Scum. I hope they lie down in front of an IDF bulldozer.

Yeah, great sentiment from the so-called "peace" crowd. Can't say I'm surprised.

why is the guy on the right wearing a mask??? Is he wanted for something? Why doesn't he have the balls to show his face? My hamster has bigger balls than he does.

This is not "dissent" but incitement to mutiny. These little fuckers are the ones who should be shot.

i think they should all be sent down to gaza, to sit in front of some more bulldozers... or be tried for treason.. or better yet, be given french citzenship. ignorant a***holes , totally ignorant of history, and toally undeserving of the protection of a country like america.

ololo mookie, great minds think alike

I wish I could say I'm shocked, but sadly I'm not. But these people are beyond despicable. They are flirting with sedition at the least.

Does anyone know of a pro-war rally in NYC tomorrow at noon in times square & broadway???

Where's the Ford Foundation with a program of free tickets to Iraq for wanna-be human shields?

Actually, these archair revolutionary pukazoids probably would not be interested in anything endangering their comfy lifestyle.

I live here in SF (actually, the peninsula). I think I can explain whats going on.

These people are under extreme financial pressure after the dot-com implosion, cannot afford rents, and are VENTING where they can at their sad status in life. It mostly about about them, and out-doing each other in terms of bold statements. Not to be taken seriously. Even the guys working on my house, who oppose the war, think these people are nuts.

#11 Adam, don't apologize for the scum.

PLEASE come to Dallas! Please protest in my hometown!
I've got my baseball bat ready.

This is excellent.

It's important that these nimrods expose themselves so that no one will take them seriously.

Wouldn't a banner saying "We support our troops but not our government" or something similar and rational make a a lot more sense? Of course. Instead they come up with that other slogan and have people wondering what color is the sky in their world.

Perfect, they expose their own selves.

Actually, what they're saying is that they support "revolution", such as happened in the USSR. I seem to remember there were a few mutinies involved in the Bolshevik take over.

An idea: it should be possible to positively identify at least some of these seditionists. Someone should set up a website where their pictures, home addresses, phone numbers, and employer (if any) can be posted.

For totalitarian trolls who may appear here:
There is no Constitutional right to incite mutiny and homicide.
There is no Constitutional right to block public streets at will.
There is no Constitutional right to assault passersby.
There is no Constitutional right to vandalize any kind of property.
There is no Constitutional right to privacy for acts committed in public.
There is no Constitutional right to fight for Saddam.
There is no Constitutional right to sabotage military facilities, (or even McDonald's for that matter).
There is no Constitutional right to be immune from criticism.
There is no Constitutional right to an audience.
There is no Consitutional right to shit on public sidewalks.
There is no Constitutional right to be taken seriously.

On the other hand, there is a constitutional right for you to be called seditionists, totalitarians, goons, creeps, and hypocrites.
Your world is collapsing in the flames of Baghdad and the cheers of the liberated. Live with it, or follow the example of your role model, Dr. Goebbels.

Okay, I could stomach the dude with the Iraqi flag...but this is just disgraceful.
Just thinking about how much time these people took to make this banner, and it makes my stomach churn.

I like the ski-mask on the asshat on the right. Nice touch.

1. Wrap those pukes in the banner.

2. Blindfold them and put them in the back of a pickup truck.

3. Park it next to a bar outside Ft. Benning, Georgia.

9th Circle of Hell, 21-3-03
It's nice to see young Americans devotedly continuing my work but where are my royalties on all those goddamned posters?

My hope is that the troops returning home from the Gulf will take a long weekend and blow off some steam at San Francisco and Berzerkeley. Let's see the Indymedia types unfurling this crap in from of some Rangers and Marines. Won't be pretty.

#10 Where's the Ford Foundation with a program of free tickets to Iraq for wanna-be human shields?

I am reminded of a quote by the late, great Lewis Grizzard: "Delta is ready when you are."

Bastards. F*cking scum bastards. Not worthy enough to even lick the crap off the bottom of the boots of the lowest PFC in combat.

WE SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PROTESTERS

TO FALL OFF THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE

#15 - Robert Crawford

I don't know about the USSR, but these are anarchists, not communists.
It is true though that this is precisely the same crowd that moaned the death of Stalin.
Apparently Anarchism is the new black for looney leftists.

#16, Iron Fist
I said something a lot like this on a string at Free Republic. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. All it will take is a missed thorazine dose, and maybe not even that. Great minds, etc.

Now, HERE is a nice protest photo

Revolting beyond revolting. I know at least one democracy where the lot of them would be awaiting trial for sedition.

All things considered, I never thought I'd be happy to deal with Seattle protestors.

Wow...and I thought them blocking the bus was bad. At least they've gotten off their Rachel Corrie kick.

As for these guys...I do wonder what we could do to possibly identify them and post their names and such around...I'm sure they've been in other protests...maybe even identified... hehheh. *evil thoughts*

#28 iowahawk

she could cover up that navel, for pete's sake! But you're right--it's a very nice photo. thank you. :)

wonder how much ANSWER charged them for that banner?

yknow, i kind of wish i lived in a big city again. I'd take it upon myself during these protests to personally rip the masks of every one of those people. La lucha, with a twist.

#28 Now that's what I'm talking about.

Knock these people out, round them up, put them into an airlift, and drop them into Baghdad. Then, call off the bombing for a few days so we can watch what happens to them.

I support the right of all protesters to be bulldozed off the Bay Bridge.

WTF?

I support our troops and police when they fire on such Idiotarian treasonous fucks.

You can't possibly mean it? Why waste a single bullet on each of these useless parasites? Put them all on a plane and drop them over Iraq so they can be useful to society in minefield clearance activities.

BTW, anyone out there interested in patenting this?

Pattycake (#3) -

It's likely he's a member of the "Black Bloc" - they're the anarchist/vandal faction of the 'Peace' movement. They're the ones who disrupt things - break into businesses and vandalize everything they can get their hands on.

IndyMedia Information - Black Bloc.

Pay SPECIAL attention to the comments.

BTW, the 'Peace' movement doesn't seem to give a shit about anything but their own 'empowerment'. They sure don't care about the PEOPLE in Iraq.

And the below can be found at IndyMedia UK in an article about a woman who was arrested for getting onto an RAF base and damaging a Tornado.

Please support the Iraqi people
by Iraqi exile living in the UK 10:34pm Wed Mar 19 '03

Hi everyone. I am an ex-Iraqi citizen whose family (what is left of it) was forced into exile by the Ba'ath regime in 1989 when I was just 15 years old. My uncle was an Iraqi army officer who was critical of the conduct of his superior officers who were giving orders to murder civilians. My uncle was tortured to death by being sliced into pieces, which were then delivered to his family's door. His wife and 6 children were forced to eat his remains and then they were murdered by being nailed to lamp-posts and signs in the street. The rest of us escaped across the border to Syria from where we flew to the UK and we were granted asylum by this wonderful country. So far, nearly 1 million of my fellow Iraqi families have suffered a similar fate as mine.

I still count myself as Iraqi, as I did not leave Iraq of my own free will, and would one day love to return and open a general practice surgery, which is my profession. I would like my children to be able to play in the Tigris as I did with my sisters when I was a boy.

Now, on with the discussion about this wrecker-of-aeroplanes. Although I respect her for acting according to her beliefs I can only say that she is helping the man who murdered my uncle's family, namely Saddam. This war is not about killing innocent women and children as these groups will not be deliberately targetted, although several thousand will die at the most by being used as human shields by Saddam. Compare this though to the at least 25 thousand of my fellow Iraqis who are tortured to death each year and you will see that it is worth it to go to war to free my people from the terror of the current Iraqi regime headed by the despicable sadist Saddam. My noble people have a chance of freedom and welcome the efforts of the Americans and British to free them. For the first time in two generations my people will be free from torture and murder. Please listen to the Iraqi people before deciding what is good for them. My people want this war to happen. They want to be free. They are not interested in the so-called "peace activists" using this war as cover for their anti-capitalist and anti-American agendas.

If you care about the Iraqi people, like you claim to, then please support this war and if you want to do some good then go to post war Iraq and help them rebuild the country, instead of sitting here trying to stop something which in reality is truly good, which is the liberation of my people. Maybe I'll see you in post-war Iraq?

To iraqi exile
by Alex 11:58pm Wed Mar 19 '03
akranidis(at)hotmail(dot)com

We had a dictatorship here in Greece during the 70s
(supported by the CIA btw)
and thousands of people died in the hands of torturers.
But we gave our blood for our democracy.
Many people died in protests and in prisons,
but we liberated ourselves without foreign "help".

If your people can't do the same
then they simply don't deserve their freedom.

They won't have struggled for it
and they won't appreciate it.
They'll probably have a new dictator in a few years,
when Mr. Bush will have his oil assured.

(Because, you see, it's "All about the OOOIIILLL" - couldn't resist, sorry. J.)

In the meantime, your country will be flattened
and many women and babies killed
and everybody else will have to pay for rebuilding it.
Why?
Cause the oil companies' directors were fucking idiots
and invested on a country as unstable as Iraq.

So, see you in postwar Iraq?
Don't think so.
My people earned the right to their peace.
We just support those that make their own stand.
Like that brave woman.
Ulla, let her name be remembered.

Compassion, thy name is the peace movement. So, it's BETTER for the Iraqi people to be under a dictator, because they're unable to get out of his tyrrany through their own efforts, than be liberated by the US or UK.

These people are pathetic. I've seen more compassion and caring come from a cat.

J.

Iowahawk,

That anti-idotarian babe protesting ze weasels isn't bad, but there was one pic of a girl with a placard depicting 'Le Worm' Chirac making the rounds a few weeks back that was truly awesome. BTW, just watched
a rerun of Married With Cildren and Al Bundy's the perfect man for the presidential office of a country like France.

SF Police find cache of Molotov Cocktails

[Link: www.ktvu.com...]

Hey, how about:

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS WHEN THEY USE US FOR BAYONET PRACTICE.

Brain dead twits. I just love the PLO masked terrorist wannabe on the right.

I'd like to see the SFPD use him for baton practice.

Not all Mumia-Cong peace goons are opposed to the authorities, some of them ARE the authorities:
City Hall worker forced to remove flag.
Seems that some of his pomo power-freak co-workers are opposed to the war and they regard the flag as a poltical statement in favor of the war.

These guys do our job for us. Once regular people see stuff like this its all over.

A message to Indymedia from Uncle Sam

Hmmm, I've recently heard that many of the protesters are being financed by Marxist/Lenninnists. While this doesn't surprise me it does help explain some of the virulent rehtoric against the president, the US and the war. Seems that we have a major problem with extreme leftists.

Here in Chicago the police are cracking down on the protesters. No more blocking the streets. No more interferring with people trying to get to work. Interfer with people and you will go to jail. Mob action and disturbing the peace for charges.

Vile. Just ... vile. I'm glad my brother-in-law is in Iraq right now with Special Forces so he can't see this. Or perhaps it's better for the thoughtful gentleman holding the sign that my brother-in-law and his buddies are on the other side of the world from him right now. As others have suggested, you wouldn't want to try to broadcast this kind of repugnant message within Humvee range of a military base (Ft. Campbell in my bro's case). Thus appears the only proof we have that these folks have functional brains: these protests are taking place in big cities, not in front of the military personnel they are actually complaining about. A wise choice, unfortunately for the rest of us who have to see this dreck.

A Greek Protest.

Hmmm... Are there any of those buckets full of puke left over? I think I know where they can be put to use.

I just had to reply to that Greek ass and those protesters after that Iraqi exile was treated so badly.

Pardon the expletives but I was absolutely outraged.

---

Iraqi Exile,

Bravo! :)

I am sick to death of these protesters screaming that THEY are the ones who care about Iraqis when all they are doing is to enable Saddam to stay in power. They are the most arrogant, selfish, disgusting kind of people who don't even realize the results of their own actions. The *truth* is that if we don't go in there with massive power, Saddam and his murdering *bastards* will never be removed and the people that these "anti-war" - no, let's call them what they are "pro-Saddam" - protesters seem entirely comfortable with that.

They also seem to be entirely comfortable *telling* you what you should endure for their fucking hubris. I'm sorry, I'm not buying. I have known Iraqis all my life begging for something to be done, dying while trying to do it, and seeing nothing but darkness ahead.

To that snide reply from that guy in Greece: Fuck you. If America wouldn't have come in and liberated a shitload of places in Europe during World War II, then a lot of people would have been speaking German by now - if they would have survived the concentration camps. I don't see you screaming that America should have left Hitler alone. Until you're ready to protest that Hitler should have stayed in power, then you should shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you are talking about. How DARE you speak to a guy whose family was tortured and executed like that? How DARE you say what is good for him, you arrogant fuck? How DARE any of the protesters say what is good for the Iraqi people when they obviously want Saddam to die a slow and horrible death for what he has done?

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU PROTESTERS TO THINK THAT YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE YOU PROFESS TO CARE ABOUT?

I am OUTRAGED at this bullshit! I am livid with this lying stance. You don't care about Iraqis. You don't care about anything but hating America and it's allies. Yeah, we made mistakes but we're trying to fix them now, and that's more than you have ever done in your whole fucking life. Where were you during Saddam's reign of terror? If you care so much, why didn't you join the Free Iraqi Forces? Why didn't YOU sacrifice something other than some empty words and useless banners to protect Iraqis?

Until I see the protesters crying for their previous inactions, I will treat them just as they should be treated: like useless, unwashed, dissatisfied, angry kids who need a serious ass-whopping to put their spoiled little bratty ideals into a more realistic line.

LOLOL the crowd who doesn't believe in violence. I'd like to serve them some puke filled burittos.

Treason should be dealt with accordingly.

JLawson -

It's likely he's a member of the "Black Bloc" - they're the anarchist/vandal faction of the 'Peace' movement. They're the ones who disrupt things - break into businesses and vandalize everything they can get their hands on.

I don't believe the famous "Black Bloc" exists as an organization. The Black Bloc is just a set of violent and sociopathic ideas that are floated whenever a big demonstration is planned. The most psychotic and/or criminally-minded people in the area are thereby incited. Call it anarchy by proxy --- much safer than the real thing.

(It's no accident that sociopathic types spring up out of radical movements like weeds in rich dirt. Charles Manson was invented at Haight-Ashbury.)

As for identifying these people, the SFPD watches that website like a hawk, to the hysterical outrage of the Indy-creeps. Those who live in the SF area could help by standing up for the police who are accused of being "spies" for doing their duty.

This is despicable...

is there anyone out there taking detailed and accurate photos of these treasonous idiotarians?

i think all american service men and women should have a chance to see who the man behind the mask and his cohorts are.

revenge taste best when served cold and these morons have it coming to them good.

#48 Nathaniel Harari

Good for you! I felt exactlyhe same way when I read the above post (#37) - such wonderful "compassion" for the poster's family and the suffering of the Iraqi people. What about the Iraqi children they're always talking about? Do they deserve to suffer & die because they can't liberate themselves? Grrr.

Ooops, my /i got eaten. Sorry! (Teach me - this is the first time I didn't bother to preview. Figures.)

Not given to violence naturally, I am sorely tempted to buy a baseball bat to which I would attach a sign of support for the war effort.

Mess with my sign, feel my new bat.

By concentrating the whole national artillery in Baghdad, Mr. Saddam has improved the odds of chance hits against allied aircraft. Most of this flak will miss, however, causing random carnage as it comes back down to Earth, and giving the appearance that it is part of the allied bombing.

Why so crazed a self-defence? Because Mr. Saddam's real strategy can not be to prevail over the invading forces, only to enmire them in a human catastrophe. Yet from all his past experience, he retains one hope: that by animating huge anti-war demonstrations in the west, through the kind of instant-conclusion media reporting we have seen from Jenin and elsewhere, he can force Mr. Bush to sue for peace.

It is a long shot, but his only shot; and we should remember when we see them that the peace demonstrators, in their acute and often wilful naiveté, remain Mr. Saddam's only effective frontline troops, his single waning hope to keep Iraq enslaved. For the rest, the U.S. and their allies have devised elaborate contingencies, and let's pray they all work.

Thank you, Canada.com! Whole story here.

Does anyone here recollect big protest in Canada? Besides Vancouver, I can't really think of anything particularly interesting...

Allow me to personally invite all of you protesters here to Chicago where the Chicago cops can give you all a proper tune up...

(Voice of Cook County Lawyer)

Yer Honor, my client was in no way responsible for dis tragic incidint. We thought he wanted to be beaten to a pulp.

Read the Story:

Hundreds Arrested in Anti War Protest

This shows the nihilistic hatred of America these so-called "peacniks" harbor. They are not anti-war; they are pro-Saddam and anti-American.

Why don't they go to Iraq and fight for Saddam so we can obliterate them all?

They are all Communist party hacks.

Human refuse.

Officers were shot in the back in Viet Nam- there were plenty of that ilk over their, read Hackworth's book.

I say its time we get our own cells together to combat these brats, wear their black atire and start whacking them with mace and baseball bats from within their ranks-

I'll get the mace by the case!

#3

why is the guy on the right wearing a mask??? Is he wanted for something? Why doesn't he have the balls to show his face? My hamster has bigger balls than he does.

He's a member of tha anarchist groups infiltrating these rallies -they done masks - dozens and dozens of them, then commit vandalism (began in Seatle during the anti-globalisation rally) in this way the cops can't positively identify who the perps are.

hobgoblin: I appreciate the emotion, but a link to the comments you're upset about is sufficient. Let's not turn LGF into a place where we spam the spambots, please.

What is wrong with a local ordinance that requires that protestors not be masked? They do that here in the Sourth because of the KKK. If it's constitutional here it should be constitutional every where.

After all, shouldn't they be "brave" evough to stand up to their beliefs?

The sign is "Flirting" with sedition. Would cross the line into direct sedition for sure if the anarchists directly communicated with members of the Armed Forces by email in personally encouraging what was known in the history books (the glory days for these assholes) as Vietnam fragging.

And it is high time to start ID'ing the anarchists and pass local ordinances that no masked protestors are allowed per the language of issued permit. This has already been done for the KKK...and it is time the anti-American anarchists are brought under the same strictures.

48 Nathaniel: EXCELLENT reply to that Greek scumbag!

Good for them. And all those worldwide who abhor this criminal massacre. Any troops taking part in this atrocity are criminals, no better than those who carried out the 911 attacks. The US are the terrorists now.

Charles!!! :-)

The nation has been at war since September 11th, 2001 - start treat them as traitors with all consequences.

HEY LEFTY, YOU ARE BEING ROBBED

At one time, only anarchists carried black flags. They are being robbed. For Muslims, carriers of black flags are the most extreme Islamists. West-Muslim sympathisers, including members of Hizb-ut-Tahrir, are so contemptuous of "disbeliever" (kaffir) states where they live, that they refuse to recognize their own citizenship.

[Link: www.khilafah.com...]

Hizbis are overtaking al-Qaeda in Central Asia - especially in the vicinity of the Khurasaan area - as the preferred organizing force for final-jihad. Members are obsessed with the destruction of America and Israel, and are bound by blood-oath (bayat). States indulge black-flag activity at their own peril.

Who remembers the time during the Cold War, when the US Defense Dept. became so frustrated with misinformation, which was being spread by agitators, that they distributed millions of copies of an expose called "Soviet Military Power?" I believe that the degree of collective delusion shared by the 'eighties' "peace movement," was miniscule in comparison to the gospel of deceit which floats MTV generation gas-bags. It is time to admit that the factual basis of the Islamist threat, is not penetrating the minds of 30-60% of the citizens of any given state within the democracies. With tens of thousands of jihadis, living in the US for no other purpose than to assist in the destruction of America, constructive deprograming of the black-flaggies and their dupes is essential.

[Link: islamic-world.net...]

FOR A SAFER TOMORROW, KILL A JIHADI TODAY

it makes me sick to see such "anti-war" hatred, but i do support free speech. but if they haven't reserved that street for their public event they should be arrested for obstructing traffic. and if the arresting officer wants to arrest for more than that, great, throw the book at them. and any police brutality against these losers will be overlooked by me...

Robrt B. - I'll get the mace by the case!

I just moved my baseball bat from the depths of my closet to the trunk of my car.l

#68
You lie, authoritarian denizen of mom's basement.
A curse be upon your mustache (and your girlfriend's too, if you ever find one), may a diseased whore wipe her feet upon you gonads, may the fleas of a thousand hippies infest your boyfriend's anus.

#54 Laura, #67 Donna: Thanks both. :)

Unfortunately, I posted another reply after Iraqi Exile posted a reply to thank me, but it isn't posting on their board. I think they must have shut that topic down or something. But he replied really well and I launched into another reply. I only wish I could post it there for him to read. :)

#68 da6d

I bet you're not even sure who did 9-11. CIA/Mossad or Muslim terrorists, which ever one does the best to forward your anti-US propaganda right?

Theres 45 at last count of countries that are associating with us (US) in our liberation of Iraq.

Bush recieved approval from US Congress.

Bush is about 70% approval in the polls.

Watch how Democracy works little girl...

The government should declare martial law in San Francisco and hang the traitors.

#68
criminals are we? no better than the ones responsible for the WTC disaster?
you sad, pathetic creature
it makes me disappointed to know that I am doing what I am, being separated from my friends, and my loved ones, preparing for my time in the desert, to protect idiots (which you are) that believe what you do
but, in the end, that's ok, one day I'll come back from the desert, one day I'll be back in the arms of my loved ones, and all will be right in my world, freedom will be restored, good will triumph, and there will be much rejoicing
and at that time, you will still be an idiot

Rights and "freedoms" - whether in speech or action - always - ALWAYS - come with responsibility. No one is ever granted the right to act irresponsibly. Never. That is why we have civil law - because foolish people choose to act irresponsibly. And laws need some sort of objective and immutable standard which the Constitution provides. Nowhere does it state, in the founding documents of our nation, we have a right to act irresponsibly without consequences.

These cowards, and make no mistake, they are just that COWARDS, simply do not have the rocks to stand up to the reality that there are bad people out there that need to be taken out. Period. And armed conflict is a tool to that end. If the fellow/gal with the ski mask was so confident of his/her cause, why is he/she hiding behind the mask? He/she is hiding - he/she is a COWARD that is why.

I'd love to see how they would handle living in an environment similar to the one Saddam cultivated in Iraq (i.e. repression and intimidation). Where were the protests when Saddam was gassing his own people. Where were they when Stallin was killing nearly 20 million of his own people in a post war purge. Where were these protesters when the Cambodian government went about killing it's own people (post Vietnam)? Their Hypocracy speaks volumes.

And not only are they COWARDS, they are also ignorant of history, they are educated fools (the most dangerous kind of fool) and they choose to not "see" the truth of the world around them.

At the least it is very sad - at the worst it is treasonous - but nothing will come of it - think, we couldn't even convict a treasonous president when the facts were laid bare for all to see. We are simply seeing what our country has come to. we reap what we sow ...

Let's pray for crop failure.

As I've said repeatedly - ANSWER and its sister groups are a fifth column financed and run by terror states and individuals.

I hope that the FBI rounds them up as swiftly as they did with the Muslims caught after the failed WTC bombing.

Isn't Conspiriscy to comit a crime a crime in itself? To my mind making that banner and displaying it in pablic were a member of the military may posibly see it or a picture of it is conspiriscy to comit sedition.

Do these dweebits who are encouraging friendy-fire ever stop to think why they aren't in the crosshatch for crimethink? If they had been protesting Sadam's policies in pre-liberation Iraq, he would have had them dead or worse.

[Link: atlanta.indymedia.org...]

Swinging the cluebat at my goofy neighbors...the Stalinists keep deleting my posts, so it might not be there...so feel free to add your own...

Don't forget to post comments, silly photos, cake recipes baseball stats, or whatever takes up space on the IndyMedia sites. As the great Stepping Razor has instructed, pinging works too!

These scumbags are blocking the streets and the doorways of the fed. buildings that yours truly, needs access to, so that I may continue to serve the cause of the VRWC (keeping traitors out of gov't. jobs). And earn my paycheck.

Please help me in the re-education of my local idiotarians.

This is absolutly disgusting. If I EVER see one of these people in the street I am going to tackle them and beat the piss out of them. I am not lying. I can't stand it anymore. This has gone on for too long.

Andrew B

It's time to support of our president and OUR TROOPS.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE THEY ARE PROTECTING US.

What is wrong with these people.

Don't they get it...that these soldiers are protecting the VERY FREEDOMS THAT THEY ARE EXERCIZING?

IDIOTS!!!11

Shoot their officers, eh?

OK, so this is calling for an 18-year-old PFC to shoot a 22- year-old LT.

Makes sense to me.

Or maybe they want a 28-year-old SGT to shoot a 27-year-old CPT?

How about a 40-year-old CSM to shoot a 42-year-old LTC?

It's confusing...

I don't know how I could control myself were I to see this banner in public.

#83 The Hessian

Looks like your friends sustained no permanent effects from said cluebat.

#63,65,66

Many states have general laws prohibiting "concealment of identity in public". Some were originally written to handle KKK, but are mostly used for burglaries, bank robbers, etc. If you see a sign on the door of a store saying "no masks", it will usually reference this kind of state law.

And the police in some places do indeed enforce them in public places. Unfortunately, as is usual with our current crop of police, they may do so capriciously. I know one clown who was arrested while driving with her grease-paint on.

I think the problem is not that there aren't enough laws. It's the attitude of the police. The local chief or DA may give an overall direction that makes them ignore everything except improving their conviction rate, fine collection quota, splasy/sexy media stories, confiscation of property to help the budget, or whatever type of arrest the officials concentrate on.

Are we sure those aren't a pair of Iraqis holding that flag?! ;-)

After hearing the news about the U.S. serviceman who blew up his comrades today, I recalled seeing this gem here and checked to see if it was still on the website. Still there. I love free speech, but this goes beyond any standards of decency.

This pretty much sums it all up.

#20 iowahawk

Can you say "blanket party"?

I was pretty pissed off when I first saw it, but in light of today's events I'd like to wrap these precious little anarchists in their precious little banner and show them the true meaning of anarchy.

If they really want to help Iraq, they should go join the Iraqi armed forces.

The Iraqis regularly shoot their officers, it's called purging. Dictatorships and Monarchies have been doing it for ages.

This is a picture of useless people who don't deserve the right to free speech. After the 101 AirBourne Incident, if you don't have a gun in your hand and you aren't in the desert, then you should have the common sense to support the people who are there and defending your rights.
The next time we have a major US incident (9/11), these people will be the first to scream--where is our protection? Give them this sign to wave at the terrorists as the take these @$$holes out!!

You know, these idiots are really getting under my skin. Why?

First: If they're anti-war protests, why do they keep getting arrested? There's an inherent irony here, and everybody knows the punchline except for these bozos.

Secondly: they advocate human rights. Then they should already know the tortures of the Hussein regime (such as raping several hundred women in a day when they took Kuwait, suspending people from ceiling fans and beating them to death, inciting chemical war with Iran and the Kurds, etc.). Of course, they're ignorant of these facts. They just like to protest. Either that or they're too dumb to look beyond the "all war is bad" blinders. I would think that most humanists would want to end the Hussein regime BECAUSE of these atrocities.

Thirdly: these morons live in a free society where they are able to voice their opinions, as blatently wrong as they are. If they were in Iraq, they'd be dead. It's too bad that they're too stupid to realize that. Unfortunately, stupidity's not a crime in the United States.

Fourthly, and what irritates me the most: most of these fools were probably flying American flags after September 11, swearing that they supported the war against terrorism. And now that we're in another conflict, they want to wimp out, jumping behind their "war is bad" barrier.

Next: They cite that US soldiers are going to be killed. No duh. But US soldiers willingly acknowledged that threat when they joined the military. Basically, I believe that if you're not in the military or the spouse/sibling/parent of one, you should shut up and let the military do their job.

Also: these people want to practice a policy of appeasement. Appeasement gave us Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Finally: they claim to be the voices of moralism. That's a rough claim to make when you're flying this traitorous banner.

In conclusion: it doesn't matter if you support the war or not, the United States is in the conflict now. Sit down, shut up, and give the troops the support that they deserve; after all, they're risking their lives so that morons such as these can continue to openly express their ignorance. In short: these people make me sick. I shake with rage every time I see them marching in the streets, claiming to be the moral right. I've gone horse yelling at them.

We definently need to re-evalutate the education systems if dangerous stupids like these are out on the streets.

I wonder what they'd say if someone carried a sign calling for the cops to shoot to kill them. Have you noticed that people like this wrap themselves in the Bill of Rights if you only criticize them? They don't seem to mind wasting the money and time of the city employees they require to keep them from rioting, but if someone released a bioterror weapon in SF during one of their tantrums, they'd be screaming about their rights.
What if find so weird is that when they go out and demonstrate, they think that government is supposed to drop everything and obey them. When it doesn't, they complain that this isn't a democracy. I wonder how many of them vote, or how many of them could make a coherent, let alone cogent, argument for their views.

Fine, let them have their free speech, but when they carry stuff like this, I wouldn't blame the cops for averting their eyes when some veteran took them and their sign apart with a baseball bat. If he got arrested, I'd recommend a presidential pardon.

I don't know about the USSR, but these are anarchists, not communists.
It is true though that this is precisely the same crowd that moaned the death of Stalin.
Apparently Anarchism is the new black for looney leftists.

I don't know what evidence or even anecdotal evidence exists that would support your theory.

I do know, however, than in Germany the most vocal anti-war crowd are the same crowd that started the demonstrations in East Germany in 1989 and whose political organizations were illegal in the east.

So it doesn't seem to me that there is such a strong sympathy for Stalinism among the anti-war crowd as such.

Could this be what they mean? Nah...

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Iraq

March 22, 2003

Conscripts shoot their own officers rather than fight
From Tom Newton Dunn with 40 Commando near al-Faw, southern Iraq

IRAQI conscripts shot their own officers in the chest yesterday to avoid a fruitless fight over the oil terminals at al-Faw. British soldiers from 40 Commando’s Charlie Company found a bunker full of the dead officers, with spent shells from an AK47 rifle around them.

The press should never give these few a voice

This could be one of those people who try to frame the peaceful people... When the ski mask involved, there will be 2 sids of the story.

"Yeah, other than Communism, Facism, Slavery, and Marxism, War Solves Nothing!" Send these idiots to Iraq if they love it so much..

These guys probably thought Hitler was a good guy too. "My country, right or wrong..but my country!" Get the HELL out people!

Fucking ass holes like this wearing "Yellow" stripes down their backs, should take these signs and themselves and stand in front of the gates of Baghdad, so they can stand and be counted. Lets see if they ever get a chance to see the fucking bullets and cannons taking off their fucking heads, and little marbles they call balls, not to mention their little boy clits. Fuck you -- you mother fucking yellow cocksucking cowards.

Ignorance is not bliss...it is sad. They think they are smart, but are shallow...they do not have enough to do except complain...they would not have the nerve to do this in front of anyone in a uniform...heck they don't have the nerve to literally show their face.

The Constitution is the greatest document in the world. The 1st Amendment garrantees the right of Free Speech, etc. etc. etc. But these guys have crossed the line. President Bush made a promise to defend the American people after 9/11 and he chose to take out Saaddam rather than having another 9/11 in this country. France, Germany, etc are not the targets WE are. The 'proof' they want is another 9/11 in this country. Our president said .. no more 9/11 and he is doing something about it. It is refreshing to have a president with a backbone!!!

These folks with the UGLY sign deserve to be deported, period, end of statement... They are not Americans. For those who protest the War... okay, fine, you made your statement in accordance with the 1st Amendment ... NOW SHUT THE HELL UP and SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY!!! OR Pack your bags and get the hell out ... Delta is ready when you are. I believe France is accepting applications for citizenship. You do not deserve to be citizens of this Great Country.

Yesterday, in Pioneer Courthouse Square in downtown Portland Oregon, (Berkeley of the North) I proudly carried my American flag for 5 & 1/2 hours.
If the fine young men and women of the US military are voluntarily going to put themselves in harm's way, it is the least I can do.
I put up with a few (okay, several) of the "useless idiots" during that time; I noticed a few key things to be true:
1) when they are not able to hold their point on the basis of facts, they will inevitably change the subject to shift the focus away from their losing effort.
2) when I point out to them that they are changing the subject, they inevitably become indignant and either:
a)attack me personally (you just have no feelings, you are a "hater/ redneck/racist") or:
b)change the subject to focus on an isolated, emotion laden issue (you're saying it's ok to do this in your name?... haven't you gone to the website? go to the website check it out there's photo's of women and children with their heads blown off!)
3) they refuse to see the patent illogic in escalating their campaign for "peace" to destroying property (you won't do what I am whining at you to do, so I am going to break something that doesn't belong to me, and not offer to pay for it!)
4)they see the US as the ONLY source for evil and immmoral actions and actors in the "world theatre"...and the only bad actors are Republican Presidents and "wealthy corporate oppressors".
Democratic Presidents can do no wrong, because... because - gee they MEAN well, dammit! They, and they alone have good moral intentions and never do anything for money.
One of these pukes was waving his u.n. rag/flag in my face. I went to spit in it's general direction, and he went after my "Old Glory", telling me "You keep your hands off me bitch - you went 'hands-on' first...I'll drop your bitch ass!"
Give me credit - I did not immediately summarily snap his f***g neck. I just looked at him and said "How the hell did I go 'hands on' first when I'm standing here with BOTH hands on my flagpole?! I only spit at that ugly blue rag, but if you TOUCH my flag I WILL break you in half! If you think youare man enough - "
He kept spewing nonsense about "one world, one people, one government...so I got a few folks around me to drown out his lunacy by chanting "many nations, many people..." over and over.
They just fail to accept that our country is governed by the constitution, not the u.n. charter!

I wonder if these ba...ds like what that Mu..im creep did in the 101st tent, throwing those grenades?

Did it occur to you guys that they are exercising their rights to be heard. Not everyone considers bombing little kids liberation and when you have buffoons threatening to go over to San Francisco with baseball bats, it makes sense for some people to wear a mask. A lot don't as a matter of fact. If you big talks all have such big balls, why don't you go with your baseball bat to one of the antiwar rallies, and strut your stuff like you do behind the safety of your little monitors? Thought so.

We, the Unsanitarians, are now amongst you. Far more of us than you think. We will making ourselves known by doing uhoh on the sidewalks.

Brave New Fads

Hello #106. Join me if you dare! I am going to be at another PRO-TROOP rally here in Portland, OR - Sunday March 30. (I stuck around and faced up to the "anti" morons hours after the other hardworking, decent, and respectable folks like me left, - the "antis" were NO challenge whatever...)
I do not need a baseball bat to take care of light work such as the likes of you - either physically or intellectually. I will tie half my brain behind my back just to make it fair.
It is clear to me that your brain has suffered some sort of chemical attack already, or you would not blather such nonsense about "bombing little kids" and thereby expose your staggering ignorance. You probably still think it is "about oil"...
There is one clear reason those putrid pieces of human debris wear masks - to keep from being identified, arrested, and held responsible for the acts of vandalism they commit. Somewhat symbolic of the entirety of their pathetic lives - spent avoiding personal responsibility, accountability and respectability.

Just out of curiousity, does anybody know the legal definition of self defense? If I get harassed by these lovely individuals, I am curious what qualifies as being assaulted?

As I said big talkers. Come to San Francisco with your bats and big mouths and lets's see how brave you are. I didn't ask for invitations to your little hell holes. You have problems with us in San Francisco, come settle like men. Talking big on Little Green Fairies or whatever the hell this place is called is not impressive to those of us fighting against a war we don't support waged by an idiot we didn't elect.

#110: GROW THE HELL UP!!! Gore lost...end of conversation. And your comments about that just go to show what your ilk is all about...anti-American and anti-Bush. You people are crossing over a line that the 70% who support this President and this war find utterly disgusting. So, I'd be careful about inviting people to "face you".

Gee, quivering here. You don't like our freedom of speech, move on. I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-American idiots who swallow a connection between Saddam and Osama that not one intelligence agency in the world has been able to prove. End of conversation. And duh, anti-Bush. I prefer Presidents who can make sense without a teleprompter. So carry on threatening losers. Your heroism behind a monitor at LGFairies is so impressive!

This is unacceptable behavior when our military is protecting our rights which include free speach. I think that this has crossed the line of decancy, and perhaps the law. I personally think these people should be arrested for trying to encourage murder. It is not free speach to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre. It is not free speach to encourage a revolt in our military!

I would like to thank the protesters of the USA for supporting me in this war, your continuing support of my glorioius regime in this time of illegal aggression by the USA is greatly appreciated. With your moral support I will be able to continue my rule of Iraq: and hopefully your protests can end this unjust war and the unjust UN sanctions that are preventing me from importing new supplies of chemical weapons and torture chamber equipment. Also, our Iraqi olympic athletes would also like to thank you for your peace protest efforts, at least they WOULD thank you if I hadn't tortured and killed them for losing.

Sincerely,

Saddam Hussien

(ps: you are still american infidel scum, but thanks anyway)

I would like to thank the gung ho war mongers of the USA for atacking Saddam Hussein in this war. Your continuing support of my terrorist recruiting campaign in this time of global revulsion of the USA is greatly appreciated. With your moral hypocrisy I will be able to continue my disruption of the United States economy and its sense of well being: and hopefully your war can end the lives of innocent people and the unjust UN sanctions that you've made meaningless by ignoring the will of its members. Thanks for exporting supplies of chemical weapons and torture chamber equipment like the electric chairs you have in Florida. Also, your detained, innocent Arab-American citizens would also like to thank you for your aggressive war efforts, at least they WOULD thank you if you hadn't detained them without anyone knowing or a right to an attorney.

Sincerely,

Osama bin Laden

This disgusting garbage is NOT representative of the vast majority of people who object to America's aggression against Iraq. I wholeheartedly suport our troops, and feel that they must finish the job, though they should not have been put in there to begin with. I pray that there are no more casualties, and that the war ends quickly.

I further support the right of the protesters in the photo above to carry the sign--that is to say, that the government should not prohibit it in any way. However, I support the right of nongovernmental agents (i.e. regular people) to beat the crap out of these particular protesters.

I too believe in freedom of speech, but to use it to abuse the country that GAVE you that freedom is a shocking example of biting the hand that feeds you.

If it's ok for them to publicly advocate the murder of American officers, it must be ok for me to say it's a damn shame there aren't some REAL Americans in San Francisco who would give these aliens the physical whipping they so richly deserve.

Yet again, the brightsparks advocate the rejection of what they perceive as violence with violence. The mind boggles.

All I can say is this. Those officers are soldiers that have to follow orders whose origin go right up to President Bush. Those officers have families that would like to see their safe return.

These people are wanting those people to be killed. This would/could explain the one person covering his face. Fear of reprisal and not enough conviction to stand by his statement. Protesting is one thing. Advocating the injuring/killing of others is another.

I am not for censorship but in this case ...i'd make the exception. Legally, I think this is a threat ... and not only that it is inciting violence.

Another Shining example of the Masses of anti war protestors I have seen (Though I acknowledge there are SOME that can intelligently carry on a conversation)

Though I have to wonder how these people would feel and act if someone had a sign there stating "We support our officers when they shoot the protestors" How long before I come out of my coma from being beaten (If I lived) ??

crencha gringo te colgaremos.
tus orejas te cortaremos
y a tus huestes se las daremos...

(canción de guerra aymara)

¡kausachun la libertad, wañunchun bush!

so that people know, while sf indymedia certainly has leftist politics, it's an all volunteer news organization. people from anywhere post pictures and news and the like, so the views that come in over the newswire are not necessarily those of the website itself. it's called open publishing people. read up.

as for the sign itself, my simplistic impression is that the people who made this banner understand politics in the real world. modern capitalism is a struggle for power, with a relatively small elite controlling the great majority through a complex web of co-optation, force, carrot-and-stick measure, and trickery. the non-violent demonstrators will only get so far before the power structure says no more and clamps down hard. ghandi and mlk jr. won...what now? they apparently won the right to be held up as heroes for people that forget about all the political violence that took place in India and US, respectively, during the periods in which those two lived.

officers are bureacrats, with hierarchies set up so that the mainly poor and working class people who join the army mostly to get money for a college education are kept in line and don't realize that they're being duped. rich people don't fight wars on the ground. they use public relations companies to convince us to fight and die for them. that's fucked up, plain and simple.

rjj

MESSAGE TO PROTESTER:

IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING THE RACE RIOTS OF THE 1960'S HAVE TAPERED DOWN A BIT, LEAVING TROOPS AS WELL AS POLICE OFFICERS FREE FROM OUR PAST LEADERS' BIGOTED INFLUENCE!

POINT BEING, CATCH UP WITH THE TIMES AND FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY YOU FREAK'N MORON! A LITTLE RESEARCH PAL, THAT'S ALL YA NEED.

these people are most likely anarchists.
anarchists are unaffiliated- that is to say, they reject stalinists and marxist front-group like ANSWER, dictators like saddam hussein and george bush.

anarchists want to abolish capitalism and the state because they believe that capitalism and the state are responsible for many, if not all, of the world's problems.
anarchists maintain an idealistic belief in the potential for human beings to cooperate with each other and form democratic communities. in many ways, anarchists are extreme believers in democracy- democracy meaning participation in decisions that affect our lives.

the threat of anarchism is now much greater than the threat of communism. as one poster already noted, 'anarchism is the new black of the left.'

anarchists wear black and mask their faces in order to provide anonymity on the streets. police officers often take pictures and film protesters. the 'black bloc' is not an actual organization- there are no members or leaders - but a street-protest TACTIC. those who participate in black blocs are usually willing to defend themselves against police aggression, damage private property deemed symbolic of capitalist hegemony, and in general, break laws as they see fit. the anarchist does not believe in legality.

the anarchist does not believe that petitions, voting, peace rallies, and non-violent action alone will acheive the desired ends: peace, justice, and democracy. that is why the anarchist resorts to 'direct action'

hope that clears up some misconceptions about WHO is actually out there in the streets, behind the masks.

Shoot a protestor, make the world safe for your children.

Ha ha! The more americans are sent home in body bags, the better. More american deaths means that future war by this imperialist fascist power will be averted.

Forget letting the soldiers beat the crap out of these protestors when they return home, I am a 115 lb, 25-year old spouse of an Army captain currently deployed and I would do just as good of a job if I could get my hands on some of these idiots!

Those that join the military join it to serve our country and to serve the American people. Its makes no difference if our soldiers are called to fight against Saddam or if they are called to help protect disgusting protestors like those in this picture - they follow the commands of their commander-in-chief. No, our president is not perfect, but he is the president and we have to respect that. Who knows how much intelligence is out there about this war that none of us will ever know about? That being said, my husband fully believes that this war is justified. He has helped train the Free Iraqi Forces and he knows first-hand what the Iraqi people have gone through. Some of these free Iraqis have been living in the US since leaving the Iraq, but they are willing to leave their lives of luxury and safety here in the US to help free their families and friends back in Iraq. So who ever said that there had to be evidence that linked Saddam to Osama bin Laden for this war to be justified? I think the testimonies of Iraqi people and the hell that they have lived in is enough in itself. Not to mention the evidence of weapons that this guy has. I just can't believe that after 9/11 we have people in this country that think we can just sit here in our nice perfect county minding our own business and expect no one to bother us. Wake up!

And, excuse me, but I don't think the use of an electric chair to kill a murderer (whether you agree with it or not) is any comparison to having law-abiding citizens and children tortured, killed and raped by their leaders for no good reason. If leftists are really so concerned about people's rights like they claim to be, then isn't it pure hypocrisy for them to protest this war and especially to condone soldiers murdering their superiors?

Hey Devil's Advocate, read #103. Delta is ready when you are. I hereby revoke you American Citizenship .. you do not deserve to be a citizen of this great country. You have gone beyond the First Amendment. The solution is simple for you ... pack your bags and get out!!! Need help, let me know.

Re: #115
Hey Osama buddy,
Methinks you've been hiding out in your cave for too long. Florida no longer uses "Old Sparky" - we switched over to lethal injection a few years ago. 'Tis a pity, would have like to see you and your buddy Saddam fry in agony.

(Please ignore my inablity to spell.) This is not the general sentament of the mass of the current anti-war movement. We have said time and time again that we do suport our troops and that we want them home. A large percentage of us actually have family in the miliatry. We have made our protests into seas of yellow ribbons or flowers in support. I've seen large numbers of American and even Britsh flags waved and waved proudly at anti-war protests. The problem, though, with any movment that enbraces the idea of alowing desent even in its own protests is that sometimes you end up with some really inarticulate loons who are able to co-opt your soap box to say some very stupid things. I really do think that this was little more then a expreshion of frustration over this war, but I shouldn't apologize for them. I don't agree with the sentament and I know for absoulute point of fact that the vast majority of the anti-war movement does not as well.

Sorry. To continue. The reason that man is wearing a ski mask is because he belives the government is keeping a file on him. He may or may not be wanted for anything. Some people belive in useing illigal non-vilent action, but it is the belife of a lot of the ski mask people that the government is just keeping tabs on them no matter what, and so they are not comfortable showing their face at a protest at all. I'm suprized at the level of violence expressed here. I would have thought you guys would want to take the high road. Atomic Conspiracy's sugestion would seem to be out of keeping with everything this country stands for. Just because you or I don't agree with wants being said doesnt mean that they don't have a right to say it. (Even if they are stupid.) I hope he does not consider me a totalitarian troll, because I'm not. His statment would seem to lend itself to totalitarianisum. There is no Consititutial provishion aganst the incitement of mutiny and homicide either. Sad as that may seem it is something that makes this country great. It is the mutiny and homicide, not the speach that is illigal. Protesting in the streets is one of this contrys greatest traditions without which. . . this contry itself could not exist. Like it or lothe it, this country is built on people blocking streets, destroying and vandilizing property, inciting mutiny and homicide, and sabotaging military facilities. Read the writings of Thomas Paine. What was Common Sence if not an incitment to mutiny? I don't condone inciting homicide (mutiny prehaps, if non-vilolent) and or assalt, and I can tell you that no one on my side does, with the exception of the hand full of loons who pepper our protests like an irritation you'd like to sneeze out. We do not fight for Saddam. We fight aganst the illigal and immoral actions of our government. Better then can be said for our founding fathers, who fought only aganst the immoral actions of their rulers. We never did ask to be taken serously, and as for your words. . . that's all they are. Words. Incorrect words. The real word for what we are is. . . revolutionarys. The whole world is collapsing under the weight of Bush's illigal imperalistic tactics. The world is becoming a more dangerous place for you and me because of it. And all you can do is call me a troll. I'm. . . hurt?

#37 JLawson

That UK Indymedia thread is entertaining.

A lot of deluded fools arguing about whether to smash up british fighter planes with hammers, with occasional interlopers interrupting to taunt them.

I particularly enjoyed:

Thank you Ulla
by Captain Baghdad 4:26am Mon Mar 17 '03

Dear Ulla,

On behalf of the great empire of Iraq and our leader the great and faultless Sadam Hussein we would like to thank you for your selfless and heroic deeds. You will be awarded the medal of Alah for your actions.

The initiative you show pleases us greatly and your actions just may assist us in killing an infidel American or satanic British soldier. Should you wish to assist us further in our war against the great Satan, please feel free to contact us directly for the details of your next mission.

Death to America!

Gratefully yours,

Captain Baghdad

Trevor Stanley.

You confuse their intentions. This war is illigal. Killing Sadam is little more then a silver lining on a very dark cloud.

My brother is a staff sargeant in the Marines. These militant anti-war protesters want to kill my brother. They really are sick S.O.Bs. Not all anti-war protesters are, but these militant ones are.