Sick.

IDF, get your D-9's ready please

bomber who four American soldiers.

Forgot the word "killed".

Rachel Corrie would be proud

Oh, I'm so sick of their jingoistic nonsense; why don't we just put a big bomb in the centre of that square during the dedication and blow them all to Paradise?

There they go again. The Paleostinians never miss an opprotunity to miss an opprotunity.

Why can't Colin and Condoleeza understand that the Pals are sympathizing with our enemies - and now, actively supporting (Fatah, Hammas).

If Fatah is sending suicide bombers to fight U.S. troops, I think that is the same as, for example, Syria sending in troops or aid. Shouldn't the repercussions be the same? In other words, we warned Syria not to intervene, but where is the condemnation and warning to Arafat?

Arafat and the Pals are playing the same game that they play with Israel - officially, they will claim no knowledge or ability to control (these are supposedly private groups - so why should the Palestinian Authority be responsible), while operationally, Arafat privately encourages, funds or at the very least, turns a blind eye to.

Too bad we can't drop a MOAB on Ramallah.

I guess we can look on the bright side. If they seriously sent 400 or so of their lunatics, that is 400 lunatics who will soon be killed courtesy of the US Army and Marines

After reading this I have changed my stance on the war. It is unfair for us to fight an enemy so unbelievably stupid.

"Okay, now all you future suicide bombers all get together in the same place, and then tell the Americans where you are and what you plan to do..."

Pre-emptive defense is sounding really, really good right now.

Increasingly, I'm beginging to think that the current war in Iraq is the first post-Cold War era salvo in a fight for civilization.

Or is that just too obvious?

Classy. Next they'll have a street called French Car Battery Plaza.

any guesses on how long it will take the left to realize that the ones killing americans are the bad guys?

Camp residents proudly describe the camp, which is home to some 12,000 refugees, as the capital of suicide bombers.

A) That's sort of like saying the U.S. is home to some 280,000,000 refugees.

B) Wow. Calling the town the capital of suicide bombers is really going to pack in the Islamist tourist trade. Glad to see the local chamber of commerce is on the ball.

#8 Vast Jewish Conspiracy: Close. Afghanistan.
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This is a huge story. Man, I wish our "journalists" at MSNBC, CNN, Big Three, NYT, etc would do their jobs!!!! Not asking for any favors, just cover a factual, interesting and pertainent story! Let the Jordyptians scuttle all support in the US and discredit their sympathizers.

Once the "martyrs" get to their eternal paradise, after shtupping a few of the promised virgins, they'll probably be desperate for a woman who knows what she's doing.

#8 Vast Jewish Conspiracy

I'd say we are in a fight. And we've (all kafirs all over the world) been fighting against the Islamist hordes since the first spilled out of Arabia in the 7th century.

Camp residents proudly describe the camp, which is home to some 12,000 refugees, as the capital of suicide bombers.

I've a couple of suggestions for new names of the capital.

"Target"
"Bomb Crater"
"Mass Palestinian Gravesite"

Bongon247

Why is that shit hole called Jenin even still standing? Jenin, Qalqilya, Tulkarem aka the Triangle of Terror should all be destroyed stone by stone.

I said this before I knew the hero's name; while these folks don't deserve to be so graced, the center of Jenin should be re-renamed to Gil Koperman Square.

#10 darren

any guesses on how long it will take the left to realize that the ones killing americans are the bad guys?

How? What? How?

A very long time apparently. I used to think that the Republicans would break in two, Big Tent and Bigot Tent. Now I hope the Democratic party breaks into a (sensible, Mike Totten-like, Blairite Labour-ish) Liberal Party and a Sharia-is-Good-for-Womyn's-Rights Party, whose members I nominate to be the first astronauts on the sun.

#16, Joel --

Recall, there was a massacre at Jenin ...

... oh, wait -- no there wasn't.

this will get america on their side! yet another display of brilliance from a nation of retards

bin Diesel (19).
Sadly, it won't make a damned bit of difference. All problems will still be ascribed to Israeli intransigence.

This is the main reason why Saddam is, how can I say this.... DEAD.

Consider: This guy is so important that he

A) is promoted to Colonel, after he dies.
b) family is given a boat load of money in the process.
c) Pali's response today.
d) Aziz uses this as example for how the Iraqi's will fight from now on.

Yet we never see Saddam through this all? Where is he giving the field promotion? Where is he giving the money to the family? Where is he stating his solidarity with Pali's? Where is he saying what Aziz says?

This is the type of "time sensitive" thing that would say to the world that Saddam made it through the initial attack. Yet, where is he?

Rob.

Shouldn't someone try to get this on traditional-media VRWC outlets? With pictures if possible.

darren (#10): If they didn't realize it by 9/12, they never will.

"We hope there will be more suicide operations in the coming days."

The new Palestinian Authority is the same as the old Palestinian Authority.

The new "Prime Minister" Abu Mazen is a puppet of Arafat. He has no authority. He has no say over security. He has no say over negotiations.

Arafat's people name a square after a suicide bomber who killed Americans, and we rush to reward this behavior with this pre-mature "roadmap" that neglects to take into account reality.

There is a drive toward an arafatite terrorist state, that will be granted sovereignty and thereby enjoy the protection of France and the international community including the UN. It will be a safe haven for terrorists, Pali splodeydopes, Hizbollah terrorists and others supported by Iran, and al-Qaeda terrorists. Sovereignty will give it immunity from any active defense by Irael.

We need to ask ourselves whether this is good for the US to establish a sovereign terrorist state. Instead we are asking who is in favor of proceeding this way. It's the wrong question to ask.

Anyone seen t-shirts for kafirs?

#8 VJC,

I believe that more and more with each passing day. The savagery and bloodlust of the Arab world seems to know no bounds.

This notion of Muslims not siding with the "infidel" Saddam is clearly bullshit, so what binds them? I'll tell you, they hate JEWS and/or any free society that would defy them (sadly right now that is a small club, US, UK, Aus).

It is a rude awakening that the horrors I always thought would simply be stories from textbooks are being revisited on this generation. I am beginning to think that this is the start of a war to save humanity.

It is frightening and sad, but if it is to be, to quote a brave American faced with a perilous but clear decision....Let's Roll!

ve

It's not so much the term "refugees" I mind. It's the fact that nobody is ever told from where they came from to be refugees. Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lybia, Morrocco, etc., etc. No one in the press ever bothers to examine the immigration figures of Arabs into the Palestinian region.

When they can no long identify with their own countries I guess all that's left is to make one up.

Maybe they want to create a new officially recognized Terrorist State so that all the terrorists will go there.

And then after a few months of politely asking the new official Terrorist State to live up to its promises to stop terrorism, we can then declare them to be in default of that promise, officially apply the Bush Doctrine, declare hostilities, and blow them all up.

Far-fetched? Yes. Very.

But I still find this thought very consoling right now.

"refugee camp"? It is not. Not for the 2nd and 3rd generation of degenerates brought up there, unwilling to work, to build, to create, but able to hate, bomb, destroy. Shame on arabic/palestinian leaders! Shame on these people's culture! The more I think about current state of affairs, the more I realize that "clash of civilizations" (or clash of the civilization with barbarians) is already here, and it is going to accelerate in the future. With terrible consequences, of course, especially for them.

"We hope there will be more suicide operations in the coming days."

The Jenin refugee camp has been known as a hotbed for extremist Palestinian groups responsible for a numerous suicide attacks in Israel.

Camp residents proudly describe the camp, which is home to some 12,000 refugees, as the capital of suicide bombers.

These creatures are a joke.
They must be dealt with.
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President Bush meets FM Silvan Shalom in U.S., makes clear he is serious about advancing `road map` peace plan (Israel Radio)

Is it my imagination but does it seem the louder
the arab world screams and whines concerning Israel in
general, the poor mistreated palestinians and the big one being 'U.S. invading iraq because of Israel'........the
the louder the ROAD MAP talk?
Not to mention with 'all of the above,' the media bias increases ten fold. (as if the bias is not bad enough)
Some one help me with this.

No shrinks or smart assess need apply
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Enhanced Radiation Weapon not Neutron Bomb.

#30 spelaw:

Not only the louder the Arab screams about Israel, but the more they scream for the death of America.

Our foreign policy still operates under the fiction that the "Arab Street" must have their grievances met or they will kill us. Implicit in this view is that the Arab grievances are justified. The reasoning goes: The Arabs are angry at us for not being "evenhanded" toward the Palestinians [read - we show some support for Israel], if we prove to them that we do not care about Israel any more than we care about the Palestinians then they cannot hate us.

The more the Arabs kill, the more we think we must reach them with our message. We therefore send the message that the more they kill, the more we will offer them. Under this view, the Arabs are only capable of killing to express themselves, they are incapable of behving in a civilized manner. We must recognize this and meet their needs, so they do not kill. It is appeasement 101, and when it comes to this conflict, the US looks like France, with its Palestinian appeasement.

It is up to the Istaeli government to finally recognize that both aisles in Congress support them, the American people support them, and if they would just stand up for themselves, Bush would support them.

If Bush sells Sharon down the river on this "roadmap" look for the Likud to split and the right parties to threaten to leave the government. There will be major political upheaval. My only hope is that I generally believe that Sharon is smarter than this, and Bush is better than this, but it appears as if we are near Oslo II.

Both Powell and Rice had harsh words for Israel at the AIPAC Policy Conference this weekend, at the AIPAC conference laidies and gentleman.

That would be like Powell going to a CAIR meetings and condemning the Palestinians. The heat is on, and there has not been a peep from the Sharon government.

I pray that they know what they are doing, because it appears from my seat that they have made the fact of the roadmap and a Palestinian state by 2005 fait accompli, while the pro-Israel lobby remains in stunned silence.

the suicide bomber capital of the world?reminds me of
my home state ,louisiana,where a town called breaux
bridge proclaimed itself "the crawfish capital of the world". not to be outdone,a town called pierre part hailed itself as "the crawfish capital of the universe".

I'm in favor of the roadmap as long as it involves lots of paving. And getting things ready for that paving is going to require a lot of bulldozer work...

Once upon a time I thought differently, that time was 9/10/01. If either the IDF or US military targetted civilians there'd be a hell of a lot fewer civilians left. Ever wonder why there are no pictures of folks in America dancing and laughing at the deaths of civilians in the Middle East (well except for the peace protesters)? It's a cultural thing.

I used to believe "there has to be a peaceful solution". Now I realize I can't find any supporting evidence for that. It looks very much like a sizeable swath of the arab/islamic world wants a clash of civilizations. I really wish it didn't. I have 3 kids and all I wanted was to be left alone and have them grow up and have normal lives. But noooo... thanks to the Religion of Peace and its loudest exponents I get to live in Interesting Times. Yeah, guess I'm kinda bitter about it.

re: 23 EE

We need to ask ourselves whether this is good for the US to establish a sovereign terrorist state.

I'm not clear on the question here. Are you asking if it's a good idea for the US to create a terrorist state, or are you asking if this is the right way for the US to create a terrorist state? To the first, the answer is no. (Duh.) To the second, the answer is also no, but since that's not what the plan is intended to do, it's failure to do so is not a drawback and might even by seen by some as fortunate.

There is a drive toward an arafatite terrorist state, that will be granted sovereignty ... Sovereignty will give it immunity from any active defense by [Israel].

Perjoratives aside, yes of course there's a drive for a sovereign there. That's the way the world works. World power is exercised through sovereigns who are held accountable for their subjects by the international community. There is no real legal mechanism for state sovereigns to interact with non-citizen, non-resident (including stateless) individuals that are not sovereigns. There has to be a sovereign to hold authority and be held accountable. If Israel doesn't want to step up to the single state solution and provide the sovereign themselves, then a second state must be created so that international power can be applied through a sovereign. And yes, hopefully, that would stop "active defense" (nice euphemism) by making both more costly (politically) and less necessary.

The world is trying to come up with a long term solution equitable (or at least agreeable) to all. The best way to do that is to use the proper tools. In this case, that means a sovereign over all of pre '48 Palestine, either including or abutting Israel.

#18 Vast Jewish Conspiracy
The British press, Independent, Guardian, etc. still thinks that a massacre took place in Jenin.

Thanks J Lichty,
I agree with you across the board.
I wish I wasn't so negative on this but I am terrified.
The whole world has gone crazy.

I pray that they know what they are doing, because it appears from my seat that they have made the fact of the roadmap and a Palestinian state by 2005 fait accompli, while the pro-Israel lobby remains in stunned silence.

I pray too. I was supposed to be at that meeting
and I'm glad now I was unable to go. In the next
few days I plan on talking to some people who are there.
The only thing left to say concerning the 'stunned silence' at AIPAC and in Israel is that it is short lived.
Thanks again.

#32 & #37

Powell and Rice laid it on the line at AIPAC that the Roadmap is going forward because it is in the vital national interest of the US and UK. Plus, Blair has warned Bush...in comments echoed by Putin, Aznar, Powell, and King Abdullah...that diplomatic reapprochement and "turning" the Arab mindset is impossible while the US is seen to be bought off by Israel and it's overseas lobbies....and that the Palestinian occupation must soon come to an end or the US will even lose the UK as an ally.

And, in his AIPAC talk that there would be no more negotiations, no more eternal Jewish or Arab haggling to stall things or sabotage the whole package by diversion to fully resolving an item of minutia before proceeding.

That the Settlement colonies must stop. That 2005 is when it's finished...not started, and that parties will get together within months.

You may argue that the Israeli colonist's rights and the dream of Zionist Expansion trump America's vital interests....Lichty....but both bodies of Congress do not support Israel over America's interests...and NO amount of money from AIPAC will change that. Several leading Jews in Congress have come out for implementing the Road Map, including Lieberman. And the only true blue believers in "whatever Israel wants - give it to Her" are unreconstructed Zionists like Lantos and the Republican Religious nutcases like DeLay...who believe that our past Israel policies help hasten the End of the World, Bringing on the Day of the Rapture....when all those Personally Saved by Jesus are brought up physically to the Lord.

Not exactly an overwhelming Force. Jews are split on this, the Bible Fundamentalists are off-putting to many Americans and in the end they will do what Hastert, Bush, and Frist say to do.

2-State is coming, you Greater Israel pushing LGF'rs!

Instead of dreaming that that can be blocked by the domestic Jewish lobbies here....who run the risk of being seen as caring more for Colonies and West Bank real estate investments outstanding than US interests.....expend your energy on what is doable.....

1. Ensuring that land penalties for terrorist conduct or military attack are made formal provisions in the treaty.

2. Ensuring that international monitors are utilized...and those monitors are from nations not pro Arab-biased.

3. That some international aid is part of the pact to offset Israeli housing losses...but avoid the chutzpah of asking the US to make good on the full value of lost real estate. After all, Israel has just about come to the end of the road in obtaining US taxpayer dollars....after 135 billion plus an expensive war fought partially for Israel's benefit...our generosity is just about tapped.

I think part of the problem is that most of the people that are against the roadmap/two-state solution don't seem to offer any other solution to the public. So think about it from the American (or British, or Japenese, whatever) perspective. We've got a violent shitstorm. Prominent leaders have one and only one possible solution. What else are the people to do but grasp at it?

Obviously the average American doesn't know the ins and outs of the situation, but they would like to have it settled. And the clock's ticking.

#38 Ranbutan—

Yes, the roadmap is coming, the roadmap is coming.

One of the very first steps in the roadmap, on the Palestinian side, is ending incitement.

So why don't you let us all know when the Palestinian Authority demotes the Jihadi clerics that now dominate the airwaves, and stops naming squares, streets, and soccer tournaments after terrorists, and ends the blood libels about torturers at border crossings, deliberate targetting of peaceful civilians by Israeli troops, murder by bulldozer, et cetera.

Let us know when the Palestinian Authority leadership starts to teach its people to embrace peace. When it starts to teach them that Palestine is holy because it is both a Jewish and and Arab homeland. When it starts to tell them that the Land of Palestine can only be liberated by Arabs and Jews working together. When it tells them that Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs, in partnership, can make the entire land a land flowing with milk and honey.

What's that, you say? Oh, yeah, the Palestinian Arab leaders still aren't saying any of those things. They're still bitching about settlements, just like you.

Never mind.

Arab bomb-making lab found inside Israel

Israel's security service, Shin Bet, says it has arrested three Israeli Arabs after the discovery of an explosives laboratory - the first to be found inside Israel.