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MSA President at ClearGuidance

Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 8:13:55 am PST

I just dropped in at clear guidance, the site run by an anonymous blogger who calls him/herself “clear” and monitors discussions at the ClearGuidance Islamic forum—the site that bills itself as “the Resource Guide for Muslim Teenagers” but is actually home to a scary gang of radical, bloody-minded Islamozoids who fantasize about murder, trade mujahadeen stories, watch snuff films, and engage in some of the ugliest racist dialog on the internet. It’s a very disturbing place, made more so by the juxtaposition of the mundane concerns of marginally Westernized teenagers with the virulent rhetoric of jihad. And these charming fifth column kidz are living among us, right here in the US.

Last week “clear” published a series of messages by a would-be jihadi with the handle “El-Masri,” in which he expresses his admiration for the Nazis and his desire to fight for Hizb'Allah, and as you’ll read below, urges American Muslims in the armed forces to commit sabotage.

According to “clear,” “El-Masri” is Ahmed Eissa, a computer science major from Egypt and president of the Muslim Students’ Association of Grand Valley State University in Michigan, as he reveals in this post advising another MSA member how to proselytize for Islam on his campus:

El-Masri
Junior Member

Brother
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: U S of A
Posts: 58
Asalamu Alikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatu,

I'm the president of our university's MSA, and I can relate! But the problem here is that, besides the small number of Muslims on campus, Muslims are both lazy and ignorant about Islam. And there's this Muslim guy I know (I'm quite positive he's a Muslim) who comes from Morocco, and one time I went to his apartment and he had a whiskey bottle on his desk, and always slips away from me when I tell him I'm heading to the Jumaah Prayer which alhamdulilah we're now holding on campus.

May Allah guide them all to the Straight Path of His.

Here's some things we've done and are doing this semester:
- Held a Ramadan Dinner "Breakfast" on campus, inviting media and other people to raise their awareness of both Ramadan and fasting.

- Featured an "Islam Awareness Week" that featured Muslim imaams and a Muslim convert.

- Hold some kind of sale (cookie, whatever) and hand out pamphlets as well as show a movie about Islam in a spot on campus that has a lot of people walking by. Try to feature a movie about Islam at the same time (The Message is always a good choice!)

- Create an attractive website on the school's server that ONLY speaks about Islam, that's important! Don't try to compare Islam with Christianity, or point out the contradictions in the Bible and so on. Just give the beautiful picture of Islam. Period.

- Hold weekly meetings with interested non-Muslims where you talk about Islam, etc. It's important that you put flyers around campus on bulletin boards to announce your room's location (if you don't have a room reserved for your MSA, get one!), your website's address, e-mail (get one for MSA if not by now!). It's better to print the flyers on bright paper (preferably yellow) as it was proven sceintifically that it attracts a lot of attention.

- Invite speakers from around the states (there's Sheikh Yusef Estes, a Muslim convert who used to be a Christain PREACHER that we're hoping we can get here!).

I hope that will get your MSA more active, but then it all depends on the size of your MSA.

Barak Allah Feekum, Wa Jazaku Allah Khairan.

Wa Asalamu Alikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatu.

Cookie sales, movies, attractive websites, what’s not to like? The same sort of activities any campus organization engages in, right?

El-Masri
Junior Member

Brother
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: U S of A
Posts: 58
quote:
Originally posted by JihadOnline
And the Nazi/zionist Jews In Palestine and the ones that Control America wont shed a tear.

I don't think we should call the Zionists Nazis, because that would just make them proud. After all, they did rule all 95% of Europe and Northern Africa at one time. It's like calling a homeless beggar a CEO or something like that!

Plus the fact that I'm proud of the Nazis!

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03-17-2003 08:24 PM

El-Masri
Junior Member

Brother
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: U S of A
Posts: 58
quote:
Originally posted by Abu Ubaidallah
Learn how to make a bomb out of C4 plastic, and when your on the ship on your to the middle east....*BOOM*

Or better yet, re-wire the missiles that are stacked on the ship and watch the 4th of July in the middle of the ocean!

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03-16-2003 08:12 AM

El-Masri
Junior Member

Brother
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: U S of A
Posts: 58
Asalamu Alikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatu,

I always thought (and still think) it's a great idea to join the US ground forces for a simple reason: they're all getting shipped off to the Middle East for FREE! So, you go there, free, with US equipment and weapons, yada yada yada, then when you get there, you change sides and fight the kufar! After changing your uniform of course! And while you're at it, you can sabotage some of their stuff from the inside!

Aaah, just some thoughts that are coming to my mind!

Wa Asalamu Alikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatu.

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03-16-2003 07:59 AM

Outright sedition, from a campus Muslim leader; another obvious glaring sign that the infiltration of radical Islamists into US society is much farther along than anyone wants to believe or admit. The sheer incompetence is almost funny, though; even as he advocates murder and treason, he signs his posts “Big Brother is Watching You!”

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1 Nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:20:10am

Looks like you have monday's lead story for GVMSU's school paper practically written for them already - I wonder if any LGF readers are students there and can see to it that this gets the attention it deserves.

2 JG  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:22:12am

What good would it do if the USA wasn't outraged and quaking with fear by the arrest of the Florida University professor?

Unfortunately, they're using OUR freedom of speech to DESTROY US!

How can we TURN THE TABLES?

JG

3 godlesscapitalist  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:24:53am

jesus christ. i wonder how many of them are really like this...arrgh. What to do, what to do?

i want to say: DEPORT THE MOTHERFUCKER NOW...but he's probably an American citizen.

Are other immigrant groups any where near as traitorous like this? Hindus? Jews? Buddhists? Eastern Europeans? Koreans? Japanese? Chinese? (well, maybe *some* of the PRC Chinese, but not all of them)

Ok. Now, not all Muslims are like this...the question is how many. Seems to me that the only way to deal with this is to come up with a way to screen for people likely to be sympathetic to radical, anti-American flavors of Islam. We need to know what fraction of American Muslims think like this, because unlike other embittered minorities (black Panthers, neo-Nazis, radical leftists), these guys can credibly collaborate with foreign terrorists to commit *mass* murder, rather than isolated incidents.

But how to screen for these people if they aren't immigrants, but children of immigrants? I guess we'll just have to revive the scrutiny that we applied to communist groups and redirect it towards the radical Islamists. I hope that's what our intelligence agencies are doing. Charles - might be a good idea to report this to the FBI, if you haven't already done so.

4 Warthog  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:29:53am

I have become dismayed at the apparent complaceny of the general public and the reticence of the FBI et al to smack people like this, particularly when the animus is coming from an academic setting.

I am not discouraged, however. Most of us are Jacksonians whether we know or not. The live and let live tradition is very strong and folks like this will be provided plenty of room to be "different." We'll know when the time has come whether or not the "dissenters" are really something more than that.

5 nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:30:44am

I wonder if this second guy isn't the club's advisor?

Sources:
Ahmed Eissa, msa@student.gvsu.edu

James Goode, history professor and head of Grand Valley's Middle Eastern Studies program, (616) 331-3184

Wonder if anyone has called to ask him about his pal's hobbies?

6 scott down south  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:30:53am

Here's my message to these hatemongers/terrorists here in the US: I am not scared of you, and never will be. The true American spirit does not allow it. So do your worst. Some may die, then you and your fellow misguided 'believers' will be caught , one at a time if need be. Your cancer on society will be eradicted.

And on an emotional note: Fuck You

7 nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:32:05am

Sorry, the stuff i pasted above came from GVSU's website - a story about the formation of the muslim student association. I think he may have written teh article.

8 nikolakis  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:35:00am

the little f***** turd! Why don't you stick up the C4 up your ass? Worthless piece of sh*t. My blood starts to BOIL!

9 Melissa  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:35:57am

Just to expand on #3's comments a bit. Why is it that Jewish Americans are always blasted with the dual loyalties charge while Muslim Americans must never, ever be questioned about this? I also agree that this should be more widely publicized in the maintstream media. However, I will not be holding in any oxygen on that one.

10 nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:38:06am

Grand Valley State News and information:

For Immediate Release
November 08, 2002
Attention: Editors/Assignments
Contact Brian J. Bowe
(616) 331-2221

11 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:42:28am

OT: Just in case anyone missed it, let me offer once again to send pictures of the Atlanta Rally for America to anyone interested. Please inquire via email.

You can see a half-dozen of them over here.

As for the "American" seditious Muslims, Daniel Pipes told us so!

12 nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:45:05am

The student newspaper homepage:

[Link: gvnow.gvsu.edu...]

they can be contacted at boweb@gvsu.edu

13 Jay  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:45:42am

Contact for the GVSU Official Student Newspaper

Just incase anyone wants to send the editor of the newspaper a lovely link and information about one of their students. Just being helpful...

14 HotBrownSandwich  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:46:17am

# 4 Warthog

Some good news

Ashcroft expands FBI arrest powers

15 T. Jefferson  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:46:33am
16 Big Dog  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:48:01am

Hmm...it might be worthwhile to send this to his school's Student Government Association; this kind of thing could make his organization lose recognition and subsequently funding. I'll bet the student government would be very interested to know what their student fees dollars are going towards.

17 Jay  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:48:56am

#12's link is to the gvNOW, which is part of the administration's PR and Media Resources, so they won't do a story on one of their students and his likely need to be either deported or investigated.

18 rockman  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:53:18am

It' is time to dust off the sedition laws and apply them vigorously to those who advocate the violent overthrow of the US govenment or sabotage during a time of war. It should be deportation or jail for them, whichever is appropriate. I don't understand why this should even be controversial.

19 godlesscapitalist  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:54:37am

#9 Melissa:

Yeah, this is something I've been thinking about as well. I think that Muslims in the US are far more vulnerable to the "dual loyalty" charge than Jews...though "dual" implies that there is some modicum of loyalty to the United States of America.

Seems to me that one thing in common among all the people charging Jews with dual loyalty is a tendency to underestimate the hostility of radical Islam for the United States...they honestly believe that the Muslims *only* hate the Jews, and want to offer them as lambs to the slaughter as appeasement. They do not understand the extent to which the enemies of the US overlap with those of Israel.

(Of course, if the US ever *did* cut off aid to Israel, the chains of self-restraint would come off and Israel would kick ass, take names, and possibly nuke people/transfer the Palestinians...which is not what the appeasers had in mind...)

20 Brian  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:57:56am

We can take heart that the first e-mail mantions a guy more interested in good old American bourbon than in jihad. US culture doesn't naturally tend one toward fanaticism, and that's why they hate it. Great Satan = temptation, don't you know.

21 say it like it is  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:58:15am

So, has anyone reported this to the FBI?

22 James Taranto is my lovechild  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:58:33am

unholy crap.

Take that statement: "contradictions in the Bible"-- and lay it aside his later comments about encouraging treason and sedition by joining the army and killing your semper fi kufari. Break your vow, and betray hate and murder.


I'll take the "contradictory" Bible or TANAK over his stinking bloody qu'ran anyday, since it leads him to haram like that!!!

But I guess the qu'ran isn't contradictory when it calls Miriam sister of Moses the mother of Jesus, although they are centuries apart.
And I guess it isn't contradictory when it calls itself peaceful, loving, and merciful and creates justification for every bloodyminded level of travesty and deceit, abominations of murder and polygamy and treachery!


"Many will come in my name, but do not be deceived." Jesus, clearly speaking of Muhammed.


Esa Akbar!! Esa Akbar!! Esa Akbar!! Esa Akbar!! Esa Akbar!!

23 Charles  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:58:57am

The FBI is very aware of ClearGuidance.

24 nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:59:48am

Looks like new GVSU president Mark J. Murray's e-mail box will be full tommorow:

You may contact President Murray at
Grand Valley State University
1 Campus Drive
Allendale, MI 49401-9403
616.331.2182
email: president@gvsu.edu

25 Charles  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:00:10am

...at least, as aware as they are about anything. Which is questionable.

26 Lyn Thomas  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:05:43am

Guys, you're just feeding the troll, and he hasn't even posted here. Moslem student in the US hates the US and thinks the Zionist Jew Pigs control the country. How is this a surprise to anyone here?

27 McKay  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:08:05am

Scott Simon on NPR this morning:
"Today there was furious reaction to the war in Arab states around the nation, I mean the world."

Here in Southeast Michigan, that slip doesn't seem too far from the truth. We're expecting sharia to be instituted any day now... by popular vote!

28 nordic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:08:49am

Just e-mailed this article to Mark J. Murray under the heading:

Lakers love Nazi's?

I feel sorry for the guy, he is going to catch a lot of crap from many directions as he tries to deal with this.

AND HE DAMN WELL BETTER DEAL WITH IT!

School paper probably won't run an article and I'm not sure the local paper would either.

I wonder if there is a local radio station morning show that would like to hear about this. Sometimes they are the only ones willing to touch a story like this.

29 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:11:25am

#15

Chretien's view of the USA

That reminds me of that story in the American Spectator several years ago, about Canada's cozying up to Castro's Cuba. Chretien was quoted in conversation, "I like to stand up to the Americans. It's popular...But you have to be careful because they're our friends."

30 James Taranto is my lovechild  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:14:24am

May I suggest you all email this to every talk show, every PBS station, every local news tip, every editorial page and senior editor, until something sticks.

Just sent it to OReilly and Michael Medved.

Maybe Drudge?

31 Teacake  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:14:26am

This goes on at virtually every college and university campus across America. Islamic groups (petro bucks) give huge donations to the schools, which in the bargin includes middle east study depts. Maybe it's time that American campuses say no to Middle East studies.. . "Studies," LOLOLOL.

Unfortunately, our constitution protects fifth column trojan horses.

32 James Taranto is my lovechild  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:20:03am

Just sent it to all my state representatives, now for Michigan's....

33 Angie Schultz  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:22:02am

James Goode is the advisor of the MSA, according to this page.

And from this article, he may not take complaints very seriously. It's an article on campus reaction to 9/11, written on 9/13.


"To retaliate only will lead us into an endless cycle of retaliations," Goode said. "How do we break the cycle?"

Goode talked of sentiments in other countries that the United States has been a bully, acted callous, and some people believe the U.S. has a double standard in its foreign policy.


This bit is toward the end of the article. There's more.

(Scroll up for a more sensible view from Social Sciences Dean Jonathan White.)

34 heretic  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:22:45am

It's so hard to take these Muslim students seriously, because they are *so* stupid. You read in the ME newspapers about the students they are sending to the US for an education, and then when you glimpse these students from this end, it always turns out that they're going to Lower Podunk Community College ... and if they have dropped out and overstayed and are working, it's as the assistant manager of a pizza parlor.

The abysmal success rate of these Muslim "students" is eye-opening. But then, each individual snowflake in and of itself is has no IQ and is harmless -- but if there are enough of them (Muslim breeding practices) they can create a lethal avalanche.

35 justdanny  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:04:23am

sent it to
fbi tips
michigan fbi
county police
state police

call my silly if you want but even if they do already have this info, nothing wrong with duplication

36 bugler  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:20:07am

Get Bill O'reilly on the case.

37 x  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:27:01am

x

38 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:46:38am
OT: Just in case anyone missed it, let me offer once again to send pictures of the Atlanta Rally for America to anyone interested. Please inquire via email.

My email is synapsid-at-hotmail-dot-com, sorry

39 Ranbutan  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:51:41am

The sort of posts that even gives pro-open USA borders people pause.

Smile at your handiwork in action you....

1. Republican Richest 1% "more illegals, more Saudi dollars = more profits" types

2. Liberal Dems seeking to pander the 3rd World voters they hope will come here in masses and resurrect the Liberal Dems with their Islamist and Marxist ideas.

3. You Libertarians (cheaper labor wages allows cheaper goods).

4. "Emma Lazarus type 'Give us your wretched refuse'" Jews instrumental in opening America's borders to mass immigration and the Muslim waves fleeing their teeming shores to HATE us here.

5. "Can't get enough new illegals to replenish our Parish" Catholics.

6. And the "More Muslims the Better" milksop academics and Ministers.

40 patriot  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 9:06:54am

This fool should be shipped back to Egypt.

41 zulubaby  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 9:12:15am
This fool should be shipped back to Egypt.

And maybe he can pick up Arafat on his way.

42 Robert Crawford  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 10:27:43am

Jesus, Ranbuchanan hates everyone.

43 Caton  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 10:43:55am

#42 Robert Crawford

Yeah, but does he hate everybody equally?

44 ray  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 10:48:52am

"The American Civil Liberties Union said the Ashcroft order will further the impression among many US Muslims and Arab-Americans that the government is singling them out."

I hope they are getting that impression, because we are and for very good reason.

At least, I hope we are.

45 zulubaby  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 10:53:42am

Please do not allow Ranbutan to derail yet another thread into Jews Defending Their Right To Exist.

46 MLJulia  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:09:38am

Charles, quite some time ago I emailed you a front page story on the WSJ about a Muslim cleric in the NY prison system who was preaching the jihad to prisoners for 20 years. They finally got wise.

[Link: www.senate.gov...]Senator Charles Schumer

God knows how many other prison systems have the same set up.

The enemy has been among us for quite some time.

shalom.

Julia

47 Ranbutan  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:22:33am

Crawford - You confuse hatred with disgust for those highly influential pressure groups that have pushed massive immigration to the detriment of their constituency groups. 80% of the American public wants us to regain control over the borders and the flood of 3rd Worlders arriving....same number as has roughly existed for 10 years, even pre-9/11 but nothing gets done.....because the powerful interests WANT it.

You could add in the Black Congressional Caucus...firmly pro-immigration despite the fact that the "fellow brothers of color" they want in are lowering black wages and in some cases completely displacing black people from jobs they once dominated in certain industries.

Some pressure groups truly do benefit from immigration...like liberal Dems...but only in the short term because 30 million Mex immigrants with dual citizenship and dual loyalties between the US and Mexico don't truly benefit the liberal Dems philosophy.

The two groups that are really slitting their throats are the Republicans and the Jews. Republicans, who want immigrants that vote 85-15 Dem over Republican, because they or their fatcat donors get to lower wages while charging the same for their product, thus pocketing the differential less the cash envelopes passed to the politicians. The Jews know contend with 3 million Muslims now here from the Ummah, with 10,000 more a month coming in, and with full conversion efforts happening on college campuses, prisons, and minority communities....The Muslims here have one single biggest cause that they go after with fervor.... neutralizing Jewish ME influence. The "Emma Lazarus type"Jews were worried that another St Louis never happen again. So they became "open immigration" which has had the effect of permitting the equivalent of 4,000 St Louis's to dock in America and disgorge their virulently anti-Zionist Muslim contents.

48 Anant  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:26:55am

#34 Heretic:

I wouldn't be so quick to discount all Muslims students in this country as stupid. I'm an MIT alum, and let me tell you that there are some really friggin' smart Arab/Muslim foreigners there. Of course, the vast majority of them are perfectly decent people, but every now and then you come across one of the crazies, and it's pretty shocking.

The really scary thing about these people is how good they are at hiding their virulent hatred of non-Muslims. If you looked at them, or spoke with them, or hung out with them (as I have), you'd think they were the nicest people in the world. But then you start to read some of the stuff that goes over their MSA or Pakistani or Arab mailing lists, and it's really frightening, and you realize that the guy who was sitting next to you this morning in class might be the guy who wants you dead because you are Hindu (or Jewish, or Christian, or whatever)

49 steve miller  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:01:32pm

If only there were a /killfile filter for some of our guests' comments...

sigh

50 Al Virtual  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:20:31pm

Why wonder at the Muslim extremist and racial hatred seeping in and out of American Universities? Each and every US Univ. has an Islamic Studies chair in the name of Prince This or Sheikh That.

In Saudi Arabia and other "moderate" Islamic countries one would be summarily shot for "missionarism" just for giving a Bible to a Muslim, let alone create a "Christian Studies" chair in the name of G.W. Bush or the Pope at the King Faisal University (or whatever their University of Terror is called).

Then wonder why there is a Muslim fifth column penetrating the US and generally all the Western democratic countries.

51 MarkJ  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:53:48pm

I want these people out of the country NOW. I finally understand why there was a "red scare" in the 1950s. These enemies are dangerous and they need to be deported if they are not citizens and watched closely if they are citizens. (And someone find out how scum like this is getting citizenship.)

52 Vast Jewish Conspiracy  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:57:20pm

Interesting quote from the blog:

"Isn't it disgusting that only 100 or so Mujahideen went to Iraq to defend that Muslim country from all over the Arab world? Where are the thousands of the Mujahideen that should've been flooding into Iraq?"

This, coming from someone who's at his computer, enjoying the fruits of Western society.

The hypocricy works on so many different levels.

53 Vast Jewish Conspiracy  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:03:32pm

#51 says:

"I finally understand why there was a "red scare" in the 1950s."

I've been thinking ... Joseph McCarthy was an uncouth drunk, a slob, a megalomaniac ... and yet, he was on the right side of history. It's not a witch hunt if there are actually witches in your midst (e.g., Alger Hiss).

We condemn Sen. McCarthy for his tactics and odious personality without stopping to consider that he was speaking out against repression and gulags and death. I don't know if we should elevate him to "hero" status, but I don't think we should necessarily consign him to the dustbin of history either.

54 amnah  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:18:26pm

I e-mailed the MSA and the college earlier and just received an IM from EKSimpson2002 who was rather upset. Using very un-Islamic language (I was called a female dog!), I was accused of slander and libel and assured that the police would soon be knocking on my door.

My e-mail to them had only suggested that they check out Ahmed Eissa and his posts at ClearGuidance. Some people just can't take any criticism.

EKSimpson2002 seems to believe that Ahmed was a "victim" of identity theft.

In these trying times of terror and sabotage anything is possible. Poor, poor Ahmed.

55 Chris  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:23:43pm

Sorry if I'm late to this point, but isn't it at least vaguely ironic that he works through one paragraph with "yada yada yada," which, if memory serves, was popularized on Seinfeld? You know, with Jewish characters?

Just wondering.

56 gbfireman  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 4:06:37pm

Apparently one of our peaceful followers of Allah listened to this a-hole.

Sky News has reported that an American soldier is being questioned in connection to the attack on the 101st Airborne command tent at camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait. It appears that the individual is a Muslim American. Go figure.

57 Libertarian Uber Alles  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 5:15:46pm

hell richest 1% have a right to exist!

fing punks...

what about small business? shares profits with employees? we just do big contracts really freaking well...

other companies in industry run at 3 times more staff... we have 1 bookkeeper making 300k (250 in profit share)...

I really hate class warriors! Cause i did it myself, and well, i don't like theives or murderers...

ranbuchanan, take your buchananite ass over to israel ben gurion and tell the security guards there how much you hate the jews!

also, i'm sure none of your ancestors immigrated...

i've got a multi refugee family tree, but i'm sure all your relatives were on the mayflower or are native americans

asshat

58 Ranbutan  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 5:49:13pm

#57 Libertarian..enjoy the millions of new Muslims on top of the ones seeking to hunt your brothers down overseas or on campuses here, for starters. With the equivalent of 120 boatload equivalents of the St Louis arriving every year disgorging fanatical anti-Semites, plus the equivalent of 60 St Louis boatloads of mostly black Americans converting.....

Enjoy the bed you have made with your "Come on in" Libertarian and Emma Lazarus Jewish "give me your wretched refuse" ways.

Enjoy all those noble Islamists soon to be all over your neighborhood. Their first question will be" Where is the nearest Mosque"

Their second question will be "Where is the nearest aid office".

Their 3rd question will be..."Just curious...but where is the nearest synogogue or plave where large numbers of Zionists congregate?"

Again, pretty much you made your Muslim bed and the mess - which you have to deal with first as larger America's canaries. It took 9/11 to sway larger society that Muslims were a problem. It will take direct Muslim assaults on American Jews to get the Jews off their Buchananite, Buchananite!! High Horse and get serious about restricting the "Open Borders" approach that politically active Jews have held sacred for anyone wishing to flee or immigrate from a very messed up country (1/2 billion from the Ummah, for example)

59 zulubaby  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 6:07:49pm

Libertarian Uber Alles (#57)

Please don't respond to Ranbutan's bullshit. He's baiting, is all. We've been through a thousand times by now. You're just adding fuel to the fire by responding to him.

Ranbutan, you know I love you, but please shut up already with your crap.

60 Make-Sense-Of-It  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:14:51pm

BUSH-NORQUIST REGIME IS SOFT ON THE MSA

Apparently, the Abrahamite-oligarchy has pressured the DOJ to cover up the role of Saudi financing in the Idaho-Connection arrests. The accused jihadi - Sami al-Hussayen - IS President of the MSA-UI.

[Link: www.webs.uidaho.edu...]
[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]
[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

The DOJ claims that the MSA guy posted advocacy of use of civilian airplanes against military targets.

[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

Apparently, because of the partnership of the MSA-ISNA with the Republican Party, al-Hussayen was given security clearance to participate in interent security work for the DOD. He is up for his Phd. in May, and since his arrest his large following has been promoting his release (a release order was signed by a Federal Court judge, but rescinded). The terrorist is an expert in "wireless communication" and has published several papers on the subject.

In Charles Johnson's post above there is a mention of an American convert to the Arab murder cult (islam). That pile of pig-shit runs an American based website for King Fahd's subversive "Holyland Foundation" (al-Haramain) which is named in the 9-11 lawsuit, for funding of al-Qaeda.

[Link: www.islamtomorrow.net...]

That animal's website links to that of a rehabilitated Wahabi terrorist (jailed with Sheik al-Hawali from 1994-1999), which takes one directly to al-Haramain, an organization which was once directed by Wahabi #1, ibn Baz (women-can't-drive/the-universe-revolves-around-th e-earth).

[Link: www.islamtoday.net...]

Al-Oudah (or al-Awdah) and al-Hawali were linked by the DOJ to the Idaho-Connection. Yet their khutbah and fatwa is Wahabi paid work product.

The MSA is using the current American government's Muslim friendly agenda, as a means for promoting jihad ends. They are well aware that the Bush government has unintentionally subsidized the advance of jihad in Pakistan. When Bush-Norquist allow this vermin to get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons, the American Muslim Terror Archipelago will go into final-jihad stage:

[Link: www.jamaat.org...]

61 W.  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:37:41pm

The GVSU student paper is at [Link: www.lanthorn.com...]

62 Nobody  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 5:01:24am

Domain Name: CLEARGUIDANCE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Halal Flowers
Abu Hidayaah
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US
718-912-8734
maktabah_alsalafiyah@yahoo.com

63 Ahmed Eissa  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 7:00:41pm

Well, I've finally found a place to talk to those who are attacking me personally, attacking MSA secondly, and attacking Islam in general. Like I've mentioned to the only single hate mail that I've received after all that clearguidance stuff surfaced about a week ago, I've been set up big time. I don't know who did it, or how they started it and why me, but it's a fact now, and I have to defend myself.

Apparently, someone with a lot of knowledge about our MSA (i.e. goes to my school) decided to start this up. And what comes next is what I assume: they get on clearguidance, sign up with a name that really means "the Egyptian" in arabic, types up real hatred and extremist stuff that could get anybody into big trouble with the press or school, etc., with a link to our MSA's website. And with mentioning that he/she is the president of MSA, that only leads to one person. Me. All that is done with the knowledge that clearguidance has been watched closely by many parties, whether governmental or amateurish.

However, what that person failed to realize is that I've stopped being the president for MSA at the start of this semester, beacuse it was never written in any of my e-mails that have definitely been hacked into, and was never typed in any of the instant messages that I've took part in every now and then, but was only spoken between me and the rest of the MSA members.

So, the [Link: clearguidance.blogspot.com...] takes all that information into its own site, and makes its own conclusions, and just makes it a little public for a whole week to this day, and I only find out about all that offensive stuff over the weekend, a little too late and unable to change any course. And without providing an e-mail or any contact information on their website, I find myself helpless in correcting those false accusations, which have been condemned severely on my part and on MSA's part.

And now I find that I'm a little late with more than 60 posts that took place here in less than 48 hours, but nevertheless it's never too late to put a halting stop to all of this nonsense and blind accusations. And I also hope it's not too late in trying to shed some light over this grave matter.

64 zulubaby  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 7:45:01pm

Ahmed Eissa (#63)

If what you write is in fact true, then I am sorry that this has happened to you. You should take it up with the moderator at Clear Guidance.

65 Ahmed Eissa  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 8:00:00pm

I can't! That account (El-Masri) doesn't exist any longer, and in fact I tried to contact the moderator about it, but they told me it never existed in the first place, which started to put question marks around the blogspot site that first featured all of those accusations and finger-pointing.

I've already contacted the president of my school over the weekend, requesting help on this matter, and haven't heard from him yet. But the clear intention of this is clear: to either bring MSA down, or bring me down, or both, none of which I want to take place. That is also why we've placed our own strong-worded condemnation, on our [Link: www2.gvsu.edu...] website in a vain hope of changing the strong current of events that are taking place.

66 zulubaby  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 8:13:22pm

Ahmed Eissa (#65)

I have no idea how Clear Guidance works or how to contact the moderator, so I don't know what to suggest in order to help you. Clear Guidance is a cesspool and I don't blame you for being upset that you've been associated with that site. There are some truly sick people that post there. I hope you manage to clear this up.

67 Skeptic  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 11:17:26pm

1. There's now more collected messages from El-Masri at clearguidance.blogspot.com. The person who wrote the messages had knowledge of Egypt and computer programming.

2. The GVSU MSA site accuses clearguidance.blogspot.com of being a "conspiracy" - and says that the messages never appeared at CG. But the person who wrote that page was apparently quite familiar with CG.

3. The El-Masri messages most definitely did come from ClearGuidance site.

4. As seen at clearguidance.blogspot.com, El-Masri wrote a message on CG expressing distress at the fact that clearguidance.blogspot.com had published "his" messages.

5. If Ahmed Eissa stopped being president of the MSA at the beginning of the semester (ie. January - even though the MSA started in November), the MSA site didn't note the new president.

6. If it's really the case that there was a new president in January, then it's likely that he wrote the messages on CG. Is he also Egyptian with a knowledge of computer programming?

68 Charles  Sun, Mar 23, 2003 11:20:08pm

Ahmed Eissa: so you're saying that it's a conspiracy against you? Are you denying that the messages in question were ever posted at ClearGuidance?

You are aware of what goes on at ClearGuidance, aren't you?

Since there is a note on those messages saying the IP was recorded, it should be easy to prove it wasn't you.

69 Christina Jewitt  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 5:35:36am

I don't think we should listen to this bulls*it and assume that it's right. I actually go to Grand Valley and I have visited the MSA last semester when they had meetings and seminars. I have met personaly w/ Eissa and talked about their organization.

HE IS NOT THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WOULD
DO OR THINK ABOUT SUCH THINGS.

The organization was established "according to them"
look at the consititution section on their website at
[Link: www2.gvsu.edu...] it was meant to promote
GOOD relationships between muslims and non.

So for me to witness something like that in person
and see these postings on the web that have no
f*cken bases to them,, it's pathetic.

You need not to assume facts and go further to get
your own facts.. For those that wrote to officals to
declare this as a fact, you need to email those officials
back and mention that it's not a fact and if they need
to publish it, they'll have to double check and
make sure it happened.

This is why they hate the fuck of us. because we
make them look like shit by our ignorance and
shallowness.

For eissa and any other offended by these postings,,
i apologize on behave of the true americans. And
may "god" bless us all.

70 Christina Jewitt  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 5:40:40am

one more thing,

according to clearguidance,, a user can't simply
delete his message nor his account whenever he
wants. it has to be done by emailing the mod.
and I personally checked by emailing
maktabah_alsalafiyah@yahoo.com and checked
on the matter. That account never existed according
to the reply and they're working on publishing a
notice upon request..

poor eissa, as mentioned before

71 Sunny Sheeah  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 6:20:03am

"Christina Jewitt" ?!?!

72 Charles  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 6:25:06am

"Christina Jewitt": who do you think you're fooling? You put up a very passionate defense, but then leave no contact information? What's your real name? It's obvious from your comments that English is not your first language.

Clear Guidance is not some ordinary discussion board, and you cannot trust anything told to you by the owner. It's a site run by jihadis. CG has been thrown off one server after another, as web hosts become aware of the content of that disgusting place, and they keep finding new web hosts every few months.

You are either ignorant of this, or you are lying.

73 Christina Jewitt  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 10:20:57am

there is a reason i keep my email private so that people like you don't get a hold of it and abuse you childlish fools. Think before you post and don't assume facts.

74 Caton  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 10:26:36am

#73 whoever

Don't assume facts, indeed. I suggest you follow your own suggestion. That, or go stand in front of a D-9.

75 Black_Flag  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 12:13:23pm

#11: thanks for showing those images, I live near Atlanta and only saw the peaceterrorist march on the news. I was delivering some shock and awe on the local wild turkey population and didnt think it prudent to show up downtown dreessed in camos with a truck full of guns 0_o

Hey, do you know why eco-terrorists are more adamantely against fur than leather?

Because it's easier to harrass old women that it is biker gangs......your first image reminded me of that.


oh and the student? Big talk for a child, I bet the welps are still on his hands where his momma jerked tha apron strings away.

76 Black_Flag  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 12:22:44pm

#69:
"This is why they hate the fuck of us. because we
make them look like shit by our ignorance and
shallowness."

No, I am not ignorant, neither am I shallow.

They hate the fuck out of "us" (us who?) because they are ignorant and intolerant of others.

And what is your relation to this person/group? Other than attending the same college?

I have news, any entity making domestic terrorist attacks in the US will not find an unarmed populace. Review the Second Amendment for details.

77 Black_Flag  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 12:42:43pm

Ahmed:
you state:
"Like I've mentioned to the only single hate mail that I've received after all that clearguidance stuff surfaced about a week ago, I've been set up big time."

Please, keep us posted on the outcome of your efforts to defend your good name against the person who falsely brought all this upon you.

I would very much like to find that you and your organization are not "typical" muslim extremists who hate the USA and its people. You are obviously in America, taking advantage of the educational opportunities available here. I would hate to believe that you would preach the destruction of the very nation who's benefits you currently reap.

comments? enlighten me.

78 Investigations of a Dog  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 12:58:53pm

OT (sort of)...
The religion of peace seems to be breaking out on a new front.

24 Hindus shot dead in Kashmir

79 JLawson  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 2:50:26pm

Umm, Ahmed Eissa?

There are a number of bbs programs which show the TOTAL number of posts by a particular user. So the '58' you're saying is proof of a 'conspiracy' isn't a valid bit of information. For example, on Club XM (for sat. radio), the number of posts on a person's identification is the TOTAL number of posts - not just how many times the user posted up to that message. It's cumulative, not sequential.

You may have been hacked, but I don't find that particular rebuttal very convincing. I find it hard to believe you didn't realize that.

Good luck on clearing your name.

J.

80 JLawson  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 2:59:07pm

If it deserves clearing, that is.

J.

81 Bill  Mon, Mar 24, 2003 4:53:04pm

Charles, great observation about "Christina Jewit''s" poor command of the English language...this person clearly isn't an American. it's probably a lame effort by Ahmed Eissa or one of his fellow jihadis to obfuscate the truth.

I recognize that not all Muslims are like this, but Eissa's rebuttal strikes me as incredibly weak and not very persuasive.


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