will, on the other hand, sway the 60% swingers.

Who is this Norquist idiot?

A Republican who thinks that Muslims and Republicans should be natural allies since Muslims are conservative. I guess Norquist holds his wife on a leash if he feels he shares common values with Muslims.

Anyway, he's been a big factor in the political organization of Wahabbi Muslims in this country. He is a lobbyist for Islamic interests.

#6 & #7,

Lileks wrote about that clip in today's Bleat.

#6 Yes, I saw it, but until ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN shows it, the people who need to see it the most won't.

#5

The problem is that Norquist isn't a nobody, but one of the most powerful and respected of conservative lobbyists (which, regardless of you political bent, carries a lot of pull in DC right now). Before he went over to the headscarf camp, he was a sound anti-tax activist, something those of us who are paying your unemployment find appealing.

Aside from your brainlessly inane spouting off about the merits of reducing tax rates in a fair manner, you might someday have a point about Norquist's irrelevance. Let's hope he's marginalized soon. Until then, learn a thing or two and respect the enemies that can hurt you, and get a clue about the wisdom of high marginal tax rates. IMAO, most posters here would likely concur.

Never trust someone named Grover if he isn't a muppet.

OT

Does anyone know if Taranto ever posts over here? I know he reads a lot of BOTW from here, but I didn't know if he ever got into the comments.

#13 James

And even then, you have to be careful. The same man who did Grover's voice did Mrs. Piggy's. Coincedence? I think not.

whats this.'BOTW'...?

Best of the Web

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

OT

Anyone who though Charles was being anti-Catholic for being critical of the Vatican's recent statements about the war and photo ops with Saddam's minions should read the editorial below. The editors of the National Review, who are largely Catholic conservatives, are saying the same thing.

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

I have only one thing to say about MPAC.

Busted!

crybaby terrorists complain to Bush!
such poor INNOCENT souls
Poor peaceful Muslims.
Their portrayal of being the victim in one breath
while calling for the extermination of Jews
makes me want to shake the living hell
out of all the thousands of people who appease and
support them.
What fools.

An interesting question: If Islam is such an "international phenomenon" and is expanding onto every continent, how is it considered racist to wonder about their loyalties? Wouldn't it be "religion-ist" instead?

It may have been legal (under the First Amendment's protections of speech and free association) to be a member of the American Communist Party, but that doesn't mean that they got a free pass when suspicions about anti-American activities came home to roost.

If, today, there were a dozen young angry Arabic-speaking men grouping together in a public place, none of them have a reason to bitch when the cops start showing up in response. If they were to get together in a mosque (which seems to be a natural gathering place for them, for obvious reasons), the current societal worldview means they are going to have to get used to people looking at the with suspicion, and their race has absolutely nothing to do with it, because the imams are declaring that "Muslims should cut off the heads of the Jews and the Americans", and race has nothing to do with it.

So how are we "racist" to doubt the intentions of the practitioners of the "Religion of Piss"?

Make statements of that nature, and you get watched very closely after that, whether you like it or not. Defend a religion whose leaders make statements like that (without denouncing such fatwas) and get lumped in with them.

# 12 -

I'm with you. It's disheartening when conservatives do dumb things, like call Frank Gaffney a racist and religious bigot.

A little OT but did you Charles or anybody else see Fox News last night? About 20 minutes into the 6 newscast they showed a 2 minute tape from Iraq showing the grand poo-bah going on and on about how Allah is going to destroy the jews and the west.

Yep, saw that on Special Report. Compelling stuff.

Also interesting, the day before on Special Report, they aired the following video that Charles posted here on LGF:

[Link: brain-terminal.com...]

The above must-see video has been seen by tens of millions of people!
 

I just emailed Fox and Friends and asked them to show the Mad Mullah with the Sword film clip again.. and again.. and again.

#10, Sarah eg - thanks.

If the Christian conservatives weren't so into end-times theology and the role of Israel plays right now, there could very well be an alliance of Islamic and Christian fundamentalists. Norquist wasn't so far off the mark. There are many areas where the two groups' interests collide on social and economic issues. Go back about a year and check out the alliance made between U.S. conservatives and Islamic leaders to strike down some U.N. initiatives on population planning. Also, think school vouchers and faith-based initiatives. Jews and classic libs owe a debt of gratitude to LaHaye and Jenkins (of the Left Behind craze) for bringing Israel close to the heart of the mass market of right-wing Christians.

I think we should maybe print up t-shirts that say something like so:

Islam is not a color, it's a hateful backwards ripoff of Judaic/Christian beliefs bent on world domination.

And maybe one like:

frontI (heart symbol) Arabs.
backI (spade symbol) Islamofascists.

# 24 -

From Lileks:

Playwright Harold Pinter, speaking at last weekend's rally, said 'The US is a nation out of control,' and 'unless we stop it, it will bring barbarism to the entire world.' He said America was 'a country run by a bunch of criminal lunatics with Tony Blair as a hired Christian thug.' When Blair shows up in the pulpit cleaving the air with a scimitar, let me know. When US television broadcasts a speech with Billy Graham hosting an Excalibur replica from the Franklin Mint Collection, demanding the decapitation of Muslims, let me know. When George Bush grips the podium and beseeches American rock formations to give up the location of non-Christians so we can slit their throats, and it's carried live on national TV by presidential order, drop me a line. It takes a particularly rarified variety of idiot to look at a Jew-hating fascist with a small mustache - and decide that his opponent is the Nazi.

[Link: www.lileks.com...]

#26 snopes

Don't be so sure all Christians are closely allied with Isreal because of their supposed involvement in the 'end times'. Many of us respect the Jews because they have learned to tolerate and protect peoples with different beliefs. Whether it is expressed in such ways or not, Democracy is the greatest friend to Christianity in the world.

True G-funk. But there's no doubt LaHaye et al helped with the cause. I'd bet there's a few who would have been on the David Duke bandwagon if they hadn't already been following Left Behind.

If Islam is such an "international phenomenon" and is expanding onto every continent, how is it considered racist to wonder about their loyalties? Wouldn't it be "religion-ist" instead?

It's 'racist' because 'racist' is a stupid buzzword which carries a lot of negative connotations, especially in the U.S. They yell 'racist!' for it's spin effect.

This Victor Davis Hanson article from last year has this excellent summation of "moderate" Muslim media flacks in the U. S.:

Our talking heads bring in Muslim moderates to explain to us yokels the differences between radical fundamentalism and Islam; but then the imams and moderate Palestinians so often achieve precisely the opposite effect, by castigating Israel (usually ten seconds into the interview), warning us about racial profiling (15 seconds) — and rarely saying a word about the dead, or about the uniqueness of the United States in welcoming a self-critique impossible anywhere in the Arab world. Then they are thanked for their "insight," and go on to the next show.

#30 snopes

I don't disagree, really. Anti-Semitism has always been rampant in the south, where I'm from, and if it wasn't for some strangely almost fanatical "The Jews are God's people" beliefs, there likely would be a whole lot more. As it is now, many Christians, because we owe much of our faith and beliefs to precepts established by the Jews, hail the Jews as some kind of forefathers. I've even heard of Christians giving their sons Bar Mitzvahs. But in the circles I'm associated with, we look at free nations as a home for our beliefs and the practice of our beliefs. It's part of the reason we want to see sweeping change and reform in the ME. If that happens, then Christians, Jews, Hindus and whatever else will be free from state sponsored persecution.

#23 Are you saying you can watch the tape
at the fox link???

On the 1st anniversary of Daniel Pearl's death, In Context points to an article on how Palestinians target Israeli reporters for assassination.

I hope you all are reading Michael Savage's new book, "The Savage Nation". This guy knows what is going on. If you are able to, listen in to his radio show at night. I am in NYC. WABC 770AM. He broadcasts from San Francisco, CA. Listen in. See the truth!

I am sick of all these idiots protesting about something they know NOTHING ABOUT!!!

They really have no clue. It's stunning. Incredible!

Andrew

soak the poor -

Perhaps you should learn a little bit about economics yourself before spouting your idiocy.

Supply-side economics is a completely discredited theory, held on to by right-wingers looking for an excuse to cut taxes.

They realize that cutting taxes for the rich and increasing the deficit is an unwise, unpopular, and unfair policy, so they either cling to this lie that lowering marginal tax rates result in more tax revenue or are happily duped by the lie. Grover Norquist, Jack Kemp, Arther Laffer, Steve Forbes and you - Simply idiotic or pathological liars?

If you don't like that fact that a progressive tax system helps out the poor in this country, then get your worthless family off welfare.

Snopes -

Absolutely correct - end times theology has pushed the conservative right into support of Israel, in pursuit of the Rapture, which forces them to abandon their heretofore anti-semitic leanings.

#23 Are you saying you can watch the tape at the fox link???

No, unfortunately that was just a link to the show's website, which has some interesting articles.  There are some other videos available, though.
 

I grew up in small town Texas and never heard a hint of anti semitism. I am a Christian and support Israel's right to exist and defend itself because it is a democracy. People are taught to hate. I admit to emotional responses to anti semitism because of World War2 . I will never understand it and every attempt to explain it in history books has taught me to watch closely what leaders write and say. If they wish to kill you they mean it. I forgot that before Sept.11

Cheers to David A. Keene and Frank J. Gaffney.

I just hope that someone in the Bush administration has read Emerson.

Norquist is a serious Repub. player and has already done damage. Jews are about ready to switch parties in large numbers but with people like Norquist placing selected Pro Arab Activists and Antisememtic Islamists (of all kinds) in Key positions or trying to..the GOP wont be a place for Jews to flock. I havent been a Dem since my party stood and cheered for Jesse Jackson after he called ME..a Hymie. Im TRYING to become a Repub. Guess I have to remain an Independent.

Here is an idea: Instead of bringing in to the White House militant Islamist leaders, why not bring in crowds of anonymous ordinary moderate Muslims? Moderate Muslims in the electorate would relate better to this than bringing in the militants, if the prez is looking for votes. And why help the militant side gain more legitimacy? If you can't help the moderates, at least don't help the militants.

Pres. Lincoln used to like to mix with crowds of people -- he called it his baths. Dubya might get used to mixing with the common folk a bit, and it wouldn't do his image harm either.

Actually, almost anything is better than inviting those militant creeps from MPAC, AMC, or CAIR.

EE - Have you ever asked your Muslim neighbor's what they think about CAIR, etc? (Without voicing your own opinion first?)

Re: seething and whining.

The fully veiled one is at it again. She writes:

Nathan Newman puts it more eloquently than I could.

But of course, o fully biased one. To paraphrase Henry Miller, no one can hate the Jews more than such a **** of self-loathing delusional Jew as Nathan Newman.

The perverse struglle for excellence - even in self-hatred - I suppose.

#44 snopes
We have already heard -- on a different thread -- from "gymnast", who felt that CAIR was a creature of the House of Saud.

If there are any other ordinary Muslims reading this, please help me out and answer snopes' question: what is your view of CAIR?

(snopes, it's easier to ask strangers than to jeopardize a friendship by interjecting a lot of politics. I am not sure I have the nerve to go political on friendly neighbors. They are willing to be extremely friendly to us, and we are obviously not Muslims. And someone in their family ridiculed fanaticism. In my book that makes them moderates.)

Hai, Misir Presihdent, Ih reprasent the Klu Klux Klan and don't don like that yuh, that yuh don represent uhs uhn don leht us call for lynchin' them thar coloreds and them, those pope wirshipars, an burn tha catholic cross in front uhh the white hous. My friend Jimma Carta is gon' complain to the EU and his buhd Jake Chi-rack is gonna complain to that thar UN...

#44 snopes
To be more exact, on "The Money Men" thread, "gymnast" wrote about CAIR: "CAIR could not exist without the financial blessings of the magic kingdom, it is an organ of the house of Saud."

"no one can hate the Jews more than such a **** of self-loathing delusional Jew as Nathan Newman. "

Interesting assumption that I am Jewish. I'm actually half Jewish on the wrong side (my Dad) but never identified as such.

But the antisemitism of Q's statement is obvious, implying the self-loathing of some neoconservative Jews that is all about feeding the stereotypes of weakness that Christians promoted about Jews for so long.

But the Jews I admire are the ones who are strong enough to want an Israel they can be proud of, one that treats others with the respect they demand from everyone else.

But antisemitic people like Q would not understand that.

Nathan Newman

#32 -

That quote from VDH is spot-on! I was at a pan-sectarian 9/11 memorial where the sole Muslim representative (a CAIR woman) followed that script precisely - except that she was in a synagogue, so she didn't do any Israel bashing. No, she just complained about anti-Muslim sentiment following 9/11, and made at most a pro-forma statement about how horrible the WTC bombing was...

EE - There are several Muslims I know who would call themselves moderate and also ridicule extremists. They lurves CAIR. And I am on good enough terms with them to discuss religion and politics. (Is gymnast a practicing Muslim? I know Bez and brownfinger are former Muslims.) What is a moderate by Western standards is not necessarily moderate by Islamic standards. Many standard Sunni Muslims who disavow terrorism and do not consider themselves militant still believe in the death penalty for apostates. That is NOT moderate by my definition.

#49 Nathan Newman
I read your article on your blog complaining about how terrible it is for Israel to build a wall. You equated Israel to the Nazis for having the nerve to build a wall. One thing you did not mention is the series of massacres that Arabs in that region have committed against the Jewish population. It seems to me very inaccurate, to say the least, if you describe one half of a fight. I think that anyone has the right to separate himself from his enemies. And Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Aksa Martyrs Brigades have proven beyond any doubt that they are enemies of the Jewish population.
What the Jews there are showing is that they are determined not to go to their deaths like sheep to the slaughter.

#49 -

I agree that the ad hominem was unnecessary. However, your argument is ridiculous - to begin with, the Jews in 1938 were not violently attempting to destroy the state of Germany, remember?? I suspect the kind of "strong" Israel you want is the strength of the martyr who is morally perfected in death (not a Jewish concept, of course)...

Forget it, not worth arguing with someone who would rather see 100 dead Jews than a curfew on the hostile neighboring population...

Its not "neoconservatism." It is reason. It is sanity. It is the need for survival. It is not to just stand there and grant some 'freedom fighter' fulfillment of their holy quest. Do you 'understand' that?! Can you call for 'understanding' when your blown to peices?!

Go ahead, call me a 'insane zionazi jew.' I will still piss on 'understanding' at all costs.

#51 snopes
Thanks for the information.

By the way, my neighbors seem so mild and gentle it does not seem possible that they would support the death penalty for apostates -- but it's not something that I talk about with them.

snopes I realize that CAIR manipulates their constituency by their public whining. I just hate those CAIR bastards because I have read of their likely affiliations to HAMAS, and that they are likely tied to the Muslim Brethren, and that they are militant Islamists. I am hopeful that the moderate end of the Muslim spectrum will become alienated from CAIR.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Re: #49

Interesting assumption that I am Jewish. I'm actually half Jewish on the wrong side (my Dad) but never identified as such.

You do have a Jewish name. For the record, I've always been against "the wrong side" nonsense. And of course, what really matters here is whether those who would put you into the cattle car at the slightest opportunity identify you as a Jew. Yep, I'm talking about your cuddly buddies, the Yesha Arabs.

But the antisemitism of Q's statement is obvious, implying the self-loathing of some neoconservative Jews that is all about feeding the stereotypes of weakness that Christians promoted about Jews for so long.

Wha..?

It is Nazi Germany circa 1938.

Look, here's the thing. Any comparison between Israel and the Nazis is off-limits. It is obscene. End of story. Yes, because of history you're so fond of distorting. To make it is a sign of either moral (and often physical) putrescence, or mushy self-delusion. Or both. So, when, say, the US is called a Nazi state, I smile and shrug derisively. When the same is done for Israel, I go for the jugular.

EE,Snopes, Search back issues of Arab News to find anouncements of significant donations to CAIR. Dawa WAMY ect. Look in the white pages to find mosques named after royal family members.

Sorry , white pages of US phone books in just about any American city.

Is Nathan Newman following Q around?

Nathan Newman...on your website...you say...

"Ghettos

And I mean that in the sense of the Warsaw Ghetto.

I saw the movie the Pianist last week, and to see the Israelis step-by-step take Palestinian autonomy away, deny them jobs, deny them access to friends and family through walls and security-- what can you think of other than the slow destruction of humanity that the Nazis inflicted on Jews in the ghettoization period."

well, the palestinian arabs want their own country...so under Oslo, the disputed territories were to become part of a soverign arab state. And slowly, in stages, tied to PA behavior, more land was to have been released to be under their complete jurisdiction.(Area A, B etc.)

Do you mean to say, there should not be any borders.? Israel is NOT allowed to control who enters her soverign territory.?

Is Israel legally or morally
obligated to provide unlimited access to everyone.? Jobs for arabs who are not Israelis, nor want to be Israeli..?

Is the USA obligated to provide jobs for Canadians.?

and here you say...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"But the Jews I admire are the ones who are strong enough to want an Israel they can be proud of, one that treats others with the respect they demand from everyone else."

...to which I answer...what a load of crap...

how about the arabs you admire?...how are they supposeed to behave.? why dont you ask how 'respectfully' muslim arabs treat Christians and Jews.?

Arab Israelis get more respect and freedom than arabs in any other arab country.

all this means is that you want more concessions from JEWS,

feh

we dont need nor want "respect' from people like you...

Nathan Newman also whines about

[Link: www.nathannewman.org...]

Bethlehem and Palestinian Ghettos

The Israelis are building a wall in Bethlehem to separate the Arabs from the Jewish part of town, just one more wall in a catacomb of walls and checkpoints trapping Palestinians in, well...

Q is right about you. The hallmark of an antisemite...the deligitimization of Jewish rights...

are you at all concerned why Israel is building this wall in Bethlehem.?

[Link: honestreporting.com...]

"The Oslo Accords provide for freedom of worship at holy sites, yet two of these sites -- Joseph's Tomb in Nablus and the ancient Peace For Israel synagogue in Jericho -- have been vandalized and burned by Palestinians acting under the watchful eye of PA police.

In the past 29 months, Rachel's Tomb has endured constant sniper fire, and Jewish worshipers must currently travel there by armored bus. The proposed wall will guarantee free access for all worshippers.

In an unintentional endorsement of the need for this wall, a website under the direct supervision of the Palestinian Authority designates Rachel's Tomb as a mosque -- "Bilal Ibn Rabah Mosque." Should the PA control the area, non-Moslems would be precluded from praying at Rachel's Tomb, since the position of the Mufti and other PA religious leaders is that it is blasphemy for infidels (Jews, Christians, etc.) to pray in a mosque. (IMRA) [Link: www.palestine-pmc.com...] "

...are you seriously unaware that the muslims claim ALL Jewish and Christian sites as muslim, and then forbid Jews and Christians access..?

see what they have done to the Temple Mount..

more on Bethlehem and Rachaels TOmb..

[Link: www.rachelstomb.org...]

" destroyed Joseph's Tomb and immediately rebuilt it as a mosque and now claim that it was never Joseph's Tomb at all but rather the grave of a Muslim clergyman of note. They now claim that it is a Muslim holy place and assert exclusive rights to it. Thus all non-Muslims will henceforth be barred from the site.

The implications for Rachel's Tomb are clear from this: What the Arabs did unto Joseph's Tomb they claim that they will do unto Rachel's Tomb."

I dont think I saw any outrage about this on your web site.

#57 gymnast
The Saudi influence, through their infusions of money in the US, is not a healthy thing.

Here are some things that Daniel Pipes wrote, and I wonder if you could comment on them. This is from Militant Islam Reaches America, the last chapter.

"Where, then, does that leave the United States, an overwhelmingly non-Mulsim country? It obviously cannot fix the problems of the Muslim world. It can neither solve the trauma of modern Islam nor do a great deal even to reduce the anti-Americanism that is rife in the Muslim world. As the battle among Muslims unfolds, non-Muslims will mostly find themselves in the role of outsiders.
Nonetheless, outsiders, and the United States in particular, can critically help in precipitating the battle and in influencing its outcome. They can do so both by weakening the militant side and by helping the moderate one."

That is a good theory. But in practical terms, gymnast, how can the moderate side be helped?

"Most obviously, it means that the president must stop meeting with and legitimizing militant Islamic leaders as he has done repeatedly both before and after September 11."
Any thoughts on this? Any advice to the president?

"That is where the moderate Muslims come in. If roughly half the population across the Muslim world hates America, the other half does not. Unfortunately, they are disarmed, in disarray, and nearly voiceless. But the United States does not need them for their power. It needs them for their ideas and for the legitimacy they confer, and in these respects their strengths exactly complement Washington's."

Sounds like he is talking about some kind of partnership, no?

"When it comes to Islam, the U.S. role is less to offer its own views than to help those Muslims with compatible views, especially on such issues as relations with non-Muslims, modernization, and the rights of women and minorities. This means helping moderates get their ideas out on U.S.-funded radio stations such as the newly created Radio Free Afghanistan and, as Paula Dobriansky, the undersecretary of state for global affairs, has suggested, making sure that tolerant Islamic figures -- scholars, imams, and others -- are included in U.S.-funded academic and cultural exchange programs."

"Anti-Islamists today are weak, divided, intimidated, and generally ineffectual. Indeed, the prospects for Muslim revitalization have rarely looked dimmer than at this moment of radicalism, jihad, extremist rhetoric, conspiratorial thinking, and the cult of death. Nonetheless, moderates do exist, and they have much to offer the United States in its own battle against militant Islam, not least their intimate knowledge of the phenomenon of of its potential weaknesses. In addition, the legitimacy they braing to any campaign against militant Islam, simply by rendering the charge of 'Islamophobia' unsustainable, is invaluable."

And Pipes' concluding sentence: "The fight against militant Islam will be won if America has the will and persistence to see it through, and the wit to understand that its message must be carried in the end by other voices than its own."

gymnast, what do you think of these thoughts by Pipes?

EE, I am on the outside and Pipes has forgotten more than I'll ever know about the problems of this part of the world.Militant VS moderate no easy solution other than to deal with people as individuals. I shared an office for several years with a man who worked for the dawa and he was kind and gentle, pius and helpful. He said he would kill Rushdie himself if he ever got the chance. He had worked at an American university for several years but went to Saudi to raise his kids outside of popular corrupting influences in the US. Pipes is right in that if we do not wise up and see the world as it is we are headed for a war of cultures.

ploome - The hallmark of an antisemite...the deligitimization of Jewish rights.

Wait a second-- Israel's current government policy is not equivalent to Jewish identity or Jewish rights. You're walking a bad rhetorical path if people then have the right to bash Jews based on what Sharon does.

Most Jews I know don't buy that, so get off it. One can bash Israel and even think it shouldn't exist (although I think it should) and not challenge one iota of "Jewish rights."

Now, as for those who think I was unfair to Israel because I concentrated only on its sins in the post, well tough luck since it's in the news at the moment, not the history of other crimes Jews suffered in the past. (See "two wrongs do not make a right" et al).

But as for my personal evenhandedness, it doesn't all fit in any individual blog post or email message, but I'll direct you to some other points I've made in the past:

This posting from a left list on the Arab expulsion of Mizrachi Jews and and this simialr post and this one on the non-racism of Jewish nationalism in general.

The way folks here throw around the word antisemite, you just devalue to the term of meaninglessness.

nathan newman...

Now, as for those who think I was unfair to Israel because I concentrated only on its sins in the post, well tough luck since it's in the news at the moment,

so, the "sins of the moment " are the building of the wall, and not the building of the wall to stop the muslims from attacking a Jewish holy site and destroying Rachaels Tomb to replace it with a mosque.? This approach is so arbitrary and biased and, frankly stupid...i wonder what you use for brains..? and before you say this is an ad hominem...no.its a carefully thought assessment of you intellect...NOTHING THERE...

the rest of your post, is similarly warped...too much trouble to respond...

now disappear...:o)

strangly enough world net daily had a column concrening this guy back in OCT 2001

Debbie Schussel column Bush's terrorist buddy

It took some time but we got there.

#62,EE I have no idea what Bush is up to. I think he is being poorly served by his advisors on these matters (See#66s citation) or you are seeing disinformation in action--Is anything as it seems to be.

#66, and this

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

#63, 67 gymnast
Thanks for the information.

It's a complicated world. Seems like Bush the politician and Bush the statesman are at cross-purposes. Bush the politician seems to seek out the influential person who is a Muslim. The radicals have lots of power and influence, so that's where Bush the politician ends up.
But it would be better, IMO, if he tried to be Bush the statesman, and to meet with groups of Muslims whose views and actions were close to his own -- even if they were just ordinary people without power and influence.

Thanks, gymnast, for helping me to try to understand this complicated world.

EE Powerless people only influence events as tools of the power stuucture. Americans have never thought of themselves as persons without initative.

#70 gymnast
Do you have any advice for the president?

#64:

Most Jews I know don't buy that...

Oh, we're sure they don't.

One can bash Israel and even think it shouldn't exist (although I think it should) and not challenge one iota of "Jewish rights."

No, one cannot. Your self-delusion is even deeper than I thought. And those scare quotes are very telling.

The way folks here throw around the word antisemite, you just devalue to the term of meaninglessness.

Cases in point:

But the antisemitism of Q's statement is obvious

But antisemitic people like Q would not understand that.

Talk about meaninglessness.

EE Yes. Get a briefing from Ken Pollack and tell Rumsfield to get on with it as soon as all is ready.

#73 gymnast
Good to hear from you. Thanks.

So, Anti-Semitism is also a jew protecting his own life and culture (a culture that does not include jihad, therefore it is superior to islamism, no buts at all, unless you love murder) vs. the non anti-semetic 'good jews' who are those who blindly and stupidly want to die.

You all say love is the answer. Well then go hug a jihadi. (BOOM!)