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Soda, Pizza and the Destruction of America

Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 1:30:05 pm PST

Speaking of the Muslim Student Association, here’s a scary article by a Jewish student who infiltrated a closed (meaning: Muslims only) MSA meeting at Queensborough Community College in New York, to hear speakers from Al-Muhajiroun call for the destruction of America.

"Because there is no way to justify this war," Yousuf said, "we must find a solution." He then introduced Brother Faheed to explain just what that solution is.

Faheed immediately declared that there is an outright conspiracy against Islam by Christians and Jews, and that as Muslims, "we must not recognize any government authority, or any authority at all besides Allah."

"We are not Americans," he shouted. "We are Muslims. [The U.S.] is going to deport and attack us! It is us vs. them! Truth against falsehood! The colonizers and masters against the oppressed, and we will burn down the master's house!"

Faheed argued that it is against the Koran for Muslims to protest the American government because that would constitute unfaithfully recognizing the authority of a non-Muslim country.

"We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order. Don't lobby Congress or protest because we don't recognize Congress! The only relationship you should have with America is to topple it!"

Faheed explained that those in attendance should also reject the authority of secular Muslim states such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, "which have been bought out by America ... Mushariff gets $60 Million a month to betray and arrest us."

Faheed said the war against Iraq would be "felt in America," and that U.S. Muslims would soon be in danger and should prepare themselves for a battle with the American people.

I was particularly concerned when he indicated his support for terrorist organizations.

"The so-called terrorists are the only people who truly fear Allah. Since everyone fears the worldly things that Allah controls, they therefore fear these Islamic organizations [which have been labeled terrorist organizations]. We must join with these organizations. They are the only worthy causes, and the mighty superpower only fears them."

That seemed the main thrust of his presentation – that the proper Muslim response to an American war with Iraq should not be intellectual or to protest against the government, but to join "appropriate" Muslim organizations and prepare for some sort of physical confrontation with America.

Faheed explained that the U.S. is "not strong. Vietnam, they lost. Somalia, they ran away from. America hasn't won anything since World War II. We can defeat America."

"Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah."
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1 ray  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:34:29am

The FBI knows about this, right?

2 Ray  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:35:33am

They do. But they're probably afraid to act on this alone, b/c they'd be accused of "racial profiling."

(another Ray, not the first Ray)

3 hans ze beeman  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:37:34am

Freedom and security have always excluded themselves. More freedom = less security and vice versa. There are perfectly secure states, but they were constructed by Orwell.

4 Narniaman  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:39:52am

When was the last time a Moslem nation defeated anyone other than another Moslem nation?

These losers, one on one, wouldn't be a worthy opponent for even a boy scout troop. The only way they can achieve any success is to cut the throats of airline stewardesses and fly airplanes into buildings.

But to be able to do that, they have to have the element of surprise.

And they don't have that anymore.

5 niall  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:40:40am

As an unindicted coconspirator in this evil zionist plot to make Muslims adhere to constitutional law while in the United States, I'd just like to add a few more fights that we didn't win since WWII:

Gulf War 1
Bosnia
Kosovo
Grenada
Panama

Oh and I almost forgot

Afghanistan!

6 Bob Sacamano  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:43:50am

Korean War
Cold War

7 Mike Silverman  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:46:53am

I liked the part where he bragged that one day a Muslim would be in the White House...reminded me of Hitler bragging his reich would last 1,000 years!

8 Minstrel  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:48:13am

Mheh. First guy that tells me to put on a burka in this country gets decked.

9 Caton  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:50:36am

#8 Minstrel

Bad idea. You'd hurt your hands. Get a weapon instead.

10 George  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:53:25am

Narniaman - you're forgetting the French defeat in Algeria. Remember first rule of Muslim/Italian/Russian/German/English/Dutch/Spanis h/Vietnamese/Esquimeaux warfare: "We can always beat the French."

11 grendel  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:53:29am

America hasn't won anything since World War II. We can defeat America.

and #5 niall 3/22/2003 01:40PM PST


we will shortly add another...

12 Sgt. Mom  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:54:34am

A Muslim in the White House, instituting sharia? When f**king Hell F**king freezes over!

13 grendel  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 11:56:59am


OT: but a human shield's iraqi field trip turned out to be more educational than expected...

[Link: www.upi.com...]

A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video

They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler.

Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.

hopefully this video will get out into the mainstream media.

14 dsmith  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:02:31pm

Stay armed. If these idiots every act out their psychosis on mass, it will be a great day to go hunting.

15 Sean  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:05:47pm
hopefully this video will get out into the mainstream media.

Rrriiiiiiiiiight. FoxNews maybe.

16 Insufficiently Sensitive  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:07:46pm

Cheers for the bloke who infiltrated the meeting. Hope that the gummint gets some really effective intelligence going worldwide (it will, won't it?), but more power to motivated individuals like this infiltrator who can make the minutes of the meeting public.

He seems to be an honest observer. But a good healthy skepticism had better be maintained with articles like this, because dishonest testimony is really good at stirring up murderous feelings against the ones the testimony is against.

17 Scooter  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:09:51pm

Not sure if anyone's interested in this, but the college's head of publicity can be reached at: JKenney@qcc.cuny.edu

The President of the College at: EMarti@qcc.cuny.edu

Odds are that the MSA is supported financially by the College... QCC probably won't do anything except sidestep every question, but it couldn't hurt to send a little email could it?

18 niall  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:12:24pm

Boy doesn't that sound like a call for the violent overthrow of the United States government? Last I heard that was not covered by free speech...

19 Darleen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:19:04pm

There is nothing like the hothouse of contemporary American Universities to fete and grow radicalism like this. Mecha, too, is active on campuses and their "news" site, La Voz de Aztlan is a study of hate, anti-American, anti-Semite. These whackjobs have even attacked the people in La Habra who dared protested the trashing of the 9/11 memorial...all white bigots, you know.

On Tuesday, our publisher Hector Carreon, stopped by the makeshift memorial in the morning to take a news report. He had to leave because of the belligerence exhibited by the people who are now hanging out at the corner day and night. In the late afternoon of the same day there was a troublesome incident involving 19 year old Fullerton College student Jennifer Quintana. She apparently angered the mob who gather there with her anti-war position because they physically "jumped her" and held her there. The mob said they conducted a "citizen's arrest". They later called La Habra Police Department and accused her of "assaulting" the bigot Tracey Chandler. The police arrested Jennifer Quintana Tuesday evening and did not release her until the morning of Wednesday. She now faces assault charges at the North Orange County Court in Fullerton. La Habra Police has refused to release Jennifer Quintana's contact information because they say they fear further retaliations against her. The real reason may be that they do not want Jennifer Quintana to speak to independent news services such as La Voz de Aztlan.

The hate-site has such enlightening articles such as:

Zionist Army Continues Slaughtering Palestinians

Latinos - historical victims of Jewish Hollywood stereotypes! Jewish T.V. Producer Angers Latinos Over "Kingpin" Series

Mel Gibson earns the wrath of Jewish Hollywood
and the Jewish Media

Chief Bratton's visit to Israel points to dire danger for the L.A. Mexican-American Community/New LAPD Chief Bratton in Israel for 6 Days

This group bills themselves as the government IN EXILE of Alta California. Pre 9/11 I just considered them rather crackpot, but now, why shouldn't we investigate?

20 Warthog  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:23:10pm

It's probably reasonable to believe that kind of seditious talk goes on within every Wahabi related organization. Considering that almost all the mosques and all the Muslim student organizations in the USA are Wahabi funded this is a brewing cauldron.

When Bush critics complain that the Iraq War will destabilize the region they are exactly correct. That's the whole purpose because the present state of stability of Iran, Syria, Yemen and Saudi Arabia are not acceptable to US interests.

The mere presence of 250,000 victorious English speaking troops in the middle of that cesspool will start the ball rolling both internally and abroad. We will certaily deal successfully and with no small degree of finality with any challenge that will arise.

21 Glen Wishard  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:27:43pm
"Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah."

Before that day comes, I'll be running a tourist attraction in Mecca, charging overweight Germans $50 each to "kiss the Muslim Blarney Stone".

22 Kirk  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:30:35pm

The roaches are running. When the citizens of that area see the despots being killed or hiding in fear those citizens might stage an uprising against their government. I wonder if the evil house of saud is afraid? I wonder if the mullahs and ayatollallahs (sp) are getting worried. This could be the beginning of the end for several repressive governments.

23 GulGnu  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:30:58pm

The BBC is reporting that US forces are just under 100 miles from Baghdad now...

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

24 Cyrus  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:31:00pm

I worry far more about the Aztlan people than the MSA. Muslims are, by their nature, cowards, not all chicanos are. However, both do have the weakness of oppressing woman. And yet both get strong support from Lib womens groups. Are woman out to destroy themselves?

25 Eric  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:38:18pm
"Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah."

Eventually meaning when hell freezes over.

26 Iron Fist  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:38:37pm

"Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah."


Two points:

1) All you non-Islamonazi Muslims out there, it is time to get off your ass and start condemning this shit. NOW. Tomorrow is too late. If your fellow Muslims who preach this shit become the "Face of Islam" to the average American (and they rapidly are, celebrating Iraqis notwithstanding), we may very well wind up amending the Constitution to exclude Islam from the First Amendment (or doing so by Supreme Court decision). Death cults dedicated to the overthrow of America and the enslavement of its citizenry don't deserve any protection. And that is becoming the perception of what Islam is, no matter what the President says (or, for that matter, what the teachings of Islam really are. We judge actions not words).

2) This guy just articulated why no Muslim will be elected President in any of our lifetimes. The American people are already highly suspicious of our Muslim neighbors. I would be troubled if Muslims tried to set up a mosque near my home. I probably wouldn't try to stop it, but I probably would buy a couple of hundred more rounds of 00 buck (heavy 12 gauge shotgun round, for those who are unfamiliar with the terminology). And a 37mm Flare launcher. I’ve wanted one of those for a while anyway.

Yeah, we Americans are so soft. Especially here in the South. Most of us don’t have more than half a dozen guns apiece ;-P

27 del  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:40:09pm

That talk at QCC had a little stronger language than the talk i went to almost 2 years ago sponsored by the MSA at SUNY Stony Brook, but the basic message was the same: America as an illegitimate occupier of what was (by their perverted version of history) and will be muslim i.e. the USA.

Administrators at many Universities don't want to even know about this sort of thing. they only want ROP photo ops hugging members of the MSA for the college newspaper.

Perhaps not every member of any MSA agrees with brother faheed, but more than a few do, from what i saw.

28 Eric  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:40:59pm

Minstrel said:

First guy that tells me to put on a burka in this country gets decked.

What, you don't wanna play "Thankful oppressed woman and Brave Liberating Marine?" :-)

Darn, and here I hoped...

29 Robert Crawford  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:41:18pm
Before that day comes, I'll be running a tourist attraction in Mecca, charging overweight Germans $50 each to "kiss the Muslim Blarney Stone".

Don't forget charging $10 each for overweight Americans to press their butt cheeks against it.

You might want to schedule the tours at different times.

30 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:41:58pm

There is nothing new here, they said and did the same stuff in the late 70's early 80's on college campuses, and american taxpayers paid for that as well.

The only difference here, is that since 9/11 SOME people are listening to those speaking out on the dangers, before that, people just told you go sit in the corner, quietly and put on your little tin hat.

When they blew up the american base in Lebanon, the UofM Palis went out into the street and were dancing for joy, just like on 9/11. Who did University of Minnesota campus police come to threaten? why those of us who went out to do something about the palestinian assholes. Muslim militants have had a good 25 years to embed themselves in America and sow their seeds of evil.

Ahhh- yess, gotta love that mlti-culturalism.

31 Darleen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:42:34pm

#24 Cyrus

I believe you must be thinking of leftist women's group, who use their "equal rights for women" mantra as a figleaf for the true core beliefs...extreme leftist thought. And as there are "no enemies on the Left" anyone in even the remotely 'underdog' position of being anti-Western or Anti-American gets their support.

Equity feminists doen't labor under this delusion. We feel abusive patriarchy or misogyny wherever it tosses the burqa on half the population or holds female children down and slices off their clitori with shards of glass.

32 Robert Crawford  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:42:51pm
America as an illegitimate occupier of what was (by their perverted version of history) and will be muslim i.e. the USA.

Huh? I'd love to know how they get that.

33 Yehudit  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:44:05pm

Somewhat related: This Muslim journalist inflitrated extremist Muslim groups in France, and now has a price on his head.

34 GulGnu  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:47:48pm

Gotta love this one too:

"At a news conference, an American reporter asked when Mr. Hussein would be making another address on the war to the Iraqi people.

"Next!" the information minister, Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf, said sharply, beckoning to another reporter for a new question.

Moments later, another reporter tried again. Had the minister seen Mr. Hussein in person at any time in the last few days?

"Next! Next!" Mr. Sahhaf replied, still more testily, then demanded: "Please ask something reasonable."

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

35 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 12:52:41pm

#19 Darleen

Hmm, most people are not aware of how much and for how long Mexicans have hated "anglos"-

if you do a search on PBS.org for "zoot suit" you will find a nice little documentary on how, during WW2, the mexicans of LA would jump and beat up American servicemen returning to their bases from leave in LA-

watching the program, I was amazed at the open hatred expressed by the Mexicans. It reached a point were servicemen could not get to and from LA with any degree of safety. In self defence, servicemen from as far away as Arizona finally came, and with others from california, went on a bing of retaliation in the Mexican neighborhoods, of course PBS spun this "white bigotry" but even for them it was a stretch. Most of the californians (read anglos) were mystified as to why these people hadn't joined the military in the first place, instead, they got jobs along side the "rosie riveters" and mugged servicemen on weekends.

Inflamatory? maybe, historically true none the less. But lets let another 30 million into the country.

36 BigFire  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:01:18pm

Re: #33

Good article. Mr. Sifaoui is indeed a brave soul. Lets hope that we finish Al Qaeda before they find him.

37 gb  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:03:36pm

#32

I've run across several versions, one being that muslims were Columbus' navigators, therefore muslims 'discovered' the Americas making them part of the waqf.

gb

38 del  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:03:41pm

#32, Robert Crawford,

Well... the mullah i listened to explicitly described native americans (i.e. "indians") as muslims. Its a fantasy, but there are actually tracts about this idiocy. I remember finding some of them on islamicity.com and i saw an ebay seller peddling similiar nonsense. some of it is based upon the presence of a few muslims brought over by spanish colonizers in Florida, Carolinas who mixed in with the local natives in the 17th century. Here is a link to a short piece by a self-claimed native american muslim:
[Link: www.islamworld.net...]

39 Darleen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:04:16pm

#35 Robert

A bit more complicated than that. I was born and raised in LA. My father, too, who actually grew up in places like Boyle Heights and East LA (he jokes he was 8 y/o before he realized he was "white"). One encounters bigotry on all sides of the melanin debate.

Many many Latinos are very proud Americans. One of the two Marines killed in combat in Iraq is Jose Guitierrez, 22, from Los Angeles.

What is unfortunate and scary is the non-assimilation Mexicans, those souls too much like Aryan Brotherhood types so lacking in their own life that "the other" must be behind their suffering and nirvana is just a bloody revolution away. "Race" is the easiest thing to seize on.

What's ironic is that until "white" invasion of the New World, there was no such thing as a "Latino" or "Hispanic" race!

40 Studsup  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:04:31pm

Time for our Federal, State and Local governments to root the Islamic bastards out, kill them as the circumstances warrant and deport them when they don't. Grant that terrorist POS his wish. The ACLU aren't nearly as dangerous. Time for Bush to stop pretending Islam is a Religion of Peace. It is religion of hatred, intolerance and death. The talk about "moderate Muslims" is dishonest propaganda -- you can count them all on one hand.

41 Model4  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:05:49pm

I'm starting to think the feds should have an arrangement with Bill O'Reilly (if they don't already).

Mon a.m.:
feds: Hey Bill, you're gonna be disgusted with this campus group we've infiltrated. We've got all the evidence we need to take 'em down, but, well, you know...
Bill: Say no more. You have some incidents and guests I can use?
feds: And how. Should be great for ratings. Enjoy!

Tues:
Bill: Thank you for joining us and making our show #1. Tonight, The Factor has uncovered disturbing reports of a radical Islamic group operating at Mullenblanc U. Even worse, the college is financing the group and the FBI has done nothing about it! Nothing! Now I've contacted the feds and the university to come on the Factor and explain this, but they're hiding under there desks. With us tonight is Mullenblanc student Stu L. Pigeon, who has attended some of this groups' meetings and brought some of their literature along. What say you, Mr. Pidgeon?

Weds:
Bill: And now our viewer mail. A lot of you are outraged that our government has refused to protect us from a jihadi group operating on American soil while we're fighting a war on terror...

Fri afternoon:
perp-walk

Fri evening:
Bill: Well, it looks like The Factor was right all along, as the FBI has finally taken action on the story we broke for you on Tuesday. If you ask me, President Bush has got to start tightening our borders and making our law enforcement agencies more responsive and more accountable. But the good news: This afternoon a raid took place...

Fri night:
Miller time!

42 Lively  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:09:36pm

#38 del : Well... the mullah i listened to explicitly described native americans (i.e. "indians") as muslims

That's funny, the Mormons say the Jews were the original Native Americans (indians) that came to settle the land.

43 Cleveland Chris  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:09:44pm

#34 GulGnu

Is this press conference based on an article you have seen somewhere or just wishful thinking?

44 db  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:16:57pm

#35 Robert

Zoot Suit? Interesting. Years ago I saw a movie (I think it was called something like "American Me") about a Latino gang, life in prison,etc.

The opening line was something like "Zoot Suit, new suit" then went into scenes showing those riots.

45 Nathaniel Harari  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:17:03pm

You're all missing the big picture and the main point here...

Those servicemen being beaten up by Latinos in World War II, those Muslim students planning to overthrow the government, the extremism out there, the fact that Cortes conquered the Aztecs, the Russian Revolution, the Slave Trade, the Great Depression, World War I, World War II, The Gulf War, the war in the Congo, the Cold War, Apartheid, the supression of women in the Muslim world, the beheading of Jewish reporters...

...all this is because of Palestine, you see. We all have to understand the "root cause" of terrorism, don't you all agree? If Jews would only go away, the world would be a much better place, right?

I mean, why don't they just come out and say it?

Oops! I forgot: they actually do. :)

And some people still don't believe their true "root causes". Ha!


Nat Harari.

46 gb  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:18:11pm

I recently watched a TV special regarding the work of a geneticist who traced a particular gene sequence from central Africa, through Asia, the Artic, and into the US southwest. He postulated that the crossing of the Bering Sea coincided with the last ice age.

But what the hell, that's just science.

gb

47 Darleen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:18:38pm

#42

yes, the Lost Tribes of Israel.

48 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:23:19pm

#39 Darleen-

I'll agree with you there, but as a friend of mine from columbia puts it-
Ther are "Latinos and there are latinos" and what he means by this is that there are many many groups now that are called "latino' and "non-white hispanics" who are just about anything. South of the border, a "latino" is someone of mostly Spanish discent- the more the better in their view and the ruling classes in all "latin-american" countries reflect this.

That being said, his point is that most if not all of the "latino" "hispanics" comming here nowadays have absolutley no interest in becoming "amerians" in the traditional sense of the word - they are here to "get theirs".

We are building a 3rd world society here, if you think anything different can come from the open border policy currently in place you are sadly mistaken. I have "mine" - I fear not for myself or even my great great grandchildren, what I do fear is an end to America as my father knew it.

49 kathyn  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:31:02pm

#42. Actually the Mormons believe that some of the original native Americans are descended from the tribe of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) and not the tribe of Judah.

Now back on topic...how come these groups are able to call for the destruction of the US; isn't that sedition? I hope the FBI is getting involved here.

50 Outsider  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:34:35pm

Ha! you thought it is just America that they should "rightfully own"?

Wrong! It's the MOON too!

51 Brenda  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:35:06pm

Never underestimate the mathematical power of immoderate immigration practices in combination with cultures with high birthrates -- populations can change very rapidly. People have forgotten that there were relatively few Mexicans in California around 1950, but liberal immigration policies starting in 1965 plus large families have been successful in waging demographic warfare: the state will likely be majority Hispanic in less than 20 years.

Check out this animated map of LA County...

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Don't think that it can't happen with Muslims in this country either. France now is 20% Muslim (according to former Morocco ambassador Marc Ginsberg on Fox News the other day) due to just the same factors. It is crazy to keep importing people who love terrorism and want to kill us, but PC thinking has infected the brains at the top. It was recently announced that fewer visas were being handed out to people from terror-supporting nations, but why are ANY?

52 ploome  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:38:33pm

#50 Outsider....

they are so FKN INSANEEEEEEEEEEE

53 Frank IMC  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:41:25pm

South of the border, a "latino" is someone of mostly Spanish descent- the more the better in their view and the ruling classes in all "latin-american" countries reflect this.

Watch a typical show on a Spanish TV network - the actors are all light-skinned; the few dark skinned ones are almost always in menial roles.

54 Jheka  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:41:52pm

Ugh ... only blocks from where I grew up. Blech!! I think it's time we dusted off the laws against treason and sedition and started to actually enforce them. Just a thought.

55 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:43:15pm

#46-

I saw that as well. My first hole to be punched in their theory is this.

Central asia stands at a cross roads, gentic (racial) mixing was bound to happen.

Next flaw - If the central asians who migrated to upper siberia and thence to alaska became "native americans" essentially, their physical make up being that of asian descent, short (to maintain heat in the cold) yet they remained "dark"- brownish if you will.

Now consider this, these same central asians also moved up into Europe and became "white men"- why, if we are told that white men became white because of the ice age up there ( has not retreated long enough to explain such a difference in physical make up between whites and eskimos) and they're lack of sunshine did they become white, and the eskimos and siberians, who are still living in a ice age, with little sun, didn't become white as well, they have both been in both places (according to that show) for around 50,000 years?

You can see my point. Science has entered a phase, prophesied by Ayn Rand, whereby they go around finding data that supports whatever their current social trend is- in this case, the cause of multi-culturalism.

Another hole in it is the recent discovery of a 13 million year old humanoid that essentialyl blew away the long held belief that one species gave way to another- they NOW believe that different species lived along side one another for extended periods of time- kinda common sense if you think about it...........

On top of all that, explain the finds of 10,000 + year old mummies in Oregon and Arizona which WERE NOT (deffinately not) native americans- the one believed to be around 45 years old with all of his teeth was obviously murdered. 45 years of age was faaar beyond the average life expectancy of Native AMerican indians in the 15th century and indeed in the 18th century - and not because of the white man, they lived short, brutish, neolithic lives that precluded longevity. can yousay around 27 years of age?

but - you wonder what else will be debunked in the near future. Aitkins diet, anyone ?

56 Steve Hall  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:44:24pm
"Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah."


Well, the college IS looking for student leadership (Get Involved!) - and it just started a "Massage Therapy" program.


Just think - a massage therapist in the White House -- it'll be just like Clinton all over again!
57 Amy  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:48:33pm

This doesn't surprise me at all. Steve Emerson also infiltrated these gatherings and taped them years ago, and nothing happened. He describes them in Jihad in America. He can't do it any more, because he has had to go into hiding. There's a price on his head.

This is not protected speech, because it constitutes incitement to violence. It was speech like this (as well as written pamphlets) which were the downfall of the Klan. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the Klan after some thugs murdered interracial couples and a Jewish dj named Alan Berg. The violence was directly tied to incitement by the Klan, and the lawsuit, which resulted in a multi-million dollar damages award, essentially bankrupted it.

If citizens are talking this way, it is sedition. And if they're giving aid to the enemies of the US, it's treason.

The Jews came here for economic opportunity (the German Jews in the mid-19th century) and to escape discrimination, persecution and grinding poverty (the Eastern European Jews from the 1880's through the 1920's or so). They understood that they were leaving their homelands behind forever. They turned their backs and looked forward to "The Golden Land" that they were coming to. They wept with gratitude when they saw the Lady in the Harbor, and they passionately adored this country, where they could be full citizens and pursue their dreams like anyone else. Their children were encouraged to be "real Americans" (albeit Jewish ones), and parents admired their children's perfect, unaccented English. Sure, many Jews brought their socialist ideas with them and were instrumental in the Labor movement, which needed reforming at that time, given child labor, 12-hour work days, horrible conditions, etc. But they wanted to make this country better, not destroy it.

What a contrast to these Muslims who hate this country, and want to destroy it and replace it with another outpost of dar al Islam. They have no interest in assimilating. They want to milk this country for everything they can get out of it and then use their knowledge against it.

I don't like treating fellow Americans with suspicion, but I can't help it in this case. The people like those quoted by the infiltrator present a clear and present danger to this country. I just hope we do something about it before it's too late.

58 Frank IMC  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:50:32pm

People have forgotten that there were relatively few Mexicans in California around 1950, but liberal immigration policies starting in 1965...

Sorry, but that's incorrect. Immigration to the US from all countries in the western hemisphere was UNRESTRICTED prior to 1965.

the state will likely be majority Hispanic in less than 20 years.

As it was 150 years ago.

59 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:51:18pm

Hmm - and now to do something very very American-

I must get dressed (black tie, tux) and take my 12 year old daughter to the "Father-Daughter Girl Scout Ball"

My daughter is very excited, and so am I.

I thank all of those vets who made THIS way of life possible.

:-)

60 RightIsRight  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:52:09pm

I just finished a few hours of reading at the Clearguidance forum. Very enlightening as to the mindset of those intent on undermining our free society.

Every once in a while a "moderate" muslim will post a comment stating how jihad should not include violence and that muslims should be tolerant of others. Then the onslaught of Bin Laden lovers "educate" the moderate on the "true teachings of the koran and sunnah". One jackass even went as far as saying that the infidels were warned of their wrong ways before 9/11, so that made the attacks legitimate in the eyes of allah (make a pile of camel dung be upon him). Here is a quote from this follower of the religion of peace:

"In Islam we have combatants and non-combatants. The mujahideen have already notified those who support the American military in any way whatsoever that they are legitimate targets, so I would hardly say that America was attacked and caught unaware on September 11, 2001."

Ah, so "notifying" innocent people makes them "legitimate targets". That's some real logic at work there.

Know thine enemy. Take some time to read up on this.

As for me, I need a shower now.

61 Darleen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:53:09pm

#48 Robert

Don't get me wrong, I'm one who believes the military should get back to patrolling our borders, and we should be deporting illegals vigorously.

The easiest way to tell, in California, a Hispanic who is American rather than waiting for the formation of Republica del Norte is to ask how he/she feels about "bilingual" education.

62 Rocky  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:55:29pm

38 and 42........thanks a whole lot.......just when I found a site that explained the whole war, I find out that I'm a muslim jew!!! Grandmother and grandfather both indian on my mothers side and my dad has german ancestory.......damn I'm confused!!! I always did like Shania Twain though, does that count? Don't know that other dude!

I found this on the UN site and read it and everything is alot clearer now.....

[Link: www.un.org...]

63 Robert Crawford  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:56:27pm

#38 -- Based on that, I could say the Indians were actually the descendants of Vikings.

#55 --

On top of all that, explain the finds of 10,000 + year old mummies in Oregon and Arizona which WERE NOT (deffinately not) native americans- the one believed to be around 45 years old with all of his teeth was obviously murdered.

Skeletons, not mummies. There's also a probable human campsite that's over 10,000 years old in South America and another in Pennsylvania.

The "murder" is speculation, based on, I believe, an arrow point embedded in his thigh.

Basically right, though: the evidence is that humans were here before the Bering Landbridge, and that population was displaced and exterminated by the "newcomers". There's no real point to trying to figure out what "race" those people belonged to, because 10,000 years has caused a lot of genetic drift for EVERYONE.

I have to say that my favorite bizarro archaeological find are the plaid-wearers from China's desert. Red-haired, wore plaids woven in a pattern similar to Celtic patterns, and the grave of a particularly wealthy women contained a peaked "witch's hat".

64 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:56:47pm

FrankIMC-

Sorry, but that's incorrect. Immigration to the US from all countries in the western hemisphere was UNRESTRICTED prior to 1965.

the state will likely be majority Hispanic in less than 20 years.

As it was 150 years ago.

WRONG SO VERY WRONG- see the "Immigration act of 1926" also read about why Americans were initially pissed off by the statue of liberty.

In 1848 the majority of Californians were white- period, although it "belonged" to Mexico, very few Mexicans lived there and Mexico didn't care about it, which is why the Spaniards living there (they were not "hispanics") wanted to break away and join America as well as the whites -

Not to mention the Russian territory in the North of California, which they just walked away from, and the Brittish held protion for fur trading.

Read some history, dude.

:-)

65 Al Virtual  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 1:59:18pm

Extremist Muslims around the world, envious of the better life their "brothers" have in the West have done a great deal in having each and every one of their "brothers" suspect in he eyes of their fellow countrymen and authorities.

Add to that the crazed Left and the idiotic Supremacists and you have a pretty picture.

FBI has its hands full and I hope that a serious cleanup will come sooner rather than later.

Unfortunately this situation is worse in UK and France. IMHO, the West is being bitten back by the proverbial snake that it breeded.

Hope it is not too late to cut the head of the snake and burn its body.

66 gymnast  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:00:03pm

I believe the Boone and Crockett Club exists for the purpose of establishing the rules and keeping of records for all types of hunting activities and is currenty pulling all nighters in an effort accomodate the emerging requirements for the newest species class, namely, Mooselim Domesticus Rabidium, and various related subspecies including Arabis Luniticus. I would like to take this opportunity to seek volenteers to assist in this truly sportsmanlike endeavor.

67 Robert Brandtjen  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:00:07pm
Skeletons, not mummies. There's also a probable human campsite that's over 10,000 years old in South America and another in Pennsylvania.

Not the two in Arizona, virtual mummies, hair intact.

68 Rocky  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:09:02pm

well, ya'll aren't any help......now I'm a viking!!!!

#66

I'll join, who would supply us, Warner Brothers?

69 gb  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:16:16pm

The point I was trying to make was that genetics has shown that ancient migrations have resulted in a very unique sequence of genes appearing on three continents and these migrations must have predated any mythology derived from religion.

70 Caton  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:22:59pm

#66 gymnast

I believe the Boone and Crockett Club exists for the purpose of establishing the rules and keeping of records for all types of hunting activities and is currenty pulling all nighters in an effort accomodate the emerging requirements for the newest species class, namely, Mooselim Domesticus Rabidium, and various related subspecies including Arabis Luniticus. I would like to take this opportunity to seek volenteers to assist in this truly sportsmanlike endeavor.

Ah, I can help here, especially for the Arabis Luniticus Rabidium (another subspecies, a little dangerous if they bite you, but real sport to catch).

Arabis Luniticus Rabidium usually travel in multiple small herds of about 10 to 15, a thousand yards or so apart. In their grunty language they call this 'infiltration'.

To catch such a herd, you need a group 12 hunters. The trick is to have a small, banked fire burning somewhere in their travel path. The hunters must wear a kippah, put aside their firearms, kneel around the fire, shoulder against shoulder, with their favorite knifes planted in the dirt between their knees. Then close your eyes, do not fall asleep, and wait.

Arabis Luniticus Rabidium will come to the fire, just like moths fly to a light. They will see it as an opportunity to kill their worse enemy --known as Yahoodis Smarticus Belligerentis-- and try to approach silently, i.e. a small stampede.

The hunters can then take their knifes and cut down the Arabis Luniticus Rabidium specimen nearest them.

This method has been used for years, and has always worked. It is sporting, too, because the Arabis Luniticus Rabidium have a chance, while sitting birds don't. Note that, if you allow any member of the herd to scream, other herds in hearing distance will turn around and run. Don't disturb the other hunters -- silence your Arabis Luniticus Rabidium at once.

Keeping the Arabis Luniticus Rabidiumears as trophies is considered bad taste. However, bronzing their balls makes for wonderful little earrings.

71 As a student I have no respect for students  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:48:54pm

Hi I am in college. Is there a way I my 'bigoted' self can resfuse a student government accociation fund? Like staple this evidence to a peice of paper and say: I don't support this! I want my money back!

72 gymnast  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:49:44pm

#70,Caton It appears that you are a sportsman in the truest sense whereas #68,rocky seeking sponsorship from warner brothers probably thinks that using a hood on a 57 buick is sporting. This is not a thread about counterprotester techniques Rocky. You would probably think its just fine to hunt ducks with a Quad 50. Have you ever tried to eat a duck after it has been hit by a 50 calibre? No, Boone and Crockett records require weighable and measurable evidence,not a pile of feathers or a piece of a protest sign and a story about the one that got away. This is serious stuff and I think it should be treated as such.

73 steve miller  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:57:01pm
74 Caton  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 2:57:35pm

#72 gymnast

Seriously, that's how the IDF 'hunted' the PLO infiltrations along the Jordan border from 1967 to Sept. 1970, then on the Lebanon border until 1982. Worked beautifully. But keeping ears and bronzing balls was not allowed.

75 GulGnu  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:03:16pm

"Is this press conference based on an article you have seen somewhere or just wishful thinking? "

I lifted it from a major media outlet - I think it was the NYT, but can't quite remember at the moment - I should have put a link in it...

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

76 Nahhh  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:12:00pm

Once we get Iraq stabilized, I think it's time to turn the guns on Saudi Arabia. F*ck Wahabism.

77 Minstrel  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:29:05pm

#28: Eh heh heh . . . no. Thanks, very flattered, but . . . no.

78 Tom  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 3:43:51pm
! It is us vs. them! Truth against falsehood!

Faheed certainly got that part right.

79 Pandora  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 4:21:58pm

#32

muslims believe that allah created the world and all lands belong to him. Since (they think) they are the only true believers, then all lands belong to them and it's their duty to conquere and rule them under shari'a law. They also believe that muslims were in America long before Columbus ever set sail -[Link: www.themodernreligion.com...] Any American reading of the testimonials on muslim web sites can easily tell that most of them are fakes, unless somehow converting to islam causes one to 'speak' English with an arabic accent . This particular one irritates me the most because of the attempt to rewrite American history and because the lies are so blatant.

80 Pandora  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 4:44:47pm

[Link: www.un.org...]

81 whitecollar redneck  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 5:23:09pm

All right Abul, Lets dance.

82 James Taranto is my lovechild  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 5:32:55pm

[Link: www.townhall.com...]


1) Attack the financial centers of the country. Using covert or black block techniques . . . physically shut down financial centers which regulate and assist the functioning of U.S. economy. This can be done in a variety of ways from massive property destruction, to online sabotage, to physical occupation of buildings.

2) Large scale urban rioting. With massive unrest and even state of emergencies declared in major cities across the country, the U.S. government will be forced to send U.S. troops into the domestic arena thereby taking resources and political focus away from the war.

3) Attack the media centers of the country. . . . Using any means necessary, shut down the national networks of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. Not just occupations but actually engage in strategies and tactics which knock the networks off the air.

83 James Taranto is my lovechild  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 5:38:19pm

#82 it's not just muslims but all leftists... we are in danger from stupidity and selfrighteous children

84 Frank IMC  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 7:31:48pm

#73 Steve Miller -

Check out #1173. ;)

85 Ben F  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:28:41pm

Christianity:

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

Judaism:

Dina de'malchuta dina (the law of the state is law).

Islam (according to some of its adherents):

The Sovereignty belongs to Allah, i.e., He is the Legislator. Nothing is legal but that which Allah has made legal (Halal) and nothing is illegal but that which Allah has made illegal (Haram).

Houston, we have a problem.

86 Joseph Hertzlinger  Sat, Mar 22, 2003 8:42:07pm

When you consider the silence of the Muslim street and the noisiness of the European street, maybe we should be more suspicious of European immigration than Muslim immigration.


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